>> [LAUGHTER] HE IS BEN BUTLER AND MIKE MANN,
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AND WE'VE GOT KATHERINE MCCAULEY,[Opening]
AND WE HAVE PATRICK THOMAS.>> [LAUGHTER] I HAVE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW PATRICK THOMPSON. I'M SORRY.
[OVERLAPPING] I KNOW, AND IT'S JUST TERRIBLE.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ALONG AND GET RIGHT TO THE BUSINESS OF WHAT THIS MEETING IS ABOUT.
YOU GUYS, WELL, YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, MR. MOSER.
[Public Hearing: Castle Hall 1781, LLC - Special Use Exception No. 24-0009 and a modification for Special Use Exception No. 23-0019]
YOU HAVE NOT, AND YOU ARE?>> CALL ME, [OVERLAPPING] LISA.
>> LISA. NOT SURE ABOUT LAST NAMES AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, SO I WANTED TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND JUST SAY, WELCOME.
SO IT'S THE DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO HEAR AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE APPLICATIONS MADE FOR VARIANCES, SPECIAL USE EXCEPTIONS, AND APPEALS.
FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE AFTER TAKING THE OATH.
THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PROPONENTS, IF THERE ARE ANY, OR OPPONENTS UNDER OATH.
ONCE THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN HEARD AND QUESTIONS ANSWERED, THE APPLICANT MAY DELIVER A CLOSING STATEMENT BEFORE THE BOARD BEGINS DELIBERATION.
DURING THIS TIME, NO ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE MAY SPEAK UNLESS THE BOARD NEEDS CLARIFICATION.
EVERY EFFORT IS MADE TO REACH A DECISION THE NIGHT OF THE TESTIMONY.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, AND A CONTINUANCE MIGHT BE GRANTED.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR MATT, I'M GOING TO READ THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING INTO RECORD, AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE HIM DO THE EXHIBITS AND THE STAFF REVIEW INFORMATION.
WITH THAT SAID, TONIGHT WE ARE LOOKING AT AN APPLICATION NUMBER 240009, WHICH IS A REQUEST BY CASTLE HALL 1781, LLC, FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION FOR APPROVAL AS A BED AND BREAKFAST FACILITY, AND FOR A MODIFICATION OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION FOR A RURAL SPECIAL EVENTS VENUE.
SAID PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 16070 HENDERSON ROAD, GOLDSBORO, MARYLAND, AND IS OWNED BY ROBERT MOSER AND LISA ANNE MOSER.
IT IS FURTHER DESCRIBED AS TAX MAP 8, GRID 20, PARCEL 146, AND IT IS NORTH OF GOLDSBORO, MARYLAND.
>> [NOISE] BOARD EXHIBITS. EXHIBIT NUMBER 1, IS THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLISHED IN THE TIMES RECORD ON 4/3/2024 AND 4/10/2024.
EXHIBIT 2, IS THE STAFF REPORT.
EXHIBIT 3, IS THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPLICATION FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST.
EXHIBIT NUMBER 4, IS THE APPLICATION TO MODIFY THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RURAL SPECIAL EVENT VENUE.
EXHIBIT 5, IS THE BED AND BREAKFAST CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
EXHIBIT 6, IS THE BUSINESS PLAN.
EXHIBIT 7, IS THE EVENT MANAGEMENT PLAN.
EXHIBIT 8, IS THE DUST CONTROL MANAGEMENT PLAN.
EXHIBIT 9, IS THE CASTLE HALL 1781 FLOOR PLAN.
EXHIBIT 10, IS THE LLC DOCUMENT FROM THE STATE OF MARYLAND.
EXHIBIT 11, IS THE SDAT REAL PROPERTY DATA SHEET AND TAX MAP.
EXHIBIT 13, IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
EXHIBIT 14, IS THE SIGN POSTING AFFIDAVIT AND PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY.
EXHIBIT 15, IS THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER AFFIDAVIT, AND EXHIBIT 16, IS THE APPLICANT'S NOTICE.
[NOISE] WITH THAT, I'LL JUMP INTO THE STAFF REPORT.
>> THE APPLICANTS, CASTLE HALL 1781, LLC, REQUESTED, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED IN THE EXHIBITS, MODIFICATION OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RURAL SPECIAL EVENT VENUE, AND A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST.
THIS IS LOCATED AT 16070 HENDERSON ROAD.
THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS GRANTED A SPECIAL USE APPROVAL FOR A RURAL SPECIAL EVENT VENUE AT THE OCTOBER VCA HEARING THAT WAS 2023.
MR. MOSER WAS THERE AND TESTIFIED THAT HIM AND HIS WIFE, LISA, WHO'S ALSO HERE TONIGHT HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEIR SURVEYOR ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A STRUCTURE ON SITE TO SUPPORT THE RURAL SPECIAL EVENT VENUE.
AT THAT TIME, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BOARD, MR. MOSER THOUGHT THAT THEY'D HAVE AMPLE ROOM FOR THAT PLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE, AND STILL MEET THE REQUIRED 150' SETBACK.
HOWEVER, SINCE THAT TIME, MR. MOSER HAS HAD KEITH ANDREWS, WHO IS HIS SURVEYOR, MODIFY HIS SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE A STRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHY HE'S GOT A MODIFICATION OF THAT [OVERLAPPING] PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN.
IT CURRENTLY DOES NOT MEET THE 150' SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS TO, REVIEW THE LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE IN ACCORDANCE WITH 17547(M) IN THE COUNTY CODE, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM ZONING SETBACK SHALL BE 150' UNLESS OTHERWISE DETERMINED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
THE THREE FACTORS THAT ARE BASED ON THAT ARE THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE PARCEL OR SITE, THE NATURE OF THE USES ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, AND THE SIZE SCOPE AND CAPACITY IN THAT VENUE.
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>> AGAIN, WE ASKED THAT YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON THAT ASPECT.
THE OTHER PART OF THE APPLICATION IS THE BED AND BREAKFAST.
MR. MOSER HAD APPROACHED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF APPLYING FOR AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE.
PREVIOUSLY, HIS LAST APPLICATION CATERING BUSINESS WAS HIS WAY OF NOT HAVING TO HAVE HIS OWN LICENSE, BUT HE HAS SINCE APPROACHED US.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN APPROVAL ON A LIQUOR LICENSE IS THROUGH THE BED AND BREAKFAST.
IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'LL WORK THERE ON SITE.
THAT'S THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN FILED.
THAT'S IN SUPPORT OF HIS RURAL SPECIAL EVENT VENUE.
MR. MOSER IS ON THE ON THE BOARD FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR HIS LIQUOR LICENSE APPROVAL.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE MENTIONED ON THE SITE PLAN ABOUT STORAGE, SALES, CONSUMPTION, THAT STUFF.
THOSE THINGS ARE NOT UNDER THIS BOARD'S JURISDICTION, THAT WILL ALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS, WHICH IS THE LIQUOR BOARD.
THAT MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT BOARD MEETING.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY DETERMINED YET IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A MINOR OR MAJOR SITE PLAN, BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIMITED DISTURBANCE TIED INTO DEVELOPMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL HAVE TO BE UPDATED, AND ONCE WE GET THAT REVISION TO THE SITE PLAN WE CAN MAKE THAT MODIFICATION.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S DIFFERENT IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A MINOR SITE PLAN THAT GETS APPROVED IN-HOUSE BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, OR A MAJOR THAT GETS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
>> IT DOESN'T REFLECT FROM THE BOARD.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY IN ON THAT.
>> THE BED [OVERLAPPING] AND BREAKFAST USE HAS NOTHING TO DO?
>> CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
>> WELL, WE'LL REVISIT THAT, I THINK, AFTER WE LISTEN TO THEIR PRESENTATION.
THAT SAID, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THE OATH, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING BOTH OF YOU WILL MAYBE WANT TO SPEAK AT SOME POINT.
WHY DON'T YOU, BOTH FOR THE RECORD, STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN AFTERWARDS, I'LL READ THE OATH AND YOU CAN SAY, GIVE US AN AFFIRM THAT YOU ACCEPT THAT.
>> ROBERT MOSER JR. 16070 HENDERSON ROAD, GOLDSBORO, MARYLAND, 21636.
>> LISA ANNE MOSER, 16070 HENDERSON ROAD, GOLDSBORO, MARYLAND, 21636.
>> PERFECT. DO YOU BOTH HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU. I WOULD SAY, AT THIS POINT, WE CAN LISTEN TO YOUR TESTIMONY, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MATT BEFORE WE CLOSE FOR DELIBERATION.
>> ARE WE GOING TO START WITH THE [NOISE] BED AND BREAKFAST,
[Applicants' Presentation]
OR DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE TO THE EVENT VENUE? [INAUDIBLE]>> AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY START OFF WITH THE-
>> I'D PROBABLY START WITH THE MODIFICATION.
>> MODIFICATION AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE BED AND BREAKFAST PART AFTERWARDS.
>> WITH THE MODIFICATION, [INAUDIBLE].
>> AND WE HAVE STUFF THAT YOU FILED AS WELL AND WE CAN USE THE SCREEN UP THERE IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING.
KATHERINE CAN PROBABLY ASSIST US AND WE CAN, FROM A BOOKMARK PERSPECTIVE, GET IT UP ON THE SCREEN SO WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> SURE. SO WHEN I WAS HERE IN OCTOBER, WE DISCUSSED ABOUT THE EVENT VENUE DESIGNATION AND SO FORTH.
I REMEMBER HAVING MEETING YOU WOULD ASK ME ABOUT 150 FOOT SETBACK.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I SAID, WELL, IF YOU DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING WE'LL JUST READDRESS THIS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WHEN I MET WITH ANDREW STERLING TO DO MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE HAD TO ADD STUFF WITH ISSUES, WE'LL GET A LICENSE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I SAID, HEY, LET'S THROW 45, 70 MILLION ON THE PROPERTY TOO.
AND WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT 150 FOOT SETBACK.
THEY WERE UNDER IMPRESSION AND I FOLLOWED THE LEAD ON THIS, THAT THE 150 FOOT SETBACK WAS BASED OFF OF THE ROAD, NOT OFF OF IT.
>> NOT OFF THE SIDELINE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
I'M LIKE, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME, 150 FEET OFF MY PROPERTY, THAT SEEMS A BIT OUTRAGEOUS TO ME." AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS AN EVENT VALUE OF THIS? DO YOU THINK IT WOULD DO FIREFLY? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, REALLY, BECAUSE I'M THINKING 150 FEET, THAT'S LIKE CRAZY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE SAT DOWN AND WE SCALED OUT THE PLAN AND EVERYTHING JUST LIKE YOU HAVE AND IT'S A 40 FEET PER ONE-INCH AND STUFF.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND STUFF.
AND INSTEAD OF HAVING THE BUILDING AT AN ANGLE, WE'D TAKE THE BUILDING AND JUST TURN IT STRAIGHT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET A VARIANCE FOR AN 80 FOOT VARIANCE AS OPPOSED TO 150-FOOT VARIANCE OFF THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WHERE WHEN ANDREW LAID IT OUT, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE 25 FOOT AND THEY ACTUALLY CAME 80 FEET OFF THE SIDE OF
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THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO THE 25 FOOT COMING ON THE SIDES.IF WE TAKE THE BUILDING AND WE SHIFT IT OVER, AND WE GO WITH AN 80-FOOT VARIANCE ON THE SIDE, WE CAN WORK WITH 150 FOOT VARIANCE FROM THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, ALTHOUGH I'D LIKE THAT TO BE CHANGED TO 120 JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SAFE.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MOVE UP ANY FURTHER BECAUSE THEN I DON'T WANT THE POSSIBILITY OF ENCROACHING ON THE DRAIN FIELD AND THE EXTENSION OF THE DRAIN FIELD PER POSSIBLE REQUIREMENTS BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING THAT PART UPWARDS, WHICH IS ANOTHER 120 FEET OF DRAIN FIELD WHEN WE MOVE UP AND ACTUALLY WE EVEN GOT MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL SHAPE IT.
AND SO WE JUST GO STRAIGHT UP TO THE SETBACK AND STUFF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 120 FEET ADDITIONAL BREAK THERE ANYWAY.
>> DID YOU WANT TO SHOW US ON HERE? [OVERLAPPING] FEEL FREE TO SHOW US ON THE ON PLAT.
>> SURE. SO WITH THE DRAIN FIELD HERE, AND I'M JUST CUT OFF, BUT WITH THE EVENT VENUE HERE, IF WE TAKE THIS VENUE, WE ACTUALLY JUST PIVOT THE VENUE AROUND.
FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OVER, IT ACTUALLY COMES TO 80 FOOT WHEN YOU TAKE THIS AND PIVOT THIS AROUND THIS AND WE STRAIGHT UP.
LOOKING AT THE FRONT HERE, WE'RE ESTIMATING IT ABOUT 120 FEET BASED ON THE PIVOT TO THE FRONT OF IT.
IT'S ABOUT 140 FEET, BUT WE'RE THINKING 120 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE FRONT OF WHERE THE VARIANCE.
IN THAT WAY, WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY THERE IF WE NEED TO DO ANY MOVEMENT OR ANYTHING.
NOW, THIS IS A POSSIBLY FUTURE THING.
THIS ISN'T LIKE SET IN STONE, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY WITH EVERYTHING, HOW THE BUSINESS IS GROWING AND STUFF.
WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE APPROACH US FOR LIKE 125 PEOPLE EVENT AND SO FORTH.
WELL, I THINK WITH THE EVENT VENUE, WE HAD ACTUALLY, I THINK WE SET UPWARDS OF NO MORE THAN 150 PEOPLE BECAUSE THE WAY WE HAD THE PARKING ESTABLISHED AND SO FORTH, WAS BASED ON A 150 PEOPLE.
SO WE WEREN'T GOING TO GO OVER THAT.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE HOW WE WOULD DO ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO WHEN WE SHUT DOWN, WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS, HOW WE MONITOR THE DECIBELS AT EACH CORNER, ALL OF THAT.
NOTHING CHANGES IN THE EVENT MANAGEMENT PLAN.
NOTHING CHANGES WITH THE DUST MANAGEMENT PLAN.
EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THIS MAY ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION.
AND THIS ACTUALLY STARTED AS A CONVERSATION IN REGARDS TO A SEMI-PERMANENT STRUCTURAL TENT, LIKE WHAT THE EAGLES USED TO PRACTICE IN.
SO THAT'S HOW WE STARTED THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION.
AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, "WHY DON'T WE JUST BUILD A BUILDING?" AND THEN, WORST CASE SCENARIO COMES A STORAGE CENTER PUMP AND WORKS OUT DOWN THE ROAD, KIND OF THING.
BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN SET ON THE SIZE OF THAT.
IT WOULDN'T BE BIGGER THAN THAT THAT WOULD BE THE LARGEST WE COULD ACTUALLY GO BECAUSE IT'S COSTING MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING.
JUST TO HAVE THE CONCRETE PAD PRICED OUT AND SO FORTH, AND WE TALKED TO A CONTRACTOR AND THEY'RE GOING TO STICK BUILD THIS.
THIS WASN'T GOING TO BE A POLE BUILDING.
THEY'RE GOING TO STICK BUILD THIS.
JUST A CONCRETE PYLON, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IT WAS $26,000.
WE JUST MOVE. SO THIS WOULD BE THE MAX IT WOULD BE.
IT MAY NOT EVEN BE THIS BIG, BUT WITH THE VARIANCE YOU GET THE VARIANCE CHANGED FROM 150 TO 80 ON THE SIDE, FROM 120 TO THE BACK.
I THINK WE WOULD BE MORE THAN GOOD THERE.
AS FOR THE EXPANSION BASED ON SOME COMMENTS FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT WERE JUST WRITTEN IN ABOUT THE EVENT VENUE FROM SIX MONTHS AGO ABOUT ACTUALLY HAVING A THIRD PARTY COME IN AND ASSESS IF WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE PLANS IN PLACE IF WE NEED TO EXPAND THIS DRAIN FIELD.
AND THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION STARTED WITH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING APPLICATION, WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING DOING.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS PYLON HERE, MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING.
AND WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS ACTUALLY TURNING THIS INTO JUST A SIMPLE STUDIO APARTMENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A RUN, AND THIS IS FOR OUR DOGS.
SO WHEN WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A MAX OF FIBERS THAT WE CAN RUN OUT, WE CAN HAVE OUR DOGS HERE AND NOT HAVE TO DO ANY KENNELING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE CAN STAY THERE IF NEED BE OR WHATNOT.
SO WE STARTED THAT CONVERSATION OFF ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING.
SO I REACHED OUT, SPOKE TO THE DIRECTOR AND HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE DO HERE BECAUSE IT CLEARLY STATES THAT YOU CANNOT ADD ANOTHER SYSTEM, IT HAS TO TIE INTO YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM.
SO WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOME EXTENSIONS AND STUFF, BUT BEAR IN MIND MY SEPTIC SYSTEM IS COMMERCIAL, IT'S 5,200 GALLONS, AND IT WAS DESIGNED FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST SPECIFICALLY, AND THAT'S STATED IN THERE AND LIDENHEAD HAD DEMO ON THAT AND SO FORTH.
SO CONVERSATIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT,
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THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING, I GOT TO PUT A TANK HERE WITH A PUMP HERE.SO BASICALLY PUT ANOTHER SEPTIC SYSTEM HERE, WE'VE GOT TO PUMP IT ALL THE WAY UP HERE, AND THEN PROCESS IT THROUGH AND EXTEND THIS AT THE END GATE.
AND AS OUR CONVERSATION WENT ON, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN FOLLOW THE PAPERWORK AND THIS AND THAT.
AND THEY JUST WANTED ME TO KNOW IT WAS GOING TO BE A LENGTHY PROCESS, A MINIMUM OF 18 MONTHS, WHICH SHOCKED ME CONSIDERABLY.
HE SAID PROBABLY MORE LIKE TWO YEARS BUT 18 MONTHS TO EVEN GET ALL THIS DONE AND PERKED AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I DIDN'T THINK THE COUNTY PERKED ANYMORE ON SOIL SAMPLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD FACILITATE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU SEE ALL THIS STUFF FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THAT'S HOW THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION.
FOR SOME REASON, THIS CONVERSATION IS THE OTHER.
TO CONVERSATION AND CONVERSATION.
>> WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO IS WHEN YOU HAVE A PARCEL WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND A LOT OF THINGS YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND MULTIPLE USES, AND YOU HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM, YOU'VE GOT TO BE MINDFUL OF SURE FUTURE EXPANSION AND WHATEVER.
SO IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT NOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE, I'VE GOT TO EXPAND MY SEPTIC SYSTEM, BUT THE BUILDING SITS RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT, THEN YOU CAN'T [OVERLAPPING] SO IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS.
>> AND ME AND LISA HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, AFTER THE MEETING AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO IN AND MEET WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO FILE OUR TNC APPLICATION IF EVERYTHING'S APPROVED TODAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL COME OUT AND TEST WELL ONCE OR TWICE.
SO MY FIRST CONVERSATION BACK IN FEBRUARY WAS THEY WERE GOING TO TEST ONCE.
WHEN I WENT A COUPLE OF WEEKS, ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO OR SO BEFORE, THEY SAID IT MAY BE TWICE.
IT'S OKAY WITH ME. I DON'T CARE IF YOU TEST ONCE OR TWICE OR EVERY DAY. WE CAN DO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S ALL KIND OF LIKE THAT.
BUT LISA AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION AFTER THE FACT, WE'RE LIKE YO KNOW WHAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, COME OUT, DO THE EVALUATION OF THE WELL, NOT THE TESTING OF IT, BUT TO DO THE EVALUATION OF THE WELL ON THE SEPTIC AND STUFF IF WE DO MOVE INTO THIS.
BECAUSE AS THE EVENT PLAN STATE, WE PLAN ON USING PORTABLE POLYSTYRENE TRAILERS.
NOW, MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DIRECTOR FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, HE SAID THERE'S A LOT OF TALK UP THROUGH LEGISLATURE AND STUFF REGARDING THE TRAILERS ARE ACTUALLY BEING CONSIDERED NOW AS HOLDING TANKS.
SO THAT MADE US START THINKING LIKE, WELL, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO START THINKING.
MAYBE WE NEED TO PREP ALL OF THIS AND GO FOR THIS.
SO HYPOTHETICALLY, EVEN IF I GOT TO GO TO THE HEAD AND REBUILD THIS BUILDING AND WE STORE INTO THAT PART, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE ASSESSMENT, I WOULD STILL DROP THE BUMP AND SO IT'S DONE.
I WOULD RUN RUN THE STUFF. THAT WOULD BE DONE.
AND THEN THAT WAY, ONCE THIS IS TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH I HAVE NO DOUBTS THAT THIS WOULD BE APPROVED OR ANYTHING, PER EVALUATION AND SO FORTH, THEN WE COULD MEET FOR THE TIME AND SO FORTH.
AND AGAIN, IF WE NEED TO EXPAND THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY ANOTHER 120 FEET HERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THIS THAT GOES OVER HERE IN THE FRONT.
>> WHICH WE'LL NEVER PUT ANYTHING.
>> YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING WITH THAT EITHER.
AND THAT'S ALL WITH IT. YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S ALL THIS HERE, AND IT RUNS ALL THE WAY OVER TO HERE.
THERE'S TREE ON THE CORNER HERE.
THERE'S NO TREES DOWN THROUGH HERE OR ANYTHING, AND THIS IS THE ALL FARMLAND, THE OLD DOWNTOWN.
AND AGAIN, OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR, GETTING BACK TO THE EVENT VENUE, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY 620 ACES OF PROTECTED FARMLAND.
OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR IS ACTUALLY OVER A QUARTER OF A MILE AS TO CROW FLIES.
IT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO HALF MILE, THERE'S A NEIGHBOR THAT SITS OVER HERE AND A NEIGHBOR THAT SITS OVER HERE.
THEY'RE THE CLOSEST. BACK BEHIND THE PROPERTY, ABOUT SAY ALMOST CLOSE TO HALF MILE, IS A TINY COTTAGE THAT PEOPLE RENT BACK THERE THAT'S PART OF ARTHUR'S ESTATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT IN THERE.
>> YES, IT'S BACK THERE, SO IT'S QUITE A WAYS BACK AND SO FORTH.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE, THIS IS A SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD HERE THAT WAS PART OF OUR EMERGENCY PLAN.
SO IF WE WOULD EVER NEED TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ROUTE OR WHATNOT, THAT IS AN EMERGENCY ROUTE TO GET OUT OF THERE AS WELL, AS WELL AS COMING STRAIGHT OUT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
AS FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST, WE ARE EQUIPPED FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST AND STUFF.
WE'VE MET WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE MET WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BACK IN FEBRUARY, I HAVE ALL THE EMAILS.
WE MET WITH MARGARET, IN REGARDS TO WHAT ARE OUR REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE A HISTORIC HOUSE AND RIP OUR KITCHEN OUT, SORRY, JUST TO PUT IN A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN FOR SOMEBODY THAT RENTS A MINIMUM OF TWO.
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+OR THREE TIMES A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.SO MARGARET GAVE US ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND SO FORTH THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW AND BASICALLY, IT'S [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S A CONTINENTAL BREAKFAST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO PERISHABLE FOODS AT ALL.
EVERYTHING WILL BE PREPACKAGED, PRE-MADE.
>> NOTHING IS GOING TO BE PREPARED IN THE HOUSE AT ALL.
>> AND NOW IF THERE WOULD BE A WEDDING AND THAT PEOPLE WANT TO RENT THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING, WE WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPTION OF WORKING WITH THE CHEF, BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE PREPARED OFF-SITE AND ALL THAT.
SO WE DON'T PLAN ON DOING ANY OF THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT HAND WASHING AND CAPACITY AND ALL THIS STUFF WITH THE COOKING.
THAT WAS NEVER PART OF THE PLAN, AND AGAIN I HAVE ALL OF MARGARET'S EMAILS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE DON'T WANT TO COOK FOR ANYBODY. [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S NOT YOUR GOAL? [BACKGROUND] SO THE BED AND BREAKFAST IS THE WAY TO GO TO GET YOUR-
>> I KNOW THIS IS A SEPARATE SITUATION, BUT EVEN WITH ALCOHOL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SERVE POURABLE ALCOHOL.
IT'S GOING TO BE ALL PREPACKAGED, LIKE CANS, BOTTLES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TAP SYSTEMS AND STUFF.
IT'S GOING TO BE A CAN OF BEER.
>> SO WE CAN MANAGE OUR SUPPLY AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT.
SO I'M ASKING TO TELL WHEN WE WILL DO THIS.
EVEN WITH THE LIQUOR PORTION OF IT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A FULL BAR SITTING ANYWHERE.
[OVERLAPPING] IT WOULD BE SIGNATURE DRINKS.
IF IT WAS FOR A WEDDING OR SOMETHING, THERE WOULD BE FOUR SIGNATURE DRINKS TWO MASCULINE AND TWO FEMININE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE WANTED TO HAVE A MOTHER'S DAY.
WE ABORTED THAT FOR THIS YEAR UNTIL WE WERE CLEAR ON THE WHOLE PROCESS.
>> EVEN THERE, IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN ONE OR TWO COCKTAILS FOR GUESTS.
>> I UNDERSTAND. [OVERLAPPING] IT'S NOT A DRINKING FACILITY, IT'S MORE ABOUT ACCOMPANIMENT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. LIKE SAY THAT WE HAVE A YOUNG ARTIST THAT WANTS TO COME OUT AND THEY'RE DOING A THREE-HOUR SHOW, LIKE OUR SON-IN-LAW WHO DOES THAT UP IN PA AND STUFF.
IF HE CAME OUT OR SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING] THREE HOURS OF PEOPLE HAVING BEERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> OR A BOTTLE OF WINE, THE LITTLE BOTTLES.
>> THAT WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN WITH THAT.
AGAIN, UTILIZING THE BATHROOM TRAILERS.
WELL, THEY CALL THEM BOUTIQUE TRAILERS, OR WHATEVER, OR PORTA POTTIES, WHICH WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PORTA POTTIES AND WE'RE WORKING WITH COMPANIES ABOUT WHO WE CAN ACTUALLY WORK WITH THAT MANAGES THAT.
THAT COME OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THAT FOR US AND STUFF, AS WELL AS HAND WASHING STATIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WE'VE INVESTED IN THAT KIND OF STUFF AS WELL.
SO THAT WAS REALLY THE PLAN IN REGARDS TO THE REQUEST FOR CHANGE TO EXEMPTION FOR THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CAN YOU REVIEW THE BUILDING AND HOW THE POSITIONING CAME TO BE? I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT IT'S- [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, I TALKED TO BLAIR AND I SAID, BLAIR PUT A BUILDING OVER THERE.
I WANTED TO POINT TOWARDS THE POND, AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS SAID.
>> BUT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT STRAIGHTER INSTEAD OF ON THAT ANGLE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE GOING TO SPIN IT.
>> IT'LL REQUIRE LESS FOOTAGE.
>> SO INSTEAD OF IT SITTING LIKE THIS, IT'S GOING TO SIT BACKWARD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> MORE PARALLEL TO THE HOUSE.
>> AS WE ARE APPROACHING ON THIS ISSUE.
SO ALL IT'S GOING TO DO IS PIVOT, AND BASED ON THE PIVOT, WE MEASURED IT OUT.
[OVERLAPPING] IF YOU MEASURE IT OUT BASED ON SCALE FROM POINT TO POINT, IT WAS 80 FEET GOING TO HERE FROM THAT POINT, SO WE JUST TOOK IT AND SPUN IT.
>> DID YOU DO SOME ESTIMATION AS TO NOT NECESSARILY ENCROACHING INTO THE SEPTIC AREA, BUT IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT? WHAT'S THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO THAT YOU COULD DO TO MAKE THAT?
>> WE COULD FLIP IT OVER, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD MOVE IT MORE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE TREE LINE IS I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
>> BUT WE'LL SAY THEY'RE MULBERRY TREES AND THEY'RE INVASIVE, SO THEY ABSOLUTELY COULD COME DOWN.
>> LIKE THIS, WHERE IT SAYS POND, THAT'S A LITTLE KOI-POND.
[OVERLAPPING] THERE'S A TREE THAT PROBABLY SITS, WOULD YOU SAY WITHIN THE FEET OF THAT POND?
WE COULD PROBABLY MOVE THAT OVER.
>> I HATE TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER OF 12 FEET, MAYBE.
>> I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO FOR THE VARIANCE, IT'S NOT A VARIANCE, WELL, IT IS A VARIANCE, IT'S NOT A USE, IS IT?
>> IT'S NOT WHOLLY VARIANCE, BUT IT'S IN THE NATURE OF A VARIANCE.
>> IT'S IN THE NATURE OF A VARIANCE.
I'M GOING TO PLAY WITH YOU ON THIS JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE IDEA OF THE VARIANCE AND HOW MUCH CAN YOU MINIMIZE YOUR IMPACT TO THAT 150.
IN OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND ASK YOU TO TELL ME SPECIFICALLY,
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BUT IF YOU CAN MOVE IT INSIDE.I REALIZE FROM THE PARKING AREA, THAT SEEMS TO BE LESS FLUCTUATING BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'VE GOT WITH PARKING BUT FROM THE SIDELINE, IF YOU COULD TUCK IT IN A LITTLE NEATER AND JUST GIVE US MAYBE 130 FEET INSTEAD OF 120, MAYBE OR WHO KNOWS, 80 FOOT FROM THE SIDE AND 120 FROM THE BACK?
>> YEAH 120 FROM THE BACK [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUST TO BE MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHY IS IT SET ON 150?
I DIDN'T MAKE IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOTHING THAT WE MADE UP.
>> WELL, I KNOW, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT IS, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S [INAUDIBLE]? [OVERLAPPING]
>> LIKE I SAID, ARE THEY LOOKING AT THIS AS BEING THIS HUGE EVENT, LIKE JFK STADIUM?
>> THAT'S WHAT I SEE WITH THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S BECAUSE YOUR SITUATION IS UNIQUE, SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO FACTOR THAT IN OUR DECISION.
>> MY POINT IS REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT A UNIQUE SITUATION IF YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO TUCK IT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GIVE US YOUR WORD.
>> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE] WITH THAT.
>> IF YOU CAN DO THAT [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY ASK OF YOU
>> WHATEVER STRUCTURE WE PUT UP IS GOING TO BLEND IN WITH THE PROPERTY.
>> EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU GUYS PERSONALLY.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS BEAUTIFUL. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE RULES ARE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
>> I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT, I COULD GO LIKE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, CONFIGURATIONWISE. I DON'T KNOW.
>> SO THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.
>> YOU MEAN YOU'RE COMPLETING [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S LIKE AN END OF MAP, BUT TO PUT IT JUST TURN IT SO IT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> EVEN, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME IN, IF IT'S LONG WISE, IT'S KEEPING IT FROM INSIDE.
BUT IF YOU TURN IT THE OTHER WAY, IT'S GOING TO BE LONGER THIS WAY.
>> YOU COULDN'T HUG IT OVER TO THE BACK OF THAT.
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT IT, BECAUSE SEE THE POND IS THERE AND YOU'VE GOT TREES AND STUFF AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUTTING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE ALMOST.
>> YEAH. THEIR SITUATION IS UNIQUE. THERE'S NO QUESTION.
>> BECAUSE IT WAS ALL ONE PARCEL A LONG TIME.
>> SO WE CAN GET A DRIVE BY, AND DO IT ON THAT SIDE.
I THINK 120 IS THE BEST WE COULD DO ON IT.
AND EVEN THEN, I'M NOT GOING TO LIE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE LIKE TWO MULBERRY TREES, NOT THE WHOLE, PROBABLY NOT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, THE MULBERRY TREES ARE INVASIVE SPECIES. THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
>> BECAUSE IT'LL COME RIGHT OVER.
IF WE BRING IT OVER AND SPIN IT, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE USED TO KEEP THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHERE THE LINES ARE?
SO IF WE COME OVER, IT'S 10 FEET.
THERE'S A MULBERRY TREE RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE I USED TO KEEP MY BEES HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S, IT'S IT'S NOT A TREE, IT'S LIKE A BUSH OR SOMETHING.
IT'S LIKE WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
>> BUT ALL OF TREES FROM THAT TREE LINE, THEY JUST GREW EVERYTHING BACKWARDS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A CARE OF, THE PROPERTY.
SO THOSE TREES ARE NOT VALUABLE TREES.
WE PLANT A LOT OF TREES, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ALL THAT WHOLE LINE OF TREES, IT'S JUST MULBERRY BUSHES.
>> SO WHAT ARE YOU THINKING THOUGH, IN TERMS OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, I THINK IF WE COME 120 FEET OVER, IT'S GOING TO PUT THIS CORNER ABOUT HERE, AND THEN WE GO 40 FEET OVER.
AND AGAIN, WE MAY NOT GO 40 [OVERLAPPING].
>> SO THAT WILL DROP US RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
>> YOU'LL BE CLOSER TO YOUR EXISTING BUILDINGS AND WHATNOT.
WE PUT THAT IN FOR THE DUCKS WHEN WE HAVE DUCKS.
>> WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ASK FOR YOU TO GIVE US THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU CAN DO, AND IF IT'S 120 FROM THE SIDELINES, TO ME, THAT SAYS WE'RE DOING OUR JOB TO ASK FOR YOU GUYS TO MOVE IT IN AND BE IN LINE AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN.
AND BECAUSE IT'S A UNIQUE PROPERTY, WE UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THINGS.
I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT IF YOU CAN DO THAT.
IF YOU KEEP IT 120, 120 THEN I FEEL LIKE 30 FEET IS
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NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AROUND YOU.AND THIS IS JUST US BOUNCING IDEAS.
WOULD YOU AGREE? MATT OR HILLARY, WOULD YOU AGREE?
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT ABOUT THAT MINIMUM, EVEN IF YOU COULD GET US 100 FEET?
>> THIS EVENT'S HAPPENING INSIDE.
AND TO SIT HERE AND LOOK RIGHT THERE AND SEE THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
THERE'S THREE OF US HERE. BUT EVEN IF HE COULD GO INSTEAD OF 80, HE COULD GO TO 100 FEET.
IT STILL GIVES HIM A LITTLE SEPARATION FROM THE BACK SIDE OF THOSE OUT BUILDINGS TO MAKE IT STILL FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN YOUR OWN LITTLE SPACE.
BECAUSE THAT, IN ALL HONESTY, YOU MAKE HIM JAM IN TOO CLOSE.
>> I MADE ON BACK OF THE BUILDINGS.
>> THE DAUGHTER IS LIKE, WELL, I WANTED TO HAVE MY WEDDING HERE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THAT CLOSE TO THESE THINGS.
EXCUSE ME FOR ROLE PLAYING [LAUGHTER].
I KNOW WHAT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DO.
WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO TRYING TO FIND THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE AND IS THERE ANY AVAILABILITY ON THEIR SIDE TO MOVE THINGS A LITTLE BIT? IT MAKES IT EASIER [LAUGHTER].
>> WELL, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME LEEWAY WITH OUR CONVERSATION.
NOW, WHAT I WOULD LOVE IS IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW, I GUESS IT WOULD BE YOUR CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE YOU HAD THAT ALL PUT TOGETHER, I BELIEVE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF WE WANT TO HAVE A CONSENSUS ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION.
>> WE COULD KEEP IT 100, 100, BUT I THINK 120 WE'RE GOOD.
BUT IF WE CAME IN 100, IT'S GOING TO PUT US STRAIGHT ABOUT HERE, WHICH DOESN'T ENCROACH ON THOSE TREES.
AT THE VERY MOST, IT WOULD BE JUST ONE MULBERRY.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THAT ROUND THAT SITS RIGHT THERE.
IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD IF WE CAME IN 100.
SO THIS WOULD COME OVER AND SIT AT 100 AND GO FOR YOU THAT.
SO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IF WE GO 120, WE'LL TRY AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE A PROGRAM ON THE DRAWINGS.
>> WELL, LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN'T MOVE ON TO YOUR CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL.
LET'S TRY AND TALK ABOUT THOSE.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM MATT OR WE HAVE MORE TO DO BEFORE WE DELIBERATE, THEN WE'LL ADDRESS THAT ONE MORE TIME.
AND WE CAN PUT, YEAH, THERE THEY ARE ON THE SCREEN.
>> DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE BREAK AND BREAKFAST?
>> BECAUSE THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THESE ARE [OVERLAPPING].
>> AROUND FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST OR FOR BOTH. THAT SOUNDS FINE.
>> WE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> THAT'S ME. I'M JUST GOING TO TURN OFF.
>> THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN CERTAINLY JUST READ THROUGH THEM AND THAT WAY WE HAVE THOSE FOR THE RECORD.
>> WE HAVE THE LAW 1781, WE'LL STRIVE TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE APPROVE OF OUR REQUEST FOR BED AND BREAKFAST DESIGNATION BY THE BOARD IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR APPROVED VENUE STATUS, REQUESTS APPROVAL OF OUR BED AND BREAKFAST REQUEST, AS WELL AS OUR REQUEST FOR COMPENSATION FOR OUR CURRENT EVENT VENUE.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO OUR EVENT VENUE OPERATION.
THE ADDITIONAL OFFERING OF BED AND BREAKFAST OR CURRENT OFFERING AND BETTERING THE EXPECTATION OF OUR CLIENTELE.
THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE AREA, CASTLE WELFARE, ONE SITS A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM HENDERSON ROAD WITH THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR AT A QUARTER OF A MILE AS WELL, AND ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IS A GIVEN FOR ANY NEW BUSINESS.
AN POTENTIAL INCREASE IN BEACH TIP DUST IS ALWAYS A CONCERN, WHETHER IT'S HOW WE CAN FILL OR RETAIN A ROOF.
WE'VE SUBMITTED AN EFFECTIVE BEACH DUST MANAGEMENT PLAN TO MINIMIZE POTENTIAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS POTENTIAL ISSUE.
WE FEEL COMPACT. WE CAN MINIMIZE THIS [LAUGHTER].
>> THERE YOU GO. SHARE AND LIKE. WE LIKE IT.
>> SO THE SECOND ONE IS WE WILL NOT BE DANGEROUS TO THE PEACEFUL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY
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DIMINISH THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.OUR RESPONSE WOULD BE THAT CASTLE HALL 17 ONE WILL NOT AFFECT PEACEFUL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF OTHER PROPERTIES CASTLE HALL, SIDSON, CULEMON, OR ALPENGERS MCGRID.
WITH OPERATIONS ENDING BY 10:00 P.M AT NIGHT, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ISSUES WITH OUR NEIGHBORS OR OUR COMMUNITY.
AS FOR THE PROPERTY VALUES, WE HAVE SIGNED ON NOTHING BUT RAISE PROPERTY VALUES SINCE PURCHASING CASTLE HALL NEXT TO THE CINCINNATI DISTRICT, SO WE'RE SETTING THEM UP.
UNTIL CONFIDANT OCCUR, FUTURE PLANS FOR CASTLE HALL SET TO BE ONE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO RAISE THE PROPERTY VALUES.
>> THANK YOU. OH, WE HAVE A QUESTION, IS IT? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
>> WILL NOT IMPEDE THE NORMAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE GRAND PROPERTY FOR USE PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
OUR RESPONSE IS CASTLE HALL 1781 WILL NOT IMPEDE ON NORMAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND HERE'S ONE OF THE 1,620 ACRES OF PROTECTED AGRICULTURAL FARMLAND.
WE SUPPORT THE PRESERVATION OF FARMLAND, WHICH PROVIDES ASSURANCE THAT FARMERS AND FAMILIES ARE HERE TO STAY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
>> SO THE NEXT ONE, WE WILL NOT OVERBURDEN EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITIES, INCLUDING SCHOOLS, POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION, WATER AND SEWAGE, PUBLIC ROADS, STORM DRAINAGE, AND OTHER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THE RESPONSE IS THAT CASTLE HALL 1781 DOES NOT INTEND TO STRETCH EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITIES, POLICE FIRE PROTECTION AND OTHER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
WE WILL PROVIDE SECURITY ON SITE, SO IT'S NOT THE TROUBLE OR BURDEN OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE WILL BE DILIGENT IN MONITORING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND INCREASED RISK OF FIRE AND REGARDS OUTDOOR FIRE, EXTERIOR HEATERS.
WATER AND SEWER WILL NOT BE BURDENS.
WE WILL OPERATE OFF THE DEEP WELL, RESTROOM TRAILERS, PORT OF PODIES AND EVENTUALLY THE EXPANSION AND THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER COMMERCIAL SEPTIC IS PERMISSIBLE.
>>CONFORMS AND RESPECTS TO THIS CHAPTER AND ESPECIALLY TO THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH IT IS TO BE LOCATED.
THE TOWN OF GOLDSBORO MARYLAND COMPREHENSIVE ZONING PLAN SHOWS THAT CASTLE HALL 1781 ADDRESS IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS.
HOWEVER, THE GOLDSBORO LAND USE AND BUILDING MANAGEMENT PLAN, PARK, AND LAND USE WITHIN THE TOWN OF GOLDSBORO INCLUDE GOAL NUMBER 8, ENCOURAGE THE RESTORATION REHABILITATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE SPECIAL HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
>> THAT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT WATER QUALITY OR ADVERSELY IMPACT FISH, WILDLIFE, OR HABITAT WITHIN THE CRITICAL AREA.
IF THE GRAND STUFF TO USE IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CRITICAL AREA PROGRAM FOR CAROLINE COUNTY, THE CRITICAL AREA IN THIS CHAPTER.
RESPONSE IN CAROLINE COUNTY, THE [INAUDIBLE] CRITICAL AREA LAW AFFECTS ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF THE RIVER IN THE TUCKAHOE CREEKS AND THEIR TRIBUTARIES.
CASTLE HALL 1781 IS NOT LOCATED IN ONE OF THOSE ABOVE THOSE CRITICAL AREAS.
AS WE CONTINUE TO UNIFY THE EXTERIOR OF CASTLE HALL 1781, OUR PLAN IS TO USE PLANTS AND GROUND COVER TO THE EASTERN SHORE OF [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT'S RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] VERY NICE.
VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS, GUYS? NO?
>> I GUESS I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, AND THIS IS A DOUBLE BUT IT'S FOR MATT AND LISA.
IS THERE A MITIGATION PROCESS? IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO BUILD THAT, IF WE DO THE APPROVAL AND THEY WANT TO BUILD THAT, IS THERE A MITIGATION PROCESS FOR THEM? IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THEM PLANT ANYTHING?
>> NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE CRITICAL AREA, SO DON'T APPLY.
>> THERE IS NO NEED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING.
>> ANYTHING THAT THEY DO IS JUST BENEFICIAL?
>> MATT, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE SETBACKS AND OUR RESPONSE AND HOW OUR APPROACH NEEDS TO BE, AND MAYBE EVEN YOU, PATRICK, WEIGHING IN ON THIS BEING A SPECIAL USE, NOT A VARIANCE, BUT IT'S LIKE IT LEADS US INTO MORE OF A VARIANCE ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S A SETBACK?
>> I THINK FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE 150 FEET IS NECESSARY, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED IT AT THIS MEETING,
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BUT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE GOT INTO THE FACT OF HOW FAR THE NEIGHBORS WERE AWAY, HOW THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT SURROUNDS IT IS IN AN AG EASEMENT, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS CLOSER TO WHAT THEY HAVE NOW.THE 150-FOOT SETBACK, FROM HOW I INTERPRET THAT, IS BASED ON REALLY NOISE.
WHY ELSE WOULD YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT SETBACK SO FAR OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LIVE MUSIC FOR EVENTS? WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE PARCEL, WHICH.
>> IT'S A DECENT SIZE FOR THE USE.
THE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY AN AG EASEMENT.
THOSE ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF ONCE IT'S ON AN AG LAND PRESERVATION FOUNDATION EASEMENT.
THEN THE SIZE AND SCOPE, AND CAPACITY OF THE EVENT VENUE.
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY IN THE 150-200 PEOPLE RANGE.
A 40*70 STRUCTURE IN ITSELF IS NOT ENTIRELY HUGE BY ANY MEANS.
>> ESPECIALLY NOT ON A PARCEL OF THIS SIZE.
I'M NOT SURE IF I WOULD SPECIFICALLY LIMIT THEM TO AN ACTUAL FOOT, LIKE, YOU GOT TO BE 120 FEET FROM HERE OR 120 FEET.
SIMPLY BECAUSE FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF, WELL, JUST THOUGHTS, IS THIS AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE OR A PAVILION, OR MAYBE ONE OR THE OTHER? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE?
>> YEAH. IT'S ACTUALLY AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE.
>> BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE FALL AROUND IT TOO.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS JUST BASICALLY, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE DON'T WANT TO DO A BARN BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A COW BARN AND WE DON'T WANT TO COMPETE.
WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM THEM.
WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO A WHOLE BUSINESS.
WE JUST WANT TO DO ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE AND MAINTAIN THE BUILDING.
WE WANTED TO DO A GREENHOUSE BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT IF THEY'RE $300,000.
RIGHT. WE WANT TO DO A MAKESHIFT CREAM.
>> SO THAT YOU SEE THE FARMLANDS.
>> YOU'RE IMMERSED IN THE OUTSIDE.
AS YOU'RE OUTSIDE, SITTING INSIDE, YOU'RE IMMERSING YOURSELF IN WHAT'S AROUND.
>> LIKE SIX FOOT. FRENCH DOORS THAT OPEN THE PLACE UP TO [OVERLAPPING] BUT THE AREA IS THE OPENNESS ITSELF FOR WINDOWS IN BETWEEN THAT.
>> IT COULD BE USED ALL SEASON.
>> OPEN TO THE ELEMENTS OR CLOSE IT OFF IF NEED BE. EXACTLY.
>> THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A DISADVANTAGE IN USING THE 10, IS THAT IT LIMITS OUR SEASON.
>> FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT A BOX ON A PIECE OF PAPER, IT'S EASY TO SAY, WELL, JUST PUSH IT BACK TO 120 FEET.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT I DON'T HAVE A LIMITED DISTURBANCE TIED INTO THIS YET FOR THE STRUCTURES, SO I DON'T KNOW.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED STOLEN MANAGEMENT FOR WHAT'S ON HERE THAT'S SHOWN PREVIOUSLY, BUT WHEN WE HAVE TO INCLUDE IT FOR HOWEVER THE STRUCTURE IS DONE, WE'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED ALREADY BECAUSE OF WHERE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS LOCATED.
BECAUSE OF WHERE THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE LOCATED.
I'M NOT SURE IF I WOULD LIMIT THEM EVEN MORE ON THE SETBACK, MAYBE IN THIS AREA, YOU THINK ABOUT MAYBE MEETING THE MINIMUM ZONING SETBACK JUST IN-BETWEEN THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, AND THE PARKING AREA.
MAYBE THAT'S THE AREA TO SAY, WELL, AS LONG AS YOU MEET YOUR MINIMUM SETBACKS IN THIS AREA BEYOND THE 150 BECAUSE 150 PUSHES THEM WAY TOO CLOSE TO THE BUILDINGS.
BUT THAT'S FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LIMIT THEM ZONING-WISE, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT YOUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR IS A HALF A MILE AWAY. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
>> WELL, THAT'S THE ZONING SIDE, NOW ON THE LEGAL SIDE, PATRICK.
>> I THINK THE [NOISE] LANGUAGES IN HERE IT GIVES THE BOARD FLEXIBILITY.
THE SPECIAL EVENT CAN BE A LOT.
THAT 150 IS DESIGNED IN CASE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO REALLY UPSET YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR, THAT'S MAYBE 300 FEET. NOT A HALF A MILE.
>> A VENUE THAT MIGHT BE PLAYING MUSIC IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME THING AS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND PROBABLY AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S CLOSE BY OR A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL PROBLEM.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. HERE IF THEY HAD MUSIC, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S ANYBODY AROUND.
>> WELL, THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE,
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THEN I THINK WE CONSIDER.>> TURN THE BUILDING DEEP, MEET THE 80 FEET TO THE SIDE, STAY THE 120.
>> TRY TO MEET THE SETBACKS IN BETWEEN.
>> I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO GIVE YOU THAT FLEXIBILITY.
>> WELL, THAT'S GOOD. THAT WAS MY POINT.
>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM FEEL ANY MORE PAIN ABOUT MOVING IT IF IT'S REALLY DESIGNED TO GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ABOUT MINIMUM NECESSARY TO AFFORD RELIEF, LIKE A VARIANCE.
>> THEY'RE NOT A VARIANCE FROM THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
JUST SAYING, THIS IS THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS TYPICAL BUT VERY PROPER [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS THE STANDARD, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEVIATE FROM THAT BASED ON THESE CRITERIA.
>> WELL, THEN I THINK WE JUST GOT OURSELVES AN ANSWER THAT MAKES VERY GOOD SENSE TO YOU TOO.
>> JUST ONE THING, JUST TO ADDRESS IT THOUGH.
AS PART OF OUR HOURS OPERATION, WE DO STATE HERE THAT AMPLIFIED MUSIC WOULD BE STOPPED AT 9:00 P.M., AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR NOISE ABATEMENT PLAN, TOO, WE'RE ACTUALLY MONITORING.
>> ALL THAT STUFF WAS HANDLED, SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE ISSUE.
IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT THE SETBACK AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE BED AND BREAKFAST ADDITION.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT CHANGES ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY GIVING YOU THE FREEDOM TO HAVE THE ALCOHOL.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN REALLY GOING FOR IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN THAT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR HANDS ARE TIED.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, REALLY. DO YOU?
>> NO. I THINK THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS AND AS THEY MOVE FORWARD IN THIS AND THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT? 40*70 STRETCHES OUR BUDGET, LET'S DO 30*60, BUT MAYBE IN THAT CASE, THAT 10 FEET THAT COMES OFF OF THAT 40 COMES AWAY FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE.
>> HONESTLY, AFTER REVISITING THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HOW THIS IS DESIGNED AND WHY, IT'S DESIGNED THIS WAY BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE HECK THE VENUE IS GOING TO BE.
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE REST [OVERLAPPING].
>> IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
THERE'S NO PEOPLE LINED UP SAYING, WE DON'T WANT YOU DOING THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION. THAT ANSWERS THAT.
IT'S ALSO PRESERVATION OF A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
IF YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FURTHER YOU NEED TO ASK, THE DUST MITIGATION THING, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF PREVIOUS.
THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ON A FARM ANYWAY AND EVEN IF IT GETS REALLY DRY, DUST IS GOING TO KICK UP.
THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO. YOU'LL ASK PEOPLE TO GO SLOW, THAT'S A GIVEN.
I DON'T [BACKGROUND]. OF COURSE, YOU ARE.
>> I GUESS WHAT ARE THEY? THEY'RE SPEED BOATS THAT YOU CAN TAKE UP.
>> BLOWS PUT SOME IN GOING UP TO BLOW SEAFOOD.
THEY PUT THEM IN. IT'S LIKE A HARD PLASTIC THING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] PEOPLE RAISING DOWN.
>> I KNOW. WE'VE GOT A LONG LANE TOO, AND TRUST ME, IT'S NOT FUN.
ARE WE GOOD, THEN, GUYS? YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH IT?
[Board Deliberation]
YOU WANT TO DELIBERATE? WE'VE ASKED OUR QUESTIONS, AND I THINK WE GOT SOME GOOD STUFF.I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING FURTHER TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT.
>> BECAUSE IT'S A TWO-PART THING, WE SHOULD DELIBERATE AND APPROVE OR DENY THIS AND THEN MOVE TO THE BED AND BREAKFAST, CORRECT?
>> WE GOT TO GO THROUGH IT TWICE. WE'LL DO THAT.
>> WE GET PAID A BIG BUCKS FOR IT.
>> WE NEED TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GO FURTHER. WE WILL.
>> NO, THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL DO THAT BECAUSE WE GOT TO READ SOME MORE STUFF. THE MICS WEREN'T ON?
>> THIS IS USUALLY NOT ALLOWED, SO THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> SEE, WE'RE BEING RECORDED, SO I'M NOT SAYING A LOT.
>> JUST SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE.
>> [LAUGHTER] I COULDN'T RESIST. I'M SORRY.
THE LITTLE KID IN ME MADE ME DO IT.
>> THERE'S CONDITION FOR APPROVAL, I'M JUST GOING TO READ THIS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
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BUT FOR MOSER HE'S ALWAYS ALREADY PREPARED FOR IT, SO WE CAN JUST READ BACK OR JUST REFER TO THEIR RESPONSE.>> WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN OUR DELIBERATION AND WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH THE APPROVAL FOR THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION THAT WE'RE DOING FIRST AND FOREMOST.
WE'RE GOING TO START OFF AND WE'RE GOING TO READ RIGHT BACK THROUGH AND JUST POINT OUT OUR THOUGHTS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
THE FACT THAT IT WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL OR ENDANGER THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR HEALTH AND GENERAL WELFARE, AS INDICATED BY MR. MOSER IN THEIR COMMENTS, THE FACT THAT IT SITS A QUARTER MILE OFF OF HENDERSON ROAD IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON AND TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
>> OH, WE'LL DO THAT TOO. WELL, YEAH.
THE OBVIOUS THING IS, YES, THERE WAS A WRITTEN APPLICATION AND IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED AND WE HAVE PUBLICLY PUT THAT OUT THERE ON FOUR, THREE AND FOUR, 10, AS INDICATED IN OUR EXHIBITS.
YES, WE HAD A DULY ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING WHICH IS BEING HELD TONIGHT, SO THAT'S GOOD.
BACK TO CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL.
THANKS FOR CORRECTING ME. I APPRECIATE THAT.
NEXT WEEK, THOUGH, NEXT MONTH, YOU'LL BE GETTING A CORRECTION FROM ME.
THE GENERAL WELFARE IS NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY ANYBODY, AND I THINK THE DUST SITUATION IS REALLY NOT EVEN A BIG DEAL.
YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS GOING TO BE, PERIODICALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVENTS.
IT'S NOT EVERY WEEKEND, IT'S NOT ALL THE TIME.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM YOU GUYS OR IS THAT PRETTY MUCH SUM IT UP.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO GO WITH WHAT THEY SUBMITTED, EXHIBIT 1 OF 2.
THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS, A QUARTER OF A MILE, MAYBE EVEN FURTHER. THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.
>> THAT IS EXHIBIT 5, PAGE 1 OF 2, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THEN IT WILL NOT BE INJURIOUS TO THE PEACEFUL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF OTHER PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS 600 ACRES AND THEY HAVE VERY FEW PEOPLE NEARBY, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE ANYBODY ANY ISSUE.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE SAME THING, EXHIBIT 5 INDICATES THAT, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPEDE THE NORMAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY FOR USES PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE AGAIN, THEIRS IS VERY UNIQUE.
THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY FARM IT'S IN AG PRESERVATION, AND THEIR EVENT AND THEIR OLDER HOME IS VERY UNIQUE TO THAT SITTING.
SO THERE'S NOBODY ELSE AROUND THEM THAT'S GOING TO BE A IMPEDED BY THAT THAT I CAN SEE.
>> GOING TO ADD ANYTHING THERE MIKE?
>> IT'S LIKE I'M NOT EVEN HERE.
>> THEN IT WILL NOT OVERBURDEN EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITIES IN SCHOOL, POLICE, AND WHATEVER.
>> THEY'RE ARE ON A PRIVATE. WELL, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SETTING.
THERE'S NO WATER AND SEWER ISSUES WITH THE TOWN BECAUSE THE TOWN DOES NOW HAVE WATER AND SEWER, BUT THEY DO NOT.
>> BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN TOWN LIMITS.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADD EXHIBIT 5, 2 OF 2 WHAT THEY PUT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN THEIR OWN REST ROOMS, PORTA POTTIES, HAND WASHING STATIONS, IS WHAT THEY SAID.
>> IF PERMISSIBLE, EVENTUALLY, IT MIGHT HAVE A COMMERCIAL SEPTIC SYSTEM.
IT CONFORMS IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS TO THIS CHAPTER, ESPECIALLY TO THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH IT'S LOCATED.
AGAIN, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN OF GOLDSBORO BY COSH, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE AREA AND IT IS SPECIFIC THAT THEY WANT TO SEE THE HERITAGE OF THESE OLDER PROPERTIES PRESERVED AS INDICATED IN THEIR STATEMENT, EXHIBIT 5.
>> IT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT WATER QUALITY.
WE KNOW THAT DOESN'T EVEN APPLY HERE.
THEY'RE NOT NEAR THAT, SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE.
[00:55:04]
THAT'S THAT SITUATION.I THINK IT'S MET EVERYTHING, AND I WOULD VENTURE A GUESS THAT SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION.
>> YEAH, I THINK [INAUDIBLE] WILL. [LAUGHTER] I MIGHT HAVE FORGOT, BEN.
[Motion for Decision]
>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASTLE HALL 1781 SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION.
>> AND THAT IT COMPLIES WITH, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN EXCEPTION OR WHAT.
BUT IF THEY DO BUILD THE BUILDING TO MEET AT MINIMUM 80 FEET TO THE SIDE AND 120 FROM THE PARKING, WHICH IS THE REAR PROPERTY.
IF THE BUILDING IS DOWNSIZED TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT OF FOOTAGE AWAY FROM THOSE PROPERTY LINES, THE APPLICANT MUST RECEIVE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND/OR PLANNING DIRECTOR PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMIT AND/OR ZONING CERTIFICATE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED USE.
NUMBER 2, THE APPLICANT MUST RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMIT AND/OR ZONING CERTIFICATE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED USE.
NUMBER 3, A BUILDING PERMIT AND/OR ZONING CERTIFICATE WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY ALL OF THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION AND THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
FOURTH AND FINAL, THE BOARD'S DECISION SHALL BE VOID ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL UNLESS A PLAT IS RECORDED OR A ZONING CERTIFICATE AND/OR BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED AND CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF THE DECISION.
NOW, WE CAN VOTE TO EXTEND THAT FROM A YEAR, IF YOU THINK YOU SHOULD NEED MORE TIME.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU THINK, CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE LONGER?
>> WELL, I THINK BECAUSE WE CAN'T DEBATE SO LONG ABOUT THIS UPDATE.
>> CAN THEY EXTEND IT OR DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD IF IT TAKES LONGER?
>> I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE MADE AN EXCEPTION TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME. RIGHT NOW.
>> WE COULD GO AS FAR AS TWO YEARS.
>> THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT 18 MONTHS.
>> IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC PART.
>> DURING THE WET SEASON OF THE YEAR.
>> LET'S SAY THAT WE'LL GIVE YOU TWO.
>> DO YOU SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT?
>> IT SAYS THE DECISION OF THE BOARD GRANTING A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION SHALL BE VOID ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL, UNLESS THE ZONING CERTIFICATE AND/OR BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED AND THE USE IS ESTABLISHED OR CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF THE DECISION.
THEN THE NEXT SECTION SAYS, ANY MODIFICATION, ENLARGEMENT, OR EXTENSION OF A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION SHALL BE UNDERTAKEN ONLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN THE SAME MANNER AS FOR AN ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
>> WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE THEM A LONGER, BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE.
>> THERE WAS ANOTHER SITUATION THAT WE DID [OVERLAPPING]
>> MIDDLE TRACTION FACILITIES, WE'VE DONE IT UP TO 18 MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE TIME IT TAKES FOR AN MDE PERMIT.
>> THAT'S SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THE CODE AS A NUMBER?
>> NO. WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO THAT THEN.
WE SHOULD LIMIT IT TO THE YEAR, AND IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO EXTEND IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
>> WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
EVEN THOUGH WE FILED A PAPERWORK FOR A SEPTIC EVALUATION, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE FACT THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE] TRAILERS [OVERLAPPING]
>> WOULD THERE BE A RECENT MAP THAT WE [NOISE]?
>> EXCUSE ME. YOU COULD BASICALLY GET A ZONING CERTIFICATE FOR EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THE BUILDING.
I DON'T SEE WHY THAT COULDN'T CONSTITUTE A USE PERMIT BEING ISSUED WITHIN THE YEAR'S TIME.
THAT'S A SECONDARY TO WHY YOU WORK ON WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
>> JUST THINKING IT THROUGH, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS FOR A RURAL SPECIAL EVENT AND IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT STRUCTURE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE REST OF IT.
>> I DON'T THINK TYING IT TO THE BUILDING, [INAUDIBLE] I THINK YOU TIE IT TO THE USER AS LONG AS THEY'RE THE PROPERTY.
[01:00:04]
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT TAKES LONGER.
>> THEN WE DON'T NEED TO EXTEND IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO FINALIZE YOUR STATEMENT WITH A YEAR.
>> I'M GOING TO SECOND THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> MOTION IS PASSED. ONTO THE NEXT.
WHO WANTS TO DO THE NEXT ONE? YOU WANT TO DO THE NEXT ONE?
ONE MORE TIME TO SIT THERE AT THAT CHAIR.
>> HI, HO. WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK TO, YES, WE ALREADY DID THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A WRITTEN APPLICATION, HAS BEEN SUBMITTED ON 403 AND 410.
THE POSTING HAS BEEN DONE FOR THAT. WHAT'S EXHIBIT NUMBER?
THE ADVERTISED HEARING IS BEING HELD TONIGHT, SO HERE WE ARE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT IT WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL OR ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.
LET YOU GUYS HELP ME WITH THAT ONE.
FOR THE SAME REASON WE SAID BEFORE.
THAT DOESN'T WORK. THE SAME REASON WOULD BE, THAT, I SAID A QUARTER MILE OFF THE ROAD.
>> BUT DO WE WANT TO HEAR THE TESTIMONY?
>> NO, HE ALREADY DID. HE GAVE THE TESTIMONY ABOUT IT.
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
>> NO, IT'S THE SAME TESTIMONY, IT'S FOR BOTH.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND DO THE SAME.
>> AGAIN, IT'S A QUARTER MILE OFF THE ROAD.
>> ONE OF TWO. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT GOING ON.
IT WILL NOT BE INJURIOUS OR TO THE PEACEFUL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE'VE ALSO DECIDED, WITH EXHIBIT 5 IN THEIR RESPONSE, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUE OVER THE LAST 6.5, SEVEN YEARS, AND THEIR FUTURE PLANS TO IMPROVE IT, WHICH WILL, AGAIN, MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY VALUE.
I DIDN'T DISCLOSE THAT ONE IN THE PREVIOUS ONES.
>> YOU CAN SAY THEY PROBABLY HAVE RACE PROPERTY VALUE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. IT WILL NOT IMPEDE THE NORMAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY FOR USES IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
CLEARLY, THEY SIT IN A 628 ACRE FARM, WHICH IS PROTECTED AROUND THEM AND AGRICULTURAL FARMLAND, THEIRS IS UNIQUE.
THERE IS REALLY NOTHING MORE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, AND THAT AGAIN, IS EXHIBIT 5-22.
THERE ARE NO EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HELPING THEM AT THEIR LOCATION SO THEY WON'T BE PUTTING ANY BURDEN ON THOSE AS INDICATED IN THEIR RESPONSE ON 5-22 AS WELL.
>> THAT'S FINE. WE COVERED IT.
>> IT CONFORMS IN ALL OTHER ASPECTS TO THE CHAPTER, AND ESPECIALLY TO THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT TO WHICH IT'S LOCATED.
THEIR GOAL IS THE RESTORATION, REHABILITATION, AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS, SPECIFICALLY THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN SPECIAL AND HISTORICAL IN NATURE.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I THINK THAT THAT'S FIVE, AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE WATER CRITICAL AREAS, SO WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE.
>> BUT THIS MOTION IS TO CHANGE IT FROM AN EVENT VENUE TO A BED AND BREAKFAST.
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGING IT.
IT'S JUST ADDING THE BED AND BREAKFAST TO THE SPECIAL.
>> GO AHEAD. [LAUGHTER] YOU'VE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR A WHILE.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASTLE HALL 1781.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO SHORTEN THIS THIS TIME.
>> I'M GOING TO START HERE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASTLE HALL'S BED AND BREAKFAST, AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFIED.
>> THAT WAY, I DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL FOUR OF THOSE AGAIN.
>> MOTION IS PASSED. CONGRATULATIONS.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. [LAUGHTER] GOOD LUCK.
>> ABSOLUTELY. ANYTHING I CAN DO.
>> WE HAVE SOME MORE BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF.
AS YOU GUYS LEAVE, WE HAVE SOME VOTING AND THINGS TO DO, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO VISIT AND STAY.
>> ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THE LIQUOR BOARD, I'LL GET YOU SOME COMMENTS TO UPDATE THAT SITE.
>> IS IT OKAY IF I GO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT [INAUDIBLE] THE APPLICATION.
[01:05:05]
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE AND ALL.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
[Approval of 10/17/2023 Minutes]
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR THE MINUTES GOOD?>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES?
>> NOW, WHICH MINUTES ARE WE APPROVING? THE OCTOBER MINUTES?
>> THESE ARE THE OCTOBER MINUTES.
>> WHICH ARE FINALIZED HERE TODAY.
>> THERE YOU GO. THOSE ARE APPROVED.
>> NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR VOTE FOR OUR NEW OFFICERS.
[Election of Officers]
[LAUGHTER]>> WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE BEN BUTLER FOR CHAIR?
>> I SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> WELCOME ABOARD. THE HAT IS TRANSFERRED.
NOW, WE HAVE TO VOTE THE VICE CHAIR.
>> I HAVE KANE HARDY FOR VICE CHAIR.
NOW, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 7:06.
[Adjournment]
MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN AT 7:06? I SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR?>> THANK YOU GUYS. TURNING OFF MY MIC.
>> YES. HOLD UP.
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