Mar 12, 2025 Planning Commission

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OKAY, LOOK AT THE CROWD HERE AND WE'RE READY TO GO.

[Opening]

WITH US TONIGHT. OLIVIA. I'M GOING TO.

I'M GOING TO MESS IT UP. VEDADO. STAFF IS OUR STAFF MEMBERS.

OLIVIA VEDADO. GENEVA BOWES. CATHERINE MCAULEY.

CRYSTAL AND LESLIE GRUNION. AND OUR ATTORNEY, OUR ESTEEMED ATTORNEY, STUART BARROW.

VICE CHAIRPERSON HANNAH CORLEY, BOARD MEMBER KEITH BILL BRILL, AND MYSELF, JEFF JACKSON.

TWO MEMBERS AREN'T PRESENT TONIGHT, BUT WE STILL HAVE THREE.

THAT GIVES US A QUORUM. SO, THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE DRAFT OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

[Comprehensive Plan Update: Schedule and Outreach]

WE HAD A SCHEDULE THAT DID IT IN THE. IT IS. AND I'M GOING TO GO OVER THAT WITH YOU.

YES. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YEP. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING.

I AM NOT GOING TO READ THIS WORD FOR WORD, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL PORED OVER IT ALREADY AND KNOW EVERY LINE PRACTICALLY.

BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT IT MEANS, IT'S BASICALLY YOUR ROAD MAP TO THEN FORM YOUR ZONING CODE AND DO UPDATES FOR THAT. IT IS REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED EVERY TEN YEARS.

THEY CHANGED IT FROM SIX YEARS TO TEN YEARS BACK IN 2013, AND THE LAST ONE FOR CAROLINE COUNTY WAS DONE IN 2010.

SO, A LITTLE BEHIND. BUT EVERYBODY IS BECAUSE OF COVID AND SHORT STAFF AND MDP, MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING IS AWARE OF EVERYBODY BEING BEHIND AND WORKING ON IT. SO, WE WILL BE OKAY.

AS FAR AS ANYBODY THINKING THIS HAS TO BE FINISHED BY THE END OF 2025, WE'LL BE FINE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE LAND USE ARTICLE ESTABLISHES A FRAMEWORK FOR THE CONTENT OF THE PLAN, AND IT REQUIRES CERTAIN COMPONENTS. SO I HAVE A TABLE ON THE FIRST PAGE THAT SHOWS THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THEN THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE IT SAYS CAROLINE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS THE SECTIONS THAT WILL BE ADDRESSING AND MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

SO PART OF THIS REQUIRES PUBLIC OUTREACH. IT'S ENCOURAGED NOT REALLY REQUIRED, BUT IT IS A VITAL COMPONENT IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THIS.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU WILL ALSO BE UPDATING THE ZONING CODE AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS APPROVED.

BUT IT ALLOWS FOR A TRANSPARENCY BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND THE PUBLIC.

IT PROVIDES A GOOD PLATFORM FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE BUILDERS, BUSINESSES, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS, THEIR CONCERNS, THE THINGS THAT THEY SEE GOING ON OR NOT GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY, AND REGARDING THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A COUNTY WIDE SURVEY THAT WAS LAUNCHED ON THE WEBSITE AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE HAVE THAT DATA. WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IT AND THEN EITHER REISSUING THAT SURVEY OR UPDATING IT BASED ON THE APRIL 30TH PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING THAT WE HAVE, AND DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL, OF COURSE.

SO WITH THIS OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC, WE WILL BE DOING A DESIGNATED EMAIL ADDRESS FOR INQUIRIES FROM THE PUBLIC.

STAFF WILL BE ATTENDING EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITHIN CAROLINE COUNTY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE PROCESS AND TO ALSO OBTAIN FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.

SO WE WILL HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL FLIER THAT WE WILL BE PASSING OUT AT THOSE EVENTS.

THAT INFORMATION, ALONG WITH LINKS TO THE CALVERT COUNTY, I'M SORRY, THE CAROLINE.

HERE WE GO. SORRY, Y'ALL. I'M FROM CALVERT, SO GIVE ME GIVE ME JUST A LITTLE LEEWAY ON THE WORDS HERE.

SO LINK ON THE CAROLINE COUNTY WEB PAGE WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THE SCHEDULES THAT ARE ATTACHED HERE THAT I'LL GO OVER IN A MINUTE.

INFORMATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MEETING DATES AND OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATION, AND WE WILL BE UPDATING THOSE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS ABOUT EVERY 2 TO 3 WEEKS OR AS

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I MET WITH JEN, HELPED ME WITH THE LAST NAME PROBABLY THANK YOU TODAY AND SHE'S GOING TO BE WORKING WITH ME.

SHE'S WONDERFUL. I ALREADY HEARD THAT, AND I KNOW THAT NOW FOR SURE.

WORKING TO GET ALL OF THIS DONE AND SOMETHING PUT OUT BY MARCH 28TH, THE END OF THE MONTH.

SO IF YOU TURN THE PAGE TO THE SCHEDULES, THE FIRST ONE SHOWS AN OUTLINE OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, FOR THE MOST PART THROUGH 2025 AND INTO 2026.

AND IT SHOWS WHAT PORTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU AND WHICH STAFF MEMBER WILL BE DOING IT? WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE FIRST ONES TO BE ONES THAT WILL NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE LEGISLATION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE ALL VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S SPINNING AND COULD REALLY CHANGE WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR WHAT WOULD BE UPDATED, SO NO SENSE IN WORKING ON SOMETHING IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND REWRITE IT AND REWORD IT.

THIS SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ONCE THIS LEGISLATION IS APPROVED.

AND THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT CAN COME ALONG THAT CAN CHANGE THE SCHEDULE.

AS WE ALL LEARNED THIS PAST WINTER WITH SNOW.

AND I PERSONALLY WANT SNOW. SO THAT'S WHY I'M KNOCKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WOOD.

SO WE'LL SEE. BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS AND UPDATE THE SCHEDULE, WE WILL UPDATE IT WITH YOU ALL AND ON ALL THE DIFFERENT PLATFORMS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE POSTED. SO IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT SCHEDULE, WHICH IS DONE IN BLUE, THIS WILL BE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH SCHEDULE.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE MAINLY TRYING TO GO TO DIFFERENT EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND HIT DIFFERENT AREAS GREENSBORO, FEDERALSBURG, RIDGELEY, THE DENTON AREA. AND THERE MAY BE OTHER EVENTS THAT COME UP THAT GET ADDED ON HERE.

I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATES YET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE DATES.

SO AGAIN, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE UPDATE AS WE GO ALONG AND GET MORE INFORMATION.

THE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING ON APRIL 30TH, WHICH WILL BE HELD HERE, THAT WILL BE ADVERTISED ON THE FLIERS THAT GO OUT.

AND I'M HOPING TO ACTUALLY MAYBE DO AN EVENT BEFORE THAT.

I DON'T THINK I CAN HAVE ANYTHING READY BY THIS WEEKEND FOR THERE'S A I THINK THERE'S A 5K THIS WEEKEND OR SOMETHING.

YEAH. AND WE'LL SEE IF I CAN GET SOMETHING OUT.

I CERTAINLY WILL, BUT WHEN WE DO THE FLIERS, WE'RE GOING TO HEAVILY ADVERTISE THIS, AND WE'LL ALSO PUT IT OUT ON THE WEBSITE.

AND THE MAIN GOAL IS JUST TO GET INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK QUESTIONS.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AND THEN CONFER WITH YOU ALL OBVIOUSLY ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BEFORE.

SHOULD WE PUT IT OUT AGAIN? SHOULD WE UPDATE IT SOME? AND WE DO HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THAT WHICH WE CAN DO A SUMMARY.

IT'S IN A REALLY NICE SPREADSHEET RIGHT NOW. AND THERE WAS A PORTION OF THAT THAT ASKED THE QUESTION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ON A COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THIS? SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT INFORMATION TO GET A COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS THAT WANT TO BE PART OF THIS.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL.

INPUT DIRECTION. THIS IS A FAIRLY AMBITIOUS SCHEDULE.

YES. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO FACTOR IN OTHER ITEMS THAT MAY POP UP ON YOUR AGENDA FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

SO WE'LL NUDGE IT AS WE NEED TO THROUGH THE YEAR.

THE GOAL WAS TO TRY AND GET AS CLOSE TO A FULL PLAN DRAFT BY DECEMBER AS POSSIBLE.

BUT AS OLIVIA SAID, MDP ISN'T PUTTING US IN JAIL.

I MEAN, THE GOAL IS TO TRY AND GET IT AS CLOSE TO A FINISHED PRODUCT FOR REVIEW.

NOT FINISHED FINAL, BUT DRAFT REVIEW END OF THE YEAR OR EARLY IN 2026.

AND WE WILL WORK VERY HARD TOWARDS THAT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU PAST EXPERIENCE WORKING ON COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND YOU ALL ARE A SMALLER COUNTY THAN WHAT I'VE WORKED ON PREVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN 2 TO 3 YEARS, SO WE WILL KEEP PLUGGING AWAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO. I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE ROAD RUNNING, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.

Y'ALL RUN AND WE'LL TRY TO KEEP UP. WELL, WITH ME IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HARD I PROMISE.

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DO WE HAVE ANY BIG PROJECTS THIS YEAR THAT YOU FORESEE COMING? YOU KNOW ANOTHER. YOU MEAN DEVELOPMENT? ANOTHER 900 ACRE SOLAR PANEL FARM? OR ARE WE DIGGING ANOTHER HOLE SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING? YOU. YOU'RE ONE MINING THAT'S BEEN BEFORE YOU FOR THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WILL COME BACK AT SOME POINT FOR FINAL.

IT'S ACTUALLY SCHEDULED FOR THE MARCH BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

SO ONCE THEY GET THROUGH THERE, MAKE THEIR REVISIONS AND ARE READY TO SUBMIT FOR FINAL.

THAT WILL BE COMING, PRESUMABLY. MAYBE JUNE, IF THEY'RE READY.

KATHERINE. ANYTHING ELSE BIG THAT'S COMING OUT OF BCA FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WE HAVE TWO COMMUNITY SCALE SOLAR PROJECTS, SO.

SO, THEY'LL BE COMING TO YOU. ONE OF THEM HAVE COME BEFORE BCA YET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT READY YET.

SO, THEY'RE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE PIPELINE THIS YEAR.

MAYBE IF WE CAN GET THEM INTO A FINAL, COMPLETE VERSION THAT'S READY FOR THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO REVIEW, THEN IT WOULD COME TO YOU AFTER THAT. WILL THEY BE DOING ANY LARGE SCALE SOLAR REVIEW OR DOES THAT GET SKIPPED? THAT'S THE ONLY TWO THAT WE HAVE WE KNOW ABOUT OR HAS FILED AT THIS POINT.

SOLAR. SO, THAT'S THE ONLY THINGS THAT JUST LOOKING AHEAD IN THE SPRING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW OF. I MEAN, WE DABBLED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A LITTLE, BUT LIKE, WE WENT OVER THE SURVEY RESULTS, I DON'T THINK.

WERE YOU HERE, I THINK. YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER.

YEAH. OKAY. THERE WASN'T ANYTHING EARTH SHATTERING IN THEM.

NO. AND A LOT OF COMPLAINTS WERE LIKE TOWN TO TOWN VERSUS COUNTY.

SO. YEAH. SO I THINK OLIVIA AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THIS AFTERNOON.

TOO MANY PIZZA PLACES. I KNOW, RIGHT. IF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION PRODUCES SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING A LOT OF COMMENT ABOUT SOLAR AND LAND USE AND FARMING, AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE IMPACT OUR LAND USE AND PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREAS ELEMENTS, CHAPTERS IN THE PLAN. AND PEOPLE ARE COMMENTING A LOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO I, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SEEING WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PUBLIC IS TALKING ABOUT.

AND IF THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC SUBJECTS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN AND CHATTER ABOUT IN THE IN THE COUNTY AREA.

WE MAY DO A LIKE A SECOND SURVEY THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC ON THE LAND USE IMPLICATIONS AND HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT, WHERE OR DON'T WANT WHERE. SO THAT MAY BE LIKE A SUPPLEMENTAL SURVEY THAT WE SEND OUT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE GENERAL, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS A GOOD FEEL FOR THE SOLAR PANEL THING.

YEAH, YEAH. AND NOW THEY'RE SEEING, LIKE, GREENSBORO AND ALL THE CONSTRUCTION.

THEY'RE LIKE, WHOA, WHAT'S GOING ON? YEAH, YEAH, I THINK IS THAT THAT'S FIVE YEARS AGO.

YEAH, YEAH. AND IF YOU READ ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS LIKE, HOW CAN YOU LET THIS HAPPEN? YES. AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER, WHICH IS KIND OF A NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THE COMP PLAN IS, BECAUSE WE SAY HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO DETERMINE YOUR LAND USE DESTINY.

AND THEN NOW WE HAVE TO SAY, EXCEPT IN THESE HUGE PROJECTS THAT WILL ALTER OUR LANDSCAPE FOREVER, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A SAY. SO IT KIND OF NEUTERS THE POWERFUL MESSAGE YOU TRY AND GIVE ABOUT A COMP PLAN AND THE VOICE YOU HAVE IN DETERMINING, YOU KNOW, THE VISION OF YOUR COUNTY. WELL NOT REALLY.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY. MESSAGING IS THE SHORT VERSION IN THAT LEGISLATION.

HAS IT BEEN PASSED YET, OR ARE THEY STILL ARGUING IT THAT THE ONE ABOUT THE ONE THAT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN OVER THERE FOR? IT'S NOT BEEN PASSED. STUART, DO YOU KNOW THE STATUS? I THINK HANNAH'S RIGHT. I DON'T THINK IT'S PASSED YET.

POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS COULD BE ADDED TO IT, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN PASSED.

AND THEN IT STILL HAS TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO SIGNATURE.

SO. YEAH. WHICH IS MAY. WHEN IS SINE SUNNY DAY.

APRIL SOMETHING. APRIL. I WANT TO SAY THE SEVENTH.

IT'S EARLY. OH, HERE WE GO. SO, BILLS, I MEAN, THE.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHEN THE CEREMONIES START.

I WANT TO SAY IT WAS MAY. ANYWAY, WE GOT ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO TO GO, BUT IT WILL BE BEFORE THAT APRIL 30TH MEETING.

SO WE'LL KNOW BY THEN AND BE ABLE TO PRESENT INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE FACTUAL AT THAT POINT.

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IF YOU ALL HAD ANY ADDITIONAL DIRECTION OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER.

AND I'VE ALREADY SAID THE OTHER DAY, HOW LONG DO I GET TO SAY I'M THE NEWBIE? I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, SIX MONTHS? OH, I WAS GOING WITH YEARS.

OH, NO. REMEMBER, WE'RE GOING ON A SPEEDED UP SCHEDULE.

YOU LET US KNOW WHAT YOU NEED. BECAUSE WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL NEW.

I MEAN, AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO THIS VERY OFTEN.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO TELL YOU HOW TO WRITE A COMPLAINT OR WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING, YOU'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BEHIND. YEAH, WELL, IT'S LARGER ISSUES, NOT SO MUCH WRITING IT, BUT THE QUESTION ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. WHERE ARE WE LOOKING? AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE IN EACH OF THE RELEVANT CHAPTERS.

HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN OUR ZONING CODE TO MAYBE MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO GET A FEW MORE HOUSES IN, WHETHER IT'S ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR ALLOWING DUPLEXES OR FOURPLEXES IN MORE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'LL TALK AT THAT LEVEL AS WE'RE IN THOSE, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT OUR OFFER.

WE CONTRIBUTE A LOT. WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO READ HERE.

WELL, WE WILL JUST WALK THROUGH ALL OF THIS TOGETHER THEN, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS. YES. AND I SAY THIS OVER AND OVER.

I'M SURE THAT LESLIE AND CRYSTAL ARE PROBABLY TIRED OF HEARING IT, BUT I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE OVER HERE WORKING WITH YOU ALL.

WE NEVER GET TIRED OF HEARING YOU. GOOD. WELCOME TO PARADISE.

THANK YOU. I'M LIVING IT. HOME OF THE SAND PITS AND SOLAR FARMS. SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE DRAFT LEGISLATION TO AMEND ONE CHAPTER 175 NON ACCESSORY WASTEWATER.

[Draft legislation to amend Chapter 175, Non-Accessory Wastewater Treatment Facilities in the R-Rural Zoning District]

OKAY. SO? SO IN YOUR PACKAGES. I PREPARED A STAFF REPORT.

I WILL NOT READ IT VERBATIM TO YOU. IT'S KIND OF LENGTHY, BUT I WANTED TO COVER ALL THE CONCERNS.

THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE WANTING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REMOVE THE ALLOWANCE OF A NON-ACCESSORY WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY IN THE RURAL DISTRICT ONLY. UNDER THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THE FACILITIES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE PERMITTED IN THE I-2 AND THE MOBILE HOME DISTRICTS.

SO IT'S NOT TAKING IT AWAY ENTIRELY JUST IN THE R RURAL DISTRICT AND ONLY FOR NON-ACCESSORY.

AND I INCLUDED IN THERE THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY IS AND WHAT A NON-ACCESSORY WOULD BE.

AND A NON-ACCESSORY IS A STANDALONE FACILITY WHERE THE USE THAT WOULD GENERATE THE WASTEWATER IS NOT LOCATED ON THE SAME PARCEL THAT THE FACILITY WOULD BE LOCATED ON. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE A STANDALONE FACILITY THAT'S TREATING WASTE OR STORING WASTE THAT'S BROUGHT IN FROM ELSEWHERE.

SO THAT RAISES SOME CONCERNS. PARTICULARLY ONE COULD BE TO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TRUCKLOADS OF SOMETHING COULD BE BROUGHT IN.

WHAT IMPACT THAT COULD HAVE TO THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING THAT AND COSTS OR DAMAGES? THESE FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, THEY COULD CREATE ODORS, NOISE.

YOU DON'T KNOW. AND WITHIN, YOU KNOW, OUR ZONING AND LAND USE REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO PROTECT OUR AG LAND, OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, OUR LANDSCAPES. AND THIS COULD BE SEEN AS AN INTRUSION ON OUR AGRICULTURAL LAND.

AND HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, TO TOURISM, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU'VE GOT THIS LARGE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY THAT'S PRODUCING ODORS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD IMPACT TOURISM IN THAT AREA THAT IT'S LOCATED IN.

SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIST OF SEVERAL OF THOSE CONCERNS THERE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM. BUT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DISCUSS THAT TO THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE R RURAL DISTRICT.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND WE HAD QUITE THE DISCUSSION ON THIS THE OTHER DAY.

SO, IT'S STILL ALLOWED IN I TOO IN MOBILE HOME.

AS WE DO HAVE OUR EYE TO THAT. IF I RECALL FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, THEY'RE SCATTERED.

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RIGHT. I SAY THAT, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE SPOT UP NORTH AND A LITTLE SPOT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YES. WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF I-2 ZONING.

AND AGAIN, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS PARTLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SEWER.

YOU KNOW, TO ACCOMMODATE AN INDUSTRIAL USE, A FACTORY OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE DONE ON A PRIVATE SEPTIC.

AND THAT WOULD NOT PREVENT THEM FROM DOING AN ON SITE FACILITY IN THAT I2 DISTRICT.

AND THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE OPERATIONS ARE ONES THAT MAY GENERATE WASTE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S A STANDALONE FACILITY THAT THE USE IS NOT THERE.

IT'S GENERATING THE WASTE. WELL, YOU'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DOING AWAY WITH BEING ABLE TO HAVE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY AT A BUSINESS. CORRECT. AS LONG AS IT'S THEIR WASTE THAT THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE SAME PARCEL OF LAND IS SIMPLY JUST A FREESTANDING STRUCTURE. AND I WANT TO TRUCK STUFF IN THERE THAT HAS IS NOT PRODUCED ON THAT LAND, THAT PROPERTY. CORRECT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DEFINITIONS, AND IT'S PROBABLY JUST NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED TO MY THICK SKULL DEFINITION. DEFINITION. EXCLUSIONS. THE VERY FIRST ONE.

IF. HOW IS THAT GOING TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT IF YOU DOING AWAY WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? YOU'RE SAYING ONE THING WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON OUR ONES.

RIGHT. EXCEPT SEASONAL LAND APPLICATION SEWAGE SLUDGE.

SO, I CAN STILL HAUL SLUDGE FROM WHEREVER IF I'M GOING TO APPLY IT TO MY LAND.

CORRECT. BUT YOU'RE NOT STORING IT THERE BECAUSE OUR DEFINITION FOR A FACILITY INCLUDES TREATMENT, STORAGE OR DISPOSAL. WELL, BUT WHAT WE DID A WHILE BACK WITH DAD DAVE.

AF THAT RIGHT WAS WE APPROVED STORAGE ON FARMLAND, BUT IT HAD ALL KINDS OF RULES.

YOU KNOW, IT HAD TO BE IN A SEALED CONTAINER. IT HAD TO BE HAD HAD WHEELS OR SOMETHING, 45 DAYS AND 45 DAYS.

AND THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT TREATING THEM SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE SEASONAL LAND.

SO THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS. THAT WOULD ALL FIT.

SO YOU CAN STILL BRING IT BACK TO THE FARM AND LET IT SIT.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE COUNTY LIKE APPROVED ALREADY IN THE RURAL DISTRICT AS FAR AS STANDALONE FACILITIES? I AM NOT SURE IF ALL OF OUR MOBILE HOME PARKS, IF THEY'RE FACILITIES.

I KNOW CAROLINE ACRES HAS A LAGOON. IF IT'S ON THE SAME PARCEL AS THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

CEDARS DOESN'T HAVE CEDARS HAS ONE, RIGHT? ANYBODY? THAT'S. NO. WE DO HAVE ONE LAGOON THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST AS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY THAT WAS PART OF A OPERATION THAT WAS NOT ON THE SAME PROPERTY.

THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. IT'S NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE AND APPROVED BY MDE OR BY THE COUNTY THAT SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION HAS GONE AWAY, THAT OPERATION HAS STOPPED, AND THAT PARTICULAR WASTE WAS HANDLED THROUGH UNDERGROUND PIPING DIRECTLY FROM THE FACILITY BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE SAME PROPERTY OR DIRECTLY ADJACENT, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO TRANSPORT IT THROUGH UNDERGROUND PIPING.

BUT THAT USE IS NO LONGER VALID. THE OPERATIONS CLOSED WELL, UNDER OUR CURRENT RULES, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT PROPERTY COULD SAY, HEY, I WANT TO START STORING HERE AGAIN. AND IT'S AN APPROVED STORAGE.

IT'S NOT APPROVED AT NOW. YOU'D HAVE TO GET THAT APPROVED.

YEAH, THEY FORFEITED IT BASICALLY WHEN THEY WENT WHEN THEY CLOSED OPERATION.

SO YEAH, AT THE TIME THAT THE OPERATION WOULD CLOSE, THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTIONS NO LONGER VALID, THAT WAS GRANTED. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN OUR CODE THAT YOU CAN DO THIS IN A RURAL DISTRICT SUBJECT TO A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. AND YOU COULD STILL DO THAT. YES. OR APPLY FOR THAT? YES. ONE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING WASTEWATER TRUCKED IN FROM OFF SITE IS THAT OFF SITE COULD BE ANOTHER STATE, AND THE COUNTY HAS NO IDEA WHAT I MEAN.

TRUTHFULLY GENERATED THAT WASTEWATER. WHAT'S IN THAT WASTEWATER? WHAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THAT WASTEWATER WITHOUT SOME SORT OF A MECHANISM TO ENTER ONTO THE PROPERTY AND DO CHEMICAL TESTING.

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SO, WE'RE ALLOWING IT TO BE USED FOR BUSINESS, BUT NOT AS A BUSINESS.

WELL, NOT A STANDALONE, NOT AS A STANDALONE. HOWEVER, YOU DO HAVE THERE ARE PLACES IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE DUMPING STATIONS THAT HAVE WASTE THAT'S DUMPED FROM DIFFERENT AREAS TO THE SEPTIC PUMP OUT TRUCKS GO TO THESE PLACES, THESE AND SOMETIMES HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH THESE TOWNS TO PULL IN THERE.

AND THEY DON'T GO TO THEIR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. CORRECT.

TO. YEAH. SO, IT'S BROUGHT FROM YOU KNOW. RIGHT.

BUT. AND THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT ANYTHING GOING ON IN THE TOWN, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE MUNICIPAL LIMITS.

THIS IS TRYING TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM STARTING UP A WASTEWATER SERVICE.

SO, I THINK THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, WE BEAT THE HORSE PRETTY HARD.

BUT IF, IF WE EVER GOT INTO A SITUATION WHERE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR WANTED TO COME IN AND BUILD A WASTEWATER FACILITY. TO TAKE ON AN ADJACENT PROPERTY FOR A DEVELOPMENT, HOW IS THAT STILL? COULD THEY GO TO THE BZA FOR SPECIAL APPEALS, TO STILL POTENTIALLY BUILD A STRUCTURE LIKE THAT? OR ARE WE JUST SAYING, OR WOULD THEY NEVER HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY? IF I READ HER EMAIL RIGHT. NO, NO, NO. NOR DO WE HAVE THE ZONING TO SUPPORT A MAJOR SUBDIVISION WHERE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED, THAT KIND OF SEWER TREATMENT WOULD BE NEEDED.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING? DID ALL OF OUR R-1 ZONING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED? DEVELOPED? AND THEN THE SEPTIC TEARS THAT WERE DELINEATED BACK IN 2012.

LIMIT DEVELOPMENT ON SEWER OR SEPTIC TO CERTAIN AREAS IN THE COUNTY.

TEAR MAPS. THE ONLY AND THEN THE WHOLE FACT OF A DEVELOPER NEEDING A SHARED SYSTEM APPROVAL TO SERVE THEM BECAUSE YOU, YOU WOULD BE ONE SYSTEM SERVING TWO OR MORE PROPERTIES.

AND THAT REQUIRES THAT WAS ACTUALLY PASSED IN THE SAME BILL AS THE SEPTIC TEARS IN 2012.

THE COUNTY TO STAND UP A CONTROLLING AUTHORITY AND MANAGE SHARED SYSTEMS. WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AND DON'T PLAN TO. I MEAN, THAT MAY BE A DISCUSSION.

NOT SAYING THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, BUT THEY COULD CONTRACT IT OUT.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HIRE SOMEBODY TO MANAGE YOUR BUSINESS.

COMING IN AND SAYING, HEY, I'M THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT BUSINESS.

THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITIONS, IT HAS TO BE A COUNTY, NOT A COUNTY, BUT A GOVERNMENT. THEY HAVE TO BE THE CONTROLLING.

THEY HAVE TO BE THE CONTROLLING AUTHORITY. RIGHT.

HENCE ALL THESE TOWNS THAT THEY'RE THE CONTROLLING AUTHORITY, BUT THEY CONTRACT WITH EVERYBODY. SO AT SOME POINT THE COUNTY MAY DOWN THE ROAD OR WHATEVER, DECIDE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM DOING.

AND RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF OUR COUNTY IS ZONED OUR RURAL AND YOU'RE LIMITED.

YOU CANNOT DO A MAJOR SUBDIVISION ANY LONGER IN THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AND WE'RE ALL AWARE OF SOME THAT WERE DONE IN YEARS PAST BEFORE LEGISLATION HAS CHANGED.

YOU SEE A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, RURAL SUBDIVISIONS OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S NO LONGER ALLOWED.

SO YOU'RE CAPPED OUT AT YOUR THREE NEW MINOR DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.

AND AT THE MOST, IF YOU'VE GOT A LARGE ENOUGH PIECE, YOU CAN GET A FOURTH LOT, BUT THEY WOULD ALL BE ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL SEPTICS AND NOT HAVE A NEED FOR A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO COME IN AND SAY, I HAVE A TEN ACRE PIECE OUT HERE, AND IF I DO THIS, I COULD PUT, I DON'T KNOW, 200 TOWNHOMES ON IT OR SOMETHING.

AND WE'RE JUST BASICALLY SAYING, BUT THE GUY NEXT DOOR OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS NOT WILLING TO SELL, BUT I'LL BUILD A I'LL BUILD A WASTEWATER PLANT AND TAKE ALL THAT WASTEWATER, TREAT IT SO THAT IT MEETS THE COUNTY'S STANDARDS OR THE GOVERNMENT STANDARDS.

WE'RE JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW OUR ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGS DO NOT ALLOW FOR THAT.

SO IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOUSING AND THE WATER RESOURCES ELEMENT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING THOSE KIND OF

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YEAH. BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY'RE BEATING US UP OVER AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE'S NOTHING AFFORDABLE IN THERE. THERE'S NOTHING AFFORDABLE ANYWHERE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. AND WE'RE STILL UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO SEPTICS AND SHARED SEPTIC SYSTEMS WOULD REQUIRE A CONTROLLING AUTHORITY IN A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND A TREATMENT PLANT.

RIGHT. BUT EITHER YOU CAN HAVE A SHARED SEPTIC OR A SHARED SYSTEM.

BOTH REQUIRE A CONTROLLING AUTHORITY FOR THE LOCAL JURISDICTION.

AND I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TAKING IT OUT OF THE I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST WE'RE NOT ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO.

WE'RE NOT ALREADY DOING IT. AND AS TIMES CHANGE AS THEY DO, YOU KNOW THAT DOWN THE ROAD ANOTHER AMENDMENT COULD COME BACK. IF, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING CHANGES AND WE'LL CHANGE.

WELL, THAT'S ODD TOO. YEAH. WELL, WE'LL CHANGE SOME FORMS WITH AI, TOO.

AND THEY'LL BUILD A FACTORY AND WE'LL BE MAKING PAINT.

IT'S BETTER THAN SOLAR, I MEAN. WELL, YEAH, AND I AGREE.

I WISH WE COULD HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE'D GO, HEY, COOL THIS COLOR.

SO, I MEAN, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, I MEAN, THEY BROUGHT UP IN HER STAFF REPORT IN CRYSTAL STAFF REPORT, ALL THE I MEAN, THE STUFF THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

THE BIGGEST THING IS, AND I THINK WE'VE HAD OUR SHARE OF THAT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DECIDED THEY WANT TO COME TO CAROLINE COUNTY AND SET UP SHOP. BRING THEIR STUFF WITH THEM AND WE BECOME A DUMPING GROUND.

AND THESE ARE JUST. AND AS STUFF HAPPENS, WE'RE PATCHING THESE HOLES THAT WE'RE FINDING.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER PATCH TO FIX A HOLE LITERALLY.

SO, AND IT IS, WE GOT WE'LL BE RUNNING TRUCKS UP AND DOWN FROM GOD KNOWS WHERE WITH GOD KNOWS WHAT ON OUR BACK ROADS THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO FIX. SO, AND THEN WE'VE HAD THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND SAFETY.

WE'VE HAD THAT. WE'VE HAD THAT ARGUMENT ALREADY WITH STAFF AND STUFF JUST SITTING AROUND.

SO I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MAKING A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION IF.

TO REMOVE THE WITH THE NON-ACCESSORY WASTEWATER FROM THE OVERALL ZONING DISTRICT.

IF Y'ALL DON'T, WE CAN. NO, I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER.

AND EVERY ONE OF THESE POINTS, I THINK TRANSPORTING OF IT IS THE KEY ISSUE.

YES. I MEAN, WHEN IT'S ON THE SAME LAND, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. SO.

IF I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION.

GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS? YEAH. GOOD TO GO. WE BEAT THAT UP.

WE DID UP LAST WEEK. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT REMOVES NON ACCESSORY WASTEWATER FROM THE R RURAL TRAINING DISTRICT.

WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? JUST NOBODY. SO, WOULD YOU TAKE CARE OF RECOMMENDING THAT TO THE COUNCIL? YES. WE WILL SEND A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. THE NEXT ONE, AND I THINK THIS IS IN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION HERE,

[Draft legislation to amend Chapter 175-171, terms and reappointments for Board of Zoning Appeals members]

AND THAT'S COMING TO US FOR A RECOMMENDATION.

YES, BUT AND CRYSTAL CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE HAVING AND WHAT I ALSO BROUGHT UP WAS, I MEAN, WE ONLY WE CAN ONLY SERVE ON THIS BOARD.

YOU CAN ONLY SERVE TWO FIVE YEAR. I THINK IT'S TWO FIVE YEAR TERMS. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BE DONE. BUT WHAT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE AND THEY CAN'T FIND.

WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO. BUT WHAT IF YOU DON'T? WHAT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SO. WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.

AND WE ALL KNOW HOW WE STRUGGLE TO GET VOLUNTEERS TO SIT UP HERE.

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AND SO THIS IS SORT OF ZONING APPEALS, AND I THINK THEY'RE THREE YEARS, RIGHT? YES. THEY'RE THREE, THREE, FIVE. THEY'RE THREE YEARS.

WHY IS IT THREE? I HAVE NO IDEA. THREE. THREE YEAR TERMS AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS TWO FIVE YEAR TERMS. AND IF THE ZONING APPEALS HOW THEY GOT APPOINTED.

BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY'S UP AND IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WIPE OUT THE ZONING APPEALS BOARD LIKE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. AND I THINK YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF WHAT TRIGGERED THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TERM LIMITS IS WE FIND IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO FIND MEMBERS WHO HAVE THE TIME AND ARE WILLING TO SERVE ON BOARDS, PARTICULARLY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF, YOU KNOW, THEM TRYING TO LEARN A LOT OF COMPLEX REGULATIONS, THE ZONING LAW, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE COMP PLAN, ALL THE THINGS AND DUTIES THAT YOU'RE CHARGED WITH TO DO.

AND YOU FEEL LIKE BY THE TIME YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THAT ROLE, IT'S TIME TO GO.

YOU'RE TERMED OUT. SO, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS YEAR, ALL THREE OF OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEMBERS ARE TERMING OUT, NOT EXACTLY AT THE SAME TIME, BUT ALL WITHIN THE SAME YEAR, WHERE WE'RE FACING A BRAND NEW BOARD THAT HAS TO LEARN ALL THE THINGS.

AND IT TAKES TIME. IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO LEARN THAT AND FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THAT ROLE.

WHEN YOU'RE CHARGED WITH MAKING THOSE DECISIONS TO APPROVE AND DENY THINGS BASED ON OUR ZONING CODE.

SO WE FEEL THAT IF YOU KNOW A PERSON IS SERVING, THEY'RE DOING IT WELL, THEY'RE WILLING TO STAY.

WHY DO THEY NEED TO GO? AND IT WOULD STILL BE IN TERMS IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST, YOU'RE APPOINTED INDEFINITELY.

IT WOULD STILL IT WOULD STILL CARRY THE THREE YEAR TERM AND DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAID I'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR ONE MORE TERM, OKAY, YOU GET APPOINTED FOR THREE, THREE MORE YEARS AND YOU FIND IT YEAR TWO, I DON'T THINK I CAN FINISH OUT AND I WANT TO STEP DOWN.

THAT'S FINE. BUT IF AT THE END OF THE THREE YEAR TERM YOU'RE WILLING TO STAY ON AGAIN, THEN THERE'S NO PROBLEMS, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND IF YOU KNOW THE THOUGHTS ARE THAT THE SAME THINGS AND ISSUES ARE COMING UP WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS NOT ONLY SEEK A CHANGE TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, BUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T STOP.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THE COMMISSIONERS CAN'T SAY, YOU GOT TO GO.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER BOARD TERMS? SO OUR CONSTRUCTION TRADES BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY TERM LIMITS.

WHAT ABOUT BURIAL SITES? ADVISORY BOARD? DO THEY HAVE TERM LIMITS? I DON'T THINK SO. I BELIEVE THEY DO. OKAY. THEY'RE REAL QUIET, BUT THAT'S A BUSY ONE.

NORTH COUNTY WATER AND SEWER IS THREE YEAR TERMS. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT TERMS LIKE LIMIT ONCE YOU'VE SERVED.

NO. NO TERM LIMITS. RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT REC AND PARKS BOARD? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THERE IS. IS I2 CHANGE IT TO FIVE.

I MEAN, AT LEAST YOU WERE FIVE. I THINK THEY JUST WANT TO TAKE THE WORD OF.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S FINE. WHETHER IT'S THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS.

IT'S THE. THE CONSTRAINT IS THE FACT THAT ONCE THEY'VE TERMED OUT AT THE END OF THREE, THREE YEAR TERMS, THAT'S IT. YOU GOT TO COME OFF BEFORE I THINK IT'S COME OFF FOR TWO YEARS OR.

YEAH. BEFORE YOU COULD BE COME BACK ON. AND IF THERE'S ALL OF A SUDDEN, A BIG BURST OF PEOPLE WANTING TO GET ON THE BOARD, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY STAY ON.

BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS THERE'S VERY FEW. AND AGAIN, WILLING TO SERVE, YOU'RE WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN.

AND THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE. THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL CONSIDER ALL AND MAYBE THEY DECIDE, OKAY, YOU'VE SAT LONG ENOUGH. WE WANT A NEW FACE.

RIGHT. SO, WE'RE. AT A POINT OF REFERENCE, THE, THE VERSION OF THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY ORDINANCE, WHICH IS GOING TO SUPERSEDE THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTIONS FROM 2022.

WE ARE ABOLISHING TERM LIMITS FOR THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGING COMMITTEE BECAUSE OF THIS EXACT PROBLEM, WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE, GETTING PEOPLE TO WANT TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS.

AND NUMBER TWO IS THE TRAINING THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH.

SO WE HAVE FOUND THAT HAVING THESE TERM LIMITS IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY.

IT MAKES THE COUNTY TRY TO FIND MORE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND ALSO TRAIN THEM, WHICH DOES COST MONEY.

AND IT ALSO TAKES A GREAT DEAL OF TIME OUT OF THEIR LIVES TO GO THROUGH THE TRAINING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THOSE TWO PARTICULAR BOARDS.

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SO I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. I MEAN, I MEAN WITH US FOR, FOR TONIGHT IS THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

MY QUESTION IS, WELL, IF YOU CAN ALSO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.

BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE ALSO WHEN THEY WHEN WE DO THIS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THAT THEY JUST REMOVE TERM LIMITS? I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M NOT SAYING YOU GOT TO BE HERE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

RIHANNA. BUT, YOU KNOW, A GOOD 15 WILL DO. ALL RIGHT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU AND I HAVE BEEN HERE THREE YEARS, AND I CAN'T SAY I HAVE A FULL HANDLE ON EVERYTHING HERE.

LIKE, WE'RE STILL LEARNING TO LIKE AND WITH AWS, WHEN WE STARTED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE JUST DROPPING OFF THIS BOARD.

THEY WERE TURNING OUT. AND WE HAD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ONE THAT LEFT AND BUT EVERYBODY ELSE TURNED OUT RIGHT.

AND IT WAS RIGHT. AND IT WAS RIGHT BACK TO BACK.

NOBODY COULD STAY. AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTED TO STAY.

NO. BUT IT'S, IT'S ODD THAT YOU ARE LIMITED TO ESSENTIALLY NINE YEARS AND COMP PLAN CYCLES ARE EVERY TEN YEARS.

SO. WELL, NO THEIRS IS TEN. THEIRS IS TWO FIVE YEARS.

SO THEIRS ENDS UP BEING TEN. BUT YOU'RE KIND OF BREAKING AT THE POINT WHERE YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE IN A COMP PLAN UPDATE ISN'T GOING TO HELP US BECAUSE YOU'RE GONE.

SO THE THING IS, THE THING IS, WITH THIS COMP PLAN THAT WE'RE JUST STARTING NOW, WE'VE ONLY BEEN UP HERE ABOUT TWO, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BY THE TIME IT ROLLS AROUND TO DO THE COMP PLAN AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEAT SOMEBODY ELSE AND START THEM ALL OVER, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.

SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE TWO COMP PLAN CYCLES WITH MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT.

YES. YEAH. TO GIVE SOME INSIGHT AND REZONING AS WELL.

AND THEN THE REZONING RIGHT ON THE HEELS OF IT, WHICH IS EVEN MORE GRUELING THAN A COMP.

KEEP THE HEAT IN ON THE. LAST 1010. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN I DON'T KNOW, KEITH WAS NOT PART OF THAT. NO, KEITH WAS NOT. NO, IT WAS JIM LEWIS, JOHN SCHMIDT.

RIGHT.

I KNOW HE WAS ON BCA. HE WAS BCA. I DON'T THINK KEITH WAS PART OF IT.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.

AND I DON'T MEAN WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT RECOMMENDING TO.

THEY JUST. THEY JUST TAKE IT OUT OF THIS ONE.

JUST BOARD TO JUST TAKE IT OFF. LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T STOP.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THE COMMISSIONERS CAN'T PUT YOU OFF. WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THEM THE SAME? SO YOU HAVE SOME CONTINUITY.

YOU MEAN THE TERM LENGTH? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DO FIVE AND THREE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO COME UP WITH THAT. IT'S STUART.

IS THAT SOMETHING IN A CHARTER DOCUMENT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO HAVE FIVE YEAR TERMS. AND THE BCA IS THREE. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I MEAN IS IT JUST AN ARBITRARY.

IS IT HARD TO SWITCH A PLANNING COMMISSION TERM TO MATCH WHICH WOULD YOU SAY LENGTHENED BCA OR SHORTENED PLANNING PERMISSION.

CLINTON LENGTHENED A THAT'S JUST A I MEAN, WELL, THAT'S MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WITH WHAT SOME PEOPLE I THINK THE FEAR IS THAT IF YOU MAKE A BIG COMMITMENT, IF YOU MAKE IT A FIVE YEAR TERM OR LET'S JUST SAY TEN YEAR TERM, THEY GO, I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT. NO. YEAH. SO THREE YEARS IS A BITE YOU CAN TAKE.

AND YEAH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO THE OTHER WAY AND HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION BE THREE AND THEN JUST TAKE OFF THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT YOU CAN SERVE.

I MEAN I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR HERE. YEAH. OR LEAVE THEM ALONE.

FIVE AND THREE. YEAH. WELL, OUR TIME IS UP. YEAH.

WE PUT IN OUR THREE. NO. NO, I DON'T, I MEAN WHY NOT MAKE THEM THE SAME.

BUT FOR TONIGHT I'M FINE WITH TAKING THE TERM LIMITS OFF.

BUT IF YOU ALSO WANT TO, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER PLANNING COMMISSION, WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION. SO ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? NO. ONE OF THE THINGS, TOO, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT YOU WERE GOING TO AND HOW DOES THAT WORK.

THAT STAGGERED STAGGERING. YEAH, THAT WAS THE STEWART.

THE DISCUSSION WE HAD IS WITH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TERMS ENDING ALL IN THE SAME YEAR,

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AND I KNOW WHEN YEARS AGO, WHEN WE REVIVED THE BOARD OF ELECTRICAL EXAMINERS AGAIN, IT WAS PROBLEMS GETTING BOARD MEMBERS.

WHEN WE CREATED AND REVISED THE BOARD, WE ACTUALLY PUT IN THERE THAT IT WOULD BE STAGGERED TERMS AND THAT THE APPOINTMENTS, THE ORIGINAL APPOINTMENTS WOULD BE SOMEBODY GETS ONE YEAR TERM, SOMEBODY GETS A TWO YEAR TERM, SOMEBODY GETS A THREE YEAR TERM. IN THAT WAY, WE WOULD ONLY HAVE ANY TRANSITION OF ONE AT A TIME.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID WHEN WE SET UP ORIGINALLY THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGING COMMITTEE.

BUT I THINK OVER TIME, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY WITH BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, BUT AS YOU KNOW, IT TOOK TIME TO FIND SOMEONE. AND THEN IT WAS BASED ON THE APPOINTMENT DATE.

WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WHERE NOW EVERYBODY'S FALLING IN THE SAME YEAR, CAUGHT UP.

YEAH. YOU HAVE THE DIFFICULTY SOMETIMES OF A MEMBER NOT FINISHING THEIR DESIGNATED TERM.

THEY EITHER BECOME DISABLED OR DIE OR RESIGN.

AND SO YOU'RE FILLING YOU'RE APPOINTING SOMEBODY FOR A THREE YEAR TERM, BUT IT'S NOT AS STAGGERED AS IT WAS WHEN YOU STARTED BECAUSE THIS IS AN INTERRUPTED TERM. SO, THEN YOU HAVE THE DECISION TO MAKE WHETHER SOMEONE WHO IS APPOINTED TO FILL OUT A TERM OF A PERSON WHO'S JUST LEFT, WHICH COULD BE THREE MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS, AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE REAPPOINTED FOR THE FULL THREE YEARS.

SO YOU HAVE TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO SAY NO, EVERYBODY WHO GETS APPOINTED GETS THREE YEARS STARTING FROM THE DATE OF YOUR APPOINTMENT, WHICH COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL STAGGERED TERM AND THEN RUN INTO THE POTENTIALLY RUN INTO WHAT'S EXACTLY, EXACTLY. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT'S PROBABLY HOW IT HAPPENED.

WE PROBABLY WERE MORE STAGGERED IN THE PAST. BUT IF YOU IF YOU TAKE OUT THE WORDING FOR TERM LIMITS, ACTUALLY. YOU COULD WORK WITH YOUR BOARD MEMBERS.

YEAH. WE HAVE TO CREATE A STAGGER OF THE THREE THAT ARE TERMED OUT THIS YEAR, ONES NOT WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN THAT THEY'VE SERVED NINE YEARS, BUT THE OTHER TWO SAID WE'D CONSIDER THREE.

WE MAY END UP SAYING WE'RE DONE AT TWO, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE ON ANOTHER THREE YEAR TERM.

AND YOU COULD AND YOU COULD GO TO THEM TO, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN HANDLE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY AND SAY, HEY, WOULD YOU DO ONE? JUST GET COMMIT TO ONE AND WOULD YOU COMMIT THE TWO? AND THEN AND THEN YOU COULD. SO CAN THE COMMISSIONERS DO THAT WHEN THEY MAKE A, YOU KNOW, AN APPOINTMENT. NO, THE APPOINTMENT WOULD BE IT WOULD SAY FOR THREE YEARS.

BUT YOU'VE GOT THIS SORT OF BACK DOOR UNDERSTANDING HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT, AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE TERM LIMIT THAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO. AND YOU GOT YOU GOT SOME PEOPLE I MEAN IT HAPPENS SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO, HEY, CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER YEAR WHILE WE FIND SOMEBODY? AND THEY GO, ALL RIGHT, WE, I THINK THAT WITH JOHN SCHMIDT, BECAUSE WE HAD NOBODY COMING IN AND HE AGREED TO GO AN EXTRA YEAR WHILE WE LOOKED, I MEAN, OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS CHAIRMAN HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY NINTH YEAR AND I FEEL LIKE IT WAS THIS LAST TERM WHERE I FINALLY FEEL REALLY COMFORTABLE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND IT'S TIME FOR ME TO GO.

WELL, WE CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE. HE CAN STAY RIGHT ON.

SO WE'LL RECOMMEND. SO.

OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M DONE. YOU'RE DONE. I'M DONE THIS TIME.

OKAY. YOU'RE DONE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, MAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT IN REGARD TO.

GOSH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO CALL IT. YEAH, I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT IN REGARD TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, CHAPTER 175.

WHAT? 171. THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ELIMINATE TERM LIMITS.

THE TERM LIMITS FOR THE BOARD OF ZONING AND APPEALS, AND TO CONSIDER ELIMINATING TERM LIMITS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ALSO. OKAY. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

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THAT'S IT. STAFF REPORT. LET ME GET BACK TO THE AGENDA HERE.

EASY TO UPDATE, I DON'T THINK. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING?

[BZA Update]

THERE IS A MEETING NEXT WEEK, SO I WILL HAVE A FULLER REPORT IN APRIL.

WHAT DAY IS THEIR MEETING? THE 18TH. TUESDAY NIGHT.

THURSDAY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOUR APRIL PLANNING COMMISSION? YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BGA. YEAH. THE 18TH HERE.

DOES IT MEET OVER HERE? YES. WHAT TIME? STARTING AT 6:00.

THE. THE GRAVEL PIT WILL BE THE SECOND CASE. THE FIRST CASE WILL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE SHORTER THAN THE GRAVEL PIT.

THAT'S THE FIRST CASE. THE COMMERCIAL STABLE.

NO. NO. LOSE. AUTO. OH, YES. THAT'S A DRAPER'S MILL ROAD.

THE SALVAGE YARD ON DRAPER'S MILL ROAD. THEY HAD THE FIRE OF THEIR POLE BUILDING.

AND BECAUSE THAT'S A NONCONFORMING USE, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO REPLACE IT, THEY NEED A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION TO REPLACE THE BUILDING THAT WAS DESTROYED BY THE FIRE.

OKAY. WHY? IT WAS ALREADY THERE, AND THEY WERE USING IT.

SO, IT WAS A LEGAL, NONCONFORMING USE. IT WAS ILLEGAL.

IT WAS LEGAL. NONCONFORMING. OKAY. AND THE REASON IT WAS NONCONFORMING IS BECAUSE IT WAS ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO ZONING IN A ZONING DISTRICT, THAT TODAY WE WOULD NOT ALLOW A SALVAGE YARD.

SALVAGE YARDS ARE ONLY PERMITTED IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT THIS WAS A SALVAGE YARD THAT WAS ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO ZONING.

THEREFORE, IT'S LEGALLY NONCONFORMING. AND IN THE ZONING REGULATIONS UNDER THE NONCONFORMING SECTION, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF AT SUCH TIME A NON-CONFORMING USE GOES AWAY, OR A STRUCTURE IS DESTROYED OR DAMAGED BY MORE THAN 50%.

YOU'RE NOT TO REPLACE IT EXCEPT FOR IN CONFORMANCE WITH A CHAPTER, BUT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS CAN GRANT A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION.

I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, NON-CONFORMING USES ARE NOT ENCOURAGED TO SURVIVE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AS THE USE GOES AWAY, YOU CONTINUE TO REMAIN UNTIL YOU'RE GONE.

BUT AT THAT TIME, YOU DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT TO STAY.

BUT THE PROVISION IS THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO HARM A BUSINESS THAT HAD A FIRE.

YOU KNOW THAT IT WASN'T JUST WE DECIDED TO CLOSE UP SHOP.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONE NOW, AND THE NEXT PERSON WANTS TO COME BACK IN, RIGHT.

SO, IT ALLOWS THAT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT MAY OCCUR.

OKAY. THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE GRAVEL PIT.

THE GRAVEL CAR. GRAVEL PIT? YES. CRYSTAL. I CHECKED WHILE WE WERE.

DISCUSSING THE WEATHER. THERE WAS A CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR THE LENGTH OF THE TERMS OF BZA.

WELL, IT TURNS OUT IN THE LAND USE ARTICLE, THE THREE YEARS AND FIVE YEARS ARE ESTABLISHED THERE BY THE STATUTE.

OKAY. WELL, THAT EXPLAINS IT. THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM. IT WASN'T ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.

THEY MEANT TO DO IT. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE BZA GRINDS PEOPLE DOWN FASTER THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION? PROBABLY. PROBABLY BECAUSE BZA IS QUASI-JUDICIAL.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M GUESSING THEY'RE THE ONES THAT EVERYBODY'S COMING AND ASKING FOR PERMISSION.

SERIOUS STUFF TO DO SERIOUS STUFF. AND THEY'VE GOT TO BE THE GUYS UP THERE TO GO.

NO, I'M SORRY YOUR BUILDING BURNED DOWN. YOU'RE NOT GETTING A NEW ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. OR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS HERE IN OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY IS WANTING TO DO.

SO, IT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER, BUT GOOD. GOOD THOUGHT.

HANNAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

SO THAT'S BGA, RIGHT? IS THAT IT OR ANYTHING ELSE? OPEN DISCUSSION IS THE LAST. OH. AND DEPARTMENT.

YEAH. DEPARTMENT. YEAH. I'M JUST. ARE YOU DONE?

[Department Update]

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HANNAH, YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN SHE WAS INTRODUCED LAST MONTH. LAST MONTH? YEAH. AND THEN GENEVA JUST STARTED WITH US LAST WEEK AND EVEN A WEEK OLD.

AND SHE'S A BOARD ADMINISTRATOR ALONG WITH CATHERINE.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE HANDLING THE LIQUOR BOARD, THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES BOARD.

AND SHE WILL BE TAKING OVER FOR PLANNING COMMISSION FROM CATHERINE.

AND CATHERINE IS GOING TO BE TAKING ON THE MOUTH PROGRAM.

OH, OKAY. SO, WE DID SOME CHANGES WITH OUR NEW STAFF.

AND THEN AS I TOLD YOU, IN ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, OUR PERMIT TECHS STARTED AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, AND THAT'S COMING ALONG NICELY. AND HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE OUR CLASS SPEC APPROVED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE GIS PLANNER, AND WE CAN START ADVERTISING FOR THAT. AND ONCE WE FILL THAT, WE'LL BE BACK TO FULLY STAFFED.

SO THAT'S EXCITING. THE LIQUOR BOARD IS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THEIR ANNUAL LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS FOR THAT WILL CARRY THROUGH MARCH AND APRIL, AND EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THEIR NEW LICENSES IN HAND AND BE THROUGH THE PROCESS BEGINNING MAY 1ST.

WE HAVE THE CRITICAL AREA ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL BE WORKING ON.

WE'RE GETTING THE PUSH FROM THE STATE TO GET THAT ADOPTED BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR 1990 ORDINANCE THAT'S NOT CODIFIED AND PRETTY MUCH GET IT DONE OR THIS IS GOING TO START IMPACTING YOUR GROWTH ALLOCATION AND OTHER THINGS.

SO WE'LL BE STARTING THAT WORK ALONGSIDE THE COMP PLAN AND ADOPTING THE CRITICAL AREA ORDINANCE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MAINLY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S IN THE STATE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT WE CAN AMEND AND, AND CHANGE.

THE FEW THAT ARE THERE, SOLAR AND SOLAR IS ONE OF THEM.

I MEAN, THE CRITICAL AREA LAW IS GOING TO ALLOW FOR SOLAR IN THE RCA ZONING DISTRICT.

WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO AMEND THAT. AND A FEW OTHER AREAS IN THE CRITICAL AREA ORDINANCE WHERE WE CAN AMEND.

SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT THIS YEAR. WHAT ELSE WE GOT GOING ON? ANYTHING ELSE? COMP PLAN? YEAH, THE COMP PLAN.

FINALLY. THAT LITTLE DETAIL. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. YOU ALL GOT ANYTHING? NO. WELL, ONE QUESTION.

[Planning Commissioners Open Discussion]

EVERYBODY GOT THEIR PERMITS UP NORTH. NO. OR DID THEY NEED TO BE? NO. CALLED TO THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE OR. THEY'RE AT THEIR FINAL.

THEY WERE READY TO BE ISSUED THE PERMIT FOR THE SOLAR FACILITY.

THEN THEY PUT THE OFFICE STRUCTURES OUT THERE WITHOUT PERMITS.

SO NOW THEY HAVE TO REMEDY THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO ISSUE THE BUILDING PERMIT.

SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REMEDYING THAT. AND WE GOT NOBODY ELSE BEING THE BAD GUY.

NO. THAT'S NICE. GOOD. GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NO. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND.

[Adjournment]

WE HAVE A SECOND. AND WE APPARENTLY HAVE A VOTE.

SO IF NOBODY'S GOT ANYTHING ELSE, WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.