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OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE TEMPORARY APPLICATIONS.WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT, AND DENTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST ON OUR LIST.
[Denton VFC-Gun Bash]
YOU COME FORWARD FOR US, WE GET YOU STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.I'LL GET YOU GO TAKE CARE OF THE OATH.
DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE, AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> RONALD WIEBER, 1,300 CHOICE [INAUDIBLE] CIRCLE. [INAUDIBLE]
[INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE NOT WORKING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] BUT IT'S NOT WORKING. DID YOU [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE UP.
>> THEY ARE WANTING TO DO THEIR ANNUAL GUN BASH FUND RAISER.
IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN.
>> WE'VE HAD A GUN BASH FOR ABOUT THE PAST 11 TO 12 YEARS AT THE FIREHOUSE.
WE'RE COMING TO THE BOARD TO ASK FOR A TEMPORARY LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THIS ONE DAY EVENT.
IN THE PAST, WE'VE USUALLY GOT A TEN EVENT LICENSE THROUGH YOU.
BUT WITH JUST THE EVENTS THAT HAVE GONE DOWNHILL AND FUND RAISING HARDER AND HARDER TO DO, WE DECIDED TO GO FROM AN EVENT TO AN EVENT TYPE LIQUOR LICENSE, IF YOU WILL.
>> DID YOU DO ONE LAST YEAR? DID WE APPROVE ONE FOR THE LAST LAST YEAR?
>> LAST YEAR ACTUALLY WE STILL GOT THE TEN EVENT LIQUOR LICENSE.
THIS YEAR WE REVERTED BACK TO THE WE WOULD COME TO THE LIQUOR BOARD, JUST EVENT BASIS NEED.
>> MR. WIEBER, YOU WANT TO TELL THE BOARD YOUR DATE AND TIME, AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SELLING, AND IS IT TICKET SALES?
>> THE EVENT WILL BE ON JUNE 1ST.
THE LAST PRIZE IS DONE AT SIX O'CLOCK.
BEER, SODA, WATER IS ALL INCLUDED WITH THE TICKET PRICE.
IF YOU WANT ANYTHING THAT HAS LIQUOR, THAT WILL BE SOLD THROUGH A CASH BAR FROM A BAR THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE FIREHOUSE.
BUT WE WILL HAVE A BEER WAGON BY KELLY DISTRIBUTORS IN OUR LAST DAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIREHOUSE WILL BE THE FARTHEST BAY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE PARK THAT INSIDE.
USUALLY, KELLY WILL DROP THAT OFF THURSDAY NIGHT, FRIDAY NIGHT, DEPENDING ON THEIR SCHEDULE.
WE WILL SERVE BEER OUT OF THAT AND WE WILL HAVE A TABLE OFF AS WELL AS WE'LL SELL BEER, LIQUOR, AND WINE BEHIND OUR BAR THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ACTUAL SOCIAL HALL.
IN THE FRONT, IN THE FOYER, WE WILL GO AND WHERE PEOPLE GO AND COME IN FOR THE EVENT, THEY WILL PRESENT THEIR TICKET AS WELL AS THEIR ID.
WE ALSO HAVE OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE PART OF OUR ORGANIZATION.
WE USUALLY STICK THEM THERE TO GO AND CARD EVERYBODY AND PUT A BRACELET ON TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE OVER THE AGE OF 21.
THEN WE MONITOR THAT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS ALL INDOOR EVENT.
THERE'S NO WANDERING OUT ON THE PARKING LOT OR OUT ON THE FRONT CONCRETE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR TRUCKS PARKED OBVIOUSLY.
>> CORRECT. THE TRUCKS WILL BE UP FRONT ON THE ON THE APRON, ON THE SIDE WE DID HAVE AN ISSUE, IF YOU WILL LAST YEAR WITH A BATHROOM JUST BECAUSE THE QUANTITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE A BATHROOM JUST CAN'T HANDLE IT.
WE DID GET A RESTROOM TRAILER, SO ON THE DRAWING THERE WILL BE A RESTROOM TRAILER.
WE WILL HAVE THAT CONED OFF WITH SOME THINGS.
THE POTENTIAL IS THERE THAT SOMEBODY COULD WANDER OUT TO THE BATHROOM, BUT WE WILL HAVE IT GO AND CONED OFF WITH CAUTION TAPE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE CAN LEAVE THAT PREMISES.
PROBABLY BE MAYBE A 20 BY 30 AREA JUST SO THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THAT SIDE DOOR AND THE RESTROOMS AND POSSIBLY SMOKING AREA.
>> I'VE ATTENDED THESE IN THE PAST.
THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD A PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM SET UP FOR IT.
THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY MUCH ON TOP OF DOING THE CARTING AS THEY COME IN WITH DOING THE WRISTBANDS AND EVERYTHING.
THEN ALSO AT THE BEER TRUCK, I DON'T REMEMBER IF, HAVE YOU ALWAYS HAD THE BAR SET UP?
>> I'VE ALWAYS JUST REMEMBER THAT THEY HAD THE BEER TRUCK IN THE WAGON.
>> I SAY PROBABLY 19% OF EVERYBODY USING THE BEER TRUCK.
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>> I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE TEMPORARY APPLICATION FOR THE DENTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY TO HOLD A GUN DASH IN JUNE 1ST, FROM NOON TO SIX.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS ONE DAY LICENSE FOR THE DENTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY'S GUN BASH ON JUNE 1ST.
>> BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE OF THE THINGS, BECAUSE DENTON FIRE COMPANY HAS BEEN DOING THE MULTIPLE EVENT LICENSE NOW FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UNDER THAT LICENSE, THE FIRE COMPANIES GET THE ABILITY TO STORE ALCOHOL.
YOU CAN NO LONGER DO THAT UNDER THE ONE DAY LICENSES, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT RUNS INTO A PROBLEM FOR THE FIRE COMPANY OR NOT.
>> I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT WITH THE VALUE.
>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE ONLY RESOLUTION OF THAT WOULD BE TO FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE A MULTI EVENT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO STORE THE ALCOHOL, BUT THAT PROVISION IS ONLY THERE FOR THE FIRE COMPANIES FOR MULTI EVENT LICENSES.
BECAUSE THE ANTICIPATION IS YOU'RE HAVING A NUMBER OF EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND WE WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE TO DISPOSE OF THE ALCOHOL AFTER EACH EVENT, WHICH SEVERAL OF OUR OTHERS CHOOSE TO DO BECAUSE IT'S ONE OR TWO EVENTS A YEAR SO THEY DON'T KEEP THE ALCOHOL.
>> CORRECT. WOULD THE BOARD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE? TEN EVENTS SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE MUCH RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST FOR OUR FIREHOUSE.
JUST WITH THE EVENTS AND THE HALL RENTALS BEING ON A DOWNWARD TREND, COULD WE HALF THAT POSSIBLY TO MAYBE LIKE A FIVE EVENT MULTI LICENSE.
JUST ASKING. BUT ABSOLUTELY WE CAN.
>> UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S UNDER THE STATE LAW.
THE MINIMUM IS 10 THAT YOU PURCHASE, WHETHER YOU USE THEM OR NOT.
>> GOT YOU. SHOULD I GO AND REAPPLY FOR A MULTI LICENSE MOVING FORWARD?
>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO DO TO CLEAR THAT UP TODAY BEFORE YOU LEAVE.
IF YOU NEED TO ENTERTAIN PROVING A MULTI EVENT LICENSE IN LIEU OF THE ONE DAY LICENSE, WE CAN HAVE THEM COMPLETE THE APPLICATION AFTER THE MEETING.
BUT IF YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS THAT.
>> I'M FINE WITH IT. BUT IS THERE MORE MONEY INVOLVED IN THAT?
>> THE ONE DAY TEMPORARY LICENSES ARE $50 PER EVENT.
UNDER THE MULTI EVENT, BECAUSE THEY BUY THEM IN GROUPS, IT EQUATES TO ABOUT $25 PER LICENSE.
BUT THE MINIMUM YOU CAN PURCHASE IS 10 AT A TIME.
>> A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLAR. IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT.
>> WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF WE DISCUSS AND APPROVE AND DENTON GOES AHEAD AND APPLIES FOR THE MULTI EVENT, INSTEAD OF THEM PAYING FOR THIS EVENT AND THE MULTI EVENT, CAN ONE OF THIS.
>> WHAT WE'LL DO IS IF THE BOARD WANTS TO ENTERTAIN TODAY IN LIEU OF ISSUING THE ONE DAY LICENSE DOING THE MULTI EVENT, GIVEN THE MULTI EVENT APPROVAL, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE PAPERWORK AFTERWARDS AND THE ADDITIONAL FEE.
>> WE WERE JUST DOING IT JUST AS A CALLING BUT THAT DOES MAKE SENSE LOGISTICALLY.
THAT IF WE JUST GO AND APPLY FOR THE MULTI EVENT THEN.
>> WE COULD JUST DO THE CHEAPEST ONE WHICH IS 250.
>> BECAUSE OF YOUR BAR IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM,
>> CORRECT. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> AS IT IS NOW THEY CLOSED THE BAR UP, THEN THEY'RE DONE UNTIL THE NEXT EVENT, THEY OPEN UP BAR, THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING THERE?
>> I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THEM GETTING A MULTI EVENT.
>> ARE YOU THINKING TO JUST DO THE MINIMUM 10 EVENT?
>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF 10.
>> IN LIEU OF I'M DOING THE ONE DAY TRYING TO DO THAT ANNUAL 10 EVENT FOR THE YEAR.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE DENTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY FOR A TEN EVENT MULTI LICENSE, IN LIEU OF DOING THE LICENSE TODAY FOR THE GUN BASH.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVED THE FIRE COMPANY'S YEARLY TEN EVENT LICENSE.
>> I JUST REAPPLY FOR IT AND SUBMIT THE PAPERWORK AGAIN?
>> I CAN DO THAT. CAN YOU GUYS GIVE ME UNTIL ABOUT NOON TODAY?
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>> DO YOU NEED ME TO EMAIL THE APPLICATION TO YOU?
>> IF YOU WONT THE MIND, THAT'D BE GREAT, AND THEN I CAN FILL IT OUT.
I HAD SOME SYSTEM SCRATCHER WORK UNFORTUNATELY, LAST NIGHT, SO I GO BACK REAL QUICK.
GET THOSE THEN I CAN FILL THAT OUT.
ABSOLUTELY. THEN JUST MAIL CHECK TO THE COMMISSIONERS AGAIN?
>> YES. YOU CAN JUST DO THE ADDITIONAL 200, SAME AS YOU DID BEFORE CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
>> OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY.
[Caroline County Public Library-Murder Mystery Dinner Theatre]
I CAN HAVE YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> THANK YOU. PLEASE BE SEATED.
>> CAROLINE COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY IS LOOKING TO DO THEIR MURDER MYSTERY DINNER THEATER, MARCH 8TH AND 9TH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN.
>> THANKS. [LAUGHTER] THIS IS AN ANNUAL EVENT THAT WE USED TO HOLD AT THE LIBRARY PRE-PANDEMIC THAT REALLY OUTGREW THE LIBRARY SPACE.
WE CO-SPONSOR THIS WITH THE ARTS COUNCIL AND WE DID THE LITERARY EVENT IN THE FALL AT THE COUNTRY CLUB AND IT WORKED REALLY WELL, SO IN THE SET UP IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE LITERARY EVENT FOR THE MURDER MYSTERY DINNER THEATER.
THE EVENT IS ENTIRELY INSIDE SO NO ALCOHOL GOES OUTSIDE AND THE BAR IS IN THE INTERIOR THERE.
SO IT'S WELL CONTROLLED AND IT IS A TWO-DAY EVENT SO WE HAVE BASICALLY TWO ONE-DAY LIQUOR LICENSES.
IT'S A CASH BAR, WINE AND BEER ONLY, ALONG WITH SODAS.
>> YOU'RE USING THE BAR THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CLUB BUILDING, CORRECT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S THEIR BAR BUT WE BRING OUR WINE [OVERLAPPING] AND BEER IN.
YEAH. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE THAT VENUE BACK.
>>IT IS. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH EVENTS IN THERE.
EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE THE MAIN ROOM THERE?
YOU HAVE ALL YOUR TIPS CERTIFICATION.
>> I'M TIPS CERTIFIED AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE BARTENDING THAT WILL BE TIPS CERTIFIED.
>> I GUESS YOU CHECK THE ID'S AT THE DOOR.
>> THEY REGISTER AHEAD OF TIME.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU. THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
>> ACTUALLY, IT'D BE FUN BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THEY'RE COMING TO A FUNERAL HOME FOR A MEMORIAL SERVICE, SO IT MIGHT BE A FUN EXTRA THEN.
[LAUGHTER] MAYBE WE CAN GET RANDY MOORE TO COME IN AND DO THAT FOR US.
>> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. [LAUGHTER] REALLY GOOD.
>> BUT IF YOU RECOMMEND THAT, WE'LL DO.
>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHECK THERE EVEN THOUGH THEY BOUGHT A TICKET ONLINE OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PERSON HANDLING THAT TICKET IS OF AGE.
>> MAYBE WE'LL GET RANDY TO WORK ON THAT. THAT'LL BE EASY.
>> HE WAS ON MY LIST TO CALL ANYWAY BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT'D BE FUN TO GET HIM INVOLVED.
>> [LAUGHTER] I'VE GOT NO ISSUES.
>> I HAVE NO ISSUES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD THE EVENT [OVERLAPPING] BEFORE.
>> I'LL MAKE IT. [OVERLAPPING] I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TEMPORARY, OR SAY, TWO-DAY LICENSE FOR CAROLINE COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR MARCH 8TH AND 9TH FROM 6:00 PM TO 9:30 PM, BOTH NIGHTS FOR BEER, WINE. IT'S A CASH BAR.
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>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR THEIR MURDER MYSTERY DINNER THEATER ON IT'S MARCH 8TH AND 9TH.
>> THANK YOU VERY [OVERLAPPING] MUCH.
>> THERE'S STILL TIME TO GET TICKETS.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK SATURDAY MAYBE HAD FULL, BUT WE STILL HAVE ROOM FRIDAY NIGHT.
>> WHERE DO YOU GET THE TICKETS?
>> GO TO THE ARTS COUNCIL WEBSITE.
YOU CAN GET THEM ONLINE OR JUST STOP BY THE FOUNDRY.
NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
[Chamber of Commerce-Artisan Market]
>> YOUR TURN, TRACEY. [LAUGHTER]
>> THERE YOU GO. [LAUGHTER] DO THE OATH.
>> DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> TRACEY SNYDER, 8907 [INAUDIBLE].
>> THANK YOU. NOW YOU MAY BE SEATED.
>> IT'S OUR ARTISAN [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S OUR ARTISAN MARKET. WE'RE ONLY DOING TWO THIS YEAR.
ONE IS AT THE COW BARN THIS WEEKEND AND THEN WE'LL BE DOING ONE, HOPEFULLY, AT THE BOAT CLUB AGAIN IN DECEMBER.
WE ARE GOING TO DO BEER, WINE, MOMOSAS.
I'M THE TIPS CERTIFIED PERSON.
WE WOULD ID THEM AT THE BAR AND GIVE THEM A WRISTBAND IF THEY WERE DRINKING BEVERAGES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THAT.
ALL THE VENDORS ARE INSIDE BECAUSE THE WEATHER THEY'RE NOT PUTTING ANYONE OUTSIDE.
SO THEY'LL WALK IN, WALK THROUGH, SHOP.
WE'LL HAVE A SEATING AREA UP TOP.
WE HAVE A CHEF THERE THAT WILL BE SELLING FOOD, CUPCAKE PERSON, AND A GLUTEN-FREE PERSON TOO.
SO THEY'LL BE STUFF FOR THEM TO SHOP BY, LOOK.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T STAY SUPER LONG, THEY RUN THROUGH, DO A LITTLE SHOPPING, AND OUT THEY GO.
IF THEY HAVE ONE WINE, GREAT, IF THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LIGHT ON IT IS WHAT MY PLAN IS.
IT'S ONLY A THREE-HOUR EVENT, AND WE'VE DONE THIS LAST YEAR AT THE WARS, BUT WE MOVED IT TO THE CAVERN.
THE WARS IS JUST ON THE WATER, THAT WIND, [NOISE].
YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM OUTSIDE LIKE THAT.
>> [LAUGHTER] THEY'LL BLOW IN. IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
>> BETTER THAN THE FALL LAST DECEMBER. [LAUGHTER]
BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT GOING NO MATTER WHAT. I'M DETERMINED.
SO IT'S PRETTY LIGHT, PRETTY EASY, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A TEMPORARY LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THE EVENT SO WE CAN OFFER IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE CHAMBER, THEY DO A NUMBER OF LICENSES A YEAR, BUT THE MULTI-EVENT LICENSE RESTRICTS IT TO ONE SOLE LOCATION, AND THEY GO ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
>> WE DO, WE GO ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
>> WHICH IS NICE BECAUSE YOU TAKE PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT VENUES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING THAT YOU GUYS DO.
>> THE MULTI-EVENTS WORK WELL FOR STATIONARY LIKE THE FIRE HALLS, THAT ALL OF THEIR EVENTS ARE GENERALLY AT THAT LOCATION.
I BELIEVE ADKINS HAS IN THE PAST WORKED WITH OR THOUGHT ABOUT DOING MULTI-EVENTS THERE BECAUSE GENERALLY THEIR EVENTS ARE AT THEIR LOCATION.
>> YOU HAVE TO SEE ME MORE THAN ONCE.
YOU HAVE TO SEE ME SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR.
>> WE USUALLY GET TO SEE YOU SEVERAL TIMES.
WE ENJOY SEEING YOU. [LAUGHTER]
>> I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME EVENTS IN THE COW BARN HERE RECENTLY, AND I KNEW THAT THEY HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT MAYBE GETTING A LICENSE FOR WHERE.
>> THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH ZELIE.
THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE WITH ZELIE COLLISON, WHO'S THE OWNER.
IF THEY WERE TO PURSUE GETTING A PERMANENT LICENSE, THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE COUNTY ASKING FOR A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE TO CREATE A NEW TYPE OF LICENSE FOR AN EVENT VENUE, AND I THINK THE BOARD'S BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THAT, BUT IT DROPPED OFF BECAUSE IF SHE WERE TO GET A PERMANENT LICENSE, SHE COULD NO LONGER ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR OWN ALCOHOL FOR THEIR EVENTS.
>> EVEN IN STRICT EVENTS LIKE THAT?
>> HER WEDDINGS WERE HER BIGGEST EVENTS,
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AND A LOT OF THOSE WANTED TO BRING THEIR OWN ALCOHOL.SHE JUST WANTED THE LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO DO HER OWN SMALLER EVENTS, WHETHER IT BE A TRIVIA NIGHT OR A SMALL MEETING AND PROVIDE ALCOHOL, BUT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP HER BIGGEST MONEY MAKER, WHICH WAS THE WEDDINGS AND ALLOWING THEM TO BE ABLE TO BRING HER OWN ALCOHOL.
>> THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHERE THAT WAS.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEMS. NO QUESTIONS, CONCERNS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A TEMPORARY LICENSE APPLICATION FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO HOLD AN ARTISAN MARKET, ON MARCH 2ND, 2024 AT THE COW BARN.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS LICENSE FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ARTISAN MARKET ON MARCH 2ND.
>> NOW I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT MACTOBERFEST.
>> IS IT OKAY TO ASK THAT NOW? [LAUGHTER]
>> I CAN ASK AFTER EVERYONE ELSE IS DONE, I CAN WAIT OR I CAN ASK YOU.
WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING IS MOVING IT TO THE 4- H PARK AGAIN, WHICH IS WHERE WE STARTED FROM.
WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING MAC AND CHEESE AND BEER.
MY BOARD ASKED ME TO ASK YOU AS A BOARD, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY TO DO MAC AND CHEESE DOWN ONE SIDE AND ALMOST LIKE A BEER, MACTOBERFEST COMBINATION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD GET A LITTLE CUP LIKE THEY DID IN HOUSTON.
YOU GET TO SAMPLE THE BEER ALONG THE WAY.
THERE IS A ONE DAY ON PREMISE LICENSE FOR YOUR EVENT, BUT YOU CAN ALSO DO BEER AND WINE TASTING.
HOPEFULLY BY JULY WE'LL HAVE LIQUOR TASTING IN THERE, WHICH I KNOW ROBIN'S WAITING FOR.
[LAUGHTER] YOU CAN DO A BEER AND WINE TASTING.
IT WILL LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF OUNCES OF BEER THAT THE PERSON CAN CONSUME IN THE TASTING.
BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO A TASTING.
NOW, NEVER HAD THIS QUESTION COME UP BUT COULD YOU DO A TASTING PLUS IF SHE WANTED TO DO BOTH, LIKE HAVE TASTINGS PLUS ALSO, HEY, WE TASTED THIS, NOW WE WANT TO BUY A BEER TO HAVE WITH THE FOOD.
COULD SHE DO TWO DIFFERENT TYPE LICENSES ON THE SAME DAY?
>> BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING SOMEBODY CRAFT BREWERIES COME?
>> DON'T THEY HAVE FREE LICENSES?
>> AREN'T THEY UNDER A DIFFERENT REGULATION.
>> THEY WOULD BE UNDER THE STATE AND WHAT THEY CAN DO UNDER THEIR PROMOTIONAL LICENSE THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE STATE.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE STATE, TRACEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET ANYTHING FOR HER TO DO IT, BUT IF SHE WERE TO DO THE TASTING HERSELF.
>> IF THEY CAME IN AS VENDORS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN.
BUT WE AS THE CHAMBER WOULD STILL WANT TO GET A TEMPORARY PERMIT FOR THE BEER TRUCK LIKE WE DO TYPICALLY.
TYPICALLY WE HAVE BEER AND SOME WINE AT MACTOBERFEST.
AGAIN, NONE OF OUR EVENTS BECOME BIG DRINKERS, BUT IF WE HAVE BEER, WE JUST THOUGHT IF WE HAD CRAP BEER ON ONE SIDE AND THE MACARONI AND CHEESE ON THE OTHER, THAT'S A VERY GOOD COMBINATION.
BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO PURSUE THAT IF THE BOARD WOULD SAY, NO WAY, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE OR WHATEVER.
IF WE'RE OUT THERE AT THE 4-H PARK, WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR OUT THERE, BUT IF WE'RE AT THE 4-H PARK, THAT GIVES US A PARAMETER THAT WE CAN REMAIN IN.
WE'RE NOT WANDERING OFF ANYWHERE.
IT'S NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN STREETS.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOCATION FOR US AND IF IT RAINS, WE GOT THE BIG GREEN BUILDING THAT WE CAN CONTAIN EVERYONE IN.
BUT MY BOARD ASKED ME YESTERDAY TO ASK YOU IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO.
>> I WOULD DEFINITELY TALK TO THE BREWERIES OR WINERIES OR WHOMEVER YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE THERE FOR THE TASTING.
BECAUSE SOME OF THEM DON'T WANT TO USE THEIR NUMBER THAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO.
THEY'RE LIKE, NO, YOU GET YOUR OWN TASTING LICENSE.
WE DON'T WANT TO USE ONE OF OURS FOR THE EVENT, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THEM AS LONG AS THEY'RE DOING IT UNDER THEIR LICENSE.
YOU WOULDN'T NEED THE LICENSE JUST FOR YOUR BEER TRUCK.
>> BUT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO USE IT I CAN APPLY BEFORE YOU WITH THE FULL DETAILS FOR TASTING.
>> STEWART, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING IN THE REGS THAT WOULD SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE THE TWO LICENSES A TASTING AND AN ON PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
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WHAT'S THERE IS VERY LIMITED AS FAR AS REGULATION.BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT WOULD SAY THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.
>> THAT MEANS YOU CAN DO IT. I THINK YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND BRING BACK TO US.
>> I WILL. I DIDN'T WANT TO RUN DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE AND GO TO EVERYBODY AND THEN COME HERE AND BE LIKE, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
I'D RATHER KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS SAY BEFORE I DO THAT.
>> MAYBE BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF SOMETHING NEW AND GET IN A LITTLE SOONER THAN NORMAL.
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. I'LL BE HERE IN JULY FOR THAT.
>> THAT WAY IF WE HAVE ANYTHING WE NEED TO WORK ON BY OCTOBER WILL BE SET, OKAY?
>> OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ADKINS ARBORETUM.
[Adkins Arboretum]
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT EVENTS.>> YOU'RE SPEAKING ON ALL FOUR?
>> COULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AN AFFIRMATIVE THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> MICHELLE DRAPER, AND MY ADDRESS IS 215 BULLE ROCK DRIVE, CENTREVILLE MARYLAND.
I WAS THINKING, DO YOU NEED MY PERSONAL ADDRESS OR [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES GIVE ME YOUR PERSONAL ADDRESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CERTIFY ON HERE THAT YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE STATE OF MARYLAND.
>> OKAY. ALSO, I'M THE BOOKKEEPER AND I WAS GOING TO THE BANK TO GET THIS NOTARIZED.
BUT THE PERSON WHO PLANS THE EVENTS AND KNOWS THE MOST ABOUT THE EVENTS IS JENNY HOLTON.
I CAN CALL HER IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER THAT SHE COULD PROVIDE MORE.
IF YOU ALL WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, SHE'S AVAILABLE AND WAITING, BUT I'LL TRY TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TOO, I'VE WORKED THERE FOR YEARS AND ATTENDED THESE EVENTS IN THE PAST. HOPEFULLY, I'LL BE ABLE TO.
>> THEY HAVE FOUR EVENTS THAT THEY TURNED IN.
I FIGURED WE JUST GET THEM ALL ON THE AGENDA NOW AND WHEN THEY COME UP, WE'LL ISSUE THE LICENSE AS THEY COME.
THE FIRST DAY IS YOUR EARTH DAY EVENT.
IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN THAT ONE DATE AND TIME.
>> ACTUALLY THIS IS A NEW EVENT.
>> BETH, COULD YOU SCROLL BACK DOWN TO THE ACTUAL FIRST PAGE NEXT YEAR?
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR SATURDAY, APRIL 20TH, 11:00-4:00, SELLING BEER AND WINE VIA CASH BAR AND THEN YOUR SITE PLAN THERE FOR THE SET UP.
>> WE HAVE BULL & GOAT AND TEN EYCK COMING.
>> THAT WAS THE TWO YOU HAD LAST YEAR?
>> YEAH. I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE SAME TWO.
WE AREN'T ACTUALLY SERVING THE ALCOHOL.
WE'RE THE EMPLOYEES FOR THIS EVENT, IT WILL BE THE BEER TRUCKS, THE VENDORS.
>> WON'T THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LICENSE?
>> I'M GUESSING THEY'RE CHOOSING NOT TO DO ONE OF THEIR PROMOTIONAL EVENTS.
>> BECAUSE I GUESS THEY DON'T VIEW THAT AS A PROMOTIONAL EVENT THAT'S A RETAIL EVENT.
>> THERE'S JENNY WHO IS VERY THOROUGH BEING SUPER, OVERLY THOROUGH.
>> I RECALL THEY USED BULL & GOAT AND TEN EYCK LAST YEAR FOR THE EVENT.
WE ARE USING THE SAME ONES OVER AND OVER FOR OUR EVENTS.
>> THEY'RE BOTH THE BEER, RIGHT?
>> WHAT ABOUT THE WINE? WHERE DOES THE WINE COME FROM?
>> FOR THIS EVENT THOUGH, I BELIEVE IT IS JUST A BEER.
MAYBE TEN EYCK IS BRINGING WINE.
LIKE I SAID, I CAN CALL JENNY.
>> NO. YOUR APPLICATION SAYS BEER AND WINE
>> THEN TEN EYCK IS BRINGING WINE.
TEN EYCK BROUGHT WINE FOR OUR [INAUDIBLE] ADKINS LAST YEAR, WHICH WE'RE ALSO APPLYING FOR AGAIN TODAY.
IT'S A CANNED WINE SO IT'S ALREADY PORTIONED. BUT I'M TIPS TRAINED, JENNY IS TIPS TRAINED.
OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR JENNA IS TIPS TRAINED, AND WHENEVER WE'RE SERVING WINE OR BEER,
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I'M SERVING, OR JENNY IS SERVING, OR JENNA IS SERVING.>> [OVERLAPPING] IT LOOKS LIKE ON YOUR SITE PLAN, YOU'RE DOING THIS BACK AT THE PAVILION?
>> THE PAVILION, [OVERLAPPING] YES.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
>> YOU USE OF WRISTBANDS OR WHAT DO YOU?
>> I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T GET [OVERLAPPING] THAT.
>> NO. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT WE CAN ADD THAT.
WE HAVE THOSE IN THE SUPPLY ROOM.
>> I AM ALWAYS AT THE VISITOR CENTER [LAUGHTER] SO I AM NOT CERTAIN OF THAT.
I'M WONDERING IF THAT WAS LEFT TO BULL & GOAT AND TEN EYCK IN THE PAST.
>> COULD SHE JUST DIAL IN AND YOU CAN ASK HER QUESTIONS.
>> YEAH. I CAN PUT HER ON SPEAKER.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY.
IF YOU WANT TO USE WRISTBANDS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. THAT'S ALL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF SHE PUTS HER PHONE ON SPEAKER AND HOLDS IT UP BY THE MIC, [OVERLAPPING] IT'LL RECORD.
>> WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME CLARITY ON THAT.
>> LIKE I SAID, NEXT YEAR SHE'S JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE BANK.
>> GOOD MORNING. YOU'RE CALLING ADKINS. CAN I HELP YOU?
CAN YOU PUT ME THROUGH TO JENNY?
>> HI MICHELLE. TO JENNY? HOLD ON FOR JUST A MOMENT.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO SWEAR HER INTO?
>> YOUR CALL IS NOW BEING FORWARDED.
>> YOU GOT A PHONE CALL. HANG ON.
>> HEY, JENNY. YOU ARE ON SPEAKER AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YES. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> HANG ON. COULD YOU CLOSE THE DOOR? I'M ON THE PHONE WITH THE LIQUOR BOARD.
>> I'LL BE RIGHT OUT. [LAUGHTER]
>> I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SO SORRY.
MY WORK ADDRESS IS 12610 EVE LYNCH ROAD, RIDGELY, MARYLAND 21660.
>> WE NEED A PERSONAL ADDRESS.
>> WE NEED YOUR PERSONAL ADDRESS.
>> IT'S 309 CHESTERFIELD AVENUE, CENTREVILLE, MARYLAND, 21617.
>> WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IDING.
>> YES. WE'RE HAVING QUESTIONS ON YOUR EARTH DAY APPLICATION, ABOUT WHO'S DOING THE IDING OF THE CUSTOMERS.
>> FOR ALL OF OUR EVENTS, IT'S THE ALCOHOL VENDOR WHO IS DOING THE ID.
FOR EARTH DAY, WE HAVE TEN EYCK COMING OUT OF CENTREVILLE.
>> YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE VENDOR.
ARE THEY PROVIDING THE BEER AND THE WINE?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DOING WINE.
THEY'RE DOING CANNED BEER, AND SOMETIMES THEY BRING CANNED WINE, JUST SINGLE SERVINGS.
THEY TAKE CARE OF THE SERVING AND THE CHECKING.
>> YOU PUT BEER AND WINE ON YOUR LICENSE APPLICATION TO COVER IN CASE THEY BROUGHT BOTH?
>> YEAH. I PUT IT JUST IN CASE BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
>> BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALL IN CANS, LIKE SODA CANS.
>> DO THEY USE WRISTBANDS TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE 21 AND OVER ONCE THEY, [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. HONESTLY, THIS IS A MOSTLY FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT, SO THEY DON'T GET MANY CUSTOMERS.
I THINK THEY JUST COME OUT FOR THE PR, SO IT'S NOT MANY PEOPLE WHO COME UP AND PURCHASE ALCOHOL.
>> SO THEY'RE JUST CHECKING IDS OF THE CUSTOMERS AS THEY BUY A DRINK?
>> YES, AND IT'S NOT A HEAVY DRINKING EVENT.
>> JENNY, HOW MANY DID YOU HAVE PARTICIPATE LAST YEAR FOR EARTH DAY? DO YOU RECALL, LIKE AN AVERAGE NUMBER?
>> LAST YEAR WE HAD AROUND 300 PEOPLE.
POSSIBLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.
WE'RE HOPING FOR MORE THIS YEAR, BUT WE CAP EVERYTHING AT 400.
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>> IT'S AN EVENT THAT'S LONG TERM SO PEOPLE COME AND GO.
THEY DON'T COME AND STAY THE WHOLE TIME.
>> THAT'S A PRETTY BIG AMOUNT.
>> OR 300. I JUST WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE FOR IT WITH SOME TYPE OF WRISTBAND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT POSITION OF THE COMMISSIONER WOULD SAY.
>> I'M THINKING THE SAME WAY. IF SOMEBODY IS CARRYING THE ALCOHOL OR HAS THE ALCOHOL, THAT'S PROOF THAT THEY'VE BEEN CARDED AND THAT THEY'RE OF AGE.
>> WE'VE JUST NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE.
IF THEY GO UP TO PURCHASE THE ALCOHOL, THEN ARE THEY GIVEN THE WRISTBAND AT THAT TIME SO IF THEY COME BACK, THEY CAN BE RECOGNIZED?
>> YES. IT'S WHEN THEY'RE CARDED, WHICH YOU SAID THE VENDOR IS DOING THE CARDING.
[OVERLAPPING] AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY'RE CARDING THEY WOULD HAVE A WRIST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE CAN CERTAINLY REQUEST OR REQUIRE TEN EYCK TO DO THE WRISTBANDS.
>> WITH THAT LARGE NUMBER OF ATTENDANTS, IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO KNOW.
THEY DIDN'T JUST BUY THAT BEER OR THAT WINE AND GO GIVE IT TO SOMEONE UNDER 21.
IF SOMEBODY IS THERE AT THE EVENT AND THEY'VE GOT AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN THEIR HAND, THEY DON'T HAVE A WRISTBAND, THEN WE KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T PURCHASE THAT OR THEY MAY BE UNDER 21.
>> SHOULD WE DO THAT JUST FOR EARTH DAY OR ARE THERE OTHER EVENTS WHERE YOU FEEL [OVERLAPPING] WE SHOULD BE DOING IT?
>> ALSO IT'S NOT JUST UP TO THE VENDOR TO BE POLICING IT.
THEN IT'S UP TO YOUR STAFF TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THE WRISTBANDS.
>> ANY EVENTS WITH ALCOHOL, WE SHOULD START HAVING WRISTBANDS?
>> AT THIS POINT, YOU WERE APPLYING FOR THE ONE-DAY LICENSE SO IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, ADKINS ARBORETUM WOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR BEING A PROBLEM SO IT ALSO PROTECTS YOU.
>> IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. WE WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES.
>> WHEN THEY'RE HAVING THE TRAILER.
YOU'RE HAVING THE EVENT BACKED BY THE PAVILION.
WHEN THEY PURCHASE, LET'S JUST SAY A BEER, DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO WALK AROUND THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA OR ARE THEY BEING REQUIRED TO STAY WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA AFTER THEY BUY THAT?
>> THEY CAN WALK WITHIN THE EVENT'S BOUNDARIES.
>> WE WANT TO JUST GO THROUGH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.
>> WHAT DON'T WE GO THROUGH THEM ALL?
>> YEAH, WHILE WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ON PHONE.
>> YOUR NEXT EVENT IS THE FOREST MUSIC EVENT, LOOKS LIKE.
>> OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT IT?
>> SO FAR AS MUSIC, WE HAVE MUSICIANS COME IN AND PLAY MUSIC IN THE WOODS.
AND FOR THAT ONE, IF WE SELL ALCOHOL, WHICH WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE YET, BUT IF WE DO, IT WILL BE ARBORETUM STAFF.
WE'VE BEEN TIPS TRAINED, AND WE WILL BE SERVING GLASSES OF WINE IN THE GALLERY, WHICH IS IN OUR VISITOR CENTER.
>> JENNY, YOU ALSO HAVE BEER HERE ON YOUR APPLICATION.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK, MICHELLE?
>> WELL, FIRST, MUSIC IS TYPICALLY JUST WINE.
>> DOESN'T REALLY GO WITH THE MENU.
>> I THINK I WAS JUST TRYING TO COVER MY BASES BUT WE CAN TAKE THE BEER OFF?
>> IT DOESN'T REALLY GO BECAUSE WE ALSO SERVE FOOD AND THE REFRESHMENTS ARE NOT CHARGED AS FOR EVERYONE AND IT'S LIKE HEAVY D'OEUVRES, CHEESE AND CRACKERS, CROISSANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE USE LOCAL VENDORS FOR FOOD, BUT WE'RE SERVING IT OURSELVES THAT WE PURCHASE AND WE SERVE COFFEE.
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>> SO WHAT YOU HAVE CIRCLED ON THE MAP IS THE GALLERY?
>> AND THAT'S WHERE IS GOING TO BE SERVED, WITHIN THE GALLERY?
>> ARE THEY GOING TO BE LEAVING THE GALLERY WITH IT?
THE MUSIC IS IN THE FOREST, SO THE IDEA IS THAT PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE TRAILS, WHICH ARE SET TRAILS, A SET PATH, AND LISTEN TO THE MUSIC AND THEN COME BACK TO THE GALLERY AND HAVE REFRESHMENTS.
>> MY PERSONAL FEELING ON THAT IS WE SHOULDN'T BE WALKING THAT WHOLE AREA.
>> AND AGAIN, THIS CROWD IS SMALLER, WE USUALLY GET ABOUT 100 PEOPLE.
>> OLDER PEOPLE AND NOT DRINKING.
>> AND AGAIN IT'S NOT A DRINKING CROWD OR A DRINKING EVENT, PEOPLE WILL JUST HAVE A SMALL GLASS OF WINE TO RELAX.
>> YEAH. AND WE'RE SERVING WATER AND COFFEE ALSO AND FOOD.
>> NOW, IT'S NOT CHECKED ON YOUR APPLICATION.
JENNY, ARE YOU DOING TICKET SALES FOR THIS? IS IT A CASH BAR PAY AT THE DOOR?
>> SO WE WE COULD DO IT TWO WAYS.
WE'VE DONE JUST DONATIONS OR WE HAVE DONE LIKE $5 A GLASS.
SO THE WINE IS SEPARATE FROM ANY TICKET SALES.
>> I THINK IT'S $10 PER PERSON TO ATTEND THE EVENT.
>> AND THEN WINE IS ADDITIONAL.
>> THE WINE IS AN ADDITIONAL COST.
THE FOOD AND THE WATER AND COFFEE ARE INCLUDED IN THE $10.
>> SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT MARKED AS AS A CASH BAR.
>> RIGHT. AND PART OF THE REGULATIONS ARE THAT YOU CAN'T OFFER IT FOR FREE, SO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DONATION.
SO YOU CAN EITHER INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF YOUR TICKET SALES OR CHARGE INDIVIDUALLY BY THE DRINK.
>> YEAH. SO WE WILL JUST CHARGE BECAUSE LAST YEAR THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
>> AND WE DIDN'T SELL [NOISE] VERY MUCH.
IT'S NOT LIKE JENNY SAID, PEOPLE DON'T COME AND DRINK HEAVILY AT THIS EVENT.
>> IT'S MORE OF A COURTESY OFFERING.
I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO BUY A GLASS OF WINE AND WALK THROUGH ALL THE TRAILS.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE OUTSIDE AREA AROUND THE GALLERY.
>> SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS ASK JUST TO HAVE STAFF MONITORING AND NOT LET PEOPLE WALK OUT WITH THE WINE.
>> I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PATIO AREA AND STUFF AROUND THERE AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SERVE, THAT'S WHERE THE FOOD WILL BE, AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD PRETTY MUCH BE CONTAINED WITHIN THAT.
>> I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THAT, BECAUSE WE SERVE IN WINE GLASSES, SO WE CAN'T TELL PEOPLE WE'VE GOT THE WINE GLASSES.
>> WE DON'T WANT THAT WALKING AROUND.
>> DRINK YOUR WINE AND THEN LEAVE YOUR GLASS HERE.
>> YEAH, WE CAN TOTALLY DO THAT.
>> THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF CONTAINMENT TO IT.
>> YEAH. IT'S A LARGE AREA, WE'RE 400 ACRES.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE GALLERY. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
>> YES. WHICH IS IN THE VISITORS CENTER.
IT'S A VERY LARGE ROOM INSIDE THE VISITOR CENTER BUILDING.
>> AND I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD SAY WINE IN THE GALLERY AND ON THE PATIO.
>> BECAUSE THAT GIVES PEOPLE A LITTLE SPACE IF WE HAVE A BIG CROWD.
>> SO I HAVE MADE NOTES FOR THAT. I BELIEVE WE WILL DO THAT.
>> YEAH, FOR STAFF TO MONITOR AND STOP FOLKS FROM WALKING AWAY WITH OUR GLASSES.
>> AND JENNY, ARE YOU AMENDING IT TO TO JUST WINE?
>> YES, WE'RE AMENDING FOREST MUSIC.
WE'RE AMENDING IT TO JUST WINE AND NOT BEER.
>> YES. AND I WROTE THAT NOTE DOWN.
>> THE NEXT ONE IS THE BEER GARDEN.
>> BEER GARDEN. JENNY, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THIS.
>> SURE. SO BEER GARDEN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE OUR SIXTH BEER GARDEN.
SO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD HANDLE ON IT.
THE EVENT BOUNDARIES ARE MARKED OUT CLEARLY.
THEY ARE RIGHT AROUND OUR PAVILION.
PEOPLE HAVE TO SHOW THEIR REGISTRATION TO GET INTO THE BEER GARDEN.
THEN WE HAVE PENNIKE AND BULL & GOAT ARE CHECKING THE ID.
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WE WILL ADD WRISTBANDS TO THAT.BUT IT'S A MUCH SMALLER SPACE THAN OUR OTHER EVENTS, SO EASY TO MONITOR.
AND IT IS 1:00-3:00 WITH MUSIC 2:00-4:00.
>> AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE FOOD VENDORS THERE AS WELL.
>> THE SAME COVERING 10X BECAUSE 10X SOMETIMES BRINGS WINE IN THE CANS.
>> YEAH, IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE THE FIRST ONE.
>> IT'S IN THE SAME AREA AND EVERYTHING? SAME SPOT, JUST A DIFFERENT DAY.
>> AND WE HAVE MUSIC AT THIS AREA.
THE MAIN EVENT, EVERY PART OF THIS EVENT IS IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR PEOPLE TO WANDER OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE TO HEAR THE BLUE GRASS.
THERE'S A STAGE AND THERE'S MUSICIANS.
PEOPLE DON'T GENERALLY WANDER OFF OTHER THAN TO GO TO THE BATHROOM IN THE VISITOR'S CENTER.
ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE PORTALETTES SET UP AT THE MAIN PAVILION AREA SO THAT WE DON'T EVEN GET A LOT OF THAT.
WE'RE MOVING TO THAT ONE NOW, JENNY?
>> YEAH. PLEIN AIR ADKINS' ARTISTS SET UP ALL OVER, BUT THEY SET UP THEIR EASELS, THEY PAINT, AND THEN THEY BRING THE PAINTINGS BACK AROUND NOON, AND THEY SELL THEM TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THE ALCOHOL IS REALLY JUST FOR SALE DURING THAT SHORT WINDOW WHEN THE EVENT IS OPEN TO OUR VISITORS.
CAN I ACCEPT SOME RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR PATIO? AND EVERYONE'S IN THIS GRASSY AREA JUST BEHIND THE VISITOR CENTER, LOOKING AT THE PAINTINGS.
SO IT'S SIMILAR TO BEER GARDEN AND THAT IT'S VERY CONTAINED IN ONE AREA.
PEOPLE AREN'T WANDERING AROUND THE ARBORETUM.
WE HAVE REFRESHMENTS AT THIS THAT ARE FREE TO THE PUBLIC.
LAST YEAR, TEN EYCK, THEY BARELY SOLD ANY WINE.
LIKE JENNY SAID BEFORE, I THINK THEY WERE MOSTLY THERE PROMOTIONALLY.
>> WE DO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK COMING TO THIS YEAR, MICHELLE.
>> BUT THIS CROWD, AGAIN, IT'S MAYBE 100, 125.
WE'RE HOPING FOR MORE THIS YEAR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SAME, 50 PLUS KIND OF A CROWD, NOT A DRINKING AND PEOPLE AREN'T COMING HERE TO DRINK FOR THIS EVENT.
>> BUT STILL, I WANT THEM TO PROBABLY DO THE WRISTBANDS AND CARDING.
>> BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] EVERYBODY'S JUST SPREADING OUT.
>> SURE, ANYTHING. WE'LL JUST MAKE IT A POLICY.
>> AS JENNY SAID, WE'LL JUST MAKE THAT OUR POLICY FROM HERE ON.
>> ON YOUR APPLICATION, YOU DIDN'T CHECK WHETHER YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE MUSIC OR NOT. IS THERE ANY PLANS?
>> I APOLOGIZE. WE HAVE TWO LADIES WHO SIT UNDER A TREE AND PLAY LIKE OLD TINY BLUEGRASS.
[OVERLAPPING] IT'S JUST BACKGROUND MUSIC.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE 1, 3, 4. VERY SIMILAR.
>> SO WE GOT THOSE WRISTBANDS.
>> ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING SPREAD OUT, WHERE THEY CAN VISIT.
>> IT MAKES SENSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALTHOUGH YOU SAID IT'S FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENTS, SO THERE IS UNDER AGE THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
>> WE CAN DEFINITELY DO WRISTBANDS.
I FEEL LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE SOME ACTUALLY. [LAUGHTER]
>> IF WE DO AN APPROVAL, DO WE HAVE TO DO MOTIONS ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY?
>> YOU CAN DO THEM ALL TOGETHER. IT'S THE [OVERLAPPING] SAME LICENSE ORDER, SAME APPLICANT, JUST DIFFERENT EVENT DATES.
UNLESS YOU'RE CONDITIONING THEM [OVERLAPPING] DIFFERENT.
>> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. WE'LL LIST EACH DATE
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AND WE'LL PUT IN THE STIPULATION OF WRISTBANDS AND CASH BARS.>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ADKINS ARBORETUM'S EARTH DAY FOR APRIL 20TH OF 2024, THE MUSIC FEST FOR JUNE 13TH OF 2024, THE BEER GARDEN SEPTEMBER 28TH OF 2024, THE PLEIN AIR ADKINS FOR NOVEMBER 2ND OF 2024, WITH THE STIPULATION OF USING THE WRISTBANDS AND HAVING A CASH BAR.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THESE ONE-DAY LICENSES FOR THE ADKINS ARBORETUM, THE EARTH DAY, WHICH IS APRIL 20TH, 2024, THE FOREST MUSIC WHICH IS JUNE 13, 2024, THE BEER GARDEN WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 28, 2024, AND THE PLEIN AIR ADKINS NOVEMBER 2ND, 2024.
>> THANKS, JENNY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND MICHELLE, THANK YOU.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADD-ONS OR [OVERLAPPING] ANYTHING FOR OUR TEMPORARY LICENSES? OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR OTHER ITEMS WHICH DISCUSSED IN THE ITEMS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE RETAIL ALCOHOL DELIVERY.
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I KNOW THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION.>> ROBYN, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND CIRCLE BACK TO THEM, THE [OVERLAPPING] DISCUSSION YOU HAD STARTED WITH THE BOARD LAST SUMMER ABOUT RETAIL DELIVERY? IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
>> WE ARE STILL INTERESTED IN DOING RETAIL DELIVERY.
I'VE TALKED TO IAN AT EASTON LIQUORS BECAUSE TALBOT COUNTY ALLOWS IT NOW, AND HE TOLD ME HIS SYSTEM TRIED TO TALK TO THE GUY IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY, BUT HE HASN'T RETURNED MY CALL.
WHEN CRYSTAL AND I WERE TALKING, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THIS ON A TEMPORARY BASIS AS A TRIAL.
THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO GO, LIKE LET US DO IT FOR THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS, AND THEN COME BACK AND GO OVER ANY OF THE CONCERNS, ANY ISSUES WE HAD, KEEP TRAY INVOLVED IN IT.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS HANDHELD ID SCANNERS THAT WE CAN PURCHASE, AND THEN WE BUY THE PROGRAM AND TAKE IT WITH US.
THERE'S ALSO AN APP THAT YOU DOWNLOAD TO YOUR PHONE, THAT YOU PAY A MONTHLY FEE AND THEY ALL SCAN THE ID.
THEY'LL DO DRIVER'S LICENSES, THEY'LL DO PASSPORTS, THERE ARE 50 STATE, ALL THAT.
OUR MAIN FOCUS FOR DOING THIS IS ONE, FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DRINKING, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIG HELP TO US TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR LARGER EVENTS LIKE IF SOMEBODY IS HAVING A WEDDING.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION OF BUYING BACK ANY ALCOHOL.
SO THEY COULD UNDERBUY AND AFTER TWO HOURS, IF THEY'RE HAVING A FOUR-HOUR RECEPTION, THEY COULD CALL AND SAY, WE NEED TWO MORE CASES OF CORONA.
CAN YOU BRING IT OUT TO US? BY THE SAME TOKEN, LIKE IF ZELIE HAS A CUSTOMER THAT'S RENTING THE VENUE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORRY ON THE DAY OF COMING OUT AND PICKING UP ALL THE ALCOHOL, WE CAN DELIVER IT OUT TO THEM.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DELIVER TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL HOUSE IN CAROLINE COUNTY, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE THAT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PART OF IT.
BUT OUR FOCUS IS REALLY TO DO THESE EVENTS, TO GET MORE OF THE EVENTS, TO PURCHASE LIQUOR FROM US BECAUSE WE'RE WILLING TO DELIVER IT TO THEM.
IAN EXPLAINED HOW HE DOES IT IN TALBOT COUNTY.
I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT, BUT HE ACTUALLY REQUIRES PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SET UP AN ACCOUNT AND THEN HE DOES THE ID AND HE DOES THE DELIVERY.
I THINK THERE'S SOME PITFALLS IN THAT.
I WOULD RATHER JUST GO WITH THE SCANNERS WHERE WHEN YOU ACCEPT THE DELIVERY, WE SCAN IT RIGHT THERE.
WE KNOW IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH AND IF YOU'RE NOT [OVERLAPPING].
>> HE IS EASTON LIQUORS, NEXT TO GIANT.
I CALLED HIM BECAUSE WE KNOW HIM AND WE KNOW HE'S DOING DELIVERY.
WE KNOW SOME PEOPLE AT SOME OF THE OTHER LIQUOR STORES,
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BUT I HAVEN'T CONTACTED THEM.I JUST WANTED TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
>> WHEN WE TALKED BEFORE, I KNEW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING THROUGH AN APP OR WHATEVER.
>> NO. WE ACTUALLY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH LIKE GRISLY OR ANYTHING.
[OVERLAPPING] WE WANT TO HANDLE IT OURSELVES.
OUR THOUGHT IS WE HIRE A DRIVER THAT IS IT'S EITHER ONE OF THE OWNERS OR THE DRIVER THAT DOES THE DELIVERY.
WE CAN VERIFY THE ADDRESS AND THE NAME, ALL THOSE THINGS.
>> WHEN THEY CALL IN AND PLACE AN ORDER, IS THERE ANY VERIFICATION AT THAT POINT OR THE VERIFICATION ISN'T DONE UNTIL YOU GET TO THE DELIVERY?
>> THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED PEOPLE COME IN AND REGISTER AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEY'RE OKAY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S NOTHING I CAN THINK OF BECAUSE EVEN THE WEBSITES WHERE YOU HAVE TO SWEAR THAT YOU'RE 21, ANYBODY CAN CLICK THAT.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, AT PAPERWORK PROS, WE TAKE DELIVERIES FOR PEOPLE.
THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT IF YOU CLICK THAT YOU'RE 21, SOMEBODY WITH AN ID HAS TO ACCEPT THE PURCHASE.
SOMETIMES THEY HAVEN'T SENT TO US BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HOME.
WE VERIFY THAT WE'RE 21 AND THEN WHEN THEY COME IN, WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE 21.
I CAN'T THINK OF A WAY TO DO IT AND HAVE IT BE VALID ONLINE OR ON THE PHONE.
WE WOULD JUST MAKE SURE WHEN THEY GOT THERE.
>> WHERE'S THE STATE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD IGNORE?
>> STATE LAW, UNDER 4507, IT STATES THAT RETAIL DELIVERY TO A PURCHASER OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IS PROHIBITED UNLESS A RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER OBTAINS A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION FROM THE LOCAL LICENSING BOARD TO MAKE DELIVERIES, AND THAT THE DELIVERY IS MADE FROM THE LICENSE PREMISE BY THE RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER.
>> IT'S UP TO THE LOCAL BOARD TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO ALLOW A RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER TO MAKE DELIVERIES.
IF THEY DO, IT HAS TO BE MADE DIRECTLY FROM THAT LICENSED STORE BY EITHER THE LICENSE HOLDER OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE LICENSE HOLDER.
>> USING TALBOT COUNTY, IT'S HARD FOR ME BECAUSE TALBOT RULES ARE SO DIFFERENT THAN OUR RULES.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE QUOTING THE STATE LAW. CORRECT.
>> YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW THIS.
YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ADOPT YOUR OWN RULES AND REGS IN ORDER TO REGULATE IT.
SIMPLY IF YOU OPERATE WITH JUST WHAT THE STATE HAS, YOU CAN GIVE THEM A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION AND MAKE YOUR OWN SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OR CRITERIA.
YOU COULD ALSO ADOPT SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN YOUR LOCAL RULES IF YOU WANT OR ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, DO IT BY LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION WITH WHAT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OR CRITERIA YOU MAY FEEL THAT THAT LICENSE ESTABLISHED MAY WARRANT.
OR AS ROBIN HAD SUGGESTED TOO, IF YOU'RE NOT SURE HOW THIS WORKS, WANT TO GIVE IT A TRIAL RUN, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ON A PROBATIONARY PERIOD OR A TEMPORARY PERIOD.
>> STEWART, HOW WOULD A TEMPORARY PROBATIONARY PERIOD.
[NOISE] I DON'T WANT ANY DOUBLE SECRET PROBATIONS FELLOW.
BUT HOW DOES THE LAW, HOW WOULD WE CONSTRUCT SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW?
>> WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO PROBABLY SPECIFY THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED, WHICH IS THAT THE DELIVERY HAS TO BE MADE BY A LICENSEE OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE LICENSEE.
YOU COULD ALSO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S BEER AND WINE ONLY OR HARD SPIRITS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT EVERYTHING OR IS IT SOME NARROW FIELD YOU WANT TO DO ON A TRIAL BASIS? WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD COVER WHATEVER IT IS YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE TO GRANT ON A TRIAL BASIS.
PERHAPS WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF OUR APPLICANT HERE WHO WAS ASKING FOR IT.
SHE MIGHT SAY, HERE'S WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR.
>> WHEN THE LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION WOULD SET THE TRIAL PERIOD, IF YOU'RE AUTHORIZED ONLY FOR THIS 90-DAY PERIOD PERIOD.
>> EVEN AT THAT TIME, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY,
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TO WHATEVER YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT DURING, IF YOU WANT TO DO A TRIAL, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU? DO YOU WANT TO LIMIT THE HOURS THAT CAN HAPPEN? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO DELIVER WITHIN THE HOURS? YOUR STORE IS OPEN.DO YOU WANT TO REQUIRE THAT THE PERSON WHO'S MAKING THE DELIVERY ACTUALLY VERIFY THE ID OF THE PERSON? DO YOU WANT TO SIGNATURE.
WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO VERIFY AND WHAT YOU NEED TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN? I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT IT FOR ALL THE HOURS WERE OPEN.
I WOULD PREFER TO BE ABLE TO DO LIKE 08:00 AM AND CUT OFF AT 10:00 PM.
THE REASON I SAY 08:00 AM IS LET'S SAY SOMEBODY IS GOING OUT ON THEIR BOAT AND THEY JUST WANT US TO MEET THEM THERE WITH A CASE OF BEER SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PULL THEIR BOAT IN OUR PARKING LOT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO DO IT 10, MAYBE 11:00 PM AT THE LATEST.
WE WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE CALLING IT 01:00 AM.
WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT OUR DRIVER OUT THERE AND NONE OF US WOULD WANT TO BE, NOT TO MENTION.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT BIG A STAFF TO BE SENT PEOPLE ALL OVER.
>> THAT WAS GOOD. THAT WAS WHERE THE NEXT QUESTION WAS.
WHAT CUTOFF TIME ARE WE LOOKING AT?
>> OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER TOO IS, IS THERE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT A PERSON COULD PURCHASE? BUT THAT WOULD BE DEPENDENT UPON, I KNOW ROBIN HAS MENTIONED BEFORE BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE ALCOHOL TO THE WEDDING VENUE, SO LIKE COW BAR, AND THEY'VE PUT IN AN ORDER AND THEY'VE GOT A LARGE PURCHASE THAT THEY'RE PURCHASING FROM HER THAT SHE'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONSIDERATION ON JUST THE INDIVIDUAL HOME PURCHASE.
>> COULDN'T WE DO THAT IN THE THING? WE COULD SAY, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A CASE OF BEER, TWO FIFTHS, WHATEVER, FOR A RESIDENCE? BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO AN-
>> [OVERLAPPING] EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE WOULDN'T BE A RESTRICTION ON.
AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO YOU IF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU OR THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS DURING A TEMPORARY PERIOD.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF YOU TRY IT AND IT WORKS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT YOUR PERMANENT DECISION.
>> WE DON'T ANTICIPATE LIKE THIS BEING CRAZY, PEOPLE CALLING ALL DAY LONG TO GET ALCOHOL DELIVERED.
>> I THINK YOU'LL BE SURPRISED.
>> I THINK IT'LL BE A GOOD SURPRISE IF WE'RE BUSIER THAN WE THINK, BUT WE JUST THINK PEOPLE LIKE JUST COMING IN AND BROWSING, AND LOOKING, AND PICKING OUT.
>> YEAH, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T USE DELIVERY.
>> WHAT'S NEW? I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT.
I KNOW WITH BRINGING THIS BACK WITH SOME PUT SOME PLEASURE ON IT AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ONCE WE GOT THE DETAILS AND THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS, ALL THIS STUFF.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ROBIN TO OUTLINE FOR YOU WHAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO DO AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF?
>> [OVERLAPPING] BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AND THEN BRING IT TO STORE TO BE HAPPY ADOPTED INTO-
>> TO KNOW THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING MAYBE LAY OUT A PLAN OF HERE WOULD BE THE DELIVERY HOURS, IT'S GOING TO BE EITHER LICENSED OR EMPLOYEE.
WE'RE GOING TO CHECK ID OR WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE SIGNATURE.
WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT TO THESE PURCHASES.
THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS AND WHAT YOU WANT TO PROPOSE FOR THEM TO REVIEW.
>> NOT ONLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO LIKE OURS OR HOW MANY DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES MAYBE DO YOU BE UNACCOMPANIED, BUT THINK ABOUT IT FROM THE BOARD'S POINT OF VIEW IS ANTICIPATE, I WANT TO DO THIS LOGICALLY, WHAT WOULD BE THE GUARDRAILS ON THAT FROM THE BOARD'S POINT OF VIEW? YOU MIGHT BE COMING UP WITH REALLY A LARGE PART OF WHAT'S GOING TO END UP LOOKING LIKE.
>> I'M THINKING JUST AS WE'RE SITTING HERE THINKING LIKE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ORDER FOR A WEDDING, IF IT'S NOT ZELIE CALLING US FOR.
THEN WE REQUIRE THEM TO COME IN WITH THEIR ID AND WE HAVE LIKE A CONTRACT.
HERE'S WHAT YOUR ORDER IS, HERE'S WHAT WE'LL DELIVER.
THIS IS THE TIME IT'LL BE DELIVERED. THIS HOW PAYMENT-
>> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LAST MINUTE DECISION.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLANNING FOR THAT WEDDING AND HOW MUCH THEY NEED IN ADVANCE AND PROBABLY COME IN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] FOR LARGE ORDERS, WE WOULD YOU DO THAT.
THEN I NEED A CASE DELIVERED BECAUSE HOW [OVERLAPPING] GET POOL AND WE ALREADY STARTED DRINKING.
>> THE OTHER THING WOULD BE HOW YOU'RE HANDLING PAYMENT.
THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL, HOW THE PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS WOULD WORK.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A RECEIPT WHEN IT'S DELIVERED.
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HERE'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS WHAT IF WHEN YOUR EMPLOYEE SHOWS UP TO DELIVER THE LOAD OF ALCOHOL.NOBODY THERE HAPPENS TO BE 21 WAS NOT THE PERSON WHO CAME IN AND GAVE YOU PROOF OF AGE.
I HATE TO BE NIT PICKY, BUT YOU.
>> [OVERLAPPING] NO I SEE SO FOR THAT LIKE, I'M NOT THINKING OF HAVING THE PEOPLE COMING IN UNLESS IT'S A LARGER ORDER.
BUT IN THAT CASE, WE TAKE THE ALCOHOL WITH YOU AND YOU'RE JUST OUT OF LUCK.
>> ALL SALES FINAL KIND OF THING.
YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK. WE TAKE THE ALCOHOL WITH US.
IF YOU PUT IT ON YOUR CREDIT CARD AND YOU WEREN'T THERE TO ACCEPT THERE, YOU HAVE TO COME SEE US AND THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM, THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING IT WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT 21.
>> YOU'RE CHARGING THE CREDIT CARD BEFORE IT LEAVES?
>> WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DECIDE, IS ARE WE GOING TO ACCEPT CASH SALES OR IS IT GOING TO BE CREDIT CARD ONLY, THAT KIND OF THING.
I'M GOING ON THE MODEL LIKE PIZZA EMPIRE AND THOSE PLACES, USUALLY YOU PAY BEFORE YOU GET THERE.
>> I KNOW LIKE PIZZA EMPIRE, EVEN WHEN THEY DELIVER, EVEN IF YOU PAY BY CREDIT CARD ONLINE OR ON THE PHONE, THEY STILL WANT A SIGNATURE ON THE RECEIPT WHEN THEY DO DELIVERY.
>> OR THEY HAVE AN OPTION WHERE YOU CAN PAY CASH WHEN THEY GET THERE BUT MOST PEOPLE PICK THOSE.
>> I DON'T HAVE CASH. I HAVE NO IDEA.
>> YES, PIZZA EMPIRE WHEN YOU ORDER ONLINE, YOU SAY PAY CASH WHEN YOU GET THERE.
>> YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH DONALD'S. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I NEVER HAVE CASH. [LAUGHTER]
I JUST REALLY JUST WANTED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU GUYS ABOUT WHERE WE NEED TO GO NEXT.
>> WELL, I'M NOT TOTAL CLOSED OFF, I AM OPEN MINDED ABOUT IT.
I STILL HAVE A HUGE CONCERN OVER THE ENFORCEMENT OF THINGS.
YOU BROUGHT UP THE BOAT THING.
LET'S JUST SAY FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON OR FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON YOU GET A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEBODY.
WELL, CAN YOU MEET US AT THE DENTON BOAT RAMP? YOU GET THERE AND SOMEBODY IS WAITING, BUT THEN LET'S JUST SAY YOU GAVE THEM TWO CASES OF BEER AND THE PERSON WAS 21, BUT AS YOU SEE THEM WALK BACK TO THEIR BOAT, THERE'S EIGHT PEOPLE ON THAT BOAT THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE 14.
AT THIS POINT IT'S ALREADY A TRANSACTION THAT'S EXPIRED.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RUN BACK TO THAT PERSON, GO, OH, NO.
I THINK THERE'S STILL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL AT THAT POINT [OVERLAPPING].
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT SAME PERSON CAN WALK IN THE LIQUOR STORE, BUY SOME CASES, TAKE IT DOWN TO THE BOAT WITH THE KIDS AND THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING ANY OF US CAN DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU WITNESSED IT, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN IF THEY WOULD ALLOW US TO SEE IT, TALBOT COUNTY, HOW THEY WROTE THEIR RULES FOR THIS, AND QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY, HOW DID THEY WRITE THE RULES? [OVERLAPPING] CAN WE GET COPIES FOR THOSE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AND SAY, THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA?
>> I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY WOULDN'T PROVIDE THAT.
>> I'LL CALL BOTH AND TRY AND GET THE COPIES TO WORK FROM[OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHEN YOU SAID SAY THERE'S A BOAT DOWN AT THE BOAT RAMP, WELL, THAT'S COUNTY PROPERTY.
IS THERE RESTRICTIONS AS TO WHETHER THEY CAN DELIVER TO SOMEBODY ON A ON A STATE PROPERTY OR A COUNTY PROPERTY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT UNTIL HE SAID THAT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> [OVERLAPPING] IS THERE RESTRICTIONS? I DON'T KNOW.
>> WELL, I KNOW WHEN WE HAD A BIRTHDAY PARTY OUT AT TUCKAHOE, WE WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE ALCOHOL THERE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RESTRICTION.
>> YOU'RE NOT IN MARTINAK. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT IN MARTINAK.
>> BECAUSE AS A CAMPER, YOU CAN'T HAVE ALCOHOL [OVERLAPPING] IN THE CAMPGROUND.
>> IF THAT'S THE RULE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SKIRT ANY RULES.
>> THEN THE QUESTION IS, THIS IS JUST SCENARIOS REALLY.
>> WHO'S GOING TO ASK FOR DELIVERY?
>> IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S CAMPING IN MARTINAK OR WHATEVER, AND THEY, YOU GUYS DO DELIVERY.
WE WANT YOU TO DELIVER TO OUR CAMPSITE, BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW ALCOHOL ON THE PROPERTY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU CAN'T DO IT. THAT'S JUST A NO BRAINER.
>> THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU GO TO A BAR AND BUY SOMETHING AND THE PERSON'S INEBRIATED, CUT THEM OFF.
IF YOU DELIVER IT TO A HOUSE PARTY AND THERE'S A COUPLE 21 YEAR OLD AND YOU HEAR ALL THESE NOISE AND STUFF, WHO'S LIABLE?
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I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN INSTANCES WHERE EVEN THE THE ELKS CLUB, NOT IN LOCAL, BUT IN ANOTHER STATE, THEY HAD TO CLOSE THEIR WHOLE FACILITY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CARD AND SOMEBODY WAS KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT.STILL, WHO WOULD BE LIABLE IF YOU DELIVER SOMETHING TO A PARTY, SOMEBODY, AND THEN DRINK AND UNDER AGE WENT OUT.
IS THE PERSON STILL LIABLE AND NOT THE PLACE THAT DELIVERED THE ALCOHOL?
>> I WOULD THINK ONE OF THE RULES WOULD BE THAT WHEN WE DELIVER TO YOU, YOU HAVE TO PRESENT YOUR ID, YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST NOT NOTICEABLY INTOXICATED.
>> THE SAME RULES YOU WOULD FOLLOW AT YOUR STORE [OVERLAPPING] IF A CUSTOMER COME IN.
>> I THINK WHAT GLENN IS ASKING IS IF YOU AT [INAUDIBLE] LIQUORS COMMIT A VIOLATION, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN FINE AGAINST [INAUDIBLE] LIQUORS.
[INAUDIBLE] LIQUORS DELIVERS, THE RULES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, ARE THEY STILL ENFORCEABLE TO DEBT AND LIQUORS? HOW DO WE ENFORCE REGULATIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE? I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF IFS.
>> IT'S NOT ONLY IFS ON OUR SIDE, IT'S IFS ON YOUR SIDE TOO.
BECAUSE LIKE HE'S SAYING, AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU NOT LIABLE? AT WHAT POINT DOES THE LIABILITY GO ON SOMEBODY ELSE? YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS IS THIS GOING TO OPEN US UP FOR LIABILITY ISSUES? I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ARE.
>> JUST ONE THAT COMES TO MY MIND.
YOU DELIVER, YOU KNOW THERE'S A PARTY GOING ON, BUT EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE GOOD.
YOUR PERSON, IT WASN'T YOU, SO AN EMPLOYEE, THEY MADE THE TRANSACTION, THE PEOPLE SIGNED. THEY ID THEM.
EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD, BUT LATER ON AT NIGHT, A YOUNGER UNDERAGE PERSON GETS ALCOHOL POISON AND GOES TO THE HOSPITAL, POLICE START INVESTIGATING THINGS.
THE SAME SCENARIO HAS HAPPENED THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. WORST CASE SCENARIO.
>> YEAH, WORST CASE SCENARIOS.
>> JUST BECAUSE AS THE THREE OF US SIT HERE, IF WE AMEND THIS, WE ALSO FEEL THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THIS.
I THINK THERE'S ROOM STILL FOR MORE DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.
IT'S JUST WE NEED TO KEEP DISCUSSING THIS.
WE NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE WELL EDUCATED AND HOW TO ENFORCE WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE.
THERE WAS THINGS UP JUST LAST YEAR THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN ESTABLISHMENTS THAT DIDN'T THINK THAT THE PERSON CAME IN, THEY GAVE THEM A FAKE ID.
THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY COULD HOLD THAT ID TO KEEP THAT PERSON FROM GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION ON OUR PART, ON YOUR PART.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RELY ON STEWART FOR WHICH HE'S ALWAYS BEEN EXTREMELY GREAT FOR US.
>> THAT'S WHY HE MAKES THE BIG MONEY.
>> THAT'S WHY HE GOES HOME WITH A HEADACHE EVERY DAY.
I DID DO A LOT OF NEGLIGENCE WORK IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, AND I ALSO DID A LOT OF CRIMINAL DEFENSE, INCLUDING DWI WORK.
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED WHAT YOU ASKED, THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS ARE ASKING ME.
SOMETHING YOU SHOULD ALSO CHECK OUT IS YOUR LIABILITY INSURANCE CARRIER.
>> I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO DONNA ABOUT THAT.
>> WELL, THE ACTUAL UNDERWRITER OF THE INSURER, NOT THE AGENT.
>> BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE DISCLOSED TO SOME.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOUCHING ON IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE IDEA THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME AFTER YOU ON A STRICT LIABILITY THEORY RATHER THAN NEGLIGENCE.
NEGLIGENCE IS, HAS LIKE FIVE ELEMENTS IN IT.
STRICT LIABILITY IS LIKE ONE, YOU DID SOMETHING THAT WAS DANGEROUS AND SOMEBODY GOT HURT, AND THAT'S ALL THEY GOT TO PROVE, AND THEN YOU'RE UNLIMITED LIABILITY.
THE SCENARIO THAT CONCERNS, I GUESS EVERYBODY HERE,
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IS THAT SOMEBODY CALLS UP AT TEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PARTY AND WE'VE RUN OUT, OR WE WANT SOME MORE OF THAT TYPE.
THEY CALL, ASK FOR DELIVERY, YOU SHOW UP.
ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HANDHELD BREATHALYZER THAT THE PERSON WHO'S AT THE DOOR THAT ANSWERS THE DOOR AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAND OVER TWO CASES OF BEER TO IS IN ANY SHAPE TO RECEIVE IT.
WHAT IF THEY'RE NOT? WHAT IF THEY SAY, I'M NOT BLOWING IN THAT.
ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM THROUGH A FIELD SOBRIETY TEST? POLICE WILL TELL YOU THAT PEOPLE CAN APPEAR SOMETIMES VERY CAPABLE AND HAVE A VERY HIGH BAC IN THEM AND THEY'RE LEGALLY DRUNK FOR PURPOSES OF DRIVING.
TRAY WOULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE YOU'D WANT TO LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ISSUED BY YOU FOLKS.
I THINK TRAY IS THE ENFORCEMENT GUY, POLICE TYPE THAT.
>> ONE OTHER THING TO ROBIN TO CONSIDER GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT TO DELIVER RIGHT OUTSIDE OF YOUR JURISDICTION, AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENSURE THAT? WHAT MEASURES WOULD YOU USE TO MAKE SURE YOUR DELIVERY DRIVER KNOWS OR THAT YOU'RE VERIFYING THE ADDRESS THAT'S GOING TO IS CAROLINE COUNTY, SO YOU'RE NOT IN TROUBLE WITH QUEEN ANNE'S OR DELAWARE, OR SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU WENT OUT OF JURISDICTION.
>> THERE I'D BE SOME PRETTY STRICT DELIVERY LIMITS ANYWAY, BECAUSE THE COST.
>> A TEN MILE RADIUS UNLESS IT'S LIKE TO AN EVENT VENUE.
>> BECAUSE SINCE WE ARE SO CLOSE TO DELAWARE, AND OTHER COUNTY BOUNDARIES, THINK ABOUT WE KNOW VERY MINDFULLY HOW YOU WOULD POLICE THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE STANDING WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES.
>> I THOUGHT TOO, I WOULD LOOK AT HOW THE MARIJUANA DELIVERY REGULATIONS RUN BECAUSE IT'S GOT TO BE VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF IDING, AND LIABILITIES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO.
>> OH, YEAH. YOU CAN APPLY FOR A LICENSE.
>> THERE'S DISTRIBUTION CALLED THE MICRO LICENSE AND THE MICRO LICENSE IS JUST DELIVERY INSTEAD OF A STORE FORM.
>> I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
>> BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR, AT LEAST GIVE ME SOME IDEAS FOR SOME THINGS.
>> IF YOU WANT TO GET SOMETHING TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK THE NEXT MONTH.
>> IT'S LIKE JUST A OUTLINE GUIDELINE THING, AND THEN WE CAN JUST PICK IT APART.
>> I WONDER IF THEY CAN DELIVER IT TO A HOSPITAL.
>> WELL, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WHAT BETH AND I LEARNED ON ONE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] CALLS WAS WHAT DID THE DELIVERY.
THE INSPECTOR, THEY WERE CHECKING OUT THE DELIVERY.
>> IT WAS A THIRD PARTY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME PROPOSED LEGISLATION OUT THERE FOR THIRD PARTY DELIVERY.
RIGHT NOW THE STATE LAW SAYS LOCAL BOARD HAS AUTHORITY TO ALLOW OR NOT ALLOW RETAIL DELIVERY, BUT IT'S RESTRICTED TO THE LICENSE HOLDER AND THE LICENSE HOLDERS EMPLOYEE.
STATE LEGISLATION IS LOOKING TO AMEND THAT SECTION NOW TO PROVIDE FOR THIRD PARTY DELIVERY, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT BILL GOES.
BUT ONE OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, LIQUOR INSPECTOR, PLACED AN ORDER ONLINE FOR FOOD AND ALCOHOL THROUGH A THIRD PARTY WHERE HE COULD ORDER IT, SO HE WAS ABLE TO ORDER HIS FOOD AND HIS ALCOHOL, MAKE HIS PAYMENT.
THE ADDRESS HE PUT IN WAS THE LIQUOR BOARD OFFICE.
BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE, WILL THEY BRING IT TO THE LIQUOR BOARD OFFICE? HE SAID IN THE DELIVERY PERSON SHOWED UP WITH THE FOOD, NOT THE ALCOHOL, HE SAID SO THE CHECKS AND BALANCES WERE THERE ON THE STORES END THAT THEY KNEW THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT, SO THEY DIDN'T BRING IT.
BUT THE MECHANISM ON THE WEBSITE AND ON THE ORDERING END STILL ALLOWED HIM TO MAKE THE PURCHASE.
BUT THEY DID CATCH IT WHEN IT ACTUALLY CAME DOWN TO DELIVER AND KNEW THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
BUT HE SAID HE WAS LEAVING THERE TO GO TO THE STORE TO SAY, YOU OWE ME A REFUND BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET MY ALCOHOL.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID.
BUT HE SAID MY NEXT STEP WAS TO GO TO GET MY REFUND.
>> THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION.
IF AS WE PROCEED WITH THIS, THIS BECOMES SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOW AND THE STATE LEGISLATION SAYS IT CAN BE THIRD PARTY.
CAN WE RESTRICT IT TO STILL ONLY BEING THE LICENSE HOLDER OR AN EMPLOYEE?
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>> IF THEY OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD BECAUSE THE STATE REG SAY THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW IT AND THE DELIVERY IS MADE FROM THE LICENSE PREMISE BY THE HOLDER OR THE EMPLOYEE.
IF THEY CHANGE THAT AND DO THIRD PARTY, DOES THAT MEAN THE BOARD HAS TO ALLOW THAT? WHAT'S THAT?
>> YOU HAVE TO READ THE STATUTE, THE NEW ONE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT PREEMPTION HAS TAKEN PLACE.
IT MIGHT EXPRESSLY PREEMPT, IT MIGHT IMPLIED PREEMPT, OR WOULD BE A PREEMPTION BY CONFLICT.
CONFLICT MEANS THAT THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN DO THIS AND THE COUNTY SAYS YOU CAN'T.
THAT'S PREEMPTION BY CONFLICT.
>> THE WAY I READ IT NOW IS THE BOARD COULD ALLOW IT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE PART ABOUT YOU CAN'T JUST RESTRICT IT TO THE LICENSE HOLDER MAKING THE DELIVERY AND NOT THE EMPLOYEE OR ADDING IN THIRD PARTY IF IT WASN'T THERE.
>> IT MAY BE THAT'S PART OF THE NEW LAW.
THEY'RE CHANGING THIS TOO, WHICH IS LOGICAL.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEGISLATE IN THAT AREA, YOU SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER BILL THAT AMENDS THE OTHER STATUTE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
>> IN THE NEW BILL, THEY'RE ADDING TO OR THEY'RE REMOVING THE PART THAT SAYS DELIVERY BY RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER AND EMPLOYEE AND REPLACING IT WITH THE RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER, AN EMPLOYEE OF THE RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER, OR A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR.
THEN THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL STUFF TO GO ALONG WITH THE THIRD PARTY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
BUT IT ONLY APPLIES IN A JURISDICTION WHERE THE LOCAL LICENSING BOARD HAS ADOPTED REGULATIONS TO AUTHORIZE THE DELIVERY BY A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR.
WE STILL GET THE AUTHORITY AND WE CAN ISSUE A LOCAL DELIVERY SERVICE PERMIT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND ENFORCEMENT AND HOW IT'S GOING TO GET REGULATED.
THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF TALK AMONGST THE JURISDICTIONS ABOUT THAT.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE FOR IT ON OUR CALL.
>> FROM THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
>> DOES THAT LEAD US INTO OUR LEGISLATION?
>> ACTUALLY, [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AMEND THE AGENDA TO ALLOW JAMIE BEECHEY, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECS,
[Discussion-Caroline County Parks & Rec]
TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT THE COUNTY BEING ABLE TO BE ISSUED A ONE-DAY LICENSE?>> WE'LL AMEND THE AGENDA TO SPEAK WITH [OVERLAPPING] PARKS AND REC.
>> A LITTLE BACKGROUND, I GUESS.
PARKS AND RECREATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY SPECIAL ANIMAL, NOT NECESSARILY JUST CAROLINE COUNTY, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UNLESS YOU'RE A TAX DISTRICT OR A PARK DISTRICT, YOU TYPICALLY BY CODE, WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY A NECESSARY ENTITY BY VIRTUE OF THAT CODE AND THE PROVISION OF SERVICES THAT WE DO PROVIDE.
BECAUSE OF THAT, WE OFTEN PROVIDE OUR SERVICES ON FEE BASIS, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY VERY WELL FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENTS THAT WE SERVE UNDER.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IN FUTURE SERVICES, OBVIOUSLY, WE DO PROGRAMS, SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THOSE TYPES OF SCENARIOS.
PRELIMINARILY, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALCOHOL, AND I'VE TALKED BOTH A LITTLE BIT WITH STEWART AND A LITTLE BIT WITH CRYSTAL IN HOW THAT COULD WORK AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
OBVIOUSLY, OUR NON-PROFIT BROTHERS AND SISTERS CAN COME IN, REQUEST THOSE PERMITS, GIVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF THEIR EVENTS, AND ASK FOR THAT PERMISSION.
WE'RE ON AN ISLAND IN THAT REGARD FOR OUR BEING ABLE TO DO SUCH THINGS.
I HAD ASKED CRYSTAL, WHO WAS GOING TO A CONFERENCE LAST YEAR WITH HER PEERS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTY, BECAUSE WE KNEW OF OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAD THAT, WERE ABLE TO OFFER THAT GLASS OF WINE WITH AN ART CLASS OR HAVE THAT SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THEIR SPECIAL EVENTS.
I WAS CURIOUS LIKE HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN WHEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW OF THAT OPPORTUNITY HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY?
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FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM WHAT SHE LEARNED IS SOME ENTITIES OR SOME JURISDICTIONS CONSIDER THE GOVERNMENT, AKA THE PARKS AND RECREATION AGENCY TO BE NON-PROFIT UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION.SOME ARE DON'T-ASK-DON'T-TELL SO [LAUGHTER] THEY'RE ALLOWING THAT [OVERLAPPING] GOVERNMENT, THAT RECREATION AND PARKS DEPARTMENT, TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF BEING IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
>> SO IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
RIGHT NOW, UNDER STATE LAW, WE CAN ISSUE A SPECIAL ONE DAY CLASS C. A CLASS C IS A CLUB.
CLUB IS DEFINED BY THE STATE AS AN ASSOCIATION OR A CORPORATION THAT IS ORGANIZED AND OPERATED EXCLUSIVELY FOR EDUCATIONAL, SOCIAL, FRATERNAL, PATRIOTIC, POLITICAL, OR ATHLETIC PURPOSES AND NON-PROFIT.
THAT'S THE DEFINITION WE'RE WORKING WITH FOR CLUB, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE ONE-DAY LICENSES FOR.
>> SO YOU'RE VIEWING THEM AS A CLUB?
>> THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET A ONE-DAY LICENSE.
THE QUESTION IS, DOES A GOVERNMENT ENTITY FALL UNDER [OVERLAPPING] THAT?
>> YOU'RE FUNDED BY THE COUNTY AND ALSO CHARGES FOR PARTICIPATION IN SOME OF THE PROGRAMS.
>> IN OUR FUNDING STREAM, WE'RE ACTUALLY 2% OF THE GENERAL FUND.
HOW WE DO BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF THAT DOLLAR IS FEE FOR SERVICES, AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE WHAT ARE CALLED ENTERPRISE ACCOUNTS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, I'LL CALL THEM SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN GOVERNMENT.
THOSE FUNDING STREAMS ARE ALLOWED TO CARRY OVER YEAR TO YEAR.
SO IT'S ALLOWING THOSE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES TO OPERATE IN THOSE FUNDS INDEPENDENT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY.
AGAIN, NOT JUST IN CAROLINE COUNTY, BUT EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY WHO OPERATES AND HAS TO TRY TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR NON-PROFIT FRIENDS DO. WE'RE NOT GREATER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> HOW DOES THE COUNTY FEEL ABOUT WERE THEIR ENTITIES?
>> HOW DOES THE COUNTY FEEL ABOUT THEIR ENTITY HAVING A LIQUOR LICENSE?
>> I SUGGESTED THAT JAMIE TO START THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU, INVOLVE STEWART, BECAUSE WHETHER SHE GOES TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FIRST OR COMES TO YOU FIRST, [OVERLAPPING] NEED TO TALK TO BOTH.
>> WHY DON'T WE START HERE? STEWART, [OVERLAPPING] ANYTHING? ANY FEEDBACK, ANY COMMENT?
>> I HAVEN'T DONE THE ANALYSIS.
SOMETHING CALLED DAF HAS BEEN RUNNING MY LICENSE [LAUGHTER] NOW FOR TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS.
BUT YOU START WITH WHETHER OR NOT UNDER STATE LAW, AND APPARENTLY SOMEBODY IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS FEELS THAT YOU CAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING, [OVERLAPPING] A CLUB LICENSE FOR A GOVERNMENTAL DEPARTMENT?
>> THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE RIGHT.
>> HOPEFULLY. FOR YOUR SAKE, I HOPE THEY ARE RIGHT, [LAUGHTER] AND THAT WE CHECK IT OUT AND WE GO, OKAY, THOSE COUNTIES ARE NOT TRIPPING OVER THEMSELVES IN THIS SCENARIO.
SO THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF POLITICS OR A GOVERNMENTAL DECISION BY THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> IN MY OPINION. AND YOU ALL WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BE GUIDED BY WHAT THE COMMITTEE.
IF THE COMMISSIONER SAY, JAMIE, DON'T DO IT, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT.
WELL, THAT TAKES YOU OFF THE HOOK.
IF THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S OKAY WITH US IF YOU CAN GET PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD HERE.
SO WE CAN PUT STAFF TIME INTO ANALYZING WHETHER THESE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE IT RIGHT, OR WE CAN MAKE AN ASSUMPTION AT THIS STAGE THAT, OKAY, ASSUMING FOR THE MOMENT THAT CAN BE DONE, APPROACH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
IF I WERE JAMIE, I WOULD THINK ABOUT A SPECIFIC APPLICATION OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
WHAT IS THE EVENT? DOES IT OCCUR EVERY YEAR? HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP? HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE AGE, WRISTBAND, THIS SORT OF THING.
SO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST GIVING THEM THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF WHAT DO YOU THINK OF REC AND PARKS HAVING A LIQUOR LICENSE, THAT MIGHT BE SO BROAD THAT YOU GET A NO.
>> I KNOW THE VERY SPECIFIC THINGS.
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IN FACT, I'M WAITING FOR THOSE TO COME TO THE NEW LEGISLATION.IF THIS INVOLVES FOR US, THE NEW LEGISLATION, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH A PAINT SIP NIGHT WHERE THEY GET A GLASS OF WINE, THEY PAINT THEIR PICTURE, THEY DO THEIR CERAMICS, THEY DO WHATEVER.
THEY HAVE A GLASS OF WINE, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL EVENT OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE BEER AND WINE, NOT REALLY LOOKING INTO ANYTHING HEAVY AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE THOSE SALES AND ESSENTIALLY MAKE MONEY AND CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS IN CAROLINE COUNTY AS RECREATION AND PARKS.
DOES THIS BOARD EVEN HAVE AN APPETITE FOR CONSIDERING THAT? AND THEN, DO THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE AN APPETITE FOR THAT?
>> WE EVER HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. IS THAT PERMISSIBLE?
>> I THINK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO IT ON TUESDAY AND GET ON THEIR AGENDA, CORRECT?
>> I'D VENTURE TO SAY THAT. I CAN SPEAK FOR BOTH OF YOU, BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A WALL UP AND SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED.
IF I GET THE FEELING, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I DON'T SEE WHERE WE CAN PUT A WALL UP AND SAY, NO, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> UNLESS THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T. [LAUGHTER]
>> UNLESS THE LAW OR THE COUNTY SAYS, NO, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT THEN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A WALL.
I ALMOST THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE SCENARIO, AND THEN WE GOT TO FIND OUT WHETHER IT CAN BE DONE.
>> I THINK UNDER WHAT JAMIE IS ASKING, SHE'S ASKING FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SELL BEER AT A SOCCER GAME.
>> BUT THEY HOST AT THEIR FACILITY A PAINT NIGHT AND A LOT OF PLACES DO IT.
>> IS THAT PRIMARILY AN ADULT EVENT?
>> THE PAINT NIGHT CAME UP BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN OFFERING ADULT, WHAT I'LL CALL IT A ADULT EDUCATION CLASSES, AND SOME OF MY FRIENDS HAVE VISIT AND IT'S LIKE, CAN WE DRINK? I'M LIKE, "NO." [LAUGHTER] I GOT TO LOOK IN YOUR SIPPY CUP AND NO, YOU CAN'T.
[OVERLAPPING] WE CAN'T DO BYOB.
>> ANY MEALS? I'VE ALWAYS HAVE [OVERLAPPING] PARTNERS AS I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TAILORED TOWARDS THE CHILDREN.
THAT'S WHY I SAY DO THEY HAVE ANY EVENTS THAT ARE PRIMARILY ADULT EVENTS.
>> WE DO HAVE ST. PADDY'S DAY RUN WHICH WOULD BE INTERESTING TO DO, BEER SALES OR GREEN BEER WHICH IS PRIMARILY ADULTS.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RACES THAT I'VE COME AND THEY HAVE DONE IT.
LIKE INSTEAD OF THE WATER STOPS, THEY HAVE BEER STOP.
[LAUGHTER] WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER EVENTS LIKE IT IS ADULT.
PICKLE BALL HAS BECOME CRAZY HERE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT TOURNAMENT AND OR GLOW IN THE DARK, AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE ALCOHOL AT THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS.
I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THESE OTHER GROUPS COMING TO YOU WITH A PLAN.
THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENTION TOO.
IT'D BE LIMITED, WE WOULD COME IN AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE WANT TO DO, TELL YOU ABOUT THE EVENT, SHOW WRISTBANDS, HOW WE'RE CONTROLLING, BE TIPS CERTIFIED, VERY MUCH OPERATE LIKE THE NONPROFITS DO IT IN HAVING THOSE REQUESTS OF THIS BOARD.
>> DID THE LEGISLATION SAY NONPROFIT?
>> IT DOES SAY THAT YOU'RE AN ASSOCIATION OR CORPORATION ORGANIZED AND OPERATED FOR EDUCATIONAL AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PURPOSES, AND NONPROFIT.
>> STEWART, IS A DEPARTMENT THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY A NONPROFIT? I JUST CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW THEY COULD BE CALLED A NONPROFIT.
>> I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY HAS 501(C)(3) STATUS.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE, LIKE WE DON'T PAY TAXES, THE SALES TAX THAT'S IMPOSED.
THE STATE IS NOT TAXING ITSELF.
>> TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE.
HOW THEY FIT UNDER THIS NONPROFIT THING?
>> WELL, THE [OVERLAPPING] GOVERNMENT DOES NOT MAKE A PROFIT.
>> AT LEAST THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA.
>> WELL, THEN CAROLINE COUNTY, WE CAN SET UP A 501 STATE, SAY FOR A YEAR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT.
ON THE RECREATION SIDE, WE ACTUALLY ARE WORKING ON NONPROFIT.
THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BYPASS THIS, IF IN FACT THAT DOES COME TO FRUITION IN THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S A PROBLEM WHERE WE ISSUE LICENSES.
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>> BUT IN THE INTERIM AND HOWEVER LONG THAT TAKES, IT WAS JUST A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE FIT HERE AND IS IT FEASIBLE AND CAN IT WORK, OR NOT?
>> MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING] HAVE BETH CIRCLE AROUND TO THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, SEE IF WE CAN FOR THOSE THAT ARE ALLOWING THIS, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE NOT DOING IT THE WAY THEY SHOULD.
FIND OUT, AND THEN LET STEWART TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF THEY'RE SEEING SOMETHING WE DON'T WITHIN THE REGS.
IF NOT, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
YOU COULD SEEK SOME LEGISLATION SPECIFIC TO CAROLINE COUNTY THAT WOULD EXPAND ON THAT DEFINITION OF CLUB TO SAY FOR CAROLINE COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE CLUB NOT ONLY TO BE A ASSOCIATION OR CORPORATION THAT'S NONPROFIT BUT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT GOVERNMENT ENTITY IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE STATE DOES.
WE COULD SEEK LEGISLATION FOR CAROLINE COUNTY TO EXPAND ON THAT DEFINITION IF IT COMES DOWN TO A NO, YOU CAN'T.
UNDER THE CURRENT REGS, WE'VE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THIS.
THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO ASK FOR A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO FIND OUT AT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
>> RIGHT. WE STILL HAVE TO FIND [OVERLAPPING] THAT PART OUT TOO, BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT PATH.
>> THEY MAY BLOW UP A WALL AND SAY, [OVERLAPPING] NOT AT ALL, IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
I DON'T CARE HOW LEGAL IT IS. IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
>> THAT WILL STOP EVERYTHING. [OVERLAPPING] WE DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANYTHING.
>> THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR JAMIE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
AND IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT, THEN WE CAN START DOWN THAT PATH.
>> AGAIN, THAT COULD BE A HARD NOTE TOO.
>> AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT SURE IF WE'RE THE CAR OR THE HORSE.
>> BUT [OVERLAPPING] I KNOW YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
>> THIS HAS BEEN PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION WITH STEWART AND CRYSTAL AND I FINGER AGAIN LAST WEEK.
SHE GOES, WHY DON'T YOU JUST COME TO THE LIQUOR BOARD MEETING AND JUST START A CONVERSATION HERE.
OBVIOUSLY NOT ASKING FOR ANY DECISIONS OF ANY KIND, BUT JUST MARINATE ON THAT.
THEN FROM A COMMISSIONER'S PERSPECTIVE, SEEING WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE.
>> THEY COULD BE FINE WITH IT AND SAY ALL THE MONEY GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
>> I'VE SEEN THAT. WHAT HAPPEN IS STATE GOVERNMENT THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE RECHARGED THE SUPERVISION FEE.
WE THOUGHT IN THE PAROLE AND PROBATION DEPARTMENT, WE'D GET TO THAT MONEY BECAUSE WE WERE THE ONE CHARGING IT.
THE LEGISLATURE SAID NO, THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
IF YOU GET INTO THIS STUFF, [OVERLAPPING] THAT COULD BE WHAT CAROLINE WANTS TO DO.
>> WE HAVE THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
ALL OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ARE IN ENTERPRISE FUND SO THOSE DON'T GO TO THE GENERAL FUND AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY WHICH IS AGAIN HOW WE'RE OFTEN A SPECIAL ANIMAL BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THOSE THINGS.
WHEREAS GENERALLY INCOME DERIVED FOR THE COUNTY GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND IS AGAIN NOT SPECIFIC TO A DEPARTMENT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
>> VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WOULD BE SOMETHING BRAND NEW FOR ALL OF US.
>> BUT AT LEAST I CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WITH RESPECT TO SEEING WHERE THIS GOES.
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WE AUTHORIZE PEOPLE TO HAVE ALCOHOL IN OUR BUILDING, INDEPENDENT RENTALS LIKE BIRTHDAY PARTY OR WHATNOT.
BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES TO A NONPROFIT WANTING TO USE OUR FACILITIES, THAT WE SEND THEM TO YOU LIKE MCDO PROFESS.
WE'RE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE GOING, WAIT, HOW ARE WE ABLE TO DO THIS? OF COURSE, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS TO PARTNER WITH A NONPROFIT, BUT THEN TALKING ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY A LARGE INCOME REVENUE SOURCE.
>> THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION ON JUST WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
THE 4-H PARK IS UNDER YOUR UMBRELLA, THAT'S UNDER YOU.
THE 4-H. FAIR AND EVERYTHING, THE FAIR BOARD, ARE THEY A NONPROFIT, ARE THEY SEPARATE, OR ARE THEY UNDER THE COUNTIES?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE INDEPENDENT NONPROFIT.
>> THEY BASICALLY RENTED THE BUILDING FROM YOU.
>> SO THE FAIR BOARD DOESN'T PAY THE RENT TO 4-H PARK.
[OVERLAPPING] IN ANOTHER STORY, I'M ACTUALLY OVER FAST MOVING.
WE'LL PAY TO USE THE PARK, BUT THEY'LL PAY THE ALCOHOL FEE TO THE LIQUOR BOARD.
SO WE DON'T GET THAT REVENUE FROM THE ALCOHOL.
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>> OKAY, INTERESTING [LAUGHTER].
>> THIS WAS ALL VERY FASCINATING TODAY [LAUGHTER] I'VE LEARNED A LOT.
IN FACT, IT WAS INTERESTING THEY WERE DISCUSSING ALCOHOL, AND I HAVE HAD ALCOHOL DELIVERY IN OTHER STATES AND I WASN'T THERE TO SIGN AND DRIZLY TOOK MY ALCOHOL BACK.
THEN I HAD TO ASK THEM TO COME BACK.
[LAUGHTER] I GOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC, I ORDERED IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> WE'RE STILL ON DISCUSSION OF THE LEGISLATION.
>> WELL, I WANT TO PUT THAT INTO MY BOARD OF ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> YES, SHE'S GOING TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THAT IN THERE.
WHICH WE CAN DO THAT NEXT OR WE CAN DO THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT.
>> I WOULD SAY WE CAN ADD. THERE IS NO INSPECTOR'S REPORT. HE'S NOT HERE.
[Inspector's Report]
>> [LAUGHTER] LET'S MOVE ON TO THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT.
>> HE STATED THAT HE DID TWO TIPS CLASSES FOR A TOTAL OF NINE PEOPLE.
HE WENT TO CHECK ON BARS FOR THE SUPER BOWL WEEKEND.
HE DIDN'T MENTION ANY PROBLEMS. HE HELPED WITH THE FAIR BOARD PREPARE FOR THEIR RAFFLES.
HE HAS ATTENDED THE MAIL-IN MEETINGS, THERE ARE CALLS.
HE TOOK THE GUN BASH FOR THE FAIR AND HE DID EIGHT NORMAL INSPECTIONS. THAT'S HIS REPORT.
>> I SEEN HIM AT THE GUN BASH.
>> HE'S BLOWING THINGS UP OUT THERE, GAS LEAKS OUT THERE [LAUGHTER].
>> I THINK THE RAFFLE, HE MENTIONED SOMETHING TO ME THAT THE GUN BASH, I GUESS AT THE LAST MINUTE HAD ASKED ABOUT DOING A RAFFLE.
HE'S LIKE, NO, YOU GOT TO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD, SO NEXT YEAR IF YOU WANT TO DO A RAFFLE, MAKE SURE YOU ASK IN ADVANCE ALONG WITH YOUR LICENSE TO DO THE RAFFLE.
HE SAID IF THEY WANTED TO DO A GIFT CARD, FINE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THE ALCOHOL RAFFLE WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD.
>> THAT'S WHY THEY HIT ME AS SOON AS I WALKED THROUGH THE DOOR.
[LAUGHTER] I'M NOT HERE FOR THAT.
>> I HAVE A TICKET. TREY'S TEXTING ME.
HE'S LIKE, GEEZ, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE HERE, THE LIQUOR BOARDS HERE, EVERYBODY'S HERE [LAUGHTER].
THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE REALLY WELL.
THEY SAID THAT THEY RAISED ENOUGH MONEY OFF OF THAT EACH YEAR THAT THE FAIR IS ACTUALLY PAID FOR BEFORE THE FAIR AND THAT'S THE ENTERTAINMENT LAW.
I THINK THE AMISH OUTLAWS THEY'VE HAD IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHICH COST THEM.
>> A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY SAY, WE GO INTO THE FAIR DEBT-FREE.
THEY CAN MAKE IT OFF OF ONE EVENT.
IT WAS WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.
THEIR TICKETS WERE SOLD OUT FOR THE IN-PERSON.
YOU COULD BUY A TICKET AND STILL HAVE A NUMBER BEING DRAWN, NOT IN-PERSON BUT THE IN-PERSON TICKETS, SO THE MEANS OF SEATING WAS ALL SOLD OUT.
>> IT LOOKED LIKE THEY HAD A NICE EVENT.
>> MAY I [NOISE] REQUEST PERMISSION TO LEAVE EARLY? THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ASKED ME TO WEIGH IN ON THE PROPOSED DAF BILL THAT WE JUST GOT LAST NIGHT.
>> THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TESTIFY AT ONE O'CLOCK SO I HAVE TO PULL AWAY.
>> I ALREADY STARTED IT AND I ALREADY FOUND A TYPO IN THE BILL [LAUGHTER].
>> THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
>> YOU COULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING BEFORE NOW.
>> I THINK IT'S FINE [LAUGHTER].
>> WELL I'M ENJOYING IT JUST LIKE JAMIE WAS [LAUGHTER]. IT'S AN INTERESTING MEETING.
>> SO OUR NEXT ORDER IS [OVERLAPPING] YOUR REPORT.
[Board Administrator's Report]
COLBY'S HAS CLOSED AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT THEIR LICENSE BE TERMINATED, CORRECT?
>> JUST RECENTLY, I WOULD ASSUME.
>> IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THEY CAME IN FOR THE VIOLATION, IT WAS THE [NOISE] UNCLE AND THE NIECE WHICH ARE THE TWO LICENSE HOLDERS AND HE PASSED AWAY SEVERAL MONTHS BACK.
AND THE WIFE, ACCORDING TO THE NIECE, HAS NEVER BEEN AROUND FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS OR SO.
AND I GUESS UPON HIS DEATH THERE WAS NO WILL SO EVERYTHING WENT TO PROBATE.
AND THE WIFE, HER HUSBAND OWNED LIKE 60% ALONG WITH HER OWNERSHIP.
I THINK THE NIECE ONLY HAD A 20% OWNERSHIP IN THE BUSINESS AND I GUESS THERE WAS NO BUYING EACH OTHER OUT AND IN THE END THEY DECIDED TO CLOSE.
SO I LOOK FOR IT TO BE FOR SALE,
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BUT THE PROBATE ATTORNEY WAS IN TOUCH WITH HER OFFICE AND SHE CALLED TO LET US KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THEY HAD SAID IT WAS LIKE, WHAT, A FRIDAY OR TWO AGO, I THINK IT WAS, THAT THEY WERE GOING OUT WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE THE NIECE LIVED THERE BECAUSE THERE IS A RESIDENCE ATTACHED TO THAT STORY THAT SHE LIVED THERE.THEY WERE GOING OUT ON FRIDAY TO OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE BUSINESS, AND SHE SENT US AN EMAIL VERIFYING IT WAS OFFICIALLY CLOSED AND ALL THE ALCOHOL WAS REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY.
>> AND THAT REQUIRED THAT THEIR LICENSE BE TURNED IN, THOUGH?
>> THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT WE ASK THEM TO TURN IT IN BECAUSE ACTUALLY SHE WAS CONCERNED THAT THE NIECE WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO THEM, AND SHE'S LIKE, CAN SHE GO USE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE? I SAID, NO, IT'S FOR THAT LOCATION ONLY, SO NO WORRIES THERE BECAUSE IN SOME JURISDICTIONS, LICENSES CAN BE PURCHASED BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CAP.
I SAID THAT LICENSE HAS NO VALUE ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO IF YOU GET IT, CAN TURN IT IN. PLEASE DO.
IF NOT, JUST SEND US WRITTEN NOTIFICATION YOU'VE CLOSED.
>> BUT HAVE GOTTEN WRITTEN NOTIFICATION?
>> OKAY, WELL, THAT'S A SHAME.
>> IT IS A SHAME. SOMEBODY COULD BUY THAT AND THEN REQUEST A LICENSE.
>> I WILL THROW IN NOT TO INTERRUPT IN THE MIDDLE OF BEST REPORT, BUT WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOSED, RIDGLEY EXXON, I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED, I'VE HEARD NO MORE [OVERLAPPING].
>> LIKE TWO MONTHS AGO HERING WITH FOSTERS HAD REACHED OUT AND HAD CALLED ME AND JUST LEFT A VOICEMAIL TO CALL ME BACK.
AND I DIDN'T GET HIM, SO I SENT HIM AN EMAIL AND JUST SAID, I ASSUME YOU'RE CALLING ABOUT WHATEVER'S STILL LEFT TO DO YOUR TRANSFER, AND I SENT HIM A LIST OF WHAT WAS STILL REMAINING AND I NEVER GOT A RESPONSE OR A PHONE CALL BACK.
>> LAST MONTH WHEN I WAS IN THERE GETTING SOMETHING TO DRINK, I ASKED HIM AND HE SAID THEY'D STILL BE TWO OR THREE MORE MONTHS PROBABLY BEFORE THEY'D BE READY TO OPEN.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I REMEMBER [OVERLAPPING].
>> SO AT THIS POINT HE'S NOT REQUESTED ANY EXTENSION, AND ACCORDING TO YOUR REGULATIONS, HIS APPROVAL HAS EXPIRED AND THERE'S NO RENEWAL GOING OUT BECAUSE IT'S CLOSED.
WHAT'S THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON IF HE COMES BACK AND REAPPLY WHEN HE'S READY?
>> SO BASICALLY WHEN HE GETS TO THAT POINT HE'S GOT TO REAPPLY.
>> OUR LOCAL RULES SAY THAT WHEN YOU GRANT AN APPROVAL, IT'S GOOD FOR 30 DAYS UNLESS THEY NEED AN EXTENSION AND REQUEST IT, OTHERWISE THE APPROVAL DIES.
IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF MONTHS NOW SINCE HE'S BEEN IN AND IT'S NOW TIME TO RENEW.
THERE'S NO RENEWAL TO FILE, SO I THINK IT'S A NEW APPLICATION.
HE'S NOT EVEN GOTTEN THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT FROM THE STATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT THE DELAY WAS, BECAUSE THEY DID GET THE SALES TAX ISSUE CLEARED UP BECAUSE THERE WAS A SALES TAX ISSUE AND THEY DID GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
>> I'M GLAD THERE ARE A LOT AND SOME DAYS THERE'S PEOPLE THERE WORKING AND SOME DAYS THERE'S NOT.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GOT IN THERE AND IT JUST NEEDS AN EXTENSIVE OVERHAUL AND THERE WAS MORE TO DO THAN THEY THOUGHT.
MAYBE JUST MONEY AND TIME HAS DELAYED IT.
>> BUT THERE'S THE BUILDING AND THERE'S THE PERMIT.
>> YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE BUILDING SITTING EMPTY, IS NOT HELPING THEM.
YOU'D THINK THEY'D WANT TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING? SO I DON'T KNOW.
>> DO THEY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT THROUGH THE COUNTY?
>> TOWN? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'D BE A TOWN.
>> IT WOULDN'T BE THROUGH THE COUNTY?
>> THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF REMODELING AND STUFF.
>> SO WE'VE LOST TWO? THAT'S A SHAME.
>> SO, HE DOES REACH BACK OUT THERE.
>> IT'S HERE IN PATEL. HE OWNS FOSTERS AND THEY PURCHASED RIDGLEY EXXON.
>> NEXT, WE'RE GETTING READY TO SEND OUT LICENSE RENEWALS ACTUALLY THIS WEEK.
SO APRIL 5TH IS WHEN WE MEET FOR THAT.
>> YES, SO THAT WILL BE YOUR FIRST FRIDAY APRIL MEETING FOR LICENSE RENEWALS.
>> SO THE LEGISLATION HOUSE BILL 124, THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS THAT'S IN THERE.
SO WHAT THAT CHANGES TO A LICENSE HOLDER ANYWHERE IN THE STATE?
>> GO AHEAD AND PULL IT UP. [OVERLAPPING] SO UNDER STATE LAW, AND PART OF YOUR APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS INDICATE THAT AT LEAST ONE PERSON HAS TO BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES.
SO IT'S A CITIZEN OR PERMANENT LEGAL RESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
SO THAT BILL IS OUT THERE AND THEY SAY A PERMANENT LEGAL RESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE DATE AND PLACE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS GRANTED PERMANENT LEGAL RESIDENT STATUS.
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WE'LL HAVE TO ASK OUT ON OUR APPLICATION IF THIS MAKES IT THROUGH.>> AND SO THEY'RE EVEN TAKING THE STATE REQUIREMENT OUT.
THEY'RE JUST MAKING A RESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? NO?
>> NO. THIS IS JUST THE SECTION OF THE LAW THAT STATES THAT AT LEAST ONE PERSON HAS TO BE A CITIZEN.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU STILL HAVE THE OTHER AREAS THAT STATE SATE RESIDENCY.
>> BEFORE IT WAS CITIZEN AND STATE RESIDENT.
NOW, IT'LL BE CITIZEN OR PERMANENT LEGAL RESIDENT IF THAT PASSES.
>> I TRY NOT TO PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF THE GROUPS ON FACEBOOK LIKE THE DENTON HAPPENING [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER].
BUT IT WAS IT WAS ON THERE THAT SOMEBODY POSTED, "DENTON NEEDS A STEAKHOUSE." [INAUDIBLE]
>> I KNOW THEY GO ON ABOUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS GETTING TO BE INTERESTING.
I SAID I GOT A FEW MINUTES, I'LL LOOK AT IT AND THERE IT WAS SOMEBODY POSTED, "WELL, IT'LL NEVER COME BECAUSE THE LIQUOR BOARD STOPS IT FROM EVERYTHING." I'M LIKE THERE IT IS.
SOMEBODY RESPONDED AND SAID THAT'S BEEN CHANGED. THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
>> IT'S NOT THE LOCAL LIQUOR BOARD, IT'S THE STATE.
>> WELL, THEY SAID THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED, AND I WAS LIKE, GOOD JOB.
>> JUST REMEMBER, IF YOU AS A BOARD, GET APPROACHED WITH THE QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A CHILI'S OR A TEXAS ROADHOUSE OR WHATEVER? IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE IN CAROLINE COUNTY, OR IT'S A CHAIN RESTAURANT.
THERE'S ALWAYS TWO PARTS OF THE ARGUMENT.
FIRST, IT'S THE RESIDENCY ISSUE.
THEN THE SECOND PART, IT'S A CHAIN.
WELL, RESIDENCY IS NOW STATE OF MARYLAND, ONLY ONE, IT'S NOT EVERYBODY.
ONE MEMBER OF THE LLC OR CORPORATION IS NOW STATE OF MARYLAND.
SECOND PART OF THE EQUATION IS CHAIN STORE.
YES, UNDER STATE LAW, CHAIN STORES, WAREHOUSES, DISCOUNT HOUSES, AND GROCERY STORES ARE PROHIBITED FROM GETTING A LICENSE.
ROYAL FARMS CANNOT GET A LICENSE BECAUSE THEY MEET THE STATE'S DEFINITION OF A CHAIN STORE.
THE QUESTION ALWAYS GETS ASKED, WELL, HAS PIZZA HUT OR HOW DOES GOOSE CREEK OR TIGER MART? WELL, IT ALL GOES DOWN TO THE STRUCTURE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
ROYAL FARMS IS UNDER A BIG UMBRELLA CORPORATION AS A CHAIN STORE WHERE SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES LIKE GOOSE CREEK, THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL LLCS.
THEY'RE NOT UNDER THAT ONE BIG UMBRELLA.
THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL SEPARATE LLCS ALL TRADING UNDER THAT DENTON GOOSE CREEK OR THAT GOOSE CREEK NAME, BUT THEY'RE NOT A CHAIN STORE BY DEFINITION LIKE ROYAL FARMS WOULD BE.
RESTAURANTS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT PROHIBITION.
SO YOUR HOTELS AND YOUR RESTAURANTS ARE NOT PROHIBITED EVEN IF THEY'RE A CHAIN.
>> THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED PART OF THE CHAIN.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE GROCERY STORES IN EASTON? [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU'VE GOT YOUR TALBOT COUNTY.
>> BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A NEIGHBORING COUNTY, AND PEOPLE [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH, PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK THAT.
>> IT'S A NEIGHBORING COUNTY. I ALWAYS TOLD THEM, LOOK, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN US.
>> YES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAD A DELEGATE OR SENATOR IN THE 1970S THAT PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO GOVERN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS IN THEIR OWN JURISDICTION.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE STATE LAWS, TALBOT COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
BUT IF YOU GO TO LOCAL CAROLINE COUNTY LAWS ON THE WEBSITE, YOU'LL HAVE CHAPTERS IN THERE FOR ZONING AND FOR PERMITTING AND ANIMAL CONTROL AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
BUT IN TALBOT, YOU GO TO THEIRS, THERE'S A WHOLE CHAPTER FOR LIQUOR.
THAT'S THEIR LIQUOR LAWS WITHIN THEIR LOCAL REGULATIONS, WHICH IS THAT'S ALWAYS THE ANSWER TO THAT.
RESTAURANTS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT CHAIN STORE PROHIBITION.
>> THEY WERE THEY WERE SAYING THAT THE LIQUOR BOARD STOPS IT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A LOCAL RESIDENT.
I WAS JUST READING AND I WAS JUST LIKE IT'S INTERESTING.
THEY'RE ALL KEYBOARD WARRIORS.
>> THEY ARE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
>> YOU GOT TO GET THE CHAIN TO WANT TO COME HERE.
YOU GOT TO GET THE STORE [OVERLAPPING] TO WANT TO COME HERE.
>> SOMEBODY HAS TO WANT TO OPEN THE BUSINESS.
>> I DON'T SEE THEM JUMPING UP AND OPENING UP A BUSINESS WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
>> SOMEBODY'S GOT TO WANT TO OPEN THE BUSINESS, NUMBER 1.
NUMBER 2, THE FRANCHISE, THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT SAY POPULATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY LOOK AT BEFORE THEY CITE A PLACE.
>> WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING WAS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD
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POST SOMETHING ON THERE SAYING THAT THE LIQUOR BOARD STOPS IT BECAUSE YOU GO TO HAVE A LOCAL RESIDENT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE RESPONDED AND SAID THAT'S BEEN CHANGED, AND I'M LIKE SO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION.
THEY SAID THAT THAT'S BEEN CHANGED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT NOW.
>> ONE THING I BELIEVE IF THIS BILL PASSES, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT HAS WANTED A LIQUOR LICENSE THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE, ONE OF OUR RESTAURANTS HERE IN DENTON.
IF THIS PASSES, THAT MAY GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO GET A LICENSE. THAT WOULD BE DENTON PIZZA.
THEY COULD NOW IF THEY WERE WILLING TO FORM AN LLC OR CORPORATION AND FIND SOMEONE WILLING TO BE A 10% OWNER IN THEIR BUSINESS AND AND BE A PART OF IT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
SO THIS MAY ALLOW THEM TO GET A LICENSE IF THIS PASSES.
>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET OFF [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE NEXT ONE IS OUR CAROLINE COUNTY HOUSE BILL 362, SENATE BILL 531, THE BARBERSHOP AND BEAUTY SALON LICENSE THAT HAS HAD THE FIRST READING IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. IT'S THAT ONE.
>> ARE THESE WHAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT TESTIFYING ON?
>> SORRY, IT WAS SHORT, I COULDN'T.
>> I KNOW. AS FAR AS THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION.
THERE WAS ONE SENATOR THAT OPPOSED THE BEAUTY SHOP LICENSE AND BASICALLY SAID, "I'VE OPPOSED THEM FROM YEARS BACK WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED DOING THIS." HE JUST DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER OUTLET FOR ALCOHOL.
THAT WAS HIS FEELINGS AS WE HAVE PLENTY OF MEANS OF OUTLETS FOR ALCOHOL.
WHY DO YOU NOW HAVE TO BRING THIS INDUSTRY INTO PROVIDING ALCOHOL? IF SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE ALCOHOL TO SUPPORT THEIR SALON, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
WE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE ALCOHOL TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
OF COURSE, SENATOR HERSHEY RESPONDED BACK AND SAID, "I NEVER SAID THAT IN OUR BILL.
I NEVER SAID THE REASON CAROLINE COUNTY WANTS THIS IS TO HELP BUSINESSES SURVIVE.
IT'S JUST A COMPLIMENTARY SERVICE TO WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY PROVIDING." IT'S LIMITED TO ONE DRINK.
THEY'RE NOT CHARGING FOR IT, SO IT'S NOT A WAY TO MAKE MONEY.
WE'RE NOT SAYING IT IS, BUT THAT WAS IT.
THAT WAS THE ONLY OPPOSITION TO IT.
>> WILL THAT ONE PERSON SHOOT IT DOWN? WILL THAT ONE OPPOSITION GET IT SHOT DOWN?
>> WE'LL KNOW NEXT MONTH IF IT MADE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE.
>> WELL, IT DID MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT HAD ITS HEARING AFTER.
WE'LL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE NEXT MONTH.
>> OUR OTHER BILL IS HOUSE BILL 363, SENATE BILL 520, THE BEER, WINE, AND LIQUOR TASTING LICENSE.
THAT ALSO HAD FIRST READINGS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
I'VE NOT HEARD OF ANY OPPOSITION.
>> IT IS THE CLASS A LICENSE FOR FOOD RETAILERS.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT WAS SAID ON THAT CALL WHEN THEY WERE DISCUSSING THIS ON MALA? BECAUSE I WASN'T ON THAT CALL WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS.
>> NO. THIS IS ALLOWING ROYAL FARMS.
>> I DON'T CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THIS BILL BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE LAW WHERE IT SAYS THE LOCAL BOARD CAN ISSUE LICENSES TO CHAIN STORE SUPERMARKETS AND DISCOUNT HOUSES.
THEY'RE ADDING, EXCEPT FOR THIS NEW SECTION THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING TO SAY, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF DEFINITIONS THAT IT STARTS OUT WITH.
>> SO MUCH HAS TO COME FROM THEIR [OVERLAPPING] SALES.
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>> LOOK LIKE TO ME THEY'RE ESTABLISHING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
>> HONESTLY, I DON'T CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THIS BILL.
BUT IT'S BEING ADDED INTO THE SECTION WHERE THERE'S A PROHIBITION ALREADY FOR CHAIN STORES.
IT DOESN'T READ WELL TO REALLY TELL YOU WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
>> THEY ADDED A SECTION WITH THIS 4205 ONE.
>> WHO WROTE IT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHO IS SHE? IS THAT A MALE, FEMALE? WHERE IS SHE OR HE FROM, I WONDER?
THEY'RE SAYING A FOOD RETAILER IS SOMEONE WHO OFFERS FOOD IN AT LEAST FIVE OF THESE CATEGORIES.
THEY ACCEPT SNAP AS FORMS OF PAYMENT.
THEY HAVE THIS MINIMUM 3,200 SQUARE FEET.
THEY HAVE A PRIMARY ENTRANCEWAY, AND THEY'VE GOT SOME FOOTAGE FROM CHURCHES AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
ANY OF THEM THAT ARE LOCATED LESS THAN 3,000 FEET FROM A CLASS A CAN OFFER TO PURCHASE A CLASS A. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BILL AFFECTS US.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IN THOSE COUNTIES THAT HAVE A CAP ON LICENSES BECAUSE IT'S TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING.
>> WELL, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING HANDS.
>> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IS IT'S IN THOSE JURISDICTIONS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE CAPS ON LICENSES THAT MAYBE GIVES THEM THE ABILITY THAT IF YOU'RE BUYING THIS TYPE OF LICENSE, AND YOU'RE ALMOST LIKE CHANGING WHAT THAT LICENSE LETS YOU DO.
I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS US BECAUSE I CAN'T CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IN THE HECK THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S NOT WRITTEN WELL.
>> MAYBE IT'LL BE MORE OR LESS.
>> BUT WE'LL DIG MORE INTO IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
BUT IF IT REVOLVES AROUND PURCHASING LICENSES AND BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THEM, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT HERE ANYWAY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.
>> THIS LAST ONE IS HOUSE BILL 1424, ISSUANCE OF CLASS A LICENSES IS INCREASING FROM 1-4 THAT THE LICENSE HOLDER CAN HAVE IN THE STATE.
>> JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, RIGHT NOW, INDIVIDUAL CANNOT BE ISSUED A LICENSE IN MORE THAN ONE LOCATION IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND.
EVEN IN THE COUNTY OR THE STATE, WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN LOCALLY WHERE SOMEONE'S WANTED TO BE HAVE MORE THAN ONE BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY AND CANNOT BE ON BOTH LICENSES, BUT THAT APPLIES STATEWIDE.
IT DOES PUT A GOOD RESTRICTION ON ALLOWING SOMEONE TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS, JUST ONE BUSINESS.
THAT'S SOME OF THE TALK WE'VE HEARD FROM THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING, BUT THERE'S ALSO TRYING TO PROTECT THE SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES AS WELL, WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT'S WHY THE CHAIN STORE PROHIBITIONS IN THERE THAT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WALMARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT CAN GET LIQUOR LICENSES, WELL, NOW THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY IN LARGE QUANTITIES AT LESSER PRICES, SELL THE PRODUCT AT A LESSER PRICE WHICH MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE SMALLER LOCAL BUSINESSES TO SURVIVE, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PURCHASE IN THOSE LARGE QUANTITIES AND SELL IT FOR THOSE LESSER PRICES.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAD SOMEONE HERE WHO JUST WANTED TO OPEN UP, YOU LOOK AT PIZZA EMPIRE.
THEY HAVE A PLACE IN FETLSBURG, A PLACE IN DENTON, PLACE IN HENDERSON.
IF THEY HAD ALCOHOL? NO, NOT ANYMORE.
>> THEY'RE ALL OWNED SEPARATELY.
WHAT IF THEY DID OWN IT ALL TOGETHER?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY SEPARATED THEM ALL OUT THERE.
>> BRIAN AT THE PUB WANTS TO OPEN ONE MORE RESTAURANT IN THE COUNTY AND JUST WANTS TOO, HE CAN'T HAVE HIS NAME ON BOTH LICENSES.
>> I THOUGHT HE WAS ENTERTAINING ON THAT. HE WAS.
[OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK HE COULD HAVE AN INVESTOR.
YOU PUT SOMETHING ON FACE OR WHATEVER LIKE ANYBODY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] HE WAS LOOKING FOR SOME INVESTORS.
FOR INSTANCE, DENTON SHELL, MOHAMED CHAUDRY.
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HE ALSO OWNS THE QUEEN ANNE SHELL.>> WELL, HE'S THE LICENSE HOLDER ON [NOISE] THE QUEEN ANNE SHELL.
THEREFORE, HE WASN'T ALLOWED WHEN HE GOT HIS LICENSE HERE TO BE ON THIS ONE, SO WHAT HE DID WAS HE'S STILL PART OF THE LLC AND MAJORITY OWNER, BUT HIS THREE KIDS EACH OWN 10% AND THEY'RE THE LICENSE HOLDERS.
THAT'S USUALLY HOW THEY STRUCTURE IT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
WHAT THIS LEGISLATION WOULD DO WOULD BE ALLOW THAT INDIVIDUAL AT MOST FOUR IN THE STATE.
YOU COULD BE A LICENSE HOLDER ON FOUR LICENSES AND IT'S CLASS ONLY, WHICH IS YOUR RETAIL.
>> [OVERLAPPING] A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE STORES.
IF I REMEMBER THE GUY, THE HEAD WALKERS.
>> THE WIFE WAS ON THAT LICENSE.
THEY USUALLY USE THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS TO HELP DO THAT.
BUT WHAT THIS WOULD DO WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO THEMSELVES WHICH IF YOU'RE HAVING YOU ALL KNOW ENFORCEMENT WISE AND RESPONSIBILITY WISE, WHEN YOU CALL IN DENTON SHELL, THE THREE CHILDREN GENERALLY ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE RUNNING THE BUSINESS AND MANAGING THE BUSINESS.
THEY'RE JUST A NAME. WHY NOT ALLOW HIM TO BE ON MORE THAN ONE LICENSE? BECAUSE YOU KNOW HE'S ULTIMATELY THE ONE RESPONSIBLE.
THEN YOU HAVE THAT PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU'RE NOT CALLING IN THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS.
WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT ONE GOES.
BUT THAT WOULD JUST GIVE THAT ABILITY TO MOVE THAT NUMBER FROM JUST ONE IN THE STATE TO FOUR AND ONLY APPLY TO THE PACKAGE GOODS STORE LICENSES.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE ALREADY HIT ON THE RETAIL DELIVERY, THE THIRD PARTY, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
>> JUST AN UPDATE ON THE MULTI-EVENT LICENSE APPROVALS.
THAT CULINARY CENTER HAD THEIR CHOCO LOT FEBRUARY 9TH.
GOLDSBORO FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAD TWO.
THEY'VE HAD THEIR SHRIMP DINNER AND THEY HAD A FARM BUREAU BANQUET THERE.
GRIMSBY FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD THE FUNDRAISER FOR WAYNE WINCHESTER.
GREENSBORO HAD A BIRTHDAY PARTY IN FEBRUARY, AND PRESTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES CAME IN FOR THEIR LICENSE FOR THEIR CORNHOLE TOURNAMENT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MARCH 16TH.
THEN THE LAST ON MY REPORT IS THE MEETING CHANGES FOR MAY.
INSTEAD OF MAY 22ND, WE'RE GOING TO MAY 23RD AND OCTOBER 23RD MEETING HAS BEEN CHANGED TO OCTOBER 16TH.
I THINK BOTH OF THAT IS DUE TO THE ELECTION BECAUSE THIS ELECTION YEAR, SO THEY'LL BE IN HERE FOR EARLY VOTING AND THEN THE GENERAL, IT'S EITHER TRAINING OR THE ACTUAL EARLY VOTING.
>> WHEN'S OUR MEETING IN MARCH?
>> 27TH, SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE ON THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY AND THEN [OVERLAPPING] YOU'LL BE BACK ON THE FIFTH FOR LICENSE RENEWALS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHICH IS HOW WE USUALLY.
>> THEN WE STILL HAVE A REGULAR MEETING IN APRIL?
>> YES. USUALLY BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] THAT ENDS UP BEING SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE A CHANGE OR THEY'VE GOT AN ISSUE WITH THE LICENSE RENEWAL.
WE STILL HAVE THAT FINAL MEETING FOR THEM TO ADDRESS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT NOT APPROVE.
>> MARCH 27TH EVERY WEDNESDAY.
>> YEAH. FOR EXAMPLE- [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF APRIL WHICH IS.
>> 24TH. >> THAT WAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT RENEWALS THE FIRST FRIDAY, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM OR AN ISSUE AND YOU NEED TO CALL THAT PERSON IN, YOU'VE STILL GOT THAT APRIL MEETING TO DEAL WITH IT.
LIKE WE HAD DAVE'S THAT ONE YEAR TRYING TO RESOLVE.
>> YOU BABYSIT THEM GIVEN A CHANCE, SLIP HOLES DOWN TO. [LAUGHTER]
>> I GOT ONE MORE. I JUST GOT A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
AREN'T THE APPLICANTS SUPPOSED TO BE IN HERE SOONER THAN WHAT SOME OF THEM ARE COMING IN? TRACEY SNYDER'S THING IS THIS WEEKEND.
>> I THINK SHE CALLED US PROBABLY RIGHT AFTER [OVERLAPPING] THE LIQUOR BOARD MEETING. BUT YES.
>> THERE'S NO REGULATION THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE IN AHEAD OF TIME.
>> I JUST KNEW THAT SOME OF THE OTHERS,
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THEY ARE REQUIRED BY A CERTAIN DATE.I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF THEY WERE FOR THIS OR NOT.
>>NO, WE DON'T HAVE. WE HAVE AN APPLICATION DEADLINE THAT WE PUBLISH.
GENERALLY, WE UTILIZE THAT FOR NEW AND TRANSFER LICENSES BECAUSE THEY'RE SO INVOLVED, THEY HAVE SO MUCH THEY NEED TO DO, AND WE'VE GOT TO PUT ADS IN THE PAPER AND DO ALL THE PROPER NOTIFICATION, SO THEY DO HAVE TO BE IN 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE SO WE CAN DO EVERYTHING BUT TEMP LICENSES, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE, WE'VE ALLOWED FLEXIBILITY WITH THE DEADLINES TO LET THEM GET IN.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES IF THE FIRE HALLS WEREN'T DOING THE MULTI-EVENTS, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE DO WAKES AND MEMORIAL SERVICES AND WANT TO LICENSE UNEXPECTEDLY LAST MINUTE.
>> TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT HE'S SAYING.
YOU'RE SEEING STUFF IN THE PAPER.
>> THEY'RE ADVERTISING BEFORE THEY'RE HERE FOR THE BOARD.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE HAVEN'T EVEN, NOT THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY EVER DISAPPROVE IT BUT AGAIN THAT'S THE CART AND THEN THAT'S THE HORSE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM IN BEFORE.
THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE IT APPROVED.
>> THAT'S DEFINITELY A RISK THEY'RE TAKING BY ADVERTISING AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE AND SELLING TICKETS.
YOU COME TO THE BOARD AND THEY TELL YOU, NO, YOU'RE DISAPPROVED THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR ABILITIES TO REGULATE.
IF YOU FEEL YOU WANT A DEADLINE ON TEMP LICENSES, YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SET THAT DEADLINE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT.
>> I'LL MAKE IT HARD ON THEM BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THIS STUFF IN AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
>> YEAH, I AGREE. I THINK AT SOME POINT MAYBE IF WE HAVE A MEETING THAT DOESN'T LAST TWO AND A HALF HOURS, YOU COULD READDRESS IT.
>> I THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD BE QUICKER.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK BETH TO REACH OUT TO ADKINS AND JENNY HOLTON IS USUALLY WHO COMES TO THE MEETING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT WAS A LITTLE UNEXPECTED.
>> I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO SHOW UP ACTUALLY.
>> IF THE ISSUE IS THEY WERE CONFUSED AND HAD THEIR BOOK KEEPER FILL OUT THE APPLICATION NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT REALLY THE LICENSE, THE PERSON WHO'S HANDLING THE EVENT, WHICH WOULD BE JENNY HOLTON OR HOLTON, SHOULD BE THE ONE AS THE APPLICANT.
>> IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED TO CLOSE THIS MEETING OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 28TH, 2024. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> ALL OPPOSED? MOVED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.