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LIKE. WHAT HE DONE TALKING TO HIS MATE ERIC.

SHE REALLY LIKES IT WHEN YOU DO THIS.

ALL RIGHT, IT'S 2:00.

I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE MEETING MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETING.

ANYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? I'VE REVIEWED THEM.

MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.

SECOND. A MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE THE MINUTES WILL STAND.

DO I NEED TO SIGN YOUR COPY OR JUST THIS COPY I GOT HERE? YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR COPY. DO THAT NOW, BEFORE I FORGET.

ALL RIGHT. I GET OLD BUSINESS.

WE DID MEET BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS.

I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING, CRYSTAL? NO. WE ARE WORKING WITH OFFICE OF LAW ON DOING A COMPLETE REVAMP OF THE THREE CHAPTERS WE HAVE CURRENTLY, WHICH IS ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING AND BUILDING CODE.

WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE THEM INTO ONE CHAPTER FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADES, AND IT'LL BE BUILDING ELECTRIC, PLUMBING AND HVAC.

WE'LL HAVE ALL FOUR COMPONENTS.

THE ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING NOW GOES AWAY BECAUSE IT WAS MAINLY GEARED TOWARDS LICENSING.

NOW IT WILL BE GEARED TOWARDS PERMITS AND THEN WE'LL ADD THE HVAC COMPONENT TO IT.

RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON GETTING THROUGH THE SOLAR AND DAFF, WHICH YOU ALL LIVE HERE.

SO I'M SURE YOU'RE PRIVY TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN CANNABIS.

ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE CANNABIS ONE, THEN THE NEXT FOCUS IS ON THE BUILDING CODE STUFF.

SO AND SPEAKING OF CODES, THE THE STATE IS MOVING TO ADOPT THE 2020 NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE, BUT IT STILL HASN'T HAPPENED YET HASN'T HAPPENED.

OKAY, SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE STILL IN 2017.

I ACTUALLY HAD CALLED ADAM ABOUT THAT AFTER THE LAST BOARD MEETING, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A QUESTION ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT CODE THE STATE'S ON.

BUT I HAVE CONFIRMED IT'S 2017 RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT. I GUESS THE NEW BUSINESS.

THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

I GUESS THE FIRST ONE, ADAM, SINCE YOU'RE HERE WAS SOMETHING ON LIQUOR ROAD, AND I JUST HAPPENED TO BE TALKING TO YOU THAT DAY.

YEAH. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING.

I TALKED TO CRYSTAL ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT TOO.

REALLY. IT WAS JUST THE THE ISSUE THAT WE RUN INTO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WHERE THERE'S A CONTRACTOR THAT WHERE THERE'S A, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR THAT INITIALLY IS LABELED ON THE BUILDING PERMIT AS THE ELECTRICIAN OR THE PLUMBER.

SOMETHING HAPPENS DURING THE PROCESS.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE JOB ENDED UP GOING INTO TWO DIFFERENT PHASES.

HE DID THE FIRST PHASE.

SOMEBODY ELSE HAS DONE THE SECOND PHASE NOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF HIS PERMIT IS.

I THINK IT'S STILL ACTIVE, EVEN THOUGH HE'S REMITTED HIMSELF FROM THE JOB.

IF YOU ASK HIM IN THE CONTRACTOR.

SO IT IT BECOMES A TAKEOVER THING WITH, YOU KNOW, A NEW PERMIT NEEDING TO BE ISSUED AND THAT TYPE OF GOTCHA.

SO I CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT.

SO THEY CAME IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.

THE BUILDING PERMIT WAS APPLIED FOR FOR THE RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING ATTACHED GARAGE.

AND THEN THEY WERE ADDING AN ADDITION ON AS WELL.

SO THEY WERE UNDER ONE BUILDING PERMIT.

HOWEVER, WHEN THEY DID THE ELECTRICAL WORK, THEY DID PULL THE ELECTRICAL PERMIT, DID THE ELECTRICAL WORK.

ROB WAS THE INSPECTOR, AND HE NOTED IN HIS INSPECTION NOTES THAT THE ELECTRICAL WAS ONLY FOR THE GARAGE.

THEY HAD NOT STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET OF THE ADDITION.

SO THAT'S WHERE TWO THINGS ON A BUILDING PERMIT BECOME PROBLEMATIC, BECAUSE YOU DON'T ALWAYS BUILD THE TWO COMPONENTS AT THE SAME TIME.

MAYBE THEY'RE BUILDING AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND A DECK, AND THEY DO THE GARAGE AND THE DECK LATER, AND TRYING TO CAPTURE THOSE INSPECTIONS SEPARATELY ON ONE PERMIT BECOMES A PROBLEM.

SOMEBODY THINKS, OH, I SEE ELECTRICAL IS DONE.

IT'S DONE FOR THE WHOLE PERMIT, RIGHT? IN THIS CASE, IT WAS NOT.

IT'S PROPERLY NOTED.

BUT AT THE TIME, WHATEVER ELECTRICAL WORK THEY'VE DONE ON THE ADDITION, THERE'S BEEN NO THERE'S NO INSPECTION OF AND NO PERMIT FOR.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE WORK.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S A GREAT.

WHAT WAS IT? WAS IT.

IS IT FINISHED NOW? NO, IT'S. OR IT'S STILL IN THE ROUGH END PHASE.

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WE WANTED TO DO A FRAMING INSPECTION.

OKAY. AND ONE OF THE INSPECTORS NOTED THAT THERE WAS NO ELECTRICAL.

AND THE HOMEOWNER POINTED TO THE STICKER FROM US FROM A YEAR AGO AND SAID, WELL, THERE'S A ROUGH STICKER.

VICE TRI SAYS.

AND OF COURSE, IT'S ATTACHED TO THE SAME PERMIT.

SO IT'S EASY TO, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT IT WAS DONE.

SO MAYBE THE BOARD COULD GIVE SOME GUIDANCE TO THE PERMIT STAFF TO HELP ELIMINATE THIS IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT IS WE SEPARATE OUT THOSE PERMITS.

NOT EVERYBODY LIKES IT, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO PERMITS, BUT IT KEEPS IT CLEAN.

IF YOU'VE GOT A FOOTER FOR, YOU KNOW, THE DECK AND A FOOTER FOR THE ADDITION, THEY'RE SEPARATE ON EACH PERMIT.

AND IF ONE PROGRESSES AND ONE DOESN'T, YOU HAVE TROUBLE CLOSING OUT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF ONE COMMIT.

SO I THINK THE BEST SCENARIO WOULD BE TO ALWAYS PULL THEM OUT SEPARATELY.

SAME FEE, NOT AN ADDITIONAL FEE.

RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE FEES, TWO SEPARATE SET OF INSPECTIONS AND TRIPS.

AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT OKAY.

BECAUSE THOSE FEES COVER IT.

COVER BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T GET AT BECAUSE IF HE IF HE HAS A IF HE HAS A PERMIT FOR AND IT'S TWO THINGS LIKE THAT.

HE GOES OUT FOR A FOOTER INSPECTION FOR A DECK, AND THEN HE GETS CALLED BACK FOR A FOOTER INSPECTION FOR A BUILDING.

WELL HE STILL COULD HAVE DONE THAT BOTH AT ONE TIME.

I GOT TO GO OUT THERE TWICE.

AND HE'S ONLY GETTING PAID FOR ONE FOOTER INSPECTION BECAUSE THAT'S ALL HE HAS TO DO TOO, RIGHT? YEAH. SAME THING WITH ELECTRICAL.

SAME THING WITH PLUMBING.

YEAH. I'VE GOT A SWIMMING POOL LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW WITH A POOL AND ATTACHED DECK WAS ALL ONE PERMIT.

AND THAT'S AGAIN ONE PERMIT WITH MULTIPLE INSPECTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SPLIT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOOD EITHER.

HAVING BOTH OF THOSE UNDER ONE PERMIT.

SO IT'S GOOD I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT, I MEAN, THE INITIAL ISSUE WAS THAT YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS WITH MULTIPLE PHASES.

YEAH. SO THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE INITIAL CONCERN.

BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DOING MULTIPLE INSPECTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN UNDER ONE PERMIT, ONE FEE THAT STARTS TO GET INTO THAT TO WHERE I'M MAKING SIX TRIPS INSTEAD OF THREE TRIPS.

RIGHT. THAT THAT STARTS TO MUDDY, MUDDY THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT, TOO.

BUT THEN YOU ALSO GOT THE SITUATION LIKE THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION ON PELICAN ROAD WHERE HAD ROB NOT WRITTEN ON THERE.

THIS ONLY RIGHT.

WE WOULD YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON RIGHT.

MY MY FRAMING INSPECTOR WOULD HAVE PASSED IT.

YEAH. HE SAID OH THERE'S THERE'S ALREADY A STICKER AND IT'S ALREADY SIGNED OFF.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THIS SETS OFF A LITTLE YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, HOLD ON.

THAT WAS FROM A YEAR AGO.

AND I JUST DID FOOTERS ON THIS IN DECEMBER.

RIGHT. YOU COULDN'T HAVE HAD A ROUGH WIRE BEFORE YOU HAD THE FOOTER INSPECTION.

IT WAS PRE WIRED. PRE WIRED.

IT WAS MODULAR. IT CAME THAT WAY RIGHT.

RIGHT. SO BUT ONE THING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS YOU KNOW THE ATTACHMENT OF THE CONTRACTORS TO THE BUILDING PERMIT.

THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH.

YEAH. WE GOT THAT OTHER DISCUSSION TOO, BUT I WANTED TO GET THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON THAT, TO ASSIST ON THE INSPECTION AGENCY SIDE AND TO NOT HAVE THESE THINGS HAPPEN WHERE SOMEBODY GOES OUT, SEES A ROOFING INSPECTION AND THINKS IT'S DONE AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DIDN'T LOOK BACK AND LOOK AT THE NOTES.

I MEAN, IN THIS CASE, IT WAS GREAT.

THEY DID AND NOTED IT, BUT IT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN OVERLOOKED AND THOUGHT THAT WAS ALL INSPECTED AND WASN'T.

YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT AND THEN WE GOT TWO SEPARATE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS BECAUSE THEY HIRED ONE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE GARAGE AND A DIFFERENT ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR, WHICH CAN POSE ANOTHER SET OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ABC DOES THIS PART AND GETS THE ROUGH END AND X, Y, Z COMES OUT AND GETS THE FINAL.

BUT BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A STICKER AND THEN THERE'S A PROBLEMS AND THEN YOU COME LIABILITY ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD.

SO MY THOUGHT IS WE DO THEM SEPARATE.

I MEAN I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HAPPY ABOUT IT.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE THEY LEGITIMATELY DO SIMULTANEOUSLY CALL IN AND LOOK AT ALL FOOTERS AT THE SAME TIME AND ALL FRAMING, RIGHT.

IN THE REAL WORLD, THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN NOW.

IT'S ALWAYS THIS PROJECT FIRST.

THIS ONE COMES SECOND BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET SOMETHING OF THAT PHASE DONE BEFORE THEY MOVE TO THE I MEAN, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHEN I'VE GOT SOME APARTMENT PROJECTS I'VE DONE AND I'VE CALLED ADAM AND SAID, HEY, I'M BRINGING YOU IN ONE TIME FOR AN INSPECTION BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING DEVICES IN EACH UNIT.

SO HE'S NOT GOING TO CHARGE ME WHAT HE WOULD TYPICALLY CHARGE ME TO COME IN FOR A ROUGH IN AND A FINAL AND SERVICE AND ALL THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOT DOING HE'S COMING THERE AT ONE TIME, AND I'M GIVING HIM 4 OR 5 SIX UNITS AT A TIME WHEN HE COMES THERE.

SO, I MEAN, IT AFFECTS HIM AS FAR AS NOW.

IF I WAS BRINGING HIM BACK INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH UNIT EVERY SINGLE TIME.

AND I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY IF A PROJECT GETS PERMITTED THAT LET'S SAY THIS IS THE ADDITION RENOVATION THING, THEY ADD A BACK PORCH AND REMODEL THEIR

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KITCHEN. IF IT'S ON ONE PERMIT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO WORK WITH ADDING INSPECTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT END UP WOULD HAPPEN.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD INSPECTIONS INTO THEIR LIST OF INSPECTIONS REQUIRED.

ADAM BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.

WE DO TEND TO SEE PERMITS WHERE THEY'RE REMODELING THE EXISTING HOUSE, PLUS ADDING AN ADDITION.

AND THEY DO TEND TO GO HAND IN HAND.

BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE WORKING ON THE RENOVATION FIRST AND MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, DID THE FOOTER FOUNDATION AND FRAMING TO GET IT WEATHERTIGHT.

AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE FULL REMODEL AND TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

BUT I THINK IT MAY BE A CASE BY CASE THING.

WE JUST HAD ONE THAT WAS IN TALBOT COUNTY.

REMODEL A KITCHEN.

ADD AN ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

JUST A ONE ROOM ADDITION.

THEY REMODELED THE KITCHEN AND ABOUT TWO MONTHS ELAPSED BEFORE THE OTHER.

BUT IT WAS ALL DONE UNDER ONE PERMIT.

THE CONTRACTOR TOLD ME THAT WHEN WE STARTED, AND I.

THAT'S UNUSUAL, ISN'T IT? AND HE SAID, WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID AND THAT'S OKAY.

SO WHEN I CALLED TO GET THE SECOND ROUGH WIRING DONE, THE LADY AT THE DESK, THE SECRETARY SAID, WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THAT DONE.

EXACTLY. I SAID, NO, NO, IT'S TWO SEPARATE JOBS, BUT IT WAS ISSUED ONE PERMIT.

WELL, WE DON'T DO THAT.

WELL, I'M SORRY YOU DID ON THIS ONE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT CONFUSED EVERYBODY.

IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

IT'S NOT EASIER BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING.

AND I COULD HAVE JUST WALKED AWAY AND NEVER CONSTRUCTION, NEVER GOT ANY INSPECTION.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES.

I'VE GOT A PROJECT AT THE LANDFILL IN BEULAH, AND IT'S AN ADMIN BUILDING SCALE HOUSE AND A POLE BARN.

SO IT'S THREE BUILDINGS.

IT'S ALL ON THE SAME PROPERTY.

AND WHEN I WENT DOWN TO DORCHESTER COUNTY, THAT'S WHEN I ASKED HIM, ARE YOU DOING ONE PERMIT OR ARE WE DOING THREE PERMITS AND END UP WE END UP DOING THREE PERMITS, WHICH TO ME I THOUGHT WAS BETTER TOO, BECAUSE IT KEPT IT CLEAN, BECAUSE THEN I GET THREE ROUGH ENDS, YOU KNOW, THREE CEILING INSPECTIONS, THREE FINALS AND NOT ONE PERMIT THAT YOU GOT TO DO THAT ON THE OTHER.

I THINK MAYBE ADAM CAN SPEAK TO THIS SOMETIMES, EVEN IN A NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT WHERE YOU HAVE A NEW DWELLING AND TWO DECKS OR SOMETHING, THEY'RE READY TO GET IN THAT HOUSE.

THEY WANT THEIR CO, THEY'RE FINISHED.

THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT DECK AT THE MOMENT.

THEY WANT TO GET IN THE HOUSE.

WELL THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT WAS PERMITTED FOR A HOUSE AND A DECK.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND A COMPLETION.

WE'RE SAYING THAT EVERYTHING ON THAT PERMIT IS DONE, BUT REALLY, IT'S NOT.

IT'S ONLY PART OF IT. SO THEN YOU GOT TO GO BACK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT TO IDENTIFY.

WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE DECK. YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT LATER TO ACTUALLY CLOSE OUT THE PERMIT.

HAD THEY BEEN SEPARATE YOU COULD BECAUSE THEN I CAN THEN I CAN GET GET THE CEO WITH MY DECK THAT WASN'T BUILT, BUILT A CRAPPY DECK AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT LATER IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL, YOU APPROVED IT. IT'S.

YES. THAT ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

TO ADD ANOTHER TWIST INTO IT.

THE LADY ACTUALLY DIED BEFORE THE ADDITION WAS FINISHED.

SO I GOT PAID, SO I'M GOOD.

I THINK SPLITTING THEM AND MAKE THEM MULTIPLE PERMITS IS THE RIGHT CALL.

OKAY. AND I MEAN, I'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR PERMIT STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AND START LOOKING AT THAT.

AND IF WE FEEL THERE IS A SITUATION WHERE IT'S OKAY TO DO IT ON ONE PERMIT, WE WILL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TALK TO EVERYBODY AND LET THEM KNOW.

HERE ARE THE COMPLICATIONS AND THE SITUATIONS THAT ARISE OUT OF THAT.

BUT, I MEAN, THERE IS PROBABLY SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE UNDER ONE, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.

YOU WILL YOU WILL PROBABLY BE BETTER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH A CONTRACTOR PULLING A PERMIT THAN A HOMEOWNER PULLING A PERMIT.

YES, BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR PROBABLY ALREADY HAS AN IDEA OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO PROGRESS.

THE HOMEOWNER IS NOT.

AND I MEAN, THERE'S AND I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS OF THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT IF IT BECOMES A COST SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, IF I DID IT UNDER ONE PERMIT, I'D SPENT, YOU KNOW, $100 LESS BECAUSE THERE'S A MINIMUM FEE FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

MAYBE THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE COME NEXT BUDGET YEAR WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FEE SCHEDULES FOR BUILDING PERMITS, TO SAY TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WHAT ABOUT THIS? LOOKING AT THIS AS A SUB PERMIT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NEW HOUSE, YOU'RE DOING A DECK, IT'S A SUB PERMIT OF IT.

SO THEREFORE IT'LL BE A LESSER COST.

IT'LL BE A LESSER FEE BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT AT THE SAME TIME.

YOU KNOW THAT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD ENTERTAIN, BUT WE'LL SAVE THAT FOR A LATER DATE.

YOU COULD. I MEAN, AT THE SAME TIME, REALLY, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU WERE DOING IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IT SHOULD BE THE SAME, RIGHT? WE COULD CALCULATE IT UNDER.

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THIS IS THE FEE. THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS.

WE HAVE TO DO TWO OTHER ONES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

BUT IT'S NO ADDITIONAL COST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY INCORPORATED THE SAME.

IT'S CHARGED BY SQUARE FOOT.

SO GENERALLY THERE'S A THERE'S A $50 MINIMUM FEE.

BUT MAYBE THAT DECK BEING ON THAT ONE PERMIT BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ONLY INCREASED THE PERMIT BY $25.

SO INSTEAD OF THEM PAYING 50, THEY'LL STILL PAY THE 25.

IT'S JUST STILL A SEPARATE PERMIT, BUT STILL TIED FEE WISE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT SO THAT THE COST DOESN'T BECOME A BURDEN.

AND THEN JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ADAM IS ABLE TO BE COMPENSATED OFF OF THAT, TOO.

BUT I THINK IN OUR CONTRACT WE HAVE WORDING IN THERE FOR ADDITIONAL TRIPS FOR ADDITIONAL FEES.

SO I MEAN LIKE THAT FLICKER JOB, YOU KNOW, IF I END UP WITH ANOTHER SEVEN TRIPS WHERE I SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN IN 3 OR 4 TO BEGIN WITH, THEN I CAN IF I WANT TO, I CAN. AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT COULD BE A SELLING POINT FOR THEM TO GET TWO PERMITS ALSO, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCUR ADDITIONAL FEES IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL TRIPS BECAUSE OF HOW YOU PHASE THE PROJECT, AND YOUR FEES ARE GOING TO BE MORE THAN THEY WERE JUST FOR THAT INITIAL RATE.

THAT WAS INITIALLY, YOU MIGHT HAVE PAID $75 FOR THE DECK FOR THREE INSPECTIONS.

RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GONNA PAY 150.

YOU'RE PAYING $75 PER INSPECTION BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR MINIMUM TRIP FEE.

BUT IF IT'S A CONTRACT JOB, IT'S ALSO HARD ON THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE HE MIGHT LIKE LOTS OF TIMES I PUT INSPECTIONS INCLUDED IN MY PROPOSAL, AND NOW THERE'S $150 WORTH VERSUS FIVE.

I GOTTA EAT THAT 75.

WHERE? IF EVERYBODY KNOWS IT UP FRONT, IT'S IN THERE.

AND AGAIN, THE HOUSE COULD BE BUILT BY ONE CONTRACTOR AND THEY DECIDE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE BUILD THE DECK.

I FEEL LIKE WE WE DON'T TYPICALLY LOOK AT ANYTHING SPECIAL LIKE THAT.

LIKE, SAY YOU'RE BUILDING A HOUSE AND YOU DO THE FOOTER IN 3 IN 3 SECTIONS BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE HOUSE.

WE'RE NOT IT'S THE CONTRACTOR I'M DEALING WITH.

THE CONTRACTOR. IT'S WHEN IT'S WHEN WE GET INTO THESE MESSY REMODEL ADDITION THINGS AND THEY'RE PHASING IT BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.

IT'S IT'S AND YOU GOT AND YOU START GETTING A FEELING THAT IT'S NOT CONTRACTORS DOING THE WORK OR THERE'S SOMETHING.

YEAH, BUT YEAH.

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO.

THERE WOULDN'T BE A TIME LIMIT BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE DEBT.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO GET DONE TO MAKE DAYS OR MONTHS OR WHATEVER.

SO PERMIT'S GOOD FOR A YEAR.

FOR A YEAR. EVEN IF WE DID IT TOGETHER ON ONE PERMIT OR ON SEPARATE PERMITS.

THEY WOULD BOTH BE ISSUED FOR A YEAR AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION.

SO LET'S SAY THEY GOT THE HOUSE DONE.

THEY RAN OUT OF MONEY.

THEY HAD THE PERMIT FOR THE DECK.

THEY COULD REQUEST AN EXTENSION ON THE DECK, BUT WE COULD CLOSE OUT THE HOUSE AND GIVE THEM THEIR OCCUPANCY, GIVE THEM AN EXTENSION ON THE DECK.

NORMALLY YOU HAVE A YEAR TO GET THAT RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER? SO I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

I WAS CONTACTED BY DAVE DRAPER.

THEY HAD A POOL BUILT BY MARSTON'S, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET AN ELECTRICAL INSPECTION, AND I THINK I WANT TO SAY GARRETT GERMAN WAS ON THE PERMIT.

CORRECT. CRYSTAL. YES.

SO APPARENTLY MARSTON'S DID THE WIRING AND CALLED GERMAN TO CALL IN FOR INSPECTION.

HE TOLD THEM NO.

NOW I THINK NOW GERMAN IS OFF THE PERMIT.

CORRECT. IS THERE AN OPEN PERMIT NOW? SO THERE WAS A BUILDING PERMIT APPLIED FOR FOR THE POOL, AND THERE WAS AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT APPLIED FOR THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS FOR THE POOL BY GARRETT GERMAN. THEY DID.

GARRETT GERMAN DID THE BONDING.

ONLY THEY CALLED IN.

THEY GOT THEIR INSPECTION BACK IN JULY.

THEY NOTIFIED US THAT THEY WERE NO LONGER THE ELECTRICIAN ON THE JOB.

THE ONLY INSPECTION AND WORK THAT THEY DID WAS FOR THE BONDING.

SO PLEASE CLOSE OUT OUR ELECTRICAL PERMIT.

AND SINCE THAT TIME THERE'S BEEN NO NEW ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR IDENTIFIED TO COMPLETE THE REST OF THE ELECTRICAL WORK.

BUT THE WIRING IS DONE.

THE POOL'S OPERATIONAL.

THEY CAN'T GET A FINAL ON IT BECAUSE MARSTON'S DID THE WORK, BUT THEY CAN'T FIND AN ELECTRICIAN TO PULL THE PERMIT AND GET THE FINAL INSPECTIONS.

SO NOW THE DRAPERS ARE KIND OF STUCK WITH THE OWNER.

BELIEVE I'D HAVE TO CIRCLE BACK TO STACEY OR CODES ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, BUT I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL OPEN MASTER PERMITS, AND I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THAT'S NOT FINAL IS BECAUSE THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL INSPECTION ISSUE WITH ALL OF THEM.

AND MARSTON'S TOLD THE DRAPERS THAT THEY HAVE AN ELECTRICIAN, BUT HE'S IN DELAWARE AND HE'S NOT LICENSED IN MARYLAND.

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SO THERE'S SOMETHING FISHY GOING AROUND WITH THE WHOLE MASK THING.

AND THAT WAS THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, IS THERE MORE PERMITS OUT THERE? BECAUSE THIS IS HAPPENING MORE THAN ONE PLACE.

THIS ISN'T AN ISOLATED INCIDENT.

IS THERE ANY RECOURSE TO ACTUALLY NOT ALLOW THEM ANY MORE PERMITS UNTIL THIS IS STRAIGHTENED OUT? IS IT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAY BE COMING TO THE MEETING? NO. THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STUART TO SAY, YOU KNOW, DOES THE DOES THE BOARD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED TO DO.

YEAH, THEY'RE DOING WORK UNLICENSED.

YEAH, THEY'RE DOING UNLICENSED WORK.

THAT. BUT FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.

WELL, WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO CIRCUMVENT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TELL THE HOMEOWNER TO APPLY FOR IT AS THE DC AND GET AROUND IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT WOULD BE, BUT BUT THE HOMEOWNER MAYBE A LETTER FROM THE BOARD SAYING THIS IS A PROBLEM, WE KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING AND YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

AND MY STAFF SAY, HERE'S A LIST OF ALL YOUR PERMITS THAT ARE STILL OPEN WITH NO, YOU KNOW, FINAL INSPECTIONS OR NO ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS.

AND IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO FIND OUT THAT NUMBER AND SAY, YEAH, WE CAN I CAN GET STACY TO PULL THAT.

AND I KNOW MR. KITCHEN WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN WE DOVE INTO THIS MANY YEARS AGO WITH THE POULTRY HOUSES.

I WAS THERE TOO. YOU WERE HERE TOO THEN.

SO WE ENDED UP LOOKING INTO THAT.

AND THE TRADES BOARD SAID WE SENT OUT.

WE I THINK WE HAD A HEARING. YEAH WE DID, WE HAD A HEARING WITH PAUL BARNES.

SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S THE, THE THE SOLUTION IS THEY GET CALLED IN FOR A HEARING.

WE CAN WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT WITH STUART.

YEAH. LIKE I SAID, I JUST I GOT THE FEELING THAT THIS IS THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT.

THIS IS THERE'S MORE OF THAT GOING ON.

I GOT CALLED A MONTH OR TWO AGO TO TO COME TO A FINAL OR THAT WAS ALREADY ON THE FINAL END, AND I DIDN'T EVEN FIND OUT WHO IT WAS.

I KNOW I'M NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN THAT.

THAT'S TROUBLE. POOL A.

POOL ESPECIALLY.

THAT'S ONE IT'S.

AND ADAM, YOU KNOW AS WELL I MEAN THAT'S YEAH I DO ALMOST NO POOLS TO BEGIN WITH AND I'M NOT GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S MESS.

YEAH, I THINK MAYBE THEY GET CALLED IN FOR A HEARING FOR PERFORMING ELECTRICAL WORK WITHOUT ANY LICENSE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR AUTHORITY LIES NOW BECAUSE IT'S A STATE LICENSE.

YOU STILL HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

BUT WHAT I'M BEING TOLD, I BELIEVE STILL BEING CALLED IN AT LEAST LETS THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, SOMEBODY'S LOOKING, SOMEBODY'S WATCHING.

ESPECIALLY IF YOU FIND OUT THERE'S MORE PERMITS THAT HAVE THIS SAME ISSUE AND THAT, THEN THAT'S DEFINITELY A PROBLEM.

YEAH, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THE WORK.

LIKE I SAID, THIS POOL WAS IS WORKING WELL NOT TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM, BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN A GIANT CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP AT MAX POOLS. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S THE CASE TO SOME OF THE BOYS HAVE TAKEN OVER AND.

THINGS ARE MAYBE NOT BEING DONE THE WAY THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

EXACTLY. AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN CORRECT.

I DO KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AND THAT I THINK SOME LETTERS WERE SENT OUT FROM OUR OFFICE TO MARSDEN POOLS WITH A LIST OF HEY, YOU DON'T HAVE THESE INSPECTIONS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CALLING IN FOR FINALS.

AND I THINK IT WAS THERE WAS NO ELECTRIC AND THAT'S WHY THEY WEREN'T CALLING IN FOR THE FINAL.

SO I CAN CIRCLE BACK TO SEE IF THAT EVER WAS REMEDIED, IF THEY'RE STILL OPEN.

AND THEN MAYBE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE PULL THEM IN FOR A HEARING.

SO I THINK MAYBE IF WE GET THAT INFORMATION, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MEET AGAIN.

WE GET THAT INFORMATION. WE GET THAT INFORMATION.

WE CAN JUST DECIDE, CAN WE? JUST LIKE I THINK IF STAFF MAKES THAT DECISION, THEN WE JUST SCHEDULE.

WE SCHEDULE A MEETING. WE DON'T HAVE TO EXCUSE ME, SCHEDULE A MEETING TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE NEED TO GET ON.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE STAFF AUTHORIZATION THAT IF THEY FIND THIS IS THE CASE AND SEND THEM A LETTER, MAKE A MOTION TO THAT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO WHETHER THERE'S ANY OPEN PERMITS AND MORE SUSPECTED ELECTRICAL WORK BEING DONE WITHOUT PERMITS. AND IF SO, THEN WE SEND A LETTER TO THE MASONS AND ASK THEM TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

SO, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT DISCUSSION OF CHANGE OF CONTRACTORS ON PERMITS.

WELL, THAT WAS MY NEXT. THAT WAS MY NEXT ONE.

OKAY. SO THERE'S NOT ALWAYS BEEN A CLEAR WAY OF HANDLING

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HOW CONTRACTORS GET CHANGED ON PERMITS MANY TIMES.

SO WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, IF YOU DECLARE THERE'S GOING TO BE ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING WORK, IN SOME CASES, IT'S A HOUSE.

WE KNOW YOU GOT ELECTRIC AND PLUMBING, BUT NOT ALWAYS WITH A POLE BUILDING OR SOME OTHER SITUATION, BUT IF YOU DECLARE AND YOU SAY THERE'S ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING BEFORE WE WILL ISSUE THE PERMIT, ALL CONTRACTORS HAVE TO BE LISTED ON THE PERMIT.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR ELECTRIC.

YOU'RE JUST WANTING TO GET THE PERMIT AND AND GET IT IN.

SO WE'LL FIGURE OUT MY ELECTRICIAN WHEN WE GET THERE OR I'M THINKING ABOUT TWO.

SO WE KNOW THEY'RE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

AND USUALLY THAT'S DETERMINED AT THE POINT THEY COME IN AND FILE FOR THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTION.

YOU CHECK THE BUILDING PERMIT AND YOU SEE, OH, WELL, YOU LISTED YOUR KITCHEN ON THERE, BUT YET YOU'RE USING SOMEBODY ELSE.

SO WE WOULD UPDATE THE BUILDING PERMIT WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR.

BUT THEN WE GET THE ONES THAT CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW SOMEBODY IS UNHAPPY.

SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET PAID.

THERE'S MULTIPLE REASONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TWO GENERAL ONES THAT THE ELECTRICIAN LEAVES AND A NEW ONE COMES ON BOARD, BUT THERE'S NO REAL CLOSING REALLY.

NOTIFICATION SOMETIMES THERE'S NO CHANGE HAPPENS.

A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY COME IN AND HEY, I'M TAKING OVER THE ELECTRICAL JOB.

YOU KNOW, THE ELECTRICAL FOR THIS JOB, THEY GET A PERMIT AND THEY CONTINUE ON.

BUT THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A NOTIFICATION TO THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR WHO'S ALREADY PULLED A PERMIT TO SAY, HEY, WE ON SUCH AND SUCH DATE.

THE HOMEOWNER NOTIFIED US THAT YOU'RE NO LONGER THE ELECTRICIAN FOR THE JOB.

PUT THEM ON NOTICE AND PHYSICALLY CLOSE OUT THAT PERMIT.

UPON THAT NOTIFICATION SO NOTHING ELSE CAN HAPPEN UNDER THAT PERMIT.

BECAUSE THEN YOU GET THE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMETIMES SOMEBODY'S OPERATING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PERMIT, BUT THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD BE NOTIFIED THAT WE'RE CLOSING OUT YOUR PERMIT. AND SOMETIMES WE GET GRIEF BACK SAYING, YOU CAN'T CLOSE OUT MY PERMIT.

I'M OWED MONEY.

THAT'S NOT OUR DEPARTMENT'S JOB TO TO DEAL WITH THE FINANCIAL ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT UP IN COURT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S. BUT WE CAN'T TELL SOMEONE.

YOU CAN'T PROCEED WITH YOUR PROJECT BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A DISPUTE WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR OVER MONEY.

IF YOU TELL US YOU WANT TO USE A NEW CONTRACTOR, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO HOLD THAT UP.

BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND CLEAR TO ALL PARTIES HEARTIES THAT, YES, THIS PERMIT WAS CLOSED OUT OF THIS DATE.

THIS WAS IT ONLY WENT THROUGH ROUGH AND INSPECTION AND WE NOTIFIED THE CONTRACTOR.

AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE NEW PERMIT TO CONTINUE BEYOND THE THE ROUGH END.

I KNOW MANY YEARS AGO, A LONG TIME AGO WE ONLY DEALT WITH MIDDLE DEPARTMENT AROUND HERE.

THAT WAS BEFORE FIRST STATE.

AND THEY WOULD REQUIRE THE CONTRACTOR LEAVING TO GIVE THEM IN WRITING.

I AM NO LONGER INVOLVED WITH THIS JOB AND THE CONTRACTOR TAKING OVER TO GIVE THEM IN WRITING.

I AM TAKING OVER THIS JOB OR THEY WOULD JUST STOP INSPECTIONS.

THEY JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AND SOMETIMES THAT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC TOO IS TRYING TO TRACK DOWN.

ESPECIALLY IF YOU GOT A CONTRACTOR.

LIKE IF I SIGN OFF, I MAY NEVER GET PAID, I'M NEVER GOING TO GET PAID.

SO THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

SO I THINK JUST NOTIFICATION FROM OUR OFFICE TO THE CONTRACTOR, THE PERMIT GETS CLOSED.

YOU GET A SEPARATE PERMIT.

AND THEN FOR THE INSPECTION AGENCY'S PURPOSE.

I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE A LITTLE COMPLICATED, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TWO ELECTRICAL PERMITS FOR THE SAME PROJECT.

AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE CLEAR IN THE NOTES FOR THAT PERMIT THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, REFER BACK TO THIS PERMIT.

SAME JOB, SAME PERMIT NUMBER.

JUST CHANGE OF CONTRACTOR DONE UNDER THIS ELECTRICAL PERMIT.

THIS PERMIT IS FOR THE FINAL ONLY, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ON THE NEW PERMIT AND REFERS BACK TO THE OLD ONE FOR ANY PRIOR WORK THAT WAS DONE.

AND I WAS BRINGING THIS UP, BUT I WOULD LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS MY NEXT POINT I WAS GETTING TO BECAUSE I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR IN EASTON, HAD TWO PROJECTS IN CAROLINE COUNTY WHERE HE'S DONE THE WORK.

GOT THE ROUGH END.

NOW THEY'RE READY FOR HIM TO TRIM OUT, BUT HE HADN'T BEEN PAID.

NOW HE'S NO LONGER ON THE PERMIT, SO NOW HE DOESN'T HAVE A YOU CAN DO THAT APPARENTLY AND SEE.

SO SO THEN THAT WE DON'T REMOVE THAT.

THERE ENDS UP BEING TWO ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS ON THAT PERMIT.

JUST UP TO THIS POINT, IT WAS THIS ONE.

AND AFTER THIS DATE, IT WAS THIS ONE.

WE DON'T JUST REMOVE THEM COMPLETELY BECAUSE THEY DID DO PART OF THE WORK, BECAUSE THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS LISTED NOT ONLY ON THE ELECTRICAL PERMIT, BUT ON THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING PERMIT AS WELL JUST RETAIN BOTH ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS BECAUSE THEY BOTH DO.

SO THEN I CALLED QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY BECAUSE I KNEW YEARS AGO, QUEEN ANNE COUNTY CAME UP WITH A POLICY TO KIND OF STOP THIS KIND OF THING HAPPENING BECAUSE IT WAS EASY FOR, YOU KNOW, GET ONE GUY IN TO DO 90% OF THE WORK AND KICK HIM OFF THE JOB AND GET SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN AND DO 10% OF THE WORK, PAY HIM 10% OF THE MONEY.

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AND YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE OUT LIKE A FAT RAT.

BUT SO QUEEN ANNE COUNTY HAD ADOPTED A POLICY WHERE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THERE WAS A COPY INCLUDED WITH OUR PACKET WHERE THEY REQUIRE YOU TO GO OUT AND DO A FINAL OF WHAT WORK IS IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE CONTRACTOR BEING REMOVED.

SO YOU CAN. YOU HAVE A POINT SAYING, OKAY, AS OF THIS DATE, THIS IS WHAT'S DONE.

AND THIS IS OKAY.

SO ANYTHING AFTER IS THE NEXT GUYS.

BECAUSE YOU STILL. THERE AGAIN YOU STILL GOT LIABILITY ISSUES IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.

WHY DID THE HOUSE BURN DOWN.

IT WAS ELECTRICAL WIRING.

ELECTRICAL WIRING. YOU'RE GOING TO POINT AT HIM.

EXACTLY. AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING TO POINT BACK.

AT AT HIM. AND HE'S GOING TO TELL YOU HE DON'T HAVE ANY LIABILITY.

IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU, ADAM? DOES THAT WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOUR INSPECTORS WHEN YOU WOULD SEE TWO ELECTRICAL PERMITS FOR THE SAME JOB, THAT THERE WOULD BE CLEAR NOTATION OF WHAT TRANSPIRED? YEAH, THAT WE KIND OF WHEN WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF ISSUE, THAT'S WE.

SO THE APPLICATION THAT YOU FILL OUT, THE OUR APPLICATION IS SEPARATE FROM YOUR CARROLL COUNTY PAPERWORK ON THAT APPLICATION INTERNALLY.

WE USUALLY END UP STAPLING THOSE TWO APPS TOGETHER.

WE WRITE ON THE NEW APP, REFER TO THIS APP FOR YOU, AND WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING IN THE PERMITTING SYSTEM TO I MEAN, TO TO DO A IF BOTH PERMITS WERE LEFT OPEN.

IS THAT WHAT WE WERE KIND OF YOU WERE KIND OF THINKING.

YEAH. MY THOUGHT IS, IS IF THIS CONTRACTOR MADE IT THROUGH RUFFIN AND THEN HE LEFT, WE WOULD CLOSE THAT PERMIT OUT AND WE WOULD MAKE A NOTE WHEN THE NEW PERMIT WAS ISSUED TO REFER NOW TO THIS NEW PERMIT UNDER THIS NEW CONTRACTOR, THE FINAL THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS MAYBE IF THERE IS OUTSTANDING VIOLATIONS THAT ARE STILL EXIST ON THE ORIGINAL PERMIT.

THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD CLOSE THAT PERMIT OUT UNTIL ALL INSPECTIONS ARE SATISFIED.

OKAY. SO IF YOU KNOW THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO MIGHT BE PART OF THAT FINAL MAYBE NOT CALL IT A FINAL.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO.

I WOULD WANT THAT PERMIT TO BE CLEAN THAT WAY.

THE NEW ELECTRICIAN OR NEW PLUMBER OR WHOEVER IT IS, THAT'S THAT'S USUALLY THE PROBLEM IS THEY'RE WORRIED TO DEATH ABOUT TAKING OVER SOMEBODY ELSE'S.

BUT WOULD THE ASSUMPTION BE THAT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO FIX IT? SOMEBODY'S GOT TO FIX IT.

SO EITHER THE NEW ELECTRICIAN, IF HE HE WANTS TO PROCEED WITH HIS WORK, HE'S EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO FIX IT OR THE OUTGOING PERSON IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE IT RIGHT.

BUT I DON'T I WOULDN'T WANT A CONTRACTOR TO BE ABLE TO DO WORK THAT IS IN VIOLATION AND THEN BE ABLE TO LEAVE IT.

RIGHT. AND JUST SAY, WELL, I'M DONE.

ANYTHING A CONTRACTOR DOES SHOULD BE TO CODE.

OKAY. THAT THAT WOULD BE IS THERE IT? IS THERE A WAY TO.

OKAY. URS.

WALKING AWAY FROM THE JOB ON THIS PERMIT, CAN YOU SHELVE THAT PERMIT UNTIL THE EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED? ONCE THERE'S A FINAL, THEN YOU CAN SAY OKAY, EVERYTHING WAS DONE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE AND BOTH PERMITS GET CLOSED.

FORTUNATELY, YOU DON'T GET THE NEW PERMIT UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED.

IF YOU, AS THE NEW CONTRACTOR COMING IN, WANT TO TAKE ON THOSE VIOLATIONS AND CORRECT THEM.

OKAY. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US.

OKAY. HANDS OFF, I WANT NOTHING.

WELL, THEN I CAN'T GIVE YOU A PERMIT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS STILL HANGING OUT THERE.

I MEAN, USUALLY AS A CONTRACTOR MYSELF, THOSE KIND OF SITUATIONS WHERE I'M GETTING A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEBODY AND SAYING, HEY, WE GOT THIS JOB AND IT'S BEEN ROUGHED IN, AND THE GUY WON'T COME BACK AND GET OFF.

I'M CALLING THAT OTHER GUY.

WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID, ARE YOU? STEP INTO THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID, ARE YOU? NOPE. OKAY.

I'M NOT DOING IT EITHER.

GET BOTH SIDES OF THAT STORY.

NOT JUST ONE. ONCE. TRUE.

NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN.

THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

BUT YOU GET SOME OF THESE GUYS.

THAT'S JUST A GUY RUNNING AROUND IN HIS PICKUP DOING THIS STUFF, AND HE'S GOING TO JUMP ALL OVER THAT.

BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO GET MY FOOT IN THE DOOR.

BUT IT ALSO GETS YOU BROKE.

BUT WELL THOSE CASES THEN WE CAN YOU KNOW, WE CAN HANDLE THAT SEPARATELY.

IF WE SEE THAT THERE'S A FAILED INSPECTION ON THE PERMIT THEY'RE TRYING TO CLOSE OUT.

WE'RE NOT PROCEEDING.

WE'RE NOT PROCEEDING WITH THE NEW ONE.

UNLESS THAT NEW ELECTRICIAN WANTS TO TAKE OWNERSHIP AND MAKE IT RIGHT.

OKAY, THEN. FINE, WE'LL WE'LL PROCEED.

BUT IF NOT, THIS HAS TO BE REMEDIED.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO FIX IT, THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE YOUR ELECTRICAL WORK UNTIL IT'S FIXED? SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY TO HANDLE THEM.

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YEAH, I HAVE A SITUATION.

I HAD A SITUATION DOWN IN WHATCOM COUNTY.

I ACTUALLY CALLED WICOMICO COUNTY BECAUSE I HAD AN OWNER AND A CONTRACTOR.

BOTH OF THEM WOULD DRIVE ME NUTS, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT MY OPTIONS WERE.

AND THEN WHATCOM COUNTY JUST PULLED MY PERMIT.

SO YOU'RE DONE. I SAID, OKAY.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN GIVE ME A CHOICE.

I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO TELL THE PEOPLE I PULLED MY PERMIT.

YOU HAD SOMEBODY ELSE COME FINISH IT.

I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING VIOLATIONS.

NO I DIDN'T. YOU WOULD SATISFY THAT, RIGHT? THE PERMIT UP TO THAT POINT, IT WAS SATISFIED.

ACTUALLY, ADAM WAS THE ONE THAT CALLED ME AND SAID WHATCOM COUNTY JUST PULLED YOUR PERMIT.

YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD.

IF I NEEDED TO DO THAT, HE SAID, NO.

YOU CAN HOLD IT. ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. THAT THAT WAS A UNIQUE SITUATION AND THIS IS NOT NEW TO US IN THE BUILDING PERMIT WORLD EITHER.

I MEAN, MANY TIMES SOMEBODY COMES IN TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND IT'S DISCOVERED THERE'S VIOLATIONS BECAUSE YOU BUILT THIS WITHOUT A PERMIT, AND WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO PROCEED WITH THE NEW PERMIT UNTIL IT'S REMEDIED.

RIGHT. SO EITHER FIND YOUR CONTRACTOR OR FIND A NEW CONTRACTOR.

BUT THE VIOLATIONS THERE HAS GOT TO BE CORRECTED BEFORE YOU CAN PROCEED WITH ANYTHING.

AND WE TREAT THIS THE SAME WAY.

NO, I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A SMART THING.

SOUNDS LEGIT TO ME.

I THINK THE QUEEN ANNE COUNTY DID THAT.

WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE HARDER FOR SOMEBODY TO GET TAKEN OFF A PERMIT FOR THE WHOLE MONEY SITUATION THING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT EASY.

NOW, WE GOT A SCHEDULE TO HAVE INSPECTOR COME OUT.

SO IT'S GOING TO SLOW YOUR JOB DOWN.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY QUEEN ANNE COUNTY DID IT.

I MEAN, I AGREE WE'RE NOT.

YEAH. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN THE CIVIL THE CIVIL MATTERS ABOUT MONEY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGH, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT THE CASE IS.

IT IS. THAT'S MORE I GUESS THAT'S A CIVIL MATTER TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT CIVILLY.

IT'S NOT A CODE ISSUE.

IT'S NOT A PERMITTING ISSUE.

SO. OKAY.

AND I THINK THAT WAS ALL THAT I HAD.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOU GUYS KNOW.

WE ASKED BOBBY TO STEP UP AND HE WAS CONFIRMED BY THE COMMISSIONERS.

SO NOW HE IS STUCK WITH US.

YEAH. SO THEY DID TELL YOU IT WAS INDEFINITE PERIOD, RIGHT? NO. HE SAID THREE YEARS.

YEAH. YEAH. BUT THAT THREE YEARS IS INDEFINITE.

OH, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. THREE THREES TURNED INTO 30.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE I WAS 12.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG I'VE BEEN HERE.

AND THEY WERE HERE WHEN I GOT HERE.

SO HE WAS HERE BEFORE ME.

IF HE GOES PAST TEN, I CAN'T COUNT HIM.

SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

HOW'S THINGS BEEN GOING? SINCE THE CODES, LIKE CODE ADDITIONS, CHANGE OVER TO THE 2021 CODES FOR BUILDING.

WE'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO SEE SOME FRAMING AND ENERGY INSPECTIONS FOR PERMITS THAT WERE FORMED AFTER JULY.

AND IT HAS NOT BEEN.

I THINK EVERYBODY GOT ON BOARD EARLY ENOUGH THAT WE KIND OF PUSHED IT OUT THERE ALMOST A YEAR IN ADVANCE TO EVERYBODY, LIKE EVERY EMAIL WE SENT OUT FROM THE OFFICE WAS, YOU KNOW, PLEASE NOTE, AS OF THIS DATE, THERE'S A CHANGE.

HAVE YOU RUN INTO ANY PROBLEMS WITH YOUR CHANGE IN BUILDING INSPECTIONS UNDER THE NEW CODE? NO. NOT YET.

HE'S NOT GETTING ANY PERMITS OR INSPECTIONS.

OH, SHOOT. WE'RE ON FOR GORDON.

ON EXTERIOR WALLS.

AND MOST OF THE BIG FACTORIES ARE DESIGNING IT FOR THAT CODE ANYWAY, SO IT'S REALLY I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

I THINK THE BIGGEST HEARTBURN WE HEARD OUT THERE WAS THE ENERGY CODE CHANGES.

YEAH. WITH THE INSULATION AND THE THICKNESSES OF THE WALLS AND ALL, BUT IT SEEMS IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE IT DOESN'T SEEM WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYBODY REALLY FIGHT OR FLIGHT TEST YET.

WE HAD A CONTRACTOR THAT WAS DOWN TO GET HIS PERMIT FOR A NEW HOUSE, AND HE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ENERGY CODES, I THINK WAS THE ISSUE AND THE SIMPLIFIED VERSION.

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I THINK YOUR DEPARTMENT WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, ARE YOU TRYING TO USE THE PRESCRIPTIVE METHOD ROUTE FOR ENERGY CODE COMPLIANCE.

ARE YOU TRYING TO USE THE PERFORMANCE ROOT? PERFORMANCE ROOT LETS YOU USE A SOFTWARE LIKE MANUAL J.

YOU PLUG IN ALL THE DETAILS.

AND IT'S GOING TO SAY YOU'RE EITHER COMPLIANT OR YOU'RE NOT.

YOU PROVIDE THE INSPECTION AGENCY.

SAYING YOU'RE COMPLIANT.

WHAT THAT DOES IS ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON YOUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND POSSIBLY SOME ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS THAT HAVE TO CHECK BECAUSE YOU'VE YOU'VE RUN YOUR COMPLIANCE REPORT, YOU KNOW, YOU MEET THE YOU MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

AND I THINK HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE ENERGY CODE AT ALL.

SO HE MAYBE WENT ONLINE, WENT DIGGING AROUND, FOUND A PRESCRIPTIVE WORKSHEET, FILLED OUT A FEW SPOTS ON IT, NOT ALL OF IT, SUBMITTED IT.

FIRST DATE COME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WANT TO DO PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION.

YOU DIDN'T FILL EVERYTHING OUT.

HERE'S A GUIDANCE DOCUMENT TO HELP YOU OUT.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO THIS ROUTE OR YOU COULD DO THIS.

AND THEN THE HOMEOWNER CAME BACK AND SAID, MY BUILDER GAVE UP AND QUIT ON ME.

HE SAID, TO HECK WITH IT.

HE'S BUILDING ON CHESTER COUNTY.

SO I THINK IT WAS A MATTER OF JUST A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, MAYBE OF THE CODES.

AND THIS IS A PERSON WHO IS BOTH AN ELECTRICIAN, A PLUMBER AND A BUILDER.

SO I THINK, AREN'T THEY ALL? SO MAYBE BUILDING'S NOT HIS PRIMARY PRIMARY INCOME SOURCE THAT MAYBE IS ELECTRIC AND PLUMBING AND DOES SOME BUILDING ALONG THE WAY. I DON'T KNOW, BUT SO THAT HAPPENED AND IT WAS OVER THE ENERGY CODE.

I'VE SEEN A LOT MORE SPRAY FOAM THAN I EVER THOUGHT I'D SEE IN MY LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS ENERGY TO SPRAY PAINTING TYPE OF THING.

I THINK THAT'S THE SOLUTION FOR EVERYTHING NOW, ISN'T IT? WHEN IN DOUBT, SPRAY FOAM.

SPRAY FOAM? YEAH.

NEVER FACE A WALL AGAIN.

I REMEMBER YEARS AGO, THOUGH, WHEN TOM DRAPER WAS BUILDING A BUILDING OVER TO QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.

THERE, ROSEBURG.

IN ORDER TO MEET THE ENERGY CODE, THEY HAD TO USE LIKE TWO INCHES OF CLOSED CELL AND THEN BATT INSULATION TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE CODE THAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME.

HE MIGHT ADD, IS IT? YOU ONLY GET SO MANY OF OUR VALUE PER INCH OF SPRAY FOAM AND IT'S DIFFERENT OPEN AND CLOSED CELLS DIFFERENT.

SO YOU MAY HAVE TO BUILD UP, YOU KNOW, TEN 12IN.

AND HE WAS FUSSING BECAUSE THAT WAS A THAT WAS INSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY WERE DOING OFFICE APARTMENTS BECAUSE WHEN THEY TOOK HUNTING PARTIES THEY WANTED A PLACE FOR BUNKHOUSE TYPE THING, LITTLE KITCHEN.

AND HE THEY WERE FUSSING BECAUSE WE SPRAY FOAM THE WHOLE ENTIRE BUILDING.

NOW WE GOT TO INSULATE THE INSIDE.

AND IT WAS LIKE, YEAH, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE TO ME.

I WAS LIKE, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS.

AND THEN IT MADE IT HARDER FOR US TO GET GAS LINES THROUGH BECAUSE THEY SPRAY FOAM THE BUILDING BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE GOT DONE.

AND I'M LIKE, WELL, I GOT TO GET A GAS LINE HERE.

HE DIDN'T MEET THE ENERGY REQUIREMENTS WHEN HE SCRAPED IN THE BUILDING.

SO THE BUILDING ENVELOPE WAS DIDN'T HAVE AN R VALUE THAT MEANT ANYTHING.

SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN THEY DIDN'T EVEN TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

YEAH. IT WAS UNCONDITIONED SPACE.

DO YOU GET ANY R VALUE CREDIT FOR YOUR AIR RAP? IT'S LIKE THE FOILS.

THE FOILS GOT LIKE TWO OR SOMETHING.

YOU DON'T GET MUCH. YEAH, LIKE LIKE THERE'S CERTAIN TWO BY FOUR WALLS WHERE YOU CAN DO A CERTAIN TYPE OF OUTSIDE FOIL, WHICH IT'S 5 OR 6, MAYBE, BUT TO GET TO THAT R RATING YOU NEED FOR THAT TWO BY FOUR WALL, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE STEPS YOU COULD YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO A COMBINATION OF SPRAY FOAM INSULATION AND THAT AIR RAP.

YEAH. THE I'VE ONLY SEEN ONE GUY ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT WAS ON A HOUSE NOT FAR FROM US.

I THINK IT WAS ON WOODWARD A YEAR OR SO AGO, AND HE ENDED UP DOING THE WHOLE EXTERIOR IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FOAM ROLL INSULATION. REFLECTIVE TAPE.

BUT MOST EXTERIORS ARE TWO BY SIX WALLS ANYWAY.

NOW, NOWADAYS IT'S JUST EASIER WITH THE ENERGY CODE.

YEAH. TWO BY EIGHT FOR LONG.

YEAH I KNOW.

THE THE THE THE THE CEILING OF EVERYTHING.

THE YOU KNOW, THE CEILING.

THAT'S THE THE RIGHT TYPE OF BOXES, THE RIGHT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF THROUGH WALL STUFF IS REALLY.

THAT'S PRETTY PRETTY CRAZY.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE CAULK ALL THE BOXES AND ALL THAT STUFF NOW? YEAH. CAULKING THEM OR THE GASKETS.

SOME GUYS ARE USING THE ARLINGTON GASKETED BOXES.

ARLINGTON MAKES A VERSION.

THEY BASICALLY JUST HAVE A, LIKE, A HALF INCH FLANGE THAT THE SHEETROCK GOES UP AGAINST.

JUST LIKE WHEN THEY CAME OUT WITH THE LIGHT BOXES THAT HAD TO BE BEING SEALED.

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THEY MAKE DEVICE BOXES LIKE THAT THAT EVERYBODY IS PUTTING ON EXTERIOR WALLS.

OR THEY COULD DO JUST LIKE WHEN WE JUST WENT TO TODAY, A BATHROOM SHEETROCK DIDN'T CUT OUT ANYTHING, COVERED UP THE FANS, THE RECESSED LIGHTS, EVERYTHING. JUST COVERED IT ALL UP.

SAVED A LOT OF TIME.

YEAH, YEAH.

YEAH, HE GOT IN THERE.

LIKE, WHERE DO ALL OUR STUFF GO? HE GOT PAID TO HANG THE DRYWALL AND GET PAID.

CUTTING. CONDUIT, MAN.

SERVICE, MAN. YEAH.

HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ON THE EV WIRING? THERE'S A IN ALL THE OTHER, INCLUDING HERE.

MOST OF THE ELECTRICIANS HAVE JUST STARTED.

THE MOST COMMON IS THE SUBPANEL I SEE IN THE IN THE GARAGE.

PEOPLE JUST PUT A 60 AMP SUBPANEL IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE EVEN THE 40 AMP IS TOO SMALL FOR A LEVEL TWO CHARGER.

THEY'RE ALL 16 GAMES ANYWAY, SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S FIGURED OUT THAT THAT 40 ISN'T DOING ANYBODY ANY GOOD, SO THEY'RE ALREADY UPSELLING THEM.

WHAT ARE THEY DOING ON AN EXTERIOR IF THEY DON'T HAVE A GARAGE? YOU'RE STILL SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE THAT'S RIGHT AT THE PARKING SPOT.

IF YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY, THAT'S THE RULE.

SO THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GETTING AWAY WITH THAT NOT BEING REQUIRED IS IF YOU HAVE LIKE ON STREET PARKING AND YOU ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY.

BUT NOW WICOMICO WORCESTER, THEY ARE NOT ENFORCING ANY OF THAT.

SO AS FAR AS I KNOW, NOBODY'S IF THEY ARE DOING IT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, MAKING THEM DO IT.

I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THE END CONDUIT PART.

YOU DON'T WANT A RANGE IN CONDUIT OR DRAWER OR HVAC AND CONDUIT.

AND WHY THAT A CONDUIT BECOMES A RACEWAY FOR FLAME? YEAH. WHY DO I WANT TO HAVE A RACEWAY BETWEEN A GARAGE AND AN INTERIOR OF A HOUSE? IT REALLY. IT REALLY IS.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE FLAMMABLE.

STUFF TENDS TO BE IN THE GARAGE.

SORRY. I WOULD THINK IF THEY WANTED IT FOR PROTECTION, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO AN MSI CABLE OR SOMETHING WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.

BUT NO, THAT DON'T WORK RIGHT.

BUT YOU CAN RUN THE SUB FEED ON REGULAR CABLE.

SO YOU RUN A SUB FEED.

DON'T HAVE TO BE IN CONDUIT UNLESS YOU ARE OUT THERE.

YEAH. PUT A SUB PANEL IN.

YEAH. YEAH.

WHAT IF WHAT IF THE YOUR MAIN PANEL'S RIGHT THERE IN THE GARAGE, AND YOU JUST WANT TO PUT THE RECEPTACLE UNDERNEATH OF IT.

YOU CAN DO THAT. YEAH.

IT'S FINE. IT'S IN YOUR PARKING AREA.

I'M THINKING. YEAH.

MARILYN. MARILYN SAID THAT 40 AMP MINIMUM CIRCUIT REQUIREMENTS.

SO NUMBER EIGHT, WIRING OVER A FOUR GAME BREAKER INTO RECEPTACLE, AND YOU'RE DONE.

IF THE PANELS IN THE GARAGE.

YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE EV CHARGERS WE'VE SEEN ARE ADJUSTABLE, SO YOU CAN CRANK THEM DOWN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL WORK ON THE 40 AMP.

BUT EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO DO 50 TO 60, THEY WON'T.

WELL, THE THING IS. IS THAT RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA PLUG YOUR NEW SCOOTER INTO THERE? NO, NO, NO. WE'RE GOING TO.

WE'RE GOING TO DO A 50 AMP, AND I'M GOING TO USE IT AS A WELDING RECEPTACLE ALSO.

OH, I KNOW WHERE THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM DOING THAT.

ONE OF THE NEAT THINGS THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN IN THE CODE FOR RESIDENTIAL ANYWAY, IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY RECOGNIZING 60 AMP RECEPTACLES FOR RESIDENTIAL NOW.

SO, I MEAN, 50 HAS BEEN THE.

THAT WAS IT. SO THE 23 CODE, THEY KNOW IT'S A 1560 R OR 1460 R RECEPTACLE, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING FOR THE CAR CHARGER.

CAR CHARGERS. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT HARDWIRE BECAUSE IF YOU HARDWIRE THEM IN YOUR GARAGE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM ON FIVE X.

IF YOU PUT A RECEPTACLE IN THEY GOT TO BE ON GFI.

AND THEY DON'T PLAY WELL WITH GFI.

THEY TRIP. THEY IT'S TERRIBLE.

OUTSIDE YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

IT'S GFI, BUT OUTSIDE 60 AMP IS OVER 50, SO YOU DON'T NEED GFI.

SO IF YOU'RE DOING ONE WENT OUTSIDE, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO DO A 60 CIRCUIT OUTSIDE.

HARDWIRED OUTSIDE.

60. IF YOU DO IT IN A GARAGE, HARDWIRED SO YOU DON'T PUT IT ON A GROUND FAULT, THAT'S THE NUISANCE TRIP THAT WE ALL SEE MORE THAN ANYTHING.

MORE THAN WELLS, MORE THAN SEPTICS, MORE THAN RANGES.

IT'S THE CAR CHARGER.

THAT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE.

WE HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT IS THE NUISANCE TRIPPING.

YOU KNOW OUR FAULTS.

SO. AND THAT'S.

YEAH. SO THE GOOD THING WITH UL, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE MANDATED THAT APPLIANCE MANUFACTURERS TEST THEIR EQUIPMENT AGAINST GFI AND OUR FAULT, WHICH THEY HAVE NOT REQUIRED THEM TO DO UP UNTIL JUST RECENTLY.

WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE GE ELECTRIC RANGES.

YUP. BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS DELAWARE WAS FOLLOWING THAT AND THE BUILDERS IN DELAWARE WERE DOING IT HERE, AND WE WERE PLUGGING THEM IN AND THEY WOULD COME ON FOR A WHILE. AND THEN AND I'M LIKE THIS, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING CALLBACKS BECAUSE MY OVEN IS TRIPPING.

MY THE TOPS WOULDN'T DO IT, THE OVEN WOULD TRIP IT, BUT IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE ELECTRONIC BOARD AND THAT'S WHEN IT WAS CAUSING THE ISSUE.

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YEAH. SHANNON'S. SHANNON'S WAS THAT WAY WHEN WE INSTALLED IT.

IT WAS A PAIN IN THE TAIL TILL WE FIGURED IT OUT.

YEAH IT'S A GE GE GE HAD A WHOLE RUN OF RANGES WHERE THEY WERE TELLING PEOPLE TO BURN, RUN THE BURNERS ON REGULAR BREAKERS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO BURN OFF OILS.

AND THAT WAS ON THE INTERNET.

YEAH. TO DO THAT.

YEAH. THE WHOLE IT WAS THE WHOLE THING.

WELL, WELL THE ELECTRICIAN WOULDN'T THE ELECTRICIAN.

WE FINALLY GOT THE ELECTRICIAN TO TAKE THE GROUND OFF OUR BREAKER OUT AND JUST PUT A STANDARD BREAKER.

AND AFTER IT SAT THERE AND RAN FOR 40 MINUTES, HE'S LIKE, OH, I GUESS THAT IS A PROBLEM.

AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT EVEN CODE IN CAROLINE COUNTY.

SO WHY DID YOU PUT THAT IN HERE? RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S A 23 CARAT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE IT IS.

IT'S GOTTA BE ON IT. SO IT'S.

YEAH, BUT GOOD.

THANKFULLY YOU WILL IS REQUIRING THE MANUFACTURERS TO TO GET LISTED.

THEY HAVE TO TEST IT AGAINST THE EQUIPMENT.

YEAH. SO HOPEFULLY ALL THAT STUFF STARTS TO GO AWAY.

THEY HAVEN'T EVEN GIVE THEM A LISTING UNLESS THEY TEST IT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

IT WAS I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THAT FIRST ONE YOU HAD HAPPENED, MAN, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO FIND AN ANSWER FOR IT.

YEAH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THOSE, I'VE BEEN TOLD THOSE PELOTON BIKES, IT SAYS IN THEIR LITERATURE, DON'T, DON'T PUT THEM ON A GFI CIRCUIT.

OH, YEAH. BUT THEN PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEM IN THEIR GARAGES.

THEY'RE PUTTING THEM IN THEIR BASEMENTS OR GFI PROTECTION.

OR IF YOU READ THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR MOST OF THIS STUFF, WHICH I KNOW WE ALL DO THEY'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND TO NOT PUT IT ON GFI PROTECTION.

AND RIGHT FROM UL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE PART OF THE LISTING, BUT NO MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDATIONS OVERRIDE ANY OTHER CODES.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WITH THE THE WAFER LINES THAT THEY RECOMMEND.

YOU DON'T MOUNT THE DRIVER BOX.

THAT MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE THE EXPERIENCE IS YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE BOX.

SO. SO AS A STATE CONSIDERING JUMPING TO 2023 AND SKIPPING 2020 OR THERE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO MOVE WITH 2020.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO SKIP TO 2023, I THINK IS REALLY WHAT HONESTLY, THEY'RE WAITING TILL 26 WHEN IT GETS REVISED AND TAKES ALL THE KINKS OUT AND GET BACK TO THE 99 AND ALL THAT.

BUT I WAS ACTUALLY AMAZED THAT THAT'S BECAUSE I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY, OH YEAH, STATES ON THIS, THE STATES ON THAT.

AND I CONFIRM, NO, WE'RE NOT.

THERE'S STUFF ON THE INTERNET SAYING THEY ARE, AND IT NOPE.

BECAUSE YOU CAN BELIEVE EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET.

NO. I WENT LOOKING ONE DAY BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS, LIKE THE STATE DONE ANYTHING YET, AND I'M LIKE, WELL, HERE IT SAYS YES, HERE IT SAYS NO.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO THERE'S STILL A FEW THINGS UP IN THERE, LIKE A RECIPROCITY AGREEMENT WITH DELAWARE.

THAT'S WHAT MADELINE'S HAVING A PROBLEM WITH.

YEAH. BECAUSE THERE IS NONE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. OKAY, WELL, I'LL WORK ON THE COMMENTS.

WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AND HOW WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH CONTRACTOR CHANGES, SEPARATION OF PERMITS AND THE MARSTON ISSUE.

PUT TOGETHER A PROCESS FOR THAT.

AND THEN YOU'LL CHECK BACK WITH STUART.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING.

NO MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOTION TO ADJOURN I HAVE A MOTION SECOND I HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.