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[BACKGROUND] ITS ON. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023 CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING.
[1. Call to Order]
I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.THIS MORNING, WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION BY PASTOR DENZEL CHEEK OF THE CHURCH OF THE BROTHER, AND THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. GOOD MORNING, PASTOR.
LET US PRAY. FIRST OF ALL LORD, WE KNOW THAT YOU BRING GRACE, MERCY, LOVE, AND HOPE TO ALL OF US IF WE ACT, AND YOU'RE THE ONLY HOPE FOR BEING FREE FROM THE EVILS OF THIS WHOLE WORLD.
WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING,
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GIVING HONOR AND PRAISE TO YOU, FOR YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD IN ALL OF US, AND THE SOURCE OF ALL THE MANY BLESSINGS THAT WE RECEIVE EACH AND EVERY DAY.WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GIFTS AND TALENTS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO EACH OF US YOUR HUMAN CREATION.
WE ASK YOU GOD YOUR BLESSING AND PROTECTION ON THOSE SERVING OUR COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD, AND OUR LOCAL POLICE AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE ASKED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER HERE THIS MORNING, AND WE ASKED YOUR BLESSING ALL OF THIS MEETING.
ANY PERSON GATHERED HERE TO LISTEN OR TO SPEAK, WE ASK THAT YOU HELP TO GUIDE AND DIRECT THIS MEETING, AND THEY WILL BE FULL OF WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, AND PRODUCTIVITY, AND CERTAINLY RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR HELPING THE PROBATIONERS TO ACCOMPLISH EACH ITEM OF BUSINESS THAT IS SCHEDULED BEFORE THEM THIS MORNING.
LORD, GUIDE THEM AND HELP THEM TO REACH THEIR GOALS, FOR THE GOOD OF ALL THE PEOPLE OF CAROLINE COUNTY.
IT'S IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST THAT WE ASK HIM.
I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'T REMAIN TODAY [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN.
DURING THE NOVEMBER 7TH COMMISSIONERS MEETING,
[2.Closed Session Report Out]
THE BOARD MET IN CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS THE EMPLOYMENT, APPOINTMENT, AND ASSIGNMENT OF A SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE, AND COUNTY DEPARTMENT.ATTENDEES WERE COMMISSIONERS BREEDING, PORTER AND BART'S, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR KATHLEEN FREEMEN, DIRECTOR OF IT, CHRIS RICE, AND PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER JENNIFER RIVALRY.
THE COMMISSIONERS ALSO MET ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH IN CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS THE EMPLOYMENT, APPOINTMENT AND ASSIGNMENT OF A SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE AND COUNTY DEPARTMENT.
DURING THE MEETING, A CONTRACT WAS TERMINATED.
ATTENDEES, COMMISSIONERS BREEDING, PORTER AND BART'S, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, KATHLEEN FREEMAN, COUNTY ATTORNEY STEVE BARREL, AND RYAN WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC AND THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? NONE BEING SEEN.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS ROBERT ZIMMER HALL, BUSINESS SERVICES COORDINATOR FOR UPPER SHORE WORKFORCE INVESTMENT BOARD [NOISE] WITH
[3.National Apprenticeship Week in Caroline County]
A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK IN CAROLINE COUNTY. GOOD MORNING.>> YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE APPROXIMATION [NOISE].
THIS APPROXIMATION FOR NATIONAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 13TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 19TH, 2023 STATES, WHEREAS NOVEMBER 13TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 19TH, 2023 IS NATIONAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK AND WHEREAS APPRENTICESHIP IS A PROVEN AND RECOGNIZED WORKFORCE TRAINING MODEL AND WHEREAS KNOWLEDGEABLE JOURNEY WORKERS TRAIN APPRENTICES TO BE BETTER SKILLED AND EARN HIGHER INCOMES AND WHEREAS, BILLBOARDS ELECTRIC, BOB BREEDING GENERAL CONTRACTORS, JOB TANK ELECTRIC AND LAW, WOULD ELECTRIC SPONSOR ACTIVE REGISTERED APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS AND CAROLINE COUNTY.
WHEREAS THESE APPRENTICESHIP SPONSORS ARE DEDICATED TO TRAINING THE WORKFORCE OF TOMORROW.
THEREFORE, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DECLARE NATIONAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK IN CAROLINE COUNTY, SIGNED BY THE COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY J. TRAVIS BREEDING, PRESIDENT, LARRY C. PORTER, VICE PRESIDENT, AND FRANKLIN BARTZ THE THIRD COMMISSIONER.
BOB, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS FOR PUTTING THE PROCLAMATION ON THE AGENDA.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PORTER, FOR SPONSORING IT.
THANKS TO DEBBIE BOWDEN, WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT WHO TOLD ME HOW THIS WORKS OUT TO GET THE PROCLAMATION ON THE AGENDA.
THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR COORDINATING IT. APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S THE NINTH ANNUAL APPRENTICESHIP WEEK.
THIS HAS BEEN HOSTED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF LABOR NOW FOR NINE YEARS.
THIS WEEK THERE ARE 1,300 EVENTS ACROSS THE NATION.
DISCOUNTS AS AN EVENT BY THE WAY, I VOTED FOLKS FROM EVERYBODY THAT YOU LISTED IN THE PROCLAMATION.
I DO KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE FROM LIVE WOULD HEAR IS ANYONE ELSE HERE?
>> BILLBOARDS ELECTRIC. THANK YOU FOR COMING. I HAVEN'T MET YOU ALL.
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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT AMONG UPPER SHORE COUNTIES, CAROLINE COUNTY ACTUALLY HAS THE LARGEST APPRENTICESHIP PRESENCE WHEN COMPARED TO KENT, QUEEN ANNE'S TALL, BUT IN DORCHESTER.THE WAY APPRENTICES ARE COUNTED IN MARYLAND IS BY [NOISE] WHERE THE SPONSORS HEADQUARTERS IS LOCATED.
FOR THAT REASON, THERE WAS ABOUT 70-80 APPRENTICES REGISTERED ON THE UPPER SHORE AND ROUGHLY 50 OF THEM ARE REGISTERED WITH CAROLINE COUNTY SPONSORS.
IT'S WORKING HERE, IT'S WORKING FOR BUSINESSES HERE AND THAT'S GREAT.
WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS FROM HILLSBORO LIE WOOD I GUESS.
YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY HERE. A LITTLE BIT OF A MEETING GREAT.
>> WELL, LET THE COMMISSIONERS [OVERLAPPING] COMMISSIONER PORTER.
>> SURE. JUST THANK YOU, GUYS.
I KNOW IT TAKES TIME AWAY FROM YOUR BUSINESS AS WELL TO DO THIS.
CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT YOU'VE MADE AND THE [NOISE] TIME YOU SPENT TO TRAIN.
WE ARE VERY, VERY BIG HERE ON APPRENTICESHIP AND TRAINING, AND FOR A LONG TIME, WE'VE SAID THAT YOU CAN FIND AN ATTORNEY A LOT EASIER THAN CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO FIX YOUR AIR CONDITIONING OR YOUR CAR.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME YOU'VE INVESTED AND EFFORT YOU'VE INVESTED IN TRAINING. THANK YOU.
>> JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. WHEN YOU OFFER APPRENTICESHIP, YOU'RE TAKING A BIG CHANCE.
BOTH A PERSONAL AND A CAPITAL INVESTMENT, ALMOST.
[NOISE] JUST HOPE THAT YOU GET A REWARD AT THE END.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT AS A GOOD LEAP OF FAITH ON YOUR PART UP PEOPLE CAROLINE COUNTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
>> WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM UP HERE.
>> BASED ON SYMMETRY SMILE [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] SQUEEZE IN LIKE YOU LIKE EACH OTHER.
[BACKGROUND] I'LL TRY TO SQUISH.
>> MILITARY LIKE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER.
>> OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS DANNY FOX,
[4.Discussion of Renovation to Delmarva Community Transit Building]
DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR [NOISE] WITH THE CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OFFICE FOR A DISCUSSION OF THE RENOVATION OF THE DELMARVA COMMUNITY TRANSIT BUILDING.>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.
>> LAST TUESDAY DURING THE CLOSED SESSION.
THE TOPIC OF THE DCT BUILDING AND WHAT WE WANT IT TO DO, OR THE DIRECTION WOULD THAT BUILDING CAME UP.
WE WANTED TO BRING THIS UP IN A MORE WORKSHOP FORMAT AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE LEFT OFF WITH THAT AND THEN SEE IF THERE'S ANY DIRECTION OR GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE BUILDING GOING FORWARD.
IF YOU RECALL, PROBABLY CLOSE TO A YEAR AGO, WE STARTED TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY DOING RENOVATIONS TO DCT AS WELL AS THE [INAUDIBLE] BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THE MOVING OF DES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THIRST STAFF AS WELL AS A TRAINING CENTER, AND THEN AS WELL AS HR AND LEGAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAD HIRED DAVIS BOWEN AND FRIDELL TO GO THROUGH.
THEY MET WITH EACH DEPARTMENT THAT I JUST MENTIONED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT [NOISE] SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDS THEY HAD AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY WOULD FIT AT EITHER HALFS OR DCT.
WE STARTED DOWN THAT ROAD AND THEN EVENTUALLY IT GOT TABLED AND REALLY IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE PAST THAT.
WE WANTED TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANY DIRECTION OR
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GUIDANCE OF WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO WITH THAT INFORMATION, WHETHER WE SHOULD ENGAGE WITH DBF AGAIN TO GO THROUGH DIFFERENT PATHS.>> THE INITIAL RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE WITH DBF.
THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH DEPARTMENT [NOISE]
>> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.
IS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH, MET WITH THE DIRECTOR OF EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS, AND FIGURED THAT OUT.
>> OKAY. HAVE THEY MET WITH DCT TO DETERMINE THE SPACE THAT THEY NEED? I THINK THEY DID THAT AS WELL.
>> I BELIEVE THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE DCT BUILDING BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT AREA DCT WOULD NEED TO OCCUPY VERSUS WHAT WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE, SAY A WAY, BUT WHAT WOULD BE OPENED UP FOR RENOVATIONS FOR THE COUNTY STAFF.
>> THAT ADDITION WAS PUT ON THE FRONT OF DCT.
IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, HASN'T IT? WHEN THAT WAS DONE?
>> TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU I'M NOT TOO SURE WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER [OVERLAPPING] I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS DONE AROUND THE TIME.
MAYBE IT'S BEEN LONGER THAN THAT.
IT WAS PROBABLY DONE AROUND THE TIME WHEN THE CULINARY CENTER, WHEN [NOISE] THE OLD HIGH SCHOOL WAS RENOVATED IN TOWN HERE FOR THE CULINARY CENTER.
MAYBE IT WAS DONE BEFORE BUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE AND JUST WE'LL GET A DATE BASED ON THAT JUST THAT CURIOSITY.
>> OKAY. THE THOUGHT IS TO THE PRESSING SPACE NEEDS THAT THE COUNTY HAS RIGHT NOW, IS IT NEEDS MORE ROOM.
>> CORRECT. THE BIG DEPARTMENTS ARE IT WITH THE EXPANSION TO THE FOURTH PERSON.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL WORKING IN, WHICH WAS ONCE A TRAINING ROOM AT THE ITU BUILDING.
WE HAVE LEGAL THAT'S OCCUPYING PART OF THAT BUILDING AS WELL.
HR ARE CURRENTLY RUNNING BUILDING FOR THEM TO OCCUPY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOING THE SAME THING, RUNNING THE BUILDING FOR THEM.
I THINK THE NEED IS THERE TO TRY TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE THREE DEPARTMENTS AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT INTO ONE PLACE.
I THINK THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT, DCT HAD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO TAKE ON THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WAS EVER PUT TOGETHER AS FAR AS DRAWINGS GO FOR THEM TO MOVE THERE BECAUSE I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS AT THE TIME THEY WOULD GO TO HOUSE.
>> WITH THE UPPER SHORE AGING, POTENTIALLY MOVING SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THAT HAS SINCE FALLEN THROUGH.
>> ANY DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD MOVE OUT THERE TO DCT?
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? [INAUDIBLE]
>> IF WE CAN FIT ALL THREE AFTER YOU MUST REPORT IT.
>> I THINK WE BETTER TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE COST [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE].
THE MODEL THAT WE USED WHEN WE BUILT THE EMS BUILDING WAS THAT WE TRIED TO CALCULATE THE DEBT SERVICE ON WHAT WE WERE GOING TO SPEND AND MATCH THAT TO THE COST OF WHAT WE WILL PAY IN TWO WEEKS.
I DON'T LIKE LEASING SPACE AND SO IF WE HAVE GOTTEN A FIRM ANSWER ON, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS AND THEN GET INTO A CONTEST HERE WITH THE CT.
IF WE'RE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THAT BUILDING AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT BUILDING WE CAN USE, THEN I THINK WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS AND AND START SPENDING MONEY TO MOVE OFFICES AROUND AND RELOCATE STUFF BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE COST INVOLVED IN THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEASE TERM SAY AS FAR AS NOTICE THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE ON THE [OVERLAPPING].
THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION IS [NOISE], ARE WE GOING TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENT OR SPEND MONEY TO FIND OUT IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE IT THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER BEEN ANSWERED. WE THINK WE KNOW.
>> WE THINK WE KNOW A LOT OF STUFF SO I WANT TO KNOW FOR SURE.
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THEN THE SECOND THING WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY CALLS THE COST AND THEY FIND OUT WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE, AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.I THINK IT'S A TWO QUESTION A PURGE, SO WE HAVE THE LEGAL ASPECT OF ACTUALLY MOVING INTO THE FACILITY AND RENOVATING.
I KNOW OUR LAW OFFICE WAS WORKING ON COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE STATE AND TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I KNOW MARY'S HERE TODAY, BUT WE'LL REGROUP WITH STUART TO PRETTY MUCH GET HIM TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> DEPARTMENT AND THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WAS ALSO INVOLVED WITH THE CONVERSATIONS.
>> THE LAST THING I REMEMBER WAS THEY COULDN'T FIND ANY RECORDS.
[NOISE] WE CAN STOP. WE GOT TO FOG IT OUT.
>> I WOULD IMAGINE ONCE YOU START THAT DON'T PRODUCE SOMETHING ONCE YOU START TO PURSUE.
>> WINDMILL FARMS, I'M DOING IS WHEN WE STARTED SOMETHING.
>> TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEN THEY COME FORWARD AND SAY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND THAT TURNS INTO A LEGAL BATTLE.
>> DOES IT MAKE SENSE THEN TO SEND ANY IN A RESTED STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCY A LETTER THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES, QUALMS, RESERVATIONS.
SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER, HOLD YOUR PEACE.
>> I THINK THAT WAS THE GUIDANCE WE RECEIVED WHEN WE STARTED DIVING DOWN THE HIPS DCT.
BOTH PROCESS WAS BEFORE WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS, WE WOULD NOTIFY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.
>> OF WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE, WHICH ARE TO RELOCATE, LEGAL, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND HR ENDED UP BUILDING.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF COMMUNICATION OR CORRESPONDENCE WITH ECT?
>> HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BET WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE PLANS TO DO THIS AND THEN MAGICALLY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE DCTS TO FIND SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T DO IT. THAT'S MY GUESS.
>> WELL, LET'S INCLUDE THEM ON THIS LETTER.
I THINK THE FIRST STEP, TO MAKES SENSE, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO DRAFT A LETTER TO FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND DCT, STATING OUR INTENT AND LET'S SEE, THEY COME BACK WITH AND ANYONE ELSE.
RIGHT. THAT CAN BE TIED TO THE PURCHASE OF THAT BUILDING OR HAVE ANY INPUT INTO WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
THEN ONCE, IF WE DON'T GET ANY PUSH BACK FROM THEM THAN WE COULD GO TO DBF AND SAY CONSTRUCTION COST, DESIGN COSTS AND WHEN YOU COME BACK AND MAKE A DECISION BASED OFF OF THAT.
>> LET'S SAY THEY'RE NOT BEING EVICTED OR ANYTHING JUST WANT TO RENOVATE A PORTION OF IT.
>> TO THAT IT MAY BE WORTHWHILE TO START ENGAGEMENT WITH DBF.
>> WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING? WHAT DID YOU COME UP WITH? ARE WE TAKING TICKETING? ARE WE GOING TO USE 30% OF THE BUILDINGS, 70, 80, RETOUCH BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE ADDING IN THE LETTER.
>> HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF IT WE NEED?
>> I WILL BE FINE WITH GOING THAT FAR, BUT I WOULDN'T SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON [OVERLAPPING].
>> PHONE CALL OR AN EMAIL TO PEYTON.
>> BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE STARTED WORKING ON THAT INFORMATION OR HAVE THAT INFORMATION ALREADY READY.
>> SHOULD JUST BE A PHONE CALL BECAUSE THE LAST THING THAT WE SAW FROM THEM WAS AN ACTUALLY DRAWING OF THE SPACE AND HOW THEY WOULD HAVE MADE IT OUT BECAUSE WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SHARE RESTROOM AND SHARE KITCHEN FACILITIES, WITH DCT.
SOME PEOPLE IN THAT MEETING DID NOT THINK THAT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
I DO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING OF HOW THEY PLAN TO LAY THE SPACE OUT, SO THAT SHOULD JUST BE A PHONE CALL TO GET BACK.
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>> HONESTLY, I IMAGINE THE WATER WILL BE INTERNAL DRAFTED THROUGH LEGAL THOUGHT PROCESS.
I MEAN, THE ENGAGEMENT WOULD PAINT AND THEN THEY'D STILL PRINT OUT.
I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TOO MUCH OF AN EXPENDITURE TO GO THROUGH THIS SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS PROCESS AND THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH ANY RESPONSES OR ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN, POST THEM FOR MANY OF THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO SAVE US MONEY WITH LEASE OR HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE US TO RECOUP.
>> CORRECT. YEAH. WE'LL START PUTTING TOGETHER WHAT WE'RE PAYING THE LEASES NOW.
ANY OPT-OUT TERMS, WHETHER WE'RE LOCKED IN FOR SO LONG.
LIKE SAY IF WE COULD GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM PEYTON.
>> THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY A SQUARE FOOT RENOVATION PRICE TOO.
>> WHEN YOU START WORKING ON THAT AS WELL, I'M TRYING TO DO ALL THREE OF THOSE AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT BUILDING MAINLY BEING USED FOR DISPATCH, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> DO YOU THINK THEY WORK ON BUSES IN THERE? I DON'T THINK THEY DO TOO MUCH SHARPER AND MORE ON THE EQUIPMENT.
I KNOW THEY HAVE THE LARGER THE BASE AND IN MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY HAD LIFTS AND SEVERAL PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THERE THAT SEEM TO BE UNUSED WHEN THEY [OVERLAPPING].
SO DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO TO FIGURE OUT.
WHEN THE PROJECT STARTED, I'D REALLY LIKE TO TALK TO PEYTON AND GET HIS OPINION PIECE.
HE DID THIS ROOM TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR US AND WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM SO I THINK HE WOULD BE HONEST AND TRUTHFUL ON WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE.
>> THERE REALLY CAN'T BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN DISPATCH.
>> OUT OF THAT BUILDING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT PEOPLE IN THERE AND HAVE [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
>> COMPRESSOR HAS EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN RUNNING IN THERE.
>> I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THEN WE LOOKED AT MOVING THEM OUT COMPLETELY, TAKING THE PILL.
>> NOISE, PAINT THEMES, ALL THAT STUFF COULD BE AN ISSUE.
>> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE START LOOKING INTO THAT?
>> AS WE GO THROUGH IT, WE'LL TRY TO PROVIDE UPDATES AND KEEP YOU GUYS ON THE LOOP.
>> YEAH, AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY EXISTING BUILDING SPACE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
>> WHAT INVOLVEMENT DO THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE IN THIS CALENDAR?
>> NONE. TO MY RECOLLECTION, WHILE THE SERVICE WAS A TRI-COUNTY SERVICE, CAROLINE COUNTY WAS ON THE HOOK FOR THE ACTUAL SPACE FOR THEM.
THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WE HAVE FOUND THAT HAS ANY INDICATION THAT THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PHYSICAL OPERATING SPACE OF VC2.
>> THE PROCUREMENT OF THE BUILDING, AND ALL OF THAT. THAT WAS ALL?
>> [OVERLAPPING] CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> WITH NOT HAVING STEWART HERE, I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK FOR LEGAL, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE KEY TERMS OR CAVEATS IN THE PURCHASE OR THE AGREEMENT WAS, WE HAD TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR TRANSPORTATION TO THAT.
>> THAT WAS A HUGE QUESTION BECAUSE DEFINE, ADEQUATE IT'S WHERE WE GOT.
IF THEY ONLY NEED A SECTION THAT'S BIG, WHY ARE WE GIVING THEM THAT WHOLE BUILDING? THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE DID HAVE.
>> I THINK BACK TO THE LATTER AND WRAPPING THAT IN.
I THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE WANT TO TACKLE THIS WAS, WE WERE STILL PROVIDING THEM ADEQUATE SPACE IN THE BUILDING BASED ON AN ENGINEER STUDY, THROUGH INTERVIEWS, THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, AND WE'RE STILL MEETING THAT OBLIGATION.
>> IF WE END UP IN FUTURE CUTTING TIES WITH DCT?
>> REMEMBER, THIS ISN'T DCT SPECIFIC, IT'S TRANSPORTATION.
>> RIGHT. IT JUST HAS TO BE A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
IT JUST HAS TO BE USED FOR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
>> WHETHER IT WAS ON DEMAND OR ANY OF THE OTHER OPTIONS, AS LONG AS WE WERE STILL PROVIDING ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THAT OPERATION IN THAT BUILDING.
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THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME WHEN WE STARTED GOING THROUGH THIS.IN THE AGREEMENT, IF IT SAYS ADEQUATE SPACE FOR TRANSPORTATION.
WHO DETERMINES WHAT IS ADEQUATE?
>> YES. WE'LL TALK TO STEWART WHEN HE GETS BACK, AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT REORIENTED.
>> WILL THE BOARD LIKE TO SEE THE LETTER BEFORE THAT IS SENT OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH KATHELEEN OR STEWART REVIEWING THROUGH?
>> SIMPLY, MA'AM. WELL, IT'S EASY ENOUGH.
>> THANK YOU, DANY. OUR NEXT ITEM HERE IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. LEGISLATIVE.
>> SORRY, SECOND TIME I'VE DONE THAT. LAST TWO MEETINGS.
>> WHEN WE GET TO THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
>> MOTION AND SECOND TO GO INTO LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] AYE. AYES HAVE IT.
WE HAVE THE THIRD READING AND POTENTIAL ENACTMENT OF LEGISLATIVE BILL 2023-003,
[5. Legislative Session: Third Reading & Potential Enactment]
CHAPTER 175 ZONING SETBACK.I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KATHELEEN, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
>> I WILL READ THE BILL ONTO THE RECORD.
AN ACT TO REPEAL AND RE-ENACT WITH AMENDMENTS THE TABLE OF DESIGN REGULATIONS IN CHAPTER 175, ATTACHMENT 4, ZONING OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF REVISING THE REQUIRED SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS FOR VC VILLAGE CENTER, VM VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD, R-RURAL, R-1 RESIDENTIAL, AND R-2 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
BY REPEALING AND REPLACING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN CHAPTER 175, ATTACHMENT 4, TABLE OF GENERAL DESIGN REGULATIONS, ZONING OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND.
WHEREAS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER ARTICLE XI-F OF THE MARYLAND CONSTITUTION AND SECTION 9-308 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND TO ADOPT PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS IN GENERAL.
WHEREAS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER THE LAND USE ARTICLE TITLE 4 OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND TO ENACT AND ADMINISTER ZONING AND LAND USE BILLS.
WHEREAS PURSUANT TO SECTION 197-V OF CHAPTER 175, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE RECEIVED THE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE STAFF OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND CODES, AND THE STAFF REGARDING THE CHANGES TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS PROPOSED IN THIS BILL, WHICH WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF PERMITTING USES IN THE VC VILLAGE CENTER, VM VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD, R-RURAL, R-1 RESIDENTIAL, R-2 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
WHEREAS THIS BILL MAY ALSO BE KNOWN BY ITS SHORT TITLE CHAPTER 175 ZONING ATTACHMENT 4 TABLE OF GENERAL DESIGN REGULATIONS, AMENDMENT TO REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT ENACTED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND THAT SECTION 1, THE TABLE OF GENERAL DESIGN REGULATIONS, ATTACHMENT 4, OF CHAPTER 175 OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND IS HEREBY REPEALED.
SECTION 2, NEW TABLE OF GENERAL DESIGN REGULATIONS ATTACHMENT 4 OF CHAPTER 175 IS HEREBY ENACTED AND LOU THEREOF TO READ AS SHOWN ON THE ATTACHMENT.
SECTION 3, THE RECITALS TO THIS BILL ARE INCORPORATED HEREIN AND DEEMED AS A SUBSTANTIVE PART OF THIS BILL.
SECTION 4, THE PROVISIONS OF THIS BILL ARE DECLARED TO BE SEPARABLE.
IF ANY SECTION, SUBSECTION, SENTENCE, CLAUSE, PHRASE, OR PORTION OF THIS BILL IS FOR ANY REASON HELD INVALID OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY ANY COURT OR COMPETENT JURISDICTION, THE SAME SHALL BE DEEMED SEPARATE, DISTINCT, AND INDEPENDENT FROM.
SUCH HOLDING SHALL NOT AFFECT THE VALIDITY OF THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THIS BILL.
IT BEING THE INTENT OF THE COUNTY THAT THIS BILL SHALL STAND NOTWITHSTANDING THE INVALIDITY OF ANY SECTION, SUBSECTION, SENTENCE, CLAUSE, PHRASE, OR PORTION HEREOF.
SECTION 5, THE PUBLISHERS OF THE CODE OF PUBLIC LOCAL LAWS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND, AND CONSULTATION WITH AND SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY, SHALL MAKE NON-SUBSTANTIVE CORRECTIONS TO CODIFICATION STYLE,
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CAPITALIZATION, PUNCTUATION, GRAMMAR, SPELLING, ORGANIZATION, AND ANY INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL REFERENCE OR CITATIONS TO THE CODE THAT IS INCORRECT OR OBSOLETE, WITH NO FURTHER ACTION REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.ALL SUCH CORRECTIONS SHALL BE ADEQUATELY REFERENCED AND DESCRIBED IN THE EDITOR'S NOTE FOLLOWING THE SECTION AFFECTED.
SECTION 6, THE TITLE OF THIS BILL OR A CONDENSED VERSION THEREOF, SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE AND IS A FAIR SUMMARY OF THIS BILL FOR PUBLICATION AND ALL OTHER PURPOSES.
THAT'S IT. [LAUGHTER]. THIS BILL AFTER I SAID ALL THAT, IN SUMMARY, WOULD REDUCE THE REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS TO 10 FEET FOR THE ZONING DISTRICTS OF VILLAGE CENTER, VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD, R-RURAL, R-1 RESIDENTIAL, AND R-2 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
>> ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? BASICALLY, IT GIVES PEOPLE MORE FREEDOM TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD.
THE SETBACKS IN MOST AREAS OF THE COUNTY WILL BE REDUCED FROM 25 AND 30 FEET DOWN TO 10 FEET, TO GIVE PEOPLE MORE SPACE TO BUILD ACCESSORY BUILDINGS OR ANY OTHER STRUCTURE.
>> I WOULD MOVE WE ADOPT LEGISLATIVE BILL 2023-003.
>> MOTION AND SECOND TO ADOPT THE LEGISLATIVE BILL 2023-003.
>> ALL OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.
>> WE HAVE SEVERAL CITIZENS ANXIOUSLY AWAITING, TODAY. IS THERE AN EFFECTIVE DATE?
>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT SAYS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> FORTY-FIVE DAYS. WE CAN AT LEAST LET THEM GO AHEAD AND APPLY AND WILL BE WAITING FOR THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO ISSUE.
>> MOVE WE GO BACK TO REGULAR SESSION.
>> MOTION AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] AYE. NOW, ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, TRYING TO MOVE THE MEETING FASTER.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS WITH ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. BARTZ, ANYTHING?
[6. Consent Agenda:]
>> LESLIE, THESE UNITY LANDSCAPE DESIGN PROJECTS, THOSE ARE PAID FOR BY THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT 319 GRANT.
>> THESE ARE WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE JONES CENTER?
>> QUALITY WATER AND WATER VOLUME.
>> WHAT ARE WE DOING AT THE COMMUNITY PARK ITSELF? IS IT A RAIN GARDEN AND A SWALE?
>> IT'S TWO SMALL RAIN GARDENS AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PAVILION SO WE'LL BE REPLANTING THAT AREA WHICH IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF IT AND ALSO PROVIDING AN OUTLET FOR THE DOWN SPOUTS ON THE PAVILION TO PUSH WATER POOLS ALL AROUND THAT AREA.
WE'RE TRYING TO DIRECT IT TO THE RAIN GARDENS SO THE ISSUE OF ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE PAVILION FROM FLOOD WATER.
THEN THE SWALE RUNS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE PLAYGROUND AREAS OF THE [INAUDIBLE], WHICH HOLD WATER AFTER EVEN NOT REALLY A HEAVY RAIN, A MEDIUM RAIN AND IT STAYS THERE FOR SOMETIMES DAYS.
I'M TALKING INCHES DEAL [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE TO START TO WORK ON THESE?
>> PENDING YOUR APPROVAL IN THE SECTOR OF THE CONTRACT IT SHOULD BE BEFORE DECEMBER, POSSIBLY.
>> JAMIE, HOW DID THESE COORDINATE WITH THE BASKETBALL COURT THERE? I KNOW [OVERLAPPING].
>> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH E BASKETBALL.
[LAUGHTER] SO THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE BUILT AND WE WILL COME IN.
>> CONNECT THIS WELL TO THE WATER FEATURE FOR [INAUDIBLE] TIMING WISE.
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>> WILL THERE BE ANOTHER GRANT FOR THE STORM WATER TREATMENT OFF OF THE BASKETBALL COURT OR?
>> NO. THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PROGRAM UP IN SPACE GRANT AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
BECAUSE OF US BUILDING A NEW COURT THERE, THERE WILL BE MITIGATION REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT AND FAR FROM PROGRAM OPEN SPACE BONDS.
>> WILL THE SECOND A MANDATORY AGREEMENT WITH THEM, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY LEGAL.
CAN YOU TELL ME REALLY QUICKLY WHAT THIS MEANS?
>> I DIDN'T REVIEW IT STARTED.
KATHLEEN, DO YOU RECALL OR DAN, ARE YOU STILL IN HERE?
>> I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH THAT. I APOLOGIZE.
I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS REVIEW AT ONCE AND HAD A SUGGESTION THAT YOU WANTED TO SHORTENING THE TIME ISN'T RECYCLING AGREEMENT, SO THAT IS THE AMENDMENT.
[INAUDIBLE] DIDN'T SHORTEN THEIR TERM OF THE AGREEMENT TO BRING IT BACK.
>> CORRECT. THIS IS THE AGREEMENT THAT DICTATES WHAT THE FOUR COUNTIES ARE RECEIVING AS FAR AS RECYCLING? THIS WAS, I WANT TO SAY NEGOTIATED OR DISCUSSED WITH THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME FOR CAROLINE COUNTY, THE ADMINISTRATIVE FOR ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE TALKING TO TIM FOR FROM MPS IS THAT THIS REALLY DOES NOT CHANGE TOO MUCH OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE COUNTY.
ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE STILL IN THE RUN THE DROP OFF HANDS THROUGHOUT THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN THE COUNTY.
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THEY DO WITH PUBLIC WORKS WITHIN INTERACTION GROUP RECYCLING.
THE BIG CHANGE BETWEEN LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK WAS THE CHANGE TO SHORTEN THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT.
THEY ASKED FOR 10 YEARS AGAIN.
I THINK COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] HAS BROUGHT UP THAT THERE WERE ROLLING UP TO DO TWO YEARS SO THE AGREEMENT WAS SHOWING THE TWO YEARS AND THEN THAT'S WHAT HE SAID NOW.
AS FAR AS THE VOLUME CONTEXTS, I KNOW STEWARD HAD REVIEWED.
>> NOTHING. I DO KNOW THAT NOTHING CHANGED BETWEEN LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK EXCEPT THAT TERM.
>> I THINK IT BASICALLY IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
THEY OPERATE OUR RECYCLING PROGRAM FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM COMES OUT OF A RECYCLING SURCHARGE FEE THAT'S ADDED ON TO EVERY TON OF TRASH THAT GOES INTO THE MINIATURE REASONABLE LANDFILL SAIL FROM ANY RECYCLED PRODUCTS GOES BACK INTO THIS FUND.
IF WE SELL GLASS OR SELL PLASTIC OR ANY OTHER RECYCLABLE THAT THEY COLLECT OF ANY VALUE GOES BACK INTO THE FUND TO COVER THE COST OF OPERATING THE PROGRAM.
I THINK THE CONTRACT STATED THAT THEY ARE TO HOLD A FUND BALANCE OF 35%.
>> WHEN I TALKED TO TIM ABOUT THIS, YES APPARENTLY, THE PRIOR TENURE CONTRACT THEY'D BEEN HOLDING A BALANCE TO WHATEVER IT WOULD COME TO, WE HAD MENTIONED THAT THE PROGRAM WAS OPERATING AND SELF-SUFFICIENT.
THE NEW CONTRACT HERE, THEY WOULD WALK TO NOT KEEP THE LEVEL OF FUND BALANCE THAT HAS BEEN TESTED PRIOR YEARS AND THEN THEY WOULD CALL US AND CHECK ESSENTIALLY EACH YEAR FOR THE MONEY MADE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHENEVER THE PERSON IDENTIFIED THE CONTRACT.
THEY SEEM PRETTY CERTAIN THAT THAT WOULD BE EVERY YEAR.
[INAUDIBLE] TO WHAT LEVEL I KNOW HE DIDN'T MATCH IT [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THOUGHT I READ IN THE AGREEMENT THAT MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE MONEY IN THE BANK.
MAYBE I CONFUSED IT, THAT ANY BALANCE HAD TO BE USED FOR RECYCLING PROGRAMS. I THOUGHT MAYBE I EXTENDED THAT TO THE COUNTIES AS WELL.
ANY CHECK, ANY BALANCE OVER THE 35% THAT MIGHT BE DISBURSED TO THE COUNTIES.
>> I THOUGHT LAST WEEK IS PRETTY HAD THAT WE WON'T BE GETTING THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I WANTED TO SHORTEN JUST TO MAKE IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, TO TRY TO PROMOTE TRANSPARENCY AND SEE WHAT FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND,
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IT'S NEW TO US WITH THE CHANGE AT THE ADMINISTRATOR AS WHAT THEY'D BEEN PROVIDING AS FAR AS FINANCIAL DOCUMENTATION, COSTS, AND ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE SO AN EXPENDITURE.I THINK THAT'S WHY I FELT MORE CONFIDENT WITH THE TWO-YEAR TERM.
BASICALLY REDUCED IT DOWN FROM A 10-YEAR TERM TO A TWO-YEAR TERM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SOMEBODY YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> A MOTION AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> NOW, WE'RE ON TO OUR ACTION ITEM,
[7.Action Agenda:]
WHICH IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-023, AN AMENDMENT TO THE CAROLINE COUNTY PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR CLASS SPECIFICATIONS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND CODES.>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.
>> WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS RESOLUTION NUMBER 2023-023 FOR A CHANGE IN THE CLASS SPECIFICATIONS FOR OUR CURRENTLY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE BOARDS TO RETITLE THAT TO BOARD ADMINISTRATOR WITH REPLACING SOME OF THE JOB FUNCTIONS, NO CHANGE IN PAY SCALE OR PAY RANGE.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE CURRENT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF CODES ADMINISTRATION AND REVISING THAT CLASS SPECIFICATION TO THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, REPLACING SOME JOB DUTIES IN THAT, AND ASSIGNING THAT TO A GRADE 16 ON THE PAY SCALE.
THERE IS A NEW POSITION FOR THE PLANNER 3, THAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGES THAT WE CREATED FOR THE NEW PLAN OR POSITION ASSIGNED TO A GRADE 12, AND THEN ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COORDINATOR WAS REVISED TO CHANGE SOME JOB DUTIES IN THERE AND ASSIGNING THAT TO A PAY GRADE OF 12, AND THIS WAS ALL PART OF THE REORGANIZATION DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH YOU A MONTH AGO.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE JOB SPECIFICATIONS OR TO THE TWO? ACTUALLY, ONE NEW ONE.
>> THE PLANNER 3 IS A NEW POSITION?
>> THAT WOULD BE A NEW POSITION, YES.
>> AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COORDINATOR.
THAT'S GETTING MATT'S POSITION SOME HELP, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. THAT IS REPLACING MATT'S POSITION WITH SOME CHANGES TO THE JOB, AND THEN THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF CODES IS BEING CHANGED TO THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
>> OKAY. THAT'S NOT REALLY A NEW POSITION; THAT'S A BACKFILL OF MATT'S PRIOR POSITION.
GOT YOU. BUT ULTIMATELY, WE'RE GETTING HIM SOME HELP TO HELP SPEED THE PROCESS UP THERE.
>> TELL ME HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO SPEED THE PROCESS UP.
>> HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO SPEED THE PROCESS UP.
WE WILL HAVE A SECOND PERSON NOW WITH THE ABILITY TO REVIEW BUILDING PERMITS, SITE PLANS, PROJECTS, COORDINATE WITH TAC SO MATT CAN FOCUS ON SOME OF THE LARGER-SCALE PROJECTS, AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COORDINATOR COULD TAKE OVER REVIEW OF THE PERMITS.
SO IT'LL TAKE SOME OF THAT WORKLOAD OFF AND MORE FOCUSED TO GET THE LARGER PROJECTS THROUGH FASTER.
>> ONCE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN THERE [NOISE] WE SHOULD SEE A ACCELERATED PROCESS OF REVIEW AND PUSH.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT MAY BE REVIEWED IN THERE, [OVERLAPPING] BUT ON OUR DEPARTMENT, ABSOLUTELY.
>> I ALSO THINK THE COMMUNICATION FLOW WILL BE BETTER.
YOU'VE GOT MATT, ONE MAN, SHOP FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND THE PHONE CALLS, AND DO THE REVIEWS, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE CUSTOMERS COMING IN, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT SECOND PERSON THAT WE CAN TRAIN TO HELP GET THOSE RESPONSES OUT QUICKER.
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>> CRYSTAL, WHAT DO YOU SEE, AS FAR AS REQUESTS FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS, ARE SEEING THINGS INCREASE OR DECREASE, OR STAY ABOUT THE SAME?
>> LAST MONTH WE HAD ONE NEW PLAQUE COME IN, SO THAT WAS A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT IT HAS BEEN, SO THAT'S GIVEN US SOME TIME TO CATCH UP.
>> BUT THE TIME-CONSUMING THINGS HAVE BEEN THE BIG SOLAR ARRAYS, THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TOO MANY OF.
BUT WHEN YOU GET MULTIPLE SOLAR ARRAY APPLICATIONS OR COMMERCIAL SITE DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT LOADS, PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PERSON, HAS TO PULL OFF OF THOSE.
HOW'S IT HANDLED NOW? WHEN HE STARTS REVIEWING, SAY, A LARGE-SCALE SOLAR PROJECT AND HE GETS A FEW BUILDING PERMITS, DOES HE HAVE TO STOP WORKING ON THAT SOLAR ARRAY REVIEW TO DO THOSE BUILDING PERMITS OR?
>> YOU'RE BACK-AND-FORTH AND IT CAN BE CHALLENGING BECAUSE IF YOU'RE INTO THAT REVIEW AND FOCUSED ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING, RUNNING CALCULATIONS, AND THEN YOU HAVE A PERMIT THAT'S READY TO GO OUT HERE, BUT IT'S GOT SOME CRITICAL AREA REVIEW THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
HE HAS TO STOP TO DO THAT TO KEEP THAT PERMIT MOVING FORWARD, WHICH DELAYS SOME OF THE REVIEW TIME ON THE LARGER PROJECTS BECAUSE THOSE THINGS REVEAL STORMWATER, AND MATT IS THE ONE THAT DOES ALL OF THE STORMWATER REVIEW, ANY FOREST CONSERVATION WITH DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OR WITH NEW LOTS THAT HAS TO BE REVIEWED AS WELL, AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE DOING THOSE.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE HOPING TO NOT HAVE TO PULL HIM OFF OF THOSE BIG REVIEWS TO DO THE SIMPLE SMALL-TAC ADDITIONS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
>> ABSOLUTELY. ALSO, TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE THE TAC SO THAT WHEN THEY'LL BE TAKEN THE APPLICATIONS IN MAKING SURE THEY GET DISTRIBUTED, MAKING SURE WE GET ALL OF OUR COMMENTS BACK IN THAT CORRESPONDENCE IS GOING IN AND OUT QUICKER.
>> I SAW THAT YOU REMOVED THE NEED TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO MATT'S POSITION WOULD STILL HANDLE THAT PORTION OF IT.
>> YES, HE WOULD STILL PRESENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ALL OF THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVALS.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE THAT POSITION WILL STILL BE HANDLING THE REVIEW ON THOSE MAJOR?
>> OKAY. THAT'S WHY THAT WAS REMOVED. GOT YOU.
>> CAN YOU TELL ME? NOT TODAY, BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION IN YOUR HEAD, BUT AT SOME POINT, COULD YOU UPDATE ME ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COMMERCIAL SOLAR [NOISE] DIFFERENT PROJECTS?
>> WHERE ARE WE ARE? WHEN THE ANTICIPATED DATE [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. WE JUST HAD A MEETING WITH THE LARGE-SCALE ONE CHERRY WOOD, THE ONE BETWEEN GREENSBORO AND GOLDBORO.
WE JUST MET WITH THEM LAST WEEK AND GOT AN UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT WHERE THEY ARE.
THE SHORT OF IT IS THEY PLAN THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR FINAL SITE PLAN REVIEW.
MATTS ANTICIPATING ABOUT 6 WEEKS TO GET THAT BACK THROUGH TAC AND REVIEWED FOR FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, HOPEFULLY JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO WANT TO BREAK GROUND BY JULY.
THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT GOT STARTED IN 2017.
THEN WE HAVE WEIGHT POST, THE ONE THAT'S OUT BY MARY LAND MOUNT ZION AREA; THAT'S THE OTHER LARGE ONE; AND THEN THE SMALLER COMMUNITY SCALE ONE OUT BY COW BARN IS CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THEIR SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'VE ALL SECURED THEIR PRELIMINARY AND BOARD DOES ANY PILLS SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPROVALS.
>> THE OTHER TWO HAVE THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE BCA?
>> I'M SORRY, AND THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR CPCN?
>> CHERRY WOOD HAS CPCN, AND SO DOES WEIGH POST THE TWO LARGER ONES? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT COW BARN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE HASN'T YET OR NOT.
>> THEY MAY NOT BECAUSE IT'S SMALLER.
>> I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION TO 023-023.
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>> THANK YOU. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.
[8. County Administrator’s Report]
>> LET'S SEE. A COUPLE OF DATES.
REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER WORK GROUP MET ON LAST THURSDAY, THE 9TH.
ALL PARTNERS, THE JURISDICTIONS HAVE SIGN-IN LETTERS OF INTENT.
WE HAVE APPOINTED WARDEN SCOTT AS THE CONTACT FOR THE PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 STUDIES AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'RE STILL GOING ON THE PAMUNKEY REGIONAL DETENTION CENTER TOUR ON DECEMBER 4TH AND WE'LL HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOUR, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.
THE MEETING LAST THURSDAY, I THINK WAS GOOD.
MOSTLY THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD WORK WITH THE COURT SYSTEM.
EVERYTHING FROM HOW IT WORKS FOR THE COURT SYSTEM TO HOW WE WOULD FEED THE INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS.
THOSE DETAILS ARE BEING DISCUSSED AND WORKED OUT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES.
ALSO, ON THE DAY BEFORE THAT, ON THE 8TH, WE HAD A REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION MEETING WITH SEVERAL OF OUR PARTNER AGENCIES AND I THINK THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS WE WANT TO CONTINUE EXPLORING MOBILITY ON DEMAND PROGRAMS. I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH DCT AND SOME SIMILAR PROGRAMS WITH DCT HAVE HAPPENED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN WE'VE ALSO BEEN REFERRED TO OTHER COUNTIES WHO HAVE MOBILITY ON-DEMAND PROGRAMS JUST TO LOOK AT.
>> GARRETT COUNTY, BALTIMORE COUNTY MAYBE.
WE ALSO HAD A HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON EVERY AGENCY, AT LEAST IN THAT MEETING, WHO HAS TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS, THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REQUIREMENTS.
SOME CAN ONLY BE FAMILIES, SOME CAN'T TRANSPORT ADULTS, SOME CAN'T TRANSPORT KIDS HAVE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH AND SYNTHESIZED ALL THAT DATA.
>> SOMEONE WILL TRANSPORT SICK PEOPLE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, YOU CAN GO TO VISIT AT YOUR DR. BUT IF YOU'RE SICK, YOU CAN'T GO TO THAT DOCTOR'S VISIT WITH THAT TRANSPORTATION MECHANISM.
>> IT'S SMACKED OF GOVERNMENT RAN ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, BUT NOT FOR THIS AND THIS.
>> IT SEEMED LIKE EVERY AGENCY HAD THEIR RESTRICTIONS ON WHO COULD RIDE AND WHO COULDN'T RIDE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SYNTHESIZE THAT DATA AND LOOK AT SOME OTHER PROGRAMS.
>> THE STATE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET US INFORMATION ON FUNDING AVAILABILITY.
>> I ASK THEM TO GET US A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT FUNDING CAROLINE COUNTY WAS ACTUALLY ENTITLED TO, POTENTIALLY WHAT DCT IS RECEIVING ON OUR BEHALF.
BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION WHEN READILY ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE WE'RE GROUPED TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER TWO COUNTIES WITH TALBOT AND KEN.
I ASKED THAT THEY BREAK THAT OUT AND THEN I ALSO ASKED THAT THEY GIVE US A FIGURE OF WHAT THAT NUMBER COULD POTENTIALLY BE IF IT COULD GO UP IF WE PROVIDE A MORE MATCHED FUNDING.
I WANTED TO SEE WHAT IS AVAILABLE DEPENDING ON ARE WE MAXING IT OUT THROUGH THE MATCH FUNDING WE PROVIDE OR IF WE PROVIDE MORE, ARE WE ENTITLED TO MORE? THEN I ALSO ASKED HOW THAT FUNDING FORMULA WORKED.
IN OTHER WORDS, HOW THEY DETERMINED HOW MUCH MONEY WE WERE ENTITLED TO.
THEY GOT AN INTERESTING ANSWER WHICH WAS A DEPENDS ON THE SUCCESS OF YOUR EXISTENCE OF YOUR TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
DEPENDING ON HOW SUCCESSFUL IT IS, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO MORE MONEY.
BUT THEN I BROUGHT UP HOW LOW THE RIDERSHIP WAS AND THE STATE GUY SAID DON'T READ INTO THAT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S RIDERSHIP NUMBERS ARE DOWN OR BAD.
I DON'T KNOW. BUT ANYWAY, WE SHOULD ADD SOME INFORMATION COMING FROM THE STATE, HOPEFULLY.
>> THEN THE LAST ISSUE I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THE PARKING LOT DESIGN OR POTENTIAL PARKING LOT DESIGN FOR THE COURTHOUSE.
WE HAVE A NEED AND A REQUEST FROM THE STATE, I GUESS, WITH AN OFFER OF FUNDING TO HAVE MORE SECURE PARKING FOR THE COURT AND TO ADDRESS PARKING ISSUES AT THE COURTHOUSE.
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THE DESIGNS THAT I LOOKED AT, THEY TAKE UP A HUGE SPACE BEHIND THE COURTHOUSE EXPANSION OF THE PARKING LOT AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT THOSE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SHOULD USE UP THE COURTHOUSE GREEN FOR PARKING.WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AND I KNOW THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE ALREADY STARTED WORKING WITH THE TOWN OF DENTIN TO HAVE EITHER PARKING PERMITS ARE MORE PARKING AROUND THE COURTHOUSE THAT STAFF CAN USE. GO UP.
>> HELLO, IMPORTANT ONE. THIS IS THE SYSTEM HERE.
LAST ONE HE DREW UP WHAT'S GOING WAY DOWN TOWARDS THE JAIL.
>> ON THE WEST SIDE, I GUESS THE COURTHOUSE THERE'S MANY PARKING SPOTS OVER THERE THAT ARE NOT METERED.
BUT I WAS SAYING EARLIER TODAY THERE'S NO EASY ACCESS FROM THOSE PASS THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE WITHOUT GOING UP A REALLY STEEP HILL, WALKING IN THE STREET, AND WALKING ACROSS THE GRASS.
>> WELL, THESE PARKING SPACES OVER HERE EVENTUALLY SHOULD BE FREED UP BECAUSE THEY ARE DESIGNATED FOR EITHER CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS OR USED TO BE DEPUTIES.
DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M FRUSTRATED.
THIS IS BEING REQUIRED PRIMARILY FOR THE JUDGE.
>> SECURE PARKING FOR THE JUDGE.
>> IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT INCIDENT.
>> YES. I THINK THE PREVIOUS IDEA TOO WAS JUST AN ADDITION TO THE JUDGE.
INSECURITY IS JUST THE PARKING SITUATION AT THE COURTHOUSE WITH EMPLOYEES AND NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS TOO IS I THINK THERE ARE SPOTS WE CAN USE AND YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREET TO GET TO THE BUILDING FROM THOSE SPOTS.
RATHER THAN EXPAND A PARKING LOT INTO THE COURTHOUSE GREEN, MAYBE YOU CAN LOOK AT A MECHANISM, A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING.
IT WOULD COST A LOT LESS MONEY, NOT IMPACT THE CRITICAL AREAS MUCH, NOT IMPACT COURTHOUSE GREEN, BUT HAVE A SAFE WAY TO GET FROM THOSE SPOTS TO THE BUILDING.
>>I AM NOT FOR TEARING UP THE COURTHOUSE FOR THOSE.
I THINK IF WE HAVE A SITUATION, TO ME, IT WOULD ALMOST BE CHEAPER AND MORE EFFECTIVE TO DETERMINE THE HOURS THAT [NOISE] ALL THE JUDGES WOULDN'T BE HERE AND IF WE'VE GOT GUYS WORKING OUT FOR LETTING US DRIVE IN.
TO ME, THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO TURN EVERYTHING UP.
I'M NOT TEARING THIS COURTHOUSE FOR YOU.
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HEAR IT AGAIN.
YOU TALK ABOUT FIGHTS, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO HEAR THE END IF WE START FOOLING WITH THIS COURTHOUSE GROUP.
THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE AND I AGREE SAFETY IS IMPORTANT.
I WANT TO PROVIDE SAFETY, BUT TO ME, WE NORMALLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE OUT HERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE JUDGE COULDN'T CALL AHEAD AND SAY, I'M COMING IN TO PARK.
I HATE TO JUST BRING THAT UP, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A BETTER ALTERNATIVE.
>>I DON'T SEE HOW GATED AREA OR FENCED WANT TO STOP AND YOU DIDN'T [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK IT'S JUST STATE OF MIND THAT WOULD TAKE THIS.
>>I MEAN, IT'S A SHAME WE HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS, BUT WE DO.
BUT THERE'S A GOT TO BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVES THAN TO TEAR THE HOUSE UP
>>I JUST THINK THE PROPOSED PLANS JUST TAKE UP SUCH A HUGE AMOUNT OF THE GREEN.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY.
I GUESS DANNY AND I CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT.
INFORM THE SYSTEM ON WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
THEY BROUGHT UP THIS CONVERSATION BUT WE'RE YET TO SEE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY FROM THE STATE ASKING WHAT THEY WANT.
I MEAN, IS IT JUST PLAYING? HEY, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ULCER THAT'S GOING TO BE AN S4.
ARE WE LOOKING TO DO $1,000,000?
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>>YEAH. WHAT KIND OF SECURITY?
>> WHAT QUALIFIES AS SECURITY.
TO ME THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
>>WANT WE CAN REALLY SAY, HEY, THIS IS OPTION 1A THAT WE WANT TO GO WITH.
>> TODAY'S GOT MONEY TO GIVE AWAY.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT OTHER WAYS TO TAKE IT ALL VERY MUCH.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF JUST PULLING THE GREEN..
>>I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO OUT AND EXPAND OUT THERE. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>>EVEN IF WE HAD TO RECONFIGURE SOMETHING WITH THAT EXISTING SPACE, I THINK THAT'D BE A BETTER OPTION THAN EXPANDING.
>>WHAT'S GOING TO BE VERY COSTLY.
ONE IDEA THAT I WAS KICKING AROUND HERE, JUST LOOKING AT THESE DRAWINGS WAS IF YOU DID A CONNECTOR PARKING LOT BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING LOTS AND ONLY HAD THE PARKING STALLS UP AGAINST THE COURTHOUSE, THE BACK OF THE COURTHOUSE.
I CAN SHOW YOU A LITTLE SKETCH HERE I DID, AND THEN FENCE THAT AREA IN.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THREE SPACES IN OUR EXISTING LOTS TO DO THAT IN ORDER TO GAIN SEVEN.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE SIX TO GAIN SEVEN, SO YOU NET ONE PARKING SPACE.
BUT YOU DO HAVE AN AREA THAT YOU CAN FENCE IN IF THE STATE ABSOLUTELY WANTS TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE DISCUSS LATER.
>> WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, WOULD THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS?
>> THE QUESTION IS HAVE IS [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEN HOW DO YOU GET IN AND OUT OF THE FENCE?
>>DID YOU GET INTO A WHOLE SLEW OF ISSUES WITH WHO CAN GET IN THE FENCE? HOW THEY GET OUT? A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK FOR NOW, [INAUDIBLE] AND I TALKED TO HIM AND TRY TO GET SOME CLARITY ON WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO.
>> INCLUDE THE JUDGE BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I'M NOT DOWNPLAYING IT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION.
>> MAINLY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOME AGREEMENT NOT TO TEAR UP THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE GREEN.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT IF WE CAN AVOID IT.
>>ONCE YOU TEAR UP THAT PARKING LOT THERE, IT'S JUST ALWAYS BE A PARKING LOT RIGHT IN THE TOWN.
>>COUNTY COMMISSIONER OPEN DISCUSSION PERIOD MR BART'S.
[9.County Commissioners Open Discussion Period]
>> I HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY AND TO DEVELOP VERSUS OTHERS WHO ARE AGING IN THE TOWN OF FELLOWS WERE JUST LOOKING AT REVITALIZING SENIOR SAY A LITTLE BIT THEN A LITTLE BIT OF FACELIFT THING ESPECIALLY THE TOWN, IT WAS A BUILDING BLOCK FOR SURE.
AGING JUST KICKING AROUND WHAT THEY CAN HELP OUT TO MAKE IT BETTER.
THEY HAVE A NEW DIRECTORY THAT STARTED.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THE GENE TO JUST NOW IF DIRECTORS SHOULD ADD NOT MUCH GOING ON LIKE THAT OR GET BACK TO WHERE IT [INAUDIBLE].
>> DIDN'T THEY END THE CALL SAY THAT THERE WAS MONEY AVAILABLE TO RENOVATE.
THEY STILL HAVE THEY GOT TO OFFER MONEY STILL.
SO THE OFFER MONEY HAS CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS, BUT THE RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN LIFTED SO THEY CAN DO.
>> WHO HAS BEEN PROMOTING ROLE? OFFICER [INAUDIBLE].
>> CONTACTED ACTUALLY YESTERDAY BY A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BENEDICTINE WITH SCHOOL WHO HAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A TEST BACK IN JUNE.
I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY RESPONSE.
KATHLEEN, I MENTIONED IT TO HER THIS MORNING AND SHE'S REACHING OUT, FIND OUT WHY IT'S TAKING THIS LONG.
IT SHOULD NOT TAKE THIS LONG FOR SOMEBODY TO GET AN ANSWER INTO SOMEBODY.
WHEN WE HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU, LET ME KNOW, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHY IT'S TAKING THIS LONG FOR THEM TO RESPOND.
THERE ARE A LOT OF MEETINGS IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE BEING SCHEDULED
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ABOUT SOLAR AND I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL THESE.BRUCE, BERGSON AND STEVE HAVE REACHED OUT ABOUT POSSIBILITY OF MEETING.
IT MAY GO I THINK I'VE GONE TO SET MY SCHEDULE TO MEET WITH THEM AT 1:30 ON THURSDAY, WHATEVER DAY THAT IS.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I WANT TO TALK TO THEM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
CRITICAL AREAS COMMISSION MEETING SOME TIME HERE SAYING.
>> TO ADD TO THE EMAIL THAT BERGSON ABOUT THE CPC IN HEARING.
THE WRITTEN COMMENTS I THINK I READ WERE DUE BY DECEMBER 1ST AND THE HEARING IS BEING HELD DECEMBER 15TH AT 10:00 AM AT THE WILLIAM DONALD SHAFFER TOWER IN BALTIMORE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE OVER THERE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY DRAFT SOME WRITTEN COMMENTS TO HAVE FOR THEM BEFORE THAT HEARING.
>> I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR US, PROBABLY TWO OR THREE BASED BATTERY STORAGE.
THE PRE-EMPTION ON OUR REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS LOT OF ACRES IN THE COUNTIES COULD RECOVER, AND THE FINANCIAL PART ABOUT ANY PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAX PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE CHERRY WOOD.
I THINK WE ARE WORKING ON AN AGREEMENT, CLOSE TO AN AGREEMENT I THINK.
I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRE-EMPTION ON BOTH THE LAND COVERAGE AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS COME ALONG YOUR PRODUCT CONTROL REVENUE BECAUSE, I'M HEARING SOME RUMBLINGS ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL START HERE SOON AND I'M SURE THAT'LL BE AN ISSUE THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED.
I THINK ANOTHER UNRELATED ISSUE IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE DISCUSSION IS RAMPING UP ABOUT GAS TAX AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE GOT TO GET INVOLVED IN.
THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY WE WOULD ADDRESS AND BE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR BOTH THE FINANCIAL PART AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH BATTERY STORAGE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT NOBODY EVER WANTS TO COME TO A CONCLUSION.
>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MORATORIUM STILL, AND WE HAD DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT HAS TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, AT LEAST ON THE LOCAL LEVEL. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
>> FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I CAN STAY ON THERE FOR SURE.
WE WILL FORM A MOVE LIKE THAT.
>> YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE CPC AND PROCESS TO REALLY KNOW WHAT COMMENTS, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR HERE.
DID THEY APPROVE THE BATTERY STORAGE COMPONENTS? THAT PART OF IT? WOULD THEY BE THE AGENCY THAT PREEMPTED US IF WE WERE TO STAY WITH THE MORATORIUM?
>> I THINK THEY WOULD BE THE AGENCY THAT.
>> AT A MINIMUM, IF IT WAS TIED TO A SOLAR ARRAY OR ANY KIND OF GREEN ENERGY OR ENERGY AT ALL. REALLY?
>> MODERN NON-LEGAL OPINION ON THIS WOULD BE THAT ONCE THESE REGULATIONS GET PASSED THROUGH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GOING TO COME ALONG AND SAY, YOU CAN HAVE A MORE AS LONG AS THESE COMPANIES COMPLY WITH THE FIRE MARSHALL REQUIREMENTS, YOU'RE NO LONGER GOING TO BE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
>> THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO COME.
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>> EXACTLY. OKAY. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING DRAFTED BY DECEMBER 1ST AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT DECEMBER 15TH IF WE JUST LET BRUCE OR STEVE REPRESENTATIVE THERE OR HOW THAT COMES ABOUT.
THE OTHER DID YOU EVER, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE AT THE SHA SORRY, I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE NAME BUT THE PERSON BUT THERE IS A PUBLIC MEETING AT DENTIN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON DECEMBER 6 FROM 5-7.
THAT'S A DENTIN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, DECEMBER 6TH, FROM 5-7, REGARDING THE 404 DEPOLARIZATION OR FOR OR FOR IMPROVEMENTS FROM REACHED 16 GREENWOOD ROAD BACK TO, I GUESS WE'RE 16 HARMONY ROAD.
SO THE DUALIZATION FROM THE NEW RURAL FARM, SO ON FOR FOUR TO THE BLINKING LIGHT AVERAGE 16 GREENWOOD ROAD.
IT IS FROM WHAT I RECALL READING, IT IS NOT A FORMAL PUBLIC MEETING WHERE YOU'D HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN SPEAK ONE-ON-ONE WITH STATE REPRESENTATIVES TO GIVE THEM YOUR CONCERNS OR COMMENTS, APPROVAL, WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR WHATEVER.
I THINK IT'S A PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE PROJECT MAY LOOK LIKE AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS TO GIVE THEIR OPINIONS.
>>IT'S THE FIRST DAY OF MY BIRTHDAY.
>> YEAH, I KNOW IT'S ALL EVERYTHING'S BEEN IN DO A MAKEUP FROM 5-7.
I'M TRYING TO THINK A LITTLE BIT.
NINE I THINK KATHLEEN COVERED IT.
YEAH. ALRIGHT. [BACKGROUND] ANYTHING ELSE?
>> GOOD, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
[10.Public Comment]
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? MR. BAKER?>> YES, JEREMY BAKER, AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHO I AM.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR ROADS, OUR HIGHWAYS, AND JURISDICTION AND ONE THING AND ANOTHER, THEY'RE TORE UP, THEY'RE HARD TO TRAVEL, THEY'RE UNSAFE AND NOBODY REALLY SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S TIME THAT THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AND THE TOWN COORDINATE THEIR EFFORTS AND DECIDE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SOME OF THESE ROADS.
FOR INSTANCE, GAZE STREET, GAZE STREET GOES TO STATE HIGHWAY.
THE TOWN WON'T SWEEP IT, WON'T CLEAN IT ONE THING OR ANOTHER.
IT WAS IN THE LAST MONTH OR BEEN DOING SINCE WHERE IT'S BEEN CLOSED OFF WITHOUT ANY PROPER NOTIFICATION AND A PROBLEM TIME.
IN THE LAST RECRUITE STATE, HIGHWAY, EMPLOYEES WERE TRYING TO DIRECT TRAFFIC.
THEY WERE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO VIOLATE THE LAW, GO THE WRONG WAY ON A ONE-WAY STREET WITH TRAFFIC STILL FLOWING BOTH WAYS, SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.
FINALLY, AFTER ABOUT AN HOUR OF CONFRONTATION, A SUPERVISOR FROM THE STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT ARRIVED FROM OVER ON THE WESTERN SHORE.
EVIDENTLY, THE LINE HAD BEEN TORN DOWN ELECTRIC LINE WAS CAUSING EMERGENCY AND HER MURDERED EXHIBIT AS RAISES TO CLOSE ROADS.
BUT YOU DON'T JUST CLOSE THE ROAD AND JUMP PEOPLE AROUND.
YOU'VE GOT TO DRIVE AROUND, DRIVE AROUND WHERE? THERE'S NO PLACE TO DRIVE AROUND EXCEPT TO A PRIVATE PARKING LOT.
YOU DON'T DIRECT PEOPLE TO VIOLATE THE LAW TO TAKE CARE OF A TEMPORARY CONDITION ON THE ROAD.
I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AND THE TOWN, THEY CAN'T BURY THE HATCHET AND GET SOME OF THESE ROADS CLEANED UP WHERE PEOPLE CAN TRAVEL SAFELY AGAIN.
BUT I'M SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WOULD BE TO SELL.
MAYBE I NOTICED EVERYBODY SHOWED TO HELP.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE INVOLVED.
BUT YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE CREWS OUT ON THE HIGHWAY WITHOUT
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ANY SUPERVISION CORRECTING THINGS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO ANY COORDINATION WITH YET AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL.
I KNOW WHAT THE FIBER OPTIC TEAR UP OF ALL THE STREETS THAT'S CAUSED PROBLEMS. I KNOW THERE'S SOME RESURFACING PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON TO CAUSE PROBLEMS, BUT WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. BAKER, I WAS VERY SURPRISED WITH THE METHOD OF WORK THAT THE CONTRACTOR WAS EMPLOYING, SPECIFICALLY TRAFFIC CONTROL THE OTHER DAY WHEN I CAME THROUGH IT WAS A BIT SUBPAR TO SAY THE LEAST.
I FELT THAT THE STATE NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BETTER REPRESENTATION ON SITE, HAVE BETTER INSPECTORS OWN SITE.
I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANY STATE VEHICLES WHEN I CAME THROUGH, BUT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY OF CONCERN.
>> WE HAD A VEHICLE BARGAIN PASTRY ON THE BOTTOM LINE WHERE YOU TURN OFF FROM 404 COMING IN AT THEY HAD A VEHICLE BETWEEN MARKET STREET AND GAYE STREET WITH THE BIG BARRICADE AND BITE OF IT AND BLENDING LIKE SAID, ROADWORK AHEAD.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING.
IT DOES NOT SAY ROAD CLOSED, ANYTHING ELSE.
AGAIN, THEY ADD IN BOYS THERE, THREE OF THEM BEHIND UP ACROSS THE ROAD WITH TRAFFIC CONES AND THEY WERE TURNING PEOPLE AROUND ON GAYE STREET TO DRIVE BACK WHEN PEOPLE WERE STILL COME AGAIN IT OFF ROAD ON MARKET STREET ON TO GAYE STREET.
YOU HAD TO TWO WAY TRAFFIC THERE ON A ONE WAY ROAD AND THEY WERE DIRECTING PEOPLE TO GO BACK WITH NO SIGNING NOBODY RECOGNIZING ANYTHING.
I JUST DIDN'T GET A COUPLE OF NAMES AND MADISON BUT A COUPLE MURPHY WAS GIVEN THE NAME.
I SAID I WORKED FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WE GOT JURISDICTION HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER HERE TWO FEET AWAY.
>> THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE THE TRUCK DRIVER WAS DUMPING MELONS AND THEN HE FORGOT TO PUT THE BODY DOWN APPARENTLY AND RIP THE POWER LINES DOWN.
>> THE EMERGENCY TRAFFIC CONTROL RIGHT.
>> OCCURRED AFTER THE EMERGENCY WITH NOBODY THERE AND AN ARGUMENT ABOUT JURISDICTION.
ANOTHER WORD, YOU GOT A STREET, YOU GOT TO PUT SOMEBODY IN CHARGE IF IT'S CONCURRENT JURISDICTION FINE.
IF IT'S EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION FINE, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO WORK IT OUT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT.
LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES A GREAT JOB WHEN THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SIDES, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF.
>> YES, MY NAME IS WILLIAM BROWN AND I REPRESENT LOCK SCHOOL ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ARE THE DIALOGUE WITH THE LOCK MOON MIDDLE SCHOOL.
I READ IN THE PAPER, WHERE IS THE STATEMENT MADE THAT POSSIBILITY OF A NEW SCHOOL.
WHAT I'M REQUESTING IS TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN OR BE A PART OF THOSE MEETINGS.
THERE'S REFERENCES TO THE CONCERNS AND DIRECTION THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TO SATISFY AND COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE PREMISES AND NAMES AND THE HISTORIC VALUES.
>> ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU COULD LEAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION WITH SOMEONE WE'LL MAKE SURE AS THOSE DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE, THAT WE'LL INCLUDE YOUR ORGANIZATION AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ARE VERY EARLY.
THIS IS JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE AT THIS POINT, BUT IT IS TO BUILD A NEW MIDDLE SCHOOL SOMEWHERE.
THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE WHAT THAT EXISTING BUILDING BECOME, WHAT WE USE IT AS OFFICE SPACE.
COMMISSIONER PORTER AND WIKSLEY BEEN REACHED OUT TO ABOUT YMCA, THAT MAY BE A POTENTIAL SPOT WE COULD REPURPOSE AND USE AS
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A YMCA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE BUILDING, TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING, I THINK ABSOLUTELY. WE SHOULD.>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT NAMING AND ALL THAT TOO.
>> YEAH, KEEPING THE NAME OF THE BUILDING.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LIKE I SAID, [NOISE] YOU COULD LEAVE US YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. ANY COMMENT? GOOD. AT THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT OR ASSIGNMENT OF
[11.Meeting Adjourned]
COUNTY EMPLOYEES ON THEIR AUTHORITY 2014 MARYLAND CODE, STATE GOVERNMENT 3-305B.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.