Nov 13, 2024 Planning Commission

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MIC] NOVEMBER 13TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

[Opening]

VICE CHAIR HANNAH CAWLEY IS WITH US.

COMMISSIONER AND BOARD MEMBER TRAVIS BREEDING.

KEITH BILBROUGH BOARD MEMBER AND ROGER MCKNIGHT.

WE ALSO HAVE STAFF MEMBERS HERE CATHERINE MCCULLEY, MATT KACZYNSKI, CRYSTAL DADDS, AND LESLIE GRUNDEN.

AND OUR ATTORNEY WILL BE HERE WHEN WE GET HIM FROM THE COURTHOUSE.

SO THE MEETING WAS ADVERTISED AS BEING AT THE COURTHOUSE SO.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE SOME THINGS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE TRIBBETT PROPERTY FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

[Tribbett Properties LLC Final Site Plan]

THIS IS AN EXISTING MINING OPERATION THAT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, MATT'S GOING TO FILL US IN.

AND I BELIEVE THIS IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, EVERY SO OFTEN, HE HAS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO GET HIS APPROVAL AGAIN.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

SO, MATT, DO YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE YOUR REPORT ON THIS AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE OTHER PEOPLE? SURE, SURE. I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THE APPLICANT, MR. TRIBBETT ON BEHALF OF TRIBBETT PROPERTY LLC, HE'S REQUESTED HIS MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

THIS IS A SO THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT HE HAS COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD, THE ZONING APPEALS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF MIC].

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SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE HAS COME BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS BECAUSE PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEARS, BASICALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SO THE CURRENT OPERATION IN ITSELF, THAT EXPANSION BECAME EFFECTIVE IN 2010.

SO IN 2014 . THEY UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THAT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS.

SO THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAD IN ALL THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS WERE KIND OF SPELLED OUT SO AS LONG AS HE DOESN'T PROPOSE ANY EXPANSIONS BEYOND THIS 24.9 ACRES NOW, THEN HE WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME EXACT OPERATION SINCE SINCE 2010.

SO TYPICALLY, LIKE THE . IN 2017, WE PASSED REGS THAT YOU HAD TO ALSO COMPLY WITH THE SITE PLAN SECTION.

SO THAT'S WHERE HE HAS TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD.

AND THAT'S WHY HE CAME BACK BEFORE.

SO WITH THAT I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO MR. TRIBBETT AND HE CAN PRESENT HIS CASE AND THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ALL RIGHT. MR. TRIBBETT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US.

WELL, YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE ACCOMMODATING THE COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL AND VERY INFORMATIVE ABOUT ANYTHING I NEED TO KNOW AND ANYTHING I NEED TO HAVE REQUIRED OF ME.

THEY'VE INFORMED ME OF IT, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW, I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW ACCOMMODATING THEY ARE, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THIS STAFF.

WELL, I'M SURE THEY APPRECIATE HEARING THAT BECAUSE JUST THEY GET HOLLERED AT ENOUGH.

SO SOMETIMES DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES ENTER INTO THINGS.

AND HOW PEOPLE LOOK AT THINGS SOMETIMES ISN'T ALWAYS THE BEST WAY SOMETIMES.

NOW, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES.

I MEAN, NOTHING'S CHANGING FROM WHAT IT WAS.

YOU'RE JUST RENEWING YOUR PERMIT.

SEVERAL YEARS OF WORK THERE TO DO TO FILL SOME OF THE COMMITTEE, AND I PROVIDE MATERIAL FOR MOST OF THE LOCAL CONTRACTORS.

EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, SO I'M NOT A LARGE OPERATION BY NO MEANS.

IT'S A FAMILY, STRICTLY FAMILY OPERATION, AND WE TRY TO DO AS GOOD A JOB AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

MATT, YOU SAID HE THERE.

HE'S DONE HAVING TO COME HERE, BUT HE'S GOT A FIVE YEAR PERMIT.

HE'S STILL GOT TO GO TO STATE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

SO YEAH. SO THE PERMIT IS VALID FOR FIVE YEARS.

MIC]

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MATT ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO FOR THIS FINAL SITE PLAN, THERE'S THERE'S WE HAVE THESE EIGHT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

AND MATT'S GOING TO HELP US GO THROUGH THEM.

WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM EACH TIME.

SO HE THEY'RE UP THERE, ACTUALLY, THEY'RE LISTED UP HERE ON THE SCREEN.

THERE'S THE EIGHT THINGS. AND MATT ALWAYS DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF OUTLINING.

HE REVIEWS ALL EIGHT OF THEM AND OUTLINES THEM FOR US.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM, WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THEM AND AT LEAST ADDRESS THEM.

SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 175 122, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN SECTION THE PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR MAJOR SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS, THE DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO PREPARE THIS REPORT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THIS AND ADDRESS THESE FOLLOWING ITEMS. SO WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

AS STAFF HAS RECOGNIZED IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT OR YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOMETHING THAT STAFF BELIEVES IS CORRECT.

ZONING IS A BIG PART OF EVERYTHING WE DO.

IT'S THE VERY FIRST THING THAT WE LOOK AT IN TERMS OF APPROVAL PROCESS.

APPROVAL FOR DISCUSSION, ETC.

SO IT'S WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND STAFF USE DOES COMPLY WITH THE COMP PLAN.

THE SECOND ITEM IS THE CHAPTER 175 1.3 COMPLIANCE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO THAT SECTION CODE OUTLINES THE MINIMUM INFORMATION THAT'S NECESSARY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION.

SO ALL THE REQUIRED INFORMATION THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE PROPOSED USE.

STAFF BELIEVES THAT THAT SITE PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED DOES PROVIDE THE REQUIRED INFORMATION FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ACCESS AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.

SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED, WHICH HAS BEEN AGAIN THE SAME SINCE AT LEAST 2010.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS USE WILL HAVE ANY IMPACT ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

CURRENT OPERATIONS ACCESS ALL 3/28 ON STATE ROAD.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN.

WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS OVER THE YEARS.

STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANY COMMENTS TO US REGARDING THIS OPERATION.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE NO TRUCK OR TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON THIS CURRENT OPERATION.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR ARE THE EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION OR COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS.

IT'S THE STAFF'S OPINION THAT THIS USE WILL HAVE NO IMPACT.

NEIGHBORS WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO USE THEIR PROPERTY.

PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT AS ALWAYS.

AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. SO THERE WILL BE NO UNDUE HARDSHIP FROM THIS PROPOSED USE.

STAFF OR ANY MEMBERS OF THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING THE PROPOSAL.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY IMPACTS TO ANY COMMUNITY FACILITIES IN THE AREA.

ITEM NUMBER SIX ARE HISTORICAL RESOURCES.

SO THE SITE HAS NO KNOWN HISTORICAL RESOURCES IN LOCATION FACILITY.

SO NO IMPACTS THERE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN OPEN SPACE.

SO THIS USE DOESN'T HAVE ANY OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS NOR HAS ANY IMPACT ON ANY EXISTING OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY OF OUR ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

FINAL ITEM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ARE AVAILABLE UTILITIES.

SO THERE'S BEEN NO INDICATION OF ANY IMPACTS ON PUBLIC UTILITIES.

THEY MENTIONED BEFORE STATE HIGHWAY HAS NO IMPACTS.

ON PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS.

THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PUT UP [INAUDIBLE] MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND STATE HIGHWAY HASN'T HAD ISSUES AND MIC]. SO LIKE I SAID, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS.

WE FIND THE PROPOSED USE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH AND WE WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION.

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ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR MATT? EVERYBODY'S HAD THE INFORMATION.

HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION, REVIEW THE SITE PLAN.

ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS? BASED ON THAT FROM MATT OR FOR MR. TRIBBETT OR ANYBODY? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAJOR SITE PLAN APPLICATION.

I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND MR. BILBROUGH. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

SAY NAY.

MOTION PASSED. MR. TRIBBETT. THANK YOU, SIR.

I GUESS WE DON'T GET TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT.

THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME.

MIC] THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

OKAY. GOOD NIGHT.

GOOD NIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT ON THE AGENDA.

[R&R Farms LLC Preliminary Site Plan]

MATT, DO YOU WANT TO START? ALL RIGHT, SO THIS THIS APPLICATION THIS IS A THIS IS A BRAND NEW FACILITY.

SO THEY MUST FULLY COMPLY WITH THE MINERAL EXTRACTION FACILITY REGULATIONS THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

SO THIS PROPOSED EXPANSION OR SORRY, THIS PROPOSED OPERATION IS ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] ACRES LOCATED ON THE THE CURRENT APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO REMOVE MULTIPLE SO PREVIOUSLY BEFORE WE GOT THIS SET OF SITE PLANS THE PROPOSED PLANS HAD TO, [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT KIND OF CHANGED.

THERE WAS A WE INFORMED SEAN CALLAHAN AND LANE ENGINEERING THE PROCESS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH GETTING THAT SO THE PLANS KIND OF CHANGED AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU NOW.

SO NOW THE OPERATION IS PROPOSING TO USE THE EXISTING DWELLING AS AN OFFICE FOR THE OPERATION.

AND THE AG BUILDING WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN AG BUILDING.

SO THAT'S A PART OF THAT, THAT OPERATION.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT IS PROPOSED IN THESE PLANS IS A IS A SETBACK MODIFICATION REQUEST.

SO [INAUDIBLE] OF THE REGULATIONS OF APPLICABLE LAWS REQUIRES A 200 FOOT SETBACK.

SO WITHIN THOSE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S A THERE'S AN OPTION FOR A MODIFICATION TO BE REVIEWED BY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR IN THIS CASE, PLANNING COMMISSION SINCE IT'S A MAJOR MINERAL EXTRACTION FACILITY.

SO PLANNING COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THAT SETBACK MODIFICATION AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING APPEALS AS PART OF THAT SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION.

SO STAFF WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW THAT PROPOSED FACILITY AND MAKE ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THEIR SETBACK MODIFICATION. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK OF, COMMON CONCERN USUALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS IS SCREENING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF BROUGHT UP IN MY COMMENTS.

I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH LIKE I SAID, THEY THEY HAD RECEIVED SOME REVIEW COMMENTS AND MADE SOME PRETTY BIG ADJUSTMENTS.

SO WHAT'S LEFT HERE ARE KIND OF REALLY THEY'RE MUCH FURTHER ALONG THAN THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW PROCESS, AS ONE WOULD IMAGINE IT COULD BE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY STILL HAVE TO DO A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION OF ZONING APPEALS.

SEPARATE PERMIT APPLICATIONS NEED TO BE FILED WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

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THE USE OF THE HOUSE IS A, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS AN OFFICE.

SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED.

AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS THAT ARE LOCATED ON ADJACENT PARCEL 86 AND 116.

THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE ADEQUATELY SCREENED FROM THE FACILITY.

SO THESE ARE FACILITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A 200 FOOT SETBACK.

I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS TO ALSO HAVE THAT SCREENING AND THAT'S PART OF THE REGULATIONS.

SO THE METHODS OF SCREENING FOR THESE PROPERTIES [INAUDIBLE].

AND THAT LAST ITEM WE KIND OF BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON WAS THE 200 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE FOUR THINGS THAT THAT WE SEE RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT WE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO, TO THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

OBVIOUSLY, IF THE BOARD GRANTS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THOUGH, THEY'LL GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH APPROVAL AND THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT SETBACK MODIFICATION BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I CAN I CAN ANSWER THOSE NOW.

IF NOT, WE CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR.

I'M SURE SEAN CALLAHAN IS PROBABLY GOING [INAUDIBLE].

SO YOU GOT SCREENING AND 200 FOOT SETBACK? YEAH. THE CURRENT, SO THE CURRENT SET OF PLANS, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE A SCREENING PLAN PER SE.

THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THEY SHOW PROPOSED SCREENING.

OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL HAVE TO BE SOME SOME LANDSCAPE PLANS [INAUDIBLE].

BUT FROM A PRELIMINARY STANDPOINT I JUST THINK THAT THOSE TWO PARTICULAR PARCELS ARE JUST NOT DON'T APPEAR TO BE ADEQUATELY SCREENED AT ALL.

FOR WE DON'T HAVE A SET STANDARD FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE PLANTED, IT JUST HAS TO BE SCREENED.

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE WHEN WE DO THESE OPERATIONS, THEY TYPICALLY PROPOSE MOST OPERATIONS BERMS AND PLANTINGS ON TOP OF BERMS IS TYPICAL.

BUT CURRENTLY THE PLAN SET JUST HAS PROPOSED SCREENING BUT NO PLANS.

THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE PLAN SO NOT SURE WHAT THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS IS ON THAT.

WELL, THEY SAY SOMETHING IN THEIR LETTER ABOUT SOME EVERGREENS OR SOMETHING.

BUT FROM WHAT I CAN TELL IS ONLY ON THE MAIN HIGHWAY.

GOOD EVENING BOARD, SEAN CALLAHAN WITH LANE ENGINEERING.

CHERYL TOMEY WITH LANE ENGINEERING IS HERE WITH ME.

CHERYL DID MOST OF THE DRAFTING ON THE PLAN.

ROLLING CAR BOMB CEO AND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS HERE AND STEVE [INAUDIBLE] ATTORNEY, IS HERE.

YOU KNOW, MATT HAS THESE COMP PLAN OR THESE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE FOR THE SITE PLAN.

I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THOSE FORMALLY AT FINAL SITE PLAN.

I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, MINING IS PERMITTED IN CAROLINE COUNTY BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

AND THERE ARE COMPREHENSIVE YOU HAVE A WHOLE CHAPTER IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DEALS WITH MINERAL RESOURCES.

AND ONE OF THE MAIN COMPONENTS OR THE PROTECTIVE MEASURES UNDER STATE LAW IS THAT MINING IS IS PREEMPTED.

IT PREEMPTS OTHER USES.

SO STATE LAW RECOGNIZES THAT MINING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE LOCAL AND STATE ECONOMY.

AND THERE'S THERE'S LANGUAGE IN YOUR COMP PLAN ABOUT THAT AND LANGUAGE IN STATE STATE LAW ABOUT THAT.

BUT IF WE IF WE CAN OPEN THE [INAUDIBLE] SITE PLANS FOR A SECOND, I'D JUST LIKE TO GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS AND THEN WE CAN TALK TO THE TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE SETBACK MATTER AND THE SCREENING MATTER.

WHICH PAGE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO? I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH PAGE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

OKAY, SO THE FIRST PAGE IS IS A SIGNATURE PAGE FOR THE OWNER.

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SO THIS SET OF PLANS IS THE SET OF PLANS THAT WILL BECOME CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND REVIEW DOCUMENTS FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

BUT THE COVER SHEET IS PRETTY MUCH JUST A PLACE FOR THE OWNER AND THE SOIL CONSERVATION TO SIGN.

BUT IT HAS AN INDEX OF SHEETS AND GIVES YOU SOME OTHER INFORMATION.

SHEET TWO IS PRETTY MUCH A ZONING FACT SHEET.

IT GIVES YOU THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY.

IT IDENTIFIES SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

IT GIVES YOU EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

IT GIVES YOU PARKING STANDARDS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

AND THERE'S SOME TYPICAL NOTES FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SHEET THREE WHICH IS SHEET G 103 DOWN IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER THERE.

THAT IS THE POINT BY POINT RESPONSE TO THE MINERAL EXTRACTION COMPONENTS IN THE SITE PLAN, I THINK IT WAS IN 2017 OR 2018 [INAUDIBLE] ORDINANCE WAS REWRITTEN TO ADD SOME SPECIFIC COMPONENTS REQUIRED TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO THIS IS THE POINT BY POINT RESPONSE TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'LL PROBABLY END UP GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE WITH THE BOARD, AND MAYBE YOU ALL AT SOME POINT IF NEED BE.

BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS A POINT BY POINT RESPONSE.

JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION WE ESTIMATE THE LIFE OF THE MINE TO BE ABOUT 25 YEARS BASED ON 100 TRUCKS A DAY.

THE NEXT SHEET IS JUST A LEGEND SHEET.

IT IDENTIFIES THE DIFFERENT SYMBOLOGY AND THE PLAN SET.

THE NEXT SHEET IS A TRAFFIC ROUTING AND HAUL ROUTING EXHIBIT.

IT SHOWS THE TYPICAL DIRECTIONS THAT TRUCKS WOULD USE LEAVING THE SITE TO TAKE MATERIAL TO MARKET. THE NEXT SHEET IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN.

THIS IS A SURVEY AND TOPOGRAPHY SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY, IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON ALL SIDES.

THE PROPERTY FRONTS ON MARYLAND HIGHWAY 313.

THE EXISTING FARMSTEAD IS SORT OF CENTRALLY LOCATED UP ON THE HILL.

THERE ARE SEVERAL DRAINAGE DITCHES THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

AND THEN AND THEN YOU SEE THE OWNERS HOUSES AND NAMES OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THE PERIMETER.

NEXT SHEET IS THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS PLAN WHICH SHOWS A REALLY IT'S A FINAL GRADING PLAN, BUT IT SHOWS YOU THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT SERVES THE FARM BUILDINGS NOW.

IT WILL BE IMPROVED TO BE THE HAUL ROAD IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.

WE HAVE CONTACTED THE STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL REVIEW LETTERS FROM THEM.

THERE ARE NOT MANY ITEMS LEFT TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY PERMIT TO BE ISSUED, WE EXPECT THAT TO BE ISSUED FAIRLY QUICKLY.

YOU SEE THE SEWAGE RESERVE AREAS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, WE DO EXPECT THAT IF THE IF THE HOUSE IN THE BACK, THAT IS TO BE AN OFFICE EVER NEEDS A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM, IT CAN PUMP OUT TO THE FDA THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY.

AND THERE IS A BUILDING IN THE AG STRUCTURE, EXCUSE ME, A BATHROOM IN THE AG STRUCTURE.

AND WE CAN USE THE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY FOR THAT.

BUT THE PLANT SITE WHERE THE WASHING OF THE PLANT MATERIAL OCCURS IS BACKED BY THE HOUSE.

I THINK IT'S APPROXIMATELY 800FT FROM THE HIGHWAY BACK TO THE WASH PLANT, AND YOU SEE THE TIGHT CONTOURS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.

THOSE ARE THE SIDE SLOPES THAT LEAD DOWN INTO THE POND.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY THERE'LL BE A PERIMETER DIKE AROUND THE WASH PLANT AREA, WHICH IS ABOUT NINE ACRES. AND ALL THE MATERIAL, ALL OF THE WATER THAT FROM THE WASHING WOULD FEED BACK INTO THE POND AND THE POND WOULD GROW OVER TIME TO, YOU KNOW, JUST BE A LARGE POND IN THE END AND MINE RIGHT THROUGH THE DITCHES ON THE PROPERTY, AND MATERIAL WOULD BE WASHED, STOCKPILED AND HAULED OUT IN TRUCKS.

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IT SHOWS SOME DETAILS FOR PARKING AND MANEUVERING AND WASHING.

THIS THE SCALES AT THIS SITE WILL BE AUTOMATED.

THERE'S NO INTENT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SITTING IN A SCALE HOUSE WEIGHING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, OR ISSUING TICKETS THAT'LL ALL BE AUTOMATED IN THE ISLAND THERE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE AG STRUCTURE.

ROLAND HAS TWO OTHER MINES, ANOTHER LARGE ONE IN PINELLAS COUNTY, IT'S ABOUT 100 ACRES NOW.

AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW BIG THE ONE IN KENT COUNTY IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN DOING MINING PROJECTS FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS, AND HE UNDERSTANDS HOW THESE THINGS WORK. AND YOU KNOW, KEEPING AUTOMATED EQUIPMENT AND KEEPING UP WITH THE TIMES IS THE WAY TO GO.

UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE OF THE PLAN ON THIS SHEET, YOU SEE THE STATE HIGHWAY ENTRANCE.

I THINK IT'S 150FT OF ASPHALT WE HAVE COMING IN FROM THE HIGHWAY BEFORE IT TURNS TO A GRAVEL ACCESS ROAD. WHAT'S THE NEXT SHEET? THE NEXT SHEETS ARE VARIOUS FINE GRADING PLANS AND SHOWS YOU CONTOURS.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SETBACK MATTER FOR A MINUTE.

MIC] GO BACK TO SHEET C 101, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I THINK IS PROBABLY THE FOURTH OR FIFTH SHEET THAT SHOWS YOU HOW DEEP THE MINE IS, THOSE SECTIONS THERE, IT'S ABOUT 75FT DEEP [INAUDIBLE].

WHICH WHICH DID YOU WANT? C 101 C 101.

YEAH C 101.

THAT'S THE OVERALL PLAN.

IT'S ONE MORE BACK BEHIND THE SHEET, I THINK.

WELL, MY PICTURE HAS IT, IT'S JUST TAKING A WHILE.

YEAH, IT TAKES A WHILE.

MIC] SO UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER YOU CAN JUST SEE IT SAYS AREA A, B AND C UP HERE IN THIS CORNER.

SO AREA A IS 1.4 ACRES.

AREA B IS 4.5 ACRES.

AND AREA C IS 5.5 ACRES.

AND AREA A IS OUT FRONT ALONG THE HIGHWAY.

AND HERE HERE'S THE AREA A LABEL AREA B, AS LONG AS THAT PROPERTY LINE HERE WITH THIS NEIGHBOR.

AND AREA C IS OVER AGAINST THIS NEIGHBOR.

SO THOSE AREAS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXCAVATE ARE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT SETBACK FROM PROPERTY LINES, BUT THEY ADD UP TO ABOUT TEN ACRES, WHICH IS 10% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT AREA, IT'S 110 ACRE PROJECT AREA.

SO IF YOU READ THE MARYLAND LAW AND YOU THINK ABOUT MINING AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE MARKET AND YOU THINK ABOUT USING THESE FINITE MINERAL RESOURCES EFFICIENTLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO STRAND MATERIAL FOREVER AND EVER.

IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT.

SO THE COMMISSIONERS, WHEN THEY WROTE THIS CODE, PUT A PROVISION IN THERE TO ALLOW AN APPLICANT TO REQUEST A RELIEF TO BE ALLOWED TO MINE INTO THE 200 FOOT SETBACK FOR CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND WE WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU ALL THAT ON THIS PROPERTY IT'S OKAY TO SAY YES TO BEING ALLOWED TO MINE INTO THE

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AREA A AND C ARE SOME OF THEM ARE ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAYS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NO ADVERSE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORS, ETC.. AREA B AND THEN PART OF C ARE ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORS.

MR. BAUM HAS MET WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORS, AND THEY ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.

ROW ONE, THERE IS ONE NEIGHBOR WHOM YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO TO TALK TO YET.

I THINK THERE WERE LIKE 3 OR 4 TIMES.

WHICH ONE IS THAT? HE'S ON, IT'D BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HEDGE ROW.

SO HE WOULD BE MIC].

YEAH.

SO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS SIMPLY SCREENING MEASURES FROM THE HIGHWAY. IF YOU LOOK AT SHEET L 101, WHICH IS THE SECOND TO LAST SHEET OF THE SET, WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING MEASURES FROM THE HIGHWAY.

WE'RE PROPOSING A 32 FOOT PLANTING SCREEN OF LOBLOLLY PINE AND WHITE PINE. AND THOSE TREES IN ABOUT TEN YEARS WOULD BE ABOUT TEN FEET TALL, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN ONLY SEEDLINGS. THIS MINE, THIS THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF OVERBURDEN OR UNMARKETABLE MATERIAL ABOVE THE WATER TABLE.

YOU SEE OTHER MINES, THEY BUILD BERMS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF UNMARKETABLE MATERIAL THAT THEY NEED TO SORT OF GET OUT OF THE WAY.

AND A LOT OF IT IS NOT WELL, NONE OF IT IS IS IS SAND.

IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A SAND PRODUCT IN THOSE BERMS THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON OTHER MINING PROJECTS.

BUT THIS THIS FARM DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF OVERBURDEN.

YOU GO YOU GO IMMEDIATELY TO PRODUCT JUST BELOW THE THE TOPSOIL.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A, IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING NOT TO TAKE GOOD MARKETABLE MATERIAL AND BUILD A BERM.

WHEREAS ON OTHER PROJECTS YOU HAVE A LOT OF NON MARKETABLE MATERIAL.

I THINK THAT'S OUR SUMMARY FOR SITE PLAN MATTERS.

WE DO HAVE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN I COME BACK AFTER BOARD OF APPEALS, WE'LL WILL HAVE SOME OF THOSE APPROVALS, OR WE'LL BE A LOT CLOSER TO HAVING THOSE APPROVALS IN HAND.

AND I THINK THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.

OKAY. SO WHAT IS YOUR REASONING FOR NOT HAVING LANDSCAPING SCREENING AROUND THE OTHER NEIGHBORS BESIDES THE HIGHWAY? ROMAN DID.

DID YOU ACTUALLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY WANTED ANY TREES THERE OR NOT, OR WHAT WAS THE [INAUDIBLE].

TALK TO ME. YEAH.

THE WHEN YOU TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, DID THEY WANT TREES BETWEEN THEM AND AND THE MINE OR NOT.

NO NOT REALLY BUT I TOLD THEM I WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE PUTTING TREES UP AND MISS PARKWOOD OVER THERE, SHE DIDN'T WANT NO TREES.

SHE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE BORDER AT ALL.

BUT I TOLD HER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE ZONING WANTED, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW?

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BUT EVER SINCE I BOUGHT THE PLACE, I TOLD THEM WHAT I BOUGHT THE PLACE AND THEY SAID, LOOK, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO THERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM CHICKEN HOUSES.

AND I SAID, NO PROBLEM.

I SAID, I'VE BEEN IN THAT BUSINESS LONG ENOUGH AND I'VE GOT ENOUGH THERE.

AND I KIND OF TOLD THEM WHAT I WAS PLANNING TO DO.

AND BEFORE I BOUGHT IT, THEY LET ME BOARD THE PROPERTY, AND I WAS RIGHT UP FRONT WITH THEM WHEN I WAS GOING TO DO.

AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT I, YOU KNOW, DOING.

AND THEN AFTER WE GOT GOING FOR A WHILE AND THEN I TOLD THEM I WAS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED, AND I TOLD THEM I'D BUILD A FARM AND ALL THAT.

BUT AFTER I GOT [INAUDIBLE] A LOT OF FARMS AROUND THIS COUNTY TO FIND GOOD SAND.

AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE SAND HERE IS SO GOOD THAT THEY USE IT FOR WELL SAND.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I'M GOING TO BE MAKING A LOT OF IS WELL SAND AND RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT TO GO CLEAR THE JERSEY OR WAY DOWN SOUTH TO GET WELL SAND AND THE PRODUCT PROBABLY THE BEST I'VE GOT.

YOU KNOW TO BE HONEST WITH YOU OUT OF ALL MY QUARRIES BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A FAST DIGGING PROCESS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A SLOW PROCESS THERE.

AND I'M JUST I'M IN THE MINING BUSINESS.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 18 YEARS, AND I HAVE TWO PLACES OUT WEST, TOO.

I DO, AND THEN IN HERE.

BUT WHEN THE END OF MY BUSINESS GOT SO MUCH MONEY WRAPPED UP, YOU JUST GOT TO STAY HIDDEN YOURSELF [INAUDIBLE] DOWN THE ROAD, OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF BUSINESS IN A SHORT TIME.

YOU KNOW CATHERINE, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO AN AIR PHOTO THAT WE COULD PUT ON THE SCREEN? THERE IS SORT OF A HEDGEROW BETWEEN ON ON THE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FARM THERE BETWEEN THE FARM AND DURHAM AND MCMULLEN AND TGI PROPERTIES.

THERE IS SOME VEGETATION IN THERE.

THERE'S NOT THERE'S NONE ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH GOLD RIDGE.

WELL [INAUDIBLE] 2018 2017 WHEN THESE NEW MINING RULES WENT IN? 2018. THE COMMISSIONER DRAFT THIS NEW ORDINANCE FOR MINES AND IT INCLUDES THE 200 FOOT SETBACK AND THE SCREENING.

AND THEY'RE THE TWO THINGS THAT YOU'VE COME IN AND ASKED FOR US TO JUST GO.

I DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ONE THING I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING OUR RULE IF WE JUST EVERYBODY COMES IN HERE AND SAYS, HEY, PLEASE, CAN I, CAN I DO THIS? AND FOR THE REASON FOR THIS, FOR THE SETBACK TO TO GO INSIDE THE SETBACK WAS BECAUSE THERE'S MATERIAL THERE THAT WE CAN DIG AND MAKE MONEY FROM.

THAT'S NOT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S.

WELL, THAT'S THE REASON TO GO INSIDE THE SETBACK.

YES, YES, BUT IT'S ALSO IN, IN, IN, IN THE REAL ARGUMENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE IT'S AN AG PRESERVATION MEASURE TO KEEP YOU FROM MOVING TO THE NEXT FARM, TO START TO DIG THAT OUT.

IF THE MARKET IS GOING TO TAKE AS MUCH MATERIAL AS IT NEEDS, WHY WOULD WE LEAVE 200FT AROUND THE EDGES WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE INVESTMENT IN THE WASH PLANT AND THE PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE FINALLY GETTING FIGURED OUT HOW TO BE EFFICIENT ON THE SITE AND PICK THEM UP AND MAKE THEM AND MAKE THEM MOVE TO THE NEXT FARM.

I THINK.

BUT THEN I REALLY WISH SOMEBODY WOULD GO TO THEIR BOARD AND GET THEM CHANGE THE RULE, INSTEAD OF EVERY TIME THEY KICK IT TO US AND WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA EITHER BE THE BAD GUY OR, THE GOOD GUY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I MEAN, THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55.

I DON'T LIKE DRIVING 65.

WHAT THE HELL.

WHAT YOU USUALLY CALL.

I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE SCENARIO OF WHAT WE DO.

WE'VE GOT AIR SETBACKS, THAT STARTED OUT TO BE THAT.

BUT NOW WHAT WE DO AS WE DREDGE THE MATERIAL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SILT, AND IT'S A SANDY MATERIAL AND IT'S

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BUT THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE AND WE BUILD OUR BACK ROUND THE OUTSIDE.

WE BUILD IT ALL BACK IN WITH WHAT WE DO AND [INAUDIBLE] AND WE I RECLAIM THAT AS I GO.

A LOT OF LOT OF THESE PITS THESE GUYS DON'T RECLAIM.

AND THEN THEY'RE SO FAR AHEAD OF YOURSELF AND THEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GET THE MATERIAL TO RECLAIM IT WITH.

I DON'T RUN AN OPERATION LIKE THAT.

YOU SEE WHAT I DO? IF YOU WANT TO SEE A QUARRY, YOU GO UP AND LOOK AT MINE.

YOU'LL SEE I'VE ALREADY GOT MY SLOPES ON MY BACK SIDE AS I'M GOING.

I RUN A NICE, CLEAN OPERATION.

IT'S JUST EASIER TO WORK.

I'M NOT INTO A SLOP HOLE.

I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

[INAUDIBLE] AND I WANT TO WORK SAFE, TOO.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE REGULATIONS WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, LIKE, MY OTHER CARS WILL PROBABLY BE ALL THE WAY AROUND, PROBABLY 300FT IN ALL THE WAY AROUND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.

THAT'S HOW MANY ACRES THAT, LIKE 19, 20 ACRES IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT SETBACK SEAN.

WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, IT TOTALS 11, SO.

WELL, THAT'S THAT'S AN ESTIMATED ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.

[INAUDIBLE] IS THIS ARE YOU DIGGING? ARE YOU GOING TO DREDGE? I'LL BE DREDGING.

YEAH, KNOW, ACTUALLY ACTUALLY, I WOULD BE PUTTING IN A DIFFERENT DREDGE.

[INAUDIBLE] I WENT TO COPENHAGEN AND GOT IT.

IT'S A JET DREDGE AND HANGS ON HANGS YOU CAN HANG IT ON [INAUDIBLE] OR HANG IT ON A BARGE OR WHATEVER.

IT RUNS OFF OF A POWER PACK, AND IT'S WATER CUTTING [INAUDIBLE].

PROBABLY ONE MORE DOWN IN FLORIDA SOMEWHERE, BUT IT'S A LOT CHEAPER TO RUN.

IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE, BUT IT'S A LOT CHEAPER TO RUN.

IT'S JUST A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY.

NOISY QUIET.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY, ACTUALLY.

ACTUALLY, YOU CAN HANG IT ON A LONG STICK ON A [INAUDIBLE] AND THE POWER PACKS UP ON THE BACK, AND IT JUST BE [INAUDIBLE].

IT'S CALLED A BELL.

I GOT IT OUT OF COPENHAGEN.

[INAUDIBLE]. AND MR. SEAN, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND STAFF WILL CORRECT ME WHEN I'M WRONG.

WHEN THEY MADE THAT ORDINANCE OR THAT RULE IN 2018 THAT, YES, THERE IS A YOU CAN THERE IS A PROVISION FOR A WAIVER.

BUT THAT WAS SO OUR EXISTING MINES LIKE MR. TRIBBETT WAS IN HERE, IT DIDN'T PUT A BURDEN ON THE EXISTING MINES.

IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS DRAFTED TO GO AFTER THE NEW MINES, TO JUST BE USED FOR THE NEW MINES.

SO YES, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THERE TO WAIVE IT, BUT IT WAS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS AFTER, IT WAS FOR THE EXISTING MINES.

SO DO THEY HAVE A BOARD? DO THEY HAVE A BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS? THEY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? YES. AND IT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL NEIGHBORS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE PROPERTY LINE WILL BE NOTIFIED.

SO IN WHICH WAY DOES THE THE PDA IS RELOCATED? WHICH WAY DOES THAT DRAIN? DOES IT DRAIN FROM BEHIND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY OR VICE VERSA? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM.

MR. BREEDING. IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT EXISTING CONDITIONS, PLAN FOR A SECOND ON I THINK IT'S SHEET.

LET'S LOOK AT THAT.

I THINK IT'S THE FOURTH SHEET.

LET'S SEE.

D 101, I BELIEVE.

YEAH, D 101.

PRETTY MUCH CHANGED FROM THE CENTER IN ALL DIRECTIONS, BUT I BELIEVE THE MAIN DRAIN IN THE BACK DRAINS EAST.

I BELIEVE IT DRAINS EAST.

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IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S ONE PROPOSED RELOCATION THAT ALSO DRAINS EAST.

EVERYTHING DRAINS YEAH, EAST.

OKAY, GOOD. EAST SIDE? YEAH. SO? SO THE PIPE THAT CROSSES UNDER THE STATE HIGHWAY DRAIN WOULD DRAIN THROUGH THE RELOCATED SWALE AROUND BEHIND THE DURHAM.

THERE'S A VERY SMALL DRAINAGE AREA THAT DOES TAKE IN SOME STATE HIGHWAY DRAINAGE.

OKAY. AND IT WOULD JUST BE REROUTED DOWN THAT DOWN THAT SIDE YARD.

IS THERE A RECORDATION REQUIREMENT FOR MOVING A PDA? I HAVE NOT HAD TO RE REDEFINE THE ACTUAL RIGHT OF WAYS, BUT SOIL CONSERVATION HAS REQUIRED ME TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE MAINTENANCE SETBACKS FROM THE PDAS.

OKAY. ACCESS WITH AN EXCAVATOR ON EITHER SIDE TO DIP IT OUT.

YES. A STANDARD. YEAH.

OKAY. SO THEY DON'T LET YOU, YOU KNOW, GET IT SO CLOSE THAT NOBODY CAN GET TO IT.

YOU GOT TO PROVIDE, I THINK, A 60 FOOT SETBACK THAT'S LEVEL AND FLAT FOR MAINTENANCE.

SO SCREENING THERE IN BETWEEN THE MINE AND THE DURHAM PROPERTY COULD AFFECT THAT POTENTIALLY COULD AFFECT THAT.

IT'S HARD TO DO.

YEAH.

HERE WE ARE HOLDING 200FT THERE AT DURHAM, BUT WE ALSO ARE PUTTING A DITCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THING.

SO IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR MINING OFF OF A PDA? IT'S NOT ANYTHING IN OUR CODE.

NO, WHAT I'VE SEEN NO.

IT ONLY CALLS OUT ACTUAL STREAMS. SO THE PDAS THAT ARE THERE ARE NOT CLASSIFIED IN THE [INAUDIBLE] MAPS.

[INAUDIBLE] SO THEY HAD THEY IN PREVIOUS ONE MINE THAT I CAN THINK OF IS BRIDGETOWN MINE, WHERE THEY RELOCATED THE DITCH.

AND I DON'T RECALL WHAT, WHAT SOIL CONSERVATION THEY DID HAVE TO HAVE I THINK EQUAL SIGN, BUT THERE WASN'T MUCH THEY HAD TO DO.

AND I AND IT WAS MORE OF A RELOCATION THAN THIS IS.

WE ARE SHOWING 100FT FROM THE PDA IN ALL DIRECTIONS, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

SO WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IT.

YOU KNOW, WE GOT 100FT FROM RELOCATED AND FROM THE FROM THE OTHER PDA.

THEY'RE EITHER GOING AWAY, THEY'RE BEING CONSUMED BY THE MINE, OR THEY ARE 100FT FROM.

THERE'S A COUPLE IN THE BACK THAT COULD DISCHARGE IF THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, FILLED IN OR BLOCKED OFF.

THERE IS THERE IS THEIR INTENT TO GET A DISCHARGE PERMIT FROM MD OR DON'T KNOW YET.

I DON'T KNOW THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] NO, THERE'LL BE A WATER APPROPRIATION PERMIT FOR WATER FOR WASHING BUT NO DISCHARGE PERMIT [INAUDIBLE].

WHICH MINING DIVISION KEEPS AN EYE ON ALL THAT STUFF? THEY COME OUT FOR YEARLY INSPECTIONS AND RANDOM INSPECTIONS.

SO MD HAS INSPECTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MINING PERMIT.

AND I'M SURE WITH THE WATER APPROPRIATION PROGRAM, WHICH WE HAVE SENT THE MINING PERMIT IN MD HAS IT, THEY'RE REVIEWING IT.

WATER APPROPRIATIONS HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET.

WE'RE STILL DOING OUR TESTING AND SO FORTH, BUT THAT'LL THAT'LL COME.

OKAY. I'M LOOKING ACROSS THE BACK, AND YOU HAVE THE 200 FOOT SETBACK LINE THAT YOU'RE NOT CLOSE CLOSE TO.

YEAH. WELL, WE'RE THAT'S A BIG PDA, THAT TAKES A LOT OF WATER FROM OFF SITE.

AND I DID NOT WANT THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER CO-MINGLING WITH OUR MINE.

SO WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S A BIGGER THAT'S A BIGGER DRAINAGE AREA.

AND A LOT OF WATER MOVING THROUGH THAT ONE LITTLE INTERIOR DITCHES ARE NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL.

SO WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM THE BIG ONE IN THE BACK.

I GOT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, BUT IF YOU GOT SOMETHING, GO AHEAD.

BUT IS IT. IT'S ALL FROM THE SITE PLAN.

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WELL, YEAH I GOT YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE AND I THINK, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING THERE TOO.

IN YOUR, IN YOUR.

LETTER THAT YOU HAVE AT THE BEGINNING, IT'S THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

YOU'RE 12 HOURS A DAY, FIVE AND A HALF DAYS A WEEK, SIX, FIVE AND A HALF DAYS A WEEK.

YEAH. WE SHOW 5:30 A.M.

TO 5:30 P.M.

OR DARK ON MY PLAN.

YEAH, AND THEN 6:30 A.M.

TO 12 NOON ON SATURDAY, WITH PROCESSING ONLY PERMITTED UNTIL 3.

NO TRUCKING AFTER 12 NOON [INAUDIBLE].

HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO MERIT? ON SATURDAYS IT'S 7 TO 3 AND TRUCKING FROM 8 TO 12, AND AND DURING THE WEEK, IT'S I THINK WE HAD 6 NOW TO 5.

YEAH. FOR TRUCKING.

AND 6 NO 5 IN THE MORNING TILL 9 AT NIGHT.

AND THEN WHERE IS THAT AT? WHERE IS THAT AT? [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.

YEAH. BECAUSE THE BRIDGETOWN PIT HAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT HOURS.

YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE APPROVED FOR THE WHATEVER THAT OTHER PIT IS.

YEAH. PAST BRIDGETOWN.

AT CHERRY LANE [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH. THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION.

I DON'T RECALL WHAT THEY ARE, BUT I MEAN, I MEAN, THE BRIDGETOWN PIT IS, IS THEY HAVE SUMMER HOURS, WINTER HOURS.

THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE ON SATURDAYS RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE IN THEIR WINTER HOURS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR THEM, THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING ON SATURDAY.

AND IT'S 7 TO 5 RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN AFTER WHEN THEY MAY 1ST THEY GO INTO THEIR SUMMER HOURS AND IT'S 6 TO 5 AND 7 TO 12 ON SATURDAY. [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS OPERATING FROM 6 TO 7 AND THAT'S ONLY FOR A MONTH.

I BELIEVE IT IS ALL IT IS, BUT AND THEN.

BUT TRUCKING IS FROM 7 IN THE MORNING TO 5 ON FIVE DAYS A WEEK.

BUT MY ONLY THING IS THESE HOURS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PITS AROUND THEM.

AND, I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUST.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALL THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION MAYBE THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. AT MY PIT, WE PRETTY MUCH DON'T LET ANYBODY [INAUDIBLE].

BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS SCHOOL BUSSES.

AND IF WE COULD HAVE, IF WE COULD HAVE LET TRUCKS GO BY 6, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF SIGHT.

BUT IT'S A IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

I MEAN, IF THAT LITTLE BIT OF OUR, THEIR TRUCKS WOULD BE GONE, YOU KNOW, THEY'D BEEN ON THEIR SECOND ROUND IF THEY COULD LEAVE AT 6 AND GONE.

BUT IT'S FROM IT SEEMS LIKE RIGHT AROUND BETWEEN 7 AND 7:30 THE BUSSES ARE RIGHT THERE, AND THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME AT ALL.

SO THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAD, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP EVERYBODY'S TIME.

YEAH. THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THEN IN AGAIN IN YOUR LETTER, 100 LOADS A DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK. AND AND YES, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT EVERY DAY.

YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT EVERY DAY.

BUT YOU HAVE BREAKDOWNS.

YOU HAVE YOU HAVE BREAKDOWNS.

YOU HAVE EVERYTHING. BUT BUT AGAIN YOU YOU WANT APPROVAL FOR 100.

THAT'S THAT'S 50 TRUCKS, TWO LOADS A DAY MAKING TWO ROUNDS A DAY.

SO THAT'S 100.

THAT'S 100 PASSES, WHICH IS 200 PASSES THROUGH BRIDGETOWN AND THROUGH SHREWSBURY THROUGH YOUR TRUCKING ROUTE.

ALONG WITH 100 LOADS A DAY THAT BRIDGETOWN PIT GETS.

NOW WE'RE AT 400 ROUNDS OR 400 TRUCKS GOING THROUGH.

AND THEN THE OTHER PIT, WHATEVER THEY'RE APPROVED AT, THAT'S 100 SOME TRUCKS.

LET ME HELP YOU. GOING THROUGH BRIDGETOWN AND RUTHSBURG.

LET ME HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, BUT IT AIN'T LIKE THAT.

IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRUCKS.

THE ONES THAT ARE GOING IN BRIDGETOWN ARE COMING IN THERE.

SOME DAYS I GOT 28 OF THEM TRUCKS IN MY [INAUDIBLE].

SOME DAYS I HAVE TEN.

SOME HAVE TWO. WE JUMPED.

WE KIND OF MOVE AROUND.

WE ALL KIND OF COMMUNICATE TOGETHER BECAUSE THE DEMAND ON THIS, SAM, RIGHT NOW IT'S GETTING SO HARD TO FIND SAM.

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THE THE THING IS, THESE PITS ARE DRYING UP.

THE THING IS, IT'S WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING AND ALLOWING TO HAPPEN COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN.

I MEAN, YOU GO OUT HERE AND STRIKE OIL.

I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT THE TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE THAT WE'RE PERMITTING SAYING YOU CAN GO THROUGH.

AND MY QUESTION IS, WHEN I FIRST FOUND OUT, I ASKED, HAS ANYBODY NOTIFIED QUEEN ANNE COUNTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DUMP ANOTHER 100 TRUCKS THROUGH RUTHSBURG? AND THEY ALREADY GOT THEIR SIGNS OUT THERE AND TAKE IT FROM SOMEBODY THAT'S RUN THROUGH THERE WITH A DUMP TRUCK AND LET THAT JET CREEK JUST RUN.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A 25 MILE AN HOUR ZONE THROUGH RUTHSBURG.

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I JUST HAD THE SAME TOWN LANDFILL FOR SIX YEARS.

I HAD A CONTACT AND WE WERE HAULING 75 TO 80 LOADS IN A DAY.

COULDN'T GET ENOUGH TO COVER THAT TRASH UP.

AND I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH JUNK DIRT.

I HAD TO GO CLEAR TO MASSEY [INAUDIBLE] TO COVER THAT TRACK.

AND I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT TRUCKS.

YEAH. AND IT'S IT'S BUT SOMEBODY OUT THERE I AIN'T GONNA BRING HER BACK ON AN EXTRA TRUCK.

OH, NO. NO. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME GROUP.

YEAH, IT'S THE SAME CONTRACTORS.

THE SAME BUNCH OF US WORKING TOGETHER, ACTUALLY, IT'S SO HARD TO FIND TRUCKS RIGHT NOW.

BUT THAT THAT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAD 100 LOADS AND HAS.

I MEAN, OUR OFFICE NEEDS TO LET QUEEN ANNE COUNTY.

THAT'S JUST MY THING. YOU NEED TO LET QUEEN ANNE COUNTY KNOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE CONSIDERING APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'LL PUT ANOTHER 100 TRUCKS [INAUDIBLE].

AND THEN WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR YOUR HIGHWAY, YOU HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC REPORT, BUT YOUR TRAFFIC REPORT LOOKS AT 313.

IT DON'T LOOK DOWN BALTIMORE CORNER DOWN DOWN TO OAKLAND ROAD WHERE THEY TURN ON 302.

YOU KNOW YOU KNOW WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT 301, THEY PUT THE CIRCLE IN.

SO YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH ON AND OFF IT WORKS.

I'M AFFILIATED WITH [INAUDIBLE].

SO WE'RE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PENNSYLVANIA, THEN WHERE WOULD THE TRUCK ROUTE BE FOR THIS.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO PENNSYLVANIA OUT OF THIS PIT.

WHERE IS THE TRUCK RIG? I GO I GO TO 19 AND [INAUDIBLE].

THEN I, I BRING ACTUALLY I BRING A LOT OF LINE BACK.

I SUPPLY PRETTY MUCH 90% OF THE FERTILIZER COMPANY WORKS AND ALL OF THEM.

I BRING A LOT OF LINE BACK OUT OF PARADISE AT ALL.

AND I BRING A LOT OF STONE BACK TOO, WHAT I DO.

WE'VE TRIED TO HAUL BACK AND FORTH.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD.

IT WAS ABOUT THE HOUR THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHERS AND THE TRUCKS.

YOU HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT IT WAS 2020.

AND I SAID SOMETHING TO MATT WHEN IN 2020 THAT NO THAT'S NOT, BUT IT WAS UPDATED 2024 THERE'S A THERE'S A LITTLE UPDATE AND AND FROM TO SIMPLIFY IT BASICALLY WHAT I READ STATE HIGHWAY SAID NO CHANGE.

OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID LOOK UP THOSE HOURS FOR THE MINING OPERATION AT CHERRY LANE AND OAKLAND ROAD AND THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APPROVED FOR WEEKDAYS BEGINNING AT 6 A.M.

TO PREPARE FOR THE DAY'S WORK, WITH ACTUAL LOADING OF THE TRUCKS NOT TO BEGIN UNTIL 7 A.M., WITH LOADING OF TRUCKS TO STOP AT 5 P.M.

AND ALL WORKERS OFF SITE BY 5:30.

SATURDAYS BEGINNING AT 6:30 A.M.

TO PREPARE FOR THE WORKDAY.

LOADING NOT TO BEGIN UNTIL 7 A.M..

WORKERS OFF SITE BY NOON.

SO BASICALLY WHAT WHAT CHENEY'S RUNNING OUT THERE OTHER THAN YOU DIDN'T MENTION WINTER OR SUMMER HOURS, BUT NO.

AND THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT HOURS FOR CHENEY'S OPERATION THERE AT BRIDGETOWN.

I CAN LOOK TO SEE WHAT THAT IS TOO.

BUT THIS IS FOR WHAT WAS BRAMBLE'S OPERATION AT CHERRY LANE.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S AND I DID I DID HAVE A QUESTION.

THERE WAS, THERE WAS I WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT THE SITE, THE SETBACK BECAUSE IT WAS WE WANT TO WE WANT TO GO INSIDE THE 200FT.

BUT IT WAS LIKE, WHY? YOU KNOW, AND THEN AND THEN THE SCREENING THERE WAS LIKE YOU SAID, YOU WANT TO SCREEN THE HIGHWAY, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SCREEN REALLY WHAT I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO SCREEN THE NEIGHBORS.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO SCREEN THE NEIGHBORS.

AND THAT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, IF I WANT WATERFRONT PROPERTY, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME WATERFRONT PROPERTY HERE IN TEN YEARS.

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[INAUDIBLE] IF YOU CAN'T BE 200 SETBACK, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

I AIN'T OUT HERE TO CREATE AN ARGUMENT OVER NOTHING, YOU KNOW? AND ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS PREPARE MYSELF TO DOWN THE ROAD FOR BUSINESS WISE.

AND I JUST I THINK THE ONLY THING I CAN REALLY SAY, YOU KNOW IF YOU CAN'T GET IT, YOU CAN'T GET IT.

YOU KNOW I WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY ON BOTH ENDS.

MY END RULE END EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I AIN'T COMING OUT HERE AND TRY TO START A WHOLE LOT OF RUCKUS.

YOU KNOW I AIN'T INTO THAT.

GETTING TOO OLD FOR THAT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SURE THAT BOARD OF APPEALS WILL DEBATE THE MATTER.

OH, YEAH? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.

EXACTLY. [INAUDIBLE] I THINK THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS SIMILAR TO THE OTHERS I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM THERE.

AND I MEAN, AND IT'S ONLY FAIR TO THE OTHER PITS, I MEAN, BECAUSE BECAUSE IF NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO THE OTHER PITS WILL BE IN HERE.

HEY. DISADVANTAGES THEM IF YOU GIVE US SOMETHING.

YEAH. BUT I MEAN, YEAH, KIND OF RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.

SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE INFORMATION THAT IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE AN INFORMED, GOOD DECISION.

[INAUDIBLE] BUT YORK WENT BACK AND GOT LONGER HOURS . SO BUT WE WERE I'LL BE HONEST, WE COULDN'T [INAUDIBLE]. YOU GOT 3 OR 4 PITS ARE DRYING UP, AND THEY'RE CUTTING EVERYBODY OFF AND KEEPING IT FOR THEMSELVES.

AND AND, I MEAN, IT'S QUITE A COMMODITY.

IT KEEPS ON SEEMING GOING TO BE ABOUT $400 A YARD BEFORE IT'S OVER WITH.

AND IT'S GOING OUT OF SIGHT NOW.

BUT YEAH.

DOES ANYBODY GOT.

I DON'T WANT TO DO ALL THE TALKING.

ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING? PIGGYBACK ON THE HOURS.

I JUST HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE OR DARK.

SO LIKE SUMMERTIME, YOU'RE GOING TO DIG 100 FOOT FROM THIS PERSON'S PROPERTY 9:00 AT NIGHT.

SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A SET CUTOFF, THAT OR DARK NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT.

AND 5:00 SEEMS TO BE THE CUT OFF THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THESE PLANTS OR SHUTTING THESE PLANTS DOWN.

YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'RE DIGGING AND THEY'RE RUNNING THE WASH PLANT. BUT ANYWAY. WOW.

YES, SIR. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH TIME BEGINNING, BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON SITTING HERE PROBABLY A QUARTER OF A MILE.

I LIVE A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM CHERRY LANE PIT, A QUARTER MILE FROM BRIDGETOWN'S PIT.

AND YEAH, I GUESS MAYBE I'M JUST DESENSITIZED BECAUSE I'M SO I'M SO USED TO HEARING THE TRUCKS IN THE MORNING.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NORMAL THING.

THE ONLY THING I SEE ON I KNOW ONE THING ON THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE ABOUT TO BEGIN.

I KNOW A LOADING TRUCK COMING OUT OF THERE.

THAT'S 50 MILES. THAT'S A 50 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.

AND I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE COMING AROUND THAT BEND.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU YOU GOT A TRUCK JUST IN FIRST GEAR AND YOU'RE IN A TRACTOR TRAILER COMING AROUND THERE.

AND THE SCHOOL BUSSES TOO, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ME.

AND LOOK. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU START AT 6, YOU WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH THE SCHOOL BUSSES OR WHAT? YOU'RE SAYING THAT NORMALLY MOST OF THEM ARE GONE? YES. YES, SIR.

IT SEEMED LIKE. YEAH, THEY'RE ABOUT RIGHT AROUND 7 AND 7:30.

YEAH, THEY ARE, THEY ARE.

AND AND THAT'S WHAT [INAUDIBLE] WE HOLD THE TRUCKS.

THEY GET ALL PISSED OFF WITH ME, BUT, I MEAN, I WHEN I SEE THAT ONE SCHOOL BUS GO BY, I KIND OF GIVE THEM THE GREEN LIGHT TO PICK UP A LITTLE GIRL,

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YEAH. AND THEN DOWN TO THE NEXT HOUSE OR TWO OTHER LITTLE GIRLS [INAUDIBLE].

SO DO YOU, DO YOU START IT AT 7? YOU WOULD START IT AT 6, BUT YOUR TRUCKS WON'T ROLL OUT UNTIL 7:30.

IF THEY PARK DOWN I GOT A BLACKTOP CIRCLE, AND IN THE MORNING THEY PARKED DOWN THERE, DOWN THERE IN THE MORNING.

OKAY. AND AND THEN AT 7:00, I WOULD LET THEM COME IN AND LOAD THEM UP, AND THEN THEY JUST SIT THERE.

AND THAT WE GOT ONE BUS CUZ THEY'RE A REGULAR AND I DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THAT BUS.

I MEAN I KNOW WHEN WE USED TO HAVE KIDS SO I GOT ONE MORE MYSELF.

MR. CHAIRMAN I DID GO BACK WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 94 FOR THE BRIDGETOWN OPERATION.

I NEED TO CHECK, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PHASES DONE AFTER THAT, BUT THE ORIGINAL HOURS WERE 7 TO 5, MONDAY TO FRIDAY AND SEVEN TO NOON ON SATURDAYS.

I NEED TO CHECK TO SEE IF THEY MADE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THAT OVER THE YEARS, BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

OKAY. DOES THAT I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S FROM WHAT I FOUND OUT.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW THEIR WINTER HOURS.

ALL THEY DID WAS BUMP IT BACK AN HOUR FOR SUMMER TO 6 TO 5 FOR SUMMER.

BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MORNING PROBLEM, THEY PRELUDE.

OH I'M SORRY.

THE BRIDGE, THE BRIDGETOWN PIT DON'T HAVE A MORNING PROBLEM, THEY PRELOAD.

THOSE TRUCKS ARE UP THE ROAD BY 5 A.M..

YEAH, BUT ALL IN ALL, AIR TRUCKS AND EVEN THEN, TRUCKS DO IT ALL PRETTY MUCH LEAVE IN THE MORNING NOW, AROUND TWO IN THE MORNING.

AND THEY BACK.

THEY WERE BACK BY QUARTER, QUARTER OF SIX IN THE MORNING 6:30 THEY'RE ALL BACK.

YEAH, YEAH.

ONE ROUND.

SECOND ROUND.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

SO WHAT ELSE? WHAT? ALL WE NEED TO DO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START.

AND MOST OF MY TRUCKS I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE.

THE ONES THAT ALL GO TO PENNSYLVANIA, THEY END UP STAYING UP THERE ALL DAY [INAUDIBLE] AND GET PRELOADED AROUND 2:00.

BUT THE ONES THAT GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE GO CLEAR OUT FREDERICK AND BACK THAT WAY.

AND THEN THE BOYS LEAVE RIGHT AROUND 2-2:30 IN THE MORNING AND THEN GET BACK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AROUND 6 [INAUDIBLE] UP AND ALL THAT. [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE ANY PLAN TO RESELL STONE OR LIME FROM THIS FACILITY? NO.

I SELL MY OWN STONE.

BUT WHEN WE WASH, WE'LL [INAUDIBLE] THREE QUARTERS AND A LITTLE BIGGER STUFF IF IT'S ANY THERE.

BUT I DON'T SEE NONE THERE.

MOST OF THE PEAT GRAVEL WHAT'S THERE.

BUT NO, I IT DON'T PAY TO BRING MATERIAL BACK, DUMP THE PILE, RELOAD AND GO.

I DON'T DO NONE OF THAT. I TAKE IT RIGHT TO THE [INAUDIBLE] I'VE GOT ENOUGH SOURCES THAT I SELL ENOUGH MATERIAL.

I LIKE THE LANDFILL, I TAKE CRUSHED CONCRETE OUT THERE [INAUDIBLE] . I TAKE A LOT OF STONE INTO DIAMOND.

AND I'VE GOT SEVERAL PLACES I GO [INAUDIBLE].

PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF HIS STONE.

OKAY. PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, HIT THE DOORS.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE AG BUILDING NOW THAT YOU WON'T NEED IT FOR AG ANYWAY? I WON'T KEEP THE AG BACK, ACTUALLY.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO PUT A SHED [INAUDIBLE] THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE [INAUDIBLE] I'M GOING TO USE IT FOR WORKING IN ON IT AND YEAH.

WORKING. WORKING IN LIKE WHAT? FOR THE FOR THE PLANT.

AS A SHOP. FOR THE PLANT? NO, I DON'T NEED A SHOP FOR THE PLANT.

THAT THAT WILL NEED BIG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY EQUIPMENT.

I WILL HAVE OR BE A BIG WHEEL LOADER AND I CAN PUT IT IN ON THERE.

AND THAT THE BIG WHEEL LOADER, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY TWO BIG WHEEL LOADERS THERE AND AN EXCAVATOR.

TWO EXCAVATOR.

AND I'M GOING TO PUT A JET DREDGE ON THE, ON THE NOSE OF THE EXCAVATOR.

AND I'M NOT PLANNING TO RUN OFF ROAD TRUCKS EITHER.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO PAN THE TOPSOIL AND PILE IT UP AND SELL IT.

AND. AND I'M RIGHT IN TO.

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I'VE GOT ABOUT THREE FOOT OF MASONRY SAND, AND I'M IN GOOD MATERIAL.

I'M IN REAL GOOD MATERIAL AND.

WELL. HAVE YOU. YOU'RE TALKING A HUNDRED LOADS A DAY.

DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON YOUR.

ON ANY LOCAL STUFF? ARE YOU SELLING LOCALLY? LOCAL AROUND HERE? OH, YEAH.

I SAW A LOT. ALL THESE SEPTICS AND STUFF.

SO A LOT TO THE SEPTIC.

ALL ON QUEEN ANNE'S.

I SAW A LOT IN I SAW A LOT IN THERE.

SO A LOT OF SEPTIC STEAM CAN'T KEEP IT.

AND THE MASONRY, THE MASONRY SAND WOULD STAY PROBABLY LOCAL TOO.

YEAH. AND THAT TOPSOIL, THEY'D BE SELLING IT.

LOOK. MORE THAN LIKELY.

YEAH. I SAW A LOT TO THE BARRIER PLACE UP THERE.

THEY MAKE VAULTS AND ALL.

I SAW HIM ON HIS STONE.

HIS SAND HAD ALL BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH PRETTY MUCH LOCAL ALL AROUND ON THAT, YOU KNOW.

WELL, AS FAR AS THE SETBACK, I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SETBACK BEING CLOSER ALONG MARYLAND ROUTE 313.

I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO AFFECT ANY NEIGHBORS THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING REDUCING THE SETBACK ALONG ANY NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UNLESS THAT NEIGHBOR WOULD PROVIDE A LETTER THAT SAID THAT THEY'RE FINE WITH REDUCING IT TO 100FT.

BUT I THINK ALONG THE HIGHWAY, HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT.

YOU KNOW, ON ANY NEIGHBORS THROUGH SOUND OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, IF THE NEIGHBOR HAS GOT ONE LARGE NEIGHBOR IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO REDUCE ALONG THE BACK.

I DON'T SEE ANY DWELLINGS OR ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IS THAT A REQUIREMENT WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE THAT YOU WOULD NEED PERMISSION FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO GO? YES. WITHIN INSIDE THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.

YES. YOU CAN REQUIRE THOSE CONDITIONS.

YES, I'LL MAKE THAT AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I AGREE WITH YOU. WELL, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WITH ME.

I'M LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORS. I MEAN, THE REASON WE HAVE SETBACKS.

AND SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T CARE WHO DOES THE COMPLAINT.

RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND I GO BACK TO THERE WAS A WORK GROUP PUT INTO PLACE BACK IN PROBABLY 2017, 2018 THAT SUGGESTED THIS 200 FOOT SETBACK.

AND IF WE JUST CONTINUALLY GIVE A VARIANCE, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING IT? YEAH. SO I MEAN THE ISSUE, THE ISSUES I HAVE THE LOADS FOR THE LOADS GOING OUT OF THERE.

THEY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PITS.

THE TIMES NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PITS.

THAT'S ME.

I AGREE WITH TRAVIS.

IF THE NEIGHBORS IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T MIND HIM CUTTING THAT BANK UP THERE.

OKAY. NOW, THE OTHER THING IS THE SCREENING.

HE'S ONLY SCREENING.

THEY'RE ONLY SCREENING THE HIGHWAY.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT SCREENING THE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.

SO I WOULD SAY THE SAME FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY PROVIDE A THEY DON'T WANT THE SCREENING, THEN DON'T REQUIRE THE SCREENING.

LIKE A LETTER FROM THE HOMEOWNER.

YEAH. ADJACENT PROPERTY.

BUT. BUT YOU HAVE TO SCREEN THE HIGHWAY.

YES. YEAH.

AS IT'S ONLY, LIKE, THREE.

AM I GOT ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? ANY. WE'VE GOT THE HOURS OF OPERATION NOW.

AND MY THING IS, I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD LET QUEEN AND COUNTY KNOW.

IT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT, I MEAN, WE'RE SITTING OVER HERE MAKING DECISIONS THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEM.

I THINK THEY AT LEAST GET TO KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT.

WELL, THEY COULD TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION, AND IF THEY HAVE ANY PENDING APPLICATIONS OR APPROVING THEM FOR ANY MINING IN THEIR COUNTY.

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ALONG ALONG THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AS LONG AS THEY THEY APPROVE AND THOSE SCREENING ALONG THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AS LONG AS THEY APPROVE.

DO YOU WANT TO REQUEST COMMENTS FROM QUEEN COUNTY OR JUST NOTIFY THEM? I THINK WE CAN REQUEST COMMENTS FROM THEM BECAUSE THEN THAT CAN ALSO GO TO THE BZA.

SO THEY HAVE COMMENTS FROM QUEEN ANNE COUNTY TO CONSIDER, JUST LIKE THE NEIGHBORS COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

OKAY. DID THEY REQUEST COMMENTS FROM US? YES, THEY HAVE. IN THE PAST, WHEN THEIR HAUL ROAD HAS TRAVELED THROUGH QUEEN ANNE OR THROUGH CAROLINE COUNTY.

OKAY. SO YOU WANT THEM TO PROVIDE COMMENTS BEFORE GOING THERE? YES, I WOULD THINK.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THAT'S SO THEY CAN BE THE HAS THE INFORMATION.

I MEAN, IN THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY'LL HAVE THEY'LL HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO READ COMMENTS FROM QUEEN ANNE COUNTY, WHICH WILL PROBABLY GET YOU COMMENTS FROM OTHER RESIDENTS OVER THERE.

THAT GOES TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW. I'M STILL LOOKING.

I'M STILL LOOKING ON OURS FOR BRIDGETOWN.

THEY WENT THROUGH PROBABLY 6 OR 7 CHANGES, BUT THERE WAS ONLY AT ONE POINT THEY ASKED TO HAVE SUMMER HOURS, BUT IT WASN'T APPROVED.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD VARY.

YEAH, I JUST I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S LESS DEMAND FOR SAND IN THE WINTERTIME BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION SLOWS DOWN.

BUT YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE IT WITH 45 SECONDS.

SO ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO ADD? BECAUSE I GUESS WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BZA ON A, B, C, D E.

WELL, AND I GUESS WE CAN.

SO DO YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I MEAN, Y'ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

FOR THE LOADS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, THEY JUST THEY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER PITS, WHICH IS IT'S GOING TO BE I MEAN, THAT'S I KNOW I THINK BRIDGETOWN'S ALLOWED TO DO 100 TRUCKS OR 100 OUT OF THERE AND THEN LET LET QUEEN ANNE COUNTY KNOW ABOUT THE TRUCK ROUTE, THE PROPOSED TRUCK ROUTE, AND GET COMMENTS FROM THEM FOR THE BZA, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO GO TO BZA.

SO THEY'LL HAVE IT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE NEED A COPY OF THE REVISED OF THE TRUCK ROUTE IF THEY'RE GOING TO PENNSYLVANIA OR WHAT? THAT WASN'T ON THERE, WAS IT, OR WAS IT? NO, IT JUST SHOWED HIS TRUCK ROUTE GOING THROUGH ROOTSTOWN.

BUT HE SAID IF HE GOES TO PENNSYLVANIA, HE'S GOING.

AND I GUESS HE CAN MAKE A NOTE IN THAT, THAT HE SAYS HIS TRUCK, I DON'T.

DO YOU PUT TWO TRUCK ROUTES ON THE ON YOUR ON YOUR PLANS.

I DON'T YEAH.

WE CAN USE A DIFFERENT PATTERN.

WE SHOW SOME GOING IN ONE DIRECTION FOR LOCAL DELIVERIES AND ANOTHER DIRECTION.

AND THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE ON THAT TRUCK ROUTE PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT LIKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IS LOCAL DELIVERIES AND ANOTHER PERCENTAGE, 20%, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE 60% IS, YOU KNOW, FOR GOING NORTH.

SO AND I GUESS.

WHEN YOU NOTIFY QUEEN ANNE AND SUGGEST COMMENTS IT'S, IT'S INGLESIDE AND ROUTES OUT.

OUT 302.

YES. WE'LL JUST ASK THEM TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED TRUCK ROUTE THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED.

SO SO THERE'S THAT.

AND THEN AND THEN I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH GOING WITHIN THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.

WHERE IT'S SHOWN, WHERE IT'S SHOWN.

AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T GIVE CONSENT AS LONG AS THEY AGREE.

RIGHT. WE CAN GO ADJACENT TO THE HIGHWAY WITH NO OWNER PERMISSION.

BUT WE NEED OWNER PERMISSION TO GO INTO THERE.

YEAH. 200 FOOT SETBACK.

AND THEN THAT'S BASED ON THE DRAWING THAT'S HERE.

YEAH. THE DRAWING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THIS LOT.

NO, THAT'S NONE OF THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT YOU GET OWNER PERMISSION ON LIKE ACROSS THIS BACK HERE.

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THIS ONE IS OVER HERE. YEAH.

YEAH. BECAUSE THE STATE HIGHWAY WOULD STAY THE SAME.

AND THEN.

AND THEN THE SCREENING AS YOU SHOW SCREENING ALONG THE HIGHWAY.

SO THE SCREENING WOULD BE THE SAME THING AS LONG AS THE OWNERS DON'T GIVE.

AS LONG AS THE OWNERS GIVE CONSENT THEN.

RIGHT. SO Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? GOT ANY WORK OUT? WE'LL WORK IT OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE TO TURN THAT INTO A MOTION.

SO MOVED. YEAH.

BUT LOOK PRETTY MUCH THREE POINTS.

BUT YEAH. AND I GOT EM WRITTEN DOWN TOO.

BUT STEWART NOT GOING TO LET US DO THIS.

HE'S GOING TO MAKE US TALK THIS.

HE'S GOT IT.

GOOD. I TRUST HIM.

I MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON THESE CONDITIONS OF GIVING QUEEN ANNE COUNTY NOTIFICATION AND COMMENT. MAKE SURE ALL ADJACENT OWNERS GIVE APPROVAL TO GO WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT SETBACK AND NOT TO HAVE SCREENING AND HAVE A SET HOURS OF OPERATION LIKE CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT TO NEIGHBORING PITS.

MINING OPERATIONS.

OPERATIONS. GOOD.

GOOD. DO YOU WANT TO SPECIFY HOW FAR INSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER SAY AS SHOWN? I AGREE, YES.

SHOWS. SHOWS 100 ON THE SITE PLAN.

ACTUALLY, IT'S 100 FOOT.

YEAH. SO THEY'RE GOING FROM 200 TO 100 FOOT IN THOSE AREAS.

AND I WILL SECOND HER MOTION.

IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? YES. IS THAT WE KNOW.

DID IT COVER THE POINTS? DID IT COVER YOUR POINTS? OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION IN A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY I.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? I RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

OKAY. MOTION CARRIES.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU.

WONDERFUL. OKAY.

WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH.

WHEN WE COME BACK.

WHENEVER THAT IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

OH, SAME HERE, SIR.

INDEED. THANK YOU.

I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU. THAT'S A GOOD THING.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU. THANKS.

PEOPLE SAY A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT HIM.

WELL, I HAVE. I'VE NEVER TALKED TO HIM TO SWIMMING.

I'VE DONE A LOT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.

YEAH. THANKS.

THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU CATHERINE. NICE TO SEE YOU ALL.

AFTER TALKING TO YOU AGAIN. YEAH.

YEAH. JUST WHAT WAS IT? THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT? YOU JUST NEED TO APPLY OVER THERE TO THE WATER AND SEWER TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S NO WATER OR SEWER IN YOUR CHANGE TO YOUR BUILDING? YEP. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THE MORE.

OKAY. AND I GUESS I'LL GET IT RIGHT HERE.

JUST CALL ME. CALL ME.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. NO PROBLEM.

APPRECIATE YOU CALL. OKAY.

THANKS. CAN I JUST MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CLEARING HOUSE? YEAH. SECOND.

SECOND. SEE? ONE, A ONE.

A LITTLE ATTEMPT TO DISCUSS IT MIGHT BE IN ORDER BEFORE YOU.

SO I WENT THROUGH. WE DID THIS BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER.

SO I DID GO THROUGH 7 OR 8 OF THOSE EXPANSIONS OUT THERE TO BRIDGETOWN, AND THEY NEVER WAVERED FROM THE ORIGINAL 1990 FOUR HOURS OF 7 A.M. START TIME.

THEY ASKED FOR SUMMER HOURS AND THEY WERE DENIED IT.

AND THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

I MEAN, IF THE NOISE CARRIES, IT'S THAT'S THAT'S EARLY ENOUGH AND LATE ENOUGH TO BE IN OPERATION.

THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK. YEAH. THAT OR DARK THAT.

YEAH. THAT WORKS GOOD IN THE WINTER.

A LITTLE AFTER 4:00.

YEAH. AND AFTER 9:00.

THAT DON'T HAVE BERMS BECAUSE THAT'S NO NOISE BUFFER.

YES. THERE ARE MINES WITHOUT BERMS. YES. OKAY.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

YEAH. THE ONE.

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I DON'T WANT THAT.

BRIDGETOWN DOESN'T HAVE IT.

THEY HAVE IT IN PORTIONS.

WHEN THEY CAME BACK TO EXPAND CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN OF BRIDGETOWN, THERE WAS PROPERTY OWNERS THERE THAT THE BOARD REQUIRED A BERM BECAUSE OF THE NOISE. YEAH.

BUT YOUR CONSERVANCY MIGHT WANT THAT BECAUSE THEY BORDER THAT WHOLE NORTH WESTERN ARC OF THAT PROPERTY IS ALL, WELL, IT IS PROBABLY A BOG.

AND YOU KNOW, HE'S RIGHT.

WHAT WE HAVE IS A FINITE RESOURCE DEPOSIT IN CAROLINE COUNTY.

AND IT'S NOT JUST ALL SANDS ARE NOT MADE OF LIKE SOME SANDS ARE.

MASON SANDS, YOU KNOW, ONE PARTICULAR PLACE THAT WE HAUL SOME OUT OF HAS A TON OF MASON SAND.

WELL, YOU DON'T NEED MASON SAND.

IT'S NOT AS HIGH DEMAND AS CONCRETE.

SAND, WHICH ALSO IS SEPTIC SAND.

SO THE CONCRETE SAND IS JUST LARGER, HAS MORE ROCKS, YOU KNOW, LARGER GRAVEL.

SO IT WORKS BETTER IN CONCRETE WHERE THE MASONRY SAND IS JUST LIKE A POWDER, YOU KNOW.

SO DIFFERENT MINES, DIFFERENT DEPOSITS, THEY GET INTO DIFFERENT VEINS.

SO IT'S SO WHEN HE SAID TRUCKS WERE THE SAME TRUCKS WERE DOES HE MEAN LIKE THEY, THEY GO TO ONE MINE, GET SAND AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT AND ADD MORE SAND AND GO TO THE NEXT AND ADD NO, NO.

SO WHAT HE'S DOING IS THEY'RE COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT HIS TRUCKS.

NO, THEY'RE HIRED TRUCKS.

THEY JUST SHARE DRIVERS, BASICALLY.

RIGHT. IT MIGHT BE. IT MIGHT BE A SOLE PROPRIETOR TRUCK.

THAT'S ALL THAT PERSON DOES.

OR IT MIGHT BE SOMEBODY WHO OWNS TEN TRUCKS, OR IT MIGHT BE THE CONCRETE PLANTS, TRUCKS OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS LOAD SAND, HAUL IT TO CONCRETE PLANTS, MOST LIKELY IN PENNSYLVANIA.

LEAVE THE CONCRETE PLANT IN PENNSYLVANIA.

GO TO A QUARRY OR A LIME QUARRY OR A STONE QUARRY.

LOAD THERE AND THEN COME BACK.

CHENEY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT STOCKPILES AND RESELLS.

EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD BE A DIRECT BACKHAUL, LIKE THEY WOULD HAUL IT DIRECTLY TO YOUR HOUSE AND PUT IT ON YOUR DRIVEWAY.

OR IN MANY CASES, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT GOES TO A CONCRETE PLANT SOMEWHERE DOWN HERE.

THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

OR AN ASPHALT PLANT.

SO APPARENTLY HE BACKHAULS TO A LOT OF ASPHALT PLANTS AND CONCRETE PLANTS AROUND DOVER AREA.

SO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STONE QUARRIES HERE, THEY HAUL SAND UP WHERE THEY HAVE STONE BUT NOT SAND AND THEN BRINGS.

SO IT'S A CYCLE.

BUT YEAH.

SO WILL THIS MOVE FAST ENOUGH TO BE ON VISA NEXT MONTH OR QUEEN ANNE'S PROBABLY WON'T COMMENT THAT FAST.

YEAH, I GOT COMMENTS LIKE THAT.

IS A TOWN OR AN UNINCORPORATED RURAL VILLAGE LIKE LIKE HOBBS, LIKE HOBBS.

A POLICE OFFICER THERE, THOUGH, YOU KNOW.

OH, THEY MAKE A FORTUNE.

THEY MAKE YOU CAN JUST REACH OUT TO WHOEVER REACHED OUT TO US FULL TIME POLICE FORCE.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S SIX, BUT I WOULD ASK FOR TEN FROM 7 TO 5.

THAT'S ABOUT IT. YEAH.

LET'S GO. REVISIONS TOMORROW.

OH, HANNAH'S GOT TO GO.

OKAY. BEFORE YOU MOVE ALONG.

CLEARINGHOUSE THE CHANGE.

THE MARYLAND STATE CLEARINGHOUSE REVIEW FOR ADKINS ARBORETUM OF THE LARGE PROJECT IS SITE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE FULL PROJECT

[Clearinghouse Review: Adkins Arboretum]

THEY HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOL GROUPS THAT ARE IN THERE AND GROUPS IN GENERAL, AND THEN THE AVERAGE VISITORS THAT GO IN TO GIVE SEATING AND A PLACE TO SIT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE LUNCH OR OR CLASSROOMS THAT ARE DOING OUTDOOR EDUCATION PROGRAMS AS PART OF THE TOUR.

SO THESE FACILITIES CREATE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WILL ADD SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE.

THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING TRAIL IMPROVEMENT, MOWING, CLEANING, INVASIVE SPECIES REMOVAL, BUSH HOGGING, CREATING SOME NEW TRAIL NETWORKS.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF IS LOOKING AT DOWN THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OR KIND OF BEEFING UP THEIR EXISTING EXHIBITS.

SO THEY'VE RECEIVED FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING.

THEY HAD A TOTAL BUDGET FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS IS $575,000.

THEY SUBMITTED AND RECEIVED A CONGRESSIONAL APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST THROUGH THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE FOR $260,000. AND THEN THEY'VE RAISED ON THEIR OWN A LITTLE OVER 100,000.

AND THEN THE REMAINING MONEY IS COMING THROUGH DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE MARYLAND STATE ARTS COUNCIL, THE MARYLAND HERITAGE AREAS AUTHORITY, AND

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SO THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER THIS KIND OF PATCHWORK QUILT OF FUNDING AND ARE READY TO GET STARTED.

THE CLEARINGHOUSE REVIEW IS TRIGGERED BECAUSE OF THE STATE AGENCY FUNDING FROM THE STATE ARTS COUNCIL AND MARYLAND HERITAGE ASSOCIATE AND DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PROGRAMMATIC, CATEGORICAL, CATEGORICAL EXCLUSION FOR THE PROJECT WHERE THEY DID AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO MEET THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT, WHICH IS NEPA REQUIREMENTS, AND FOUND THAT THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

SO JUST GOING THROUGH THE INFORMATION, THEY HAVE NO IMPACTS IN THE CRITICAL AREA.

THE ONLY IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS ABOUT 1000FT OF THAT NESTLED IN NATURE TERRACED AREA.

BUT IT ALL LOOKS AMAZING.

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

WE CONSIDER THEM TO BE A SIGNIFICANT EDUCATIONAL AND RECREATIONAL AND TOURISM.

SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESOURCE IN THE COUNTY, AND THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMP PLAN GOALS FOR SUPPORTING RECREATIONAL AND OPEN SPACE PROGRAMING AND IMPROVEMENTS FOR HERITAGE AND TOURISM PROGRAMS, WHICH ADD TO QUALITY OF LIFE FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS A CLEARINGHOUSE APPROVAL CODE OF C1, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PLANS, PROGRAMS AND OBJECTIVES.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T SEE ANY SOLAR PANELS.

YEAH. AND NOBODY'S DIGGING A PIT ON THEIR ANYWHERE.

THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD.

THIS IS WEIRD. WHAT DO YOU MEAN, SOLAR PANELS? SOMEBODY TOLD ME THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HIGH RISE SOLAR PANELS.

I THINK EVERYBODY SAW THE WORD RYAN ON THE CONSTRUCTION SITE AND THOUGHT IT WAS RYAN HOMES.

I'M JUST SAYING, I'VE HEARD SO MUCH GOOD GOD ABOUT YOU.

I THINK THAT MEADOW OVER THERE, THEY SHOULD HAVE SOLAR PANELS.

DO WE HAVE TO GIVE LIKE ON PAST ONES? WE'VE HAD TO GIVE LIKE A SPECIAL APPROVAL.

LIKE AC1 OR.

YES. YEAH. C111.

THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.

OH. DID YOU SEE THAT AGAIN? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE C ONE APPROVAL CODE.

CLEARING HOUSE APPROVAL CODE.

CLEARING HOUSE APPROVAL CODE FOR THIS ATKINS ARBORETUM PROJECT.

I SECOND.

WE HAD A MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.

SAY AYE. AYE AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE NOT RUNNING VIDEO.

RIGHT. SO ARE WE RUNNING VIDEO? OKAY. SO PEOPLE CAN STILL SEE US RAISE OUR HANDS.

OKAY, I WAS GONNA SAY, WHY ARE WE SITTING HERE RAISING THEIR HAND? WE DON'T RUN THE VIDEO.

OKAY. UNTIL YOU ADJOURN.

OKAY. STAFF COMMENTS.

ANYBODY? WELL, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A BCA UPDATE.

[BZA Update]

SO IN OCTOBER WE HAD TWO SEPARATE BCA HEARINGS.

THE OCTOBER 15TH HEARING INVOLVED TWO REQUESTS FOR SPECIAL USE EXCEPTIONS THE TRIBUTE PROPERTIES LLC, WHICH YOU JUST HEARD FROM AGAIN THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS CAROLINE MATERIALS.

BOTH WERE APPROVED FOR THE TRIBUTE PROPERTIES CASE.

THE BOARD REMOVED THE FORMERLY REQUIRED FIVE YEAR APPROVAL PERIOD THAT RAN WITH THE MDE PERMIT, SO HE WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO COME BACK EACH TIME TO ASK TO CONTINUE.

AND THE BOARD APPROVED THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION FOR A NEW AREA FOR CAROLINE MATERIALS AND ALLOWED FOR THE REDUCTION IN THE 75 FOOT SETBACK AND FOR DRY SCREENING TO OCCUR UP TO THREE DAYS A WEEK.

THE BOARD CONTINUED REQUIRED CONTINUED MONTHLY MONITORING OF THE DISCHARGE PERMIT FROM MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT.

AND TWO APPEALS WERE HEARD ON THE OCTOBER 23RD MEETING.

BENJAMIN BLAIR AND WAKEFIELD HOLDINGS HAD REQUESTED AN APPEAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH CODE OF LAW.

PUBLIC LAW SECTIONS 175, 161 B OF MULTIPLE NOTICES OF VIOLATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND ALSO

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ALL INFECTIONS CONCERN THE PROPERTY AT 2309 TWO PEA VINER ROAD IN RIDGELEY AND FLAVOR AND WAKEFIELD ASSERTED THAT THEY HAD BEEN ERRONEOUSLY BEEN GIVEN ALL VIOLATION NOTICES, AND THEY CONTENDED THEY DID NOTHING WRONG FOR HEARTLAND HOLDINGS.

THEY ALSO REQUESTED AN APPEAL REGARDING THE COUNTY CODE SECTIONS 175, DASH ONE, 62 B, MULTIPLE NOTICES OF VIOLATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS RESOLUTION 2024 007.

PROPERTY IS THE 14010 RIVER ROAD PROPERTY IN GREENSBORO, AND HEARTLAND HOLDINGS INHOLDINGS CONTENDED ALL VIOLATION NOTICES THEY RECEIVED WERE IN ERROR AND ASSERTED THEY DID NOTHING WRONG.

THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS UPHELD ALL OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S ISSUANCE OF VIOLATIONS AND MORATORIA INFRACTIONS. SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? DO THEY THEY UP? THEY UPHELD IT.

NOW WHAT HAPPENS? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CONTINUE ON THE COURT TRACK THAT WE WERE ALREADY INVOLVED IN OR IF THEY.

YES, WE WILL PROCEED.

OKAY. HAVE THEY MADE ANY ATTEMPT TO GET PERMITTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT SINCE THAT MEETING? NO. NO CONTACT.

THEY HAVEN'T COME IN AND FILLED OUT PERMITS OR.

NO. I GUESS CAN YOU FIND OUT IF THEY DID DO THE STATE OF MARYLAND? WELL, WELL, THEY THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMITS.

VIOLATIONS WERE WITH THE COUNTY FOR NOT OBTAINING PROPER ZONING CERTIFICATES OR BUILDING PERMITS.

OH, OKAY. SO.

WE NEED TO TO FINALIZE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I HEARD BACK YET, EXCEPT VERBALLY SOMETHING, BUT WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND GET THAT LANGUAGE.

REFRESH MY MEMORY. WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

SORRY. THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE POLICY OF THE DEPARTMENT.

YES. YES WE ARE.

[Department Update]

WE ARE WORKING THROUGH MORE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT HEARING.

BECAUSE NOW HE HAS TO PAY THE BILLS OR HE HAS TO PAY THE FINES OR TAKE IT TO CIRCUIT COURT.

ALL CIVIL CITATIONS GO THROUGH DISTRICT COURT.

DISTRICT COURT? YES.

SO WE WERE IN A STAY BECAUSE OF THE APPEAL.

SO WE HAD TO HALT PROCEEDING IN DISTRICT COURT, WHICH WE JUST CHANGE THAT TUESDAY, THAT BILL THAT CAME THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE 90 TO 30 DAY AND TO PREVENT US FROM REQUIRING OURSELVES TO STAY IN.

SO THAT PASSED LAST TUESDAY AND IT IS ENACTED.

YEAH. AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER PART TO THAT BILL, WHICH WAS THAT IF A DETERMINATION WAS ALREADY MADE ABOUT THE ISSUE AT HAND PRIOR TO AND THEY DIDN'T APPEAL IT, YOU CAN'T COME BACK AT A LATER DATE AND APPEAL ANY CITATION OR VIOLATION THAT YOU WOULD RECEIVE.

OKAY. SO SOMETIME THIS CENTURY YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING.

SO IS HE STILL DOING HIS.

IS HE STILL VIOLATING HIS STUFF AND DOING HIS WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, HAULING HIS DEATH AND THROWING HIS.

HE'S NOT HAULING DEATH. HE'S NOT.

OKAY. WE'VE RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL WHERE WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF THAT COMMERCIAL GRAIN STORAGE IS STILL OCCURRING.

YES, THAT PART OF IT.

BUT AS FAR AS THE.

WELL, YEAH, MAYBE.

I MEAN, HE CAN. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HE KNOWS WHAT GRAIN IS GOING IN.

WHAT TANK. THAT'S THAT'S VERY EASILY FOUND OUT.

RIGHT. BUT YES, THAT PART OF IT THAT WAY, THAT PART OF THAT VIOLATION IS YES, HE HAS BEEN UTILIZING THE GRAIN FACILITY IN A COMMERCIAL MANNER WITHOUT APPROVALS.

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AND JESSE HAMMACK WAS THERE WITH ME.

HE WAS HELPING THE COUNTY OUT WITH THE SOLAR TASK FORCE, AND ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS WAS ON THE FOOD PROCESSING RESIDUALS LEGISLATION THAT WENT THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY LAST YEAR.

AND ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT WAS INTERESTING TO NOTE SAID TWO COUNTIES HAD ENACTED BANS, MORATORIUM RESOLUTIONS, AND ONE COUNTY HAD PASSED AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING A LICENSING PROCEDURE FOR THEM.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THAT PRESENTATION, AND I WAS LOOKING AT JESSE AND LOOKING AT THE SCREEN.

YEP. YEAH.

YEAH. ARE YOU GOING TO GO, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO BIG.

YEAH. WHY IS IT ALWAYS US, THOUGH? CAN'T IT BE SOMETHING ELSE? SO WHAT? SO WHAT? HOW DO WE MOVE OFF OF THIS? LIKE WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN? I MEAN. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HE JUST REQUESTED THAT HE COME IN AND MAKE A APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GET IT.

WE HAVE AN INJUNCTION THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

YES, WE HAVE A TRIAL, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, IN CIRCUIT COURT ON DECEMBER 27TH.

OH, THAT'S A GREAT DAY, THEN.

MERRY CHRISTMAS. YEAH.

HAPPY NEW YEAR. IT WAS BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS.

I WON'T BE HERE.

YEAH. AND AT THAT TIME, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WHAT'S THE LIKE? OBVIOUSLY HE'S GOING TO BE THERE WITH HIS LAWYER.

THE COUNTY. WELL, WE HAVE DUMPED A TON OF DISCOVERY PRETRIAL DISCOVERY MATERIALS ON THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO PRIOR TO DECEMBER 27TH.

WE'VE NOTED THE DEPOSITION OF MR. FLAHAUT AND HIS ENGINEER.

THEY HAVE VOLUMINOUS REQUESTS FOR ADMISSIONS OF FACTS, INTERROGATORIES, REQUESTS FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS AND A REQUEST FOR ENTRY UPON LAND AND THE TAKING OF SAMPLES, WHICH WE WILL HAVE ANALYZED.

I'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT SOURCES RIGHT NOW THAT WE WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM TO DO THE SAMPLING AND ANALYSIS.

SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE RULE BOOK FOR WHAT YOU CAN DO IN PRETRIAL DISCOVERY IN A CIVIL CASE, WE HAVE DONE FRIDAY LAST FRIDAY.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE HAVING TO RESPOND TO THOSE.

BUT THE TRIAL.

ON DECEMBER 27TH WILL BE.

FOR US RELIEF BEFORE THE FULL HEARING IS SCHEDULED.

THE FULL HEARING IS NOT GOING TO BE TILL NEXT SPRING.

THE TRIAL ON THE PERMANENT.

APRIL, RIGHT. YEAH.

PERMANENT INJUNCTION.

THIS IS A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION WHICH WOULD WHICH WOULD TAKE EFFECT IF THE JUDGE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES IT ON THE 27TH.

IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL THE FINAL TRIAL.

AND THE REQUESTED RELIEF INCLUDES GETTING RID OF ANY OF THE OFFENDING MATERIAL THAT'S IN THE FACILITY.

CEASE ALL OPERATIONS THAT ARE NOT PROPERLY PERMITTED.

AND ESPECIALLY WE'RE GOING TO ASK TO HAVE ALL THE GRAIN BINS EMPTIED, THE ONES THAT WERE ILLEGALLY CONSTRUCTED.

IT SHOULD BE A JUDGMENT DAY.

IF THE COURTS DO WHAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD DO NOW? DO WE HAVE ANY? ANY IDEA WHY HE WON'T APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT? I MEAN, I'M SERIOUS.

LIKE, HE CAN'T MEET HIS SETBACKS.

WELL. SO WHAT? WE WOULDN'T GIVE HIM A PERMIT.

HE'S BEEN DENIED THE VARIANCE THROUGH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS BECAUSE HE BUILT IT AFTER THE FACT.

HE BUILT THEM AND DIDN'T MEET THE SETBACKS.

BUT HE'S GOT IF HE OWNS THE TANK IN THAT ONE SPECIFIC TANK WAS TORE DOWN.

CAN HE GET A BUILDING PERMIT? HE COULD MOVE THEM OR TAKE THEM DOWN.

YES. IF HE FOLLOWS THE CONDITIONS THAT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IMPOSED, WHICH WAS ONE IMPORTANT ONE, WHICH IS ENTER INTO A DRAW WITH THE COUNTY REGARDING THE ROAD.

OR HE COULD GET AN AG PERMIT AND JUST STORE HIS OWN PERSONAL USE.

YEAH, BUT IN THAT ONE TANK OR THE WHOLE OPERATION, THE WHOLE OPERATION HAS TO BE.

CAN'T BE COMMERCIAL. YEAH.

WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE PROVISIONS OF THE BCA, WHICH WAS YOU HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK AND YOU HAVE TO DO THE DRA.

THOSE WERE THE TWO KEY COMPONENTS.

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BASICALLY. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I MEAN BUT IN THAT IN THAT HEARING IN THAT HEARING IT SAID LIKE HE'S GOT.

WELL ALL RIGHT, LET'S BACK UP ON THE ROAD.

HE SAID YOU NEED TO COME IN AND FILL OUT AN APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE ROOF STRUCTURE.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

HE HAS NOT SOUGHT TO GET ONE.

WHY? I MEAN, LIKE WHAT? THAT'S FINE. YEAH, THAT'S THE EASIEST ONE.

P BONNER WOULD BE THE EASIEST ISSUE TO RESOLVE.

WELL, DIDN'T YOU SAY HE PUT UP A COUPLE OF HOUSES THERE IN GREENSBORO WITHOUT OFFICE.

AND YES, AT THE GREEN FARM WITHOUT PERMITS.

YES, THERE IS A HE MOVED A HOUSE.

HE MOVED FROM THE HAYMAN PROPERTY ONTO THERE.

AND THEN THAT BEEN RESOLVED? NO. SO HE MOVED OUT WITHOUT A PERMIT? YES. AND HE STILL GOT A HOUSE SITTING UP THERE WITH NO PERMIT? CORRECT. GREEN TANKS WITH NO PERMIT.

ARE THE SETBACKS THE SAME FOR GREEN FACILITIES, WHETHER IT'S AG OR COMMERCIAL? NO. SO IF IT'S PERSONAL, THEY WOULD MEET THE COUNTY'S MINIMUM BUILDING RESTRICTION.

SETBACKS. IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, THEN IT INCREASES IT TO THE 500FT.

AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED ALL THIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE HE'S HE HE PUT IT UP OUTSIDE THE SETBACKS.

NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT STARTED IT.

SO WHAT HAPPENS? MOVING THE HOUSE STARTED IT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT GOES TO COURT? I MEAN, DOES THE OPERATION JUST SHUT DOWN? WHATEVER THE JUDGE ORDERS.

HE'S GOING TO ASK FOR. WELL, IF HE DOESN'T SHUT HIS OPERATION DOWN, THEN HE WOULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT OF COURT, AND THEN THEY COULD PUT HIM IN JAIL.

WELL, THIS THIS THE HEARING COMING UP IN DECEMBER IS JUST A STOPGAP TO GET THROUGH TO THE FULL.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY FINES PAID OR ANY ORDER FOR ANY OF THAT.

BUT WHAT IT WOULD DO IS, IS FORCE THE EMPTYING AND THE CESSATION OF OPERATIONS ESSENTIALLY.

WHAT IF HE UNTIL THE ACTUAL COURT DATE? I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF IF THIS HEARING RULES IN OUR FAVOR AND THEY ORDER HIM TO EMPTY THEM TANKS AND HE SAYS NOPE, AND JUST DOESN'T DO IT, THEN WHAT? YOU KNOW, THEN HE'S IN CONTEMPT OF JAIL.

THAT'S NOT IT. THEN IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.

IT'S HOW IT WORKS TO HIM.

WELL, WHAT HE WHAT? HE COULD, YOU KNOW, NOT TO TALK LEGAL STRATEGY IN PUBLIC FORUM HERE, BUT YOU WOULD TRY TO DO WHAT'S CALLED AN INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL TO THE APPELLATE COURT WITH A REQUEST FOR A STAY OF THE COURT'S INJUNCTION ORDER.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRIOR TO THE JUDGE FINDING YOU IN CONTEMPT.

YOU WOULD AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY AND TAKE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD LEGAL WORK TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT ACCOMPLISHED.

IT'S NOT EASILY DONE.

BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE AVENUES THAT COULD TAKE PLACE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, SOMETIMES PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO WHAT THE COURT TELLS THEM TO DO BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE APPELLATE EXPENSE.

AND THE LAWYERS TELLING THEM, YOU GOT TO DO WHAT THE JUDGE ORDERED YOU TO DO.

WELL, THAT'S GOING TO COST ME $500,000.

WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE YOU BLATANTLY, DELIBERATELY VIOLATED THE LAW.

THAT'S THE BRIGHTEST IS KEEPING PEOPLE.

YEAH. SO IT'S A IT'S A SLOW, LONG, DRAWN OUT PROCESS, BUT.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL THAT'S WHAT. YEP. DEPARTMENT UPDATES I THINK WE'RE SPENDING TIME ON THAT AND SOBER RIGHT NOW.

[Planning Commissioners Open Discussion]

IT'D BE NICE TO GET A GOOD.

YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT A GOOD MALL OR A WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING? WE DO. WE HAVE THE ADVERTISEMENT RUNNING FOR THE PERMIT.

TECHNICIAN. WE'VE BEEN GETTING IN APPLICATIONS DAILY, SO THAT'S GOOD.

WE DID GET ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLICATIONS FOR PLANNER.

LOOKS LIKE MAYBE ONE IS PROMISING.

SO WE COULD BE THEIR LUCKY DAY.

YOU GOT YOU GOT ONE ENFORCEMENT PERSON? YES. ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE ANY MORE? YEAH. LIKE, WHERE ARE WE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE HAVE? YEAH, WE GOT THAT UP? I THOUGHT WE SAID THAT OUT.

MY GOAL IS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, AT LEAST BEFORE THE DEADLINE NEXT YEAR TO START ON IT.

WELL, THERE THEY WANT THEM BY DECEMBER 2025.

[01:55:01]

AND I HAVE A FEELING ALL OF THE LAND USE DEBATE GOING ON, PARTICULARLY WITH SOLAR, IS GOING TO.

I MEAN, I HAVE THE FEELING OF WHAT'S THE POINT? WHAT'S THE POINT? SO, YES, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.

CAN I CAN I TELL YOU THAT? WAS THERE ANYTHING GOOD THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION LIKE CONFERENCE ANY LIKE? WELL, IN MY OPINION, IT WAS INTERESTING.

YEAH, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO GO TO A CONFERENCE FOR THE COUNTIES THAT WAS.

I MEAN, FREDERICK SAYING, HEY, LOOK AT OUR DOWNTOWN.

AND WE'RE SO GREAT. AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, LOOK AT OUR WATER AND SEWER.

AND IT'S WE NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT, BECAUSE CAROLINE COUNTY'S GOING TO HAVE TO GET INTO THAT.

YEAH. YEAH.

SO I MEAN, IT WAS JUST I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD STUFF.

AND THE TOURS, THEY TOOK THEM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WASN'T LIKE, LET'S TAKE YOU ON A TOUR OF OUR LATEST SOLAR FIELD AND OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR MINING OPERATIONS.

IT WAS LIKE, LET'S, LET'S GO DOWNTOWN AND LOOK AT ALL THE BARS WE GOT.

YEAH, I WAS I WAS LOOKING ON THE BUS RIDE FOR, FOR A SOLAR FIELD.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

SO I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, A LOT OF, A LOT OF I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF THERE, BUT THEY WERE THEY THEY WERE THERE WAS A LOT FOCUSED ON THE I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THEIR PRICE TAG FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

OKAY. OF 400,000 DIDN'T SEEM TO BE AFFORDABLE.

WELL, THEY. YEAH, THEY WERE TAKING US IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND AFFORDABLE 400,000 LOOKING AT ALL THOSE BRICK HOMES AND BRICK TOWN FULL, FULL BRICK, NOT BRICK.

THE WHOLE SHOOTING MATCH HAD THAT THAT SEEMED TO BE.

AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AS BEING A LITTLE UNREALISTIC FOR THE SIZE OF THE SIZE OF THE BAY WE LIVE ON.

VERY HIGH IN AREA OF AROUND ELLICOTT CITY IN THOSE AREAS LIKE THAT.

BUT THEY CONSIDERED THAT TO THEM.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WOW. YEAH.

WELL I'LL SAY YOU KNOW, SO SO FAR I MEAN WE'VE HAD A FEW RESPITES WHERE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SOME ADVANCES.

I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGE IN THE SETBACKS THAT WE DID TO FREE UP PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, ABILITY TO USE MORE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

I MEAN, WE'VE DONE WE'VE DONE SOME GOOD THINGS, BUT THE CRYSTALS POINT AND STEWART'S POINT WE HAVE AS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAVE REALLY BEEN BOGGED DOWN WITH SOLAR RIGHT NOW AND THIS ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD PEOPLE COMPLY AND WE HAVEN'T HAD TO GO DOWN THIS PATH.

AND IT'S IT'S EXPOSING A LOT OF DEFECTS IN OUR CODE WHICH WHICH WE'RE FIXING AND ADDRESSING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE AGENDA OF, OF MAKING THE GOVERNMENT WORK A LITTLE BETTER FOR THE CONSTITUENTS IS KIND OF GETTING PUSHED OFF TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES.

AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

IT'S ONE THING THAT'S FRUSTRATED ME IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF MY TERM IS, IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES, WHAT GETS DONE IS NOT UP TO THE THREE OF US IS THE ELECTED COMMISSIONERS.

IT'S IT'S DICTATED TO US BY, YOU KNOW, THESE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE SOLAR CASE, DEFENDING THE, THE LOOK AND, AND FEEL OF CAROLINE COUNTY.

SO, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S CONSUMED A LOT OF TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMING WEEKS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE EXPAND TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE BOTH OF THOSE MISSIONS AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE STILL HAVE PRIORITIES LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO REVISIT THE MINING CODE, OBVIOUSLY, OR WE'RE GOING TO GET COVERED UP WITH SURFACE MINES.

I THINK I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT SITING THEM ON STATE ROADS OR DICTATING WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE FOR TO A COUNTY ROAD.

IF IT'S ON A COUNTY ROAD RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S TOO VAGUE AND WE'RE GOING TO GET OURSELVES IN A CAUGHT IN A BATTLE WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO BUILD A SURFACE MINE FIVE MILES OFF A STATE ROAD, ON A COUNTY ROAD.

AND I THINK, IN FAIRNESS TO THE DEVELOPER, I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLEARLY SPELLED OUT IN CODE.

THESE ARE WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE IF YOU GO THERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN READ THE CODE AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU DO TO BRING OUR ROAD UP TO, YOU KNOW, UP TO A STANDARD THAT WOULD HOLD THAT TRUCK TRAFFIC.

[02:00:04]

THERE'S A TON OF THINGS THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, I COULD PICK THROUGH THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN CHRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT WE'RE BOGGED DOWN, YOU KNOW, MOST OF MY DAY TO DAY, I'M TROUBLESHOOTING A SEPTIC SYSTEM ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, GOD WANTS TO PUT AN ADDITION ON HIS HOUSE, A TWO BEDROOM ADDITION.

AND IN ORDER TO GET TO THE ADDITION, HE'S GOT TO TAKE CLOSETS OUT OF TWO BEDROOMS WHERE HE WANTS TO TURN ONE OF THE BEDROOMS INTO A PLAYROOM FOR HIS KIDS, AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS SAYING THAT HE CAN'T SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A PLAYROOM.

THEY SAY IT'S A BEDROOM.

IT LOOKS LIKE A BEDROOM TO THEM.

SO HIS SEPTIC HAS GOT TO BE UPGRADED TO HAVE A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE, WHEN REALLY HE'S ONLY GOING TO HAVE A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE SO HE CAN CHANGE THE USE OF A ROOM.

NOT ACCORDING TO THIS.

SO. BUT THOSE ARE THE RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT MY AND I GOT A PAYING JOB OUTSIDE OF THIS ONE.

AND I PROBABLY SPENT FOUR HOURS TODAY JUST DEALING WITH THAT.

SO MANY. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TRAVIS.

AND I KNOW IT IT IT BOGS YOU DOWN, BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THEM BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT ARE LOOKING AND GOING, LET'S GO TO CAROLINE COUNTY BECAUSE THEIR CODES VAGUE, RIGHT? AND YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL THEY HIT YOU WITH IT AND YOU GO, OH, HOW ABOUT THAT? IT'S A CONSTANT UPHILL BATTLE.

YEAH. AND YEAH, IT TAKES UP YOUR TIME BECAUSE NOTHING'S EVER PERFECT.

I MEAN, IF YOU STOP STRIVING TO GET BETTER, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT.

YOU'RE GOING BACKWARDS. YOU'RE NOT.

YEAH. YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE EITHER.

BUT WE'RE WE'RE CATCHING UP.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, I MEAN, YOU I MEAN, YOU CAME HERE TWO YEARS AGO AND YOU HAD THIS LIST OF STUFF, HOW YOU WERE GOING TO IMPROVE STUFF AND ALL YOU'VE DONE.

PUT OUT FIRE. YOU AIN'T BUILT NO ONE YET.

WE DONE. WE'VE DONE A FEW THINGS.

YEAH, BUT BUT BUT I MEAN AND THAT'S TYPICALLY GOVERNMENT AND AND THEY, THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT SMALL TOWN REVITALIZATION.

YEAH. THEY GOT THAT.

THAT WAS INTERESTING.

YEAH, I DID CONFERENCE. THEY DID SMALL TOWN AND I SHOULD ADD THIS.

THANK THANK YOU ALL FOR I DON'T SAY IT ENOUGH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING IT FOR NOTHING.

I AM GETTING A LITTLE BIT PROBABLY $0.05 AN HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING AN HOUR.

SO. BUT IT'S HARD TO GET VOLUNTEERS AND HAVE GOOD BOARD MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT. AND IT'S LIKE I TOLD THEM, ONE THING THAT FRUSTRATES ME IS WE KEEP AND AGAIN KEEP PEOPLE COMING WITH US WANTING SOME JUST WANTING STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT LET'S HAVE SOME FUN HERE AND DO SOMETHING.

BUT HERE WE ARE WITH A MINING PIT AND I AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE RUDE, BUT HIS HIS EXCUSE FOR GOING WITHIN THE 200 FOOT IS SO I CAN MAKE MONEY.

WELL, I NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY.

I CAN DIG MORE. THAT'S.

IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS THAT.

BUT WE. BUT WE MADE THAT RULE FOR A REASON.

AND NOW THEY MADE IT.

NO, AND I DIDN'T DO IT.

BUT. BUT WE GOT TO BE THE BAD GUYS AND WE KEEP GOING AND GOING.

NO, YOU CAN'T GO DO THAT.

WELL, WELL, JUST CHANGE THE RULE.

THERE WAS A WORKGROUP.

THIS WAS DISCUSSED PRIOR TO THIS AND THEY WANTED A 200 FOOT SETBACK.

BUT IT'S OUR JOB TO CONTINUE THAT.

NOW, YOU KNOW WE CAN EXPLORE EXPANDING ON THAT WAIVER IN THE SAME TERMS THAT WE DO FOR A VARIANCE.

YOU KNOW, WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO TELL CITIZENS, YES, THERE'S A PROVISION FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW YOU TO BUILD CLOSER TO A PROPERTY LINE, BUT THERE ARE CRITERIA YOU HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER FOR THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO GRANT THAT.

RIGHT. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CRITERIA.

IT SAYS YOU CAN ASK FOR THE WAIVER AND THAT'S IT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, UP TO YOU TO TO APPLY CRITERIA TO THAT WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME CRITERIA FOR WHEN SOMEONE COULD ACTUALLY ASK FOR WAIVERS, LIKE IF YOU WERE DIGGING CLOSER TO A PROPERTY THAT DID NOT HAVE A DWELLING OR AN IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR IF IT WAS A WOODED LOT.

I MEAN, IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, RIGHT? OR A FARM FIELD THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HOUSE LIKE LIKE HIS PROPERTY, THAT BACK OF IT.

IT'S LIKE, OKAY, HE DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK THERE ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S WET BACK THERE.

YEAH. IT'S WET.

YEAH. THAT'S NEAT. HE DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH THAT.

NO, I CAN'T GO BACK. THAT COST MONEY I WANT TO DIG OUT.

BUT I WOULDN'T LET ME GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD SO THAT THE WETLAND PERMIT MAYBE A YEAR OR MORE TO GET.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S OFF THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.

SO HE'S MOVING A PDA.

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER IS THEY GET IN.

I MEAN, WE'RE TRUSTING THESE APPLICANTS ANALYSIS OF THE SOILS THAT ARE THERE.

IF HE'S WRONG OR HE HITS A VEIN OF SOMETHING THAT HE CAN'T SELL, IT DOESN'T QUITE END UP LOOKING LIKE WHAT IT WOULD WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IT TO LOOK LIKE.

I MEAN, THAT MAY BE A VERY STRANGE SCENARIO, BUT I MEAN, I'VE HEARD OF MINES WHERE THEY GET OVERLOADED WITH MASON SAND AND THEY JUST CAN'T SELL

[02:05:05]

EVERYBODY WANTS THE CONCRETE SAND.

SO YOU GET INTO A VEIN LIKE THAT AND UNBEKNOWNST TO, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON DOING THE MINING AND BOOM THE PROJECT COMES TO.

IT MAY NOT BE 25 YEARS, IT MIGHT BE 50 YEARS, 75 YEARS, OR THEY MAY WALK AWAY FROM IT, YOU KNOW.

AND NOW MD DOES COVER RECLAMATION.

A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS REGULATED BY MD.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF PREEMPTED ON CERTAIN THINGS LIKE I WOULD SAY THE THE RECLAMATION PIECE OF IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF SNAGS, POTENTIAL SNAGS INSIDE OF THAT THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS WORKSHOPPED.

DID THEY ACTUALLY THEY DIDN'T REALLY BRING ANY EXPERTS IN THOUGH DID YOU TO, TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IT WAS KIND OF ALL DONE INTERNALLY.

I DON'T RECALL I WASN'T PART OF IT WHEN THAT ALL HAPPENED.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SPEAK TO WHAT HANNAH SAID.

YES. AT THE TIME, YOU REALIZED WE NEED SOME PROTECTION AND WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH THIS 200%.

BUT I THINK THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT WAS TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE EXISTING OPERATIONS THAT HAD ALREADY LOOKED AT THEIR 100 ACRE FARM OR 200 ACRE FARM AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN PHASES.

WE'RE GOING TO START HERE WITH PHASE ONE.

AND THEN AS WE PROGRESS THEY'RE PLANNING AHEAD FOR THAT.

SO THEY DIDN'T WANT TO IMPACT THE EXISTING MINES FOR THEM TO HAVE TO REDESIGN THEIR OPERATION BECAUSE WE'VE NOW IMPOSED NEW REGULATIONS.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE REASONING FOR THAT 200 FOOT SETBACK WAIVER.

BUT RIGHT IN THE CASE OF A NEW OPERATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE REASONING? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

WE LEARN THIS AS THEY COME IN AND EACH CASE IS DIFFERENT.

YEAH. WELL AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M HEARING WRONG, BUT WHEN WHAT'S HIS NAME? SEAN. WHEN HE FIRST STARTED TALKING, HE KIND OF WENT DOWN THIS PATH OF, LIKE, YOU GOT TO GIVE IT TO US ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S A, THIS IS A MINERAL MINE.

AND I'M THINKING, ARE YOU GETTING READY TO TELL US THAT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE, LIKE THE SOLAR PANEL PEOPLE, THEY'RE LIKE, WE GOT APPROVED BY THE STATE.

WE DON'T REALLY. WE'RE JUST HERE FOR SOMETHING TO DO.

AND I THOUGHT HE WAS.

MAYBE I HEARD WRONG, BUT I JUST JUST HIS TONE KIND OF WENT DOWN THIS PATH OF IT'S A WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, A FINITE MATERIAL.

YOU KNOW, THE STATE RULE IS THIS AND THIS AND THIS.

YOU WORKING ON KEEPING YOUR 200 FOOT? I'M COMFORTABLE. YEAH. SO A LOT OF THESE RESTORATIONS SEEM TO HAVE PHASES.

IS THERE ANY REASON WHY IT'S A BIG PROJECT? WHY? HERE YOU GO.

IT'S ALL HERE.

YOU'LL MAKE MY JOB BALANCING THE BUDGET A LOT EASIER.

WELL, AND I TELL YOU, AND THIS IS WHAT.

THIS IS WHAT I SAID ABOUT CAROLINE.

CAROLINE. MATERIALS.

WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY WERE IN HERE WANTING TO NOW WANT TO DO THAT FRONT PART.

AND THAT'S GO WITHIN 75FT.

IF THEY BACK IN THE 70 WHEN THEY GOT THEIR LAST UPGRADE, IF THEY JUST WENT RIGHT TO THE ROAD, WELL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE TWO EIGHT.

THE WELL THE THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S IT'S AN ASSESSMENT.

AS SOON AS YOU TAKE IT OUT OF AN ASSESSMENT AND PUT IT INTO MINING, IT GOES FROM A $500 AN ACRE, GIVE OR TAKE ASSESSMENT TO PROBABLY, LET'S SAY EIGHT.

7 TO 8 TO $9,000 AN ACRE.

SO YOUR TAXES GO UP QUITE A BIT.

SO. BUT BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT'S RIGHT OFF THE BAT AS SOON AS HIS.

WELL THAT'S.

WE GOT TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE ASSESSMENT OFFICE.

THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE I NEED TO.

PUT ON MY LIST BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE REASSESSED UPON ISSUANCE OF THE PERMIT IS WHAT MY OPINION IS.

BUT SOMETIMES THE STATE AND THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL IN I THINK JULY I THINK I'M LOOKING FOR HERE MISS IT UNTIL THREE YEARS LATER THAT WHOLE THING GOES INTO BUSINESS.

NO I AGREE, BUT THAT'S UNTIL THE REASSESSMENT OCCURS.

NOW SEE, WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS THEY KEPT JUST INFORMED YOU THEY DON'T THEY DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AND THE OTHER PART AND WE COULD HAVE HELD HIM TO THE 200 FOOT.

THEY WANT TO GO WITH THE FULL 100 OR 200 ACRE FARM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PREPARE PLANS AND DESIGN ALL THAT.

THE RECLAMATION, ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY US AND MDE.

SO THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO PUT THE MONEY INTO DESIGNING IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER, PAYING FOR THE PERMITS BASED ON THAT ACREAGE THROUGH US AND THROUGH THE STATE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SORT OF BONDING OR ANYTHING MDE MIGHT REQUIRE AND WHETHER THAT NOW IS APPLICABLE.

AND DON'T WE HAVE WE'VE GOT A WHAT DO WE HAVE A $200 AN ACRE FEE OR 100, 100 AN ACRE DISTURBED AREA.

YEAH. SO THAT'S MINING HAUL ROADS.

AND THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHEN THE PERMIT IS ISSUED.

YES. RIGHT. THE ONE TIME YOU PUT THE BATHROOMS IN THAT BUILDING, THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, RIGHT?

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WON'T THAT BE COMMON? COMMERCIAL BUILDING WON'T DOESN'T CONSTITUTE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

SO YOU CAN HAVE A BATHROOM AND USE THAT BIG STRUCTURE.

OKAY, BUT I DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A BATHROOM UNTIL IT'S NOT PERMANENT.

THE PERMIT DID NOT HAVE THAT. IT WAS VERY VAGUE ON WHAT HE WAS.

IT'S NOT LIKE TRAVIS TRAVIS OPENED THAT DOOR.

WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPEN THE DOOR ABOUT THAT BUILDING, IF IT'S CONSIDERED ANOTHER.

HE OPENED A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STRUCTURE AND IT'S LIKE, NO, NO, NO, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO USE THAT FOR? THE FOR THE MINING OPERATION.

NO NO NO. WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A BUILDING AND WORK ON THEM TRUCKS.

I'M SORRY. AND THAT'S WHAT I TELL YOU.

HE CAN'T PUT A COMBINE IN THAT BUILDING.

IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH, BUT IT'S.

IT'S ALL NICE AND FINISH.

IS IT GOING TO BE HE'S? YEAH. DO IT.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

OH! OH.

THE ONLY THING THE CAMERA WASN'T ON.

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. IF WE AIN'T VIDEOTAPING, YOU AIN'T RIGHT, MAN.

DID YOU ALL VOTE FOR IT? DID THE MOTION PASS FOR ADJOURNMENT? YES, THE MOTION PASSED FOR ADJOURNMENT.

EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.