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>> [BACKGROUND] WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 27, 2024, AT 9:30 AM.
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS WE HAVE SOME TEMPORARY APPLICATIONS.
THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST IS THE CAROLINE COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY BLUE JEAN FESTIVAL FOR APRIL 27, 2024.
[Caroline County Humane Society- Blue Jean Festival]
>> CAN I GET YOU TO STAND? WE'LL DO THE OATH.
>> YES. [LAUGHTER] SORRY. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AN AFFIRMATIVE THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY AND THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> MY NAME IS CATHERINE MOORE.
I'M ONE OF THE FUNDRAISING PEOPLE ON THE CAROLINE COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY AND WE'RE HAVING THE BLUFING FESTIVAL ON AUGUST 27TH.
[BACKGROUND] WE'RE STARTING OFF WITH A WALK THAT'S NOT REALLY A 5K WALK, IT'S SHORTER THAN THAT.
[BACKGROUND] BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT KIDS AND TEENS MORE LIKE A CANCER WALK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY RAISING MONEY FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY, AS OPPOSED TO RACING.
A LITTLE BIT OF A BEER GARDEN WITH TEN EYCK BREWING COMPANY, MUSIC BY THE HIJACKERS.
WE'RE HAVING PETTING ZOO, PONY RIDES.
WE'RE HAVING DEMONSTRATIONS BY THESE RESCUE PEOPLE.
WITH THE DOGS AND THE POLICE AND THE THING AND DOING THIS LITTLE ROCKS THAT USED TO PAINT AND HIDE AROUND.
SEEING IF WE CAN'T GET THAT [NOISE] INTEREST IN DOING THAT AGAIN. THAT'S ABOUT IT.
>> KATHY, THE APPLICATION SAID 9:00-4:00.
>> THE TIMES WERE 9:00-4:00, BUT THE ACTUAL TIME [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE SET-UP AND THE SIGN-UP FOR THE RACE.
PEOPLE GET THERE 9:00-10:00 TO SIGN UP, AND THEN AT 10 O'CLOCK, THEY'RE DOING THE RACE.
THEN WE OFFICIALLY START THE EVENT AT 11:00 AND IT ENDS AT THREE.
THE BAND IS PLAYING FROM 11:30-2:30.
>> YOU HAVE IT IN A BEER GARDEN?
>> YEAH, IT'S AT THE TAIL UNTIL IN.
>> TRY AND GET IT FLIPPED AGAIN FOR A BIT.
>> IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR OUT AS THAT IS.
YOU HAVE THE THING BUT BASICALLY, THIS IS THE PAVILION, AND THE BEER TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE HERE OR THE BEER TRUCK IS GOING TO BE HERE.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OUT HERE IS GOING TO BE A BEER GARDEN.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LEAFY FENCE AND THEN JUST ROPES AND SIGNS SAYING DO NOT GO BEYOND THIS POINT AND IT WILL FACE OUT.
IT'S JUST THAT SMALL LITTLE AREA.
>> TEN EYCK BREWING, IS THAT THE ONLY VENDOR THAT YOU HAVE THERE?
>> THE TEN EYCK BREWING, IS THAT THE ONLY VENDOR THAT'S THERE?
WE IN THE PAST HAVE HAD WINE, BUT WE HARDLY SOLD ANY AND WHEN IT'S HOT OUT AND WE HAVE KIDS AND STUFF, YOU'RE NOT REALLY PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN DRINKING WINE IN THE MIDDLE, AT LEAST I'M NOT.
WE'RE STICKING REALLY JUST WITH THE BEER.
PEOPLE DO LIKE TO WATCH THE CORNHOLE AND HAVE A BEER AND SO WE'RE SORT OF PUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AT THE END THERE.
>> I THINK MY QUESTION IS THIS.
IN THE PAST, THE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE COUNTY THAT TEN EYCK HAS BEEN THE PROVIDER, DON'T THEY HAVE A CATERERS LICENSE OR DON'T THEY HAVE A BREWING LICENSE THAT THEY [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF IT'S NOT THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS, THEY'LL HAVE A SOLICITOR'S PERMIT.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S BEEN OTHER BREWERIES THAT HAVE HAD THAT.
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THE PUB DID THEIRS, THEY HAD A CATERER'S PERMIT AS THEY STAY WIDE AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND, THERE'S ALSO A PERMIT FROM THE ATCC THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.>> I JUST KNOW THAT THEY'VE DONE OTHER EVENTS HERE.
I THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD PROVIDED THEIR OWN LICENSE.
>> YEAH. IT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY DO.
IF THEY SELL A MARYLAND PRODUCT, WHICH TEN EYCK IS, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN.
>>BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE NOT?
>> RIGHT. THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED SO MANY PER YEAR.
THIS MAY NOT BE WITHIN THEIR, OR THE ATC MIGHT NOT HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO.
I'VE NOT MADE ANY CONTACT WITH THEM.
I'VE ONLY TALKED TO THEM MAYBE TWICE IN THE LAST YEAR.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S SOME OF THE RULES THAT GO WITH THAT.
>> THEY'LL BE SELLING THE DRINKS?
>> YES. WE WILL NOT [OVERLAPPING] CORRECT.
>> THEY'RE SELLING IT. I'LL BE THERE OBVIOUSLY, BUT I WON'T BE SELLING THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> MORE THAN LIKELY, YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING IT BECAUSE THE MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY DID IT THAT WAY.
>> OKAY. DO THEY CARD OR DO YOU CARD?
>> I HAVE A TIPS MYSELF AND SO DOES MICHAEL SHIPLEY, WHO WILL BE HELPING THEM. HE USUALLY DOES.
THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING ME WITH A CARD THAT I WILL BE SENDING TO YOU AS SOON AS THEY GET IT TO ME.
WE ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO DO THE SAME VENDOR WE HAD BEEN USING AND THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, SO WE GOT THIS OTHER VENDOR AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN THEIR TIPS CARD YET.
BUT THEY WILL BE GETTING IT TO ME AND I WILL BE GETTING TO THEM.
>>MS. MOORE HAS TAKEN MY TIPS CLASS.
I KNOW SHE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> DO YOU GUYS DO WRISTBANDS OR ANYTHING?
>> WILL YOU DO WRISTBANDS OR ANYTHING?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CAROLINE COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY BLUE JEAN BALL ON APRIL 27TH.
I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE 9:00-4:00 WHICH IS ON THE APPLICATION FOR IT SAYS BEER AND WINE.
IT'S WHAT IS MARKED AT THE 4-H PARK ON DETOUR ROAD.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION FOR A TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY'S BLUE JEAN FESTIVAL FOR APRIL 27TH FROM 9:00-4:00.
>> I'LL GET THAT CARD. [INAUDIBLE]. THANKS.
>> MOVING ON. OUR NEXT ORDER IS THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 29.
[American Legion Caroline Post #29- Special Event Request]
THEY HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT REQUEST FOR ANNUAL CAR SHOW ON DISPLAY.I NEED YOU BOTH TO STAND SO YOU CAN DO THE OATH, PLEASE.
DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, EACH ONE OF YOU.
>> JACK SMITH, GREENSBORO MARYLAND, 13932 CEDAR LANE.
>> MARTIN J. HOWE, JR. YOU CAN CALL ME JIM, ON TOURISM MARKET, AND WE'RE BOTH PRINCIPALS OF THE SONS OF THE AMERICAN LEGIONS.
>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED.
>> I DID THIS LAST YEAR, SO I GUESS THIS IS A REPEAT OF LAST YEAR WITH DIFFERENT DATES.
OUR SONS OF THE AMERICAN LEGION, WHICH IS A PROGRAM OF THE AMERICAN LEGION, DOES DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT THEY LIKE TO SPONSOR, WE'LL SAY, AND THEY WANT TO DO THE CAR CRUISINGS OR CLASSIC CARS OR WHATEVER CAR SOMEBODY BRINGS IN.
THEY WILL PARK IT IN THEIR PARKING LOT, DISPLAY IT.
AND NEEDLESS TO SAY, PEOPLE LIKE WALKING OUT OF THE BUILDING WITH ALCOHOL, AND WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IN THIS IS THE SAME EXACT THING WE PROPOSED LAST YEAR.
WE HAVE CONES, WE HAVE SIGNS, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE MONITORING IT, AND WE'LL JUST HAVE A CERTAIN AREA THEY CAN PARK.
IT WOULD BASICALLY EXPAND THE GRASSY AREA OR THE APPROVED AREA OF WHICH THE PERSONS COULD TAKE ALCOHOL.
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ALL ALCOHOL ON OUR PROPERTY WILL BE SERVED FROM OUR MAIN LOUNGE FROM TIPS CERTIFIED BAR ATTENDERS AND AT THAT TIME THEY CAN TAKE IT OUT, OF COURSE, WITH YOUR APPROVAL.AND WHAT I'VE DONE, I'M TRYING TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE US EVERY MONTH AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU EVERY MONTH.
SO TRAY KNOWS HE IS MORE THAN INVITED TO COME TO OUR POST AT ANYTIME FOR ANY REASON.
AND WHAT I'VE DONE, I'VE SUBMITTED THE DATES OF WHICH THEY SAY THEY WILL HAVE IT.
AND WHAT I WILL DO, I WILL NOTIFIED BY EMAIL BETH AND TRAY TO JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS PLANNED FOR THAT DAY EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A COFFEE ALREADY, AND JUST TO SHOW EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE NOTHING.
>> I WENT TO SEVERAL OF THEM LAST YEAR.
AND FOR THE MOST PART, GUYS, EVERYBODY ROLLS IN, THEY TAKE THEIR CHAIRS OUT OF THE TRUNK OR THEIR CAR, THEY HANG AROUND OR BAKE DINNER TIME.
FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYONE GOES INSIDE, GETS SOMETHING TO EAT AND A FEW MIGHT COME BACK OUT WITH A BEER OR A DRINK, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYBODY STAYS INSIDE.
AND WHEN THEY GET READY TO ROLL OUT, THEY ROLL OUT.
BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THERE'LL BE TWO OR THREE GUYS WALKING AROUND WITH A BEER IN THE AREA.
>> THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO COVER.
>> AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE THERE ONCE LAST YEAR WHILE I WAS THERE.
>> I WAS. LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO DEAL WITH THE LEGION.
MR. HOWE IS GREAT ABOUT LETTING ME KNOW THINGS AND WE'RE ALWAYS COMMUNICATION.
WE JUST TALKED YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS.
THE EVENT WAS VERY GOOD, AND THEY HAVE QUITE A VERY GOOD FEW TIPS TRAINED PEOPLE.
THEY'VE TAKEN A BUNCH OF MY TIPS CLASSES AND THEY PASSED ALL THEIR UNDERAGE CHECKS AS UP TO THIS POINT.
SO AS FAR AS MY RECOMMENDATION, THEY HAVE IT.
>> YOU'RE NOT ASKED. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S PRETTY MUCH WEATHER RELATED, BECAUSE I KEEP UP WITH YOU ALL ON FACEBOOK.
>> RIGHT. AND USUALLY IF THE APRIL 17TH IS A WASHOUT, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A RESCHEDULED, IT'S JUST GOING TO COME IN ON THE MAY 22ND DATE.
>> ALL OF THEIR EVENTS FROM THE TURKEY SHOOTS TO THEIR LINE DANCING TO EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE, TYPICALLY THEY KNOW THAT THEY SEE ME AROUND, NEW YEAR'S, MEMORIAL DAY, VETERANS DAY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE NEVER HAD A VIOLATION WITH THEM AT ALL, NOT EVEN A VERBAL.
>> I'M FINE WITH THEM ON THEIR EVENTS.
>> I NOTICED THAT THE ROPED OFF AREA IN THE MAP IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AREA AS THE TURKEY SHOOT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH HERE.
>> I'D FIGURED EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT BUT NOT MUCH.
>> FOLLOWING IN ON THE PARKING LOT.
>> AND I'M GOING TO LIST THE DATES, JUST TO COVER EVERYTHING, BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 29 CAR SHOW REQUEST FOR APRIL 17TH, MAY 22ND, JUNE 19TH, JULY 17TH, AUGUST 21ST, SEPTEMBER 11TH, OCTOBER 16TH, FROM 5:00-8:00 PM.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 29'S CAR SHOWS.
>> I ASSUME THE SEPTEMBER 11TH ONE YOU'LL HAVE MAYBE SOMETHING A LITTLE SPECIAL GOING ON THAT DAY ANYWAY?
>> I CAN'T COMMENT. THERE'S SOMETHING TO CHANGE IN THE PLACE.
>> MIKE FRY, LAST YEAR WAS A GUY, CAME AROUND, DID SOME TICKETS AND HE AND I TALKED SOME ABOUT MAYBE DOING SOME 50-50S IN DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THEN LAST YEAR, I ALSO WENT INTO A LOT OF THE DENTON CRUISINGS.
THE LEGION POST OVER IN CENTREVILLE HAD FLYERS, JUST A LITTLE FLYER MADE UP.
AND THEY WALKED THROUGH ALL THOSE CARS AND PUT FLYERS IN THOSE CARS TO TRY TO GET THEM TO COME OUT TO THEIR SHELL.
>> THEY'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE ON THINGS.
>> BUT SEE MIKE, I WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND MAYBE HE DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> BECAUSE MIKE IS A GOOD ONE FOR A SIMPLE REASON.
HE'S TIPS CERTIFIED WHEN HE KNOWS WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
BUT EVERY YEAR, EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY HAS AN ATTITUDE CHANGE AND WE'RE DEALING
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WITH 160 LEGIONNAIRES AND ANOTHER 300 ON SONS, AND INCLUDING WOMEN TOO, AND BALL.>> WELL, I ENJOYED A SUNDAY BREAKFAST.
I THINK WE'VE GOT THREE MORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> I THINK THE FATHER'S DAY IS THE LAST.
THERE'S ONE IN APRIL 2 AND MAY 12 OF MOTHER'S DAY, AND THE OTHER ONE IS ON FATHER'S DAY.
>> WE TRY TO DO THINGS WHEN PEOPLE SHOW UP, AND THEN WE TRY AND TURN IT OFF FOR A WHILE.
>> WELL, THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
>> NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS. WE HAVE THE GREENSBORO QUICK SHOP,
[Greensboro Quick Shop- Request to Expand Licensed Premise Area]
LOOKING FOR A REQUEST TO EXPAND THE LICENSE PREMISE.PLEASE COME FORWARD. EXCUSE ME.
I GET YOU TO HOLD YOUR RIGHT HAND UP AND WE'LL DO THE OATH.
DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> JAIME PATEL IN GREENSBORO MARYLAND, 302 HOLDEN.
>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED IF YOU'D LIKE, AND WE'LL PROCEED.
>> I'LL JUST START AND THEN JAY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LET'S SEE. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
>> LET ME JUST WALK THROUGH HERE TO POINT OUT.
THIS IS THE STORE AREA AS IT EXISTS NOW.
ALL OF THIS BACK HERE IS GOING TO BE REBUILT.
THE ALCOHOL LIQUOR IS GENERALLY KEPT HERE, BOTTLES IN THE STORAGE AND EVERYTHING.
BEER IS GENERALLY UP HERE IN THIS [INAUDIBLE] WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW RETAIL SPACES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO NEW RETAIL.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BACK WALK-IN CORRIDOR WITH GLASS DOORS LIKE YOU SEE [INAUDIBLE] BEVERAGE UP THERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE LARGER, OF COURSE, SO THAT THEY HAVE MORE STORAGE.
THERE WILL BE OF COURSE STORAGE HERE.
THIS IS THE COOLER PART, I'M GOING TO SAY COOLER IS GOING TO BE STORAGE, SO THE ALCOHOL IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED TO THIS AREA.
THERE'LL STILL BE ALCOHOL THERE MAYBE, AND THERE TOO.
THIS SEPARATES LIQUOR FROM [INAUDIBLE].
HE'S ADDING TO THE PREMISE, IT'S GETTING LARGER AND MORE CONVENIENT BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE SPACE.
YOU'VE BEEN THERE RECENTLY, AND THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS.
WITH THAT, COULD I POINT OUT CORRECTLY, JAY?
>> THAT WHOLE EXPANSION, THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING BUILDING?
>> THAT'S ALL A NEW BUILDING THAT'S ADDED ONTO THAT.
>> NEW FOUNDATION, NEW FOOTPRINT.
>> IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL STORE AT THIS POINT.
>> WITH A LOT OF STUFF INSIDE.
>> THIS IS NOT A LICENSEE THAT WE REALLY HAVE TROUBLE WITH, IS IT, TRAY?
>> IN RECENT MONTHS, THEY'VE GOT A FEW VERBAL WARNINGS.
NO REAL VIOLATIONS, JUST, LIKE I SAID, VERBAL.
>> JUST FOR MY CURIOSITY, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOUBLING OR MORE THAN THAT. A SQUARE FOOTAGE?
>> I HAVE IT HERE. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU GLASSES.
YOU DON'T HAVE A GLASS. [LAUGHTER]
>> I KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE. [LAUGHTER]
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>> IT'S GOING TO BE 32 BY 27 NEW AVENUES.
>> IF YOU CAN DO THE MATH, THAT'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE.
>> WELL, IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY EXPAND A WHOLE LOT ON.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THERE WASN'T MUCH FOOTPRINT THERE.
>> THE PERMITS ARE ALREADY FILED WITH THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO TO FILE.
>> HAVE YOU STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET OR YOU HAVEN'T STARTED IT YET?
>> WILL THERE BE ANY EXIT DOORS IN THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE ADDING TO?
>> NO. THERE WILL BE NO EXIT DOORS LEADING TO THE OUTSIDE.
>> THESE ARE DOORS THAT CUSTOMERS CAN OPEN, AND THEN BACK OF THAT IS A COOLER.
>> I SHOULD ADD THE CASH REGISTER SECTION WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE SELLING FROM IS STILL GOING TO STAY WHERE IT IS BY THE FRONT DOOR.
SO YOU CAN'T GET OUT, CAN'T GET IN, OR CAN'T GET OUT WITHOUT BEING CARTED.
I THINK THEY DO HAVE A SYSTEM NOW WHERE, I THINK, YOU SCAN IN LICENSES AND THEY COVER THE AGES FOR LOTTERY, FOR ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO.
>> IS THAT A MANDATORY THING THAT THEY'RE DOING OR ARE THEY JUST DOING IT AS THEY FEEL NEEDED?
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. NO, IT'S NOT A MANDATORY, I DON'T THINK.
YOU'RE DOING IT AS NEEDED THING, LIKE BARGAIN BEVERAGE WHEN YOU GO THERE.
I GO TO BARGAIN BEVERAGE A LOT.
NOW THEY CARD EVERYBODY AND THEY DON'T HAVE A SCANNING SYSTEM.
WHAT THEY HAVE IS THEY TAKE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, THEY PLUG IN YOUR BIRTHDAY INTO THE CASH REGISTER SYSTEM.
WHEN YOU GET YOUR RECEIPT, YOUR BIRTHDAY IS ON THERE.
I KEEP SAYING I DON'T NEED A RECEIPT, I KNOW WHEN MY BIRTHDAY IS.
BUT THEY HAVE A SCANNING SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S GETTING COMPLICATED NOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW OLD SOMEBODY IS FOR TOBACCO PRODUCTS, FOR LOTTERY, FOR ALCOHOL.
YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY SITTING HERE TRYING TO CALCULATE THE BIRTH DATES AND EVERYTHING, AND TOBACCO HAS BECOME VERY ACTIVE NOW, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, SALES OF UNTAXED TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND SALES TO MINORS.
ONE OF THE DEPUTIES FOR CAROLINE COUNTY RAN FOR SHERIFF LAST TIME, CAME IN SECOND BEHIND DONNIE BAKER.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME. I'M THINKING OF IT NOW.
BUT HE'S MOVED OVER TO THIS SYSTEM WHICH IS TOBACCO AND CANNABIS.
>> STOUFFER, THAT'S WHO IT IS.
HE'S THE EASTERN SHORE INVESTIGATOR AND HE'S BEEN VERY ACTIVE, AN INTERESTING SYSTEM BECAUSE THE TOBACCO NOW IS SET UP UNDER THE GOVERNOR.
IT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND IT'S A SEPARATE DIVISION UNDERNEATH THE GOVERNOR.
IT'S INTERESTING PROCEDURE, BUT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE OFFICER STOUFFER HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE.
BUT STILL THE STORE OWNERS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AGES ALL THE TIME, SO I RECOMMEND TO ALL MY PEOPLE.
YOU EITHER GET A SCANNING SYSTEM OR A SYSTEM LIKE BARGAIN BEVERAGE HAS.
>> THE STEPS INVOLVED, YOU GOT MULTIPLE APPROVALS YOU'VE GOT TO GET.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS BUILDING ITSELF.
YOU APPLIED TO GREENSBORO, AND I GUESS YOU HAVE TO APPLY TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR THE STATE.
>> NO. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
>> WHAT TIME FRAME ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR YOUR PROJECT?
>> RIGHT NOW I'M WAITING FOR THE UNDERGROUND WATER LINE, SEWER LINE, AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE QUOTATION I'M GETTING, RIGHT WISE AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 6-51.
>> WOULD YOU HAVE ANY FEELINGS?
>> I ACTUALLY THINK IT WILL BE GOOD FOR HIS BUSINESS TO MAKE THIS EXPANSION IF I SEE IF THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO IS ISSUING HIM A BUILDING PERMIT, THAT THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH SETBACKS OR ANY ISSUES ALONG THERE.
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I SAID IF WE'VE HAD NO REAL MAJOR ISSUES WITH THE LICENSEE.I'M JUST READING THE CHANGES TO THE LICENSE PREMISE RULE THAT'S UP THERE AT 2.02.
I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES THAT COME TO MY MIND.
>> IT'S NOT. THEY'RE ALREADY HAVE A PRESENCE.
>> THEY'RE JUST MAKING IT BIGGER BUT IT'S ALREADY THERE.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SELLING YOU SELL WINE AND ALCOHOL NOW, I BELIEVE. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
>> DID THEY COME BACK TO US WHEN THEY'VE ACTUALLY START CONSTRUCTION OR HOW? WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP?
>> THERE WOULD BE AN INSPECTION AFTERWARDS.
THEY WOULD NOTIFY AND LIKE I SAID, I DO TYPICAL INSPECTIONS IN THERE SO I WOULD NOTICE.
BUT THEY SHOULD NOTIFY US THAT, HEY, CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE AND THEN I WOULD DO AN INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ALL DOES FOLLOW THE BLUEPRINT THAT IS PROVIDED.
>> I JUST HAD SOMEONE POINT THAT OUT TO ME.
>> HE MIGHT BE THERE ANYWAY, AREN'T YOU? DON'T YOU DEAL WITH ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS?
>> SOMETIMES, UNLESS I'M NOT LUCKY.
>> WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME THERE FOR THAT ANYWAY.
>> AS OF TODAY, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT, BUT IT HAS THE FINAL APPROVAL HAS TO ACTUALLY, WE CAN MAKE IT A PENDING COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, I GUESS BECAUSE WE CAN'T NECESSARILY SAY, YOU CAN DO IT TODAY.
WE CAN MAKE THAT APPROVAL AND THEN ONCE YOU COMPLETED THE PROCESS, THEN I GUESS YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND WE CAN DO THE WRITTEN APPROVAL.
>> TWIST IS HERE UPON COMPLETION OF THE MODIFICATIONS AND THE RELEASE OF ANY NECESSARY PERMITS ENDING APPROVAL OR ANY REQUIRED INSPECTIONS, THE BOARD WILL ISSUE A FINAL WRITTEN APPROVAL.
I GUESS WE'RE MORE OR LESS A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL.
>> MAKING AN APPROVAL FOR HIM TO MAKE THE CHANGES WITH A FINAL INSPECTION FROM THE LIQUOR INSPECTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE HAD BEEN NO CHANGES TO THE BLUEPRINTS OR THE DRAWINGS.
IF THERE IS A CHANGE, IF SOMETHING COMES UP.
YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY US ABOUT THAT.
IF IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY GO, WE DIDN'T EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE IF INSPECTOR MOORE COMES OUT TO INSPECT THE FINAL, AND HE NOTICES SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THERE, THEN YOU MAY BE DENIED AT THAT POINT AND THEN YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE EXPENSE AND NOT BE ABLE TO START STOCKING.
>> IT'S DEFINITELY QUOTING. HE'S ALMOST QUOTING THE RULE AND REGULATION THAT ANY ALTERCATION OR ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, YOU GOT TO COME BACK TO US.
>> DURING CONSTRUCTION, ALL THE ALCOHOL WILL STILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY?
>> GOOD. IT'LL REMAIN IN YOUR IN YOUR OLD ALCOHOL PREMISE UNTIL YOU GET THE BUILD OUT DONE.
TIME OF THE BUILD OUT IS DONE, THEY'LL NEED TO CONTACT YOU SO THAT YOU CAN INSPECT IT AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE FINAL APPROVAL ON IT.
>> BOB, I GUESS THIS IS ALL COVERED IN SECTION 202 OF THE STATES OF MARYLAND?
>> THIS IS YOUR REGULATIONS 202.
>> COUNTY REGULATIONS AS LONG AS.
I WOULD THINK WE CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW. ARE YOU OKAY?
>> THE COMPTROLLER HAS A PROCESS TOO BUT THE COMPTROLLER IS MOSTLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO STORE BEVERAGES IN AN OUTSIDE LOCATION.
YOU HAVE TO SHED OUT BACK OR YOU HAVE A TRUCK TRAILER OUT.
>> THIS IS THE EXISTING PART OF THE BUILDING.
COMPTROLLER REALLY GETS INVOLVED WHEN YOU HAVE A SEPARATED STORAGE AREA.
>> AT THIS POINT WE'RE ONLY MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE OR REQUEST TO EXPAND LICENSED PREMISE AREA.
>> PENDING FINAL APPROVAL WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT AND THEN WE CHECK.
>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE GREENSBORO QUICK SHOP'S REQUEST TO ADD ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR
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WORKING COOLERS CONSISTENT WITH COUNTY REGULATION 2-02.>> IT'S BEEN MOVED, AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS EXPANSION REQUEST FOR GREENSBORO QUICK SHOP.
>> GOOD LUCK AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS.
>> I'M NOT HERE FOR A VIOLATION AND I WANT TO CLARIFY
>> JUST REMEMBER, IF THIS TAKES A LITTLE LONGER TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED, AND YOU'RE NOT STARTING.
I KNOW THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO, YOUR PERMITS ARE ONLY GOOD FOR A YEAR.
MAKE SURE YOU ACTUALLY NOTIFY US ABOUT THAT ALSO.
>> I WANT TO DO THE SAME DECEMBER.
>> I WAS INTERESTED IN THE CAR SHOW BECAUSE MY 65 MUSTANG CONVERTIBLE IS ALMOST FULLY RESTORED.
>> WE THOUGHT WE HAD IT FINISHED AND THEN SUNDAY WE TRIED IT OUT AND ONE THING WE HADN'T CHANGED WAS THE ALTERNATOR. SEE YOU ALL LATER.
>> NEXT ITEM IS WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH THE RETAIL ALCOHOL DELIVERY. YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD?
[Discussion- Retail Alcohol Delivery]
>> I DON'T THINK SO. IT'S JUST DISCUSSION.
WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY MOTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE JUST TALKING.
>> CAN I GIVE THESE TO YOU GUYS?
>> YOU GOT COPIES FOR EVERYONE?
>> I THINK I DO. I LOOKED AT THE QUEEN ANNE COUNTY CODE AND TALBOT COUNTY CODE, AND QUEEN ANNE ACTUALLY DOES HAVE, ON THEIR WEBSITE, THE CLASS A DELIVERY PERMIT, AND IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THE STATE CODE IS.
TALBOT COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, SO I CALLED THEM, HAD A FAIRLY LONG DISCUSSION WITH THE THE CRYSTAL PATH THERE.
SHE SAID THAT THEY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RULES ABOUT IT OTHER THAN WHATEVER THE STATE CODE SAID, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
THERE'S NO NO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
SHE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IF THE LIQUOR STORES CONTRACTED WITH ANY HANDHELD DEVICES OR THAT KIND OF THING.
WE DID MEET WITH TWO OF THE TOP IV SCANNING COMPANIES IN MARYLAND, AND THEY HAVE HANDHELD DEVICES, THEY DON'T REQUIRE WIFI, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT INTERNET CONNECTION OR ANYTHING.
THEY ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED WHERE THEY HAD A REGULAR SCANNER THAT SAID A LICENSE WAS FINE AND THEN THEY HAD THEIR SCANNER CAUGHT IT AS FAKE.
THEY USE THEM IN A LOT OF THE CLUBS WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO RETAIL THE HANDHELD SCANNERS.
THE STATE REQUIRES A LOG BOOK.
THEY SAY IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAD DURING COVID AND BOTH QUEEN ANNE'S AND TALBOT USE THAT.
THEN WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THE EXACT TIMES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE NOON TO 10:00.
WE MAY EVEN MAKE IT 2:00-10:00, BUT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO PRE ORDER, LIKE FOR WEDDINGS, THAT KIND OF THING.
THEY COULD PRE ORDER AND WE WOULD DELIVER IT IF THEY NEEDED AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE THE WEDDING STARTS AT NOON AND ANY TIME, THEN WE WOULD DELIVER IT FOR THAT, BUT OUR REGULAR GO ON THE WEBSITE AND CALL IN AN ORDER THAT WOULD NOT START BEFORE THAT.
THEN I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT ALL ORDERS BE PAID BY CREDIT CARD SO THAT OUR DELIVERY GUYS DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CASH THAT AND THAT KIND OF THING.
>> NOT THAT, BUT YOU'RE GUARANTEED YOU'RE PAID BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE STORE WITH THE PRODUCT.
>> READING EVERYTHING, I REALLY LIKE THE WAY QUEEN ANNE HAD STUFF WORDED BETTER THAN TALBOT DID.
>> TALBOT IS A COUNTY THAT THE RULES ARE IT VARIES,
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BUT A LOT OF STUFF IS VERY OLD SCHOOL.>> I DID LIKE THAT DELIVERY LOG.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT QUEEN ANNE'S DOES TOO.
I DIDN'T SEE ONE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ENVISIONING.
>> YOU WOULD KEEP A LOG EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A DELIVERY?
>> ONE QUESTION COMES TO MIND, AND I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING PRE SALE, SO YOU CHARGE THEM WHEN YOU TAKE THE ORDER, YOU CHARGE THEM BEFORE YOU LEAVE OR WHATEVER TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING PAID.
NOW, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WHEN YOU GOT THERE, IT'S STILL UP TO YOUR DISCRETION OF WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY GIVE THEM THE ALCOHOL.
YOU'VE ALREADY CHARGED HIM FOR THAT ALCOHOL.
>> WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REFUND THE CHARGE, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
>> I CAN SEE THAT GETTING A STICKY SITUATION.
>> BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY INSTITUTE SOME KIND OF A RULE WHERE IF WE COME OUT THERE AND YOU'RE NOT THERE, SOMEONE THAT CAN TAKE ALCOHOL OR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DETERMINED THAT WE SHOULDN'T SELL IT TO YOU, THERE'S STILL SOME FEE, WHETHER IT'D BE $5 $10, WHATEVER, BUT WE WOULD REFUND THE CHARGE OF THE ALCOHOL.
>> TAKE ME THROUGH THE PRIDE LIST.
LET'S SAY CRYSTAL IS HOSTING THE PARTY FOR MINORS. ERASE THAT PARTY.
>> THIS TIME SHE'S GETTING CAUGHT.
>> BUT LET'S SAY THE CUSTOMER CALLS YOU OR COMES INTO THE STORE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO WAYS THIS WORKS, IS THAT RIGHT? THEY CALL YOU OR THEY COME IN TO THE STORE, THEY CONTACT YOU.
>> THEY COULD GO ON THE WEBSITE AND PLACE A CART ORDER, BUT THEY COULDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE PAYMENT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO PHYSICALLY, EITHER COME IN OR CALL US, TO VERIFY THE INFORMATION IN THE CARD.
>> THE CREDIT CARD INFORMATION.
>> IF IT'S THEY WANT IT DELIVERED NOW, THERE THEN ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES WOULD GATHER EVERYTHING UP, PUT IT IN A BOX, SEAL THE BOX, TAKE IT OUT TO THE VEHICLE.
>> BUT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT YOUR CREDIT CARD.
>> WHEN YOUR EMPLOYEE WALKS OUT THAT DOOR?
>> THE EMPLOYEE HAS SOME TYPE OF SCANNER. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
>> YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE A HANDHELD SCANNER SIMILAR TO WHAT WE USE IN THE STORE WHERE IT SCANS THE ID.
>> THEN IF HE OR SHE IS SATISFIED, THEY HAND THIS TO THE PERSON WHO'S OVER 21 THAT MEETS THE RULES?
>> IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, LIKE THE PERSON IS NOT THERE THAT'S 21, YOUR EMPLOYEE PUTS IT BACK INTO THE CAR, YOU GET THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, BUT THE OTHER MONEY IS-
>> EXACTLY. IF YOU COME INTO THE STORE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A ID, YOU DON'T GET IT.
THAT'S THE BASICS OF HOW IT WOULD WORK.
WE REQUIRE THE CUSTOMER WHO PRESENTS THE ID TO SIGN, ACCEPTING DELIVERY.
>> THEN WHEN IS THIS LOG BOOK?
>> WE FILL IT OUT EVEN BEFORE THE DRIVER LEAVES.
I WOULD PREFER TO ADD A COLUMN WHERE IT HAS A CUSTOMER SIGNATURE, BUT IF NOT, WE WOULD THEN KEEP THE RECEIPTS WITH THAT BOOK, WITH THAT CUSTOMER'S SIGNATURE THAT MATCHES THE ID THAT WAS VERIFIED.
>> WHEN YOU'RE DELIVERING, YOU GOT THE PERSON THAT PRESENTED THE ID OR WHATEVER, THAT ORDERED IT YOU'RE DELIVERING, YOU'RE NOT LEAVING IT UNLESS THAT PERSON IS THE PERSON THAT'S SIGNING FOR IT.
>> WELL, HERE'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
>> THIS WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, EXCEPT THAT, LET'S SAY, THAT THE FATHER OF THE BRIDE COMES IN AND PAYS FOR THE LIQUOR ORDER THAT WE'RE DELIVERING TO COW BARN OR WE'RE DELIVERING TO HIS HOME BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BIG TENT OUT BACK AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE HAVING THEIR RECEPTION, BUT HE'S AT THE CHURCH.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER IT TO WHOEVER HIS DESIGNATED PERSON IS.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE THAT.
>> I ACTUALLY GOT A QUESTION AND THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR CRYSTAL.
I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT SINCE YOU'RE SITTING HERE [OVERLAPPING] AND ACTUALLY THIS MIGHT BE FOR TRAY AS WELL.
[NOISE] MY OTHER JOB, MY BOSS LIVES IN LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK.
[NOISE] EVERY CHRISTMAS, I SEND HIM EITHER A BOTTLE OF LIQUOR OR A BOTTLE OF WINE.
I ORDERED IT ONLINE AND HAVE IT SENT TO HIM.
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NOW, HE HAS TO SHOW ID WHEN THEY DELIVER IT.IT'S FEDEX OR UPS OR SOMEBODY THAT'S DELIVERING IT.
WE'VE DONE EXPERIMENTS ON THIS WHERE WE'VE ORDERED ALCOHOL.
>> I'M SURE I COULD GO RIGHT ONLINE RIGHT NOW AND ORDER WINE OR LIQUOR AND HAVE IT DELIVERED TO MY HOUSE FROM THESE COMPANIES, WHEREVER.
>> YOU CAN GET BEER SENT THROUGH THE MAIL, AND THEY WILL NOT CHECK ANY ID.
I DON'T LIKE THE LOOSENESS OF THAT.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS IF I WALK IN THE STORE AND BUY IT, YOU'RE CHECKING MY ID.
YOU KNOW THAT I'M TAKING IT OUT OF THE STORE, I'M THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT IS A VERY GOOD AWARENESS SCENARIO WHERE TO FOLLOW BRYAN, HE HAS TO BE AT THE CHURCH.
SO MAYBE AT THAT POINT THE FATHER BUYING IT SHOULD BE PAID FOR IT, BUT NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS LIABLE FOR IT.
THERE'S GOT TO BE A LIABILITY ISSUE THERE.
EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE GET CLOSER.
BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS, I'M LIKE, FOR ONE, THE EXPENSE OF THE SCANNERS, THE EXPENSE OF YOU LOSING AN EMPLOYEE MAYBE FOR AN HOUR, IS IT REALLY WORTH IT?
>> WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I SAID I'M PERFECTLY CONTENT WITH GOING 3-6 MONTH TEMPORARY TRIAL.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THAT WE MAY SAY IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT, BUT WE THINK IT WILL BE OVER THE LONG RUN.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WORTH IT THE FIRST WEEK THEN.
>> THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE ISSUES, IF I'M SITTING WITH MARTIN AT STATE PARK CAMPING.
>> THE OTHER ISSUE IS I LEFT SUICIDE BRIDGE RESTAURANT AT TWO O'CLOCK I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE BACK TO IT IN THE DATE AREA BY 4:00.
WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF BEER ON THE BOAT.
>> UNLESS SOMEBODY THAT'S PERFECTLY SOBER IS THERE TO TAKE THE DELIVERY.
>> IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TO A PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
>> THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW IN A PUBLIC AREA.
>> THE YACHT CLUB, IF THEY BROUGHT IT TO THE BOAT RAMP, NOW THE YACHT CLUB WOULD BE IN TROUBLE. THEY'D BE IN TROUBLE.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE IF YOU DELIVERED TO THE YACHT CLUB, THE YACHT CLUB'S LICENSE SAYS, YOU CAN'T HAVE ALCOHOL OFF PREMISE.
I WOULD THINK THERE'S A LOT THERE STILL.
>> I'M PERFECTLY FINE IF IT IS WHAT THE RULES SAYS, YOU CAN ONLY MEET TO A PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
>> THEN AS WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT, CASTLE HALL IF THEY BECOME LIKE A B&B TYPE ORDEAL.
>> WE GOT AWAY FROM MY QUESTION.
HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM BUYING IT ONLINE?
>> I THINK THIS IS MORE SECURE?
>> NO, I'M SAYING THEM HOUSE IS DIFFERENT.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. I CAN GO ONLINE, BUY A CASE OF WINE, DELIVERED TO MY HOUSE.
ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S GOING TO ASK ME TO PUT IN MY BIRTH-DATE AND VERIFY I'M 21.
>> THAT'S IT. I CAN PUT ANYBODY'S BIRTH-DATE OR SAY I'M 21.
I HAVE TO SIGN FOR THE DELIVERY WHEN IT ARRIVES.
>> BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I'M ORDERING IT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AS A GIFT.
IT'S BEING DELIVERED TO THAT PERSON.
THERE'S A LOT, I'M NOT THERE TO SIGN.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT.
LIKE SAID, THE MOM OR DAD, AN OLDER PERSON ORDERED IT WITH THEIR CREDIT CARD.
WELL, NOW YOU SOLD ALCOHOL TO A PERSON UNDER 21, BUT NOW YOU DELIVERED IT TO ANOTHER PERSON.
SO THEN YOU WOULD BE CHARGED FOR DELIVERING ALCOHOL TO A PERSON UNDER 21. THE SAME CHARGE.
>> CRYSTAL, THIS IS THE QUEEN ANN COUNTY, READING THIS.
>> CAN YOU PULL UP THE RULES AND REGS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] NO SALES TO ANYONE UNDER 21.
>> OVER HERE, CRYSTAL, IT SAYS, ALL LICENSEES GRANTED PERMISSION TO DELIVER
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ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SHALL REQUIRE IDENTIFICATION FROM THE RECIPIENT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.I GO ON TO READ THIS, IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT I WOULD LIKE IT TO SAY, THAT YOU HAVE TO BE THE PERSON WHO ORDERED IT, MEETS AND SUBMITS IDENTIFICATION THINGS THAT YOU CAN VERIFY.
YOU HAVE TO VERIFY THIS SOMEHOW.
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS WILL ALLOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME PERSON WHO ORDERED IT, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE 21-YEARS-OLD WHEN YOU GET TO THE PREMISE.
>> I THINK MAYBE WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IS LOOK AT YOUR LOCAL RULE AND REG FOR WHAT WOULD THE POTENTIAL VIOLATION BE? IF ANYTHING, IT'S A VIOLATION OF SELLING TO UNDER 21, WHATEVER THE VERBIAGE IS IN OUR LANGUAGE. WHAT DOES IT SAY? THAT YOU CANNOT SELL.
WHATEVER THAT LANGUAGE IS, THAT'S WHAT THE CHARGE WOULD BE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE.
>> THE RULE COULD BE THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE US A CREDIT CARD, BUT WE DON'T CHARGE YOU UNTIL WE HAND IT TO YOU AND YOU PROVE WHO YOU ARE.
>> BECAUSE I THINK ULTIMATELY, TRAY, I DON'T KNOW, THE SALE, SO WHEN YOU'RE [OVERLAPPING] DOING AN UNDER 21 CHECK.
>> SAME THING AS A LIQUOR STORE IS SALE THEN, BUT IF YOU DO A WAITRESS OR A SIT-DOWN RESTAURANT IS DELIVERY BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU GET A DRINK AND I'LL GIVE YOU FIVE BUCKS. THAT'S WEIRD.
>> OR ACTUALLY WHEN YOU ORDER A GLASS OF WINE ON YOUR CHECK, NOBODY IS PAYING FOR IT.
>> THE LOOPHOLE IS GOING TO BE TO JUST LIKE WHEN WE DEAL WITH LIQUOR STORES.
YOU SEE THE 14-YEAR-OLD GIVE THE 22-YEAR-OLD 20 BUCKS, WELL, YOU JUST SAW AN INVISIBLE SITE AND YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE BUYING ALCOHOL FOR HIM, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH PICKING IT OUT.
WELL, YOU HAVE A PARTY OF 20 KIDS, WELL, SOMEBODY MIGHT BE 22.
WELL, YEAH, HE'S NOT 21 BUT I'M 22, I'LL SIGN FOR IT.
THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.
>> 2.26 IS WHAT YOUR REGULATION STATE FOR UNDER 21.
>> NO LICENSEE FOR ANY OF THEIR EMPLOYEES SHALL SELL OR FURNISH ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT ANY TIME TO A MINOR UNDER 21 YEARS OF AGE, EITHER FOR HIS OWN USE OR FOR THE USE OF ANY OTHER PERSON. IF SHE MAKES THE SALE, SHE HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHO SHE'S SELLING TO IS 21 OR WHOEVER YOU'RE FURNISHING IT TO, WHICH WOULD BE THE RECIPIENT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE ON THE OTHER AREA, EVERY LIQUOR CODE HAS THAT, EVERY LIQUOR CODE IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND.
>> THAT'S TAKEN FROM THE STATE BALL.
>> THERE'S WAYS TO WORK IT BECAUSE OTHER COUNTIES ARE.
>> READ THAT LEA'S PART AGAIN, OR EITHER TO.
>> FOR HIS OWN USE OR THE USE OF ANOTHER PERSON, MEANING YOU SHOULDN'T BE KNOWINGLY PROVIDING OR SELLING ALCOHOL TO SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW IS GOING TO PROVIDE IT TO SOMEONE UNDERAGE.
>> I ORDERED IT AND I'M THAT PERSON, KNOWING I'VE GOT KIDS IN HERE AT LEAST 21 OR YOUNGER THAN THAT.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO WALK IN THE STORE POSSIBLY WITH OTHER FRIENDS, SIBLINGS THAT MAY BE UNDER 21.
YOU CAN'T JUST ASSUME BECAUSE THEY CAME IN WITH SOMEONE THAT THEY'RE BUYING IT FOR THAT.
BUT IF SHE HAPPENED TO LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND SAW MONEY BEING EXCHANGED OUT AND THIS GUY COMES IN AND SHE SEES THEM GO OUT AND SELL, THEN THERE'S THAT INTENT.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT'S SOMETHING I SHOULD QUESTION.
>> WE'VE WE HAD A COMING CRIME, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
THERE WAS A GUY CAME IN AND HE HAD TO BE 50, AND HE WAS WITH THREE OBVIOUS STRAIGHT FROM [INAUDIBLE] KIDS.
HE CAME UP TO THE THING, [OVERLAPPING] HE SAID WE NEED TO SEE THE IDS OF EVERYBODY IN THERE.
>> THAT'S YOUR RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE.
>> THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU LEARN WHEN YOU WHEN YOU TAKE THE TIPS, IT'S A REASONABLE EFFORT.
>> IT'S A REASONABLE EFFORT TO STOP IT BECAUSE I CAN VERY WELL WALK IN WITH MY DAUGHTER IN A STORE, SHE'S 17 YEARS OLD.
I CAN BUY BEER, IT'S FOR ME, BUT YOU GOT TO GET THE FEELING OF HOW THAT'S BORN.
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>> WE'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE A 22-YEAR-OLD AND A 16-YEAR-OLD COME UP WITH THE CASH REGISTER, ODDS FOR ME.
WELL THE 16-YEAR-OLD CARRIED THE CASE OF BEER, SO HE'S ALREADY IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOL IN VIOLATION OF LAW AND YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW, OR IF YOU SEE MONEY OR THE PERSON SAYING, I WANT THIS AND THIS, I'VE SEEN THAT JUST STANDING BY THE CASH REGISTERS.
>> THAT'S ONE REASON FOR AN EMPLOYEE NOT TO POTENTIALLY MAKE THE SALE IF THEY WERE TO WITNESS THAT, BUT YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW.
>> YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY'RE GOING TO HAND IT TO IN THE CAR ONCE YOU GET OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SWIMMING UPSTREAM.
>> THAT'S NO DIFFERENT IN DELIVERY, WHETHER THEY CAME IN THE STORE AND PURCHASED IT AND LEFT WITH IT AND GAVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE OR DROPPED IT OFF AT A PARTY.
NO DIFFERENT THAN IF IT GOT DELIVERED TO THE HOUSE THAT THERE'S SIX UNDERAGE THERE.
>> IT'S LIKE THE STATE OF MARYLAND USED TO HAVE, YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING, AND THEN THEY USED THE WORD YOU SHALL.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHOULD AND SHALL.
THE PREFERRED PRACTICE IS THIS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE [OVERLAPPING] MARYLAND ALCOHOL LICENSING ASSOCIATION CALL ABOUT THIS, AND THERE'S BEEN RESEARCH AND STUDIES ON IT AND THERE'S BEEN ISSUES FOUND.
THERE'S BEEN ISSUES FOUND, BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN GOOD THINGS FOUND TOO.
>> THERE'S A LEVEL OF DUE DILIGENCE THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
>> AS A BOARD, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SET, LIKE I SAID, CERTAIN RULES THAT GO WITH IT.
LIKE I SAID, I LIKE THAT LOGBOOK ABOUT SIGNATURE BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOING TO GO BACK.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, SIGNATURE.
>> MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL LINE FOR PERSON THAT ORDERED ALCOHOL BECAUSE THERE'S A CUSTOMER'S NAME THAT RECEIVED ALCOHOL.
BUT IN CERTAIN CASES, OF COURSE, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE CREDIT CARD INFORMATION WHO ORDERED IT AND THEN WHO RECEIVED IT.
BUT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A SPOT FOR A SIGNATURE AND A SPOT FOR NAME OF PERSON THAT WILL PLACE THE ORDER.
>> WHICH MOST OF THE TIME IS GOING TO BE ONE AND THE SAME.
>> THIS HELPS OUT LAW ENFORCEMENT TOO BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'LL DO WHAT'S CALLED A TRACE INVESTIGATION.
IF SOMEONE LEAVES A BAR AND THEY GET IN AN ACCIDENT, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT ONE BACK, OR IF THEY LEFT A PARTY, THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHO BOUGHT THE ALCOHOL, WHERE THEY BUY THE ALCOHOL FROM, DID THEY HAVE AN ID, THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> THAT'S WHERE YOUR RECORDS COME INTO PLAY TO SAY, [OVERLAPPING] THE PERSON I SOLD TO WAS 21, WE DELIVERED IT.
THE PERSON THAT TOOK POSSESSION OF IT SIGNED AND THEY WERE 21.
WE CHECKED THEIR ID AND THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO.
>> I THINK KEEPING IT YOUR HOUR'S LIMITED TO 10:00 OR MAYBE EVEN 11:00 PM ELIMINATES THAT LAST MINUTE ALCOHOL PURCHASE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GETTING READY TO CLOSE AND WE WANT TO KEEP GOING TYPE OF THING, SO STILL WORK.
>> I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU WEREN'T LOOKING TO DO THIS WITH THAT LOGBOOK, I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE TO KEEP THE SAME LOGBOOK TO RUN AROUND AND HAVE EVERYBODY SIGN.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU LOSE IT? IT'S YOUR ONE COPY.
MAYBE THAT'S THE ONE THAT STAYS AT THE STORE, THAT ONE THE DELIVERY DRIVER COMES BACK, YOU FINISH FILLING OUT WHATEVER THE REMAINING INFORMATION IS, AND YOU HAVE YOUR DELIVERY TICKET.
MAYBE YOU COME UP WITH A FORM. [OVERLAPPING]
THEY SIGN THAT I RECEIVED THIS AND I CERTIFY THAT I'M 21 YEARS OF AGE AND I WILL NOT PROVIDE ALCOHOL TO SOMEONE UNDER THE AGE OF 21.
>> YOU COULD ALWAYS ADD THAT AS ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF COVERAGE TO SAY, I MADE THEM SIGN THIS TO SAY THEY UNDERSTOOD THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THIS TO SOMEONE UNDER 21. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE COULD HAVE THE CODE RIGHT ON THAT.
>> YOU CAN COME UP WITH LANGUAGE.
THEY WOULD SIGN IT, YOUR DELIVERY DRIVER WOULD SIGN IT TO VERIFY THAT MAYBE THE FINAL STATEMENT IS SUCH AND SUCH DATE.
ONE SHEET OF PAPER FOR EACH DELIVERY WHERE RECIPIENT SIGNS OFF AND UNDERSTANDS THE REGS AND THE DELIVERY DRIVER SIGNS OFF THAT THEY VERIFY THE ID.
>> IF YOU DO, YOUR RECORDS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON POINT BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? I'M GOING TO SHOW UP WHEN A WHOLE CASE OR SOMETHING JUST ROLLED OUT THERE.
WHEN YOU'RE MISSING A WHOLE CASE, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THEN YOU'LL TELL ME IT'S BEING DELIVERED.
I WON'T KNOW THAT, AND THEN I'LL WRITE A VIOLATION AND THEN WE'LL BE HERE.
>> SHE'LL HAVE HER LOG AT THE OFFICE WHERE THIS IS THERE FOR YOU TO SAY, DELIVERY DRIVER RIGHT NOW, THIS DATE AND TIME FOR THIS ALCOHOL ORDER.
BUT THEN YOU'LL HAVE THAT ONE SHEET, WHETHER THE PURCHASER IS NOT THE RECIPIENT.
IN YOUR CASE, YOU BOUGHT IT FOR SOMEONE OR IT'S THE WEDDING EVENT AND DAD PAID FOR IT, AND IT'S GOING HERE AND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S SETTING UP IS TAKING POSSESSION OF IT.
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YOU KNOW WHO BOUGHT IT AND YOU KNOW WHO RECEIVED IT AND YOU KNOW BOTH ARE 21.I THINK THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO IN AGE VERIFICATION IS TO DOCUMENT THAT, THE PURCHASER AND THE RECIPIENT.
>> CRYSTAL, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? IF QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY IS DOING IT, CAROLINE COUNTY IS DOING IT, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU CAN ADOPT REGULATIONS IF YOU WANT TO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
YOUR REGULATIONS ALREADY STATE THAT YOU ALLOW THIS BY APPROVAL BY THE BOARD OR YOU DO IT ON A CASE BY CASE.
YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND IF YOU WANT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OR CRITERIA FOR RED LIGHT LIQUORS VERSUS CAROLINE'S DELIVERING, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S MAYBE A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE DEPENDING ON THE ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S ASKING ON WHAT THEIR MAKEUP IS, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS OR YOU CAN JUST ADOPT RULES THAT ARE [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE ONE POLICY OR YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO THIS FAVORITE BUSINESS STUFF, AND IT OPENS UP THE BOARD FOR WHY DID YOU DO TO THIS PERSON, THIS BUSINESS.
>> IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHEN YOU SAY CAROLINE IS YOU CAN HAVE PACKAGED GOODS AND THEN IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO START DELIVERING THE EXPERIENCE, THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER THING BECAUSE CAROLINE CAN'T DELIVER.
>> THEY CAN'T DO A CONTAINER, RIGHT?
>>THEY CAN'T SELL IT RETAIL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY I ASKED. I KNOW DURING COVID, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO LET PEOPLE TAKE STUFF TO GO, BUT THAT ALL WENT AWAY.
BASICALLY YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT PACKAGED GOOD, PACKAGED STORES BEING ABLE TO DO THIS, CORRECT?
>> IT DIDN'T GO AWAY. WE'RE BACK TO THAT, AND I THINK FOR US TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT IS WRONG.
>> WELL, YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
>> BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE IN THERE.
>> IT BECAME POPULAR BECAUSE OF COVID.
>> I'D, BEFORE WE DO THAT, BEFORE WE MAKE IT INTO A RULE, ALSO LET LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOW BECAUSE IT'S VERY LIKELY THEY'LL PULL A CAR OVER THAT HAVE 40 CASES OF BEER AND THEY'LL SAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT? ARE YOU TAKING IT ACROSS COUNTY LINES, STATE LINES, SELL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> IS THERE A LIMIT TO HOW MANY OUNCES?
>> THERE'S NOT A LIMIT ON THAT, BUT IF YOU SAY IT'S FOR SALE, THEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THAT AND CHARGE YOU.
>> WELL, THE CAROLINE COUNTY ESTABLISHMENT CAN'T DELIVER TO TALBOT COUNTY.
>> I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER QUESTION, ROBIN, IS HOW WOULD YOU DETERMINE THE DELIVERY LOCATION THAT YOU ARE WITHIN CAROLINE COUNTY'S BOUNDARIES, WHAT KIND OF MECHANISM? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF SOME OF THESE ROADS IN CAROLINE COUNTY ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> I FEEL LIKE WE ALMOST NEED THIS DISCUSSION.
>> I THINK WE NEED STEWART HERE.
HE IS VERY INSIGHTFUL WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT UPON HIM.
I DON'T WANT TO JUST COPY SOMEBODY ELSE'S RULES AND REGULATIONS.
>> I DON'T WANT TO BE CLOSED DOOR TO THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO BE A FOLLOW THE LEADER EITHER.
BECAUSE TALBOT AND QUEEN ANNE IS DOING IT, WE SHOULD, BUT I THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION.
I DO THINK THAT MAYBE A SIX-MONTH TRIAL PERIOD, SEE HOW THINGS GO.
>> WE HAVE THE ABILITY WITHIN THE STATE REGULATIONS TO ADOPT REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS DELIVERY.
WHATEVER REGULATIONS YOU DECIDE UPON, YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT ANY STATE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE WITHIN THE LOCAL RULES.
>> YOU CAN BE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
YOU JUST CAN'T BE LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN THE STATE LAW.
>> STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN AUTHORIZE DELIVERY.
THEN IF YOU WANT TO RESTRICT THAT IN YOUR LOCAL RULES AND REGS TO SAY HOW YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT, YOU CAN.
AND I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT METHODS OF HOW YOU CAN BE CERTAIN YOU'RE DELIVERING IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> YOU GOT TO USE SOME ADDRESS FOR THEM NOW.
>> IF THEY GIVE YOU WHATEVER THE ADDRESS IS, YOU GO TO CAROLINE COUNTY AND YOU PLUG IN THAT STREET ADDRESS AND IT'S GOING TO COME UP AND SAYS, NO, IT'S NOT CAROLINE.
YOU WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT MIGHT BE DORCHESTER BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT DOWN THERE IN FEDERALSBURG, AND YOU GO LOOK IN DORCHESTER, AND THEN YOU CAN CLEARLY SAY WE MESSED UP.
AND TRUTHFULLY, WE'LL HAVE A RADIUS RANGE.
>> EVEN IF YOU GET CAUGHT ON A COUNTY ROAD, DORCHESTER, TALBOT, DELAWARE IS LIKE SOME PLACES IN COBLESBURG.
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>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLACES YOU'RE GOING TO CUT THROUGH DORCHESTER AND GET BACK TO CAROLINE.
>> I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RADIUS LIKE 10 MILES.
>> OR EVEN LIKE I SAY IN THE RADIUS, JUST GOT TAKE CARE OF THAT.
>> THERE'S CERTAINLY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO FOR YOU ON THAT ONE.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO DELIVER ME ALCOHOL UP IN HENDERSON'S.
>> I WAS JUST GENERAL RESIDENTIAL DELIVERY.
I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ANY OTHER DELIVERY SERVICE TO SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING PAST A CERTAIN MILEAGE.
>> THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE'S A LIMITS ON AMOUNTS THAT THEY CAN DELIVER.
>> IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU GET IN, YOU COULD HAVE TRACK AND TRAILER TO START.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BE LIKE KELLY AND ALL OF THEM DISTRIBUTORS.
THEY HAVE A LICENSE TO DELIVER THAT PRODUCT.
>> YOU CERTAINLY, AS THE BOARD, CAN MAKE THAT A CRITERIA IF YOU FELT LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE EVENT, IF IT IS DEFINITELY AN EVENT, A WEDDING OR SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO EXPECT TO HAVE MORE ALCOHOL DELIVERY BUT JUST A GENERAL RESIDENTIAL DELIVERY.
>> SO I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THE CATEGORIES AND LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WANT THEM TO REACH, PREMISE, EVENT.
>> THINK ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT IN REGULATIONS, AND THEN WE CAN DO THEM AT ANY TIME.
>> I'D LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE LEG WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR, TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GETTING.
I KNOW THAT THIS EVENTUALLY WILL BENEFIT YOU, BUT NONE OF THE OTHER PACKAGE STORES ARE STEPPED UP AND THEY'RE NOT SITTING HERE.
YOU'RE DOING THE WORK THAT'S GOING TO LEAD THEM IN TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THINGS.
NO, THAT'S UP TO THEM WHETHER THEY TAKE THAT CHOICE.
LET'S JUST SAY TO A RESIDENT, YOU SAY, NO MORE THAN SIX HANDLES OF LIQUOR AND SIX CASES OF BEER.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING. DOES IT THEN MAKE THAT WORTHWHILE FOR THAT DELIVERY TO HAVE BEEN DONE? BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER EVEN BOUGHT MORE THAN THREE CASES OF BEER.
>> MOST OF WHAT I'VE SEEN WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT APPS, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, AND THERE IS A DELIVERY FEE.
THERE PROBABLY WILL BE. IT'LL BE A LIMITED AREA EXCEPT FOR AN EVENT, AND THEN SOME $5, $10, SOME DELIVERY FEE.
>> WELL, WITH PRICE OF GAS NOWADAYS AND COST OF EMPLOYEES, THEIR INSURANCE PAY, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH HAVING AN EMPLOYEE.
>> AND WE HAVE TALKED TO DONNA EASTON, OUR INSURANCE AGENT, AND SHE DOES HAVE A POLICY THAT WE CAN SECURE, AND IT'S A FIVE MILLION DOLLARS COVERAGE.
>> NOW ONE OTHER SUGGESTION I WILL THROW OUT THERE THAT IF YOU'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO DO THIS, AND YOU DO WANT TO CREATE REGULATIONS IN ORDER TO HELP YOU ESTABLISH THOSE REGULATIONS, YOU COULD, WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW, GRANT AN APPROVAL ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, THREE MONTHS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND SAY TODAY, NOT TODAY, BUT IF SHE ACTUALLY PUTS A REQUEST IN AND YOU SAY, I WANT, AT A MINIMUM, THESE SIX THINGS TO BE DONE, I WANT TO SEE THIS LOG BOOK, I WANT TO SEE THIS AND YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK.
THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE AN APPROVAL FOR THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS.
COME BACK, AND LET'S SEE HOW MANY DELIVERIES YOU MADE, HOW IT WENT.
DID THIS WORK, DID IT NOT WORK? AND THEN AT THAT POINT, USE THAT INFORMATION TO HELP YOU CREATE REGULATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> JUST TO SEE IF THE DOLLAR COMES.
>> NOTHING THAT CAN'T BE GRANTED.
>> RIGHT. ANYTHING YOU WOULD GRANT WOULD BE FOR THAT SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD WITH THAT CRITERIA.
SO IF YOU FIND THAT DURING THAT TIME SOMETHING DIDN'T WORK, AND WELL NOW WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH THESE REGULATIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO ADD ONE MORE THING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO AND MAYBE THAT OTHER THING DIDN'T WORK, SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN THE REGULATIONS, BECAUSE THEN MOVING FORWARD, SO THAT WILL HELP YOU CREATE THE RED.
>> THAT'S A GOOD TIME OF YEAR TO TRY IT, BECAUSE WHO'S GOING TO TRY IT? I'D TRY IT SPRING AND SUMMER.
>> YEAH. IT'S THE TIME YOU'RE GOING TO GET ACTIVITY.
>> I THINK WE DO NEED TO GET STEWART INVOLVED IN THIS.
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>> LIKE I SAID, I LIKE THE LAW BOOK THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THERE.
SO WE HAVE SOME STARTING POINTS.
>> SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AS OF TODAY?
>> I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
WE NEED A LOT OF INPUT FROM STEWART, AND WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO WORD THE REGULATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHETHER IT'S A THREE MONTH OR A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD TO BE REEVALUATED AT THE END OF THAT TIME.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT, WHAT'S YOUR EXPECTATION FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING?
>> AS I SAY, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP PUTTING THIS OFF FROM MEETING TO MEETING TO MEETING.
>> WHAT'S HAPPENING IS USUALLY EITHER THERE'S A BOARD MEMBER THAT'S NOT HERE, MAYBE STEWART'S OUT AND HE'S NOT HERE.
SO WHAT IS IT YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM STEWART, I GUESS WOULD BE MY QUESTION.
NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO EXEMPT HIM FROM ANY OF THIS OR ANYTHING.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM THE ATTORNEY?
>> WE RAISED SEVERAL QUESTIONS IN HERE.
>> LEGALITIES, AS FAR AS HEY, WHAT ROAD CAN YOU BE ON? IS THERE A LICENSE YOU GOT TO HAVE?
>> THE REGULATIONS ALLOWED YOU TO DO IT.
>> I DON'T SEE HOW WE CANNOT DO IT.
>> HONESTLY, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CANNOT DO IT. REALLY, I DON'T.
NOW, WE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT INTO PLAY THE PARAMETERS PROPERLY.
>> IF WE KNOW STEWART IS GOING TO BE HERE NEXT MONTH, THEN WE KNOW THAT THEN.
>> AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I CAN CIRCLE BACK WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I CAN DO THAT IN THE MEANTIME AND ASK STEWART ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT INFORMATION ON.
IS THE CONCERN, CAN THE LIQUOR BOARD DO THIS, CAN THE LIQUOR BOARD CREATE REGULATIONS?
>> YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD US THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM A SIX-MONTH TRIAL PERIOD.
>> ROBIN, I KNOW IT'S NOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE THIS JUST DOESN'T GET OUT OF HAND.
IT NEEDS TO STAY WITHIN THIS PARAMETER, NOT THIS PARAMETER, IS ALL.
>> THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO RESTRICT.
NUMBER 1, YOU'VE GOT TO SAY CAN'T YOU CAN'T DELIVER OUTSIDE OF CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOG BOOK.
YOU CAN'T DELIVER OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
>> IF YOU WANT TO REQUIRE A LOG BOOK.
>> DELIVERY TO A RESIDENCE UNLESS IT'S FOR A SPECIAL EVENT TYPE OF THING.
>> YOU WANT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL, YOU WANT VERIFICATION OF THE AGE OF THE-
>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE MOST IS OTHER THAN THE EVENT THING WE DO WE LIMIT THE AMOUNT? DO WE LIMIT IT?
>> WHAT THE AGE OF DELIVERER PRETTY MUCH HAS ALREADY GOT TO BE WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE.
>> IT JUST SAYS THE NAME AND AGE OF THE RECIPIENT.
>> IT ACTUALLY SAYS IN THE IN THE CODE-
>> DELIVERY DRIVER MUST BE 21 YEARS OF AGE.
>> THAT SOMEONE CAN BE UNDER 21 AND BE WITH THAT PERSON, BUT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN OUR LIQUOR STORE THAT WORKS UNDER 21.
>> BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SELL LIQUOR.
THEY CAN ONLY SELL BEER OR WINE OTHERWISE IF THEY'RE 18.
>> ACTUALLY, WHAT WE WERE GETTING RANGE OF YOU HAD AN 18-YEAR-OLD IN THERE TO CARRY CASES AND LIST STAFF UP [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M NOT SAYING HE WOULD OR NOT, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S A POSSIBILITY AND L DON'T WANT TO GET IN ARGUMENT WITH STATE POLICE OR CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO A COUPLE OF DEPUTIES, A COUPLE OF TOWN OFFICERS ABOUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS.
>> STEWART NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT.
>> DID THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, OR IDEAS, OR THOUGHTS KIND OF THING? WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING ON THE DOWN LOW.
>> YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MORE PRODUCTIVE, TRYING TO INCREASE BOTTOM LINE.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO INPUT TO CRAFT A RULE THAT EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH.
>> IT'S GOING TO GO THAT WAY ANYWAY AT SOME POINT.
>> MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH REALLY WHAT YOU WANT THAT ULTIMATE REGULATION TO BE, DO THE TRIAL RUN.
>> IF IN THREE MONTHS, YOU'RE ONLY GRANTING THAT FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME UNDER THESE CRITERIA.
AT THE END OF THREE MONTHS, IF YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND AND SAID, I DON'T LIKE WHAT HAPPENED, WE HEARD THIS, HEARD THAT, OR IT DIDN'T WORK, WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE AS THE BOARD, BUT AT LEAST THAT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME BACK
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AND PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION TO SAY THIS DID WORK, WE MADE X AMOUNT OF SALES, OR YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ONLY HAD TWO DELIVERIES IN THREE MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT IS TO HELP YOU DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH AND WHAT REGULATIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE.>> THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. TO KEEP COMING BACK MONTH AFTER MONTH AND HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION IS NOT DOING ANYBODY ANY GOOD.
IT'S NOT DOING YOU ANY GOOD. IT'S NOT DOING US ANY GOOD.
AT SOME POINT YOU GOT TO, ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS OR ARE WE NOT GOING TO DO THIS? THEN DO WE DO IT AS A TRIAL PERIOD? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T DO IT.
THE ID SCANNER, I ASSUME YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THAT OUT. CAN YOU LEASE THAT? IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO A TRIAL PERIOD, BUT WE WANT THIS ID SCANNER USED, CAN YOU LEASE THAT FOR A SIX-MONTH PERIOD?
>> WE CAN. THEY HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE YOU LEASE THE PROGRAM AS THEY PROVIDE A SCANNER WHILE YOU USE THE SOFTWARE KIND OF THING.
EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BUY IT, WE WILL BUY IT WITH THE HOPE THAT IT ALL GOES WELL ENOUGH THAT THIS CONTINUES TO BE OR WE USE IT IN THE STORE.
>> I WOULD REQUEST THAT IT BE SIX MONTHS OR EVEN FOUR MONTHS.
I THINK THREE MONTHS, MAYBE TWO.
>> IF WE DO SIX, WE'LL HAVE HAD THE TIME TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.
>> IF WE DO IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO SIX.
AND WHAT I'M THINKING IS GO AHEAD FOR THE TRIAL PERIOD AND USE THE QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY REGULATIONS.
I KNOW THAT WE KEEP HITTING ON, I KNOW THAT YOU SAID QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY HAS THE SAME LOGBOOK, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THE TALBOT COUNTY LOGBOOK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE COPY OF THE TALBOT COUNTY LOGBOOK. USE THE QUEEN ANNE'S.
>> IT'S GOT IT RIGHT IN THERE. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BY THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY'S, LICENSING MAY REQUIRE TO PRODUCE THE DELIVERY LOGBOOK.
>> I THINK THE LOGBOOK SHOULD BE ON SITE.
THAT WAY IF THE INSPECTOR COMES BY, HE'S DOING A RECORDS CHECK.
>> SEES THAT BIG DELIVERY TO AN EVENT AND SAYS, WHERE'S YOUR ALCOHOL? WELL, HERE IT IS. IT WENT OUT FOR DELIVERY.
I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING A FORM THAT THE DELIVERY DRIVER HAS THAT EVERYBODY SIGNS OFF ON, THE RECIPIENT IS SIGNING AND STATING THEY'RE 21 AND THEY'RE STATING THEY UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT TO PROVIDE THIS TO ANYBODY UNDER 21.
THE DELIVERY DRIVER SIGNS IT SAYING, I CHECKED THEIR ID, THAT'S THE PERSON I DELIVERED TO.
THEN THAT GOES IN HER LOGBOOK WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THE STORE.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR INITIAL, EVERY ENTRY, AND SHE CAN PUT THE RECEIPT IF IT HAPPENED TO BE AN ONLINE PURCHASE, SHE'S GOT HER SALES RECEIPT THERE FOR THAT PERSON THAT WAS 21 TO SAY EVERYTHING'S THERE FOR THAT ORDER.
YOU GOT THE SALES TICKET FOR THE 21, THE DELIVERY TICKET FOR THE RECIPIENT.
OTHER THAN THE DELIVERY DRIVER, HE SHOWS UP AND THERE'S A YARD FULL OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE 16-YEAR-OLDS, AND YOU'VE GOT DAD AT THE DOOR BUYING A LARGE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL, THAT'S A RED FLAG, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, OUTSIDE OF SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE OR SEEING AN EXCHANGE OF MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE STORE FRONT WITH-
>> THAT FATHER COULD HAVE COME TO THE STORE ALSO AND BOUGHT SIX CASE OF BEER AND TOOK IT ON HOME.
>> IT'S MY THOUGHT THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO.
>> BUT THAT IS THE BURDEN THAT THE LICENSE HOLDER HAS TO CARRY TO SAY, IF THERE'S EVIDENCE COMES BACK THAT SAID YOU KNOWINGLY DID IT, WELL, WHY DID YOU DO THIS? THAT'S UP TO THEM TO DEFEND IF THAT WERE EVER A PROBLEM.
I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR LOG, YOU HAVE YOUR DELIVERY TICKET, ALL OF THAT'S KEPT IN ONE LOGBOOK AT THE ESTABLISHMENT FOR ANY INSPECTION PURPOSES.
EVERYTHING'S RESTRICTED TO CAROLINE COUNTY DELIVERY.
>> I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I DON'T WANT TO DO IT UNTIL STEWART'S LOOKED AT THIS THING AND THEN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE KICK IT OFF NEXT MONTH, APRIL 24TH.
>> IF WE DID SAY TODAY THAT WE WANT TO TRY DO THIS SIX-MONTH TRIAL PERIOD, WHEN DOES THAT BECOME EFFECTIVE?
>> YOU CAN APPROVE IT TODAY IF YOU WANT.
>> IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE IF WE APPROVE IT.
>> I AGREE THAT STEWART NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING.
>> WELL, AGAIN, WHAT IS IT YOU WANT HIM TO?
>> BASICALLY LOOK AT THIS QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY,
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WHAT QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY IS DOING.>> I THINK YOU NEED TO BRING UP SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT HERE.
>> ARE YOU LOOKING TO SEE CAN THE BOARD LEGALLY DO THIS? IS THAT THE QUESTION? I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION OF STEWART IS.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING, THAT WE DON'T JUST SAY, YOU'RE APPROVED FOR A SIX-MONTH TRIAL PERIOD.
DO THE LOG BOOK, DON'T SELL TO ANYONE UNDER 21.
YOU'RE STILL FOLLOWING THE STATE AND THE COUNTY CODES.
YOU CAN'T DELIVER OUT OF THE COUNTY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE SCANNER ID WHEN YOU GET THERE.
>> ALL THINGS THAT YOU CAN STIPULATE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I KNOW, BUT ARE WE MISSING SOMETHING?
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE MISSING?
>> I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DOING AS A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD. YOU'RE TRYING IT.[OVERLAPPING]
>> IT HAS TO BE WHAT YOU AS THE BOARD ARE CAPABLE WITH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. THIS IS A TRIAL PERIOD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DOING IT AS A TRIAL PERIOD.
>> I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DOING IT TODAY.
I THINK WE DO IT ON THE NEXT MEETING.
I GUESS TOWARDS A MONTH TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN WE'LL KICK IT OFF THE TRIAL PERIOD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT HIM TO LOOK AT BEFORE.
>> I THINK YOU NEED TO DISCUSS THE POINTS THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
ASK STEWART TO HELP US WITH THE VERBIAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE WRITE THIS FOR CAROLINE COUNTY THAT WE'RE COVERING FOLLOWING STATE AND LOCAL CODES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT LOOSELY READ, ARE WE DOING THE TRIAL RUN FIRST AND THEN CREATING THE REGULATIONS LATER, THAT'S MY QUESTION, OR ARE YOU TRYING TO DO THE REGULATIONS FIRST? [OVERLAPPING]
>> PERFECTLY. I THINK WE HAVE DRAFT REGULATIONS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND WE DO THE TRIAL PERIOD.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE IT ANYWAY IF YOU'RE WRITING THE PROBLEMS, RIGHT?
>> IS THE 24TH OF APRIL? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK YOU DO THE TRIAL RUN, STIPULATING THAT YOU GO BY THE RULES THAT QUEEN ANNE COUNTY HAS SET IN EFFECT.
I THINK YOU DO THE TRIAL RUN, SEE HOW THE SIX MONTHS GO, AND THEN YOU DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO PUT IT INTO.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN LEANING AT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING THEIR REGULATIONS, THEY'RE REQUIRING A HEARING AND A PERMIT, YOU'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE YET.
>> WE'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF YOUR REGULATIONS ULTIMATELY BECOME, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A PERMIT, IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR REGULATION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> AT THE END OF OUR SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD?
>> OR BEFORE THE END OF OUR SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD SO THAT IF AT THE AT SIX MONTHS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HAVE THE MEETING IN THREE MONTHS AND SAY HOW'S IT GOING, STRONG BREAK.
>> OKAY. THEN IN THE SIX-MONTH MARK, LET'S HAVE THESE THINGS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO IT A MONTH AHEAD OF TIME.
WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT A MONTH AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT AT THE END OF THE SIX MONTH ON THAT SIX MONTH AT THE MEETING, WE ACTUALLY FINALIZE THE RULES.
>> WHAT GREG IS SAYING. I DON'T WANT TO KICK THIS CAN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'VE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD MONTH AFTER MONTH AFTER MONTH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S TAKEN IT IN ONE MONTH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE LAST SUMMER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE LAST SUMMER. [OVERLAPPING]
>>. I'M GOING TO MOVE WE VOTE FOR IT TODAY.
>> I'M OKAY EITHER WAY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION.
>> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH TELLING YOU THAT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS THE BOARD TO GRANT APPROVAL ALREADY AND OF COURSE THERE'S STATE LAW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. AT SOME POINT WE GOT TO. THERE'S ALREADY ALCOHOL BEING DELIVERED IN THE COUNTY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU CAN'T BE ANY LESS RESTRICTIVE, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN PUT AS MANY STRICT CRITERIA ON THIS AS YOU WANT.
YOU CAN LIMIT IT TO A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AS A PROBATIONARY PERIOD BECAUSE AT THIS POINT THERE'S NO PERMIT.
WHAT STEWART WOULD TELL YOU AT THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY WOULD REQUIRE A LICENSE OR A PERMIT, THEN THAT PROBATIONARY THING GETS TRICKY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A PERMIT AS PROBATIONARY, YOU GIVE THEM A PERMITS FOR THAT TIMELINE.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, ONCE YOU GET TO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A PERMIT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE NEXT MONTH WE START LICENSE RENEWAL STUFF, OKAY? THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR EVERYTHING TO BE WRITTEN IN TO HAVE PERMIT STARTED BY NEXT MONTH.
>> WE'RE IN MARCH. LET'S SAY WE ADOPT SOMETHING RIGHT NOW ON A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD USING QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY'S FORMAT OTHER THAN THE PERMIT PART TO BE ADDRESSED, WE'RE NOT SAYING,
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WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A SPECIFIC ONE. [OVERLAPPING]>> USED TO ADOPT SOMETHING, ARE YOU SAYING THERE ARE GOING TO BE RULES? WE'RE NOT JUST DOING A LETTER OF. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT THE WAY WE WERE TALKING, WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY ADOPTING IT TO OUR CODES.
WE WERE GIVING A TRIAL PERIOD TO A LICENSE HOLDER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> PROVIDING A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION FOR IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ADOPTING IT TO CODE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO WRITE A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. I DIDN'T MEAN THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT I MEANT WAS BY THE JULY MEETING, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINITE VERBIAGE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO PERMITS, WHICH WHY WOULD WE NOT DO A PERMIT THAT CONTROLS WHO'S ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT WAY, YOU KNOW WHO IS ABLE TO DO THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALSO LET THE FTCC AND EVERYONE ELSE, WHETHER IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT, KNOW THEY ARE LEGAL TO DO THIS. [OVERLAPPING]
THAT GIVES US AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TO MEET THE SEPTEMBER MEETING FOR THE SIX MONTHS TRIAL PERIOD, TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT WHERE THEN THE REGULATIONS ARE PUT IN PLACE.
RIGHT NOW, JUST TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD USING THE QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY REGULATIONS.
BUT AT THE JULY MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE TIME ON THE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU HAVE TO DRAFT REGULATIONS READY TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE CAN START WORKING ON THE DRAFT REGULATIONS.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THEM READY TO ACTUALLY ADOPT IN JULY, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO WORK THROUGH THEM, YOU'LL HAVE FEEDBACK FROM ROBIN IF YOU WANT HER TO COME BACK IN JULY TO SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE.
ROBIN HAS BEEN THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.
NOW, IF WE MAKE THIS MOTION TO APPROVE IT, RED LIGHT LIQUORS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THIS FOR A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. THIS IS THE REQUEST OF MANUFACTURERS OVER. [OVERLAPPING]
WE'RE GRANTING THIS SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD TO RED LIGHT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY, ONCE YOU CREATE REGS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME IN AND GET IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT THE REGULATION SAYS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ALSO TRYING TO GET CLEARED UP IN MY HEAD BECAUSE, OH, BARGAIN BEVERAGE HEARS THIS AND THEY START JUST DOING IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHEN YOU GO TO ADOPT IT TO YOUR CODE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE THEY GOT TO LOOK AT THE REGS AND SAY, OH, I NEED TO GET WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD TO DO THIS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF THEY START DOING IT, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE OF REG THAT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD TO DO THIS.
>> THEY'VE GOT TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I THINK GLENN AND I ARE ASKING FOR GUIDANCE HERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE I'LL PASS RIGHT NOW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING NOTHING BUT TALKING.
>> THAT'S ALREADY DONE. THAT'S WHY I SAY SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE.
>> THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING OTHER THAN TALK.
I'D RATHER GET IT ON APRIL 20TH OR APRIL 24TH.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE RULES. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY KIND OF DRAFT RULE AND REGS.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF RENEWAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THERE'S NO TIME TO GET THAT READY FOR AN ADOPTION BY THE BOARD FOR RULES AND REGS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF YOU'LL WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU WANT TO SEE IT IN WRITING?
>> WELL, LET'S SEE SOMETHING. [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF YOU GRANT AN APPROVAL, IT'S GOT TO BE IN WRITING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN WRITING BECAUSE YOUR MOTION IS GOING TO GRANT APPROVAL IS GOING TO BE IN WRITING AND IF YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION ACCORDING TO THE QUEEN ANNE'S DELIVERY, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO PUT THE PERMIT AND ALL. WE CAN PULL THAT OUT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOT THE PERMIT AND PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY STATE WHAT YOU WANT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CAN'T WE PULL THAT OUT? OKAY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHATEVER LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION YOU GIVE US, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE STARTING DELIVERY THE NEXT DAY UNLESS YOU TELL ME NOW THAT ON APRIL 20-WHATEVER, WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION, THEN WE CAN START DOING THE LEG WORK.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO SAY IT TODAY OR TOMORROW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US WEEKS TO GET THE LOG BOOK, TO GET THE SCANNER GUYS IN, TO DEMONSTRATE AND TRAIN US, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
>> BUT THEN IF WE DON'T DO IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE WEEKS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF I KNOW THAT IF YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, YOU MAY NOT BE HAPPY WITH IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO START IT APRIL, WHATEVER, MAY 1ST, I CAN DO ALL THAT LEG WORK NOW.
WELL, ONCE I FINISH ALL THE PASSES, YOUR HONOR.
>> YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE, YOU WOULD WANT IN A LETTER OF APPROVAL, WE'LL HAVE THAT READY TO YOU SIGN OFF IN APRIL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> HOLD IT. READ THAT BOTTOM SECTION.
JUST LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM SECTION.
CONCENTRATE ON THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE STATING THAT THEY WILL DO.
>> YEAH, THE VERY BOTTOM FOUR THINGS.
>> THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE STATING THAT THEY WOULD DO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> OKAY. THAT'S IF WE HAVE TO START SOME TYPE OF WORDS,
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THEN THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THESE FOUR THINGS. [OVERLAPPING]>> I THINK MOST OF THIS WOULD BE DELECTABLE EXCEPT FOR THE REQUESTING A PERMIT.
>> IF ONE, YOU WANT THE ID SCANNER AND YOU WANT THE DELIVERY PERSON TO USE THEM, THAT'S CRITERIA.
>> TWO, WE COULD HAVE A LOG BOOK THAT MIMICS ONE OF THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE ON THE PREMISES AT ALL TIMES.
>> I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE FOR THIS PILOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF THE PERSON WHO ORDERED IT IS THE PERSON WHO SIGNS AND GETS IT, RECEIVES, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT IN THIS POLICY.
>> THE PROBLEM IS YOU ALREADY HAVE AN ALCOHOL DELIVERY IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
I COULD HAVE IT DELIVERED TOMORROW AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ME THAT RECEIVES IT.
>> TO ME, THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
>> THIS IS A NEW ERROR IS WHAT WE'VE GOT TO FIND OUT.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO BE SURE.
>> WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING CORRECT., I UNDERSTAND.
>> HOW ABOUT THIS? BETWEEN NOW AND THE APRIL MEETING, I'LL COME UP WITH THE LIST FOR A PROBATIONARY WRITTEN APPROVAL FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT TODAY, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS THE REQUIREMENTS READY FOR YOU TO EITHER MAKE SOME CHANGES TO AN APRIL MEETING, BUT HAVE A DRAFT READY THAT YOU CAN SIGN OFF ON FOR A SIX-MONTH APPROVAL WITH THE REQUIREMENT TO COME BACK IN AT MONTH 3 TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THEN AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE END OF APRIL RENEWALS, WE CAN START WORKING ON THE ACTUAL REGULATIONS TO START REVIEWING AS IS AND THAT WAY IT WOULD LET YOU GRANT THAT LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION AT THE END OF APRIL.
>> SEE THIS, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DRAFT-
>> WOULD BE A LETTER OF APPROVAL WITH ALL THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY THAT I FEEL THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THEM DO.
>> FOR RED LIGHT LIQUORS ONLY.
THEN IF WE COME BACK IN HERE AND THERE'S SOMETHING IN THAT 10 THINGS THAT I'VE PUT DOWN, WHATEVER THEY ARE, AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON THAT ONE, FINE, WE'LL TAKE IT OUT, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
>> BUT WE CAN MAKE THE APPROVAL, YE OR NAY, THAT DAY.
>> NOW, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WITH WHOEVER PURCHASES HAS TO BE, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU EXCLUDE-
>> I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SAY, WE CAN'T DELIVER TO COW BARN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT THE CHURCH.
>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. CRYSTAL, CAN YOU RUN THAT BY STEWART? CASEY'S NOT HERE. YOU CAN SAY WORKS FINE, BUT [INAUDIBLE] RECOMMENDED THIS AND THEN WE KICK THIS THING OFF.
>> WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN HAVE A DRAFT APPROVAL LETTER READY FOR YOU AT THE APRIL MEETING, HITTING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
THEN YOU CAN GO THROUGH THAT AT THE MEETING AND SAY, YES, WE'RE GOOD WITH ALL THIS OR STRIKE THAT OUT, OR REWORD THIS TO THIS, IN PREPARATION FOR GRANTING IT THAT DAY.
THEN AT THAT POINT, WE CAN START TAKING THOSE CRITERIA THAT YOU FEEL YOU WANT TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND APPLY FOR A PERMIT AND SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THIS? THIS IS GOING TO BE A PERMIT, WE'LL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT DO YOU WANT? WE'LL START THAT RULE AND REG CHANGE.
YOU'LL KNOW, AT MONTH 3, IS IT WORKING, IS IT NOT? IS THIS SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO DO? THERE WERE TOO MANY PROBLEMS.
>> IS IT PROFITABLE? IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THAT. IS IT GOING TO BE PROFITABLE?
>> WE ALL KNOW THAT TO MAKE ANY MONEY YOU GOT TO SELL VOLUME.
ARE YOU GOING TO DO ENOUGH TO MAKE A PROFIT? THAT'S THE QUESTION, BUT IT'S NOT UP TO US TO DECIDE.
>> RIGHT. AGAIN, IF ROBIN FINDS IT'S NOT PROFITABLE, AND SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS WASN'T WORTH IT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE, THERE'S STILL NO BRIEFING THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO-
>> WE STILL PROBABLY GOT TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE THE NEXT PERSON TO COME ALONG AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE KICKING THIS CAN ON DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN.
>> YOU MIGHT CHANGE THE REGULATIONS TO THAT IF YOU WANT.
[01:30:03]
>> THE CAN'S ABOUT FLAT. KICKED IT SO MUCH IT'S GOTTEN FLAT.
>> IT IS FLAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS SINCE LAST SUMMER.
YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU GOT TO MAKE A DECISION.
ROBIN, WE TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH STUFF, I FORGOT.
THERE WAS ONE THING ON THAT TALBOT COUNTY LOG BOOK THAT YOU HAD RECOMMENDED TO MAYBE MAKE A CHANGE.
>> I LIKE CRYSTAL'S IDEA OF HAVING AN ADDITIONAL PAPER THAT WE TAKE TO THE DELIVERY, EVERYBODY SIGNED OFF ON.
>> BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS THAT DELIVERY LOG LEAVING THE STORE, AND AGAIN, WITH A LARGE PURCHASE FOR A WEDDING AND TRAY OR ANOTHER INSPECTOR COMES IN AND NOW THEY CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR THEIR ALCOHOL, AT LEAST THAT LOG BOOK SHOWS IT WENT OUT FOR DELIVERY.
>> WELL, ALSO, I THOUGHT ON THE DELIVERY LOG, YOU WANT IT AT YOUR STORE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOUR DELIVERY DRIVER LEFT AND WHEN HE GOT BACK.
>> WHAT DID HE DO IN THE MEANTIME? THAT'S THE THING.
SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT AS WELL.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE TO WATCH EVERYTHING HE'S DOING, OR HER.
>> WOULD HAVE HIM DRINK ALL THE BEER INSTEAD OF DELIVERING.
>> IF YOU WANT, WE CAN DESIGN THE LOG FOR WHAT THE INFORMATION IS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE ON THAT LOG BOOK.
WE CAN TAKE THAT AND GO FROM IT AND THEN AGAIN, EVERYTHING JUST GOES IN THE LOG BOOK WHEN THE DELIVERY DRIVER GETS OUT.
YOU'VE GOT THE WHAT IT WAS THAT WENT OUT IN AN ORDER BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO PRINT A TICKET OR SOMETHING OF THE ORDER SHEET, ATTACH WITH IT, AND THE DRIVER HAS IT ALL DAY.
>> I HAVE SOMETHING NEW FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT.
>> YOU CAN THINK IT FOR A WHILE, BUT IN RESEARCHING THIS, I'VE DISCOVERED THAT TALBOT COUNTY HAS A SPECIAL FESTIVAL ENDORSEMENT THAT LIQUOR STORES AND RESTAURANTS CAN DO, THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR UP TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR TO SET UP AT FESTIVALS, AND LIQUOR STORES ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED [INAUDIBLE] BEER AND WINE AT THAT FESTIVAL, BUT MY BIG THING WHERE I REALLY WAS GOING WITH THIS WHEN I SAW THIS, I WAS LIKE, IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO BE ABLE TO SET UP AT THE RIDGELY WINTER FEST, WE SET UP A BOOTH FOR PURPLE PEAK AND WE DO WELL.
IT'D BE NICE TO SET UP A THING THERE TO BE ABLE TO SELL BOTTLED WINE AND STUFF FOR PEOPLE TO GRAB AS GIFTS.
NOW, WHEN I TALKED TO THE LADY, SHE TOLD ME THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS, THEY'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AT ALL, BUT I THOUGHT THE WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE TO COME, BUY IT, KEEP IT AT THE BOOTH, AND THEN AN EMPLOYEE TAKES IT TO THEIR CAR WHEN THEY'RE READY TO LEAVE THE FESTIVAL, SO THEY'RE NOT WALKING AROUND THE FESTIVAL WITH IT, BUT ONE THING, MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T WANT TO CARRY A BOTTLE OF LINE AROUND.
>> NOT BEING SMART, BUT DID YOU CHECK THE OTHER COUNTIES?
>> YOU SPECIFIED TALBOT COUNTY.
>> HERE'S SOME WINE FESTIVAL PERMITS IN STATES.
>> AS WE GET TOLD ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER WE TRY TO COMPARE ANYTHING TO TALBOT COUNTY, WE GET TOLD TALBOT COUNTY GOES UNDER A WHOLE DIFFERENT CODE.
>> THEY EXEMPTED IT BEFORE THESE RULES TOOK PLACE.
>> THEY EXEMPTED 50 YEARS AGO OR 60 YEARS AGO.
>> AFTER TAXES, IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING IT, THEN I'LL DO SOME MORE LEGWORK ON IT, BUT I PRINTED IT OUT BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING THAT YOU CAN DO THAT FOUR TIMES IN A YEAR.
>> BECAUSE WE CAN'T. ANYTHING WE EVER DO, WE CAN'T COMPARE TO TALBOT. I'M I TELLING THE TRUTH?
>> THEIR DELEGATE WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND HE SOMEHOW MANAGED TO GET LEGISLATION THROUGH THE SAID TALBOT COUNTY TO CREATE THEIR OWN LIQUOR LAWS OUTSIDE OF.
SO IF YOU GO TO SEARCH FOR TALBOT COUNTY LIQUOR LAWS, YOU DON'T GO UNDER THE ANNOTATED CODE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.
YOU GO TO THEIR LOCAL COUNTY PUBLIC LAWS AND THEY HAVE A CHAPTER SPECIFICALLY FOR LIQUOR LICENSE, WHICH IS WHY WE HEAR SO MUCH THAT, WELL, YOU CAN DO THIS IN TALBOT, BUT NOBODY ELSE CAN.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONE EXEMPT JURISDICTION THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE THEIR OWN BY LAWS.
>> I KNOW THAT. IS IT WASHINGTON COUNTY THAT [INAUDIBLE].
I KNOW THAT THEY ALLOW IT BECAUSE WHEN WE'VE DONE FESTIVALS [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'VE BRIEFLY LOOKED AT THEM, BUT UNDER THE ANNOTATED CODE, WHICH IS ALL [INAUDIBLE], THERE IS WINE FESTIVAL PERMITS.
NOW, WHO CAN BE GRANTED THOSE, WHETHER IT'S DISTRIBUTORS,
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RETAILERS, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE ARE UNDER THE STATE AND THEY REGULATE THOSE PERMITS.I EXPECTED TO SEE RESTAURANTS WHEN I LOOKED AT THE CLASSES, AND WHEN I SAW THE CLASSES, [INAUDIBLE]
>> THEY HAVE THEIR OWN UNIQUE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'LL CHECK THAT OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A COOL THING TO BE ABLE TO DO, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I KNOW THIS HAS TAKEN A LOT OF TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT.
>> WE'LL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND CIRCLE BACK.
>> START DOING YOUR STUFF BECAUSE HOPEFULLY, AT THE APRIL MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AN APPROVAL ON THIS, ROBIN.
>> [INAUDIBLE] YOU WOULD WANT DO THAT 27TH, I THINK.
>> 27TH IS A FRIDAY, SO PROBABLY THE 26TH.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.
>> THANK YOU. I'M REALLY GLAD YOU CAME DOWN,
[Inspector's Report]
DORIS. I'M REALLY GLAD.>> NOW, WE ARE AT THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT WHERE DID THE INSPECTOR GO?
>> DID HE TELL YOU BY NAME, EMERGENCY?
>> WELL, THEN WE'LL FOREGO THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT.
>> I CAN GIVE YOU A BRIEF OF WHAT HE TOLD ME.
HE'S BEEN OUT DOING ROUTINE INSPECTIONS.
NO ISSUES. COUPLE OF WARNINGS GIVEN, VERBAL WARNINGS.
THERE WILL BE A RECORDS VIOLATION COMING TO YOU, NOT IN APRIL BUT IN MAY.
WE'LL NOT TRY TO CRAM THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR APRIL BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A NEW LICENSE APPLICATION COMING IN FOR APRIL.
HE'S HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH TIPS AND SO ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
THE COMPANY WAS BOUGHT OUT BY SOMEBODY ELSE AND TRYING TO ORDER WORKBOOKS.
THEY'RE CHANGING THINGS. THEY'LL SEND YOU THE BOOKS.
THEY WON'T SEND YOU THE SCANTRON SHEETS FOR THE EXAM, SO YOU GOT THE BOOKS.
THEY'RE NOT PROMPTING SENDING OUT THE CARDS AND THE CERTIFICATES.
IT'S TAKEN WEEKS, AND WEEKS, AND WEEKS TO GET THEM.
YOU'VE GOT TO PESTER THEM FOR THEM.
TERRY OBER HE'S TALKED TO HIM, HE'S HAVING THE SAME COMPLICATIONS.
HE'S LIKE, I'M AT A POINT NOW, I HAVE BOOKS AND NO EXAMS AND I CAN'T DO ANY CLASSES.
>> THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM SINCE THIS COMPANY BOUGHT-
>> THE ONLY PHONE NUMBER YOU CAN CALL AND THE ONLY PEOPLE YOU CAN CALL IS A LINE FOR SOMEBODY IN THE PHILIPPINES THAT ANSWERS IT AND THEY HAVE NO ANSWER FOR YOU.
>> TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. WHAT IS STATE RUN.
THE TAMS WAS STATE RUN, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> NO. STATE OF MARYLAND HAS CERTIFIED 100 PLUS PROGRAMS. TIPS IS A PROGRAM, TAMS IS A PROGRAM.
SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE THEIR OWN PROGRAM THEY'VE DESIGNED, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A NAME FOR IT.
YOU HAVE THE RESTAURANT HOSPITALITY.
THAT'S ONE OF THEM THAT I'VE SEEN PEOPLE CERTIFIED IN, BUT THERE'S OVER 100 DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT MARYLAND HAS SAID THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE ALCOHOL AWARENESS PROGRAM THAT WE'LL ACCEPT TO PROVE YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
TIPS IS A WIDELY USED ONE, THEY'RE WORLDWIDE.
SOME PLACES, THEY OFFER AN ONLINE VERSION.
SOME JURISDICTIONS, NOT MARYLAND, BUT OTHER STATES ALLOW THEM TO DO THE ONLINE, BUT MARYLAND IS ONE THAT SAYS NO ONLINE.
YOU HAVE TO DO IN PERSON FOR THE TRAINING.
THEY HAVE A BIG CUSTOMER BASE HERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT PROGRAM.
>> BUT TRAY IS GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE ATCC AS SAY, LOOK.
>> IT'S IN THEIR RULES AND REGS.
>> A LOT OF US HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROGRAM.
ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE TO APPROVE IT? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMPANY TO SAY, LOOK, IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CERTIFY YOU AS AN APPROVED COURSE TO USE IN MARYLAND ANYMORE AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR MARYLAND CUSTOMER BASE.
IT'S PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE WE'RE IN A JAM RIGHT NOW WITH TRYING TO HOLD CLASSES?
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT PUTS US IN A BAD POSITION BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR RULES AND REGS. WE REQUIRE THE TIPS.
>> TIPS IS LIKE TIEBACK. TIEBACK'S A BRAND.
THE TRAINING ALCOHOL AWARENESS CERTIFICATION AND TIPS IS ONE OF THE BRANDS.
>> IF THEY CAN'T GET TIPS, THEY CAN GO OUT AND GET TAMS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE TAMS, IS BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T GET TIPS, CAN THEY USE TAMS?
>> THEY CAN USE 100 PLUS DIFFERENT VENDORS.
>> WELL, THEN MAYBE THEY NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER AVAILABILITY.
>> TIPS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE FOUND THAT OFFERS CERTIFICATION TO BECOME TIPS TRAINER.
[01:40:04]
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY INFORMATION ON BECOMING A TAMS BECAUSE THEY'RE THEIR OWN ENTITY AND IT'S NOT A WORLDWIDE.>> WE REQUIRED THAT THEY HAVE ALCOHOL AWARENESS.
>> EVEN TERRY OBER, HE'S A TIPS TRAINER.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START LOOKING FOR OTHER TRAINERS THAT HAVE OTHER PROGRAMS TO GET CERTIFIED.
BECAUSE EVEN IF WE CAN'T GET IT, THE OTHER LOCAL INSTRUCTOR IS TERRY OBER, AND HE'S HAVING PROBLEMS.
>> WE TOOK THE TAMS. DO YOU REMEMBER?
>> ME, CAROL, AND NICK, I THINK.
WE TOOK IT UP TO HARRIS CRAVE HOUSE.
WE TOOK THE TAMS CLASS. IT WAS THE SAME.
>> THAT'S ALMOST $100 TO TAKE THEIR CLASS. IT'S EXPENSIVE.
>> BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
>> BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START REFERRING PEOPLE TO FINDING WHO ELSE HAS GOT CLASSES.
TRAY IS GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE DIRECTOR AT ATCC TO SAY, CAN YOU HELP US? CAN YOU TELL THE COMPANY, LOOK, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE YOU WHO WAS AN APPROVED VENDOR, SO IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER, YOU'RE LOSING YOUR MARYLAND BASE.
WHICH I DOUBT IT'S GOING TO NOT HOLD ANY WEIGHT, THEY'RE WORLDWIDE AND MANY JURISDICTIONS ALLOW ONLINE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WILL BE THE SOLUTION OR HOPEFULLY, THEY JUST GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT IT'S AFFECTING US LOCALLY BECAUSE THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT EVERYBODY USES.
YES, THEY CERTAINLY CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF OUR LIQUOR STORES.
THEY USE A TRAINER. IT'S HIS OWN COMPANY.
IT'S CALLED JOHN MURRAY, AND HE'S APPROVED BY THE STATE TOO, BUT HE OFFERS ONE CLASS A MONTH. THAT'S IT.
SO HE DOESN'T DO A LOT, AND THEY'RE NOT LOCAL.
THEY'RE NOT LOCAL, THEY'RE ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT HE WOULD HAVE HAD ON HIS REPORT.
>> BETH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US?
>> JUST A FEW THINGS. THE DEADLINE FOR RENEWALS TO BEGIN IS FRIDAY.
[Board Administrator's Report]
I THINK I HAVE A HANDFUL THAT ARE STILL NOT IN, AND WE MEET APRIL 5TH FOR THOSE TO GO OVER THAT.>> THE MULTIPLE EVENT LICENSE, GOLDSBORO FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD THEIR CASH BASH ON THE 23RD.
>> RED LIGHT DID A BEER AND WINE TASTING.
BEER WAS ON THE 14TH AND THE WINE WAS ON THE 22ND, AND THE LEGION HAD A TURKEY SHOOT ON THE 24TH.
THEN JUST A REMINDER OF OUR MEETING CHANGES IN MAY, IT'S FROM THE 22ND TO THE 23RD, AND THEN OCTOBER 23RD, IT'S THE 16TH, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? MAKE A MOTION.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE CLOSE THIS MEETING OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 27TH, AT 11:13 AM.
>> ALL OPPOSED? SO MOVED. GOOD.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.