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[1.Commissioners Meeting Convenes]
WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 10TH, 2023 CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING.THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE RISE.
THIS DAY, PARTICULARLY, WE PRAY FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE ADMINISTRATORS OF OUR COUNTY, THAT, OH LORD, YOU WOULD GIVE THEM EVERY MANNER OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO FULFILL YOUR WILL AS A DELIBERATE AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR US.
BLESS THEM. THIS DAY WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS HERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? NO. OKAY.
[3. Discussion of a Grant Pilot Program for Problem Solving Court]
SOLVING COURT. GOOD MORNING.GOOD MORNING. HOW IS EVERYONE? GOOD MORNING. GOOD. HOW ABOUT YOU? EVERYTHING LOOKS SO DIFFERENT.
SHOULD I SIT? THERE'S NO PODIUM.
ALL RIGHT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME TO SPEAK TO YOU.
PRESIDENT BREEDING, COMMISSIONERS.
PORTER BARTZ, COUNTY ATTORNEY.
CONGRATULATIONS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND, JEN, I SHOULD TURN AROUND AND SAY HI TO ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, [CHUCKLING] BUT WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY, AND I WOULD JUST. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE FOR THIS, BUT WE COULD START WITH JUST A REALLY QUICK, QUICK DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT IS.
CERTAINLY, YES, I'D LIKE A LITTLE EDUCATION ON THAT.
YEAH. THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE IN CAROLINE COUNTY, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN AS IT IS TODAY, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT TO YOU. IN GENERAL, THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS IN MARYLAND THERE ARE AT LEAST 1 IN 23 OUT OF THE 24 COUNTIES, AND IT COULD BE EITHER A VETERANS COURT OR AN ADULT DRUG COURT OR SOME OTHER FAMILIAR ENTITY, BUT IT'S REALLY ALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS.
SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM TREATMENT COURTS, WHICH REALLY WHAT THEY ARE TREATMENT COURTS, BUT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE CRIMES THAT ARE COMMITTED AND THEY'RE PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS, WHICH IS THE TERM WE USE INSTEAD OF ADDICTIONS THESE DAYS, BUT THEY'RE ADDICTS AND THEY HAVE CRIMES, MOSTLY NONVIOLENT CRIMES, THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, AND I THINK I'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, BUT IF YOU HAVE CRIME AND AN ADDICTION, USUALLY IT AFFECTS FIRST RESPONDERS, IT AFFECTS EMS, POLICE IT AFFECTS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH PEOPLE ARE LIVING, IT AFFECTS THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE LIKE PEOPLE THAT ARE ROGUE AND VAGABOND OFFENDERS AND OR OTHER TYPES OF PETTY THEFT, BUT IT ALSO AFFECTS THEIR FAMILIES. IT AFFECTS THE CHILDREN'S AND THE CHILDREN'S THAT GO TO SCHOOL, AND THEY HAVE THERE'S JUST LAYERS AND LAYERS OF PROBLEMS DRIVEN BY THIS, AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE NOT
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NEW TO THIS DISCUSSION.YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
I KNOW. SO THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT IS A TEAM APPROACH, AND IT INVOLVES NOT JUST THE COURT, BUT IT INVOLVES EVERYBODY IN THIS FRONT ROW BEHIND YOU, AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO JUST INTRODUCE THEMSELVES QUICKLY AND TELL YOU WHAT ROLE THEY PLAY IN THE COURT, JUST WHAT DEPARTMENT THEY'RE FROM, AND SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS TEAM IS MADE OF.
CERTAINLY. SO LET'S START WITH MICHELLE.
SHE'S IN THE SECOND ROW, ACTUALLY, BUT SHE IS OUR PROBLEM SOLVING COURT COORDINATOR.
GOOD MORNING. OBVIOUSLY, SLOAN FRANKLIN, STATE'S ATTORNEY MARY [INAUDIBLE], FORENSIC MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST WITH [INAUDIBLE] BEHAVIORAL HEALTH [INAUDIBLE] YVONNE PINTER, PAROLE AND PROBATION.
ALICIA SALISBURY, FORENSIC MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM MANAGER [INAUDIBLE] BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
DANA BOSTON AND STEPHANIE [INAUDIBLE] ARE USUALLY THE ONES PARTICIPATING THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE TEAM.
DEPUTY [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE AT EVERY MEETING, AND WE ALSO HAVE DEPUTY WARDEN LUKE DIXON WHO COMES OVER AND WILL SIT IN ON THE TEAM, AND IF HE'S NOT THERE, THEN LIEUTENANT MOORE WILL SIT IN, HAVE I REMEMBERED EVERYBODY? KEN TURNER, PAROLE COMMUNITY SUPERVISION.
HE'S ON OUR TEAM NOW AND HE COMES TO EVERY MEETING, AND HAVING EVERYBODY TOGETHER LIKE THIS LETS US KNOW AS A GROUP COLLECTIVELY, A, ARE WE GOING TO ACCEPT SOMEONE INTO THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT? THAT'S A TEAM DECISION, AND, B, ARE WE HEARING EVERYTHING WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL? AND SO DETECTIVE [INAUDIBLE] CAN PUT HIS FEELERS OUT AND HEAR THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL AND LUKE DIXON, DEPUTY WARDEN, HE CAN TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON OVER IN CORRECTIONS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, AND IT JUST GOES ON AND ON LIKE THAT.
IT TAKES ITS POST CONVICTION POST SENTENCING PART OF YOUR PROBATION.
YOU HAVE TO SUCCESSFULLY ENROLL IN AND COMPLETE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT, WHICH IS NO EASY TASK.
IT TAKES AT LEAST A YEAR, OFTENTIMES LONGER, AND IT INVOLVES A MULTIDISCIPLINARY APPROACH.
SO IT'S NOT JUST TREATMENT FOR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER.
IT'S REQUIRED MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT, AND IT'S ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS.
PEOPLE COME IN AND OFTENTIMES THEY'RE IN THE THROES OF ADDICTION.
SO JUST GETTING THEM THERE IS A BIG DEAL, BUT THEN THEY USUALLY START AT A HIGH RISK NEED.
THEY START WITH RESIDENTIAL INPATIENT AND THEY CAN STAY THERE FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.
USUALLY IT'S A SMALLER COMMITMENT OF TIME, 90 DAYS, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS.
IT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES, BUT OUR PROBLEM SOLVING COURT I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS FOREVER.
I THINK YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION UP THERE.
IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURTS, AND IT SAVES MONEY IN THE LONG RUN TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT A QUESTION AND SEEING PEOPLE THAT GO ON AND HAVE JOBS AND REUNITE WITH FAMILIES, MOTHERS THAT HAVEN'T SEEN CHILDREN IN YEARS, IT'S A REALLY AMAZING PROGRAM TO BE A PART OF.
SO IN ADDITION TO MY REGULAR JUDICIAL HAT WHERE I'M JUST SENDING OFFENDERS TO JAIL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED AND IS INDICATED, THIS IS ANOTHER PART OF THE JOB THAT WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO AND IT'S AN AMAZING TEAM TO HAVE TOGETHER, ALL COMMITTED TO THE SAME GOAL, AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, BUT WE'VE NEVER BEEN NATIONALLY CERTIFIED.
SO THIS WHOLE TEAM SPENT A WEEK BEING CERTIFIED BY THE FEDERAL BRANCH OF NATIONAL PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS THAT ACCREDITED THE NATIONAL THE STATE BRANCH THAT WE GET OUR MARCHING FROM AND OUR GUIDANCE.
SO THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND THAT MAKES US NOW ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING.
SO WE ARE FOLLOWING ALL THE BEST PRACTICES THAT EXIST NATIONALLY TO THE STATE TO HERE.
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REALLY, FROM THAT DAY THEY WANT 50 DAYS AND INTO THE PROBLEM SOLVING GROUP IF THEY'RE HIGH RISK AND HIGH NEED AND ELIGIBLE, 50 DAYS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT COLLECTIVELY I KNOW YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS COUNTY AND HOW IT WORKS, BUT THAT IS A PROBLEM, EVERY PROBLEM SOLVING COURT IS HAVING TO MEET.SO THIS GRANT IS DESIGNED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
YES, AND WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WHERE THERE'S INTERCEPTS OR OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK TO PEOPLE RIGHT WHEN THEY GET INTO THE SYSTEM, AND WE HAVE DESIGNED A PROGRAM AND IT WAS A COMPETITIVE GRANT PROCESS.
ONLY FOUR JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND WERE GRANTED THE GIVEN THE GRANT, AND WE WERE ONE OF THEM, AND I'M JUST SO PROUD OF EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THIS TEAM, AND I JUST THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR THIS COUNTY AS WELL AS FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM.
IT'S TOUGH, AND WE WELCOME YOU ANYBODY TO BE A PART OF OUR GRADUATION CEREMONIES WHEN WE HAVE THEM.
THREE GOALS, AND SHE'S WORKED SO HARD ON PUTTING THIS GRANT TOGETHER THAT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHINE A LITTLE BIT HERE THIS MORNING, AND ANYBODY HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL, WE CAN ALL TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT OUR ROLES ARE AND WHY WE'RE HERE BUT WE REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE A SUBRECIPIENT.
WE THOUGHT IT WENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO THE STATE AND THEN TO US.
I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHY IT'S KIND OF APPROACHED DIFFERENTLY.
ALL RIGHT. MICHELLE [INAUDIBLE], GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. [INAUDIBLE].
THE STATE OF MARYLAND DID RECEIVE A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF JUSTICE ASSISTANCE.
AS JUDGE PRICE SAID INITIALLY, THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SIX JURISDICTIONS SELECTED FOR THIS GRANT.
HOWEVER, ONLY FOUR WERE SELECTED AND FORTUNATELY WE WERE ONE OF THEM, AND IT WAS TO IMPLEMENT A UNIVERSAL RISK SCREENING PILOT PROGRAM TO IMPLEMENT THE RISK SCREENING TOOL THAT IS UTILIZED TO IDENTIFY OUR TARGET POPULATION, WHICH ARE HIGH RISK, HIGH NEED INDIVIDUALS, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PILOT PROGRAM IS TO INCREASE THE DIVERSITY, EXPAND THE PROGRAM, DECREASE THE TIME FROM THE TIME OF WHEN A PERSON IS CHARGED TO WHEN THEY ARE ADMITTED INTO THE PROGRAM AND OF COURSE, CONNECT INDIVIDUALS TO COMMUNITY RESOURCES SOONER.
THERE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN $700,000 TO BE SPLIT BETWEEN THE JURISDICTIONS AND WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE AWARDED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN $200,000 FOR THIS TWO YEAR PILOT PROGRAM.
SO THIS WAS JUST PERFECT TIMING FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS TO MAKE CONNECTIONS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT IN THIS JUST KIND OF PROPELLED THE MOMENTUM WITH IMPLEMENTING THIS, AND LIKE I SAID, IT IS A TWO YEAR GRANT AND WE HAVE ALREADY KIND OF THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER TWO YEARS? AND I SUBMIT A GRANT EVERY YEAR IN THE SPRINGTIME, AND IF IT'S DECIDED THAT THE FEDS ARE NOT GOING TO BE CONTINUING THIS GRANT MOVING FORWARD AFTER THE TWO YEAR, I WILL BE INCORPORATING IT INTO MY ANNUAL GRANT, AND IF IT DOES PROVE SUCCESSFUL, I HAVE VERY LITTLE DOUBT THAT DIRECTOR BARTON WOULD NOT AWARD CONTINUING THIS GRANT, ESPECIALLY AS JUDGE PRICE SAID IT'S BEST PRACTICES AND DIRECTOR BARTON CAN'T ARGUE WITH COMPLYING WITH BEST PRACTICES.
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89% AT THIS TIME AND WE STILL HAVE A LOT ON OUR TO DO LIST TO MAKE MORE IMPROVEMENTS.I THINK WITHIN THE YEAR WE STARTED WHEN WE STARTED, WHEN WE ALL CONVENED, IT WAS AT 60%.
SO THAT CAN GIVE YOU 60 SOMETHING PERCENT.
GOOD. SHOOT FOR 100, [CHUCKLING] AND I DID WANT TO PROVIDE THESE DOCUMENTS TO YOU.
THE OFFICE OF PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS IN ANNAPOLIS.
THEY DID HAVE A STUDY CONDUCTED WITH THE STATE PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS AND THIS SUMMARIZES AND SHOWS THE BENEFICIAL COSTS AND THE REDUCTION IN RECIDIVISM THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STATE OF MARYLAND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE? COMMISSIONER PORTER? ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU, JUDGE.
IS THIS 200,000 A YEAR FOR TWO YEARS OR 200,000 OVER TWO YEARS.
SO THIS IS 206,000 FOR THE TWO YEAR PROGRAM, AND I DO HAVE A PRINTOUT OF THE YEAR ONE AND THE YEAR TWO BUDGET, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT.
OKAY. WITH THE BREAKDOWN FOR THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
WHAT IS YOUR CASELOAD? I MEAN ANNUALLY OR MONTHLY OR HOWEVER WHAT IT'S EASIER TO GET.
I MEAN, HOW MANY CASES ARE YOU HEARING? SO AT THIS TIME WE HAVE SEVEN PARTICIPANTS.
SEVEN I'VE BEEN TO I THINK I'VE BEEN TO A GRADUATION.
I WENT WITH YOU, I THINK, AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMPLIANCE AND JUDGE PRICE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
YOU HAVE SAID IT IN ENOUGH OF THESE MEETINGS, COMPLIANCE WISE, ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMPLIANCE REPORTS OR MAKING SURE THE MONEY IS SPENT PROPERLY, OR DOES THAT COME THROUGH YOU? SO I COMPLETE QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORTS WHERE I SEND MY REPORTS TO DANNY'S OFFICE FOR FINANCIAL REIMBURSEMENTS, AND THEN I ALSO COMPLETE QUARTERLY STATISTICAL REPORTS THAT IS FORWARDED TO THE OFFICE OF PROBLEM-SOLVING COURT, AND THAT FULFILLS THE COMPLIANCE PART OF THIS.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SUPPLYING THAT INFORMATION TO DANNY.
OKAY. MICHELLE, STACY AND MY OFFICE TO COORDINATE THAT.
WE GET A COPY, THEY GET A COPY, AND THEN I HAVE TO SIGN OFF AT THE END OF THE QUARTER.
OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE DO HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT IS ALLOTTED TO BE IN THE PROGRAM BY THE STATE, BUT THAT CAN INCREASE.
THOSE NUMBERS WILL INCREASE, I'M SURE, WITH THIS PROGRAM.
IT COULD BE SO WITH A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR, AND OF COURSE, THAT'S DEPENDENT UPON EACH INDIVIDUAL'S PROGRESS BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS A 12 YEAR FOUR PHASES AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE BEFORE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHETHER IT BE A NUMBER OF SOBRIETY DAYS COMPLIANCE WITH TREATMENT, AND EACH PHASE DOES HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO REMAIN IN THAT PHASE BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE ON.
OKAY. SO LIKE LAST YEAR, HOW MANY TOTAL PEOPLE WENT THE WHOLE LAST YEAR? JUST ROUGHLY BUT WE'RE STILL SORT OF IN THE LAST YEARS RIGHT NOW.
SO IN A ONE YEAR CYCLE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DID YOU THINK LIKE, IF YOU CAN GO BACK, SAY TEN OR LESS.
OKAY. YEAH, AND THEN 1 OR 2 WILL GRADUATE AND WHILE THE OTHERS ARE STILL GOING THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A CLASS WHERE YOU GET TEN THIS YEAR AND THEN TEN THE NEXT YEAR.
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NO. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S JUST GREAT.YOU GOT TO HAVE DATA, DATA, DATA, DATA, AND THE 89% I LIKE THAT.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE REVAMPED OUR PROGRAM THIS PAST YEAR AND A HALF, AND IT'S ONE IT'S JUST ME IN THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT. I'M DOING ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS AS WELL AS THE CASE MANAGEMENT.
AS THE PROGRAM GROWS, WE WILL BE PURSUING CASE MANAGEMENT TO ASSIST ME.
DID YOU SAY 12 YEARS TO GRADUATE OR 12 MONTHS? 12 MONTHS. OH, OKAY.
IT MAY FEEL LIKE 12 YEARS. [CHUCKLING] I WAS TRYING TO THINK WHEN WOULD THE GRADUATION BE IN THAT CYCLE? [CHUCKLING] OKAY. SORRY.
THAT'S OKAY. IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THANK YOU. HOW MANY OF THOSE PARTICIPANTS ARE CURRENTLY INCARCERATED? ARE ANY? SANCTIONS FOR INCARCERATION, FLASH INCARCERATION, OR FOR A LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME? OKAY. ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT OFTEN BECAUSE TIME IS EASIER THAN MENTAL HEALTH AND TREATMENT.
SO WE TEND NOT TO INCARCERATE UNLESS IT'S THE TEAM'S RECOMMENDATION AND IT FITS WHATEVER OFFENSE THAT THEY ENGAGED IN. IF THEY COMMIT A NEW CRIME, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S INCARCERATION.
OKAY. SO THIS IS A DIVERSION? IT IS A DIVERSION.
HOWEVER, IF YOU FAIL TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT, THE TEAM WILL RECOMMEND TO ME AND I TAKE THE TEAM'S RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE AND THE INDIVIDUAL UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE NOT ONLY THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT JUDGE, BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO BE A SENTENCING JUDGE IF THEY'RE TERMINATED FROM PROBLEM SOLVING COURT AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THEIR FULL BACKUP TIME THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
SO OUR PARTICIPANTS RIGHT NOW, I THINK FIVE YEARS, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE MAXIMUM.
SO AND OFTENTIMES YOU REALLY DO SEE THE LIGHT BULB GO ON WHEN THEY'RE ENGAGED IN THIS AND THEY GET REUNITED WITH FAMILY AND IT'S PRETTY AMAZING TO WATCH, BUT IT BENEFITS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE WE ARE IN VERY PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER, AND I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF THAT WOULD PRESENT ANY CHALLENGES FOR THIS PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD IF WE DO SEE THAT REGIONAL FACILITY THROUGH TO FRUITION, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A DIVERSIONARY REHABILITATION AS OPPOSED TO INCARCERATION STRATEGY.
OKAY. OKAY, BUT THEY STILL HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY.
RIGHT. WE DO HAVE THE GRADUATED SANCTIONS WHERE WE TRY TO START OFF WITH LEAST RESTRICTIVE, AND AS THE NONCOMPLIANCE CONTINUES, WE WOULD USE USUALLY A JAIL SANCTION AS A LAST RESORT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD HAVE ANY DETRIMENTAL EFFECT.
OKAY. I DO THINK THAT HAVING DIXON AND MOORE ON THE TEAM ALLOWS US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON, WHAT'S BEING SAID BY THE INDIVIDUAL WHEN THEY'RE AT CORRECTIONS, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL TO [INAUDIBLE] ANY MISLEADING STATEMENTS [INAUDIBLE].
SO IT'S HELPFUL, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REAL INTERPLAY BETWEEN IS UNDERSTANDING THAT DYNAMIC.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO. ALL RIGHT.
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND EDUCATING US ON THE PROGRAM.
DID YOU WANT A COPY OF THE BUDGET? SURE. YOU HAVE IT.
THANK YOU. YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ANY OF US ON THE TEAM AT ANY TIME.
[4. Introduction of New Employees, Department of Public Works]
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COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING.GOOD MORNING. SORRY I [INAUDIBLE].
SO THESE ARE ALL BRAND `NEW STAFF THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PICK UP AND GOOD ADDITIONS TO THE COUNTY.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT EXACTLY HALF OF THE GROUP.
SO EVERYBODY WE HAVE IS ONE HALF IS LESS THAN ONE YEAR SERVICE WITH THE COUNTY.
LET'S HOPE WE DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF SNOW THIS YEAR.
SEPTEMBER 18TH. HE STARTED MASON SMITH STARTED IN JANUARY 4TH OF THIS YEAR.
JAMES MCKENNA STARTED IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
BRAD WESTBROOK EXCUSE ME, STARTED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
FRANK BROWN STARTED IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
THEN WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] SHARPE AND CRAIG THOMAS WHO HAVE JUST STARTED ON JUNE 27TH.
GOOD. WHEN DID RAY START? [CHUCKLING] I'M GETTING OLD. GETTING DIFFERENT? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T RECOGNIZE ME ANYMORE.
SO JUST FOR A LITTLE GUIDANCE ON THAT.
THE SHOP AND RAY ALSO HAS TWO OPENINGS FOR MECHANICS AND RAY.
HE'S GOT ABOUT SIX YEARS OF AUTOMOTIVE EXPERIENCE.
VERY HANDY. HE'S VERY BECOMING A VERY VALUABLE ASSET TO THE SHOP GOOD AND LOYAL EMPLOYEES FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT UP TO 500 PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP UP WITH, AND AT TIMES IT'S TWO MECHANICS AND WE'RE INCREASING.
OKAY, GOOD. BEEN HERE ABOUT 60 DAYS.
THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] WELL, THANK YOU, GUYS, AND WE SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME UP HERE TALKING ABOUT ROADS AND MONEY FOR ROADS AND SO ON.
SO YOU'RE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS? PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST INTEGRAL PARTS OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE EVERYBODY DRIVES AND EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR ROADS TO BE DONE PROPERLY AND THEY WANT THE EQUIPMENT TO OPERATE PROPERLY.
SO THANK YOU. WE DON'T SAY IT ENOUGH, BUT WE SHOULD WE SHOULD SAY IT EVERY DAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, ALL OF YOU.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO CAROLINE COUNTY AND TO REITERATE WHAT MR. PORTER SAYS, ALONG WITH THE MOST VITAL PART.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE MOST COMPLAINTS.
SO JUST THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH THAT.
THE SERVICE THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDE TO THE CITIZENS OF CAROLINE COUNTY IS INTEGRAL.
I MEAN, IT'S EVERYBODY SEES THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT, THAT DEPARTMENT THAT YOU GUYS WORK IN IS FELT AND SEEN BY EVERY RESIDENT IN THE COUNTY, AND THE DEPARTMENT'S BEEN SHORT STAFFED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
THERE'S A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO WITH MOWING.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE OUT ON THE ROADS.
YOU SEE THE LIMBS AND KEEPING CAUGHT UP WITH THAT STUFF, THE POTHOLES AND ALL THAT.
SO IF I CAN JUST TAKE ONE SECOND.
SINCE THEY'RE HERE, KIND OF INTRODUCE THEM TO THE STAFF HERE.
YEAH, SURE. SO THEY KNOW WHO EVERYBODY IS.
YEAH, EVERYBODY. THIS IS MR. STEWART BARROLL. HE IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
MISS KATHELEEN FREEMAN IS OUR NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
MR. LARRY PORTER IS OUR VICE PRESIDENT ON THE BOARD.
MR. TRAVIS BREEDING IS PRESIDENT AND FRANK BARTZ IS THE OTHER COMMISSIONER ON THE BOARD, JEN FARINA.
SHE DOES ALL OF OUR PUBLIC RELATIONS.
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IN THE BACK HERE IS DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, NOW, DANNY FOX, DEBBIE BOWDEN.SHE IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
JAMIE BEECHEY IS OUR DIRECTOR FOR PUBLIC WORKS FOR [INAUDIBLE] WITH PLANNING COACH.
SO THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE TEAM THAT WE DEAL WITH EVERY DAY AND PART OF TEAM FOR CAROLINE COUNTY.
SO REMEMBER THE FACES IF YOU CAN [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. SO AND I THINK THE YOUNG LADY HERE WILL TAKE US OUT FRONT AND GET A PICTURE.
YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO GET A PICTURE? [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S GOOD.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANKS, GUYS. ARE WE GOING OUT FOR A PICTURE? JUST ME AND YOUR TEAM.
THANKS. SO THAT WAS QUITE A JOB.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU GO AWAY FOR A LITTLE WHILE, YOU GET A NEW JOB.
OH, YEAH. OKAY, AND DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? NO, THAT'S FINE. JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.
HELLO, EVERYONE. WE'RE STILL HERE.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.
[5. Introduction of New County Employee County Commissioners Office]
ASSISTANT IN THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE.CINDY STARTED WITH US, I BELIEVE LAST WEEK WAS HER FIRST FULL WEEK IN THE OFFICE, AND I JUST CANNOT EXPRESS HOW MUCH OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT SHE HAS MADE ON THE OFFICE AND JUST ME PERSONALLY.
IT HAS BEEN. SHE HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT HELP TO GET US MOVING MORE EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY IN THE OFFICE AND ORGANIZING, AND I HOPE THAT SHE STAYS PERMANENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I DO LIKE TO ORGANIZE AND CLEAN AND GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE.
GOOD. I THINK THE TERM THAT SOMEONE USED BEFORE YOU WAS HERDING CATS.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT THEY SAID THIS JOB WAS LIKE, BUT ARE WE THE CATS? [INAUDIBLE] THERE WILL NEVER BE A DULL DAY, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, AND BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU, AND BELIEVE ME, YOU WILL GET TIRED OF SEEING US, BUT THANK YOU.
BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAY, HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK DO YOU SPEND? AND IT'S MORE THAN PEOPLE REALIZE, BUT THE ORGANIZATION PART OF IT, THE CALENDAR, THE SCHEDULING KNOWING LITERALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CALENDAR WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE, THAT'S A TOUGH PART FOR US BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE OTHER THINGS WE DO, AND WHEN I CAME IN THIS MORNING, I WAS GOING TO GO I WAS GOING TO SAY, CINDY, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THIS LIST OF PLACES WE'RE GOING TO GO, AND WHEN I CAME IN, IT WAS ALREADY HERE, AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S RIGHT.
GOOD. SO IT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER TO DO.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
CINDY, JUST WE DO HAVE A LOT GOING ON, AND LIKE MR. COMMISSIONER PORTER SAYS, IT'S I'M ALWAYS AMAZED WHEN I GET THESE NOTIFICATIONS THAT COME THROUGH DO THIS, DO THAT OR BE HERE, BE THERE.
I THINK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS COVERED IT.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON THE CHALLENGE.
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN HOW MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON AND INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE.
WERE CHASING DOWN, SO YOUR ASSISTANCE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
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CONGRATULATIONS AND THANKS SO ALL RIGHT.YEAH, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
NO. OKAY I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
[6.Discussion of “Friends Group” Nonprofit for Parks Programs]
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GOOD MORNING, JAMIE. THANK YOU.THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING.
FOR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, IN 2016, DIRECTOR SIMMONS WAS APPROACHED FROM A LOCAL FOUNDATION FAMILY ABOUT WANTING TO SUPPORT RECREATION AND PARKS THROUGH STOCK PROCEEDS.
ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS, OF COURSE, IS WE AREN'T ABLE TO ACCEPT THOSE TYPES OF OF GIVINGS WITH THE TAX IMPLICATIONS. SO I GUESS IT WAS DECIDED AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO WORK WITH CHESAPEAKE CHARITIES TO OPEN A FUND SPECIFIC FOR RECREATION AND PARKS, NAMELY TO SUPPORT WHAT WE WHAT WE HAVE USED IT FOR, NAMELY TO SUPPORT SCHOLARSHIPS, OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRANSPORTATION, FOR PEOPLE WHO WHO HAVE THAT ISSUE IN TERMS OF OUR CAMPS AND OUR AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM.
I THINK I PRESENTED THE SHEET.
IT IS NOW UP TO ABOUT $47,000 IN CHESAPEAKE CHARITIES.
I MET WITH STEWART AND WITH DANNY EARLIER THIS YEAR.
THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH RECEIVING SOME OF THE MONIES THAT WE HAD REQUESTED, AND I WAS A LITTLE MIFFED IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY PERCEIVED AS OUR USE OF FUNDS AND WHAT THE DOCUMENT ACTUALLY SAYS IS USE OF FUNDS.
WE TALKED THROUGH SOME OPTIONS AND ACTUALLY STEWART HAD RECOMMENDED MAYBE LOOKING INTO A FRIENDS GROUP A NONPROFIT SPECIFIC FOR PARKS AND RECREATIONS WHERE WE COULD GO AFTER DONATIONS, WE COULD GO AFTER SPONSORSHIPS, WE COULD GO AFTER ENDOWMENT SITUATIONS THAT WOULD PRESENT THAT TAX DEDUCTION FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THOSE THINGS.
PRESENTED IT TO OUR ADVISORY BOARD IN MAY.
THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND SEE WHAT KIND OF APPETITE THERE WAS FOR THAT ESTABLISHMENT, WHETHER IT WHETHER IT BE THE TRANSITION OF THE CURRENT ADVISORY BOARD INTO THAT FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBLE BOARD, WHETHER IT BE A SEPARATE GROUP.
SO IT WAS REALLY JUST A MATTER OF COMING TO YOU AND SEEING WHAT KIND OF APPETITE.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY RECREATION PARKS IS THAT SPECIAL ANIMAL WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO GIVE US MONEY, BUT THEY ALSO WANT THAT BENEFIT AND BEING ABLE TO DO SO, AND WE'VE HAD SORT OF A DIFFICULT TIME.
ONE OF THE THINGS WITH CHESAPEAKE CHARITIES, OF COURSE, IS THE FUND DOESN'T GROW.
SO IT'S WHAT WE'VE PUT INTO IT IS WHAT WE GET BACK OUT OF IT.
I DON'T FORESEE THE GROUP THAT IS GIVING US THE STOCK PROCEEDS TO STOP DOING SO, AND THEN WE HAVE TAKEN THE SAINT PATTY'S DAY RACE, TAKING THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS AND PUT THEM DIRECTLY FOR SCHOLARSHIPS INTO THIS ACCOUNT, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO MEET WITH RESISTANCE IN PULLING THOSE FUNDS OUT, AND I WANT TO SEE US BE ABLE TO GROW GROW THOSE FUNDS FOR USE IN PROGRAMMING AND IN PARKS THERE MAY BE THAT BENEFACTOR THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE SITUATION WITH JOHN [INAUDIBLE], WHO WANTED TO DONATE THE MONEY FOR THE PAVILION, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO GET A TAX BENEFIT TAX CREDIT OUT OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO BEING ABLE TO FIND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES IN A NON PROFIT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
RIGHT. OKAY, JAMIE, THE ORGANIZATION THAT I'M THE MOST FAMILIAR WITH IS FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, AND I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY HAVE AN ENDOWMENT UNDER THERE'S ONE PARTICULARLY LARGE ENDOWMENT, BUT IT SPECIFIES WHAT THE MONEY CAN BE SPENT FOR. YEP. I GUESS THIS WOULD BE.
I GUESS WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO SET UP SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE DONOR.
CORRECT, BUT BUT STILL BENEFIT RECREATION AND PARKS.
RIGHT. WOULD THIS BE RUN THROUGH, I'M ASSUMING THROUGH THE FINANCE OFFICE OR WOULD IT? SO WHO WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THIS MONEY AND HOW IT'S SPENT? SO THE NONPROFIT WOULD BE THE FIDUCIARY BOARD THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING IN NOW IS CHESAPEAKE CHARITIES IS THE FIDUCIARY AND SORT OF CONTROL THAT MONEY PER SE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN AGREEMENT.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF YOUR ADVISORY BOARD POTENTIALLY FILLING THAT ROLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE INVESTED IN PARKS AND RECREATION IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
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OFTENTIMES THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT THAT OF WHAT WHAT ACTUALLY SERVING ON A NONPROFIT BOARD MEANS.I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE IF YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO SAID, I ONLY WANT THIS MONEY TO BE USED FOR THIS SPECIFIC WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT HAPPENED AND REPORTING BACK TO THAT OR TELLING THAT PERSON HOW THEIR MONEY WAS BEING USED.
I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING.
SO IN MY EXPERIENCE IN WORKING WITH NONPROFITS, SPECIFICALLY WITH FRIENDS OF GROUPS, THE DIRECTOR IS ALWAYS AT THOSE MEETINGS THAT THOSE DECISIONS CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IN THAT AGREEMENT, IT WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FIDUCIARY BOARD TO IF FEASIBLE BECAUSE IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO GIVE $20,000 FOR BUILDING A BASEBALL FIELD BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE REST OF THE MONEY TO DO THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE BOARD THEN SHOULD OR WOULD AGREE TO BECAUSE IT'S-- IF IT'S A SPECIFIC USE THAT YOU DON'T THINK YOU COULD HONOR.
YEAH. BECAUSE WHAT I WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IS SET THE COUNTY UP FOR FAILURE IN THAT SITUATION.
SO WE WANT TO GIVE YOU $20,000.
WELL, WE NEED A MILLION TO BUILD THAT, AND SO WE COULD SIMPLY TAKE THE MONEY AND THE AND THE FIDUCIARY BOARD COULD SIT ON THAT $20,000 UNDER THE IDEA THAT SOMEDAY MAYBE WE COULD BUILD THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO DO.
I KNOW AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THOSE ARE RESTRICTED FUNDS, AND I KNOW IN SOME CASES PEOPLE WHEN I WAS ON THE LIBRARY BOARD, I WAS ALWAYS LIKE, WELL, WE COULD USE THAT MONEY, AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, YOU CAN'T.
SO BUT IT IS A LOT OF THERE IS A LOT OF RECORD-KEEPING AND KIND OF DOWN THE ROAD AS, AS DIRECTORS CHANGE AND PEOPLE CHANGE, THAT HAS TO BE REALLY ACCOUNTED FOR BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU EVER WANT IS FOR SOMEONE TO GIVE YOU MONEY AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU DIDN'T SPEND IT THE WAY I WANTED YOU TO. THAT'S CORRECT, BUT ALSO BEING A LITTLE HAMSTRUNG IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR GIVING AND LOOKING AROUND FOR THAT, LIKE WHO'S GOING TO BE OR WHAT, WHAT PROCESS CAN WE USE TO ACCEPT THAT MONEY AND STILL BE MINDFUL OF THE PERSON GIVING THAT MONEY BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY SPEND THE MONEY IN WHICH IT WAS INTENDED.
IT COULD BE USED AS SEED MONEY IN SOME CASES AS WELL.
SO, I MEAN, IN THE CASE WHERE IT WAS MATCHED MONEY FOR PROGRAM, OPEN SPACE.
SURE. ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, THE MISTER [INAUDIBLE] SITUATION IS A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE I MEAN, HE SPECIFICALLY HAD A IN MEMORY OF HIS WIFE, HE WANTED A PAVILION AND IT'S THERE AND WE DID IT.
SO BUT THAT IS BUT HE ALSO COULD HAVE HAD A PROBABLY A TAX BENEFIT FROM DOING THAT IF WE HAD THAT SET TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND WE COULD ACTUALLY DO CAPITAL CAMPAIGNS IN THE FRIENDS GROUP AND BE ABLE TO GO AFTER WHERE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE I PAY MY TAXES AND YOU SHOULD BE DOING X, Y, Z WITH MY MONEY, AND HERE IN A FRIENDS GROUP SITUATION, IT'S PERFECTLY INDEPENDENT OF THAT AND CAN RAISE THOSE FUNDS WITH THOSE BENEFITS.
I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, YOURS.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT, AND WELL, AND THE GUY IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE A DONATION AND YOU WANT SOMETHING FOR YOUR TAXES, SOMEONE'S GOT TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THEM AND IT'S GOT TO BE CERTIFIED, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT WOULD BE A PROCESS AND SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK [INAUDIBLE] AND OBVIOUSLY THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT.
RIGHT. I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD IDEA.
I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DETAILS TO WORK OUT, BUT I THINK GENERALLY FROM AN OVERALL STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT, AND DO I MEAN, YOUR ADVISORY BOARD, I KNOW MOST PEOPLE ON THERE AND I THINK THEY'RE GOOD STEWARDS OR WOULD BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY AND THEY REPRESENT ALL THE AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A SPENDING MONEY, ONLY ONE AREA, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALWAYS HEAR, BUT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THIS. I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A ROAD AHEAD.
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SURE. YEAH TAKE UP TO A YEAR TO EVEN GET THAT RIGHT SORT OF DENOTATION, BUT I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE IN THE END TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND BE ABLE TO RAISE FUNDS APPROPRIATELY AND BE ABLE TO SPEND THEM AS AS AS BOTH THE FIDUCIARY AND THE DIRECTOR SEE AND THE DEPARTMENT SEE FIT AND THE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL.ALL RIGHT. NO, SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE ALL THE CHECKS AND BALANCES AND WHICH I KNEW WE WOULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT THAT, SO.
NO, I'M PERFECTLY FINE. THIS IS REALLY JUST AN APPETITE MEETING JUST TO PROCEED WITH.
I WASN'T GOING TO SEE MANY DETAILS UNTIL I UNDERSTOOD WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SOMETHING AND IT MIGHT BE MORE APPEALING TO PEOPLE TO DONATE OR IF THEY KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST BE CHARITIES TO THEM, TO YOU.
SO IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A MARKETING TOOL FOR YOU AS WELL.
I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN IS DELEGATING TOO MUCH OF THE AUTHORITY OUT TO, I THINK, TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCEPTANCE OF THESE FUNDS IN THE NAME OF THE COUNTY ULTIMATELY COMES THROUGH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS LIKE IF SOMEBODY A PAVILION, IF THE PAVILION ULTIMATELY FIT IN THE COMMISSIONER'S PLANS FOR A PARK AS WELL OR HOWEVER I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING OBSCURE. YEAH.
I THINK I DON'T WANT TO DELEGATE TOO MUCH OF THE AUTHORITY AWAY.
IF THE IF THE PARKS BOARD TOOK AN ADVISORY.
THE OTHER THING IS THEY ONLY MEET THEY MEET QUARTERLY.
IS THAT CORRECT? FIVE TIMES A YEAR. OKAY.
SO SOMETIMES YOU MAY HAVE A DEATH OCCUR WHERE AN ESTATE WANTS TO MAKE A DONATION.
SO YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION MAYBE A LITTLE MORE RAPIDLY THAN THAN IN A TWO MONTH.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO DONATIONS IN LIEU OF FLOWERS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST THE THOUGHT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING TOO MUCH AUTHORITY AWAY THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ULTIMATELY HAVE FINAL SAY ON WHETHER WE ACCEPT IT OR OR IN THE NAME OF THE COUNTY, AND THEREFORE ALSO EXPENDITURES MAKE SURE THEY FIT.
THE ULTIMATE PLAN WAS NEVER TO PUT A PAVILION IN X PARK AND SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS THAT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD COME HERE AND SAY THIS IS A SCENARIO, RIGHT, AND OR WORK OUT WITH THE DONOR. YEAH.
RIGHT IT DEFINITELY IT'S A DELICATE BALANCE WITH AN INDEPENDENT FIDUCIARY AS A FRIENDS GROUP AND GOVERNMENT, BUT FROM MY EXPERIENCE IT TENDS TO WORK RIGHT AND IN PROGRAMING.
COME BEFORE US EVERY TIME, BUT I THINK A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT BEFORE WE RECEIVE AND DO ANY DISBURSEMENT ON, AND THEN MAYBE WE JUST SAID THIS IS A LIST OF PROGRAMS THAT WE WANT TO SUBSIDIZE THROUGH THIS FUNDING OR PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS OR WHATEVER WE WOULD WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, THAT'S FINE, AND IF YOU WANTED TO ADD A PROGRAM DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THROUGH THE COMMISSIONERS PRIOR TO ADDING A GROUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH RECOMMENDATION OF THE ADVISORY BOARD.
WOULD THE CHESAPEAKE CHARITIES MONEY THAT'S IN THE FUND NOW, WOULD THAT BE MOVED OVER INTO THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOUR VISION IS? OKAY. OKAY.
IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE SEED STARTER MONEY FOR THAT.
NOW, WE'LL BE DRAWING DOWN ON THIS.
OKAY. PRIOR TO THAT ESTABLISHMENT, WE DO SO FOR SCHOLARSHIPS NOW.
OKAY. ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, IS THIS AN ENTERPRISE FUND? ONE OF THE NOT NOT CONSIDERED COMPLETELY OFFLINE? THIS IS NOT A COUNTY AT ALL.
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YEAH, BUT IF IT WAS SET UP AS A NONPROFIT, THEN I THINK A COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE MAYBE INVOLVED IN THAT.I WOULD NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT.
RIGHT. IT'S USUALLY HOW THE LANGUAGE GOES.
I DON'T KNOW. DID WE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR.
WELL, WHAT I WILL DO IS PROCEED.
YEAH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DO HAVE TO DO IS DRAFT ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION, AND SO THOSE I WOULD BRING BEFORE YOU, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FINE LINE BETWEEN THE SEPARATION OF AN INDEPENDENT FIDUCIARY BOARD AND GOVERNMENT.
YEAH, BUT I THINK WE CAN WALK THAT AND MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE WHILE ALSO REMAINING INDEPENDENT.
WE OBVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR THE 1.3 MATCH, SO WE'LL.
THAT JUST LAYS IN WAIT UNTIL JUNE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF WE MAKE THAT LIST FOR MATCH MONEY FOR CHOPTANK MARINA, THAT'LL BE A PRETTY GOOD SIGN.
THAT'S THE FIRST SIGN BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT IS THAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUND.
OKAY. GEORGE YOUNG IS ON BOARD, THE ENGINEER WHO WE WORKED WITH BEFORE.
OKAY, GOOD. SO THAT GETS RID OF THE BIG FIRM THAT IS DRIVING US TO DISTRACTION NOW AT THE MARINA.
SO WE'LL BE PREPARED TO HAVE A MEETING DOWN AT THE MARINA WITH HIM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH, WHETHER WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD THE FLOATING PIER OR WHETHER WE JUST SIMPLY DO REPAIRS AS THEY STAND.
SO HE'LL GIVE US A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE.
OKAY. HE'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND HE'S A REALLY GOOD, GOOD HUMAN BEING.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HIM WORKING WITH US AGAIN.
WE MISSED HIM IN THIS LAST PROJECT VERY MUCH, AND I WILL REMIND HIM DAILY.
SO, ONCE WE SO WE'LL KNOW IF WE MAKE THE LIST AND THEN ONCE THE AWARD IS ACTUALLY ISSUED OR THE MONEY IS ALLOCATED, THEN WE CAN START TO SPEND THE RURAL WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE SEAWALL AS PART OF THAT PROJECT IF WE SO DESIRE AFTER WE GET THE AWARD.
OKAY, AND WE CAN WORK WITH D&R TO POTENTIALLY DO THAT BECAUSE THE SEAWALL CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT THE BOATS COMING OUT OF THE MARINA, BUT IN THE INTERIM, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET GEORGE TO START WORKING ON DESIGN SO THAT WAY THE DESIGN PERMITTING WILL BE DONE.
WE CAN START AND THE SEAWALL PERMIT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPLIED FOR.
OKAY. SO THAT IS THAT IS IN THE WORKS.
OKAY, AND THEN THIS HAS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF PUBLIC WORKS AT ALL OR.
NO, I DON'T KNOW IF WATERWAY GOES BEFORE I'M...
SO YEAH, THAT'S ALL IN QUEUE WAITING FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO START AT SITE.
YEP, AND THEN THE BIDDING PACKET NICOLE'S PUT TOGETHER FOR DREDGING.
SO EVERYTHING THERE IS IN QUEUE.
I SENT YOU OVER THE 30% DRAWINGS FOR TWO NEW SETS FOR NORTH COUNTY PARK.
OKAY. NOTHING MAJOR HAS CHANGED.
THEY'VE ADDED LANDSCAPING AND LITTLE NICETIES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TOLD THEM MOST WOULD PROBABLY PUT THOSE IN AS ALT ADDS SO THAT WE ENSURE THAT WE GET THE MEAT OF THAT PARK BUILT, AND IF THERE'S EXTRA ESTHETICS LATER.
RIGHT, LET'S GET THE PLAYING SURFACES.
HOW ABOUT STATE HIGHWAY? HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING? I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP WITH CENTURY ON THAT.
THEY HADN'T STARTED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY HAVE NOT STARTED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
OKAY, BUT THAT IS THEY'RE READY TO GO WITH THAT.
WE'RE WAITING ON I'M WAITING ON THEIR CHANGE ORDER, QUITE HONESTLY.
OKAY. IS THIS THE LAST YEAR THAT [INAUDIBLE] THE NORTH COUNTY.
SO THIS FALL WAS THIS IS IT FOR HIM? YEAH. HE'S ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED THAT WE WILL NOT EXTEND ANOTHER YEAR.
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IT. SO HOW LONG WOULD THIS BE? I MEAN, ARE WE PLANNING ON STARTING TO BREAK GROUND NEXT YEAR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.THEY KNOW HOW IDLE THAT MOWING TIME WOULD BE.
WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PICK SOME OF THAT UP IN SPRING FOR SURE.
LET'S GET SOME KIDS PLAYING OUT THERE.
I KNOW IT. WELL, THIS, THAT WHOLE IT'S MORE THAN JUST NORTH COUNTY PARK BECAUSE IT'S FOUR H PARK.
WELL, FOUR H IS ONLY PULLING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SECTION OFF.
I THINK WE CAN NAVIGATE THAT THROUGH OUR CURRENT CONTRACT.
SO MORE THAN LIKELY OVER THE WINTER TIME WE'RE GOING TO TILL THAT UP AND SEED IT AND BY NEXT FALL IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE FIELD SPACE AT SOUTH COUNTY. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SHARP ROAD MOU, WE'VE GOT A DRAFT ON THAT RIGHT.
STEWART FOR THE TRANSFER OF THAT PROPERTY.
YOU TELL ME, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE TOWN WOULD LOOK OVER AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT AMENABLE TO THEM, AND THEN BEFORE YOU LOOK, I MEAN, SO IT'S IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO DISTRACT THEM AND I WILL LEAVE YOU SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SENT IT TO THEM YET.
RIGHT. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD GET IT ON OUR AGENDA.
SO THESE GUYS ARE GOOD WITH IT.
OKAY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT OVER.
OKAY. GOOD WITH THAT? YEP. ALL RIGHT.
LET ME SEE. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO INTO LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
WE HAVE THE INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING OF TWO LEGISLATIVE BILLS.
I GUESS I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO COUNTY ATTORNEY STEWART BARROLL TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATIVE BILL NUMBER 2023-003, CHAPTER 175 ZONING YARD SETBACKS.
GOOD MORNING, PRESIDENT BREEDING.
THIS IS A FIRST READING AND IT'S BEING INTRODUCED TODAY, OCTOBER 10TH.
THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SUNDAY STAR DEMOCRAT ON OCTOBER 15TH.
[7. Introduction & First Reading]
THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OCTOBER 17TH.THE THIRD READING DELIBERATION AND POTENTIAL AMENDMENT AND OR ENACTMENT WILL BE NOVEMBER 14TH.
THE ANTICIPATED EFFECTIVE DATE IS DECEMBER 29TH OF 2023.
IN THIS PARTICULAR BILL, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY SIMPLE ONE, IT COMES TO YOU BECAUSE AT THE JUNE AND JULY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, THE BOARD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IS DISCUSSED, A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COUNTY CODE REGARDING REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE 1 OR 2 VILLAGE CENTER AND VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND A REDUCTION TO TEN FOOT SETBACKS IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS TO PROVIDE LANDOWNERS WITH MORE USE OF THEIR LAND.
SUMMARY OF THIS BILL IS THAT IT IS AN ACT TO REPEAL AND RE ENACT WITH AMENDMENTS.
THE TABLE OF GENERAL DESIGN REGULATIONS IN CHAPTER 175 ATTACHMENT FOUR ZONING OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF REVISING THE REQUIRED SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS FOR VC VILLAGE CENTER VN VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD R RURAL R-1 RESIDENTIAL AND R-2 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
BY REPEALING AND REPLACING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN CHAPTER 175 ATTACHMENT FOUR TABLE OF GENERAL DESIGN REGULATIONS ZONING OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION IS THIS TABLE WHICH IS BEING AMENDED TO SHOW THAT THE NUMBERS ARE NOW, INSTEAD OF IN SOME CASES 30 OR 25 OR 20 ARE NOW DOWN TO TEN.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS BILL, AND THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THAT FIRST READING OF THIS PARTICULAR BILL, AND YOU DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR PACKAGE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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SO AS OF NOW, YOU HAVE AN OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM.IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS BILL? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU'RE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION GUY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'D SAY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
WITH RECENT CHANGES TO THE SEWAGE RESERVE AREA, SQUARE FOOTAGES RIGHT PLACED ON US BY THE STATE AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GIVE PEOPLE FLEXIBILITY TO BUILD.
SO I THINK THIS GIVES PROPERTY OWNERS MORE CONTROL, RIGHT? I TOTALLY AGREE.
SORRY, THERE ARE ALSO AT LEAST A FEW PEOPLE WAITING FOR THIS.
[CHUCKLING] ONE GENTLEMAN ACTUALLY HAS HIS PERMIT FOR 25, BUT HE WANTS TO AVOID HAVING TO EXTEND HIS DRIVEWAY, SO HE'S PATIENTLY WAITING TO START CONSTRUCTION [INAUDIBLE] 25.
YEAH, ANY TIME WE CAN MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT LEGISLATIVE BILL IS NUMBER 2023-004, CHAPTER 175 ZONING, SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS.
[• Legislative Bill #2023-004, Chapter 175—Zoning Solar Energy Systems]
THANK YOU. THIS COMES TO YOU FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF WHO DETERMINED, DUE TO RECENT APPLICATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR COUNTY CODE TO ADDRESS CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE CODE RELATED TO SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS. KATHLEEN WAS A BIG PART OF THIS DISCUSSION AND HAS BEEN VERY INCREDIBLY HELPFUL ON THE CHANGES.THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THESE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS WERE NOT SCREENED SUFFICIENTLY FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND ALSO THAT THE LANDSCAPE, THE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS BEING REQUIRED AS PART OF THESE SYSTEMS WAS NOT ADEQUATE, AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OR THE IDEA WAS CAME UP THAT WE WOULD HAVE A LICENSED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SELECTED BY THE COUNTY, BUT PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT WHO WOULD DESIGN THE LANDSCAPING COMPONENT OF THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM, AND WE ALSO CHANGED THE REQUIRED SETBACK FROM A MINIMUM OF 25FT TO AT LEAST 200FT FROM ALL ADJOINING PROPERTY LINES.
WE ALSO PROHIBITED PARCELS THAT HAD BEEN A TDR, IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE A PARCEL HAD BEEN AND IN FACT, ITS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS HAD BEEN TRANSFERRED.
THIS CHANGE WILL PROHIBIT TDR PARCELS FROM BEING UTILIZED FOR SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS. SO THAT IS A--I WILL GIVE YOU THE QUICK SUMMARY HERE, BUT THAT IS THE GIST OF THIS BILL.
THIS IS AN ACT TO REPEAL AND RE ENACT WITH AMENDMENTS THE SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS IN SECTION 175-46 OF CHAPTER 175 ZONING OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF REVISING THE SITING, DESIGN STANDARDS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEMS IN THE R RURAL DISTRICT.
ZONING OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND.
THIS WILL BE ON THE SAME TIME TRACK AS THE PREVIOUS BILL.
TODAY, THE 10TH IS THE INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING.
THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE PUBLISHED ON SUNDAY THE 15TH.
ON THE 17TH OF OCTOBER, WE WILL HAVE THE SECOND READING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 14TH WILL BE THE THIRD READING WITH THE POTENTIAL TO ENACT OR AMEND. WE WILL THEN HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE AGAIN OF DECEMBER 29TH, 2023, AND THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THIS FIRST READING. OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BILL? WOULD THIS BE RETROACTIVE TO THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE?
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IT WOULD NOT. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT? APPROVED APPLICATIONS ONLY.I'M SORRY. YOUR QUESTION IS, WAS IT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PENDING OR PREVIOUS ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PENDING? IF THEY AMENDED THEIR APPLICATION, PERHAPS.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A REASON TO SAY THAT IT'S LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.
IF THEY AMEND THEIR APPLICATION, THEY'RE SORT OF STARTING AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M, BUT ANY THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS NOW THAT HAVE BEEN BEEN APPROVED WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THESE GO BACK AND DO ANYTHING.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, RIGHT? YEP.
YEP. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. ALL OPPOSED.
NEXT UP, WE HAVE A MID-SHORE REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER DISCUSSION.
SO, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DO YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AS WELL? SO WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK FOR THE MID-SHORE REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER, AND I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND MEETING FOR THE PROJECT.
THE FIRST ITEM WAS A LETTER OF INTENT.
QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY IS FACILITATING A TEMPLATE TEMPLATE LETTER OF INTENT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET.
SO THEY'LL SEND AROUND A TEMPLATE FOR THE THREE JURISDICTIONS INVOLVED AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE'LL CIRCULATE IT FOR YOU TO REVIEW, AND I THINK IF WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, I MUST HAVE DRIFTED OFF THERE.
THEY DID SAY THEY WERE GOING TO.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO CIRCULATE IT? YEP. OKAY. YEAH.
THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE'RE ALL AGREEING TO THE SAME THING.
YEAH, THE GIST OF THE LETTER THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WAS BASICALLY THAT THE THREE COUNTIES WERE COMMITTED TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO STUDIES THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT TO, I GUESS, DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES OR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, I GUESS IT WAS DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
SO THE SECOND ITEM THAT THEY REQUESTED WAS THAT THE ALL THREE JURISDICTIONS BE ON BOARD WITH USING THE EXISTING QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY CONSULTANT, AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCUREMENT AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
[8. Midshore Regional Detention Center Discussion]
YEAH, I THINK IN THE END, AND THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT STEWART WAS BRINGING UP ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT MODEL THAT THEY HAD USED, WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO BE A PARTY TO THE AGREEMENT, WHETHER WE HAD TO FOLLOW OUR PROCUREMENT THAT.YEAH. SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE THREE COUNTIES, BUT ULTIMATELY QUEEN ANNE'S WOULD BE THE ONE PAYING THE BILL AND THEN WE WOULD GET BILLED FOR OUR THIRD FROM QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY. THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY PUT THIS OUT TO RFP PRIOR FOR WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO DO THEIR INITIAL JAIL PROJECT AND THEN ESSENTIALLY ARE JUST PIGGYBACKING OR AMENDING THAT CONTRACT.
SO I THINK AS FAR AS CAROLINE'S CONCERNED, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT AND SATISFIES OUR PROCUREMENT.
COLLIN MOORE HAD DONE THEIR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO FOR THEIR DETENTION CENTER RENOVATION.
SO THEY ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL TO GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THE THREE COUNTIES QUEEN ANNE AND CAROLINE, TO DO ANOTHER PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO STUDY JOINTLY FOR ALL THREE COUNTIES, AND I BELIEVE OUR THIRD WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE PAID CROSBY TO DO.
THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO FOR OUR JAIL RENOVATION.
SO I THOUGHT THE PROPOSAL WAS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAD PAID IN THE PAST.
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RIGHT. YEAH LOOK SO IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAD SAW AND BASICALLY THAT JUST GATHERS TOGETHER ALL OF OUR POPULATION DETENTION CENTER, POPULATION SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND PUTS IT ALL IN A FORMAT AND GIVES IT TO THE STATE FOR JUSTIFICATION THAT THEY USE FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR FUNDING THEIR PORTION OF THE PROJECT, AND THE STATE ACTUALLY HAD THREE INDIVIDUALS FROM THE DEPARTMENT THAT WERE ON ONE IN ATTENDANCE.SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE THE BEST ROUTE FOR RIGHT, AND THAT DEADLINE, I THINK ONE OF THE LADIES ON LINE ALLUDED TO THAT, THAT PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO SHOULD BE SUBMITTED BY MARCH OF 2024.
SO I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR US TO VOTE ON APPROVING QUEEN ANNE'S TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD AND THEN BUILD US OUR THIRD FOR PAYMENT, BECAUSE I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS THEY WANTED TO GET.
IF WE'RE AGREEABLE TO DOING THIS.
SO I THINK PROBABLY DIRECTION OR SOME TYPE OF MOTION TODAY WOULD BE.
ALL RIGHT. I HAD ONE QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE THE FIGURES? DO WE HAVE THE INFORMATION SUFFICIENT TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE OUR PROMISED HEARING WITH THE PUBLIC? I MEAN, IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE HAD THE PRIOR HEARING, WE SAID WHEN WE HAD OUR INFORMATION, WHEN WE HAD THE NUMBERS, WHEN WE HAD SUFFICIENT DATA THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SAY THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST US, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO SAVE US, WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND HAVE A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE WE AT THAT POINT YET? I DO NOT BELIEVE WE ARE AT THAT POINT.
I THINK THIS WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
I KNOW I HAVE HAD WITH TODD AND QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY OF TRYING TO QUANTIFY A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION WAS IN CONTEXT ABOUT SAVINGS, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NOBODY HAS REALLY PUT ANY NUMBERS TO PAPER TO COME OUT WITH.
I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH DOING WHATEVER WE DO UP TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE COMMITTED TO DO THIS BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE WE DID MAKE A PROMISE TO DO THAT. SO WHEN WE REACH THAT POINT, THEN I'D SAY AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AFTER THAT, WE SCHEDULE IT AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THE NUMBERS AT THAT HEARING, I THINK IT WAS BEFORE YOU WERE IN OFFICE, BUT I THINK YOU WERE THERE WE KIND OF YEAH, WE WERE GOING TO WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THE CASE TO THE PUBLIC FOR DOING THIS.
I'M FINE WITH DOING IT, AND I THINK WE'RE THIS IS THE RIGHT TRACK, BUT WE DID I THINK WE DO NEED TO FULFILL THAT OBLIGATION AND I THINK THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE OR GROUP IS WANTING TO DIVE INTO AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT.
TIMING IS GOING TO BE THE QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THE BIG THING IS GETTING THAT SUBMISSION IN BY MARCH SO WE CAN GET THE FUNDING IN FY 26.
FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, EVERYBODY'S EXPECTING AROUND A 30% OR MORE SAVINGS IN OPERATING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER WAS GENERATED FROM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'D BE SPLITTING THE COST.
ALL OF OUR POPULATIONS, INMATE POPULATIONS ARE ABOUT THE SAME.
KENT IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN US, AND QUEEN ANNE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YEAH, I GOT THE WRONG, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JAIL.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LANDFILL.
I WAS. [INAUDIBLE] FORGET THAT.
YEAH, [INAUDIBLE] YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO QUANTIFY THE SAVINGS.
IT SOUNDS PLAUSIBLE. I'M OLD [CHUCKLING] BUT I'M SORRY.
NO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS EXACTLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO.
THE SAME THING WANTING TO KNOW IS WHAT ARE THE QUANTIFIABLE SAVINGS FOR FOR DOING THIS? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SAVINGS.
TO WHAT EXTENT, THOUGH, IS THE NEVER MIND.
YEAH, YEAH. I'LL SIT BACK AND [INAUDIBLE] THE OTHER THOUGHT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WAS DISCUSSED FAIRLY HEAVILY WAS THE CREATION OF AN AUTHORITY TO MANAGE THE REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER SO IT WOULDN'T BE
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QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY MANAGING THE DETENTION CENTER ON THEIR OWN.SO WE'RE NOT SHIPPING STUFF TO THEM.
SO THOSE KINDS OF DETAILS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.
SO EVEN IN TERMS OF THE EMPLOYEES WOULD BE EMPLOYEES OF THE AUTHORITY NOW, I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY REIMBURSE QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY OR SOME COUNTY FOR H.R..
LIKE, I DON'T THINK THE AUTHORITY WOULD HAVE ITS OWN HR DEPARTMENT AND PURCHASING AND ALL OF THAT.
SO WE WOULD PROBABLY PICK A COUNTY TO PERFORM THOSE ADMINISTERIAL TASKS, BUT AS FAR AS OPERATING, I THINK SOME OF THE VIRGINIA AUTHORITIES THAT I HAD READ THROUGH HAVE A COMMISSIONER OR DESIGNEE, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND SHERIFF WAS SOME OF THE AUTHORITIES.
I THINK ALL OF THEM HAD THE SHERIFF ON, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY BUT IF IT WAS JUST A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND A COUNTY COMMISSIONER WOULD BE FINE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICAL COVERAGE THAT HAS TO BE DONE, BUT I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS THEY WERE ALL GOING TO GO BACK TO THEIR BOARDS, BUT WE REALLY FELT LIKE THE POLITICAL SENTIMENT WAS THERE FROM EVERYONE'S BOARD OF EITHER COMMISSION--I GUESS WE'RE ALL COMMISSIONERS--FORMS, SO WE'RE ON BOARD WITH THE SAVINGS ASSOCIATED THAT WAS GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
ONE THING THAT CAME UP AND I'M NOT SURE WE GOT A REAL ANSWER ON IT WAS THE EXPERIENCE OF THE DESIGN OUTFIT IN REGIONAL DETENTION CENTERS, AND THAT IS A SORT OF A UNIQUE AREA OF EXPERTISE, AND MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT HE SIMPLY BUILDS A BIG SINGLE DETENTION CENTER, WHICH IS NOT WHAT THAT'S NOT THE MENTALITY FOR THIS, AND I ALMOST WONDER WHETHER A MEMBER OF THEIR DESIGN TEAM OUGHT TO GO WITH US DOWN TO INSPECT THE PAMUNKEY FACILITY AS AN EYE OPENER FOR THEM BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, TRANSPORTATION, WHAT EXTRA STRUCTURE DO YOU NEED WHEN YOU'VE GOT A FLEET THAT'S GOING TO BE TRANSPORTING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE THREE COUNTIES, WHICH HE MAY NOT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT? IF HE'S JUST DOING, I'LL JUST EXPAND THE SIZE OF THIS ORIGINAL DESIGN TO MAKE IT BIGGER.
YEAH, AND SHERIFF BAKER WENT WE HAD A WE HAD A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE TEAM THERE.
PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WENT, DANNY, STEWART, KATHLEEN, SHERIFF BAKER.
SO WE WERE WELL REPRESENTED AT THE MEETING.
WE KICKED THAT AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
MID-SHORE REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT'S WHAT WE SETTLED ON.
[CHUCKLING]. [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, BUT THERE WAS DEBATE OF UPPER SHORE VERSUS SHORE.
SO WE DID SETTLE THAT OUT, BUT THE BIG THING THAT WE WANTED TO BRING BACK THE TWO MAJOR THINGS, I THINK KATHLEEN MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THE LETTER OF COMMITMENT AND APPROVAL OF PAYING OUR PORTION OF THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, AND I THINK THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, WAS TO JUST PUT THE DOCUMENTATION TOGETHER TO GET IT OUT TO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, THAT THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY GOING TO START ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN YET. IT WAS JUST THE INFORMATIONAL GATHERING PART OF IT TO MAKE THE SUBMISSION TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IN ORDER TO GET OUR FUNDING STATE FUNDING, AND THEN IT WAS GOING TO IT WAS ALSO PART I THINK THE PHASE ONE WAS GETTING THAT TOGETHER.
THE PHASE TWO WAS PUTTING TOGETHER THE RFP FOR THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE FACILITY.
YES. SO YEAH, AND I WOULD IMAGINE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES FORMED.
I MEAN, WE FINANCE LEGAL AND THEN THE EXPERTS, THE WARDENS, DEPUTY WARDENS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN ONE BIG GROUP.
THE LAST THING I HAD ABOUT THE REGIONAL FACILITY WAS THE TOUR.
SO WE ARE GOING TO WHERE ARE WE GOING? PAMUNKEY. ON DECEMBER 4TH, AND I THINK THE PLAN IS IT'S A THREE HOUR DRIVE TO GET DOWN THERE AND I BELIEVE THE MEETING IS GOING TO START AROUND NINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING ALL OF THE COUNTIES GOING THE NIGHT BEFORE.SO MY THOUGHT IS WE RENT A VAN RATHER THAN US ALL DRIVING INDIVIDUALLY AND GO DOWN THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW AND I'M REALIZING I LEFT THE SHERIFF OFF THIS EMAIL, WHICH I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM.
SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE TRAVIS, COMMISSIONER BREEDING, STEWART, CHARLES, DANNY, DEPUTY LUKE DIXON, MARY [INAUDIBLE], KIM AND MYSELF AND SHERIFF BAKER.
I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM. I LEFT HIM OFF, BUT DOES THAT SOUND LIKE OUR GROUP? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL ORGANIZE A VAN SOMEHOW AND HOTEL AND I THINK THE REASON WHY WE HAVE SUCH A STRONG PRESENCE IS WE ARE LEGAL AS VOLUNTOLD [CHUCKLING] OR VOLUNTEER TO DRAFT THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS HERE, WHETHER IT BE AN AUTHORITY OR HOW WE ULTIMATELY HOW THE DUST ULTIMATELY SETTLES HERE.
I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS AN AUTHORITY, BUT THAT'S YET TO BE SEEN BUT I THINK OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO PLAY A BIG ROLE IN THE CREATION OF THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY OPERATE THIS FACILITY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
SO I THINK QUESTIONS THAT THEY GENERATE AND LESSONS LEARNED THAT WE CAN PICK UP FROM EXPERIENCES FROM THE VIRGINIA REGIONAL FACILITIES WILL BE AN ASSET.
SO IS THAT WINTER [INAUDIBLE]? IT'S RIGHT BEFORE.
I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] SO WINTER [INAUDIBLE] IS SIXTH TO THE EIGHTH.
YES. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'LL BE BACK ON THE FOURTH.
IT'D BE THE EVENING OF THE FOURTH AND BE BACK THE EVENING OF THE FOURTH.
IS THERE ANY WAY YOU WANT TO RESCHEDULE THAT? I THINK THIS TOOK A LOT TO GET IT SET UP FOR YOU.
YEAH. DO WE? I KIND OF JOKED WITH KATHLEEN ABOUT THIS, BUT A LONE SURVIVOR, INSTEAD OF SENDING EVERYBODY, IS THERE 1 OR 2 THAT WANT TO STAY BACK THEN TO COORDINATE? I DON'T KNOW.
YOU DON'T WANT IT [INAUDIBLE]? I CAN'T SAY IT'S HIGH ON MY LIST OF THINGS, [CHUCKLING] BUT IF NEED BE, I CAN CERTAINLY ATTEND, BUT WE CAN WORK OUT.
WE'LL WORK. YEAH I MEAN, IT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THAT IS WE'RE MEETING THERE ALSO.
SO I THINK ONE OF OUR--CORRECT THERE'S A LOT OF IT'S REALLY A FACT-FINDING MISSION AS MUCH AS IT IS A TOUR, A TOUR TO ASK THEM WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, LESSONS LEARNED.
HOW CAN WE YOU KNOW, I THINK TO STEWART'S POINT THAT HE ASKED AT THE MEETING.
HE'S REQUESTED SOPS, PROCEDURES, ANY DOCUMENTS THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE, FREE HAND.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN ASKING BASIC QUESTIONS AND WASTING THEIR TIME ON STUFF THAT WE COULD DISCOVER IN A SOP OR A DOCUMENT THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE FREE HANDS. YES. SO ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WE NEED TO GROUP COLLATE THOSE INTO ONE DOCUMENT SO WE CAN SEND TO LAMONT.
LAMONT YEP. YEAH, AND I BELIEVE DID WE SET UP A MEETING IN NOVEMBER? YES, WE HAVE A MEETING NOVEMBER 9TH AT 3 P.M..
THE STATE REQUESTED THE LETTER OF COMMITMENT FROM THE THREE COUNTIES IS THE NOTE THAT I HAVE.
INTERESTING. ONE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP, IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE.
IT WAS ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE OR PROGRAMING SPACE BECAUSE ALL OF THE CORRECTIONS PEOPLE THAT WERE AT THE MEETING WERE REALLY DISCUSSING PROGRAMING SPACE AND THE SHORTAGE THEREOF THAT THEY HAVE IN THE EXISTING FACILITIES.
SO THE STATE DID INDICATE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THOSE NEEDS AND THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
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INMATE HOUSING UNIT POSSIBLE GENIUS CAME UP.IT'S INTERESTING, ISN'T IT? YES, THAT'S WHY I WROTE IT DOWN IN STAFF HAVE TO WORK THERE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE INMATES, SO THAT'S WEIRD.
OKAY, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANY OTHER MAJOR TAKEAWAYS.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
I THINK THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, I HAD A DISCUSSION OFFLINE WITH THEM AFTER THERE IS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT THE CHURCHILL FACILITY AND THEIR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE MULTIPLE WASTEWATER OPERATORS IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE PLANTS THAT THEY OPERATE.
PLUS THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DOWN ON KENT ISLAND.
SO THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE OVER OPERATION OF THE PLANT.
WE WOULD JUST COMPENSATE THEM FOR THAT SERVICE AND THE OTHER THINGS WOULD BE PURCHASING IN HR HOW WE WANT TO WORK THAT OUT, WHICH COUNTY PROVIDES THOSE SERVICES FOR THE AUTHORITY AND SO DO WE.
SHOULD WE MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT TO SUPPORT QUEEN ANNE'S ON THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO COVERING OUR PORTION OF THAT? YEAH. I THINK ANY DIRECTION OR MOTION WOULD BE.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. ALL OPPOSED.
OKAY. THE AYES HAVE IT, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET.
WHEN YOU GET THAT LANGUAGE, KATHLEEN, YOU'LL JUST CIRCULATE IT AROUND TO US, AND THEN IS THAT SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON NEXT TUESDAY? YES, WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK AND PUT IT.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, DOES ANYBODY DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. OKAY.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WITH ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?
[9. Consent Agenda]
MR. BARTZ? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.ALL RIGHT, MR. PORTER, JUST THE ONLY QUICK QUESTION IS ON THE ROADS.
THEY'LL BE LISTED ON OUR SITE.
WHAT ROADS WERE ADDRESSING ON THIS? THE 1.8 MILLION.
THIS IS FOR PASSION. THIS IS FOR WHAT WE DID ON GARLAND.
WELL, SOME OF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
IT WAS MORE FOR JUST NOTIFYING PEOPLE WHAT WAS GOING ON SO THAT IF THERE WAS ROADWORK GOING ON.
OKAY. JUST DO IT THE NORMAL WAY.
SO THAT WILL BE A BIG ASSISTANCE AS WELL.
OKAY. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.
I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
OKAY, AND RYAN, SOME OF THAT 1.8 HAS BEEN DONE.
RIGHT. PATCHING HAS BEEN DONE THIS YEAR.
OR IS THIS ADDITIONAL PATCHING THAT WE'RE DOING ADDITIONAL; THIS IS ADDITIONAL PO.
RIGHT, AND EACH TIME WE HAD A LUMP OF MONEY WE CREATE A PO, BURN THAT MONEY OUT AND OPEN ANOTHER PO.
OKAY, BUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE LIKE CHURCH LANE OR THAT'S SEPARATE.
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CORRECT. SO THIS IS ALL FOR NEXT YEAR.OKAY. THE $680,000 PO WE DID PRIOR THAT YOU GUYS HAD SOLD WAS THE BOND MONEY SPENT OUT THAT HAD SOME OF THAT THE WORK THAT ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.
ALL RIGHT. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.
ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? YES. JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON A CONVERSATION IN MEETING THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY.
SO STEWART MARY AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A TEAMS MEETING WITH UHY TO DISCUSS THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH A POSSIBLE ENGAGEMENT WITH MES.
HAD ABOUT AN HOUR MEETING WITH THEM.
ROY, WHO I THINK YOU GUYS KIND OF KNOW BY NOW, SHARED IN OUR KIND OF OPINIONS AND WHAT HE WAS SEEING AND WHAT WE'VE SHARED WITH SOME OF THE UNKNOWNS AND QUESTIONS OF JUST CHANGES AND UPS AND DOWNS AT DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS. SO FIRST STEP THAT HE FELT WOULD BE KIND OF THE ROAD TO GO DOWN IS TO SET UP A MEETING WITH THE AUDIT FIRM THAT ACTUALLY AUDITS MES AS A CONTRACTED PARTY TO THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ESSENTIALLY ENGAGE WITH THEIR AUDIT FIRM AND START QUESTIONING THEM TO SEE IF THEY MAY HAVE ANSWERS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING DIRECTLY FROM MES. SO I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN THAT INFORMATION FROM MES, SHARED THAT WITH ROY LATE YESTERDAY, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR NEXT STEP AT THIS TIME. WE ASKED ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING A CONTRACT OR WHAT THEY'RE CALLING AN AUP TO GO OVER SPECIFIC MATTERS. ROY FELT THAT WE MIGHT GET A LOT FURTHER WITH JUST TALKING TO THE AUDITORS THEMSELVES, THAT IT MIGHT NOT EVOLVE INTO NEEDING TO GO THROUGH THAT ROUTE.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT AND RELAY ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT MAY COME OUT OF IT.
STILL GOING OVER THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST 2 OR 3 MONTHS.
SO IF THERE WAS ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD OR NO, EXCEPT TO SAY THAT THEY ACCEPTED SOME OF OUR COMMENTS, YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE MEETING WE HAD WITH THE MES FOLKS AND THE QUESTIONS WE HAD, THEY AGREED THOSE WERE SOUND QUESTIONS, UHY AGREED WE WERE POSSIBLY ON TO SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED.
SO I'M JUST HOPING IT'S NOT TOO BIG AN ONION AS THEY START TO PEEL BACK THINGS.
YES, BUT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONTINUANCE OF THE LANDFILL HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY, SO WE CAN GO BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY, CITIZENS, THIS IS THE SAVINGS.
WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
IS IT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO ACCEPT THIS INCONVENIENCE IN OUR COUNTY FOR ANOTHER 12 YEARS? YEP, AND WE'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S ON THE UP AND UP WHILE WE'RE THERE, BUT THE GOAL, THE TARGET IS ULTIMATELY TO KNOW WHAT THE TRUE SAVINGS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH KEEPING THE LANDFILL HERE UNTIL IT IS FULL, MAXIMIZING ITS USE.
BECAUSE ONCE IT'S CLOSED AND I WANT TO REITERATE THIS BECAUSE I HEAR THIS A LOT WHEN I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC PEOPLE THINK THAT THIS THING COULD BE REOPENED AND REUSED, BUT THE COUNTY DOES NOT OWN IT.
IT IS MES'S PROPERTY, AND ONCE IT IS CLOSED AND CAPPED, IT WILL BE CLOSED IN CAP FOREVER.
SO THIS WILL BE SPACE THAT WILL BE NEVER BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PURVEY THAT TO EVERYONE, THAT ONCE IT'S CLOSED, IT'S CLOSED, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE 13 YEARS OF STORAGE LEFT IN THIS FACILITY.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE MAXIMIZE IT? IS THERE ENOUGH FINANCIAL BENEFIT THERE FOR US TO MAXIMIZE IT AND THEN ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT.
THAT MES UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE WATCHING THE OPERATION AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A BLANK CHECK BOOK EITHER. SO, I'M SORRY, WHERE ARE WE ON OUR TIME FRAME WHILE WE'RE GETTING THIS INFORMATION?
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I MEAN, ARE WE BUTTING UP AGAINST THE TIME THAT QUEEN ANNE'S IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER TO GO OR NOT? THEY'RE CONTINUING WITH THEIR PERMITTING.I THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS 3 TO 4 MONTHS WAS THE TIMEFRAME.
WE HAD TO GO THROUGH KIND OF THIS QUESTIONING AND FINANCIAL REVIEW OF MES.
SO THE PUBLIC UPROAR IN QUEEN ANNE'S IS STARTING OVER THE LOCATION AND I THINK QUEEN ANNE'S WISELY WANTED TO TRY TO AVOID THAT, BUT I THINK WE JUST WEREN'T GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION WHERE WE FELT COMFORTABLE TO HELP THEM OUT THERE.
SO AND ULTIMATELY, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PERMIT IT THERE ANYWAY.
SO THE WAY THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT IS DO IT NOW OR DO IT LATER.
I'M ASSUMING THEY WOULDN'T BE MOVING FORWARD IF IT WERE, BUT ANYWAY, SO ONE OTHER ITEM WITH MES.
I HAD AN INTERESTING PHONE CALL FRIDAY FROM, GARY [INAUDIBLE] FROM MES ASKING ABOUT THE HOBBS ROAD SOLAR PROJECT.
MES HAD LOOKED AT OUR AGENDA MINUTES AND SAW THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH NEXAMP ABOUT DOING THE PROPOSED SOLAR PROJECT. TO THEIR SURPRISE, THEY HAD REALLY NO IDEA OF THE PROJECT, WHICH GOES AGAINST KIND OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAVE HAD WITH NEXAMP ABOUT MAKING SURE MES IS ON BOARD AND UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.
SO I HAVE SENT AN EMAIL TO NEXAMP AND RELAYED THIS TO THEM ASKING FOR A MEETING WITH MES, NEXAMP AND A COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CALL AS WELL.
SO I WOULD SAY FOR NOW WE ARE STILL KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE NEXT STAMP ON SOME OF THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE, BUT UNTIL EVERYTHING, EVEN WITH MES IS SATISFIED, THAT SHOULD BE KIND OF TABLED TO BE DETERMINED.
WAS NOT REALLY EXPECTING THAT.
NO, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING.
OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT BEFORE YOU GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ANNOUNCE THESE NUMBERS TO THE PUBLIC, IT ISN'T SIMPLY WHATEVER WE OR OUR TEAM DETERMINES TO BE THE SAVINGS.
IT'S WHAT THE OTHER COUNTIES AND THEORETICALLY MES AGREE IS THAT NUMBER.
IT'S NOT JUST WE FIND IT, AHA, THAT'S THE NUMBER WE TELL THE PUBLIC.
CORRECT, AND ONE OF ROY'S BIG CONCERNS, WHICH IS THE SAME CONCERN WE HAVE, IS THAT WHOLE STUDY THAT PFM HAS PROVIDED TO DISCOVER THE SAVINGS HAS FALSE.
YES. TAINTED INFORMATION OR NUMBERS THAT AREN'T CLEAR.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO OBVIOUSLY GO TO THE PUBLIC WITH THAT NOT KNOWING.
SO WE COMPLETELY AGREE THAT'S DEFINITELY THE END GOAL AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO ESSENTIALLY, WE'LL GATHER THE TIMELINE WILL LOOK LIKE THIS.
WE'LL GET HOPEFULLY A REPORT FROM UHY THAT SAYS THESE ARE OUR ANTICIPATED THESE ARE THE PROJECTED SAVINGS THAT WE ANTICIPATE, AND THEN WE TAKE THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT AND SAY, OKAY, IS THAT ENOUGH? DO WE USE THAT TO MAKE AN OFFER AS A BOARD CAROLINE COUNTY AND WE WILL TAKE THAT.
IF IT IS, WE WILL TAKE THAT AND MAKE THAT OFFER TO THE OTHER COUNTIES.
MS HAS ALREADY SAID THEY'LL RAISE THEY'LL RAISE OUR HOST FEE TO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO PASS IT ON, BUT IT'LL BE UP TO THE OTHER COUNTIES TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS AMENABLE TO THEM AND THEN THEY WILL. THEN IF IT IS, THEN WE CAN HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY THIS IS WHAT THE OFFER IS.
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AS WELL, BECAUSE THE [INAUDIBLE] WILL GO WHERE THE LANDFILL IS, AND IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE YOUR TRASH, IF YOU WANT TO LOAD YOUR TRUCK UP WITH YOUR TRASH BAGS, YOU'LL BE DRIVING TO QUEEN ANNE COUNTY, TO CENTREVILLE, NOT TO HOLLY ROAD.SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN QUANTIFY.
WE CAN COME UP WITH THOSE SAVINGS, BUT I AGREE.
MY ONLY POINT IS I JUST WANT TO GET A GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN GIVE THE PUBLIC ADEQUATE RANGES.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT'S GOING TO SAVE US $1,000.67, BUT WE CAN GIVE THEM RANGES ON WHAT WHAT IS GOING TO BE, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE RANGES, THEN I THINK WE CAN INCORPORATE THE OTHER CONVENIENCE FACTORS AS WELL.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOUR TIME ON THIS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN TIME CONSUMING, DIGGING INTO IT AND INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST.
ALL RIGHT, GOOD. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
COUNTY COMMISSIONER OPEN DISCUSSION PERIOD TIME.
[10. County Administrator’s Report]
THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE WERE AT--ME AND COMMISSIONER BREEDING--WENT TO ROGER LAYTON'S SERVICES ON FRIDAY, AND IT WAS AN UNDERSTATEMENT TO SAY THAT IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED. THE OUTPOURING OF RESPECT AND LOVE THAT PEOPLE SHOWED FOR HIM WAS ASTONISHING.FRIDAY NIGHT, I WENT TO THE HOMECOMING GAME FOR NORTH CAROLINE HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT THAT.
THEY GOT A GOOD TEAM TO WATCH.
13 RAISED FEW FUNDS FOR THE COUNCIL.
OVER THE WEEKEND, RYAN TOOK A RIDE DOWN TRUNK LINE ROAD, CHECKED IT OUT.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S HELD UP PRETTY GOOD AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WERE IN THE GARLAND ROAD FIASCO THE OTHER WEEK. DID THEY ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OF? DO WE KNOW OR WAS THERE A WE'RE IN THE PROCESS.
WE STARTED YESTERDAY ON THE PROCESS OF CULLING EVERY ONE OF THEM BACK TO FIND OUT.
OKAY. SO FAR WHAT WE'VE HEARD, EVERYTHING WAS RESOLVED WITHIN 48 HOURS, MOST WITHIN 24 HOURS.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY NEGATIVE FROM THERE YET.
OKAY. I'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE TELL ME THAT THEY WERE SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE OUTCOME OF WHAT THEY THE COMPANY TOOK CARE OF EVERYTHING.
SO THEY WERE SATISFIED WITH THAT, AND COMPARED TO THE COMPANY WE HAD LAST TIME, THEY REALLY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE BEHIND THE OLD [INAUDIBLE], THERE'S A GUY BACK THERE THAT DETAILS [INAUDIBLE].
THEY HIRED HIM AND SAID HERE AND THEY JUST PEOPLE WENT THERE.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF STUFF, THEY TOOK CARE OF IT THEMSELVES.
THEY WENT RIGHT TO PEOPLE'S WORKS OR HOMES OR WHATEVER, BUT I DID HEAR THAT TO A BIG MAGNITUDE.
THEY SAID STRAIGHT TO HIM AND HE TOOK CARE OF IT.
SO, YEAH, SO I LIKE THE SIGN THAT YOU PUT DOWN THAT YOU GOT THERE ON THE GARLAND ROAD THE OTHER DAY.
IT LOOKED GOOD, AND I WENT DOWN THERE LAST NIGHT WHERE THEY DID THE NEW SEAL.
IT LOOKED, I MEAN IT LOOKED GOOD. EVERYTHING LOOKED GREAT TO ME.
SO I WAS HAPPY WITH THAT, YOU KNOW.
I HOPE YOU GET THEM STRAITS ON IT FOR YOU NEXT WEEK.
YEAH THAT'S FINE. I MEAN BUT IT TURNED OUT WELL.
I THINK THE MESSAGE BOARDS ABSOLUTELY HELPED BECAUSE PEOPLE, PEOPLE GET IT OUT.
I MEAN, THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE A GOOD INVESTMENT.
YEAH, BUT I WAS ON THE DIRT ROAD.
ON THE DIRT ROAD LIST, JUST GOING OVER THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTRACT, I THINK WE NEED TO START.
TO KIND OF GET A FEEL ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? WE'RE INSTEAD OF VESTING WE'RE JUST TO SEE HOW THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO WORK.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST IS LIKE YOU GOT ONE, TWO, THREE.
I DID HAVE IT HERE. RIGHT HERE. HOLD ON.
THE TRICKY PART. I KNOW TRUCK LINE WAS NUMBER ONE.
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THIS ISN'T THE ACTUAL WHERE WE CATEGORIZED WE ACTUALLY BUT BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING MAYBE TRUCK LINE DOWN TO THE NUMBER THREE.THAT WAY WE HAVE TWO SMALL ROADS, KIND OF SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT.
WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY BECAUSE WE THE WAY THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE ADVERTISED.
I THINK AS OF RIGHT NOW, EACH ROAD IS ITS OWN BID.
SO WE MAY WE MAY END UP WITH TEN DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
OKAY. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE BIDDING COMES OUT AND HOW IT'S AWARDED.
THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST GOING. I KNOW IT COULD BE TEN DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY SAYING MAKE SURE THE WORK'S DONE PROPERLY, JUST GET A PROCESS, A PROCESS DOWN TO WHERE WE CAN MONITOR YOU KNOW, SO THEY DON'T START THE SAME TIME.
YEAH. NO, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO WITH YOU.
ABSOLUTELY, AND THEN I'M JUST NOT GOING TO BID.
I WON'T BID ON THE ROADS, AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO WITH A SHORT SECTION TO START OFF WITH JUST TO MAKE SURE OUR SPEC COVERS EVERYTHING AND THEN IF EVERYTHING GOES IN LINE, WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THE CONTRACTOR, EVERYTHING'S COVERED, THEN WE'LL MAYBE ROLL ON.
BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS TOO, IS YOUR STAFFING ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP EYES ON IT.
I THINK IF WE DO ONE AT A TIME, WE HAVE TIME TO SPEND THE MONEY.
YOU HAVEN'T. I CAN'T FIND MY LIST.
I GOT THE LIST OF DIRT ROADS, BUT I CAN'T FIND MY LIST WHERE WE RANK THEM IN PRIORITY.
I'LL GET IT TO YOU. I'LL SEND IT OVER TO YOU BECAUSE I DON'T.
I MEAN, HAVING SOMEBODY THERE THAT CAN.
SO WE'LL SIT DOWN TOGETHER, WE'LL GO THROUGH AND WE'LL TRY TO COVER EVERYTHING.
MAYBE YOU AND I AND BRIAN OR LT.
THEY WERE JUST THEY WERE SO OLD AND ALL, AND THEY'RE LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FALL DOWN.
IT'S NOTHING BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF TREE WORK IN CERTAIN AREAS.
IF WE NEED RIGHT AWAY TO BE THERE, WHATEVER.
SO IT'S A MORE COMPLETE PROJECT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S FUNDING SOURCE.
ONE FUNDING SOURCE IS HERE AND ONE FUNDING SOURCE IS HERE.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH.
GOTCHA. I KNOW THIS IS ALL A LATER CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ABSOLUTELY.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HOLDING UP PRETTY GOOD.
I MEAN, OF COURSE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO WINTER TIME EITHER, BUT WE'RE GETTING READY [INAUDIBLE].
I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT.
MR. PORTER? I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN.
I WAS VERY, VERY SORRY TO MISS ROGER'S SERVICE, BUT AGAIN, A TREMENDOUS LOSS TO THE COUNTY, AND PRAYERS AND WISHES ARE WITH HIS FAMILY.
YEAH, ROGER WAS A REALLY GOOD GUY AND DIDN'T KNOW HIM SUPER WELL, BUT, BUT SPOKE TO HIM A COUPLE DOZEN DIFFERENT TIMES OVER THE YEARS, AND ANYBODY THAT SIGNS UP TO DO THIS JOB TWICE DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT, MUCH LESS.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DONE IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF DEDICATION.
ROGER WAS DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SERVICE THROUGH TWO STINTS, ONE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ONE AS COMMISSIONER, AND THEN NOT TO MENTION ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES HE DID VOLUNTEERING, COACHING, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL AND PROBABLY TOO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS TO
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MENTION. SO BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH COVERED IT ALL.
DANNY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES, WE HAVE ONE MORE THING THAT DANNY REMINDED ME OF, AND I WANTED TO SAY TO FORMER COMMISSIONER LAYTON WAS ACTUALLY ON THE BOARD THAT APPOINTED ME TO BE THE PLANNING AND CODES DIRECTOR.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING UP THE CHRISTMAS BONUS AND FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
SO DANNY HAS SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU.
YES. SO WE HAD SHERRY PUT TOGETHER SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS ON WHAT A BONUS WOULD COST.
WE TAKE THIS TIME OF THE YEAR TO CLOSE OUR BOOKS FOR THE PRIOR YEAR, WHICH WE'RE DOING NOW, AND THEN WE USE KIND OF THE FUND BALANCE OR THAT THOUGHT AS JUSTIFICATION TO THE BONUS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SURPLUS THIS YEAR OF AROUND $3 MILLION, A LOT OF THAT DUE TO INCOME TAX AND THE INCREASE WE HAVE SEEN SOLELY IN THAT NUMBER.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE HAD SHERRY IN HR RUN SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
LAST YEAR WE DID $1,000 BONUS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER.
THE TOTAL COST TO THAT TO THE COUNTY WOULD BE $279,171 AND THEN WE HAD SCALED $100 EACH DIFFERENT WAY IS COST.
SO THIS WOULD GO TO ALL FULL TIME EMPLOYEES HIRED AFTER JULY 1ST.
IF YOU WERE HIRED AFTER JULY 1ST, YOU WOULD GET HALF OF THE AMOUNT AND THEN PART TIME EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE TO WORK OVER 850 HOURS IN THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS. SO THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION OF QUALIFICATION AND THE SAME CRITERIA WE HAVE USED FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SO IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS, DIRECTION AMOUNTS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON, LET US KNOW.
WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFO.
RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING HOW MUCH THIS YEAR? I THINK WITH THE BALANCE AND KIND OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD INTERNALLY, WE WERE LOOKING AT $1,100 WAS $100 MORE THAN LAST YEAR, AND THAT WOULD BRING OUR TOTAL COST $307,088.
SO JUST AROUND $300,000 TO DO $1,100, AND THE IDEA IS THAT THIS WOULD GO OUT ON DECEMBER 5TH AND WE WOULD DO A PAPER CHECK THAT WOULD BE HANDED OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS.
WE COULD HAVE THE BOARD IF YOU GUYS INDIVIDUALLY WANTED TO MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.
IN THE PAST WE'VE DONE THAT AND WE'VE ALSO HAD THE SUPERVISORS HAND THEM OUT AS WELL.
I'M SURE KATHLEEN AND I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SOME TRIPS AS WELL TO SEE THE EMPLOYEES AND THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE $1,100.
[CHUCKLING] SO IF THERE'S ANY DO WE DO WE NET THIS? THIS IS WE DO. CORRECT? YES. SO IT'S A NET OF WHATEVER AMOUNT.
YEAH. YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT $1,100 IN CHRISTMAS BONUS SECOND.
I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. MOTION AND SECOND.
OKAY, NOW WE COME TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
MR. BAKER? WELL, [INAUDIBLE] THE LORD, GARLAND ROAD IS JUST ABOUT COMPLETE.
[CHUCKLING] I THINK WE NEED TO REMIND THESE CONTRACTORS, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, NUMBER ONE, ABOUT SAFETY, WHICH AS I'VE SEEN, A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT OVER THE LAST
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FEW MONTHS, AND NUMBER TWO, ABOUT THE LANDOWNERS' RIGHTS YOU CAN'T KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOUSES AND YOU NEED TO MAKE SOME ARRANGEMENT.I DON'T CARE HOW LONG YOU CLOSE THE ROAD OR HOW SHORT YOU CLOSE IT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME ARRANGEMENTS SO PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ARRANGEMENT THAT
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BRIAN CAN MAKE IT'S UP TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY BLOCKING THE ROAD.AGAIN, I WAS ATTENDING ROGER'S CEREMONY AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HOW I KNEW HE WAS VERY POPULAR COMMISSIONER, ROGER'S A VERY POPULAR STATE TROOPER.
I DIDN'T KNOW HIM AT THAT TIME, BUT I KNEW MUCH LATER.
YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. BAKER. ALL RIGHT.
[13. Closed Session: To Consider the Potential for Acquisition of Real Property in County]
UNDER AUTHORITY 2014.MARYLAND CODE STATE GOVERNMENT 3-305B3.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.