[Call to Order: Invocation – Paster Dan Gedman, Global Methodist Church of Denton; Pledge of]
[Special Recognition of Rich and Loretta Warfield, Past Caroline Review Publishers]
[Special Recognition of Debby Bennet, Executive Director, Caroline County Public Library]
[Kathryn Dilley, Executive Director, Mid Shore Behavioral Health, Inc]
[Jamie Beechey, Director, Caroline County Department of Recreation & Parks]
[Crystal Dadds, Director, Caroline County Planning & Codes Department]
[Discussion on Caroline County Code]
[Kim Raeder, Board Administrator, Police Accountability Board (PAB)]
[Consent Agenda]
[County Administrator’s Report]
[County Commissioners Open Discussion Period]
[Closed Session: To consult with Counsel to Obtain Legal Authority: 2014 Md. Code, State Government 3-305(b)(7)]
[19:45:17]
[19:45:18]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.[19:45:19]
WE HAVE A PRETTY RIGOROUS AGENDA HERE THIS MORNING.[19:45:26]
I WILL NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER BREEDING IS ON A ZOOM CALL HERE THIS MORNING THAT WE FELT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO BE ON.[19:45:35]
HE'S JUST DOWN THE HALL.[19:45:36]
SO HE WILL BE JOINING US PROBABLY SOMEWHERE LATER ON.[19:45:41]
SO FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE INVOCATION.[19:45:46]
PASTOR DAN GEDMAN FROM THE GLOBAL METHODIST CHURCH OF DENTON.[19:45:50]
THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.[19:45:52]
IF YOU COULD RISE. LET US PRAY.[19:45:56]
ALMIGHTY AND MOST GRACIOUS GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US TO ACCOMPLISH THE WORK YOU HAVE LAID BEFORE US.[19:46:03]
WE PRAY FOR YOUR BLESSINGS UPON OUR COMMISSIONERS.[19:46:05]
THIS DAY, O LORD, IS A DELIBERATE AND DISCUSS AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON YOUR WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE THAT WE KNOW YOU WILL GRANT THEM THIS DAY, STRENGTHEN THEM AND ALL THAT.[19:46:14]
THEY DO. THIS WE PRAY IN JESUS NAME, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN.[19:46:33]
THANK YOU PASTOR.[19:46:39]
OKAY. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SPECIAL RECOGNITIONS HERE THIS MORNING FOR SOME SPECIAL PEOPLE.[19:46:46]
SO THE FIRST ONE IS RECOGNITION OF RICH AND LORETTA WARFIELD FOR THEIR PAST.[19:46:54]
CAROLINE COUNTY REVIEW.[19:46:56]
PUBLISHERS OF THE CAROLINE REVIEW.[19:47:01]
CERTAINLY HAVE PROVIDED A LOT OF INFORMATION TO A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS.[19:47:06]
I WAS LOOKING AT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION, AND OUR CRACK RESEARCH STAFF HERE WAS ABLE TO FIND THE ORIGINAL[19:47:15]
RESOLUTION ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 1980.[19:47:19]
I GUESS THAT'S WHEN IT STARTED.[19:47:21]
RIGHT. AND IT IS SIGNED BY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HARVEY FLEETWOOD, CHARLES T DEAN SENIOR, AND THOMAS EVELAND.[19:47:28]
SO I REMEMBER THOSE THREE GUYS.[19:47:31]
AND 1980, WE WERE YOUNGER AND YOU KNOW, PROBABLY GETTING INTO TROUBLE, MORE[19:47:40]
SPRY THAN WE THAN WE CERTAINLY ARE TODAY.[19:47:43]
SO YEAH, I, I WANT TO JUST, YOU KNOW, TELL YOU THAT THE CAROLINE REVIEW HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS[19:47:53]
BENEFIT TO THIS COUNTY.[19:47:54]
I NEVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WALK INTO A PLACE AND SEE IT, I GRAB IT RIGHT AWAY AND I USUALLY CARRY IT IN MY CAR, AND THEN I SIT DOWN AND TAKE ALL THE EVENTS AND PUT THEM ON MY[19:48:04]
CALENDAR. SO, DEBBIE, PRESSURE'S ON.[19:48:09]
KEEP IT UP. BUT SO I'LL READ THE CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION, AND WE WILL[19:48:19]
PRESENT THIS TO YOU.[19:48:20]
AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE A PICTURE.[19:48:23]
YOU WANT TO GET PICTURES? YEAH.[19:48:24]
WHY DON'T YOU COME UP TO THE FRONT TABLE UP HERE?[19:48:34]
SO. I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I'LL READ THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.[19:48:41]
SO THIS WAS WHEREAS THE INAUGURAL NOVEMBER 1980 ISSUE OF THE CAROLINE REVIEW, A MONTHLY MAGAZINE OF HAPPENINGS OF INTEREST IN CAROLINE COUNTY,[19:48:51]
HAS BEEN RECEIVED WITH ENTHUSIASM BY THE CITIZENS, MERCHANTS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY.[19:48:57]
AND WHEREAS, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY WHO SHARE THEIR ENTHUSIASM ARE PARTICULARLY GRATIFIED TO SEE THE FEATURED SEE[19:49:06]
FEATURED THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ROUND UP.[19:49:09]
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND, THAT ADELAIDE C WARFIELD, PUBLISHER AND ALL MEMBERS OF HER STAFF BE CONGRATULATED[19:49:19]
ON THEIR COMMENDABLE EFFORTS TO ENCOURAGE A WELL INFORMED CITIZENRY AND TO FOSTER CIVIC PRIDE AND PARTICIPATION.[19:49:26]
ADOPTED NOVEMBER 18TH, 1980.[19:49:28]
SIGNED BY THOSE THREE GENTLEMEN.[19:49:31]
THAT'S PRETTY COOL. WOW.[19:49:32]
YEAH, YEAH. SO TODAY WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION PRESENTED TO LORETTA AND RICH WARFIELD IN RECOGNITION OF[19:49:42]
YOUR OUTSTANDING DEDICATION AND SERVICE TO CAROLINE COUNTY.[19:49:45]
WITH HEARTFELT GRATITUDE, THE COUNTY CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HONORED LORETTA AND RICH WARFIELD FOR THEIR UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO DELIVERING VITAL NEWS AND INFORMATION TO[19:49:54]
OUR COMMUNITY. FOR OVER THREE DECADES, YOU HAVE BEEN THE GUIDING FORCE BEHIND THE CAROLINE REVIEW, ENSURING THAT OUR CITIZENS REMAIN INFORMED AND[19:50:04]
CONNECTED. FROM ITS INCEPTION IN 1980 BY RICH'S MOTHER, ADELAIDE WARFIELD, TO YOUR STEADFAST STEWARDSHIP SINCE 1991, THE CAROLINE REVIEW HAS[19:50:14]
BEEN A BEACON OF KNOWLEDGE AND INSIGHT.[19:50:16]
THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, YOU HAVE TOILED TIRELESSLY, TRAVELED, TRAVERSED OUR COUNTY, DELIVERING NEWS AND INFORMATION TO EVERY CORNER, EVEN AMIDST THE CHALLENGES OF RAISING A[19:50:25]
FAMILY AND NAVIGATING THROUGH TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES.[19:50:29]
YOUR DEDICATION AND PERSEVERANCE HAVE TRULY BEEN EXEMPLARY AS YOU EMBARK ON THIS NEW CHAPTER OF RETIREMENT, KNOW THAT YOUR LEGACY OF PROVIDING CAROLINE COUNTY'S INFORMATION[19:50:39]
MAGAZINE WILL ENDURE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.[19:50:41]
YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE NOT ONLY SHAPED OUR COMMUNITY, BUT HAVE ALSO ENRICHED THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS INDIVIDUALS.[19:50:48]
ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, WE EXTEND OUR DEEPEST APPRECIATION FOR YOUR INVALUABLE SERVICE AND WISH YOU BOTH A JOYOUS AND FULFILLING RETIREMENT.[19:50:57]
PRESENTED BY THE COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND.[19:51:01]
ON THIS, THE 11TH DAY OF JUNE IN THE YEAR 2024, SIGNED BY JAY TRAVIS, BREEDING PRESIDENT, LARRY PORTER, VICE PRESIDENT, AND ANNE FRANKLIN, BARTZ, THE[19:51:11]
THIRD COMMISSIONER.[19:51:13]
THANK YOU SO MUCH. MAYBE YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEBODY WILL READ THIS AND SAY, WHO ARE THOSE?[19:51:18]
WHO WERE THOSE GUYS? WHERE WHERE ARE THEY NOW?[19:51:20]
BUT YOU KNOW IT REALLY HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUS[19:51:30]
SERVICE THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY.[19:51:32]
RICH, HAVING KNOWN YOUR MOM AND DAD, THEY WERE WONDERFUL PEOPLE, KNEW YOUR DAD VERY WELL.[19:51:38]
AND YOU KNOW, HE WAS A TOWN COMMISSIONER I THINK.[19:51:42]
YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. MAYOR.[19:51:44]
YEAH. AND YEAH.[19:51:47]
AND YOUR MOM WAS A WONDERFUL LADY.[19:51:49]
SO FRANK, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR.[19:51:54]
ALL THE YEARS FOR CAROLINE COUNTY.[19:51:55]
I'VE BEEN A BIG ADVOCATE OF YOURS.[19:51:58]
LIKE, LARRY'S PRETTY MUCH SAID IT ALL.[19:52:00]
YOU KNOW, YOU GO IN SOMEWHERE, YOU PICK IT UP, YOU READ IT, AND MY WIFE, SHE SHE HAS THEM LAYING ALL OVER THE HOUSE.[19:52:06]
SO I SEE RICH, YOU GOT YOUR RETIREMENT SHIRT ON WITH THE FLOWERS.[19:52:14]
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR RETIREMENT.[19:52:16]
YOU GUYS HAVE DONE GREAT FOR THE COUNTY AND DONE SO MUCH FOR THE CITIZENS AS WELL.[19:52:22]
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.[19:52:23]
I'M HOPING TO SHAVE A COUPLE OF STROKES OFF MY GAME.[19:52:26]
WELL, YEAH. ABOUT THAT.[19:52:29]
YEAH, I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT MY SCORE THE OTHER DAY, BUT I WON'T DO PUBLICLY.[19:52:33]
BUT SO, YOU KNOW THE CAROLINE REVIEW MAY NOT HAVE SURVIVED COVID IF IT NOT NOT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS FOR YOU IN PARTICULAR AND[19:52:43]
FOR DEBBIE. THAT WAS TOUGH TIMES FOR EVERYBODY, WASN'T IT?[19:52:47]
RIGHT. AND IT WAS WE WE DROPPED FROM 9000 CIRCULATION DOWN TO 6500 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE COULD DISTRIBUTE THEM.[19:52:56]
RIGHT. SO MANY STORES CLOSED.[19:52:59]
BUT WE'RE BACK UP TO WHAT YOU DO IN JUNE.[19:53:02]
DEBBIE 8200.[19:53:04]
SO FRANK'S GOT 200 OF THEM IN HIS HOUSE SOMEWHERE THERE, PROBABLY IN A BOX SOMEWHERE.[19:53:10]
YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THE PUZZLE ONE TIME.[19:53:15]
SO. WELL, YEAH.[19:53:17]
WELL, I YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT THAT MONEY GOT PLACES THAT IT[19:53:27]
NEEDED TO GO AND SEE THAT THERE WEREN'T YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF STRINGS ATTACHED AND RED TAPE ATTACHED.[19:53:35]
WE JUST WANTED TO GET THE MONEY TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED IT, TO THE PEOPLE WHO WHO WERE RELYING ON IT.[19:53:40]
AND THANKS TO DEBBIE.[19:53:42]
DEBBIE DID A TREMENDOUS JOB WITH THAT, WITH THAT PROGRAM.[19:53:45]
AND I TODAY, YOU KNOW, STILL WILL HAVE PEOPLE COME SAY THANK YOU, BECAUSE IF YOU HADN'T DONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IT.[19:53:53]
SO IT'S ONE OF THE THE FEW TIMES I THINK THAT WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY DIRECTLY IMPACT GIVING MONEY TO PEOPLE INSTEAD OF TAKING MONEY FROM PEOPLE.[19:54:03]
SO AND I THINK IT WAS IT WAS A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT.[19:54:08]
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GUYS.[19:54:10]
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TO THE PUBLIC AND LET'S GO HOS LET'S GO.[19:54:17]
I YEAH, I'M STAYING OFF OF YOU KNOW, I'M MY WIFE IS TAKING FACEBOOK AWAY FROM ME AND SAID, YOU BET THAT'S IT.[19:54:24]
YOU'VE BEEN SO QUIET.[19:54:26]
I KNOW I'M JUST WATCHING.[19:54:28]
AND SO ANGEL HERNANDEZ.[19:54:30]
BUT THEY'VE BEEN WINNING AND THE WARRIORS ARE WINNING, SO.[19:54:33]
YEAH, WELL, NOTHING TO SAY.[19:54:34]
SO I MEAN BUT BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.[19:54:40]
SO WE WILL WE HAVE A LITTLE PARTING GIFT HERE FOR YOU AND ATTACHED TO THE BAG OR TO PINS WITH THE,[19:54:49]
WITH THE COUNTY SEAL.[19:54:51]
SO WE HOPE YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, WEAR THOSE AND WEAR THEM.[19:54:55]
WEAR THEM WELL, SO YOU'VE CERTAINLY DESERVED THEM.[19:54:57]
SO WE'LL GET A PICTURE UP FRONT.[19:55:00]
OKAY.[19:55:20]
IF YOU WANT TO USE IT. OH.[19:55:23]
THANK YOU. IT SMILES.[19:55:33]
OKAY. THANK YOU.[19:55:37]
WE'VE GOT ONE MORE. THE FORCE IS.[19:55:48]
THANK YOU. YEAH.[19:56:00]
YEAH. WHAT'S YOUR.[19:56:10]
OH MY GOSH.[19:56:21]
JUST AN INDICATION THAT'S.[19:56:31]
THE THE NEXT RECOGNITION IS FOR OUR OWN DEBBIE BENNETT[19:56:41]
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY.[19:56:44]
AND COMMISSIONER BARTZ, I'M GOING TO LET YOU DO THE HONORS ON THIS ONE.[19:56:48]
ALL RIGHT? COME ON UP, DEB.[19:56:52]
YOU'VE BEEN UP HERE IN THAT SEAT BEFORE, BUT.[19:56:56]
MORNING, DEBBIE. GOOD MORNING.[19:56:59]
IN CELEBRATION OF YOUR REMARKABLE DEDICATION AND SERVICE TO CAROLINE COUNTY.[19:57:04]
THE CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS EXTEND OUR DEEPEST GRATITUDE TO DEBBIE BENNETT FOR HER UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO ENRICHING THE LIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS[19:57:14]
THROUGH HER EXEMPLARY SERVICE IN THE CAROLINE COUNTY LIBRARY SYSTEM FOR 41 YEARS.[19:57:19]
THROUGHOUT YOUR TENURE, YOU HAVE NOT ONLY BEEN A GUARDIAN OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT ALSO A BEACON OF INSPIRATION AND ACTIVE ADVOCACY BEYOND THE LIBRARY WALLS, YOU HAVE BEEN A TIMELESS[19:57:27]
CHAMPION FOR VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE DENTON ROTARY AND THE ARTS COUNCIL.[19:57:32]
YOUR INVOLVEMENT HAS LEFT AN INEVITABLE MARK, ENHANCING THE CULTURAL AND SOCIAL FABRIC OF OUR COUNTY.[19:57:37]
YOUR DEDICATION TO SECURING GRANTS, SPEARHEADING PROJECTS, AND ADVOCATING FOR THE NEEDS FOR OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN ENSURING ACCESS TO RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES[19:57:46]
FOR ALL. YOUR EFFORTS HAVE TOUCHED THE LIVES OF YOUNG AND OLD ALIKE, EMPOWERING INDIVIDUALS AND FOSTERING A SENSE OF BELONGING.[19:57:54]
AS YOU REFLECT ON YOUR REMARKABLE TENURE, KNOW THAT YOUR LEGACY AS A COMPASSIONATE ADVOCATE AND DEDICATED LIBRARIAN WILL CONTINUE TO INSPIRE GENERATIONS TO COME.[19:58:04]
YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE BEEN INVALUABLE AND YOUR PRESENCE WILL BE DEEPLY MISSED.[19:58:09]
PRESENTED WITH A HEARTFELT APPRECIATION BY THE COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY THIS 11TH DAY OF JUNE IN THE YEAR OF 2024, SIGNED BY JAY TRAVIS, BREEDING[19:58:19]
PRESIDENT, LARRY PORTER, VICE PRESIDENT, AND MYSELF, NORMAN FRANKLIN, BARTZ, THE THIRD COMMISSIONER.[19:58:25]
THANK YOU, DEBBIE, FOR ALL YOUR 41 YEARS OF DEDICATION.[19:58:28]
I'M SURE IT GOES BEYOND THAT.[19:58:31]
AND IT WILL LIVE ON FOR EVEN LONGER.[19:58:34]
SO IT'S WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES.[19:58:38]
WE WERE AT THE GRAND OPENING OF REGRAND OPENING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND IT'S.[19:58:43]
IT WAS JUST A GREAT.[19:58:45]
I THINK I WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT CONTRIBUTE TO YOU AS WELL.[19:58:49]
ALL YOUR HARD WORK, ALL YOUR STAFF'S HARD WORK THAT YOU PUT IN.[19:58:54]
YOU CAN TELL THAT YOU WERE LOVED THERE THAT DAY.[19:58:56]
SO JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.[19:59:00]
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS 41 YEARS, DOES IT?[19:59:02]
I MEAN, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN YOU TOOK OVER FROM MY GOOD FRIEND GEORGE, AND THAT WAS A NEW, NEW START FOR YOU.[19:59:08]
AND YEAH, I JUST WANT TO REAFFIRM WHAT COMMISSIONER BART SAID.[19:59:14]
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS TREMENDOUS RUN FOR THE LIBRARY.[19:59:21]
I THINK IT'S THE LIBRARY HAS HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, OPERATES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THEY[19:59:31]
MAKE DECISIONS.[19:59:32]
AND I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THOSE DECISIONS OVER THE YEARS HAVE BEEN VERY WISE ONES.[19:59:37]
AND I COMMEND YOUR BOARD, CURRENT BOARD PAST BOARDS AND YOU KNOW, KNOW THE WORK THAT GOES IN HAVING SERVED ON THAT BOARD AT ONE AT[19:59:46]
ONE POINT. SO CONGRATULATIONS.[19:59:51]
THANK YOU FOR FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.[19:59:53]
THE LIBRARY HAS CERTAINLY CHANGED OVER THE LAST 41 YEARS.[19:59:58]
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING INTO, I THINK, NEW TIMES.[20:00:01]
AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH THE WAY THE LIBRARY HAS ADJUSTED ITS SERVICES TO, TO PEOPLE.[20:00:11]
BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK, MY COMPANY WAS BUILDING BUILDINGS FOR BUSINESSES COMING HERE.[20:00:20]
I WAS ALWAYS AMAZED AT ONE OF THE PLACES THEY WANTED TO GO WAS THE LIBRARY.[20:00:25]
AND THEY WE WOULD BRING THEM TO THE LIBRARY.[20:00:27]
AND THEY KNEW WHEN EVEN WHEN A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE AROUND DIDN'T, THAT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT INSTITUTION FOR THIS COUNTY.[20:00:33]
IT WAS A PLACE THAT THEIR CHILDREN COULD COME AND WORK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DO RESEARCH AND NEVER HESITATED FOR A MINUTE TO TAKE THEM TO THE LIBRARY AND SHOW THEM[20:00:43]
AROUND. AND THEY NEVER HESITATED TO BE VERY POSITIVE AND HAVE VERY POSITIVE COMMENTS WHEN THEY LEFT.[20:00:49]
SO I KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, REINS ARE BEING TURNED OVER.[20:00:54]
JONAH GOT YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING THIS ACT.[20:00:59]
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A GOOD STAFF AND A AND A VERY GOOD BOARD, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.[20:01:12]
WE HAVE A GIFT BASKET FOR YOU, DEBBIE.[20:01:16]
I'LL BRING. PLENTY OF BIRDS, I SEE.[20:01:26]
YES, I WILL BE DOING MORE BIRDING.[20:01:28]
YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.[20:01:30]
HERE, HERE, HERE.[20:01:36]
DID YOU GET RECOGNITION?[20:01:38]
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM, BUT I HAVE MY MY CURRENT BOARD PRESIDENT, BART.[20:01:43]
OKAY. AND MY FORMER BOARD PRESIDENT, CAROL HERE, AND JONAH AND MOST OF MY MANAGERS.[20:01:52]
WOULD YOU ALL COME UP?[20:01:56]
BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. IT TAKES A TEAM.[20:01:58]
I CAN JUST LINE UP BACK HERE.[20:02:00]
OKAY. OH, THEY SAID TO US.[20:02:13]
WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.[20:02:24]
SO THERE YOU GO, DEBBIE.[20:02:27]
GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.[20:02:29]
MAYBE HAVE TWO ROWS OR.[20:02:31]
YEP, YOU CAN I BLOCK.[20:02:34]
I'M USUALLY THE SHORTEST PERSON IN THE GROUP GOT DOWN.[20:02:39]
SO. JEN, JUST STAND UP ON THE CHAIR.[20:02:45]
YEAH OKAY.[20:02:47]
ALL RIGHT. BIG SMILES.[20:02:49]
OH, GREAT.[20:02:50]
THAT IS PERFECT.[20:02:52]
THANK YOU. DO THIS AGAIN AND SQUISH YOU IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS SIDE.[20:02:58]
JUST KIDDING. OBVIOUSLY NOT.[20:03:01]
JONAH, DO YOU WANT TO DROP YOUR MASK OR DO YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING?[20:03:04]
OKAY, OKAY.[20:03:07]
THAT'S OKAY.[20:03:08]
THANK YOU. THANK.[20:03:18]
ANYMORE. HOEGER.[20:03:27]
I'LL SEE YOU ALL LATER.[20:03:31]
GOOD MORNING.[20:03:40]
I WILL MENTION BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE NORMALLY WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IN THE BEGINNING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THAT[20:03:50]
TIME FOR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CODE.[20:03:52]
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE GIVE SOME PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC MORE TIME TO SPEAK ON THAT MATTER IF IF[20:04:01]
YOU IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW THAT HAS A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT ANY OTHER ISSUE, COME FORWARD.[20:04:09]
I'M SORRY, MR. PORTER, I CAN'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE OF ALL THE BACKGROUND NOISE.[20:04:13]
WE NORMALLY HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IN THE IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF ON THAT UNTIL WE TALK ABOUT THE CODE SECTION ON THE AGENDA, SO[20:04:22]
THAT MORE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK.[20:04:25]
BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS IN A PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW, WE'LL SET ASIDE SOME TIME.[20:04:36]
DID YOU HEAR THAT? ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS KATIE DILLY.[20:04:41]
KATE OR CATHERINE?[20:04:43]
CATHERINE? KATIE. KATIE.[20:04:44]
I CALL YOU KATIE. WHO IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ANNUAL MID-SHORE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH?[20:04:51]
PRESENTATION IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD.[20:04:57]
GOOD MORNING. MORNING.[20:05:01]
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.[20:05:03]
MY NAME IS KATIE DILLY, AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT MID-SHORE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.[20:05:09]
AND WITH ME THIS MORNING IS ANNE SIMPERS.[20:05:12]
AND DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF?[20:05:14]
I AM, OBVIOUSLY, I'M ANNE SIMPERS.[20:05:18]
CAROLINE COUNTY IS THE COUNTY THAT I COVER IS THE BC AT MID-SHORE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.[20:05:23]
SO WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THIS MORNING TO GATHER WITH YOU ALL JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME ANNUAL HIGHLIGHTS AND UPDATES FROM OUR[20:05:32]
ORGANIZATION. IN ADDITION, WE'RE HOPEFUL TO GET OUR LETTER OF AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE AS YOUR CORE SERVICE AGENCY[20:05:42]
IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR.[20:05:45]
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR ENDORSEMENT IN ADVANCE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE OTHER MATTER FOR THE THE LOCAL DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE COUNCIL TODAY, OR IF WE NEED TO[20:05:55]
COME BACK FOR THAT.[20:06:00]
WE CAN IF YOU WANT.[20:06:01]
DO YOU WANT TO DO IT AFTER THE PRESENTATION?[20:06:03]
YES. OKAY.[20:06:06]
SO TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO COME AND PRESENT DURING THE MONTH OF MAY, BUT WE KNOW CALENDARS CAN BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING.[20:06:12]
MAY IS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS MONTH, SO.[20:06:14]
AND IT'S BEEN CELEBRATED AND RECOGNIZED IN THAT FASHION SINCE 1949.[20:06:20]
BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE THIS MORNING, JUST WANTED TO EXTEND OUR GRATITUDE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AS YOUR CORE SERVICE AGENCY.[20:06:28]
MATURE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HAS BEEN INCORPORATED SINCE 1992.[20:06:32]
WE ACTUALLY CELEBRATED OUR ANNIVERSARY THIS PAST WEEKEND ON THE EIGHTH.[20:06:38]
SO WE'VE BEEN SERVING THE COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND HAVE CONTINUED TO EXPAND OUR REACH AND CONNECTION WITH VARIOUS PROVIDER[20:06:48]
GROUPS IN THE AREA.[20:06:51]
NOT TO FORGET THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF COLLABORATIVE WORK, MOST RECENTLY SINCE 2020 WITH ALL FIVE OF OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENTS HERE IN THE[20:07:01]
MID-SHORE REGION.WE HAVE INCORPORATED A GROUP CALLED THE MID-SHORE PLANNING COLLABORATIVE.
SO MR. BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, ALONG WITH EACH OF THE FIVE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, WE DO ALL OF OUR ANNUAL PLANNING AND STRATEGIC PLANNING TO ADDRESS THE MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, COLLECTIVELY AS A PARTNERSHIP.
WE ALSO WORK COLLECTIVELY THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR MEETING REGULARLY TO REVIEW DATA, ANY TRENDS OR ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL IN AN EFFORT TO EVENTUALLY BECOME A MORE INTEGRATED STRUCTURE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
I KNOW WE HAVE MENTIONED THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS WHEN WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, BUT WE ARE THE HOST OF THE CONTRACTS FOR ALL OF THE EASTERN SHORE CRISIS RESPONSE ACTIVITIES.
MOST RECENTLY, THERE'S BEEN A SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT IN THE STATE WHERE A COUPLE OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED THROUGH OUR EASTERN SHORE CRISIS RESPONSE ARE MOVING INTO A FEE FOR SERVICE STRUCTURE.
THIS IS REALLY THE TREND WITH A LOT OF SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED HERE IN MARYLAND.
TEAMS ARE OFFICIALLY MOVING INTO FEE FOR SERVICE.
THE REGULATIONS WERE MADE LIVE ON THE REGISTRY ON MAY 27TH.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AFFILIATED SANTÉ GROUP, THE VENDOR OF THOSE SERVICES, VERY CLOSELY, TO ANTICIPATE THE IMPACT OF WHAT A FEE FOR SERVICE STRUCTURE WILL DO.
ESSENTIALLY, IT'S ONLY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BEING SERVED IN THE PUBLIC BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM.
SO INDIVIDUALS THAT RECEIVE MEDICAID BENEFITS WILL HAVE THE STATE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT.
THOSE OF US WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE OR UNINSURED WILL BE COVERED AS OTHER OR UNINSURED INDIVIDUALS.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS AROUND, OH, IF MOBILE CRISIS IS TURNING INTO FEE FOR SERVICE, IS THAT SOMETHING SOMEONE WOULD THEN GET A BILL FOR AFTER HAVING A CRISIS? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NO.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR PUBLICLY THIS MORNING.
MOBILE CRISIS, IN ADDITION TO CRISIS STABILIZATION CENTERS ARE THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT TRANSITION.
WE DO NOT HAVE CURRENTLY A CRISIS STABILIZATION CENTER HERE IN THE MID SHORE.
I ANTICIPATE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THAT MIGHT CHANGE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME PROVIDERS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
[20:10:01]
WE RECEIVED THE FIRST INSTALLMENT OF THAT IN 2018.AND ANNE ACTUALLY MANAGES SEVERAL OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE SEWER GRANT.
THAT'S HOW ANNE ACTUALLY BECAME PART OF OUR TEAM AT MID SHORES THROUGH THAT FUNDING.
SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
AND I KNOW SHE'S GOING TO TOUCH ON SOME CAROLINE SPECIFIC SERVICES THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH THAT.
WE HAVE CONTINUED TO ADVOCATE FOR THOSE FUNDS.
THAT WE'VE REQUESTED TO EXPAND INTO TALBOT COUNTY WITH THIS, THIS INSTALLMENT OF THE AWARD.
WE ALSO ARE EXPANDING OUR SUPPORT TO RECOVERY HOUSES IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT MOVEMENT AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE MODEL IS REALLY TAKING OFF, AND WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
AND LASTLY, WE HAVE A HARM REDUCTION COORDINATOR FOR THE MID SHORE THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THAT GRANT.
AND SHE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN OUT DOING AMAZING WORK RECENTLY.
WE HAVE HER DOING SOME SUICIDE PREVENTION WORK AS WELL.
TO HELP COMBAT SUICIDE AND JUST HAVE MORE AWARENESS AND SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT DO HAVE FIREARMS IN THE HOME TO KEEP THEM SAFELY SECURED. SO THAT'S BEEN AN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL NEW, NEW INITIATIVE THIS YEAR RELATED TO SUICIDE PREVENTION.
WITH DEVELOPING OUR MID SHORE SUICIDE COALITION.
WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR LOWER SHORE PARTNERS WHO'VE HAD A VERY ROBUST AND ESTABLISHED SUICIDE COALITION AND SURVIVORS GROUP, TO KIND OF GIVE US SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ON HOW TO REALLY GET THAT OFF THE GROUND HERE IN THE REGION.
WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MORE STRONGER COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP THAT'S NOT JUST INDIVIDUALS COMING TOGETHER AFTER AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENS THAT WE'RE SORT OF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT AS WELL AS BE MORE ESTABLISHED.
SO THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHO TO REACH INTO.
ULTIMATELY, WE DO HOPE TO HAVE A SURVIVORS GROUP ESTABLISHED AS WELL.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE IN THE FORMATIVE STAGES WITH, WITH THAT PLANNING.
WE'VE BEEN HOSTING OUR GOING PURPLE TOGETHER EVENT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
IN THE LOCATION AGAIN IS IN THE PRESTON PARK.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT HERE IN CAROLINE.
COUPLE OTHER HIGHLIGHTS RELATED TO CHANNEL MARKER.
THEY DID ACQUIRE A PROPERTY HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY THIS PAST YEAR.
TO EXPAND THEIR RESIDENTIAL REHAB PROGRAM.
WE WERE AWARDED SIX ADDITIONAL BEDS FOR RESIDENTIAL REHAB.
SO WE'VE JUST GOTTEN THAT OFF THE GROUND JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
AND THAT'S AN EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL ADDITIONAL RESOURCE.
THOSE RESIDENTIAL REHAB BEDS ARE A HIGHLY NEEDED RESOURCE IN THE STATE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS NEEDING TO MOVE OUT OF OUR STATE HOSPITAL SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE REALLY, REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THAT EXPANSION.
[20:15:02]
AT ADDRESSING RACISM AND INCLUSION IN THE COMMUNITY.SO WE INTEND ON MAKING THAT AN ANNUAL CONFERENCE MOVING FORWARD.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO ORGANIZING THAT FOR THE COMING YEAR.
AND THE LAST THING I'LL TOUCH ON IS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MOST OF THE COUNTIES IN THE REGION TO LAUNCH THE NEW FUNDING THAT'S COME DOWN THROUGH THE CONSORTIUM ON COORDINATED COMMUNITY SUPPORTS TO HELP EXPAND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN OUR SCHOOL SETTING.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
SO WE WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND I WILL PASS IT OVER TO ANNE TO GIVE SOME CAROLINE SPECIFIC HIGHLIGHTS BEFORE WE CLOSE.
SO KATIE STOLE MY THUNDER ON A COUPLE THINGS.
OH, SORRY. IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY.
SO, CAROLINE COUNTY SPECIFIC KATIE MENTIONED THE STATE OPIOID RESPONSE GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED AND WHICH I WAS HIRED THROUGH BACK IN 2019. AND OUT OF THAT WERE THE SAFE STATIONS ON THE LOWER SHORE, AND WE EXPANDED TO HAVING THE CAROLINE COUNTY SAFE STATION BACK WITH RANDY BOUNDS.
SO IN MARCH WITH THAT, WITH HIM COMING TO US, WE IN MARCH OF 2021, IN COLLABORATION WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, STATE'S ATTORNEY AND AFFILIATED COUNTY, WE WERE ABLE TO COLLABORATE AND MAKE THAT COME TO FRUITION IN MARCH OF 2021, AND THAT SERVES CONSUMERS WITH OPIOID AND OR STIMULANT USE DISORDER.
AND IT IS A 24 OVER SEVEN SITE, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEEDED.
SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS A PERFECT LOCATION, ALTHOUGH IT DOES HAVE ITS BARRIERS.
AND I WILL SAY THAT IT'S WORKING BECAUSE AS OF IT STARTED IN APRIL OF 2021, AND TO DATE WE HAVE SERVED 45 INDIVIDUALS.
AND ALTHOUGH THAT MAY NOT SEEM A LOT, EVERY LIVE COUNTS.
SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS DID GET TREATMENT AND SERVICES.
AND JUST THIS YEAR ITSELF, THEY HAVE SERVED 18 PARTICIPANTS.
AND I FOUND OUT JUST THIS MORNING FROM THE PEER THAT SHE SERVED THREE PEERS JUST IN THIS LAST WEEK.
SO THAT'S THREE ADDITIONAL ADDED TO THAT.
SO THAT WAS JUST AS OF MAY 31ST.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN A FEW MORE SERVED SINCE THAT TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
LET'S SEE, KATIE MENTIONED ARE WE DO ARE THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE LOCAL DRUG AND ALCOHOL COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S BEEN A BEEN SINCE 2015.
AND WE JUST CARRY THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PART, SEND OUT THE EMAILS TAKE CARE OF JUST JUST KEEPING EVERYTHING UP TO DATE, HERDING THE CATTLE, KEEPING EVERYBODY IN LINE AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT EVERYBODY GETS THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEETINGS.
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO ATTEND GETS ADDED TO THAT DISTRIBUTION AND THE AGENDA GOES OUT, KEEPING TRACK OF EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE THERE AND BE PART OF THAT GROUP.
TO COMBAT COMBAT OVERDOSE SUBSTANCE USE.
OTHER HIGHLIGHTS. THE GO IN PURPLE.
KATIE MENTIONED THAT WE STARTED GOING PURPLE TOGETHER, WHICH IS ALL OF THE FIVE MID-SHORE COUNTIES.
AND THIS YEAR WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HOSTING IT IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
AND IT WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER THE 14TH AT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A KICK OFF WITH A WALK IN THE MORNING.
THE COLOR RUN, PURPLE COLOR RUN.
AND THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR FOR THE COLOR RUN AS WELL, SO.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE IT IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
LET'S SEE, WE I'LL MENTION MORE.
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ALSO PARTICIPATES ON THE CAROLINE COUNTY COLLECTIVE IMPACT.
INITIATIVE. AND THAT'S BEEN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
WE'RE WORKING ON SHOWING IN AUGUST OF BLUE ZONES.
BUT IN THE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN BOTH ENDS OF THE COUNTY.
THAT'S JUST PART OF THE WELLNESS COMMITTEE THAT I'M ON THAT WE'RE WORKING ON DOING THAT.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON ALL THE DETAILS FOR THAT.
BUT THAT WILL BE HELD IN AUGUST.
LET'S SEE, THAT WAS COLLECTIVE IMPACT.
[20:20:02]
HELD IN PRESTON THIS YEAR.IT WAS HELD IN PRESTON THIS YEAR.
LAST YEAR IT WAS HELD IN GREENSBORO AND JUST WE HAD OVER 250 PEOPLE AT THAT AND LOTS OF LOTS OF VENDORS THERE, WHICH WAS REALLY WONDERFUL. SO OVER 30 PARTNERS CAME TOGETHER FOR THAT.
DID YOU JUST MENTION THE PROBLEM SOLVING COURT ONE? JUST BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN BIG.
SO I AM NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
SO MITCHELL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, WE HAVE A FORENSIC MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM.
AND I KNOW REALLY THAT LEADERSHIP TEAM IS JUST SO OUTSTANDING.
YEAH. WE JUST HAD A GRADUATION.
THREE INDIVIDUALS. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO WE'RE SORT OF A UNIQUE ENTITY WITH THAT.
AND WE ALSO HOST THE SEQUENTIAL INTERCEPT MODEL AND MAPPING PROCESS EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STATE HAS RECENTLY TAKEN ON.
BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR TEN YEARS.
WE'LL BE CELEBRATING OUR 11TH YEAR OF THAT THIS COMING FALL.
SO THAT'S A MODEL THAT MAPS HOW INDIVIDUALS MOVE THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND IDENTIFIES OPPORTUNITIES TO INTERVENE AND PROVIDE PREVENTION AND SUPPORT ALONG THE WAY.
SO JUST ANOTHER INTERESTING THING AND EXCITING THING THAT WE'RE INVOLVED WITH.
SO, AND WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION JUST A FISCAL SNAPSHOT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OF THE ORGANIZATION, AS WELL AS THE DATA FOR MENTAL HEALTH INDIVIDUALS AND SUBSTANCE USE SERVICE SERVES, AND THAT THAT'S FOR INDIVIDUALS BEING SERVED THROUGH THE MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT.
SO I'M JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE COUNTY NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.
SO FOR CAROLINE COUNTY, FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND FISCAL YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 23, THERE WERE 2317 INDIVIDUALS SERVED FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND FOR SUBSTANCE USE SERVICES.
THERE WERE 1011 INDIVIDUALS SERVED IN FY 23IN THE COUNTY FOR SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT.
AND WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND JUST APPRECIATE THE TIME.
CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT? LIKE HOW DOES THAT WHOLE LIKE HOW DOES SOMEBODY KNOW ABOUT A SAFE STATION? HOW HOW DO HOW DOES ANYBODY EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND HOW DOES IT LIKE ONE HOW WOULD AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, HEY, I WANT TO GO TO A SAFE STATION.
I DON'T EVEN QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW.
SO A SAFE STATION CAN SOMETIMES BE MISUNDERSTOOD AS BEING A SAFE LOCATION FOR PEOPLE.
COULD BE FOR HOUSING OR ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT PEOPLE DO THINK IT IS.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR SUBSTANCE USE.
THERE IS MARKETING MATERIALS THAT WE DO HAVE.
IF ANYBODY NEEDS THAT MARKETING INFORMATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT OUT THERE.
THERE WERE SOME PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT WERE ALSO DONE.
SO THE SO YOUR QUESTION AS FAR AS HOW, SAY, PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, I NEED TO GO, YOU KNOW, TO A, SAFE TO YOUR SAFE STATION FOR CERTAIN REASONS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU STATED WHETHER IT BE SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO HOW WOULD ONE KNOW TO WHO WOULD THEY CONTACT OR IT WOULD BE AFFILIATED SONT IT'S A PEER LED PROGRAM AND AFFILIATED SANTÉ THROUGH THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE AFFILIATED SANTÉ SUPPLY HAS THE PEERS THAT LEAD THE SAFE STATION.
SO WHEN A CALL GOES INTO WHICH IS MOBILE CRISIS, WHEN A CALL GOES INTO MOBILE CRISIS, I NEED HELP.
HOW DO I GET HELP? THEY ARE DIRECTED TO IF IT'S FOR SUBSTANCE USE, THEY CAN GO.
OKAY, SO IF YOU SHOWED UP AT AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEN THERE'S THERE'S SORT OF A PROCESS THAT BEGINS ONCE SOMEONE HAS SHOWN UP ON THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEER IS ABLE TO BE DISPATCHED AND COME OUT AND WORK WITH YOU TO IDENTIFY THE BEST PLAN TO GET YOU INTO TREATMENT.
IDEALLY, WE WANT TO HAVE SOMEONE ENTER TREATMENT RIGHT AWAY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT.
SO I DO THINK YOU TOUCH ON A GOOD SUBJECT AROUND MARKETING.
AND HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES TO THIS.
[20:25:02]
I KNOW THAT WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY THROUGH OUR CIT COORDINATOR, WHICH IS THE CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM COORDINATOR, TO MARKET AND INFORM OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS AND OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROVIDERS AND OUR 911 DISPATCH CENTERS THAT THESE ARE RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN THE AREA THAT CAN BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE OR SOMEONE HAVING TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT.BUT MARKETING IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES, I'D SAY.
REALLY, WE RELY A LOT ON WORD OF MOUTH THROUGH THE RECOVERY COMMUNITY PROMOTING IT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE WE'VE ALSO WORKED TO TRY TO MAKE IT LOW BARRIER SO SOMEONE'S NOT INTIMIDATED IF THEY HAPPEN TO SHOW UP AND THEY MAY HAVE WARRANTS OR SOMETHING ELSE, THAT WOULD BE THE LAST PLACE I'D WANT TO GO WOULD BE THE SHERIFF.
RIGHT? EXACTLY. SO, SO REALLY WE'VE WORKED TO THE THE RECOVERY AND TREATMENT IS THE PRIORITY.
AND THE OTHER ITEMS CAN BE ADDRESSED AFTER SOMEONE GETS IN AND OUT OF TREATMENT.
SO AND IF IT'S MADE THROUGH A PHONE CALL, THEN THAT ONCE THAT PEER IS IN TOUCH WITH THAT PERSON, THEY CAN SEEK ANY SAFE LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE BOTH COMFORTABLE MEETING.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AT THE SAFE STATION.
SO WE HAVE TRIED TO MAKE IT SO THAT THAT REDUCE THAT BARRIER OF.
AS LONG AS THE PEER FEELS SAFE AND THE PARTICIPANT FEELS SAFE, WHERE DO THEY WANT TO MEET? IN A IN A MUTUAL LOCATION.
AND HE IS LIKE WE COULD ALSO INCORPORATE HIM INTO THAT IF WE NEEDED TO.
YEAH. NO, I KNOW JACOB VERY WELL.
THAT'S JUST A OBSERVATION THAT, YOU KNOW.
YEAH. I THINK THE IDEA WAS WHEN THIS STARTED WAS TO TO GET THE PERSON TO A SITUATION WHERE THEY COULD GET TREATMENT INSTEAD OF GET INSTEAD OF WORRY ABOUT INCARCERATION.
YEAH. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTED.
AND SHERIFF BOUNCE WAS VERY HUGE ADVOCATE.
VERY. YES. YEAH. IT WAS REALLY PROGRESSIVE.
AND I THINK SHERIFF BAKER IS ALSO.
OH AGREED. YEAH. NO IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL.
ANY OTHER. OTHER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE LITTLE FLIERS WE PUT OUT THAT SAY THAT, AND ANYTHING WE GO TO, WE HAVE THEM AS WELL. SO WE TRY TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. I'M GOOD, THANK YOU I HAVE TWO.
YOU MENTIONED THE WHITSETT CENTER.
OVER THE YEARS, I'VE GONE TO A LOT OF MEETINGS AT THE WHITSETT CENTER BECAUSE THE STATE HAS HAD THE WHITSETT CENTER ON ITS LIST OF DISINVESTMENT PROPERTY DIVESTITURE PROPERTIES.
WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT NOW? SO MARCH 18TH OF 2023, THE WHITSETT CENTER WAS REMOVED FROM THE DIVESTITURE, REMOVED FROM INVESTITURE.
OKAY. AND GOVERNOR MOORE IN THE BUDGET FOR FY 23, WHICH HE'S ALLOWED TO ROLL OVER INTO THIS YEAR, ALLOCATED $4 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT BECAUSE THE BUILDING, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, WHICH I WOULD ENCOURAGE A VISIT.
IT HAS A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, PRIMARILY IN THEIR BOILER ROOM AND HEATING AND COOLING.
IT'S THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1979, AND MOST OF THAT EQUIPMENT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN.
AND IT'S A HIGH RISK BECAUSE IT'S DEPENDENT ON THAT.
AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE CAPITAL TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE'RE WORKING TO GET THOSE THAT $4 MILLION SPENT DOWN AND APPLIED TO THE FACILITY ITSELF THIS PAST YEAR.
WE DID A LOT OF WORK TO FORMALLY HIGHLIGHT THE NEED FOR EXPANSION OF CHILD AND ADOLESCENT SERVICES ON THE EASTERN SHORE EVER SINCE 2016, WHEN ADVENTIST CLOSED AND CAMBRIDGE AND THEY WERE PROVIDING RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FOR OUR YOUTH, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CHILD AND ADOLESCENT SERVICES THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL OR INPATIENT IN NATURE AT ALL.
ON THE EASTERN SHORE, OUR YOUTH ARE GOING TO DELAWARE OR ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO GET HELP.
WHICH REALLY WE HAVE MADE A PRIORITY TO TRY TO GET SOME EXPANSION OF SERVICES FOR THAT POPULATION.
SO THE WHITSETT CENTER, ACTUALLY IN THEIR NORTHWEST WING, HAD A FACILITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
IT WAS OCCUPIED BY JHS, CALLED THE CARTER CENTER, THAT SERVED YOUNG LADIES THAT NEEDED DETENTION.
THAT FACILITY AND JHS MOVED OUT OF THE BUILDING IN 2020.
SO THE SPACE OCCUPIED FROM THE FORMER CARTER CENTER IS VACANT.
[20:30:01]
NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.BUT IT'S AN IDEAL LOCATION, POTENTIALLY, FOR A NEW SERVICE LINE TO MOVE INTO THE BUILDING.
SO WE DID PUT TOGETHER A VERY, I THINK, STRONG PROPOSAL AT THE REQUEST OF THE SECRETARY OF HEALTH THIS YEAR ON FEBRUARY 9TH, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CRISIS OR RESPITE UNIT THERE FOR TEN YOUTH THAT WAS ACTUALLY EARMARKED AND THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ADMINISTRATION'S BUDGET AND UNFORTUNATELY IT GOT PUT ON HOLD.
IT'S BEEN PUT UP ON A SHELF IN THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET CLIMATE, GIVEN THE UNDERESTIMATE OF INDIVIDUALS THAT THROUGH THE MEDICAID REDETERMINATION PROCESS THE STATE HAD ANTICIPATED ABOUT 200,000 INDIVIDUALS LESS THAN WHO FINALLY RESPONDED TO BEING IN NEED OF MEDICAID. SO THE BUDGET WASN'T POSITIONED TO ABSORB THAT.
SO, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR $8 MILLION PROPOSAL TO GET THAT PART OF THE BUILDING REMODELED AND GET A PROVIDER IN THERE FOR CHILD AND ADOLESCENT SERVICES HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT THERE'S NO RESOURCES TO SUPPORT IT.
I THINK THERE WAS A LOT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW AT THOSE MEETINGS, THERE WERE ACTUALLY THEY WERE ATTENDED BY REPRESENTATIVES FROM, OH, YEAH, A LOT OF ALL THE COUNTY MID-SHORE COUNTIES AND AND LOWER SHORT TOO.
THEY'RE NOT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN APPETITE TO DO THAT.
BUT BUT I THINK THAT FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, IT'S LOCATED IN CHESTERTOWN AND IT'S YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT WILL LEAD INTO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OFF THE WALL, BUT THE OPIOID OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE THROUGH THE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, WHERE WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? YEAH. SO THERE.
ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO BUCKETS THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO FOR, EXCUSE ME.
SO THE MONEY THAT COMES DIRECTLY TO THE COUNTY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ABOUT $261,000 IN THAT PART OF THAT, THOUGH, THE MONEY IS RESTRICTED TO CERTAIN USES.
SO WE HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY ESTABLISH A PROCEDURE OR PROCESS OF HOW THIS MONEY IS GOING TO BE USED AND TRACKED. AND THEN THE MONEY THAT IS APPLIED TO THROUGH THE STATE HAS TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES.
SO RIGHT NOW STACY, OUR GRANT COORDINATOR AND MYSELF ARE WORKING THROUGH THE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO ESSENTIALLY GO AFTER THE MONEY THAT'S EARMARKED THROUGH THE GRANT FUNDS.
AND ROBIN HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH ANNE AND I, GIVEN OUR ROLE WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DRUG FREE CAROLINE AND LOCAL DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE COUNCIL, THAT BODY OFFICIALLY WOULD BE THE ENTITY THAT WE'D WANT TO DEMONSTRATE SOME ENDORSEMENT OF, WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS ARE.
SO THAT'S A PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAD PEOPLE COME BEFORE US AND SAY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU ENTER INTO THIS, THIS IS MONEY THAT'S GOING TO COME.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, AS USUAL, THE STATE JUMPS IN AND SAYS, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, MONEY'S GOING TO COME TO THE STATE AND WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE, YEAH, THAT WAS NEVER THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK. YEAH. I REMEMBER WORKING WITH SARAH ON THE COUNTY APPLICATION FOR THOSE FUNDS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE AT LEAST GOT SOME OF IT.
CORRECT. YEAH. AND I'M PULLING IT UP NOW.
[20:35:03]
INTO THE OPIOID PANDEMIC.IT REALLY IS EARMARKED AND SPECIFIC TO OPIOID PREVENTION TREATMENT AWARENESS.
YEAH, FOR MORE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN UNDER THE MDL.
WAS IT FOR THE CITY? THE CITY DIDN'T JUMP IN AND IN THE BEGINNING, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE DID.
YEAH. SO THOSE THOSE I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE, I'M NOT SPEAKING, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT MIGHT NOT BE SOME SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR MAYBE SOME WIDGETS, BECAUSE I THINK THE WHITSETT CENTER, YOU KNOW, RENOVATIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
WELL, BUT I MEAN I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TRIED TO REALLY ADVOCATE FOR IS GIVEN THAT THE STATE ESSENTIALLY OWNS THE BUILDING TO CONTINUE TO HOLD THEM AS ACCOUNTABLE AS POSSIBLE, THE COMPTROLLER WOULD BE BETTER IS IF THE STATE SPENT THEIR MONEY.
RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT THAT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S. YEAH.
SO. OKAY, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, AS ALWAYS, VERY INFORMATIVE.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING.
SO THE LETTER OF AGREEMENT IN.
FOX. AND THEN THEY WILL GO TO OUR LEGAL TEAM FOR PROBABLY FOR THE JUNE 25TH.
OKAY. SO THAT IS NOT BEING SIGNED TODAY.
THAT'S FINE. AND THEN REGARDING THE LDAP, IS IS IT CORRECT THAT WE NEED TO CAROLINE MEMBERS IS THAT ACCURATE? SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE LATEST CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH ROBIN WAS THE LDAP IS CURRENTLY SHORT TWO REPRESENTATIVES, ONE WHICH IS EARMARKED AS THE CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONER REPRESENTATIVE.
SALIMAN OR WELL PRIOR I BELIEVE IT.
WE HAD THE COUNTY MANAGER ATTEND AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
SARAH. YEAH. SARAH USED TO COME.
YES. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN A COMMISSIONER ON THAT.
YEAH. I THINK IN THE PAST THE ADMINISTRATOR HAS BEEN THE REPRESENTATIVE.
HOW OFTEN DO THEY MEET? MONTHLY. FOURTH THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
WE WE DO USUALLY TAKE OFF AUGUST AND MAYBE AUGUST AND DECEMBER.
WE GIVE A LITTLE BREAK VIRTUAL AS WELL.
YEAH. YES. IT'S HYBRID OR IT'S A HYBRID OPTION 730 OR 8 IN THE MORNING NOW.
YEAH. HOW LONG DO THEY LAST? ABOUT AN HOUR.
IF YOU NEED A COMMISSIONER MEETING, WE'LL LET US KNOW, OKAY? BECAUSE WE'LL WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT.
YES I WILL HAVE BOTH OF THEM CIRCULATED OKAY.
THANK YOU THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK AT ANY TIME.
SO YOU'LL SEE SEE SOME MORE FOLKS FROM OUR OFFICE.
YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I'M GOOD.
[20:40:04]
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US A CAPITAL PROJECT UPDATE AND PARK PROJECT UPDATES.PICKED A BAD TIME TO FORGET MY READING GLASSES.
I'M GOING TO START WITH COMMISSIONER PORTER'S FAVORITE TOPIC.
WE JUST RECEIVED THE 60% DRAWINGS ON THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE PAGE BY PAGE, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS IN THERE.
AND, AND AND ALL OF THE, THE T'S AND I'S ARE CROSSED TO THAT REGARD, MAKING ADJUSTMENTS.
WE DID CONFIRM WITH QA WHAT IS NECESSARY.
THE ENGINEER HAS THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND IS INCORPORATING THOSE INTO THE 60% DRAWINGS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CELL D CELL LANE ON THE ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE. WE'RE WAITING ON THE FINAL COMMITMENT FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE REGARDING THE GRANT MONEY.
TALK TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DNR YESTERDAY.
SHE IS HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL MAKE IT THROUGH THIS GRANT ROUND.
BASED ON ALL OF THE ANSWERS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED.
REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL SURVEY.
SO FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE WE'VE STARTED THIS PROCESS WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THE LAND WATER CONSERVATION FUNDS, I FINALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE SEEING LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL FOR THAT $1.3 MILLION.
SO I SHOULD KNOW TO THAT REGARD.
THE THE GRANT PORTAL FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CLOSES JULY THE 12TH.
AND SO I SHOULD KNOW VERY SHORTLY HOW SOON THAT MONEY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US.
BEFORE I MOVE ON, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO NORTH COUNTY PARK PROJECT? WITH THE 6% DRAWINGS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIELDS AND ALL, OR IS THAT JUST THE AT THE EXCEL CELL? SO THE 60% DRAWINGS FOR EVERYTHING.
WE INCORPORATED THE THE REQUIREMENTS FROM QA INTO THE 60%.
SO THEY'LL INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THIS ROUND.
RIGHT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE UP.
I AM, I AM HOPEFUL WE WILL BREAK GROUND LATE FALL EARLY WINTER FOR NORTH COUNTY PARK AND WOULD WHAT? ANTICIPATE 6 TO 8 MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION PENDING ANY STRANGE DITTIES WE MAY FIND OUT THERE.
CHOPTANK MARINE DREDGE DISPOSAL SITE CONTRACTOR STARTED WORK.
MOSTLY WHERE WE HAD PUT SOME OF THE DREDGE DISPOSAL MATERIAL ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
SO I SHOULD HAVE THAT ANSWER WITHIN A DAY OR SO.
BUT THAT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD.
AND WE'VE RESOLVED THE ISSUE WITH THE MEDFORD HOUSE.
SO WHILE THEY'RE STILL I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BE A DREDGE DISPOSAL SITE.
THEY'RE NOT ENVELOPING THAT HOUSE SO TO SPEAK.
SO THERE SHOULD BE SIGNIFICANT ROOM FOR THAT.
YOU'RE IN YOU'RE IN COORDINATION WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ON THAT.
ABSOLUTELY. AND COORDINATE ALL OF THAT WITH THEM, BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT GO SOUTH.
WE CANNOT START SPENDING THAT MONEY UNTIL JULY, INCLUDING THE MATCH MONEY.
PART OF THE PROJECT WILL BE REVIEWING THOSE, BUT ANTICIPATE GOING TO BID ON THAT IN AUGUST.
SO THAT WE CAN START SPENDING DOWN THE THE MERIDETH FUNDS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO SPEND BY NOVEMBER.
SO IN GOOD FAITH, BE STARTING TO SPEND SOME OF THAT MONEY ON THE SEAWALL FIRST.
[20:45:06]
WE'LL MOVE FROM THE SEAWALL BECAUSE THE SEAWALL CAN BE DONE WHILE THE BOATS ARE IN THE MARINA.SO THOSE PROJECTS, ONCE THEY GET STARTED, SHOULD RUN CONSECUTIVE TO BE COMPLETE BY FEBRUARY OF 2025.
WE RECEIVED THE FIRST DRAFT ON THE PLAT.
WE MET WITH THE ENGINEER AND THE TOWN OF DENTON.
THERE WERE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY WITH FOREST CONSERVATION HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARCEL THAT WE WANT TO PURCHASE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ALL INCLUDED IN THE NEW PLAT.
TO THAT REGARD, LANES MOVING FAIRLY QUICKLY WITH THAT.
ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ON THE SHARP ROAD? COMMERCIAL WORK. NO.
THE ENGINEERING HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
THE OLD PLAY EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THE SUB BASE WAS INSTALLED FOR THE PAVED COURT SURFACE.
WE NEEDED TO LET THAT SETTLE FOR ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE GOING AHEAD AND PAVING.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THE PAVING AND THE NEW COURT INSTALL WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.
THAT'LL TAKE ABOUT A MONTH TO CURE.
AND THEN THE THE COATING THE THE PAINT AND COATING FOR THE FOR THE PAVED COURT SURFACE WILL GO IN THE THE PLAYGROUND IS ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND ORDER THAT.
THAT'S ABOUT A SIX, 6 TO 8 WEEK LEAD TIME.
BUT THAT ALLOWS FOR LESLIE AND HER BAND OF MERRY PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND AND DO THE, THE WATER QUALITY REMEDIATION INCLUDING THE SWALE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO PUT OUR PARK AMENITIES IN, THEY WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY LAYING, YOU KNOW, STANDING WATER AND WATER NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE OFF OF THE PROPERTY.
FREDERICK HVAC IS ABOUT 80% COMPLETE.
WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE AIR, AIR AND HEAT BY THE END OF JUNE.
IN FACT, THERE'S A MEETING TODAY.
REGARDING THE THE STATUS AND TIMELINE TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT.
VERY EXCITED TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT WORKING.
AND HARMONY PLAYGROUND IS ABOUT 90%, 95% COMPLETE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME A FEW AMENITIES THAT GO DOWN THERE. RECEIVED ACTUALLY RECEIVED A VIDEO FROM THAT LAST FRIDAY OF THE CARS PARKED ALL ALONG THE ROADWAY.
THEY HAD A, I GUESS, A GIRLS SOFTBALL GAME AND A PICNIC.
AND IT WAS NICE TO SEE THAT PARK VERY ACTIVE.
SO THOSE ARE THE UPDATES THAT I HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS TO THAT REGARD? I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.
WE RECEIVED A AN EMAIL REGARDING NAMING OF THE HARMONY PARK.
IS THAT CORRECT FOR ROGER LAYTON? YES. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD A RESPONSE FOR THEM.
I MEAN, I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT PAVILION DOWN THERE WAS NAMED FOR SOMEONE NAMED SARAH.
YEAH. AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A DONATION MADE, CORRECT? CORRECT. TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'VE GONE ABOUT NAMING PARKS FOR PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A NAMING POLICY, BUT I MEAN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO PRIOR TO DOING THIS, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE A CONSISTENT POLICY ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ANY OF THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS.
FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW AND APPROVE PRIOR TO KIND OF HAVING A ONE OFF, SOMETHING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE WE REALLY I THINK IT WAS WAS IT HIS SISTER THAT ASKED ABOUT IT? I THINK IT WAS. YES.
SO WE REALLY WE PROBABLY SHOULD START A PROCESS OF TALKING ABOUT THAT.
ABSOLUTELY. GET HER AN ANSWER OF SOME KIND.
AND THAT WAS THE HARMONY PARK, I THINK.
CORRECT. SO THE PAVILION IS NAMED FOR MISS, MISS MISS MUELLER.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE SHOULD HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE.
[20:50:01]
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.SURE, I CAN START I CAN START PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER AND WORKING WITH COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PUT SOME THINGS TOGETHER AND THEN BRING IT TO YOUR YOUR ATTENTION FOR DISCUSSION.
DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THERE.
AND YOU HAD ALSO SENT US AN EMAIL ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP STATUS OF THE CEDAR.
FRANKIE. YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
WITH WITH THE WITH THE NEED FOR BALLPARKS.
WHAT, WHAT WHY HASN'T THAT BEEN UTILIZED WITH, WITH OUR CURRENT LEGS? MOSTLY BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN YOU HIT 5 OR 6:00, YOU CAN'T.
YEAH. I MEAN, IT COULD ALWAYS.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN LIKE REDIRECTED.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BEING REORIENTED.
IT WOULD BE PRETTY COSTLY TO REORIENT IT, BUT, I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION.
BECAUSE OF THAT IT'S NOT VERY SAFE TO PLAY.
YEAH. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO HAS A DESIRE TO MAKE TO KEEP IT A BASEBALL FIELD.
NO, NO. BUT IF YOU KNOW COMMISSIONER BREEDING HASN'T WEIGHED IN ON HIS FEELINGS ABOUT THAT.
SO WHAT? THERE WAS A COUPLE OPTIONS.
GREENSBORO WAS WAS WEIGHING FOR THAT, I THINK I THINK THEY'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN, IN THE THEIR CONSTITUENTS WANTING MORE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FOR THE TOWN FOR, FOR THEIR TAX DOLLAR.
IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW SUPPLEMENTING THAT ANNUALLY.
AND SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE A SPRAY PARK SPRAY PAD SITUATION AND MAYBE SOME OTHER LITTLE RECREATION AMENITIES WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WOULD BE A BAD THING.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY THE ONLY THING I DON'T KNOW IN THAT REGARD FOR THEM IS HOW DNR WOULD LOOK AT THAT, SINCE SOME, SOME PROGRAM OPEN SPACE FUNDS WERE USED FOR THE DUGOUTS THE BACKSTOP AND THE SUBBASE FOR THE DUGOUTS AS WELL.
SO THOSE HAVE A 20 YEAR SHELF LIFE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WORK WAS DONE IN 2011.
SO THEY THEY MAY HAVE TO HAVE IT BE A BASEBALL FIELD UNTIL 2031.
BUT UNTIL I HAD YOUR FEEDBACK, I WASN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO GO TO THE STATE TO SHAKE THAT TREE.
GETTING TO WHERE THEY THINK HOME PLATE'S GOING TO BE.
YEAH. SO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUN'S NOT IN YOUR EYES.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BASEBALL FIELDS BECAUSE OF THE SUN BEING IN YOUR EYES.
CORRECT. WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD ANY MORE LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN I STARTED INVESTIGATING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THE THE PRIMAL DESIGN IS SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST IN IN THE HOME PLATE HERE AND THE OUTFIELD THERE.
THEY HAVE THEY HAVE HATS AND SUNGLASSES.
I MEAN IN LITTLE LEAGUE KIDS HAVE WALK UP SONGS NOW.
SO I KNOW CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HATE TO SOUND LIKE AN OLD GUY, BUT BACK IN THE OLD DAYS, WE JUST SHIELDED YOUR EYES WITH YOUR GLOVE AND YOU CAUGHT THE BALL, SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT.
WELL, I GUESS IN SENIOR, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF WORRYING ME A LITTLE BIT HERE, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED, ALL I HEAR IS WE NEED MORE FIELDS.
MORE FIELDS, MORE FIELDS, MORE FIELDS.
IF WE GOT A FIELD THAT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED BECAUSE THE SUN'S IN YOUR EYES, I DON'T KNOW.
SO. AND I MEAN, THE LIONS CLUB PARK IS NOT TO MY I DON'T I MEAN, I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE ABOUT HOW HOW WELL HOW MUCH IT'S BEING UTILIZED. GIRL.
GIRLS SOFTBALL IS USING USING THAT NOW.
STILL USING THAT FOR LITTLE LEAGUE AT ALL IN GREENSBORO.
I'M NOT SURE. OKAY, I KNOW THAT.
I KNOW THAT SOFTBALL HAD HAD LOCATED THERE.
WE CONNECTED THEM LAST LAST YEAR AND SOFTBALL WAS WAS RUNNING LOW ON ON FIELD SPACE.
[20:55:06]
SAME ERA. BUT YEAH I THINK WE'RE SCREAMING BALL FIELDS.EVEN IF IT DOES COST TO FLIP IT, FLIP IT.
I MEAN, IT'S STILL A BALL FIELD, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I MEAN, ONCE YOU ONCE YOU TURN IT OVER TO THE TOWN, IT'S GONE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE LOST IT, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION.
WE NEED TO. IT'S GOING TO BE USED.
I MEAN, EVEN A FOOTBALL FIELD, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SOCCER SOMETIMES USES IS IT OVER AS OVERFLOW PRACTICE SPACE CC SAY SO.
BUT. THERE'S GOING TO BE AMPLE SOCCER SPACE FOR THEM HERE SHORTLY.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DETAILED DISCUSSION.
YEAH. YEP. TURNING THIS OVER ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO IT.
IF IT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT, I DON'T WANT IT TO SIT THERE RIGHT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE CONSTANT REQUESTS ABOUT FIELDS AND NORTH COUNTY PARK IS GOING TO BE THERE. YEP.
SO BUT I THINK PARTICULARLY I THINK MY, MY COMMENT WAS IF IT ISN'T GOING TO COST US ANY MONEY TO DO IT, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE LOCKED INTO PROGRAM OPEN SPACE MONEY AND IT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY TO GIVE TO TRANSFER THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT.
I'M NOT I DON'T THINK WE'D BE LOOKING.
BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I HAVEN'T BROACHED WITH DNR BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT IS, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS BOARD'S DECISION TO TO MAKE.
SO BEFORE I, BEFORE I KNOCK ON THOSE DOORS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YEAH, I THINK ANY, ANY DECISION THAT IS MADE TO THAT REGARD IS IN YOUR HANDS.
I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AND I, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WE COULD FROM THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO, I GUESS, FINDING OUT ABOUT THE DUGOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG? YEP. AND FROM DNR THE KEY, YOU KNOW.
SO IF YOU DID, I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION WOULD BE THE DUGOUTS.
YOU'D HAVE TO MOVE THE YOU OKAY.
YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'D STILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PAID FOR.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THEY'D BE PERMANENT INSTRUCTORS.
TO ME, THE BIGGEST EXPENSE WOULD BE MOVING THE FENCES.
I'D SAY WE DO IT LIKE LARRY DID.
OH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE FENCES AND BECAUSE I WAS SLOW.
SO I LED THE WORLD IN FOUL BALL.
FOUL BALL, HOME RUNS AND THEN GROUND BALL TO SECOND BASE WITH MINE.
ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING GREENSBORO, CEDAR.
SO AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR INVENTORY AND OUR OUR SPLIT WITH PROGRAM OPEN SPACE, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT COMMISSIONER BARTZ HAS REQUESTED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, SO I'LL I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO DNR JUST TO CHECK WITH THE IMPLICATIONS WITH PROGRAM OPEN SPACE.
THE THE DUGOUTS AND THE BACKSTOP WERE PAID FOR.
SO THAT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, BE OUT OF COMMISSION UNTIL 2031.
SO IT'D JUST BE A MATTER OF WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR CONDITIONS WOULD BE.
AND IT AND IT MAY NIX THE ENTIRE SITUATION ANYWAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING.
SORRY. I'M GOOD. IT WAS SPECTACULAR TO SOME OF MY BEST WORK.
I'LL WATCH IT. I'LL GO BACK AND WATCH IT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TAKE FIVE MINUTES.
[21:04:32]
WHAT? YEAH. THANK YOU EVERYONE.CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
SO SORRY I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
OR ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE STATE OF MARYLAND HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
THEY ARE BASICALLY RUSHING THROUGH THE REGULATIONS TO ADMINISTER
[21:05:01]
THE DAF PERMITTING PROCESS.SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ELR, THE WHICH IS MADE UP OF TEN DELEGATES AND TEN STATE SENATORS.
ALL REGULATIONS MUST GO THROUGH THEM.
THE NORMAL PROCESS TAKES 3 TO 4 MONTHS.
WELL, THIS NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE JULY 1ST.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE AN EMERGENCY ACTION, WHICH CAN TAKE AS LITTLE AS 2 TO 3 WEEKS, WHICH BYPASSES BASICALLY THE NORMAL PUBLIC NOTICE COMMENT PERIOD.
BUT AN EMERGENCY ACTION CAN ONLY BE IN EFFECT FOR 180 DAYS, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN OVER BY A PROPOSED ACTION, WHICH WOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME COMMITTEE, THE ELR COMMITTEE.
BUT IT HAS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND IT HAS WAITING PERIODS BEFORE IT CAN BE ADMINISTERED.
SO OR BEFORE THE REGULATIONS CAN TAKE PLACE, TAKE EFFECT.
SO THEIR PLAN IS RIGHT NOW TO PASS THIS AS AN EMERGENCY ACTIONS THROUGH THE ELR AND TO FOLLOW UP WITH A PROPOSED ACTION, FURTHER TWEAKING THE REGULATIONS IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW FOR THE 2 TO 3 MONTHS PROCESS THAT IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH THE FULL REGULATION IMPLEMENTATION REVIEW PROCESS.
AND THEN IT WOULD, WOULD TAKE EFFECT BEFORE THE 180 DAYS IS UP.
SO THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES FROM ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, FROM AGRICULTURE, FROM CHICKEN INDUSTRY.
THEY WERE CHICKEN INDUSTRY WAS WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IF MDA DOESN'T GET THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE BY JULY 1ST, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? THEY BROUGHT THAT UP MULTIPLE TIMES AND THERE WAS A VERY HEATED EXCHANGE BACK AND FORTH.
BY JULY 1ST, WE'LL ALL DEATHS WERE GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN.
WILL THEY BE ABLE TO CONTINUE UNDER THE PREEXISTING REGULATIONS? WE DON'T KNOW. AS OF YET.
THE DEFINITION THAT THEY USE WAS PULLED FROM THE SEWER SLUDGE UTILIZATION PERMIT PROCESS.
QUESTIONS SO FAR ABOUT MDA SAMPLING SOILS IN THE REGULATIONS.
WOULD THAT BE PROTECTED UNDER THE NUTRIENT MANAGEMENT CONFIDENTIALITY LAW NOW? AND THE ANSWER WAS YES.
UNLESS ENFORCEMENT ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN THEN IT WOULDN'T BE PROTECTED BY CONFIDENTIALITY.
SO THEY'RE GOING THROUGH EACH SECTION CURRENTLY.
AND YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBERS, ONLY THE MEMBERS OF THE NUTRIENT MANAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN ONLY SPEAK RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT THE END.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
PRETTY MUCH THE SAME QUESTIONS WE HAD.
BUT IT'S IT'S VERY INTERESTING I HOPE IT IS RECORDED SO EVERYBODY CAN GO BACK AND AND WATCH IT.
SO I DID, I DID NOTICE SOMEWHERE I THINK IN THE WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH MY MAKO INFORMATION, I THINK DELEGATE LOVE WAS APPOINTED SENATOR.
I THINK SHE WAS APPOINTED TO FILL A SENATOR.
OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT SHE WAS THE DELEGATE SPONSOR OF THIS BILL.
SO THEY GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO BEFORE JULY 1ST.
AND I'M NOT SURE THEY CAN MOVE AT THAT SPEED.
NO. WELL, IT'S 2 TO 3 WEEKS TO GET THROUGH THE EMERGENCY ACTION.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY NOW BECAUSE IS DELEGATE JACOBS THE CHAIRMAN OF A OF THE A E A L E R COMMITTEE? I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW IF I KNOW HE'S ON IT.
I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S CHAIRMAN OR NOT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WHICH IS CRYSTAL DADS, DIRECTOR OF CAROLINE COUNTY PLANNING CODES DEPARTMENT WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT CAROLINE COUNTY CODE.
OTHER NUISANCES, OTHER NUISANCES.
[21:10:09]
WE, AS THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND CODES, STRUGGLE WITH ADDRESSING CERTAIN COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVE FROM INDIVIDUALS.AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF LACK OF CLARITY OR LACK OF REGULATION WITHIN OUR COUNTY CODE, PARTICULARLY, THESE ARE THINGS HAVE COME TO LIGHT MORE RECENTLY.
OTHER THAN CITING SOMEONE FOR OPERATING A CAMPGROUND.
AND IN THE LEGAL WORLD, IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT TO COURT, THE JUDGE IS NOT GOING TO LIKE US USING A BACK DOOR APPROACH OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S OPERATING A CAMPGROUND JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMEONE LIVING IN THE RV IN THE DRIVEWAY OF THEIR PROPERTY.
SO OTHER ITEMS OF CONCERN ARE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUNKY YARDS, HOUSEHOLD TRASH JUST STREWN ACROSS THE PROPERTY, ANIMALS UNREGISTERED, UNTAGGED VEHICLES GRASS, PARTICULARLY IN THE CASE OF WE WENT THROUGH A PHASE WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF FORECLOSURES IN THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE IN THAT LIMBO BETWEEN THE BANK TAKING IT BACK OVER, AND THE PERSON LEAVES, FURNITURE IS THROWN OUT IN THE FRONT YARD LEFT THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S ABANDONED HOUSES AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM IN THE COUNTY.
SOME YOU DON'T KNOW ARE THERE AND SOME ARE PRETTY OBVIOUS.
YOU KNOW, IN OUR VILLAGES RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A UNSAFE STRUCTURES CODE THAT HAS PROVISIONS FOR DETERMINING A HOME THAT IS UNFIT FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY, OR IT IS UNSAFE AND WITH UNFIT.
THAT JUST MEANS IT'S IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR WHERE IT'S NOT SAFE FOR HABITABLE HUMAN, HUMAN, HUMAN HABITATION WHERE IF AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IN DANGER OF COLLAPSING, WE CAN ORDER IT TO BE CLOSED, WHICH WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO BOARD UP WINDOWS AND DOORS TO PREVENT ENTRY.
THAT STRUCTURE AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TEARING IT DOWN AND PUTTING A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER FINANCIAL IMPACTS TO THE COUNTY.
WE'VE WE'VE TOSSED AROUND MANY IDEAS AND THERE'S JUST NOT THE ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE THAT MIGHT HAVE TWO UNREGISTERED VEHICLES PARKED NEATLY IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, 2 OR 3 VERSUS THE PERSON WHO'S GOT THEM STUCK IN THE FRONT YARD WITH A TREE LAYING ON TOP OF THEM.
AND I SHARED WITH ALL OF YOU VIA EMAIL WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND HOW TO ADDRESS THIS ONE AVENUE WAS TO ADD LANGUAGE TO OUR NUISANCE CODE THAT DOESN'T REALLY SPELL OUT SPECIFICALLY NUMBER OF CARS HEIGHT OF GRASS, HOW MANY ANIMALS? RVS. BUT IF YOU'RE IMPACTING A PROPERTY IN A FASHION THAT IT CREATES THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY BE DEVALUED BECAUSE OF THE THE STATE OF DISREPAIR OF THAT PROPERTY, OR IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WE WERE TO RECEIVE A VALID COMPLAINT THAT THIS IS IMPACTING MY PROPERTY, IT'S NOT JUST I RIDE BY AND I SEE IT EVERY DAY ON MY WAY TO WORK, BUT I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS AND I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING RODENTS FROM WHATEVER ACTIVITIES GOING ON ON THAT PROPERTY THAT WE COULD EVALUATE THAT AND SAY, YES, THAT THAT DEEMS TO THE LEVEL OF A NUISANCE AND THAT WE COULD PROCEED IN THAT FASHION WITH A VIOLATION AND THAT COURSE OF ACTION THROUGH OUR CIVIL CITATION PROCESS.
[21:15:01]
OR WE COULD SPELL OUT THE REGULATIONS, WHAT WE EXACTLY WANT.IS THERE A SET NUMBER OF UNREGISTERED VEHICLES WE WANT TO SAY A PROPERTY CAN HAVE, OR A SET NUMBER OF ANIMALS, OR YOU CANNOT LIVE IN AN RV? I DID DO SOME RESEARCH, AND I DID SEND YOU A COPY OF WHAT SOMERSET COUNTY, YOU KNOW, APPEARS THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUE WITH PEOPLE LIVING IN RVS, LIVING IN TENTS.
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF HUNTING CABINS, FISHING CABINS DOWN THERE.
AND IN 2021, THEY ADOPTED SOME CHANGES TO THEIR ZONING REGULATIONS THAT STATE SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN AND HOW VIA A PERMIT PROCESS OR IF IT'S A HUNTING CAMPER, YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE IT THERE FOREVER.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT IT THERE DURING HUNTING SEASON.
YOU GET YOUR PERMIT. WE KNOW IT'S THERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE ELECTRICITY HOOKED TO IT OR WHATEVER WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
BUT I KNOW THAT ALL THREE OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING THESE NUISANCE ISSUES.
THIS IS LIKE A NEVER ENDING STORY.
THE QUESTION ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO.
WHAT ARE WE PREPARED TO DO? AS A PUNISHMENT.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY TO ME, SO YOU WANT TO SEND SOMEBODY TO JAIL WHO'S LIVING IN A RUNDOWN HOUSE? NO, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY GO TO JAIL.
BUT THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT I USE AS MY GOLD STANDARD THAT IS LOCATED IN RIDGELY ON LINCOLN STREET. I BELIEVE IT IS.
I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF IT ON MY PHONE THAT IT IS A LIKE A TRAILER AND TRASH YOU CAN.
I RODE BY THERE ON FRIDAY AND IT'S STILL THERE, AND IT IS A AN EMBARRASSMENT TO NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK I SENT YOU A COPY OF IT.
SO WE JUST EVERY DAY WE JUST KEEP RIDING BY IT AND RIDING BY IT.
SO I AM PREPARED TO, TO ADOPT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PUT SOME ENFORCEMENT BEHIND YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES THE LADY THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT PROPERTY, I TALKED TO HER.
IF I WERE HER, I WOULD BE LIVING.
I WOULD BE LIVING EVERY DAY THAT I HAD TO LOOK AT THAT MESS.
AND ALL WE HEAR IS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS IT.
LET'S DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS IT.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF TWO PIECES THAT YOU CAN STRUCTURE THIS AS.
YOU CAN DO IT AS A LEAN AND HAVE THAT RECORDED ON ANY PROPERTY.
OR YOU CAN STRUCTURE IT IN CODE TO WHERE YOU COULD PRETTY MUCH INCLUDE IT IN A TAX SALE.
THE, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT YOU MAY ENCOUNTER, SPECIFICALLY THE PROPERTY THAT COMMISSIONER PORTER IS TALKING ABOUT ORIGINALLY SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE SO BEHIND IN TAXES, THEY'RE IN TAX SALE.
THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE TO EVEN BID ON.
AND ESSENTIALLY, YOU TACK ON ADDITIONAL FEES, YOU TACK ON THESE SERVICES, IT GETS CLEANED UP, BUT THEN FOR FOREVER, ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE JUST OUTSTANDING ON THESE CHARGES OR SERVICES.
AND THEN WE WE CARRY IT ON THE BOOKS UNTIL WE DECIDE TO.
BUT THE SITUATION ON THAT ONE IS, FROM WHAT I GATHER, IS THAT IT IS SOME QUIRK THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TAX LAW, RIGHT? WHERE THIS PROPERTY, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY PASSED AWAY, DID NOT HAVE ANY DIRECT HEIRS.
[21:20:02]
AND I MEAN, IT'S NOT FAIR TO PEOPLE.AND, YOU KNOW, I'M PREPARED TO TO SAY THAT IF WE'VE GOT A PROPERTY THAT IS IN THAT SITUATION, I'M PREPARED TO SET ASIDE AN ALLOCATION OF MONEY TO GO IN THERE AND CLEAN IT UP. IF IT'S A CORNER LOT, WHICH IT IS A CORNER LOT, I THINK IT'S LINCOLN STREET AND HINES HENRY ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME ALONG AT SOME POINT AND WANT TO BUY A CORNER LOT TO PUT A DECENT HOUSE ON, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT.
HOUSES THAT ARE ABANDONED HOUSES.
HOUSES THAT ARE FORECLOSED ON BY BANKS.
WE'VE GOT TO HOLD THOSE THOSE BANKS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES FEET TO THE FIRE ON THESE THINGS.
THE PROBLEM WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO IS THE PENALTY PART.
AND THAT'S WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
HOW FAR ARE WE PREPARED TO GO TO MAKE PEOPLE.
IT'S YOU CAN ASK THEM TO DO SOMETHING.
IF THEY DON'T, THERE'S REALLY NOT.
YOU GIVE THEM REASONABLE TIME TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION.
THAT IS SIMPLY THEY CAN PAY THE FINE AND IT STOPS THERE.
AND IF THEY DON'T PAY THE FINE, THEN WE CAN PROCEED IN DISTRICT COURT.
HAVE WE DONE THAT? VERY FEW, VERY FEW.
BECAUSE OUR GOAL IN CODE ENFORCEMENT IS TO GET COMPLIANCE.
OUR GOAL IN CODE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE TO ENFORCE THE CODE, AND IT SHOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE CITIZENS WHO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS MESS ALL THE TIME. AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO ARGUE WITH ME ABOUT WHETHER IT DOES DEVALUE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, IT DOES.
AND I'M I HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONE FAILURE, NOT THE ONE ONE OF MANY, BUT IT'S THE FAILURE THAT I SEE OF ME AS A COMMISSIONER.
AND IT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE FOR 14 YEARS I SET UP HERE AND TALKED ABOUT THIS.
YOU HAVE AND WE'RE NO CLOSER TO BEING TO A SOLUTION THAN WE THAN WE HAVE BEEN.
AND SO SO I, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IF IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS LIVING IN A CAMPER AND TALKING ABOUT IT ON FACEBOOK AND SAYING, I'M LIVING IN MY IN MY SON'S CAMPER, I DON'T CARE, WE GOT TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE.
WE CANNOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND I JUST DON'T I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO START FROM FROM THE, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING HERE.
WE'VE GOT TO START FROM A COMPLAINT BASIS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT.
BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE WHO, WHO, WHO ARE LEGITIMATELY IMPACTED BY THIS PROBLEM. AND I AM PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD ON DOING THAT.
SO IF IT MEANS FINING PEOPLE, IF IT MEANS I DON'T CARE AND WE'RE READY TO DO THAT, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE NEVER HAD THE CONSENSUS OF THE FULL BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS INTO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, HOW WE WANTED TO ATTACK THE APPROACH THAT IF A IF A PROPERTY DOES NOT MEET THE HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS.
CORRECT. IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS OF THE STATE OF MARYLAND? I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
NOW, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, AND THE ONE THAT WE GRAPPLE WITH ALL THE TIME, WHAT IF IT'S AN OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTY? ARE WE GOING TO FIND PEOPLE FOR LIVING IN THEIR OWN PROPERTY IF THEY DON'T CLEAN IT UP? THAT'S RIGHT. NOW WE HAVE OUR LIVABILITY CODE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT OF A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WHEN IT COMES TO THE STRUCTURE AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO RENTAL PROPERTIES AND NON OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES.
SO WE COULD REVERSE THAT LIVABILITY CODE AND TAKE THAT EXEMPTION OUT OF THERE.
WELL I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED SOME INPUT ALSO FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS, BECAUSE WHEN WE THE FIRST TIME WE SEND, THE FIRST TIME WE FIND A PERSON FOR LIVING IN THEIR OWN PROPERTY, WHO'S GOT A BUNCH OF LAWN MOWERS OR WEED WEED TRIMMERS OR STUFF LIKE THAT
[21:25:01]
LAYING AROUND, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT.AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO START.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE NEED TO START IS ABANDONED PROPERTIES.
WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND I'M FOR ONE, I'M PREPARED TO TO MOVE FORWARD ON DOING THAT.
I UP? ARE YOU DOWN THERE? YEP. OH ONE OF THE BIG GAINS FROM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IS, IS YOU ONCE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR WAS ONCE YOU GET A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE INTACT, YOU CAN HAVE A HOUSING COORDINATOR OR A HOUSING AUTHORITY, WHICH THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING.
THE PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE ALL THE LAWNMOWERS OR WHATEVER, IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD SOMETHING, THEY CAN GO BECAUSE WE TURN OUT HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE TURN, HOW MUCH MONEY WE TURN DOWN, A LOT OF MONEY DON'T RECALL THE EXACT, I'M JUST SAYING.
SO THOSE PEOPLE THAT NEED THAT EXTRA MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR ROOF FIXED OR SOMETHING, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR THAT AND HELP HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT THAT MONEY, BE USED TO DEMO OLD ABANDONED HOUSES.
NO, NO, BUT BUT BUT FRANK, I, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE WHO EITHER ABANDON A HOUSE OR NO ONE'S LIVING IN IT.
THEY JUST WALKED AWAY FROM IT.
OR AN INSURANCE. THERE'S BEEN A FIRE AND THE INSURANCE COMPANY JUST WALKS AWAY.
THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES WE GOT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO START WITH.
IF YOU GET INTO A PROGRAM THAT IS GOING TO GIVE HOMEOWNERS, WE I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD HABITAT FOR HUMANITY CAME IN, AND THEY WANTED TO SET UP A PROGRAM THAT WOULD GIVE GRANTS OF MONEY TO HOMEOWNERS TO FIX UP THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY.
I RAN A PROGRAM LIKE THAT MANY YEARS AGO.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO GRANT MONEY TO A, TO A, A PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOU HAVE TO PUT THERE'S THERE'S MONITORING THAT HAS TO GO ON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON THAT.
YOU CAN'T GIVE SOMEBODY MONEY TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON THEIR HOUSE.
AND THEN HAVE THEY TURN AROUND AND SELL THE HOUSE AND MAKE MONEY ON IT.
SO. SO YEARS AGO WE DID A LOT OF WORK IN THE NORTHERN AREA OF DENTON.
I BELIEVE IT WAS FOR 20 YEARS, 18 YEARS FROM NOW, WHO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IS GOING TO BE SITTING IN SOMEWHERE AND SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT HOUSE OVER THERE ORIGINALLY GOT SOLD.
WE GAVE THEM MONEY 18 YEARS AGO TO PUT A SIDING ON IT.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THOSE PROGRAMS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, UNLESS WE'VE GOT A WHOLE A WHOLE SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT, I CAN WE CAN NOT ASK DANNY.
WE CANNOT ASK THE TAX OFFICE TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF TRACKING EVERY PROPERTY THAT'S SOLD IN THIS COUNTY, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM MONEY TO FIX SOMETHING UP. SO, I MEAN, I BELIEVE WE DO THIS IN PHASES.
THAT'LL KEEP US BUSY FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
MY THING WAS, TRAVIS, ANSWER MY QUESTION.
CAN YOU USE THE MONEY TO TO FOR THE DEMOLITION SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS? RIGHT. YEAH. BUT IN THE SAME SENSE, IF YOU DID THAT, THEN THERE ALSO COMES TO THE ISSUE WITH THE PART OF TRACKING, TRACKING, TRACKING IT AND HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAY, WE TORE MY HOUSE DOWN.
I LIVE OVER HERE IN BALTIMORE AND I OWN THIS HOUSE, AND YOU TORE MY HOUSE DOWN, RIGHT? I MEAN, FIRE COMPANIES TODAY HAVE TO GO AND VERIFY IF YOU HAVE A CONTROLLED BURNING.
SO AM I BURNING THE HOUSE DOWN? SOMEBODY. SOMEBODY ASKED THE FIRE COMPANY TO BURN IT DOWN AS A CONTROLLED BURNING AND THEN SOLD THE HOUSE AND THEN TELL THE FIRE COMPANY.
[21:30:07]
RIGHT. I MEAN, SO SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS.AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THE ABANDONED PROPERTIES, ALL THAT.
BUT. I ALSO THINK THAT THE RV ISSUE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
I THINK AS WELL. I MEAN, I THINK WE DO IT A PIECE AT A TIME AND WE DO THE RV FIRST.
LET'S LET'S IRON OUT WHAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO ABANDONED PROPERTIES AND RUBBISH, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH EITHER A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE UNDER OUR NUISANCE CODE, OR SOME SIMPLE FIXES WITHIN A TEXT AMENDMENT WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE, SUCH AS THE RVS.
SO I'VE REVIEWED THE NUISANCE ORDINANCE THAT THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED, I GUESS, A FEW YEARS AGO.
IS THAT THE INTERPRETATION? IT'S IT'S LEFT UP TO INTERPRETATION.
IS IT A NUISANCE? ISN'T IT A NUISANCE IF WE END UP IN COURT? IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW.
IS IT A NUISANCE, ISN'T IT? IF IT'S IN OUR CODE AND IT'S CLEARLY SPELLED OUT IN CODE THAT THAT WE REMOVE THAT POTENTIAL ARGUMENT FROM THE CONVERSATION, SO AM I WRONG THERE? OKAY, SO I THINK I WANTED TO CUT AND DRY IN.
MY IDEA WAS WE DO THIS, WE PASS IT IN CODE SMALL, PIECEMEAL THINGS, EASY FOR THE PUBLIC TO DIGEST.
WE CAN GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT ME.
YOU ARE ONLY TO DO ENFORCEMENT ON COMPLAINT DRIVEN, YOU KNOW, BASED ON COMPLAINTS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT PERSON WHO MAKES THAT COMPLAINT HAS GOT TO BE AWARE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANONYMOUS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HIDING SOMEWHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE BECAUSE YOU I THINK YOU HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN COURT, BECAUSE IF THIS PERSON SAYS, I'M GOING TO DISPUTE WHAT THIS PERSON WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT SAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO STAND BEHIND IT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND I MEAN, I'M SORRY, BUT BUT THAT'S THE DEAL.
AND, YOU KNOW WE CAN I JUST THINK WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A STARTING POINT.
WE CAN'T KEEP SAYING WE NEED TO DO THIS.
WE NEED TO DO THIS. WE NEED TO DO IT.
WE'LL WE'LL FIND OUT VERY QUICKLY IF IF WE'RE DOING STUFF THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE.
YEAH. AND NOBODY AND NOBODY'S GOING TO LIKE GETTING GETTING A LETTER SAYING THAT YOUR HOUSE THAT YOU OWN OVER HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY IS FALLING DOWN AND YOU GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, OR WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND SEIZE THE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT WE COULD PROBABLY WORK UNDER OUR UNSAFE STRUCTURES CHAPTER.
CAMBRIDGE. EASTON, YOU KNOW, OR SEAFORD DIFFERENT AREAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE MUNICIPALITIES ARE TEARING HOUSES DOWN AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABANDONED AND AND THEY, THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAN THEM UP.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTEN TO THAT POINT AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN INVESTMENT.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO COST SOME MONEY.
AND SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT FAIR.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE GOT A, YOU KNOW, GO OVERBOARD WITH THIS.
BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PICK A DATE AND GO WITH IT AND START.
SO WHAT TYPE OF TIME FRAME WOULD IT TAKE TO GET SOMETHING STEWART OR.
WELL, WHAT WHAT DID SOMERSET WHAT DID SOMERSET DO.
THEY DID A TEXT AMENDMENT IN WHAT DOES IT BASICALLY WHAT DOES IT BASICALLY SAY.
[21:35:04]
I DIDN'T HEAR SOMEWHERE.DID YOU SEND IT TO US? YEAH. YES. YOU HAVE IT.
I'M SORRY. HERE IT IS, I MISSED IT.
HOW DID I MISS IT? YOU DIDN'T TELL ME.
THEY ACTUALLY DID SOME SIMILAR STUFF IN THE MIDDLE.
THEY PROVIDE FOR SEASONAL USE ON A LOT OR PARCEL.
AS LONG AS THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE IS PROPERLY TITLED AND LICENSED, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ON THE PROPERTY, AND THE OCCUPANCY IS LIMITED TO 60 DAYS IN A YEAR, AND TO NOT EXCEED 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS HAS TO BE SELF CONTAINED OR SUITABLE SANITARY FACILITIES, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A POSTED PLACARD VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT STATES THAT THE RV WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
HAS TO BE ON A LOT, AT LEAST FIVE ACRES.
AND THIS IS INTENDED FOR THAT SEASONAL HUNTING RECREATIONAL TYPE USE.
AND THEN EACH YEAR THEY WOULD GET A ZONING CERTIFICATE TO PLACE IT BACK THERE FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
AND THE ONE OTHER PART THEY HAD TO THAT IS PROVIDING THE COUNTY A FINANCIAL SURETY TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU DO NOT REMOVE THAT RV, THE COUNTY WILL REMOVE IT FOR YOU. SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING THING THAT THEY HAD IN THERE AS WELL, AND THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY ELECTRICAL SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
THEY HAVE A PROVISION FOR A TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY IF YOU'RE BUILDING A HOME, SO THAT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A VALID ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT, YOU COULD PLACE YOUR RV THERE WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING YOUR HOME.
YEAH. AND THEN THEY HAVE SOME THINGS FOR STORAGE ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THERE.
I'M NOT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM, HONESTLY.
RIGHT. AND THE THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS THEY SPECIFICALLY SAY NO RV, TRAVEL TRAILER OR TENT SHALL BE THE PRINCIPAL USE OF A PARCEL OR LOT THAT THE ONLY PROVISIONS THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW IT IS UNDER A SEASONAL, ACTUAL RECREATIONAL USE.
AND EVEN THAT IS LIMITED, RIGHT? BUT THEY DO NOT ALLOW SO THEY BANNED IT.
THIS IS THEIR SOLUTION ON HOW TO BAN LIVING IN RVS IN SOMERSET COUNTY IN 2021.
RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE IT ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT, YOU CAN PARK YOUR RV ON YOUR RESIDENTIAL LOT.
YOU GET NO MORE THAN TWO RVS AND NO MORE THAN TWO PIECES OF OTHER RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A JET SKI, SOME OTHER, A BOAT, ANY OTHER TYPE OF RECREATIONAL EQUIPMENT ON A PROPERTY THAT'S IMPROVED WITH A RESIDENCE.
AND IT CAN'T BE THERE FOR MORE THAN TEN DAYS WITHIN A 30 DAY TIME PERIOD.
AND THE RV HAS TO BE OWNED BY THE OWNER.
OCCUPANT OF THE PARCEL HAS TO BE PROPERLY LICENSED, CAN'T HAVE WHEELS REMOVED, AND NO PARKED OR STORED RECREATIONAL VEHICLE MAY BE USED FOR LIVING, SLEEPING OR BUSINESS PURPOSES BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE ONE OF THOSE RECENTLY THAT HAS POPPED UP TO SAY THEY'RE USING IT FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
HE STORES HIS TOOLS IN IT AND OPERATES HIS BUSINESS OUT OF IT.
SO WHY CAN'T WE COMMISSIONER PORTER WAS TALKING ABOUT WHY CAN'T WE SAY, HEY, WE TALK ABOUT THE ABANDONED PROPERTIES, AND, I MEAN, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT SIMPLE.
THERE ARE TWO BASIC ISSUES THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S JUST THE ABANDONED PROPERTIES AND THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
SO IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT, KEEP IT LIMITED AND GO IN PHASES, I THINK WE JUST KEEP THEM TO REAL SIMPLE TO THE POINT AND JUST START FROM THERE.
[21:40:10]
NO, I THINK THERE'S SOME SOME GOOD INFORMATION IN THERE.AND IF YOU KNOW THE THE ONE THING WE WANT IS YOU.
YOU CAN'T LIVE IN IT, CAN'T RUN A BUSINESS OUT OF IT.
NOT FAR. SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT THAT ARE THAT ARE IN THAT.
VICINITY AND ARE HOOKED UP ILLEGALLY.
TO COMMISSIONER BARTZ IF WE WANT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CONSENSUS WITH THE TWO ITEMS BEING RV AND ABANDONED PROPERTIES.
OBVIOUSLY, STAFF LEGAL AND I, WE CAN COME UP WITH A DRAFT THAT REALLY PUTS THOSE TWO ITEMS INTO ONE.
WE CAN BRING IT BACK IN A WORKSHOP AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER POINT.
COMMISSIONER PORTER POINT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
WELL, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME.
I KNOW, I KNOW, COMMISSIONER BARKER TALKING ABOUT YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME DETAIL THOUGH.
YEAH. SO I MEAN, WE'RE IT'S GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS.
YEAH. AND I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING BAN THEM ALL TOGETHER.
RIGHT. FOR THOSE OF YOU, YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE BEEN WE'VE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS ABOUT THIS AND WE'VE HAD THEM AND YOU KNOW I, I WON'T I MEAN, I YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GUY WHO WROTE A STORY ABOUT US, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS AND, AND ENDED UP WITH CHILDREN BEING KILLED BECAUSE I DON'T I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THIS BEFORE.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU NOW THAT I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW MANY.
IF SOMEBODY HAS A HAS A RV AND THEY PARK IT IN THEIR YARD, I DON'T CARE, I DON'T CARE.
THAT'S THEIR JOB. THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.
WE CAN'T YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO THREAD THIS NEEDLE HERE.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT WE CAN WE CAN GET A LOT OF THIS ACCOMPLISHED BY STARTING AT THE BEGINNING AND JUST BEING BEING SIMPLE AND, AND BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE PREPARED TO FACE THE BACKLASH FROM THE FIRST PERSON WHO GETS FINED AND IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME.
SO BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO ME, IT'S IT'S THE ONE ISSUE IN THIS COUNTY THAT I JUST, I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FIND AN ANSWER TO.
WELL, I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO SOMETHING SO.
AND I'M FINE WITH THE, WITH THE PENALTY SYSTEM.
COME UP WITH A I DON'T THINK IS ANYBODY GOING TO THE JAIL.
SO ANYTHING WE, WE PUT INTO OUR UNSAFE STRUCTURES CODE TO ADDRESS ABANDONED HOUSES OR RV REGULATIONS IN THE ZONING CHAPTER, THEY'RE BOTH SUBJECT TO, IF THERE'S A VIOLATION, A PROCESS OF PUTTING THE PERSON ON NOTICE OF THE VIOLATION, GIVING THEM A REASONABLE TIME TO CORRECT IT.
AND IF THEY DON'T, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH A CIVIL CITATION.
WHICH FIRST OFFENSE IS 500? EACH OFFENSE THEREAFTER IS $1,000.
THEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY THAT FINE, BUT IF THEY PAY THAT FINE, THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN ABATEMENT TO REMOVE THAT VEHICLE OR TEAR THAT HOUSE DOWN WOULD BE TO GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM OUTSIDE OF THAT CIVIL CITATION PROCESS, OR IF THEY DON'T PAY THE FINE, THEN WE CERTAINLY CAN FILE IN DISTRICT COURT.
VERY SHORTLY WHERE THE PERSON IF THEY HAVE THE IF THE COURT FINDS THEY HAVE THE PRESENT ABILITY TO TO FIX THE VIOLATION, THEY CAN BE ORDERED TO FIX IT UNDER THE CONTEMPT POWER OF THE COURT TO ENFORCE THAT THE PERSON MAY HAVE EMPTY POCKETS AND SAY, I HAVE NO ABILITY TO COMPLY WITH FIXING THE VIOLATION, IN WHICH CASE THAT WAS WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPTION AS THE GOVERNMENT
[21:45:09]
TO GO IN AND FIX IT YOURSELF WITH THE COURT HAVING GIVEN YOU THAT OPTION.AND THEN THE COST OF OF HAVING FIXED THE VIOLATIONS BECOMES A LIEN.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS BE DONE BY THE COURT, NOT NOT JUST US UNILATERALLY PUTTING A LIEN IN THE CIRCUIT IN THE LAND RECORDS, BUT HAVE THE COURT BLESS IT, SAY, YES, THIS AMOUNT IS APPROVED BY THE COURT.
IT THEN BECOMES FILED IN THE LAND RECORDS AS A LIEN, WHICH YOU CAN THEN EXECUTE.
SO WE CAN WORKSHOP THAT AS YOU ADD THAT ON.
AND THEN THE PENALTY PART OF IT, YOU KNOW AFTER SO MANY TIMES WE GO INTO THE COURT AND THEN WE PUT IT IF YOU DON'T PAY THEN YOU GO TO A WE CONCEDE YOUR PROPERTY AND DO A TAX SALE. JUST PUT A LIEN ON IT.
TO START. OKAY. SO WE'LL WORK ON SOMETHING WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, AND THEN TAKE A LOOK AT OUR UNSAFE STRUCTURES CODE TO SEE HOW WE CAN AMEND THAT TO ADDRESS THE ABANDONED STRUCTURES.
RIGHT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST AT THAT LIMBO OF BOARDED UP AND SECURE IT UNLESS IT'S IN DANGER OF STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE, THEN WE CONDEMN IT. AND THEN THE COST IS ON THE COUNTY TO CLEAN IT UP AND PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT WE CAN TIGHTEN THAT UP SO THAT WE'RE NOT OUT FINANCIALLY FOR YEARS WITH A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK SO WHAT I HAD WAS FOR FOR THE RVS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF KIND OF WHAT, WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE HERE AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS CAN WEIGH IN, BUT WE WOULD BAN OCCUPIED RVS AND CAMPERS LIVING IN RVS AND CAMPERS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNLESS YOU HAD A PERMIT.
AND THAT PERMIT WOULD BE ISSUED FOR A MAXIMUM OF SIX MONTHS WITH POTENTIAL EXTENSIONS GRANTED IF A LEGITIMATE HARDSHIP COULD BE ESTABLISHED, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEN BE SPECIFIC, A LEGITIMATE HARDSHIP WOULD BE A DELAY IN A HOME CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OR A RENOVATION PROJECT.
AND YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE CONDITIONS RV LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL PERMANENT STRUCTURE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT CODE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, IN THE SRA AND WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM AN OCCUPIED DWELLING, MAYBE TEN FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
THE RV WOULD HAVE TO BE IN GOOD REPAIR AND THEN SPECIFICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T HAVE MOLD GROWING ON IT AND BROKEN AWNINGS AND CAVED IN ROOFS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF.
AND THERE COULDN'T BE ANY SMELL OR HEALTH IMPACTS FROM THE STORAGE OF ANY SEWAGE WASTE FROM THE AND NO VIOLATIONS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. OKAY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE START SOMEWHERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE MAY NOT HAVE TO TWEAK THIS.
SO I WANT TO ADDRESS CRITICAL AREAS AS WELL.
IF IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FALLS INTO CRITICAL AREA.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S I DON'T THINK THAT WILL IMPACT ANY REGULATIONS WITH THE CRITICAL AREAS.
IT'S TREATED LIKE A AS A VEHICLE WOULD BE.
RIGHT? I MEAN, UNLESS WE WERE TO SAY IT'S A PERMANENT RESIDENCE THAT YOU'RE SETTING UP SHOP IN, RIGHT? I SIMPLY SAID IT'S A COUNTY OPTION.
I KNEW IT WOULDN'T VIOLATE OKAY.
CRITICAL AREA. I'M NOT REALLY.
I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO SET UP A HUNTING CABIN OR SOMETHING, LIKE.
OR A HUNTING CAMPER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'D BE A PROBLEM, SO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A START.
YEAH. I MEAN, SIX MONTHS IS SIX MONTHS.
[21:50:01]
I MEAN, WHETHER IT BE HUNTING OR OUTSIDE OF A PERMIT, I MEAN, JANUARY 29TH OR WHATEVER.SO OUTSIDE OF A PERMIT BEING GRANTED FOR SOMEONE FOR TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY NOT ALLOWED TO BE.
AND I LIKE THE LANGUAGE OF SOMERSET.
AND YOU HAVE THEY WOULD ELIMINATE LIKE IF YOU THE PROBLEM IS WITH WHAT I JUST SUGGESTED IS IF YOU COME AND BRING A CAMPER FOR TWO MONTHS, A YEAR OR TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, A YEAR, IT'S TECHNICALLY BREAKING WHAT I JUST SAID WITHOUT A PERMIT.
THAT'S WHY SOMERSET ADDRESSED IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SET IT UP YEARLY FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT DOES COME INTO THE EQUATION.
IF YOU'VE GOT FAMILY FROM OUT OF TOWN OR FRIENDS THAT BRING THEIR RV AND THEY COME UP TO VISIT FOR 2 OR 3 WEEKS AND THEY WANT TO PARK IN YOUR YARD, I MEAN, WE COULD SAY PERMITS WOULD NOT BE ISSUED FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS IN A THREE YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT OVER A.
SO YOU GET TWO MONTHS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, A YEAR.
RV RVS USE FOR HUNTING IS NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.
NOW THAT ARE FALLING DOWN, IS THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? WHATEVER WE DO WITH RVS FOR HUNTING, I'M.
THIS IS HUNTING, SO I DON'T NEED A PERMIT.
SO THE DILAPIDATED HOUSES, HOW WOULD HOW DO HOW ARE WE APPROACH THAT? I THINK WE, WE LOOK AT CLEANING UP OUR UNSAFE STRUCTURES CODE AND BUT DO WE.
ALL RIGHT. AND TAKE OUT THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN DANGER OF COLLAPSING IN ORDER TO BE CONDEMNED? WELL, HERE'S HERE'S THE OTHER THING.
IF IT'S A FARMHOUSE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A 300 ACRE FIELD, OR IT'S A HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND ONE OF OUR RURAL VILLAGES, WE GOT TO TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY.
WE DO HAVE A EXCEPTION IN OUR UNSAFE STRUCTURES THAT DWELLINGS LOCATED ON FARM PROPERTIES ARE EXEMPT FROM THE UNSAFE STRUCTURES CODE, AND WE COULD REMOVE THAT.
I LIKE THAT IDEA. WE COULD WE COULD ADD AN ACREAGE IN THERE.
IT'S IT'S WITHIN 50FT OF A PROPERTY LINE.
YEAH. I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD DO THAT WITHIN THAT MAKES IT MORE IMPACTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER THAN THE HOUSE THAT'S SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 50 ACRES, THAT THE DENSER THE POPULATION, THE MORE THE GREATER THE PROBLEM.
I AGREE, IF IT'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A 130 ACRE FARM, I DON'T.
SO THAT DOES IT SAY HOUSES AND STRUCTURES, LIKE I'M SAYING LIKE A BARN.
WELL, MY WELL MY SUGGESTION, WELL MY SUGGESTION WAS DILAPIDATED, ABANDONED AND OR CONDEMNED STRUCTURES WITHIN 50FT OF A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINE MUST BE DEMOLISHED AND REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY.
WAS 50FT SUFFICIENT? WE CAN START THERE. WE CAN DRAFT SOMETHING UP THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTS THAT SETBACK THERE AND THEN TALK ABOUT IT.
YOU GOT TO TEAR DOWN A THREE YEAR OLD HOUSE NOW.
THE SMART PEOPLE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS WE HAVE FOR WHAT'S DEEMED UNSAFE OR UNINHABITABLE.
RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT DETERMINES THAT.
YEAH. AND I MEAN, ARE WE READY TO SAY ARE WE REALLY.
ARE WE READY TO REGULATE THE HEIGHT OF OF GRASS.
BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE BANK OWNED PROPERTIES.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT TEND TO BE THE PROBLEM.
SO. RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO START WITH THE ABANDONED PROPERTIES FOR ONE.
TREES THIS BIG NOW GROWING UP IN THE YARD AND GRASS 18IN, TWO FEET TALL.
[21:55:04]
I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S AN AWFUL I MEAN, I DON'T WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, I ASSUME.BUT YOU KNOW, THE TWO PROPERTIES.
HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT ON A LONG ROAD BUT GOT POINTED OUT TO ME DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S ONE ON THE LEFT.
I MEAN THERE'S NICE HOMES AROUND THOSE TWO.
IT'S THE ONE. I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT BANKING PROPERTIES IN, IN IN YOUR CODE.
NO, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE GOING TO CONSIDER.
ADDRESSING WAS FORECLOSED PROPERTIES.
WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO SINGLE THAT OUT FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF A THE YARD AND.
WELL, THE USUAL SCENARIO IS AFTER A FORECLOSURE.
THE TRUSTEE CONVEYS TITLE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
SOMETIMES THE HIGHEST BIDDER IS THE CREDITOR OF THE BANK ITSELF.
SO IT BUYS IT IN AT THE FORECLOSURE SALE.
AND AT THAT POINT JUST HAS IT KEEPS IT ON ITS INVENTORY AS A RECORD PROPERTY THAT WE OWN.
AND SOMETIMES THEY RETAIN A REAL ESTATE AGENT TO TRY TO SELL IT FAIRLY QUICKLY.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT EVEN HAVE IT INSURED AT THAT POINT.
SO IT'S IT'S I THINK WHAT YOU SIMPLY RESTRICTED TO IS IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHO OWNS IT.
YOU DEFINE HOW THEY'RE TREATING IT, HOW THEY'RE WHAT CONDITION IT'S IN.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN DO SIMPLY WITHOUT GETTING TO LIBRARY? THE THE GRASS, THE GRASS THING? I'M JUST WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU LARRY SAYS, HEY, WE NEED TO DRESS PAIN THE PROPERTY TO START WITH THERE.
AND THEN WE SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO START WITH THE RVS TOO.
SO NOW WE'RE SAYING, HEY, LET'S DO THE GRASS.
SO NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE, HEY, LET'S DO THIS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GET STARTED, WE NEED TO GET STARTED ON SOMETHING LIKE LIKE YOU SAID.
SO NOW WE'VE DONE NAME THREE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED ON.
NOW IT'S THE LIST KEEP GROWING BY THE TIME WE GET DONE HERE.
YES, BECAUSE GRASS CAN BE TRICKY BECAUSE WE ARE RURAL AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LARGE PROPERTIES OF LAND WHERE SOMEONE MAY MAINTAIN THEIR IMMEDIATE AREA OF THEIR HOME AND THE REST IS LEFT IN MEADOW.
THE THE STUFF THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING, YOU KNOW, FROM PEOPLE THEY HAVE THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED IN MUNICIPALITIES, WE HAVE WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM RURAL VILLAGE LOTS, WHICH CAN BE AS SMALL AS, WHAT, A HALF ACRE.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT I MEAN, FOX GRAPE FARMS HAS A HALF ACRE LOTS THAT WE'RE REGULATING ALL THE WAY UP TO 600 ACRE FARMS. SO IT ONE SIZE FITS ALL IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR US.
SO IT'S GOT TO BE REGULATED, I THINK ON PROPERTY SIZE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN LITTLE BITS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO SOME RV STUFF AND, AND THE ABANDONED PROPERTY, ABANDONED HOMES, NOT ABANDONED PROPERTIES BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS IS TAKE A, TAKE A RIDE DOWN THE FEDERALSBURG AND GO DOWN OLD DENTON ROAD JUST BEFORE YOU GET INTO TOWN.
YES, IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU MUNICIPALITIES A COMPLETE PASS EITHER.
IF I CAN TAKE YOU INTO SOME TOWNS TO SHOW YOU SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AS WELL.
SO YOU TAKE A LITTLE QUARTER ACRE LOT AND YOU TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN.
IT'S ON IT. YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT LOT BECOMES WORTH NOTHING BECAUSE YOU'LL NEVER GET AN SRE.
YOU NEVER GET A SEWAGE RESERVE AREA.
NOW, IF YOU IF YOU REVAMP THE HOUSE, I THINK I THINK THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE THERE'S PROVISIONS REGULATIONS HAS TO ISSUE YOU SOME TYPE OF PERMIT.
BUT IF IT'S BEEN A TIME PERIOD, YOU GOT TO SHOW UTILITY BILLS OR SOMETHING THAT IT'S BEEN OCCUPIED.
[22:00:01]
SO WE MAY WANT TO DO SOME RESEARCH SO THAT WE'RE NOT WHATEVER WHATEVER MDE HAS IN PLACE, WE DON'T DISTURB IT.THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE THEY OWN THEM.
I MEAN, THERE ARE THERE ARE PROPERTIES.
THE PROPERTY THAT WAS LOCATED NEXT TO THE EXETER HOUSE THAT WE REMEMBER, ALL THAT WE WENT THROUGH, ALL THAT TO, TO GET THAT THROUGH TAX SALE TO, YOU KNOW, GET IT SO THAT THEY COULD HEAR, HEAR.
THEY HAD A HOUSE THAT YOU COULDN'T EVEN SEE BECAUSE OF OVERGROWTH AND STUFF.
I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF A BANK REPOSSESSES A PROPERTY AND LETS IT FALL INTO DISREPAIR, IT HAS THREE FOOT GRASS, I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE CAN PUBLICIZE THE FACT THAT THE BANK OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
AND, I MEAN, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BANKS.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HARD TO LOCATE AND HARD TO DEAL WITH.
WE HAVE THE PROPERTY UP NORTH THAT WENT TO AUCTION AND IT'S SOME LLC PROPERTY.
THE NAME YOU CAN TELL THEY BUY PROPERTIES BASED ON THE NAME OF THE LLC.
AND WE WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE, BUT WE THINK THEY HAVE SQUATTERS THAT HAVE KIND OF THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE THERE, WHICH TELLS YOU THAT THEY DON'T EVEN PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THEY BOUGHT WAS BURNED OUT UP THERE DOWN TO THE STUDS AND GUY LIVING IN IT.
SO I MEAN, I KNOW ON HENDERSON ROAD, HENDERSON.
WELL, THERE'S ONE ON HIGHWAY TWO FOR A WHILE, RIGHT? OKAY. JAMIE'S HANDLING IT SO WELL, WE JUST FIGURED WE'D PILE A BUNCH ON YOUTUBE.
OKAY. SO ABANDONED HOUSES, RVS.
THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO START.
ROBIN, YOU WANT TO COME UP NEXT OR.
WAS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE ISSUE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY.
IS THAT THE RV THING YOU'RE TALKING? YEAH, YEAH. RIGHT NOW, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL, BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PERMANENT VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT HAVE REALLY CAME RECENTLY, BUT THEY WANT TO COME AND VISIT FOR A WEEK OR SO.
SO YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE LIMITS YOU'RE PUTTING.
THE RVS THAT ARE LICENSED AND ARE MOBILE.
THE ONES YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IS WHEN THEY START STACKING THEM IN THE WOODS, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, AND BUILDING SHEDS UP IN BETWEEN AND BUILDING OUTDOOR TOILETS NEXT TO THEM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF GETS OUT OF THE RV THING, BUT BE VERY CAREFUL ON THE RV WORDING BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PERMANENT RV WAS NOT JUST BECAUSE CAMPING WORLD IS OVERLOADED EVERY PLACE WITH CAMPING TRAILERS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE, MAYBE WE SAY FOR A WEEK AT A TIME OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY SAY TWO WEEKS.
THEY MAY COME IF THEY'RE COMING HERE FROM WILD AND THEY MAY WANT TO STAY A MONTH AND.
WELL, THEN THE THING FOR THEM TO DO OR FOR WHOEVER THEY'RE VISITING TO DO IS PICK UP THE PHONE CALL INTO PLANNING CODES AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE VISITING ME FOR A MONTH. THEY'RE GOING TO BE STAYING IN THEIR IN THEIR RV.
HERE'S THE HERE'S THE MAKE OF IT.
THAT'S UP TO THEM TO DO THAT'S POSSIBLE AND COMING TO GET A PERMIT THAT WAY IT'S TRACKED.
JUST LIKE IF YOU WENT TO THE CAMPGROUND AND JUST THE CAMPING PERMIT FOR THE TWO WEEKS.
AND I WILL MENTION IS I'VE HAD LITTLE EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
WHEN YOU'RE USING ACREAGE AS A BASIS, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE CORRECT DEFINITION OF AGRICULTURAL ACREAGE OR FARMS. IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM OVER THE MANY YEARS.
FARMS USED TO BE BIG FARMS, AND IT GOT TO BE LITTLE FARMS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE CHICKEN FARMS THAT ARE 20 BY 20 LOTS.
RIGHT. AND THEY'RE CALLING IT A BARN, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS GOT TEN ACRES OUT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GROUND, AND THEY ARE STILL FARMING MAYBE EIGHT ACRES OF IT AND LIVING ON THE OTHER THREE OR.
EVERYTHING IS STILL THERE, STILL IN THE AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS.
YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
YEAH. OKAY, WELL, I'M COMING ON BEHALF OF DAY SPRINGS.
[22:05:08]
BRIDGE, MARYLAND. MY NAME IS LEAGER HARRIS.WE TALKED TO DAVID PUBLIC WORKS AND REIBLY ABOUT THE WATER SITUATION, AND HE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF HE CAN GET AUTHORIZATION OR APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSIONERS SO HE CAN GO IN AND TEST THE WATER IN THOSE APARTMENTS, BECAUSE HE THINKS IT COULD BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE PIPES OR ANYTHING.
HE SAID HE TRIED TO COME, BUT HE DIDN'T GET TOTAL IMPROVEMENT FROM FROM EVERYONE TO OKAY.
YEAH. SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THEY TOLD HIM HE COULD HAVE ACCESS.
OKAY. THEY HAVE TRIED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, OR I SHOULD SAY THEY'VE BEEN MOVING THINGS, BUT NO IMPROVEMENT BACK THERE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE INTO INVOLVED WITH THE OWNERS, NOT THE OWNERS.
THE WHAT'S THE LADY'S NAME? MANAGEMENT. THE MANAGEMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
AND I'M SAME AS MR. HARRIS. I AM HERE ON THE BEHALF OF CHICKEN BRIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE.
THE COMMISSIONERS TO THIS EVENT.
THANK YOU SIR. AND THE ASSOCIATION? WE ARE GROWING STRONGER AND STRONGER EVERY WEEK.
AS OF NOW, WE HAVE AT LEAST 30 MEMBERS, WHICH IS DAY SPRINGS AND SCHOOL STREET.
AND ALSO WE WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE SPEED BUMPS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNS.
OUR QUESTION, AND I'M TALKING ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION IS HOW MUCH IS THE SPEED BUMP? BECAUSE WE'RE WE CAN EVEN GET TOGETHER AND RAISE THE MONEY.
THIS IS HOW SERIOUS WE ARE ABOUT OUR STREET.
SO WE WANTED TO KNOW WHERE YOU WERE WITH THE SIGNS.
WE DID TALK ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO FUNDRAISERS.
LAST NIGHT WE HAD A TENANT MEETING, AND THERE WAS SOME COMPLAINTS AGAIN, ABOUT DAY SPRINGS.
AT FIRST WHEN WE WERE HERE, AND THEY START WORKING REALLY FAST.
THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF STUFF.
INSPECTIONS WAS SUPPOSED TO START.
THEY GAVE THEM, SAID IT WAS GOING TO COME OUT AND DO INSPECTIONS.
NO ONE HAS BEEN BACK TO THOSE HOMES, TO THOSE APARTMENTS.
THERE'S ELECTRIC OUTLETS THAT ARE NOT EVEN WORKING.
MANAGEMENT IS TELLING THEM THEY'LL GET TO IT.
THEY'RE STILL SPRAYING BLEACH OVER MOLD.
MANAGEMENT AND MILFORD IS BEING VERY UNPROFESSIONAL, AND I CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
I CALLED THEM MYSELF, AND SHE WAS VERY UNPROFESSIONAL.
WHO WAS SHE? I CAN'T THINK OF HER NAME.
I MEAN, WELL, I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU, BUT SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S IN CHARGE OF MANAGEMENT.
THIS IS THE TENANTS THAT WERE COMPLAINING THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE OFFICE TALK TO JOHN.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN OUT TO OTHER TENANTS.
ALSO, HE SAYS JOHN, AN EMPLOYEE OF MILFORD HOUSING.
NO, HE'S THE ONE THAT'S IN CHARGE OF DAYSPRING.
HE'S THE MANAGER BACK AT DAY SPRINGS.
HE'S IN MAINTENANCE. HE'S EAST COAST PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
YES. YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT? YEAH. AND ALSO, PEOPLE'S RENT IS GOING UP, AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY GIVING THEM A REAL REASON WHY THE RENT IS GOING UP.
ALSO, THE ACTIVITY ROOM IS NOW BEING USED AS A STORAGE ROOM.
AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT IF THEY WANT TO KNOW WHY, THEY CANNOT USE THAT THERE TO TALK TO MANAGEMENT.
STILL NO CAMERAS? ONE OF THE TENANTS HAD GAVE OFFER HER RING CAMERA.
SHE GAVE A WHERE THERE WAS SHOOTING GOING ON AT DAY SPRINGS.
THEY DID CALL THE POLICE, BUT POLICE ARE STILL NOT COMING OUT VERY OFTEN.
SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WAS DOING THE SHOOTING ARE STILL HANGING AT BAY SPRINGS.
WE GOT PEOPLE WHO WERE SHOOTING, HANGING OUT AT DAY SPRINGS.
[22:10:04]
THERE WAS SOME SHOOTING WITH A GUN OR NO, WITH A GUN.WHAT WAS THAT MR. HARRIS, IT WAS LIKE TWO MONTHS AGO.
SOME OF THE TENANTS HAVE STILL DO NOT HAVE ANY LEASE.
JOHN SAID HE'S TOO BUSY TO GIVE IT TO HIM.
CAN I CAN I JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND? YES YOU CAN. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE MANAGEMENT ISSUES.
THEY ARE THEY THERE IS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT IS HIRED TO TO MANAGE DAYSPRING.
OKAY. THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS, WOULD BE TO FIRE THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND BRING ANOTHER MANAGEMENT COMPANY IN TO OPERATE THAT PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ABOUT TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP OF DAYSPRING TO A NEW OWNERSHIP ENTITY.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF OF DISCUSSING THAT PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, MY, MY BUSINESS WAS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I DID FOR 30 YEARS.
THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AS FAR AS RENTS GOING UP.
IF RENTS ARE GOING UP, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO RENEW LEASES ON A YEARLY BASIS AND TO DESCRIBE AND EXPLAIN WHY RENTS ARE GOING UP, IF THAT'S NOT GOING ON, AND IF THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, THEN THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS NOT DOING ITS JOB.
SO I'M GOING TO WANT YOU TO GO ON WITH YOUR LIST.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN.
AND GET AN A NAME OF A PERSON THAT YOU.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DOCUMENTED.
AND IT'S EITHER EMAIL OR TEXT.
NO LONGER JUST SAYING EVERYTHING IS DOCUMENTED.
ALSO, THERE'S STILL COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BUILDINGS.
SOME OF THEM ARE NOT BEING FIXED.
YOU STILL GOT MOLD? LAST NIGHT WAS A PICTURE SHOWN WHERE A CEILING WAS COMING DOWN, AND THEY USED BLACK TAPE TO GO AROUND THE CEILING TO HOLD IT UP UNTIL THEY GOT BACK. IT'S BEEN A IT'S.
THIS HAPPENED FEBRUARY THE 19TH.
NO ONE'S EVER BEEN BACK TO THAT PLACE YET.
AND ACTUALLY, HE SAID HE DIDN'T MIND EVEN TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT APARTMENT THIS IS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE COMING TO US AT THE MEETINGS AND THINGS ARE NOT GETTING ANY BETTER.
SO MY QUESTION, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THE COMMISSIONERS ARE THE ONES THAT YOU NEED TO TALK TO.
WHAT KIND OF COMMITMENT? WHAT CAN I TELL THESE PEOPLE? WHAT OUR NEXT MEETING ON NEXT MONDAY, WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE? GOOD. SO THE COMMISSIONER PORTER'S POINT.
SO WE ENGAGE WITH EAST COAST PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AS OBVIOUSLY THE MANAGER OF THE THE TOWNHOMES.
ITEMS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP TODAY ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT.
WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM ACTIVELY FOR THE PAST 2 OR 3 MONTHS NOW.
TRYING TO BRING UP ISSUES LIKE THESE.
SO I THINK THE BEST THING IN THE COMMITMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE IS STAFF.
AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE IS ALSO ADDRESSING THE ISSUES WITH THEM.
I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO ENGAGE WITH EAST COAST PROPERTY AND TRY TO MAKE THIS A, I MEAN, A BETTER RELATIONSHIP AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S TRULY GOING ON. BUT HAVING THESE TYPES OF SCENARIOS, HAVING THE PICTURES, HAVING THE DOCUMENTATION WHERE WE CAN START TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THEM AND START ASKING WHY CERTAIN THINGS AREN'T BEING ADDRESSED AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THESE THINGS ARE GOING ON.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE YOU MY CARD, GIVE YOU MY EMAIL.
[22:15:01]
THE UNFORTUNATE PART ABOUT THIS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A THING WHERE YOU LEAVE HERE TODAY, AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THERE'S 15 EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY THERE GOING THROUGH THE LIST. BUT BUT TO THAT, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO RELAY AND ADVOCATE ON THE BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, OURSELVES AND THE RESIDENTS THERE.AND I THINK, I THINK TO BE REALISTIC, I THINK THE BACKGROUND, WHICH I HAVE LEARNED SINCE I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THIS, THE COUNTY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT THROUGH A RENTAL PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT PROGRAM BACK IN 1993.
THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT THROUGH INTERFAITH HOUSING.
INTERFAITH HOUSING IS NO LONGER IN BUSINESS.
SO THE COUNTY HAS BECAUSE OF THE PARTNER RENTAL PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM STRUCTURE, THE COUNTY HAS TO REMAIN IN AN OWNERSHIP CAPACITY IN ORDER FOR THE PROPERTY OR THE PROJECT TO BE THERE OR TO BE BUILT AND TO BE OPERATED.
IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE MONEY, WE HAD TO BE IN OWNERSHIP.
THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN 1993 HAD NO INTENTIONS OF BEING IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT BUSINESS.
AND WE WE AND WE NOW DON'T WANT TO BE IN IT EITHER.
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE RENT STRUCTURE IS THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A SUBSIDIZED PROPERTY.
DO YOU KNOW IT IS IT'S SUBSIDIZED.
IS IT SECTION EIGHT? YES. OR IS THERE A SECTION EIGHT? I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE.
THEY PAY RENT AND THEN THAT SUBSIDIZED WHEREVER THAT COUNT GOES TO.
I'M NOT AWARE OF. SO IT IS SUBSIDIZED.
SO THE TENANT PAYS A PORTION OF THEIR MONTHLY INCOME FOR RENT AND THE BALANCE IS SUBSIDIZED.
YES. OKAY. SO SECTION EIGHT CONTRACTS ARE ENTERED INTO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PROJECT BASED.
SO IF YOU IF YOU LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AND YOU MOVE OUT, THE NEXT PERSON WHO MOVES IN HAS TO QUALIFY FROM AN INCOME STANDPOINT AND THAT SUBSIDY GOES WITH THAT UNIT, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.
THAT IS CORRECT. RIGHT. SO THE THE ONLY WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO, TO WORK WITH THE, WITH DHCD, WHICH WE HAVE HAD A MEETING WITH A TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP FROM THE FROM THE COUNTY TO A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND, AND NOT ONLY PROVIDE MANAGEMENT SERVICES TO THE PROPERTY, BUT BE IN THE POSITION TO GO OUT AND OBTAIN MONEY THROUGH SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM, THROUGH SOME TYPE OF GRANT PROGRAM, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM TO RENOVATE THE UNITS.
THOSE UNITS ARE BUILT IN 1993.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT'S 93 TO HOW MANY YEARS? MORE THAN 30 YEARS.
ALL THE PATCHING AND DUCT TAPE IN THE WORLD ISN'T GOING TO ISN'T GOING TO REPAIR.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A RENOVATION, A COMPLETE.
YES. I LIKE YOUR IDEA, MR. PORTER, ABOUT TRANSFERRING TO A NON FOR PROFIT.
BUT I JUST KIND OF WONDER HOW LONG WOULD A PROCESS LIKE THAT TAKE? ONLY BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THERE IS A WATER ISSUE BACK THERE, BUT THAT'S WITH RIDGELY, RIGHT? SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PROCESS AND HOLD AND TRYING TO ADDRESS BOTH THE ISSUES, IT'S WHICH ONE IS GOING TO TAKE THE LONGEST, LIKE HOW LONG WOULD THAT PROCESS TAKE, IF THAT'S THE ROUTE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO STAND UP AND TAKE OVER? KIA. RIGHT. YOU CALL ME KIA? YES, SIR. SO KIA, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU IN ORDER FOR THIS, IN ORDER FOR THIS TRANSITION TO TAKE PLACE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A SIGN OFF FROM RELEASE OF THE THE RENTAL PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO SAY YOU CAN TRANSFER THIS PROPERTY, THE COUNTY CAN TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT WITHOUT HAVING YOU.
THE DEAL RIGHT NOW IS IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T OWN IT, THE MORTGAGE GETS PAID BACK.
SO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IN THAT PHONE CONVERSATION WAS THAT'S FOREVER.
[22:20:04]
YES. YEAH.SO MY, MY OPINION IS WELL YOU KNOW BUT BUT LOOK THE THE FEELING, THE FEELING HERE IS IN THIS COUNTY IS THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, WE BUILT AND AND MANAGED RIDGELY MEADOWS, THE ELDERLY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IF THERE IS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS COUNTY, IF YOU GO IN TODAY AND PUT YOUR NAME ON A WAITING LIST AT ANY OF THESE ELDERLY APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THE CHANCES ARE YOU PROBABLY WON'T LIVE TO LIVE IN THE UK BECAUSE THEY DO NOT TURN OVER PEOPLE, MOVE INTO THEM.
THEY STAY THERE TILL THEY EITHER CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES OR THEY PASS AWAY.
OKAY, SO SO TO ANSWER YOUR I GOT OFF TRACK.
NO. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF WE IF WE ARE ABLE AND THEY THEY ARE WORKING ON YOU KNOW THE ANSWER WE GOT WAS WHICH FRANKLY SHOCKED ME TO NO END WAS YEAH, YEAH, RIGHT.
THEN THEY CAN GO OUT AND SECURE THE MONEY TO DO THE RENOVATION.
SO BUT HERE, HERE, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE KEY.
WHO IS THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT'S GOING TO COME IN AND TAKE THAT OVER AND TAKE OVER.
AND ARE THEY GOING TO HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE QUALIFIED TO MANAGE IT AND TO TAKE CARE OF THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN THAT IN THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX? SO WE WE FEEL THAT THERE ARE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT THAT WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME IN, TAKE IT OVER, RENOVATE IT.
THE ANSWER THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, WHAT IF THE HCA DHCD SAYS NO? BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE OVER THE YEARS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS YOU, OH YEAH, NO PROBLEM, IT'S USUALLY A PROBLEM.
WHAT IF THEY COME IN AND SAY, NO, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO OWN IT FOREVER? YES. THEN WHAT DO WE DO? BOND BILLS.
BOND BILLS, IF THE COUNTY IS GOING TO THE COUNTY HAS A BONDING LIMIT LENDING LIMIT THAT WE CAN LEND.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IN MY OPINION, THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX SHOULD BE OWNED BY AN ENTITY THAT IS GOING TO RENOVATE IT AND IS GOING TO MANAGE IT, OR TO ENTER OR TO BRING A MANAGEMENT ENTITY IN WHO IS GOING TO MANAGE IT PROPERLY.
BUT WHEN YOU SIT THERE AS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND YOU'RE SAYING TO YOURSELF, WE GOT $7 MILLION WORTH OF WORK TO DO, AND WE GOT $150,000 IN THE RESERVE ACCOUNT, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES.
WHY NOT HIRE A NEW MANAGEMENT COMPANY? I MEAN, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK THERE, JUST THE MIDDLE PERSON.
RIGHT? AND WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS AS LONG AS THE COUNTY OWNS.
THE PROPERTY, OKAY? THAT IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND IF WE I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, IF WE REACH A POINT WHERE WE FEEL THAT THE CURRENT THAT THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW EITHER CAN'T OR WON'T DO THE JOB, THEN THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
OKAY, OKAY. BUT ARE THEY NOT ARE THEY NOT DOING IT BECAUSE THE MONEY'S NOT THERE TO DO IT? OR ARE THEY NOT DOING IT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO OR THEY DON'T, OR THEY AREN'T WILLING TO HIRE STAFF, MANAGERS AND MAINTENANCE PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK? WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT, AND I DO WANT TO GET YOUR CARD.
YES. I HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD NEED AS FAR AS PICTURES, LETTERS, I HAVE ALL OF THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS ASSOCIATION THAT WE HAVE NOW STARTED.
BUT EVEN AS FAR AS THE TREES, PEOPLE COMPLAINING LAST NIGHT THAT THE BUSHES ARE SO HIGH TO THEIR WINDOWS, FEMALES ARE CUTTING THEIR OWN BUSHES BECAUSE MANAGEMENT IS NOT DOING THAT.
THE MAINTENANCE IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THAT.
AND THEY HAVE TRASH THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP.
AND AS THEY SAY, IT'S NOT THEIR JOB, BUT THEY'RE OUTSIDE PICKING UP TRASH AROUND DAY SPRINGS.
[22:25:02]
AND NOT ONLY THAT, THERE HAS BEEN PEOPLE IN LIKE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTED TO VOLUNTEER AND COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE HOURS AND CLEAN UP.AND THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED THAT AS WELL.
THERE USED TO BE THREE DUMPSTERS BACK THERE.
WE HAD A MEETING IN THIS ROOM WITH THE PRESIDENT THE THE PRESIDENT AND THE REGIONAL MANAGER OF EAST COAST PROPERTY MANAGEMENT SHORTLY AFTER YOU CAME IN LAST TIME.
WE WENT THROUGH THE ISSUES THAT YOU BROUGHT IN WHEN YOU WERE IN HERE BEFORE.
THEY HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF TRASH PICKUPS.
THEY WENT FROM TWO PICKUPS A WEEK TO THREE PICKUPS A WEEK.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
YES. SO YOU I THINK YOU JUST MET WITH THEM.
OH WELL, NO, IT WAS COMMISSIONER PORTER WAS REPRESENTING.
IT WAS, BUT WE WERE LOSING MY MIND IF I WAS THERE.
WELL, WELL, WE WENT THROUGH THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED BEFORE.
OKAY. TO TO FROM TWO, TWO TIMES TO THREE TIMES WHAT WE WERE WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS PEOPLE WILL WALK UP TO THE DUMPSTERS AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE BAGS IN THE DUMPSTERS, THEY THROW THEM ON THE GROUND.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THEY ARE STILL BEING RAN OVER WITH TRASH ON THE SIDE.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT RIGHT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT BUT IT NEEDS TO GO.
BUT CAROLINE COUNTY COPS COME BACK THERE HERE AND THERE.
SO WHY HAVEN'T THEY TICKETED THE VEHICLE.
WELL THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION WE NEED TO GET AN ANSWER TO.
AND THEY HAVE MOVED A LOT OF THE VEHICLES.
THEY HAVE. I DEFINITELY WOULD SAY THAT THAT HAS HELPED A LITTLE.
BUT SO IT YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF IF WE CANNOT TRANSFER THIS PROPERTY TO A, AN APPROVED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WILL APPROVE AS THE NEW OWNERS.
RIGHT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME IN TO BUY A PROPERTY LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY YOURSELF AS AN ENTITY THAT CAN COME IN LIKE YOU COULDN'T GET TO GET.
WELL, YOU COULD TRY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD GET TOGETHER A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND SAY, WE ARE NOW THE RIGIDLY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY DAYSPRING AND BUY IT.
YOU COULD TRY TO DO THAT, BUT WHAT WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THERE ARE RENTAL SUBSIDIES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THAT PROPERTY, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE THE GROUP THAT COMES IN TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY.
TO BE QUALIFIED OWNERS, YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO OPERATE THE PROPERTY.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IF WE FIND OUT WE CAN'T TRANSFER THAT PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY REMAINS.
I DON'T KNOW. SO, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS UP FRONT.
SO THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE DETAILING CONTINUING PROBLEMS, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT TO US IN AS MUCH DETAIL AND AS MUCH DOCUMENTATION AS YOU CAN, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO DETERMINE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
THE SO TO SPEAK, I'M I'M GOING TO COME OUT AGAINST A SPEED BUMP.
IT'S HARD FOR SNOWPLOWS AND MAINTENANCE WHEN WE DO THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT WE CAN'T.
IS THERE? NO. IS THERE NO SPEED LIMIT SIGN THERE RIGHT NOW? THERE'S NO SPEED LIMIT SIGN.
BUT, ROBIN, CAN WE GET A SIGN UP? I TALKED TO HER. YOU'RE GOOD.
OKAY. THEY GO FROM DAY SPRINGS STRAIGHT ON THROUGH TO THE STOP SIGN.
AND I'LL ALSO TALK TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.
I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE SHERIFF.
HE'S ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT I CAN ASK HIM TO GO OUT THERE AND DO SOME ENFORCEMENT ON SPEED.
[22:30:04]
NO, I SEE THEM.I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE SOMEBODY CRASHED INTO MY DAD'S TREE.
HIS HOUSE IS NOT THAT FAR FROM THE ROAD, AND I'M WORRIED SOMEBODY MIGHT CRASH.
OR. OH, YEAH. NO, IT'S A FOUR WAY.
I SPOKE WITH SHERIFF BAKER ABOUT PUTTING A TRAILER.
I THINK WE HAVE TWO SPEED TRAILERS.
IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A PERMANENT FIX.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT SPEED TRAP CAMERAS OVER THERE? I'LL DING HIM AGAIN.
I THINK IT'S GOT TO BE WITHIN A SCHOOL.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
WELL, THERE'S A GRANT OUT CALLED THE COMMUNITY AND SAFETY WORKS.
ME AND ANOTHER NOT FOR PROFIT APPLIED FOR THE RIDGELY PARK.
AND THEY DO HAVE THE LIGHTING AND CAMERA GRANT WRAPPED IN THAT.
AND THAT GRANT IS USED TO ADDRESS ISSUES LIKE THIS IN THE COMMUNITY.
YEAH, BUT I THINK MARYLAND STATE LAW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN JUST PUT AUTOMATIC TICKET.
I DON'T YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE GOT TO BE SO MANY.
WHAT HE'S SAYING. IT'S GOT TO BE SO MANY FEET WITHIN A SCHOOL.
YEAH. OR IN A WORK ZONE, I THINK.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE COUNTY'S.
I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNTIES CAN DO IT.
SO THEY'RE ADDRESSING MORE OF THE TENANTS AND THE BUILDING.
I WANT TO ADDRESS A BIGGER ISSUE.
IT'S THE WATER OVER THERE BECAUSE CURRENTLY I'M GETTING READY.
I'M READY TO GET TO THAT PROPERTY.
YOU ALREADY GET TO THAT. I'M GOING TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM.
DANNY. WHO WAS OUR TESTING? THAT DOES JAMESTOWN.
IT IS DAVID AND YOUNG, WHICH IS WASTEWATER WATER SOLUTIONS.
CAN WE CAN WE GET THEM? CAN YOU COORDINATE WITH MILFORD HOUSING AND GET THEM OVER THERE TO TAKE A WATER SAMPLE INSIDE OF ONE OF THE UNITS? YEAH. OKAY. AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP TO TO THE TOWN AS WELL.
YEAH I HAVE THE TOWN HAVE DAVE GET THE SAME THING.
WE'LL HAVE TWO SAMPLES SENT OFF.
TO THE POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP PRIOR TO.
WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH EAST COAST.
WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN ABOUT TRYING TO GET THEM COORDINATED.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MISCOMMUNICATION.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL WE'LL TAKE WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
WE'LL COVER THAT COST ON OUR SIDE.
IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S AT FAULT OR WHATEVER.
THE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT, YES, Y'ALL DO OWN THOSE APARTMENTS.
WELL AND RICHLY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE WITH A LOT OF FAILING SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN THAT AREA AND THE WATER PUMP, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE TWO APARTMENTS WERE BUILT IN BETWEEN THIS WATER TREATMENT PLANT OR PUMP.
I DON'T SEE NO COMMUNITY IN CAROLINE COUNTY THAT'S BUILT ON TOP OF A WATER WASTE TREATMENT PLANT, BUT THIS BLACK COMMUNITY, AND IT WORRIES ME BECAUSE I LIVE. BACK THERE.
AND OVER THE YEARS I SAW THIS WATER RAISE.
I SEE THE PUMP WATER COMING OUT WHEN IT'S RAINING.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT THIS WATER IS GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE IF OUR LEADERSHIP DOESN'T WORK TOGETHER, RIDGELY AND CAROLINE COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISPLACED COMMUNITY OVER THERE BECAUSE OF THE WATER AND THE PIPES.
SO YES, WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
BACK THERE YOU WERE AND I WERE GETTING READY TO TALK BEFORE YOU START CONDEMNING ME.
YOU WERE GETTING READY TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER SYSTEM.
I TOOK CARE OF IT. WE'VE SPENT A HALF HOUR ON THIS.
OKAY? SO DON'T SIT DOWN THERE AND CONDEMN OR SAY THAT I'M.
WHY ARE YOU PERCEIVING? I DIDN'T SAY I ATTACKED YOU.
AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
I'M SPEAKING. TRAVIS, I GIVE YOU ALL THE TIME TO SPEAK.
YOUR COMMISSIONER. YOU TALK TO EVERYBODY, RIGHT? THIS IS MY SECOND TIME SPEAKING TO YOU SINCE I'VE LIVED IN THE AREA.
AND I'M ASKING YOU TO BE PROFESSIONAL.
MY FRIENDS, I KNOW YOU BETTER THAN YOU THINK I DO.
I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH YOU, AND A LOT OF THEM SAY YOU'RE A PROGRESSIVE LEADER.
I JUST I WANT IT. THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER.
I AM NOT A PERSON THAT LIKES TO BE SILENCED, TRAVIS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT.
[22:35:05]
THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL IT IS A SEWER PUMP STATION.THEY ARE LOCATED ALL OVER TOWNS.
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. THERE'S ONE RIGHT NEXT TO DUNKIN DONUTS.
IS IT MESSING UP THE DUNKIN DONUTS AREA LIKE IT'S MESSING UP OURS? I THAT'S REGULATED BY MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S OVERFLOWING OUT OF THE TOP OF THE PUMP STATION? YES IT DOES. WELL, THAT'S A THAT'S A MAJOR VIOLATION WITH MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THEIR FINDINGS SAY.
AND IT STATED THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'M ASKING YOU TO DO NOTHING OUTRAGEOUS.
IT SAID YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIX THE ISSUE.
AND I'M ASKING YOU TO ENFORCE THAT STATEMENT THAT WAS SIGNED OFF.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S IN AN ARGUMENT WHEN THEY SIGNED OFF ON IT.
I GUESS MY POINT, BECAUSE THERE'S NO MONEY THERE TO DO IT.
THE WATER IS YOU CAN GET IT FOR US.
AND IF YOU CAN'T, WHAT IS THE ISSUE? I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE ISSUE, THE REAL ISSUE OF WHY WHY WE CAN'T FIX THIS WHEN THERE'S MONEY CLEARLY OUT THERE TO YOUR STATEMENT DIRECTLY, IT WAS NOT A BOND BILL THAT WELL, PART OF THE BOND BILL WAS THROUGH THE STATE.
WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE BOND BILL.
THAT'S THROUGH THE EXACTLY, BUT IT REQUIRES DELEGATE SPONSORSHIP.
YOU GUYS PUSHING IT UP THROUGH THE LEGISLATIONS? I'M VERY AWARE OF IT. BEEN VERY WE DON'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO.
NO. BUT YOU CAN SUPPORT IT AND PUT IT IN.
OKAY? IT'S THE POWER AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO IT.
AND I'M ASKING YOU TO FIX IT, THAT'S ALL.
WORK WITH THEM AND FORCE THEM TO LIKE.
I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
THAT'S NOT WRITTEN, THAT HASN'T BEEN SIGNED OFF BY YOU.
SIX AND IF THE AND IF THE TESTING IS DONE, WHICH YOU SAY YOU DON'T CARE.
I'M GOING BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHAT IT SAYS ON THE TESTING OF THE WATER.
IF WE HAVE WATER TEST DONE AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S NO PROBLEM.
THEN ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT THOSE RESULTS? NO, BECAUSE I CAN ONLY GO BY WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS.
WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE.
IF WE GO ANYWHERE AND AND SEEK MONEY TO SOLVE A PROBLEM INVOLVING WATER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ASKING THE MONEY, TAKE FROM THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM.
AND IF THE TESTING SHOWS THERE'S NO PROBLEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU MONEY.
THEN WHY WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFTED LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU'RE TALKING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RIDGELY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT SAYS YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.
THAT'S A THAT'S A TOWN SIGNED PLAN.
YEAH, BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S A GUIDELINE.
ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE WE'RE WE WILL WE'RE GOING TO GET THE WATER TESTED.
FIRST OFF, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE SPEED.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY.
IF THAT FALLS THROUGH, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO FIXING.
WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS, I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO LET IT GO THE WAY IT IS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE.
I DID BOOST STREET HOUSING DOWN IN SALISBURY.
I'VE DONE SOME THEY'RE DOING IN EASTON RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE AGING FACILITIES AROUND, AND I THINK FUNDING IS VERY TIGHT FOR THEM.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEING PRIORITIZED FOR THESE REHAB PROJECTS? I KNOW THE ONE IN EASTON DOVER BROOK ON DOVER AVENUE WAS HELD UP FOR QUITE A WHILE WITH FUNDING.
SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE FUNDING CONSTRAINTS I THINK ALL COUNTIES ARE, ARE VYING FOR.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
AND I CAN TELL YOU I CAN TELL YOU ALSO FROM, FROM EXPERIENCE, THE, THE THE METHOD, THE VEHICLE TO RENOVATE THESE PROPERTIES IS THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY WHERE AN AN ENTITY COMES IN, BUYS THE PROPERTY, APPLIES FOR CREDITS BECAUSE AS LONG AS YOU'RE SERVING LOW INCOME TENANTS, THAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE.
THOSE THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE COMPETITIVE.
THERE IS THERE ARE POINTS YOU YOU YOU QUALIFY FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POINTS THERE.
[22:40:03]
THERE WERE AND THEY STILL HAVE NOT REALLY GOTTEN BACK TO ME ON THIS YET.THERE ARE POINTS DEDUCTED FOR, FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE IN RURAL AREAS.
THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE STATE OF MARYLAND.
ON HOW THIS ON HOW THESE FUNDS ARE DONE, THE UNITS, THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH RENOVATION THROUGH THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. RIVERVIEW GARDENS WAS DONE, FEDERALSBURG GARDENS WAS DONE.
AND THE PLAN WAS FOR OTHER FOR THE ELDERLY.
PROPERTIES THAT WERE TRANSFERRED WERE TO BE DONE TO BE RENOVATED.
THOSE WERE BUILT PRIOR TO DAYSPRING.
THE THEY COULD NOT GET THEY THEY COULD NOT SCORE HIGH ENOUGH TO GET THE MONEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE FIND THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH WATER QUALITY, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH WITH WATER SYSTEMS THAT ARE ENDANGERING PEOPLE, THOSE UNITS MAY BE SHUT DOWN. I THINK IT SMELLS RIGHT.
DOES IT SMELL? IT SMELLS REALLY BAD BACK THERE.
IS THAT ONE LIKE WHAT'S KILLING ME IS WHEN I.
EVEN WHEN IT RAIN, WHEN IT POURS HERE, THE WATER IS SPEWING UP FROM THE SEWER.
THE ROUND THAT IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S DOOR.
IF YOU SEE THAT CONTACT MD THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR REALM.
BUT THAT IS A REGULATED PUMP STATION BY MARYLAND.
AS FAR AS FAR AS WORKING WITH THE TOWN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WORKING WITH THE TOWN.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE TOWN RIGHT NOW ON THE TECH PARK.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WORKING WITH THE TOWN.
I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NOT TO.
FOR ME, AS A COMMISSIONER, I HAVE NOT BEEN APPROACHED BY ANY MEMBER OF THE TOWN OF RIDGELY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EXCEPT TO TELL US THAT THAT THAT THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT IN THE TOWN LIMITS.
THAT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GOING TO THEM FOR TWO YEARS AND NOW, LIKE, EVEN TO THE POINT WITH DAVID, WHEN WE BUMPED INTO HIM, HE HAD CLEARLY SAID AT HIS MOUTH, ONE OF Y'ALL SAID, TEST IT. ONE OF Y'ALL SAID, DON'T DO IT.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WHY IS IT DON'T DO IT PART? BECAUSE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE NOT WORKING TOGETHER.
THE DIRECTORS OF OPERATIONS, THERE'S A COMMITMENT TODAY TO NONE OF US SAID, DON'T DO IT.
I HAVE NOT BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT NOT ME NEITHER.
THEY'RE OKAY. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN I.
WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY APPROACHED BY MR. PERKINS AND I MET HIM OVER THERE AND WE WALKED AROUND.
AND THAT'S WHERE I SEE THIS HOUSE THAT I KEEP TALKING ABOUT, THAT I KEEP GOING BACK TO YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T GO I DIDN'T GO APPROACH THE TOWN ORIGINALLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE ORIGINALLY TOWN LIMITS.
SO BUT IF THE, IF THE TOWN ORIGINALLY WANTS TO COOPERATE TO DO SOMETHING.
ABSOLUTELY. CRYSTAL, DO WE INSPECT THESE? I MEAN, WE INSPECT RENTAL PROPERTIES, RIGHT? OR IF A TENANT REQUEST A LIVABILITY INSPECTION AND WE WOULD GO OUT AND CONDUCT A LIVABILITY INSPECTION TO ENSURE EVERYTHING LOOKS NORMAL.
BUT BUT I CAN TELL THEN WE WOULD SEND OUT A NOTICE TO MAKE THE REPAIRS.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU AGAIN FROM EXPERIENCE THAT IF IF THAT IS A PROJECT BASED SECTION EIGHT PROPERTY, IT'S INSPECTED BY THEM.
THEY'RE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES REGULAR INSPECTIONS THERE.
IT'S CALLED A REAC INSPECTION.
SEE, SO I THINK WE'RE MISTAKE.
I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE NOT BEING ACCURATE ABOUT IT BEING A PROJECT BASED SECTION EIGHT PROPERTY. I THINK WHAT IT IS AND I'LL FIND OUT I THINK WHAT IT IS IS THAT THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING CALLED A CERTIFICATE PROGRAM WHERE YOU GO THROUGH THE STATE, THEY GIVE YOU A CERTIFICATE TO GO FIND A RENTAL PROPERTY.
WHEN YOU MOVE INTO THAT PROPERTY THAT THAT GOES WITH THE TENANT, BUT IT DOES NOT GO WITH THE UNIT.
I THINK THAT'S MORE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
DOES IT GET INSPECTED? IT'S THAT PARTICULAR UNIT IS INSPECTED WHERE THE PERSON WHO HAS THE CERTIFICATE IS LIVING.
THEY ARE ALL NOT INSPECTED OR NOT OKAY, OKAY.
IT'S A I KNOW IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.
I WAS SENT FOR THE TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS RESEARCH.
AND I WAS HOPING RIDGELY WOULD STEP UP TO THE PLATE.
BUT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE COUNTY LEVEL AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE.
I FEEL IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP HERE THAT I ACTUALLY LIKE.
[22:45:06]
AND I FEEL THAT YOU GUYS COULD MAKE A CHANGE IN A DIFFERENCE IN ACTUALLY THEM STAND UP AND SAY, OKAY.YES, OUR WATER IS MESSING UP PROPERTIES OWNERS OVER HERE.
YES, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS COP DOWN ON THAT.
I WANT TO LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY THIS, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PICK.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES, I HAVE THAT COMMUNITY IN MIND.
I HONESTLY DO, AND I THINK IT'S YOU WEREN'T IN HERE BEFORE, BUT I THAT IT'S EMBARRASSING AND IT'S NOT RIGHT. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES, THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR AREAS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN MR. DOBSON CAME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RENAMING THE ROAD AND I SAID, YEAH, WE WILL BECAUSE BUT WHY DO WE RENAME A ROAD AND THEN HAVE JUNK AROUND IT? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU FIND OUT IF THOSE UNITS WHAT ARE INSPECTED, WHAT AREN'T FOR MILFORD.
AND INTERESTING ENOUGH, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM DHCD ABOUT THE STATE SIDE.
SO I JUST RECEIVED THAT ON THE SIXTH.
SO LAST THURSDAY SO PERFECT TIMING AND CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
AND THEY NOT ONLY THEY NOT ONLY DO PHYSICAL INSPECTIONS OF THE UNITS, THEY DO MANAGEMENT INSPECTIONS OF HOW YOU HANDLE LEASES, IF YOUR LEASES ARE BEING RENEWED PROPERLY, IF THE IF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT IS BEING RECEIVED BY THE TENANTS IS BEING RECEIVED TIMELY.
IT'S A IT'S A DETAILED THING WHERE THEY COME DOWN FOR 2 OR 3 DAYS.
I GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF FINDING OUT WHAT THE PROGRAM IS THAT'S THERE, THE SUBSIDY PROGRAM.
BUT YOU KNOW, TO TO RECAP, WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH DHCD.
IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY YOU CAN TRANSFER THE UNITS, ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT'S GOING TO APPLY IS MILFORD HOUSING DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS A SUBSIDIARY OF THAT COMPANY.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW AT THIS POINT IF IF IT'S IF IT'S VIABLE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE ONCE THEY ONCE THEY BECOME OWNERS, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE READILY AVAILABLE PROGRAMS TO THEM THAT THEY COULD USE TO RENOVATE THAT PROPERTY.
IF YOU KNOW OF ANY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, LET US KNOW.
AS I SAID, INTERFAITH IS NOT IN BUSINESS ANYMORE.
83. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL FOLLOW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD WORK WITH.
WORK WITH ME? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
SO ON NEXT MONDAY, THERE IS A MEETING.
I GOT TO GO BACK AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS OR WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO DO TO HELP THEM.
YEAH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF SPECIFICALLY NEXT MONDAY WOULD BE SUCH A QUICK TURNAROUND TIME.
I THINK WE THE COMMITMENT, THE COMMITMENT THAT I THINK YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WOULD BE THAT THE COUNTY IS ACTIVELY INVESTIGATING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, OKAY, THE POSSIBILITY OF TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP TO A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT COULD OBTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY AND TO TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY. THE OTHER COMMITMENT WOULD BE, I WILL COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE WILL WE WILL CONTINUE TO TO TALK WITH EAST COAST IF WE FIND THAT THEY ARE NOT WILLING OR NOT ABLE TO MANAGE THAT PROPERTY THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MANAGED, WE WILL FIND
[22:50:04]
ANOTHER MANAGEMENT COMPANY.CAN WE GET CRYSTAL OUT THERE TO INSPECT OR.
STACY, SORRY, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE TENANTS.
GIVE US PERMISSION TO DO A LIVABILITY INSPECTION ON THOSE UNITS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK THROUGH TOGETHER.
SO ONCE WE KIND OF GET DONE WITH THIS, I CAN GO GET MY BUSINESS CARD.
YEAH. BUT THAT THOSE ARE THE COMMITMENTS I THINK THAT I'M PREPARED TO TO GIVE YOU.
ARE YOU FINE WITH, WITH ASKING TO DO AN INSPECTION OF IT.
SO YOU CAN TELL MONDAY THAT, THAT WE'LL SEND HER HOME.
OKAY. ENFORCEMENT PERSON OUT TO DO AN INSPECTION.
YOU'LL COORDINATE THAT WITH THE MANAGER.
YEAH. WHO I BELIEVE ALSO MANAGES RIDGELY MEADOWS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. I'LL RUN DOWN THE HALL REAL QUICK.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, KIM RADER, BOARD ADMINISTRATOR, PAB.
DISCUSSION OF RESTRUCTURING THE PAB.
YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
GOOD AFTERNOON. SO I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS.
SO WE'VE HAD NINE MEMBERS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
TWO OF THE BOARD TERMS ARE GETTING READY TO COME UP AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
DOES EVERYBODY HAVE YOUR PACKET HERE? OKAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THE TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE GETTING READY.
ONE WAS INTERESTED IN BEING REAPPOINTED, AND THEN WE HAD A COUPLE APPLICATIONS.
SO I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
IN THE STATUTE. THERE IS NO SET NUMBER THAT WE NEED.
AND I KNOW WE WERE KIND OF THROWING THAT AROUND AS WELL.
WE HAVE TWO THAT DON'T WANT TO BE REAPPOINTED.
SO IF WE CUT THE BOARD SIZE FROM NINE DOWN TO SEVEN, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPOINT ANY NEW PEOPLE.
DARREN JOHNS, HE'S INTERESTED IN BEING REAPPOINTED IF WE WANTED TO.
BUT WE ALSO HAD A COUPLE OTHER APPLICANTS, SO I WASN'T SURE HOW THAT WORKED.
WE NEED TO INTERVIEW EVERYONE.
OR WOULD YOU ALL JUST REAPPOINT WHO WAS INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE BOARD SINCE HE HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD AND DOING, YOU KNOW, WELL FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT'S REALLY JUST UP TO HOWEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE IT.
WE CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION IN THE PACKET ON PAGE SEVEN AND EIGHT OF THE RESOLUTION LETTER J NUMBER ONE AND FOUR, THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE IT STATED HOW MANY MEMBERS WE HAVE AND HOW MANY ALTERNATES.
SO BUT IF WE REAPPOINT MR. JOHNS, THAT'LL PUT US AT SEVEN.
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE EIGHT.
SO IF WE DO DROP DOWN TO SEVEN, WE'VE GOT A NOT A POINT.
SO THAT WOULD BRING RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NINE.
SO THAT WOULD BRING US DOWN TO EIGHT.
AND CURRENTLY WE ACTUALLY HAVE NINE.
SO WE HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS WITH ONE ALTERNATE WHICH IS PHIL CLARK.
OH I GUESS MARTY HUDSON IS TOO AS WELL.
NEVER MIND. WE HAVE SEVEN WITH TWO ALTERNATES, RIGHT? RIGHT. CORRECT.
I THOUGHT WE HAD JUST THE TWO ALTERNATES, BUT NANCY WAS THE THIRD ONE.
[22:55:03]
DISINTERESTED IN ATTENDING THE MEETINGS, THEY WEREN'T MAKING IT NECESSARILY A PRIORITY.SO WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS HAVE WE JUST HAD THE SHERIFF SPEAK.
YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO OUR HAVING TO MEET QUARTERLY HAVING SOME KIND OF TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, I'VE INVITED THE ANY OF THE DIFFERENT POLICE CHIEFS TO SPEAK AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE IN AUGUST.
DO YOU HAVE IT? DO YOU HAVE I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE THE SAME PERSON WHO IS NOT SHOWING UP CAUSING A PROBLEM WITH QUORUMS? I DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I ACTUALLY ADDRESSED IT WITH WITH TWO OF THE MEMBERS DIRECTLY, AND THAT HAS SOLVED THAT PROBLEM.
SO I THIS PAST TIME, WE HAD EVERYONE RSVP EXCEPT FOR TWO THAT I KNEW WEREN'T GOING TO BE THERE.
AND THEN THE ONE PERSON THAT DID RSVP YES DID NOT SHOW UP.
SO THEN I REACH OUT AND SO FORTH.
WE THEN DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO RESCHEDULE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SUMMER TIMES GET BUSY.
SO THEN WE WERE WORKING IT AROUND OTHER PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES AND TRYING NOT TO HOLD THEM ON THE SAME.
HOW MANY MEETINGS DO YOU ARE YOU HAVING WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS TO LISTEN TO? AND NO, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED AS OF YET FOR THE OCC.
LAST MONTH WE WENT AHEAD AND DIDN'T SCHEDULE FOR JUNE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS INVESTIGATED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON THE ONE WITH RIDGELY, BUT WE ENDED UP GETTING ONE IN THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED.
SO THE OCC HAS BEEN MEETING MONTHLY WITH WITH.
SO WE ENDED UP SCHEDULING THAT.
WE'LL MEET WITH THE OCC AND THE PAB.
BUT WE'VE HAD ONE SPECIAL MEETING TO APPOINT A CIVILIAN TO A TRIAL BOARD.
AND THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING AGAIN TOMORROW VIA VIRTUAL MEETING TO POSSIBLY APPOINT ANOTHER CIVILIAN TO A TRIAL BOARD. WE DO HAVE A TRIAL BOARD COMING UP.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD ANOTHER TRIAL BOARD THAT'S SCHEDULED.
SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE POOL IN CASE THERE IS A CONFLICT.
AND THE INTERVIEWS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE TWO THAT I SENT YOU, THE TWO LADIES THAT I SENT YOU, THEY ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR NOT ONLY THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD, BUT ALSO TO BE A CIVILIAN ON THE TRIAL BOARD.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THEIR APPOINTMENT TOMORROW.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS THEY'RE COMING IN, I'VE BEEN DOCUMENTING IT.
AND THEN I FORWARDED YOU ON WHAT EXACTLY WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT IS YOUR QUESTION TO US, DO WE WANT TO STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE, OR DO WE WANT TO REDUCE IT? TO WHAT? YES.
AND REDUCE IT TO WHAT IS WHAT? I GUESS OUR QUESTION IS HERE NOW BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE TERM'S COMING UP.
AND IF WE DID WANT TO REDUCE THE BOARD TO FIVE MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES.
SO MAKING IT SEVEN, WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO THAT NOW SINCE WE HAVE THE TWO PEOPLE COMING UP.
SO WE'D HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.
YES. AND THEN THE TWO ALTERNATES.
AND THEN WE WOULD JUST GO WITH WHO WE HAVE.
AND THEN THE NEXT TERMS WOULDN'T BE UP UNTIL THE END OF JUNE AND DAN'S YEAR.
AND DAN'S DECISION IS DANIEL TOWERS'S DECISION IS NOT TO BE REAPPOINTED.
MR. JOHN'S IS INTERESTED IN BEING.
HE WOULD LIKE TO BE REAPPOINTED.
YES HE WOULD. YOU THINK IT'D BE EASIER TO WORK WITH FIVE AND TWO ALTERNATES? YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM NECESSARILY WORKING WITH ANYONE.
[23:00:01]
I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN, LIKE I MENTIONED, WOULD BE THE QUORUM.SO IF YOU'RE IF WE STAYED WITH THE CURRENT NUMBER, WOULD ONE OF THE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE REAPPOINTED MR. JOHN'S WOOD, WOULD ONE OF THE ALTERNATES REPLACE DANIEL TOWERS AND THEN WE WOULD SELECT ANOTHER ALTERNATE, OR WOULD THE TWO ALTERNATES REMAIN IN PLACE AND WE WOULD SELECT A DIFFERENT PERSON COMPLETELY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE EITHER OR OKAY.
DO THE ALTERNATES ATTEND THE MEETINGS.
NO, YOU SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE RIGHT STATUTE.
WE DON'T HAVE IT IN PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE I THINK THAT THE REASON THAT WE BUILT THE ULTIMATE SIN WAS BECAUSE THIS WAS AN INAUGURAL BOARD.
HONESTLY. AND SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THAT IF WHEN WE WROTE THE RESOLUTION, WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME HOW MUCH CONFLICT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN.
WE DIDN'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WERE GOING TO SHOW UP AND SAY, OH, I HAVE TO BE RECUSED FROM THIS.
I HAVE TO BE RECUSED FROM THAT.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES THE PROPER AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TO PULL FROM IF WE NEEDED TO.
HONESTLY, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE INSTEAD OF INTERVIEWING NEW PEOPLE? SURE. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE IF WE STAY WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE NOW TO SELECT ONE OF THE TWO ALTERNATES TO BE A FULL MEMBER, JUST HAVE ONE AND HAVE ONE ALTERNATE.
SURE. AND AND I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL, BECAUSE I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, THEY'VE BEEN ATTENDING MEETINGS.
YOU WOULDN'T BE BRINGING IN A BRAND NEW PERSON TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, FIT INTO THE GROUP.
AND I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE OF THE TWO ALTERNATES, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU SUGGEST ELEVATING TO THE TO THE BOARD AND THE OTHER ONE STAYING AN ALTERNATE? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT.
I MEAN, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND PHIL CLARKE.
YEAH. AND HE'S BEEN I MEAN THEY'VE ALL BEEN GREAT, BUT HE'S VERY INVOLVED, ATTENDS EVERY MEETING.
HE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, GIVES GOOD FEEDBACK AND EVERYTHING DURING THE MEETINGS.
OKAY. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SHE SAID.
YES. THAT WOULDN'T TAKE US CODE CHANGE THEN.
WELL, YES. ACTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LITTLE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP BECAUSE IN THE RESOLUTION IT SAYS THE AMOUNT OF MEMBERS AND THE AMOUNT OF ALTERNATES OR SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE CLEANUP.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO NEED I MEAN, NOW IS A GOOD TIME.
LIKE KIM SAID, WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP.
ANYWAY AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THIS, WE HAD TWO OPTIONS.
WE COULD EITHER IMPLEMENT IT BY RESOLUTION OR LEGISLATIVE BILL AND STEWART.
AND I CHOSE RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ON THE FLY CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, BEING A BRAND NEW PROGRAM.
SO WOULD IT BE I MEAN, I'M WOULD IT BE YOUR OPINION? WE NEED TWO ALTERNATES.
I'D SAY OUT OF THE TWO ALTERNATES THAT WE HAVE NOW, ONE HAS BEEN THERE MORE THAN THE OTHER.
SO IF WE IF WE WERE TO MOVE PHIL CLARKE UP, SURE TO FILL DANIEL TOWERS AND REAPPOINT DARREN JOHNSON AND REAPPOINT DARREN JOHNSON, THAT LEAVES OUR VOTING MEMBERS, OUR NUMBERS THE SAME, THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH ONE ALTERNATE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
I CAN'T THINK OF A REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T BE.
IS IT EASIER TO DO THAT OR CUT IT DOWN TO SEVEN? IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME AS FAR AS WORK FOR US.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION, WHICH HONESTLY IS VERY, VERY SIMPLE TO DO.
WE CAN GET THAT SHOT OUT IN A HALF AN HOUR.
MY, MY SUGGESTION, GENTLEMEN, WOULD BE THAT WE REAPPOINT MR. JOHN'S. OKAY.
MOVE PHIL CLARK FROM BEING AN ALTERNATE TO A WHATEVER REGULAR VOTING MEMBER, VOTING MEMBER AND RETAIN MARTY HUDSON AS A SINGLE ALTERNATE.
[23:05:02]
REDEFINES THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS AND NUMBER OF ALTERNATES.AND WE'LL BRING THAT AT THE NEXT COMMISSIONERS MEETING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
NO NEED TO DO A VOTE ON THAT TODAY.
NO. IF IF THEY HAVE THE SENSE OF THE DIRECTION.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS, COMMENTS, ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. BARTZ, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOW I JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE RIVER ROAD PROJECT.
HOW WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF WORK AS FAR AS AS FAR AS PAVING? WHERE WHERE ARE WE STARTING AND WHERE ARE WE STOPPING? REPAVING. SO THE PROJECT LIMIT IS LET'S SEE.
WOULD BE JUST PAST MR. FISHER'S DRIVEWAY.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT MR. FISHER. HOW ABOUT AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE STARTING FOR, LIKE, WE'RE HOLSINGER'S DENTIST? WE WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THAT FAR.
NO, NO, NO, I THINK IT'S LIKE 300FT ONE DIRECTION AND, LIKE, 500 IN THE OTHER.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING ANY WE'RE NOT GOING ANY FURTHER ON RIVER ROAD.
AS FAR AS NOT A PART OF THAT PROJECT, I HAVE MEASURED THE ROAD.
SO I'M STARTING TO WORK NUMBERS FROM 404 ALL THE WAY TO THE DIRT ROAD.
I ALSO TAKEN OUT THAT AREA FROM 404 TO THE WORK ZONE, THEN FROM THE WORK ZONE TO CENTRAL AVENUE, BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCERN OF PIPING THAT COMES OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT AND RUNS DOWN RIVER ROAD HAVING A COUPLE PUNCTURES IN IT, WHICH ONE REARED ITS HEAD JUST LAST WEEK? SO WE PUT NEW ASPHALT OVER THAT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT NEW ASPHALT OVER THAT.
NOW, WHETHER WE LEAVE OUT A SECTION AND START, JUST PASS THE LOW AREA AND GO ON TO THE DIRT ROAD AND THEN ADDRESS THE PIPE ISSUE AND THEN COME BACK AND REDO THAT.
BUT THAT WE WE HAVE MADE THOSE MEASUREMENTS AND I'LL BE WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED AND GET.
THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD ABOUT IT.
OKAY. SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. OKAY.
GOODHUE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS REPORT.
OKAY, SO APPARENTLY RIVER WAS ON ALL MY LIST.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE WORKING WITH ROB AND STAFF.
WE'RE LOOKING TENTATIVELY THE 17TH.
SHUT DOWN THE ROAD AND START GOING THROUGH.
BORING. OKAY, SO YEAH, I SAY, I THINK, YOU SEE DR.
SMITH'S OUT THERE CURRENTLY ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE OF THE ROAD UNTIL SCHOOL'S OUT AND THEN THE 17TH, WE'RE CLOSING THE ROAD DOWN, AND THEN THEY THEY'LL BRING IN THE SECOND UNIT AND BE ABLE TO BLOWER SIMULTANEOUSLY ON BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND SIDE TO SPEED UP, EXPEDITE THE PROJECT.
AT WHICH POINT, ALSO DAVID ABRAHAM WAS LOOKING TO COME IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO OF JUNE AND DO SOME PRELIMINARY THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO WHILE JR SMITH IS ON SITE.
SO I'LL CUT THE ROAD AND SILT FENCE AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT THEY LOOK DID WE, DID WE GET APPROVAL FROM SOIL CONSERVATION? NOT YET. I WASN'T COPIED ON ANY OF THOSE EMAILS, SO.
OKAY. LITERALLY JUST GOT KICKED OUT OF THAT.
SO IF I NEED TO MAKE THAT PHONE CALL AGAIN, LET ME KNOW.
SO YEAH BRIAN WILL BE IN PROBABLY THE LAST WEEK OF JUNE TO START THAT PRELIMINARY STUFF.
[23:10:03]
AND AS SOON AS JR SMITH PULLS OUT THEN THEY'LL GO AT IT.OKAY. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN WITH THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH DOCTOR SIMMONS AND THE BOARD OF ED AND RELAYING HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT POSSIBLY THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. BUT AS THAT DEVELOPS, WE'LL BE SURE TO KEEP PUBLISHING FACEBOOK ONLINE ALL THE UPDATES.
YES. WHILE WE'RE ON THE KIND OF FACEBOOK ONLINE DEAL PUBLIC WORKS PROVIDE IT TO THE REIBLY WITH THE LIST OF RESURFACING THAT WILL BE GOING ON THROUGH THIS NEXT PERIOD HERE.
SO THAT'S PUBLIC AND OUT THERE.
I'M SURE WE'LL PROBABLY RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE DEFINITELY ARE.
I MEAN, WHAT WHAT IS IT? I JUST I JUST PUT THE WHOLE LIST AND JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WATCH FOR SOME DELAYS BUT DON'T LIKE TAR AND CHIP OR NO, EVERYONE WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR WHY THEIR ROADS GOT ON THERE. AND WE GO THROUGH IT EVERY YEAR AND WE PUT THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
SO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, EVERYONE KNOWS OUR FUNDING AND THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
AND YOU'LL USE THE MESSAGE BOARDS AS BEST YOU CAN TO NOTIFY.
WELL IN THIS PROCESS IS PRETTY TOUGH.
YEAH. LIKE I SAID I WAS OUT THERE THIS MORNING FIRST THING.
AND THEY'RE STARTING ON EAST CHERRY LANE.
AND WITHIN HALF HOUR THEY'RE OFF EAST CHERRY LANE AND THEY'RE OVER ON DE ROAD.
RIGHT. YOU KNOW SO THE TAR AND CHIP.
YEAH OKAY. I MEAN AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN CEDAR LANE.
AND THEN THEY'LL BE OUT OF THAT AREA AND MOVING ON TO ANOTHER SMALL AREA.
SO IT'S SIGNBOARDS A LITTLE TOUGH IN THAT ONE.
BUT AGAIN IT'S THEY'RE OPEN AND CLOSED PRETTY QUICKLY.
YEAH. CLOSED AND OPEN PRETTY QUICKLY.
WELL. AND WHILE WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC I KNOW YOU SAID FOR THE SCHOOL YEAR WE'LL KEEP COMMUNICATING, BUT I AM I PUT IN THE BRIEFING THAT IN THE CAROLINE REVIEW FOR JULY, WE WILL HAVE THE SAME KIND OF WRITE UP THAT PUBLIC WORKS PROVIDED FOR RIVER ROAD AS WELL AS FOR THE WILLISTON BRIDGE. OKAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE A WHOLE RESPONSE IN THERE FROM DEA.
SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE STILL GETTING SERVICE AND EVERYTHING.
RIGHT. AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO PUBLISH THAT TILL AUGUST.
WE DON'T HAVE DO WE HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED FOR THE LOCAL AREA DETOUR AROUND ROUTE 16 WHILE WILLISTON BRIDGE IS OUT? WE'RE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE BECAUSE I'M NOT PLANNING ON DRIVING ALL THE WAY TO FEDERALSBURG TO GET HERE.
I'M GOING TO USE COUNTY ROADS.
BUT I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S BUT I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RESURFACING IN THAT AREA GOING ON.
NO. AND LIKE I SAID THIS, THIS ROUND WILL BE DONE TWO WEEKS.
OKAY. I MEAN, THEY STARTED TODAY AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BE DONE BY NEXT FRIDAY.
BUT ALL RIGHT, THE LAST THING I HAD WAS I HAD CIRCULATED A PROPOSAL WITH THE BOARD FROM RPK ABOUT SOME WATER AND SEWER ANALYSIS AT THE REGIONAL TECH PARK.
YEAH. COMMISSIONER BREEN HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS, AND I RECEIVED A RESPONSE BACK FROM THEM.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE THEIR WORDS WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A 5000 GALLON TANKER TO FILL THE WET.
WELL SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO THROUGH THAT, BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE SCOPE.
THEY SAID IN REGARDS TO THE GENERATOR QUESTION, THEY WOULD INVESTIGATE THAT WITH NDE AND THAT IN REGARD TO METERS, DRAWINGS, NOT SHOW METERS, AND THAT IT WOULD BE THE THE BUILDERS OBLIGATION FOR METERS.
SO IT SOUNDED LIKE WE HAD A CONSENSUS WITH THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
YOU WERE GOOD WITH IT. YEAH, YEAH.
AND I TALKED ABOUT A FEW THINGS.
YEAH, WE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT.
COUNTY COMMISSIONER, URBAN DISCUSSION PERIOD.
MR.. PORTER. YEAH, I WENT TO THE EAGLE SCOUT CEREMONY SUNDAY.
GOT GOT TWO MORE UNDER WALT'S.
[23:15:03]
THE DIRECTION THERE.I THINK HE'S UP TO 82, I THINK EAGLE SCOUTS.
I GOT A MESSAGE FROM THE RESIDENT LAST YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD FROM ABOUT THE BOAT SPEEDING AGAIN DOWN AT YOU KNOW, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT, AND SHE'S GOT VIDEO AND IT'S LOCAL PEOPLE, AND I JUST SENT HER A MESSAGE BACK AND TOLD HER THAT I HAD SPENT ALL THE TIME I WAS GOING TO SPEND ON THAT, GOING TO ANNAPOLIS LAST YEAR, TRYING TO.
IF IT'S LOCAL PEOPLE, THEN THEY THEY'LL SUFFER WHATEVER CONSEQUENCES THEY GOT.
I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR ENERGY TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT AGAIN.
SO THE I PRINTED OUT A COPY OF THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER HERE ON CLIMATE CHANGE. JEN, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A COPY OF IT FOR, FOR EVERYBODY I, I JUST SEE SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT I DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD WE'RE EVER GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
SO AND AS FAR I THINK WE SHOULD CERTAINLY THE LAST THING I REMEMBER ON DAYSPRING WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO COME BACK AND MILFORD HOUSING WAS GOING TO COME BACK AND MAKE A PROPOSAL.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ANYTHING.
DEFINITELY TIME TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM AGAIN.
AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE MADE AWARE, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING IT, THAT IF THIS YOU KNOW, IF THESE IF THESE PROBLEMS CONTINUE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE THE PEOPLE TO TRANSFER THE PROPERTY TO.
I MEAN, THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND IT'S, IT'S IT'S A PROBLEM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO AS LONG AS WE HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY, WE'VE GOT TO STAY INVOLVED IN, IT CAN BE ADDRESSED AND I WILL DO IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST DISCOUNT WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE WATER ISSUES.
BUT AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT PART OF IT, THE ONLY THE ONLY THING I KNOW WAS THE TOWN ORIGINALLY REACHED OUT TO ME AND TOLD ME, ASKED ME TO FACILITATE GETTING THEM INTO THE UNITS TO TEST BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE RELATED TO THE HOT WATER HEATERS.
I MEAN, I CAN HOT WATER HEATERS CAUSE THE WATER TO STINK, SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO REPLACE THE HOT WATER.
YEAH, YEAH, IT'S GOT CALCIUM IN IT.
SO THEIR HUNCH WAS THEY HAD BEEN THE COMPLAINTS HAD BEEN MADE TO EMD AND APPARENTLY EMD CAME IN AS I TOLD MISS PIERCE WITH A FINE TUNED FINE TOOTH COMB AND FOUND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING MAJOR.
I MEAN, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FIND SOMETHING HERE OR THERE AND REPORTING OR DOCUMENTS, BUT AND THAT THEIR HUNCH WAS THAT IT WAS A WATER METERS OR THE I'M SORRY, THE HIGH WATER HEATERS.
SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUR PEOPLE IN AND SEE IF IT ACTUALLY IS.
AND IF IT IS, WE HAVE TO GET MILFORD TO REPLACE THEM.
EACH UNIT HAS ITS OWN HOT WATER HEATER, APPARENTLY.
I WOULD IMAGINE SEVERAL APARTMENTS SHARE.
I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD ASSUME EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL HOT WATER HEATER.
AND IT COULD BE THE ELEMENTS ARE BAD OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, D D I, WE'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM.
SO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER PHONE CALL TO CHUCK.
I MENTIONED TO DELEGATE GREIST ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF GETTING SECRETARY DAY INVOLVED, AND HE ASSURED ME THAT HE COULD CONNECT US UP WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK HE'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY BE THE GUY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS YOU KNOW, THIS COMMITMENT CAN BE BROKEN.
WELL, WHETHER THE COUNTY OWNS IT OR NOT.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNITS ARE, WELL, THE THE WAY IT WAS LEFT WITH ME.
I'LL TEST AND FIND OUT IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S WHAT IT IS.
BUT APPARENTLY IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, SO THAT'S WHY I NEED.
SO IT'S GONE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
MR.. THAT'S ONE THING, ROBIN, FOR FINDING THE MISSING TIRES YESTERDAY.
SOME APPARENTLY OVER THE WEEKEND, SOMEBODY POSTED THERE WAS A TRUCK COME FROM DELAWARE INTO MARYLAND, AND DUMPED SOME TIRES, AND ROBIN FOUND THEM. THEY DID.
SO. AND THEN WE HAD GREG ROUTE THE BRIDGE.
[23:20:01]
I WENT DOWN THERE JUST RIDING AROUND THE OTHER DAY, AND THE THE RAILING WAS MISSING.SO THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE RAILING REPLACED ON THAT.
NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT WENT. RIGHT? SO PEOPLE WERE RIDING AROUND GETTING PAID TO TAKE JUNK TIRES AND THEN COME TO MARYLAND AND THROW THEM OUT ON OUR BACK ROADS.
AND I TOLD CHAIR BAKER HE'S AWARE OF IT.
THEY'RE INVESTIGATING IT THAT WE COME UP ON SITE.
YEAH. SO I WENT OVER THE DEF UPDATE.
THE GOVERNOR IS COMING FRIDAY WITH THE CABINET, SPENDING THE ENTIRE DAY HERE.
WE STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ITINERARY OR SCHEDULE, SO WE CAN'T REALLY SAY ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.
BUT HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE EITHER I DO.
OH, LOOK, IT TOOK ME GETTING A LITTLE MEAN DID IT? ALL RIGHT. WHAT TIME? WHAT TIME IS THIS SUPPOSED TO START? IT LOOKS LIKE 930.
HE WILL BE TRAVELING FROM EASTON TO GET HIS TO COME TO DENTON.
HIS ONE ON ONE WITH YOU STARTS AT 1015.
OKAY. SO WE SHOULD BE AT THE PAVILION FOR A GREETING BY 955, AND I WILL CIRCULATE THIS TO EVERYONE.
THE REGIONAL PAVILION OUT THERE ON.
SHARP ROAD. NO, THAT'S OUR BLADES.
SO IF I'M NOT THERE, GO AHEAD AND START WITHOUT ME.
IS THERE ANY CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT. NONE BEING SEEN.
ARE WE DOING THE CLOSED SESSION? I HAVE TO RUN TO A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT AT 115 IN THE EASTERN.
OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY I DID SEND YOU ALL SOMETHING THAT CAME IN WHILE WE WERE IN SESSION.
YOU CAN HELP HOLD THE CLOSED SESSION, BUT I REALLY THIS IS A MAKE UP MEDICAL FOR ME.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO I HEAR A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO CONSULT WITH COUNSEL TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE UNDER 2014 MARYLAND CODE.
STATE GOVERNMENT 3-305B, SECTION SEVEN.
OKAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.