Mar 18, 2025 Board of Zoning Appeals

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR MARCH 18TH.

[Opening]

AND WITH ME IS PATRICK THOMAS, OUR ATTORNEY AND THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW, MATT KACZYNSKI, THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR. CATHERINE MCCULLEY, VICE CHAIR BEN BUTLER AND MEMBER MIKE MAN.

SO TONIGHT, IT IS THE DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO HEAR AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR APPLICATIONS MADE FOR VARIANCES, SPECIAL USE, EXCEPTIONS, EXEMPTIONS, SORRY, AND APPEALS.

FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE AFTER TAKING THE OATH.

THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM PROPONENTS FOLLOWED BY OPPONENTS AFTER THE OATH HAS BEEN TAKEN.

NAMES AND ADDRESSES HAVE BEEN STATED FOR THE RECORD, SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO THAT.

ONCE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN HEARD AND ALL QUESTIONS ANSWERED, THE APPLICANT MAY DELIVER A CLOSING STATEMENT BEFORE THE BOARD BEGINS DELIBERATION.

DURING THIS TIME, NO ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE MAY SPEAK UNLESS THE BOARD NEEDS CLARIFICATION.

EVERY EFFORT IS MADE TO REACH A DECISION. THE NIGHT OF THE TESTIMONY IS HEARD.

HOWEVER, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT POSSIBLE AND A CONTINUANCE MAY BE GRANTED.

AT THIS TIME I WILL HAVE. I WILL READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE OF NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING INTO RECORD FOR OUR FIRST CASE AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE MATT DO THE EXHIBITS. SO BEAR WITH ME. THE. TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM BIG LOU'S AUTO PARTS FOR A SPECIAL USE

[1) PUBLIC HEARINGS: Applicant, Big Lou’s Auto Parts – Special Use Exception No. 24-0045. Special Use Exception for the construction of a 40’ x 60’ pole building to replace one destroyed by a fire to be used in support of an existing nonconforming use]

I DON'T HAVE INTERNET ACCESS ON MY LAPTOP FOR A MINUTE.

ARE YOU GOOD? I MIGHT HAVE TO USE IT. THE ONE TIME I DON'T PRINT THIS STUFF OFF.

OKAY, [INAUDIBLE]. ALL RIGHT. I'M AT BOARD EXHIBITS. RIGHT. [INAUDIBLE].

ALL RIGHT. SO. EXHIBIT NUMBER ONE IS THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING PUBLISHED IN THE TIMES RECORD ON MARCH 5TH AND MARCH 12TH.

EXHIBIT NUMBER TWO IS THE STAFF REPORT. EXHIBIT NUMBER THREE IS THE APPLICATION.

EXHIBIT NUMBER FOUR IS THE SITE PLAN. EXHIBIT NUMBER FIVE IS THE SOLE MEMBER OPERATING AGREEMENT.

EXHIBIT NUMBER SIX IS THE RESIDENT AGENT, MITCHELLS LAND, LLC.

EXHIBIT NUMBER SEVEN IS MITCHELLS LAND, LLC. SOLE MEMBER.

OPERATING AGREEMENT. EXHIBIT NUMBER EIGHT IS BIG LOU'S AUTO PARTS.

IT'S A WATER SEWER VERIFICATION FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

EXHIBIT NUMBER NINE IS THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ASSESSMENT TAXATION SHEET AND MAP.

EXHIBIT TEN IS AN AERIAL AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

EXHIBIT 11 IS THE APO AFFIDAVIT. EXHIBIT 12 IS A SIGN POSTING AFFIDAVIT AND EXHIBIT 13 IS THE APPLICANT NOTICE.

OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO DO THE THE STAFF REPORT REAL QUICK FOR THAT ONE? SURE. SO THE APPLICANT, BIG LOU AUTO PARTS LLC, HAS REQUESTED A SPECIAL USE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 40 BY 60 POLE BUILDING.

THIS IS TO BE USED IN SUPPORT OF AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE, WHICH IS A SALVAGE YARD.

PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON TAX MAP 15, GRID EIGHT.

PARCEL 79, ALSO KNOWN AS 14 219 DRAPER'S MILL ROAD IN GREENSBORO.

SO BIG LOU AUTO PARTS OPERATES A LICENSED SALVAGE YARD AT THIS LOCATION, WHICH HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR CAROLINE COUNTY, WHICH WAS OCTOBER 1ST OF 1967. THEREFORE, IT MAKES IT A NON-CONFORMING USE.

SALVAGE YARDS IS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE LICENSED ANNUALLY.

SO WE DO ANNUAL INSPECTIONS. THEIR MOST RECENT I THINK WAS JUST THIS PAST OCTOBER BECAUSE IT RUNS FROM OCTOBER TO OCTOBER.

OKAY. SO ANY NON-CONFORMING USE MAY NOT BE MODIFIED, EXPANDED, OR ENLARGED UNLESS A SPECIAL USE IS GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

SO THERE WAS A FIRE RECENTLY THAT DESTROYED AN EXISTING 40 BY 60 BUILDING.

SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD THE EXACT SAME SIZE AND THE EXACT SAME LOCATION.

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OKAY. SO SAME EXACT THING, SAME LOCATION, SAME SIZE, SAME USE.

BASICALLY IT'S USED FOR DISMANTLING OF AUTOMOBILES AND FOR BASICALLY THE SALE OF THEIR PARTS.

SO THEY INVENTORY ALL THEIR PARTS AND DISMANTLE INSIDE THAT BUILDING.

SO IT'LL BE USED IN THE SAME MANNER AS IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME.

IN THE SAME LOCATION. SO. ALRIGHTY. WELL, THE I'M GOING TO WANT TO GIVE.

LET'S SEE, WHERE'S BIG LOU'S REPRESENTATIVES? CAN YOU COME UP TO THE FRONT, PLEASE, SIR? THANK YOU.

WE'LL GET YOU TO TELL US WHO YOU ARE, AND WE'LL GET YOU TO TAKE THE OATH AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, SIR. [INAUDIBLE] AND WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? AND DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. OKAY.

PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. OH, WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? SO WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENTED. 14219 DRAPER'S MILL ROAD, GREENVILLE, MARYLAND.

PERFECT. OKEY DOKEY. NOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO START OFF WITH, OR DO YOU WANT US JUST TO USE WHAT YOU HAD ON THE RECORD? NO. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO WE'LL PULL UP. I'M TRYING TO SEE.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF. LET ME SEE. A LOT OF THINGS THAT LET ME GET IN HERE.

THE EXHIBITS. WE GOT THAT. NOW, SO THE APPLICATION IS 24-0045 BY BIG LOU'S AUTO PARTS, LLC. FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A 40 BY 60 POLE BUILDING, BASICALLY IN A NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY, AND YOU HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED ALL THE DOCUMENTATION REGARDING YOUR.

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE THE OWNER AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING SPECIFIC.

MAYBE WE SHOULD BRING THE PLAT UP FOR REVIEW.

CAN WE DO THAT, CATHERINE? SO WE CAN AT LEAST SHOW THE SITE PLAN? SORRY. YES. THERE WE GO. IF YOU WANTED TO SHOW US WHERE THE BUILDING IS, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO ADDRESS IT.

IF YOU CAN WALK OVER, YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.

THANK YOU. RIGHT. OKAY. NO, ACTUALLY, IT'S RIGHT THERE.

OKAY. SO THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS DESTROYED. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO JUST BASICALLY REPLICATE THAT SAME EXACT BUILDING.

YES. OKAY. ALRIGHTY AND THE REST OF THIS STUFF IS ALL ABOUT YOUR LIMITED LIABILITY.

AND ALL THAT STUFF IS JUST PROVING WHO YOU ARE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE TESTIMONY THAT YOU NEEDED TO GIVE US, SINCE IT'S REALLY JUST A DUPLICATION OF WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? NOT AT ALL.

IT'S PRETTY. IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY. IS THAT RIGHT, MR. DIXON? OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT HAS ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD TO THIS APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY FOR BIG LOU? NO. OKAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FURTHER.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. THE MR. DIXON, THE PREVIOUS BUILDING WAS A BUILDING DESIGNED THAT WAS BASICALLY A ROOF IN THREE SIDES.

CORRECT. THE FRONT WAS OPEN. I SAY THE FRONT WHERE YOU WOULD RUN THE VEHICLES IN AND OUT TO DISMOUNT THEM AND STUFF WAS ALL OPEN.

CORRECT? YES. GOING TO STAY THE SAME WAY? YES.

OKAY. SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING MORE HAPPENING THAN REPLACING WHAT YOU THE EXISTING USE THAT YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN GRANTED.

CORRECT. FOR THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER THAT YOU NEED TO ASK BEN? NO. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY. YEAH. AND SINCE THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO ARGUE POINTS OR ANYTHING, I THINK WE'RE WE'RE GOOD. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO JUST [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH. DELIBERATION. YEP. WELL, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT SEEMS VERY FACE VALUE.

IT IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO DELIBERATE.

[* Deliberation]

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO GO.

SO THERE. SO BASICALLY, FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION, YOU NEED TO DO THE FOLLOWING THING.

SO OBVIOUSLY THE WRITTEN APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.

THAT'S EXHIBIT NUMBER 3 AND A DULY ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN HELD.

WE'RE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S ON 318-03.

FIFTH AND 12TH HEARING ITSELF IS TONIGHT, BUT THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR IT WAS ON THE 5TH AND THE 12TH.

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EXHIBIT ONE AND THEIR EXHIBIT ONE. OKAY. PUT THAT IN THERE FOR THAT.

EXHIBIT NUMBER ONE. SO THE BOARD HAS CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING PRINCIPLES AND REQUIREMENTS AND DETERMINE THAT THE GRANTING OF A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION, A WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL OR TO ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN AN ISSUE. CLEARLY IT'S REPLACING WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 2000 AND IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE RIGHT UP UNTIL IT'S IN A NON-CONFORMING SITUATION.

AND THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND PRIOR APPROVAL ALSO INDICATES THAT'S BEEN ANOTHER PROBLEM.

SO THAT HAS BEEN MET. NO TESTIMONY OF ANY HEALTH? NO. NOTHING SIR. SO WILL IT BE INJURIOUS TO THE PEACEFUL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISH OR IMPAIR PROPERTY VALUES? WELL, APPARENTLY IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME AND HASN'T PRESENTED A PROBLEM.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO IF IT'S PRESENT ONE, THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO TESTIFY OR TESTIFY AGAINST IT SAYING THAT IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THEM. IT'S BEEN A BUSINESS SINCE BEFORE 1967.

RIGHT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS NON-CONFORMING.

YEAH. OKAY. C WILL NOT IMPEDE THE NORMAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY FOR USE AS PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT HAPPENING IN THIS DISTRICT.

THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT BEING DONE WITH THIS BUILDING. IT IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. CORRECT. SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT.

I AGREE, I AGREE D WILL NOT OVERBURDEN EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITIES, INCLUDING SCHOOLS, POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION.

WATER, SEWERAGE, PUBLIC ROADS, STORM DRAINAGE AND OTHER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

WHATEVER IS THERE, AND WHATEVER BURDEN IS ON THOSE THINGS IS WHATEVER IT IS.

NOTHING IS CHANGING. THERE'S NO TESTIMONY AND I HAD A FIRE, AND THE FIRE COMPANY HAD A FIRE, AND A FIRE COMPANY HANDLED IT.

SO WE'RE GOOD. I'M OKAY. E IT CONFORMS IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS TO THIS CHAPTER, ESPECIALLY TO THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH TO BE LOCATED. YES, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE GRANTED THE APPROVAL FOR THAT BUILDING.

WAS IT YOU SAID IN 2000? 2000. JUNE 2000. JUNE 20TH.

SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED THEN? THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT WOULD KEEP US FROM ALLOWING THAT TO CONTINUE AND THERE IS NO CRITICAL AREA ON THE PROPERTY THAT I'M AWARE OF. THERE WAS NOTHING IN YOUR NOTES ABOUT THAT, RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S NOT EVEN APPLICABLE. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY CONDITIONS OR ANYTHING? NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF. NO. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT, MATT? NO, [INAUDIBLE] SO. WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION THEN AND READ THOSE PIECES INTO EVIDENCE OR WHATEVER THE YOU WANT TO DO IT, MIKE? OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? YOU CAN. YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL MAKE IT. WE'LL LET HIM DO THE NEXT ONE.

[INAUDIBLE] . OKAY. I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE FOR 24-0045.

WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS A ZONING CERTIFICATE AND OR BUILDING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY ALL THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION AND SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

THE BOARD. THE BOARD'S DECISION SHALL BE VOID ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL, UNLESS A PLAQUE IS RECORDED OR A ZONING CERTIFICATE AND OR BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED, AND THE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS OF THIS DECISION.

I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. IT'S PASSED.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT WAS EASY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE YOU. YES, SIR. YES, YOU MAY. ALRIGHTY.

I HAVE A FEELING THE SECOND ONE WILL NOT BE QUITE SO QUICK.

BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S A PART OF R&R TO COME FORWARD.

OR ANYBODY THAT'S PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF R&R TO COME FORWARD AND JOIN UP HERE AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY PULL UP ADDITIONAL CHAIRS AS NEEDED. NOT A PROBLEM. CATHERINE? [INAUDIBLE].

IS THAT SECOND MIC ON? THIS ONE IS ON. AT THIS TIME, MAKE SURE THAT BOTH OF THEM ARE LIT UP.

OKAY, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I DO WANT TO READ IN TO YOU GUYS CAN SIT FOR A MINUTE.

WE'LL DO THAT OATH IN JUST A MINUTE. WE WANT TO AT LEAST READ IT INTO RECORD AND DO ALL THAT STUFF REAL QUICK.

[2) PUBLIC HEARING: Applicant, R & R Farms – Special Use Exception No. 24-0026. Special Use Exception for a New Mineral Extraction Facility]

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OKAY, I GOT JASON. ALRIGHTY. I HAVE IT ON THE BOOKMARKS.

SO I DON'T KNOW. OKEY DOKEY. [INAUDIBLE].

I ALREADY READ IT IN, SO I GUESS WE'RE GOOD. I JUST NEED TO HAVE MATT, IF YOU WOULD READ THE EXHIBITS AND THEN THE YOUR NOTES, YOU KNOW, YOUR MEETING REPORT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. EXHIBIT NUMBER ONE IS THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING PUBLISHED IN THE TIMES RECORD ON MARCH 5TH AND MARCH 12TH. EXHIBIT TWO IS THE STAFF REPORT.

EXHIBIT THREE IS THE APPLICATION. EXHIBIT FOUR IS A COVER LETTER.

EXHIBIT FIVE ARE THE MINING PLANS. EXHIBIT SIX IS THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REPORT.

EXHIBIT SEVEN IS A WATER AND SEWER APPLICATION.

EXHIBIT EIGHT IS A TRAFFIC CONCEPTS LETTER DATED MAY 4TH OF 20.

EXHIBIT NINE IS A TRAFFIC CONCEPT LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 6TH OF 24 WITH A RESPONSE FROM SHA.

EXHIBIT TEN IS A DNR HERITAGE LETTER. EXHIBIT 11 IS A COMMENT LETTER ON THE HAUL ROUTE FROM QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.

EXHIBIT 12 IS THE LOT LINE REVISION PLAT, WHICH WAS SIGNED AND RECORDED APRIL 12TH OF 2024.

EXHIBIT 13 IS A TACK STITCH LETTER FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

EXHIBIT 14 IS THE USDA NRCS DITCHES STREAM DETERMINATION.

EXHIBIT 15 IS A MDE PERMIT APPLICATION. EXHIBIT 16 ARE NO OPPOSITION LETTERS.

EXHIBIT 17 IS THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ASSESSMENT TAXATION SHEETS AND MAP.

EXHIBIT 18 IS AERIAL OF R&R FARMS. EXHIBIT 19 IS AN AERIAL AND THE SURROUNDING AREA OF R&R FARMS. EXHIBIT 20 IS A SIGN POSTING. EXHIBIT 21 IS THE APO AFFIDAVIT.

EXHIBIT 22 IS THE APPLICANT'S NOTICE. THANK YOU.

WE ALSO HAVE A THIRD PARTY EXHIBIT, A LETTER FROM HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE RESIDENT.

OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] STAFF REPORT. HEY, MATT. THERE WAS A SECOND ONE UP THERE ON THAT. THE LETTER FROM GOLDSBORO.

OH, YEAH. SO THERE'S TWO THIRD PARTY EXHIBITS UPDATED ON MINE.

IT DIDN'T. YEAH. IT'S NOT UPDATED. SO, YEAH, THERE'S A SECOND THIRD PARTY EXHIBIT WAS A LETTER FROM A GOLDSBORO ROAD RESIDENT.

ALL RIGHT, SO THE APPLICANT, ARNOLD FARMS LLC, HAS REQUESTED A SPECIAL USE FOR A MINERAL EXTRACTION FACILITY.

THIS IS LOCATED AT 25100 GOLDSBORO ROAD IN HENDERSON.

ALSO DESCRIBED AS TAX MAP SEVEN, GRID 21, PARCEL 66.

THIS IS FOR A NEW MINERAL EXTRACTION FACILITY WITH A WASH PLANT THAT'S PROPOSED.

TOTAL AREA OF MINING OPERATION IS 111.08 ACRES.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO REMOVE MULTIPLE AG STRUCTURES TO ESTABLISH A WASH PLANT ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING DWELLING THAT'S THERE.

THE EXISTING DWELLING IS PROPOSED TO BE TURNED INTO AN OFFICE IN SUPPORT OF THE OPERATION.

OKAY. SO THE PROPOSED PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED THEY DON'T CONFORM TO THE 200 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS REQUIRED IN 175 27.5. THERE'S A SETBACKS IN THAT SECTION CAN BE MODIFIED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BASED ON THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF THAT PROPOSED FACILITY.

SO THESE SETBACK MODIFICATIONS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND A RECOMMENDATION MADE TO THIS BOARD AS PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS. SO THE APPLICANT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 13TH.

THAT'S WHEN THEY HELD THEIR PUBLIC MEETING TO REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION GRANTED A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND THOSE CONDITIONS I'VE LISTED HERE IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY TO RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE APPLICATION AND PROVIDE COMMENTS REGARDING THE HAUL ROUTES WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION.

OKAY. THE APPLICANT SHALL RECEIVE CONSENT FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO REDUCE THE SETBACK TO 100FT, AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. IF THE CONSENT IS NOT GRANTED, THE APPLICANT SHALL REVISE THE SITE PLAN TO MEET THE 200 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

THE APPLICANT SHALL RECEIVE CONSENT FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE LANDSCAPE SCREENING IS NOT PROPOSED, AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH MINERAL EXTRACTION FACILITIES IN THE GENERAL VICINITY.

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AS A FRAME OF REFERENCE WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT.

OKAY. SO AGAIN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME AGAIN, THEY'VE REQUESTED THE SETBACK MODIFICATION.

EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE.

THAT'S KIND OF THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE OUTSTANDING FOR WHAT THIS BOARD WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW AND APPROVE AS PART OF THE REST OF THE USE.

OKAY. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, WE CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE APPLICANT.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO START WITH. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS WE CAN ADDRESS YOU LATER.

YEAH. WELL, AS SOON AS WE GET EVERYBODY UP WE DO NEED ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY AT ANY POINT, WHETHER YOU'RE HERE AS A SOMEONE WHO'S JUST PASSIVELY LISTENING AND MAYBE YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD, ANYBODY AT ALL WHO FEELS THAT THEY WE COULD DO THAT LATER.

BUT NOW FOR THE ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING, I'LL HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE GROUP.

AND YOU CAN DO THAT TOO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK IF YOU ALL CAN JUST RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, AND THEN I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO TAKE THE OATH, AND THEN YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAMES ONE BY ONE WITH YOUR ADDRESSES.

SO DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE IN THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? OKAY.

IF YOU WOULD START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND CHERYL TONEY [INAUDIBLE].

MARY WAKEFIELD, A CONSULTANT WITH EARTH DATA INCORPORATED, [INAUDIBLE] MARYLAND.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND IF YOU GUYS NEED SOME ADDITIONAL CHAIRS, THAT'S FINE.

OR YOU CAN SIT BEHIND AND COME TO THIS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, COME TO THE MIC.

BUT FOR NOW, I WOULD START WITH. YEAH. PLEASE MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS SIGNED IN.

YEAH. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OUTSTANDING TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE GOT LAST MINUTE. WE HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

ONE WOULD BE FROM MR. CALLAHAN. IT WAS A SOUND EXHIBIT THAT YOU PROVIDED US WITH AND WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT INTO TESTIMONY AS BASICALLY YOUR ANOTHER ONE OF OUR LOVELY LITTLE PIECES OF EVIDENCE HERE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS.

WHAT'S THE TITLE? WHAT EXHIBIT ARE WE GOING TO DO? THIS IS A SOUND EXHIBIT FOR R&R.

APPLICANT'S EXHIBIT. EXHIBIT LIST. OKAY. I BELIEVE WE'RE UP TO 20 . [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT ANYWAY.

IT WILL BE NUMBER 23. OKEY DOKEY. SOUND. SOUND.

IT'S THE SOUND EXHIBIT. I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY.

YOU WANT TO CALL THIS? SOUND STUDY. OKAY AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID RECEIVE WAS FROM THE NATURE CONSERVANCY AND THAT ONE WE'RE ALSO GOING TO ACCEPT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE ON BEHALF OF THAT.

NO. OKAY. WELL, WE WILL TAKE THIS INTO. DID YOU GET A COPY OF IT? BUT WE NEVER GOT A COPY OF IT. IT CAME IN TODAY, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU A COPY IF THERE'S NOBODY HERE ACTING ON BEHALF OF THIS.

WE MAY NOT EVEN ADDRESS IT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS EXHIBIT.

WHAT? WE HAVE SEVERAL THIRD PARTY EXHIBITS. OKAY.

MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST PUT IT IN THERE. NUMBER NUMBER THREE.

OKAY. THIRD PARTY AND THAT'S FROM THE NATURE CONSERVANCY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU MAKE A COPY OR DID YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THIS? MR. MEEHAN, WOULD YOU. DID YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. I DON'T MIND YOU LOOKING AT IT.

IT'S A LITTLE TOO HEAVY FOR MY READING. OKAY.

YOU LET HER READ IT FIRST. PERFECT. WELL, THEN WE WILL LET YOU GET STARTED.

HOW ABOUT THAT? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEPHEN MEEHAN.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF R&R FARMS. ITS PRINCIPAL IS ROLAND J.

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SO HE'S NOT GOING TO TESTIFY. JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE HIM.

SHAWN CALLAHAN FROM LANE ENGINEERING IS THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE HIM WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROJECT.

THAT'S FINE. WE WOULD LOVE FOR SHAWN TO DO THAT.

GOOD EVENING. SHAWN CALLAHAN WITH LANE ENGINEERING.

WE HAVE SITE PLANS TO GET THROUGH, AND IF CATHERINE CAN PULL UP THE SITE PLAN, THAT'D BE GREAT.

BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE REFERENCE TO. I CAN'T HEAR.

PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT THEN, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO WITH THAT.

I MEAN, IS YOUR MIC ON, THOUGH? I THINK SO, BUT YEAH. SO I'M SORRY, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD A LITTLE BIT, I CAN SPEAK UP, BUT.

I'M SORRY. MOVE UP. OKAY. CAROLINE COUNTY REWROTE THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2018.

YES. AND IT WAS RECORDED IN LAND RECORDS IN LIBER 63, AND THE FRONT PAGE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE FOLLOWING AS A MINERAL RESOURCES ELEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

CAROLINE COUNTY SAND AND GRAVEL IS A VALUABLE NONRENEWABLE RESOURCE THAT SHOULD BE EXTRACTED AND USED WITH CAREFUL THOUGHT REGARDING THE FUTURE.

THESE MINERALS ARE IMPORTANT TO BOTH LOCAL AND THE NATIONAL ECONOMY.

SEE MARYLAND ENVIRONMENTAL CODE 15- 802 A1 STATING THE EXTRACTION OF MINERAL BY MINING IS A BASIC AND ESSENTIAL ACTIVITY, MAKING AN IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE ECONOMIC WELL-BEING OF THE STATE AND NATION.

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS RECOGNIZED, THAT WHILE REASONABLE STEPS TO PROTECT SUCH NATURAL RESOURCES FROM ENCROACHMENT BY OTHER LAND USES THAT WOULD MAKE SUCH RESOURCES UNAVAILABLE FOR FUTURE USE, THE DESIRE TO PROTECT SUCH RESOURCES MUST BE BALANCED AGAINST OTHER POSSIBLE LAND USES, INCLUDING CONSIDERATION OF USE FOR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

AND I THINK WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO DO IS IDENTIFY THAT MINERALS ARE A FINITE RESOURCE, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED AND THEN USED EFFICIENTLY WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED IN THE MARKET AND WHEN THEY ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE MARKET AND I THINK THAT'S THE SITUATION WE HAVE HERE. YOU'VE GOT A FARM THAT'S RIGHT ON A STATE HIGHWAY, VERY VALUABLE MINERAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THIS IS THE RIGHT TYPE OF FARM TO BE MINED BECAUSE IT HAS AVAILABLE MINERAL RESOURCES RIGHT ON A STATE HIGHWAY.

WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE SITE PLANS AND WALK YOU THROUGH SHEET BY SHEET AND THEN GET INTO THE PARTICULARS OF THE ZONING WARRANTS OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. IT SOUNDS GREAT, AND I'M SURE CATHERINE CAN HELP PUT IT UP THERE FOR YOU, SHAWN, SO YOU CAN KIND OF GO ALONG AND POINT OUT STUFF OR WHATEVER.

SO THE SITE PLANS WE'RE GETTING READY TO LOOK AT ARE THE SHEETS OF THE SET THAT MAKE UP THE LOCAL APPROVAL AND THE STATE MINING PERMIT DOCUMENTS. THERE'S A 22 PAGE MINING PERMIT DOCUMENT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT THESE ARE THE SITE PLANS THAT SHOW THE OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FEATURES OF THE SITE FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO THE COVER SHEET IS JUST THAT. IT IDENTIFIES THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN THE SHEET DIRECTORY INDEX OF SHEET HERE IDENTIFIES THE DIFFERENT THE DIFFERENT SHEETS OF THE SET.

THE SECOND SHEET HERE IDENTIFIES THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

IT'S GOT SEVERAL NOTES RELATED TO THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY, AS WELL AS WETLANDS CONFIRMATION INFORMATION AND HERE ARE SOME INFORMATION REGARDING STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION REVIEW.

WE DO HAVE VERY GOOD INFORMATION REGARDING STATE HIGHWAY.

WE BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE A PERMIT ISSUED IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS ON THAT.

WE ARE IN A FINAL REVIEW WITH STATE HIGHWAY. TURN THE NEXT SHEET, PLEASE.

THIS SHEET GOES POINT BY POINT THROUGH THE ZONING CODE RELATED TO THE PARTICULARS OF APPROVAL UNDER THE ZONING CODE. THERE ARE ITEMS LIKE HOW MANY TRUCK TRAFFIC, HOW MANY TRUCKS PER DAY? AND PLANT LOCATION AND PARTICULARS OF THE ZONING CODE ARE IDENTIFIED ON THIS SHEET, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GRAPHICALLY SHOWN ON THE FOLLOWING SHEETS.

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IT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE DIFFERENT SYMBOLOGY IN THE PLAN SET MEANS.

THIS IS A HALL ROUTE EXHIBIT. YOU RECALL SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUIRING A HALL ROOT REVIEW BY QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IT CROSSED OVER. YEAH. BECAUSE IT CROSSES INTO QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.

BUT HERE'S OUR SITE HERE. 80% OF THE TRAFFIC GOES EITHER NORTH OR EAST.

EXCUSE ME. NORTH OR WEST? THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, 60% GOING NORTH TO PHILADELPHIA.

I THINK IT SAYS 20% GOING ACROSS THE BAY BRIDGE AND ANOTHER POTENTIAL 20% GOING EAST.

SEAN, WHAT'S THE TWO ROAD NAMES OR NUMBERS? SO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS 313 AND THIS IS 312. OKAY. NOW, IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS NO TRUCK TRAFFIC USING ANY HAUL ROUTE. HERE ON ON THIS ROAD TO THE SOUTH, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC USING THIS SMALL LOCAL ROAD.

RIGHT. SO, THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS THAT THERE'S NO INTENT TO HAVE ANY TRAFFIC ON LOCAL ROADS, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE IF SOMEBODY NEEDS A LOAD OF SAND DOWN THERE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, FOR A HORSE STALL OR A COW BARN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A TRUCK.

[INAUDIBLE]. THERE'S NO REGULAR ROUTE OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE DOTTED PATTERN SHOWN HERE.

MAYBE I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SHEET, PLEASE. SO THIS IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN.

IT SHOWS THE OUTLINE OF THE FARM IN THE HEAVY DARK LINE.

IT SHOWS THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE FARM STRUCTURES HERE.

THESE LINES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY ARE THE DIFFERENT TAX DITCHES AND DRAINAGE DITCHES ON THE PROPERTY.

THESE TWO SQUARES UP FRONT ARE THE SEWAGE RESERVE AREAS APPROVED FOR SEPTIC DISPOSAL FOR ANY FUTURE SEPTIC REPLACEMENT FOR THE HOUSE SEPTIC SYSTEM. AND THERE IS A SEPTIC SYSTEM IN THIS BARN HERE.

BUT BASICALLY, THE PROJECT IS THAT MOST OF THESE OLD FARM STRUCTURES WILL BE REMOVED.

THE PLANT SITE WILL BE PLACED UP IN THIS LOCATION, AND TRUCKS WILL USE THE IMPROVED DRIVEWAY THAT SERVES THE FARM AS THE HAUL ROAD FOR THE WASHED SAND TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY.

SO THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY, THAT'S THEIR CURRENT DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED TO BE THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE PROJECT.

SO NOTHING ELSE CHANGES EXCEPT FROM ACCESS STANDPOINT, EXCEPT FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCE AS REQUIRED BY STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION.

OKAY. NEXT SHEET PLEASE. SO THIS IS THE OVERALL GRADING PLAN.

THE CONTOURS HERE SHOW SLOPE DOWN FROM EXISTING GRADE TO THE POND BOTTOM, AND WE'VE GOT SOME SECTION VIEWS WE CAN LOOK AT LATER. BUT THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT WILL BE IMPROVED TO BE A HAUL ROAD.

SO YOU'LL COME IN AND AND MAKE A SWING A RIGHT HERE LOAD AND THEN WEIGH AND LEAVE OVER THE SCALES HERE.

THIS IS ACCESS TO THE PLANT SITE AND THE HOUSE IS BACK HERE.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OFFICE. YOU'LL SEE SOME EMPLOYEE PARKING BACK HERE.

THE GRAY SHADE. THERE IS AN ASPHALT ENTRANCE FOR THE FIRST 100FT OFF OF THE HIGHWAY.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF SURFACE TO KEEP THE DIRT AND STUFF FROM GOING ONTO THE MAIN ROAD.

YEAH. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WITH THE LENGTH OF THIS HAUL ROAD, A LOT OF THE DIRT WILL LEAVE BEFORE YOU GET TIRES AS YOU GO DOWN THAT LONG HAUL ROAD.

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THE INTENT. I THINK IT'S AT 700FT APPROXIMATELY FROM THE ROAD TO THE PLANT SITE.

YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY ALL FOR. WELL LET ME EXPLAIN.

CATHERINE, I THINK UP HERE IN THIS CORNER, WE SHOW SOME FIGURES ON THE.

THERE THEY ARE. SO MATT TOLD YOU ABOUT A REQUEST TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

ABOUT A REDUCTION OF SETBACKS FROM 200FT TO LESS THAN 200FT IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.

WE'RE SHOWING A REDUCTION IN AREA OR AN AREA IN A OF 1.4 ACRES, AN AREA IN B OF 4.5 ACRES,

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THE SETBACKS WERE REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY, I THINK IN APPROXIMATELY 2018 OR 2020, WHEN THE ZONING CODE WAS REWRITTEN.

SO YOU LOSE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAND IN THESE SETBACKS.

AND WE THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT TO REQUEST A REDUCTION OF THE SETBACK FROM 200 TO 100FT, 100FT IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. AND WE CAN SEE THAT. CAN YOU SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE? SEE THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. RIGHT. SO HERE'S AREA A, SO AREA A BEING WHATEVER ACREAGE IT WAS IN THIS LOCATION. AREA B WAS IN THIS LOCATION. AREA C IS OVER HERE.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE 200 FOOT SETBACK AND THEN THE 100 FOOT SETBACK.

SO BASICALLY IT'S A PIECE OF MATERIAL IN HERE THAT WOULD BE STRANDED FOREVER AND NOT MINED AND THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET WOULD GO TO ANOTHER FARM AND START DIGGING THAT FARM UP AS OPPOSED TO USING THESE THIS MATERIAL MORE EFFICIENTLY SIMPLY BY GOING 100FT CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

THESE TAX DITCHES THAT ARE INTERIOR TO THE SITE WILL SIMPLY BE MINED AND DISAPPEAR, THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE A LARGE POND AT RECLAMATION. WE ARE RELOCATING THIS DITCH OUT FRONT HERE TO SIMPLY BE PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND PARALLEL TO THE SETBACK HERE. AND THIS WATER WILL SIMPLY GO WHERE IT WHERE IT DOES TODAY AND CONNECT INTO THIS DITCH. BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT IS TO BE EFFICIENT AND MOVING A DITCH IS MORE EFFICIENT THAN LEAVING THIS THIS YOU KNOW, FRAMEWORK OF DITCHING HERE. YOU'LL SEE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER PROPOSED HERE ALONG THE HIGHWAY. I THINK IT'S LOBLOLLY PINE AND WHITE PINE PROPOSED ALONG THE HIGHWAY.

THERE IS NO BERM PROPOSED HERE, RATHER JUST PLANTINGS.

IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS, THOSE TREES WILL BE 5 TO 8FT TALL.

AND WE'LL OBSCURE THE HIGHWAY VIEWS INTO THE SITE.

A LOT OF PROPERTIES HAVE A LOT OF OVERBURDEN, A LOT OF MATERIAL ABOVE THE WATER TABLE.

THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE MINED WITH A DREDGE.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WASTE ON THIS FARM, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA MATERIAL TO CREATE BERMS AND SUCH.

SO IT SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE SIMPLY TO DO PLANTING THAN TO THEORETICALLY HAUL IN MATERIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BUILD BERMS. ONE THING I FORGOT, THE AREAS WHERE THE SETBACK IS PROPOSED TO BE REDUCED.

MR. CARBAUGH WENT AND VISITED WITH ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS, AND HE DID GET LETTERS OF NO OBJECTION FROM THOSE NEIGHBORS WHERE HE HAD REQUESTED A REDUCTION AND THEY ARE IN THE FILE. OKAY. NEXT SHEET, PLEASE.

THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THE GRADING PLAN OF THE HAUL OF THE ENTRANCE WITH SOME IMPROVED DITCHES AND SWALES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE OF THE CURRENT EXISTING DRIVEWAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED TO BE A HAUL ROAD.

THIS IS THE ASPHALT APRON AND THEN 24 FOOT DRIVE SURFACE HERE IN THE BACK.

THESE ARE THE TWO SEWAGE RESERVE AREAS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND HERE'S JUST AN INSET BLOW UP OF THE PLANT SITE AND THE EXISTING HOUSE AND OFFICE STRUCTURE AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE WORK SURFACE AREA AND THEN THE SCALES LEAVING.

NEXT SHEET PLEASE. CATHERINE, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SHEET? I'M ON THE NEXT. THANKS. OKAY.

BUT THESE ARE THE SLOPES DOWN INTO THE POND. OKAY.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LITTLE HILL HERE. STRUGGLING TO MOVE IT. THE PROJECTOR ITSELF IS NOT NOT COOPERATING.

OH. I'VE GOT A PAPER COPY IF WE NEED TO USE THAT, BUT YEAH,

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IT'S JUST A IT SHOWS THE SIDE SLOPES DOWN. THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE RELOCATED DITCH COMING FROM THE FRONT OF THE SITE.

NEXT SHEET, IF YOU CAN GET TO IT, PLEASE.

WHILE WE'RE HERE ON THIS SHEET, AND KATHERINE'S TRYING TO GET TO THE NEXT ONE.

ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WATER DRAINING FROM OUR PROPERTY ACROSS AND THEN ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

THIS PIPE HERE IS TILTED TO THE SOUTH. SO IT WATER DOES RUN OUT OF THIS STATE HIGHWAY DITCH AND ACROSS TO US.

BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING ABOUT 15 ACRES OF DRAINAGE AREA THAT USED TO GET TO THIS PIPE AND TAKING IT AND TAKING IT ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND REDUCING THAT DRAINAGE AREA TO ABOUT ONE ACRE THAT WILL GO SOUTH TO THE NEIGHBOR AND ONE THING IS IMPORTANT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS MINE IS ALL ENCLOSED. SO WATER DRAINS INTO THE POND, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO OUTFALL FROM THE PROPERTY. IT'S ALL GOING TO GO INWARD.

YEAH. RIGHT. SO MATERIAL. THAT WAS LAND THAT WAS FORMERLY ARE FARMED AND DISTURBED REGULARLY WILL EITHER BE WATER SURFACE OR IT WILL BE IN GRASS EVENTUALLY. RIGHT. SO THERE'LL BE NO SEDIMENT LEAVING THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO NOW YOU DO HAVE SEDIMENT LEAVING YOU KNOW, DURING SOME CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR.

SO HERE'S THE EXISTING GRADE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY.

HERE'S THE APPROXIMATE GROUNDWATER, WHICH I THINK IS TEN FEET BELOW GRADE.

AND THEN THE BOTTOM OF THE MINE. SO HOW DEEP WILL IT GO? SAY THAT AGAIN. HOW DEEP WILL IT GO? IT'S ABOUT 75FT FROM EXISTING GRADE.

OKAY. OR 60. 65FT FROM THE WATER TABLE. SO PEOPLE SAY, HOW DEEP IS THE MINE? WELL, WHAT WHAT WHAT'S THE QUESTION? IS IT FROM THE SURFACE OR FROM THE WATER? YOU KNOW. YEAH, BUT I HEAR YOU. YOU GET TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

RIGHT, I GOT YOU. I GUESS I'M THINKING FROM THE ACTUAL AT GRADE.

HOW FAR DOWN WILL IT GO? IT'S ABOUT 75FT. OKAY.

THANKS, SEAN. YEAH. NEXT SHEET, PLEASE.

SO THIS IS JUST ENGINEERING FOR THE HAUL ROAD.

IT SHOWS YOU SIMPLY THE SLOPED CROSS SECTION AND THEN SHOULDERS FOR THE HAUL ROAD.

THERE IS ONE PIPE UNDER THE HAUL ROAD WHEN YOU COME IN OFF THE HIGHWAY.

NEXT SHEET PLEASE.

SO MOST OF THIS IS TECHNICAL DRAWINGS FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, BUT THEY REQUIRE YOU TO SHOW SECTIONS EVERY 50FT FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY GET EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY REQUIRE YOU TO DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD, AND THEN THEY CAN REQUIRE YOU TO AS BUILT IT SO THAT THEY PROVE THAT YOU BUILT IT CORRECTLY. GOTCHA. THAT'S WHAT THIS SHEET IS TELLING YOU.

IT'S JUST THE VERY SPECIFIC GRADING FOR THE ENTRANCE.

NEXT SHEET PLEASE. INFORMATION HERE ABOUT TOTAL DISTURBED AREA. THERE'S 111 ACRE DISTURBED AREA AND MINING PERMIT AREA.

THIS IS SEDIMENT CONTROL REQUIREMENTS TO SEED AND STABILIZE DURING CONSTRUCTION.

CERTAIN PORTIONS. NEXT SHEET.

THESE ARE JUST SOME MORE GENERAL DETAILS. HERE'S SOME SAFETY SIGNAGE RELATED TO TRUCKS LEAVING THE SITE. STOP SIGN DETAIL.

NEXT SHEET, PLEASE.

MORE GENERAL DETAILS THAT WILL BE HANDICAPPED ACCESS AND SIGNAGE AT THE SCALE HOUSE OR OFFICE.

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LOBLOLLY DO WHEN THEY'RE YOUNG BUT THEN THEY DROP THEM AS THEY GET OLDER.

THERE'S A BONDING ESTIMATE. BUT AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THE LANDSCAPING HAS JUST PROPOSED ALONG THE HIGHWAY, NOT ALONG THE NEIGHBORS. THERE'S A TREE LINE HERE EXISTING AND ROLAND HAS DISCUSSED WHETHER THIS NEIGHBOR WANTS ANY TREES OR NOT. AND RIGHT NOW, THE AGREEMENT IS TO NOT PLANT ANY TREES IN HERE.

A WEST SIDE? TO HAVE A GOOD VIEW OF THE POND.

IS THAT THE WEST SIDE OF IT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THAT IS THE WEST SIDE? YES.

NEXT SHEET, PLEASE. OR IS THAT IT? OKAY. YEAH.

HERE'S THE END USE PLAN, WHICH IS SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, A COLOR CODED PLAN THAT KIND OF TELLS YOU WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITHOUT HAVING TO READ THE BLACK AND WHITE OF AN ENGINEERING PLAN. BUT IN THE END, IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING A LARGE POND WITH A HOUSE SITE HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, A WATER AND FARMLAND INTERSECTION SURFACE HERE WHERE THE SLOPES COME OUT.

THIS. THE MAIN DITCH IN THE BACK WILL REMAIN.

THERE'S NO INTENT TO MINE THAT. THERE'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE AREA UP HERE.

I MEAN, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AND THAT WATER WILL CONTINUE TO COME THROUGH OUR SITE AND NOT BE DISTURBED, BUT THE LITTLE FINGER DITCHES WILL BE CONSUMED AND IT'S THE INTENT TO HAVE NO DISCHARGE.

SO I JUST KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS AS WE'RE GOING.

SURE. SO THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE WATER. WHEN THIS IS COMPLETE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG.

THAT'S CORRECT. THIS WILL BE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACRE POND WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

I PROBABLY GOT IT IN THE NOTES SOMEWHERE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S. ROLAND. CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA AS TO HOW LONG THIS PROJECT WILL TAKE TO BUILD OUT AND COMPLETE, JUST SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING NEARBY WILL UNDERSTAND? I'M NOT IN A HURRY TO DIG IT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO SET IT UP.

I'VE GOT RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. I'VE GOT 400 ACRES SITTING THERE AFTER RESERVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SAND BUSINESS.

THERE'S A LOT OF PITS DRYING UP. THEY AIN'T GOING TO BE NO SAND.

IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THERE'LL BE A COUPLE MORE CLOSED UP ON THE RAFT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF MYSELF. IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME TIME TO BUILD THE PLANT, GET THINGS SET UP, AND I'LL PROBABLY START A SMALL. RIGHT. IF YOU DO A MATHEMATICS OF WHAT I'M DOING NOW, IT'S ABOUT SEVEN ACRES A YEAR. OKAY, THAT'S AT 70.

THAT'S AT 75FT. THIS HERE WOULD PROBABLY BE ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 55FT.

OKAY. THE MATERIAL THERE'S ESTIMATED WHEN I DID THE BOARD, WE GOT TOPSOIL.

WE GOT RIGHT INTO MASONRY SAND. WE GOT ANYWHERE FROM 4 TO 6FT OF MASONRY.

SAND AND WATER WILL BE AT. I DON'T HAVE NO JUNK DIRT.

I GO RIGHT INTO TOP NOTCH SAND. OKAY. ACTUALLY, OUT OF ALL THE PLACES I BOARD.

THE SAND THERE WILL MAKE, WELL, SAND. AND WELL, SAND IS VERY HARD TO GET AHOLD OF.

AND I KIND OF GOT THAT IN MY MIND OF MAKING, WELL, SAND.

RIGHT NOW, YOU GOT TO GO TO JERSEY OR SOUTH TO GET, WELL, SAND.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE, GETTING HARD TO GET, RIGHT.

WHEN I BOARD THESE WELLS, THEY GOT PUT THAT SAND AROUND AND GOT ME 150 TO THE NUMBERS ON IT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO THIS COULD BE LIKE A PRETTY LENGTHY PROJECT.

IT COULD BE 20, 30 YEARS. IT'S MY OPINION. I WON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 25 YEARS OF DIGGING. EASY.

OKAY. UP THERE. NOW, I GOT 100 YEARS OF DIGGING.

RIGHT? I'VE BEEN THERE 18 YEARS AND WE'RE ONLY ABOUT ABOUT 40FT DEEP.

WHERE I'M AT NOW AND I'M PROBABLY INTO 80 ACRES.

OKAY AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW.

MAKES SENSE. I'M JUST. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET THE SCOPE OF THE LENGTH OF TIME THIS COULD BE.

OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE. YEAH. IT'D BE MY SON.

PROBABLY TAKE IT OR. OKAY. YOU KNOW, DOWN THE LINE.

I HOPE HE DOES. OR, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF PREPARING MYSELF DOWN THE LINE WHEN YOU'RE IN THIS BUSINESS IF YOU DON'T LOOK OUT ADVANCE

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RIGHT. IT'S A BIG PROJECT. 25 MILLION. RIGHT.

I SPENT OVER 15 MILLION WHERE I'M AT NOW AND BETTER PLANT IS ABOUT $4.5 MILLION.

A DREDGE IS ALMOST 2.5 MILLION AND THEN WHEEL LOADERS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, YOU KNOW IT'S AN UNDERTAKING AND WHEN YOU END THIS BUSINESS, YOU GOT TO KEEP MOVING, RIGHT? I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. BUT I'M HERE. I WANT TO GET ALONG WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT CLEAR ON RECORD.

ANYTHING THEY NEED, I'M THERE FOR THEM. AND IT'S JUST THE SAME WAY DOWN MY PIT.

YOU CAN ASK PEOPLE MY NEIGHBORS DOWN THERE, I GET ALONG ALL GOOD WITH THEM.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. BOARD SHEET G 103 DOES REFERENCE A 25 YEAR LIFESPAN.

OKAY. BASED ON 100 TRUCKS A DAY. THANKS, JOHN FOR THE CLARITY.

THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE PLAN SET. I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. THE TRAFFIC CONCEPTS LETTER OF SEPTEMBER OF MAY OF 2020.

HAS A SUMMARY AND CONCLUSION STATEMENT THAT I'D LIKE TO READ.

OKAY. TRAFFIC CONCEPTS, WHICH IS TRAFFIC CONCEPTS.

MAY OF EXHIBIT 8 2020. YEAH. EXHIBIT EIGHT. [INAUDIBLE].

AND THE LAST PAGE OF THAT SAYS CONCLUSION. THERE IS INHERENT IMPACT TO AREA ROADWAYS WITH THE CHANGE TO THE SURROUNDING LAND USE. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE IMPACT AT THIS LOCATION IS GREATER THAN IF THIS PROPOSED USE WAS LOCATED IN A SIMILARLY ZONED PROPERTY SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY. THE PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THIS SITE IS DIRECTLY ONTO A STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, WITH THE ULTIMATE CONNECTIONS TO OTHER STATE ROADWAYS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HANDLE TRUCKS OF THIS TYPE GENERATED BY THIS PROPOSED USE.

THEREFORE, THIS ANALYSIS ADDRESSES THE IMPACT OF PLANT OPERATIONS ONLY ON THE STATE ROAD SYSTEM, AND THEN THE NEXT FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH SAYS. WE CONCLUDE THAT WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THIS SITE, ACCESS TO THE CONNECTION WITH STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, THE EXISTENCE OF ADEQUATE SIGHTLINES FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS, AND THE LOW VOLUME OF EXISTING TRAFFIC ALONG THE ROAD SYSTEM.

THE SAND AND GRAVEL PLANT PROPOSED WILL OPERATE IN A SAFE AND IN HARMONY WITH THE IMMEDIATE AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY, SO WE ALSO HAVE STATE HIGHWAY LETTERS CONFIRMING THAT THEY WILL ISSUE THIS PERMIT AND THERE'S ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE FOR THE TRUCK TRAFFIC PROPOSED.

OKAY.

WE HAVE HAD ON SITE REVIEWS WITH MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THE LOCAL USDA AND SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE AND THOSE AGENCIES HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THESE TAX DITCHES ARE SIMPLY THAT THEY ARE TAX DITCHES AND NOT REGULATED WETLANDS OF ANY SORT.

OKAY. WE DO HAVE THAT DOCUMENTATION. YOU YOU SEE MY VARIOUS LETTERS HERE IN THE FILE? BUT THAT'S THAT WAS A CONCERN. THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT THEY'RE NOT PERENNIAL STREAMS OR WHATEVER.

THEY'RE JUST A TAX DITCH. THEY ARE NOT REGULATED IN ANY MANNER EXCEPT AS AGRICULTURAL DITCHES.

GOTCHA. I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. CRITERIA.

IF I CAN FIND THEM.

SO YOU SHOULD HAVE MY COVER LETTER OF OCTOBER 28TH, 2024.

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BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT THIS MINE, IN THIS LOCATION, AS COMPARED TO OTHER SIMILAR MINES, HAS NO SIGNIFICANT OR UNIQUE ADVERSE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORS PROPERTY VALUES, THE ENVIRONMENT, TRUCK TRAFFIC, OR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.

IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR A MINE. YEAH. SEAN, I HEARD YOU JUST SAY ABOUT TRUCK TRAFFIC.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS THE SAME TRUCK THAT YOU ALREADY SEE ON THE ROAD.

JUST ABOUT ALL THEM TRUCKS RUNNING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, OR 90% OF THEM ARE OURS.

YEAH. [INAUDIBLE]. YOU KNOW, GET MORE TRUCKS.

IT'S THE SAME TRUCKS ON THAT SAME ROAD THAT WORKED FOR ME, THE OUTSIDERS AND THE ONES WE OWN AND IF EVERY DAY WE GO UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD FROM THERE TO THERE, YOU KNOW, WE GO TO DELAWARE A LOT AND AND THEN WE GO TO PENNSYLVANIA A LOT AND ACROSS THE BRIDGE. BUT IT'S THE SAME TRUCKS I'M GOING TO BE USING THAT.

I'VE ALREADY USED THEM ON THE SAME ROAD. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

WHAT? SINCE HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TRUCKS, BUT IT'S THE SAME ONES ON THE ROAD.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT I'M NOT. YOU KNOW, IF WE SEND PEOPLE, WE HAVE.

IF YOU'RE RUNNING THIS, IF YOU GET THIS PIT AND YOU'RE RUNNING IT, WHAT SAY THAT'S THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE RUNNING LOADS OUT OF, WHAT WOULD YOUR LOAD PER DAY PROJECTION BE? IN A VERY UP AND DOWN.

WE RUN ANYWHERE WE'RE AT NOW. WINTER MONTHS, PROBABLY 50 LOADS AND SOME DAYS CLEAR UP TO 200 LOADS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE DEMAND. DEPENDS ON WHAT'S IS GOING.

BUT I ALWAYS SAY, IF I'M A RULE OF AIR TRUCKS, WHEN THEY LEAVE, SOME OF THEM DON'T COME BACK.

THEY GO WORK ELSEWHERE NEED MAYOR TRUCK. THEY WORK ALL DAY, JOCKEY ALL DAY.

SO. AND THEN THEY COME IN AND GET PRELOADED FOR THE NIGHT AND GO TO THE NEXT MORNING AND ALL.

AND BUT I WOULD SAY, LIKE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY PICKING UP.

WE'RE ABOUT 150 A DAY RIGHT NOW OUT OF MY PIT THERE.

BUT THIS PIT AIN'T GONNA BE LIKE THAT. IF WE AVERAGED 100 A DAY.

YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, IT WON'T PAY TO PUT A BIG PLANT UP.

A BIG PLANT COST A LOT OF MONEY. NOW, I'M DOING ONE RIGHT NOW, FINISHING UP ON.

AND I'VE GOT WAY OVER $4 MILLION IN A BIG PLANT.

AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF ACRES I HAVE IT WON'T VERSIFY THE MONEY DUMPING IT IN THERE.

I PROBABLY GOT IN THE PLANT NOW, AND EVERYTHING I GOT GOING ON PROBABLY ABOUT $25 MILLION WRAPPED UP.

IN THIS OPERATION. I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT AROUND ABOUT 15 MILLION.

I'M GOING TO PUT A SMALLER PLANT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, RUN A LOT LOWER KEY.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE WITH ONLY A [INAUDIBLE] SAY, YOU KNOW, 100 SOMETHING ACRES THERE. IT AIN'T LIKE MY OLD PLACE.

ALMOST 400 ACRES. YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE? IT JUST YOU GOT TO VERSIFY AND TO PUT A SAND PLANT UP TO MAKE ANY MONEY, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE 50 ACRES, AND YOU GOT TO HAVE 50FT OF SAND BEFORE YOU EVEN MAKE YOUR FIRST DOLLAR.

IT'S A LONG INVESTMENT, AND I'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH WHAT I DO IN BUSINESS WISE.

I'VE LEARNED THE HARD WAY. THANK YOU. I WASTED A LOT OF MONEY.

I'M DONE. I JUST HAVE A QUICK. MR. CALLAHAN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DEVELOPING SAND AND GRAVEL PITS ABOUT 30 YEARS.

OKAY. AND ONCE THE PIT OPENS UP, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE PIT? WHAT COMES TO LIVE THERE? IS IT JUST STATIC? EMPTY? NOTHING COMES. OR WHAT HAPPENS? IT BECOMES ALIVE.

DUCKS AND BIRDS AND FISH AND ALL SORTS OF CRITTERS START TO INHABIT IT.

IT BECOMES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER POND. THE WATER IS CLEAR AND EVENTUALLY MOTHER NATURE TAKES OVER.

BUT YOU CAN SEE FISH 4 OR 5FT LONG IN THE POND A COUPLE YEARS LATER.

IT'S AMAZING. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THE NEXT WITNESS I HAVE IS MARY WAKEFIELD FROM EARTH DATA.

OKAY. [INAUDIBLE].

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AND WHAT IS YOUR OCCUPATION? I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF WATER RESOURCES AT EARTH DATA AND IN THAT CAPACITY, WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT DON'T I DO? MOST OF WHAT I DO IS MANAGE OUR FIELD WORK, PROOFREAD REPORTS.

I'M A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT FOR OUR GEOHYDROLOGY FOR GROUNDWATER MAPPING, MONITORING MOVEMENT.

I ALSO DO A FAIR BIT OF OUR WATER QUALITY MONITORING OUR WATER LEVELS.

WHEN I STARTED OUT THERE, I WAS OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT FOR ON SITE WASTEWATER DISPOSAL.

SO IF IT'S WATER IN THE GROUND, I PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN IS PRUDENT.

AND WHAT IS YOUR ACADEMIC BACKGROUND. SO I STARTED OUT IN INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS WITH A SPECIALIZATION IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES.

SO IT WAS ENVIRONMENTAL POLITICS AND POLICY. I STARTED MY COURSEWORK AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, COMPLETED THE COURSEWORK FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, DID NOT FINISH MY THESIS, BUT I HAVE ALL THE COURSES SO FAR AND IN THE COURSE OF YOUR TRAINING AND WORK EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU BEEN REQUIRED TO EXAMINE AND APPLY THE MARYLAND SURFACE MINING AND WATER USE REGULATION? I HAVE SEVERAL TIMES, AND MOSTLY ON THE EASTERN SHORE OF MARYLAND.

AND IS IT CORRECT TO SUMMARIZE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINED AND WORKED IN THE FIELD OF HYDROGEOLOGY AND SOIL SCIENCES AT THE SOIL SCIENCES ASPECT OF WATER CONTENT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF SURFACE MINES? YES. FOR THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO MOVE MRS WAKEFIELD AS AN QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT TO TESTIFY ON THE SUBJECT MATTER OF HYDROGEOLOGY AND WATER QUALITY AND SURFACE MINING PROJECTS? NO PROBLEM. WOULD YOU EXPLAIN, JUST BRIEFLY THE HYDROGEOLOGICAL PROCESS THAT OCCURS WHEN YOU CONDUCT A SURFACE MINING? SURE. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS HAPPEN. THE FIRST IS THAT WHEN YOU OPEN UP A PIT, THE GROUNDWATER WILL FLOW INTO IT AND FILL IT UP. NOW. WHEN YOU HAVE A SOIL MATRIX, ABOUT 50% OF IT IS SOLID MATTER AND 50% OF IT IS PORE SPACE.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE MORE WATER IN ONE SPACE THAN YOU WOULD IN ANOTHER SPACE.

THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM LIKE OUT IN COLORADO, BUT SORT OF HOW YOU END UP WITH THE LAKE MEAD, IT'S JUST THAT INSTEAD OF GROUNDWATER, THEY'RE USING SURFACE WATER. SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY MOVING SOME OF THE GROUNDWATER INTO SURFACE WATER.

OKAY. SO AND HOW DOES THAT WORK. GRAVITY PUSHES.

YEAH, IT PUSHES IT OVER. SO THERE IS A TRANSMISSIVITY.

WATER IS FLUID. IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOTTOM OF A WELL, THE WATER THAT IS THERE ON MONDAY IS NOT THE SAME ACTUAL WATER AS IS THERE ON TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. BECAUSE WATER IS ALWAYS MOVING, IT IS NOT STATIONARY.

AND YOU SEE THAT WHEN YOU DIG A HOLE IN THE WATER FILLS IT UP.

BUT THE WATER THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE THEN MOVES ON.

THAT'S ALSO WHY YOU GET A CUT BANKS AND CIRCULAR PIECES OF RIVERS, BECAUSE THE WATER MOVES THROUGH IT.

IT'S ALSO WHY THE WATER IN MANY STREAMS WITH LOTS OF TWISTS AND TURNS IS VERY CLEAR, BECAUSE THE WATER ITSELF WILL ALSO MOVE THROUGH THE SAND AND GRAVEL OF A CUT BANK AND OF A SAND BAR, AND IT FILTERS ITSELF AS IT GOES.

NOW, WHEN YOU ARE TESTING WATER AT MINING SITES, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? WE ARE. SO THE FIRST THING THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU TEST WATER AT A MINING SITE IS YOU GET A BASELINE OF WHAT THE WATER LOOKS LIKE IN THAT AREA BEFORE YOU START YOUR MINING.

THAT'S PRETTY CRUCIAL AND THAT'S FOR WATER LEVEL AND FOR WATER QUALITY.

BUT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR NUTRIENTS THAT WEREN'T THERE BEFORE.

YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CHANGES TO PH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY REALLY RELEVANT, IF I MAY SAY, TO WHAT THE NATURE CONSERVANCY BROUGHT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CHANGES TO THE WATER THAT ARE ANTHROPOGENIC. ALL RIGHT AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR CIVILIANS? OH, MAN MADE. IT'S BECAUSE WE WOULD BE MINING THAT THERE IS A CHANGE IN WHAT THE WATER LOOKS LIKE.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN TALK ABOUT WATER LEVELS. HOW DOES THAT WORK WHEN YOU'RE MINING AND WHAT THREATS IF ANY, DO DOES DOES A SURFACE MINE PRESENT TO WATER LEVEL.

SURE. SO YEAH, THE BIGGEST POTENTIAL CONCERN OF ANY SURFACE MINING PROJECT, AGAIN, GOES BACK TO THAT IDEA OF BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TWICE AS MUCH WATER IN A SPACE THAT YOU HAD WATER AND SAND BEFORE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BRING THE LEVEL OF THE GROUNDWATER

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GOOD RAINFALL. SO YOU WANT TO BE MONITORING THE WATER LEVELS VERY CAREFULLY AS YOU PULL OUT MATERIAL FOR THE MINE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OVERALL WATER LEVELS IN THE AREA DON'T DECREASE GREATLY AND THEN BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOU'VE WORKED AT OTHER MINES IN THE AREA, AND THEN BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, HOW DOES THE WATER LEVEL HOW TO WHAT? WHAT ARE THE DYNAMICS THERE ON THE EASTERN SHORE? THE DYNAMICS ARE ALMOST UNNOTICEABLE. YOU SEE A WHOLE LOT MORE VARIATION JUST FROM SEASONAL WET SEASON, DRY SEASON, DRY YEARS, WET YEARS. THAT CAN MAKE YOUR GROUNDWATER VERY 20IN AND THE MINING.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MAXIMUM OF AN ISOLATED MATHEMATICAL CASE OF MAYBE SIX INCHES.

ALL RIGHT AND WHAT EFFECT DOES THE WASHING PLANT HAVE ON THE EVAPORATION? SO THE WASHING PLANT ITSELF HAS ALMOST NO EFFECT ON EVAPORATION OR ON WATER USE, BECAUSE MOST OF THAT WATER IS REUSED. SO YOU WASH THE SAND, YOU WASH THE GRAVEL, THAT WATER GOES BACK INTO THE POND TO BE USED AND REUSED.

IT'S ACTUALLY A FAIRLY EFFICIENT, ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND PRACTICE.

AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE SURFACE MINING OPERATIONS TO BE CLEAN? YES, VERY. SAND IS A NATURAL FILTER. SO YOU'RE KIND OF CLEANING THE WATER AS YOU'RE WASHING THE SAND.

OKAY. IS IT CORRECT THAT AS PART OF THE WORK AT EARTH DATA AND YOUR WORK INVOLVES STUDYING WATER QUALITY AROUND SURFACE MINING SITES IN A BROAD REGION IN THE REGION.

YES. YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE SITES YOU MONITOR. WE DO.

OKAY. IN THE COURSE OF YOUR WORK, AND BASED ON YOUR COMPANY'S HISTORIC SURFACE MINING, WATER QUALITY TESTING, HAVE YOU HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF SURFACE MINING ACTIVITY ADVERSELY AFFECTING NEIGHBORING WELLS AND WATER QUALITY? I HAVE NOT. OKAY. AND IS YOUR IS IT YOUR OPINION TO AGREE OF CERTAINTY WITH YOUR PROFESSIONAL TRAINING THAT THE SURFACE MINING ACTIVITY PROPOSED TO BE CONDUCTED AT THE SITE IN CAROLINE COUNTY? THAT IT WILL PRESENT ANY ATYPICAL OR ADVERSE IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORING WATER QUALITY FOR WELLS.

IT SHOULD NOT. MY I WOULD STAKE MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A DECREASE IN WATER LEVELS OR WATER QUALITY.

BUT THE LOVELY PART ABOUT SURFACE MINING OPERATIONS LIKE THIS IS THAT THEY HAPPEN SO SLOWLY.

THAT YOU HAVE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF DATA TO LOOK AT, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT EARTHDATA IS HIRED.

WE PUT IN MONITORING WELLS AND WE LOOK AT IT YEAR OVER YEAR, MONTH OVER MONTH TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T SOME SORT OF SUDDEN DROP OR SUDDEN WATER QUALITY ISSUE THAT NOBODY SAW COMING.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT THERE'S A SURPRISE THERE BECAUSE WE GET TO MAP IT YEAR OVER YEAR.

AND I'M GOING TO DIRECT YOU TO OPPOSITION EXHIBIT THREE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. NATURE CONSERVANCY AND HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE NATURE CONSERVANCY LETTER? I DID THANK YOU, MR. BUTLER. AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY IN.

I AM. AS OPPOSED TO CONNECTED R&R. WHERE IS IT? SO IT IS CLOSE TO. BUT I WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH THE NATURE CONSERVANCY SAYING IT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO.

IT IS NOT AND I WOULD TAKE SPECIFIC ISSUE TO THAT BASED ON THE IDEA THAT ONCE YOU GET 1000FT AWAY FROM THE POND, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ESSENTIALLY ZERO CHANGE IN THE WATER LEVEL FROM THE MINING OPERATION.

AND THERE ARE MORE THAN 1000FT AWAY. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE. LOVE IT. HOW OFTEN WILL YOU BE TESTING WATER QUALITY AND WATER LEVELS AT THE MINING FACILITY? WE GENERALLY START THAT ONCE A MONTH AND THEN IF THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS, IF THERE ARE NO ABNORMALITIES, WE OCCASIONALLY MOVE TO ONCE A QUARTER AND MOST OF OUR STANDARD CONTRACTS NEVER GO BELOW ONCE A QUARTER.

BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU WANT TO BE THERE TO SEE IT IN CASE SOMETHING CHANGES.

THANK YOU. AND THAT IS A PART OF YOUR PLAN TO HAVE THEM.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. PERFECT. THEY DO MY WORK.

THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. SO JUST BEFORE YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE HAS A SHALLOW WELL NEAR WHERE THIS IS GOING.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING 75FT DOWN, SAY A NEIGHBOR HAS A 20 FOOT, WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO DRY IT.

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SO FIRST OFF MOST WELLS FOR DRINKING WATER ARE GOING TO BE IN THE CONFINED AQUIFERS IN THE AREA.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO SEE ABSOLUTELY ZERO DIFFERENCE IN THEIR WATER QUALITY AND THEIR WATER PRESSURE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT AQUIFER THAN WHERE THE MINE IS HAPPENING.

BUT IF YOU DO HAVE LIKE AN OUTSIDE WELL FOR AGRICULTURE, AGAIN, THE TOP OF THEIR WELL IS GOING OR THE TOP OF THE SURFICIAL AQUIFER MIGHT CHANGE IN A DRY YEAR BY 20IN. BASED ON WEATHER AND BASED ON MINING, YOU MIGHT SEE A DIFFERENCE OF SIX INCHES, SO YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT WITHIN A FOOT OF WHERE IT WOULD BE ANYWAY.

A 20 FOOT WALL IS NOT GOING TO NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE OF 6 TO 20IN ON THE TOP.

ACTUALLY, MAYOR, [INAUDIBLE] IT'S ONLY ABOUT A 25 FOOT SHALLOW WELL, AND THEY TEST THAT WATER, COMPARE IT TO AN RIGHT OUT OF THE [INAUDIBLE] .

AND IT HASN'T BEEN AFFECTED BY. NO NOT AT ALL.

GOOD. NO. THE PLUMBING IS WORSE THAN THE WATER QUALITY.

YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. WE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S QUESTIONS. I THINK MAYBE MAYBE YOU'VE GOT FITS THAT'S HERE.

OH, NO. I HAVE TWO OTHER WITNESSES I DIDN'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. YOU CAN STEP DOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CAN SHE BE EXCUSED? THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY.

I THINK I'LL HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR HER JUST IN CASE SHE CAN STAY.

OKAY. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY IN OPPOSITION MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION.

THEY MAY HAVE A QUESTION. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO KEEP.

OUR NEXT WITNESS IS JOHN FERDINAND. JOHN, IF YOU COULD COME UP AND YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN SWORN, BUT COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND PROFESSIONAL ADDRESS FOR THE FOR THE RECORD? YES. MY NAME IS JOHN FERDINAND. MY PROFESSIONAL ADDRESS IS 235 EAST MAPLE STREET, HAZLETON, PENNSYLVANIA AND I WORK FOR [INAUDIBLE] ENGINEERS.

AND WHAT? HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE YOUR OCCUPATION? MY TITLE IS NOISE AND VIBRATION SPECIALIST. SO I'M INVOLVED IN WRITING PROPOSALS AND DOING FIELD WORK AND WRITING REPORTS RELATIVE TO NOISE AND VIBRATION CONCERNS OR APPLYING THE RESULTS OF THOSE TO ANY LOCAL ORDINANCES OR REGULATIONS RELATED TO NOISE AND OR VIBRATION. AND WHAT IS YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND YEAH, I HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND MASTER'S DEGREE FROM PENN STATE IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE. AND DO YOU HOLD ANY CERTIFICATES OR LICENSES BEYOND THAT? NOTHING IN PARTICULAR. I BELONG TO SOME PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS, BUT NO LICENSES.

AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH VIVATECH? SINCE 2004.

SO APPROACHING A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS NOW. AND IN THE COURSE OF YOUR WORK, HAVE YOU BEEN CALLED UPON TO EVALUATE PROJECTS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE MARYLAND NOISE REGULATIONS? YES, ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. AND DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE IN TESTING FOR NOISE COMPLIANCE OR FOR PLANNING PROJECTS AT SURFACE MINING OPERATIONS IN MARYLAND? YES.

OKAY. AND IN THE COURSE OF YOUR WORK, HAVE YOU BEEN QUALIFIED TO TESTIFY AS ON THE SUBJECT OF COMPLIANCE WITH NOISE, MARYLAND NOISE REGULATIONS? YES. OKAY AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE MR. FERNANDES IS AN EXPERT ON THE MARYLAND NOISE REGULATIONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I WONDER IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHAT THE MARYLAND NOISE REGULATIONS ARE.

WHEN I TALK ABOUT IT. WHAT ARE WE ENFORCING? OKAY.

SO THE MARYLAND NOISE REGULATIONS ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THEY HAVE A DAYTIME NOISE LIMIT, ALLOWABLE NOISE LIMIT OF 65DB AND A NIGHTTIME NOISE LIMIT OF 55DB.

SO THE ANALYSIS AND THE APPROACH ANALYSIS ARE AIMED AT SHOWING COMPLIANCE TO ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE LIMITS THAT ANALYSIS IS BASED ON THE OVERALL NOISE GENERATED FROM THE FACILITY.

OKAY AND YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THE PROPOSED OPERATION AT R&R FARMS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND IF WE COULD SHOW THAT IT'S I THINK IT'S EXHIBIT 23.

IT'S THE SOUND EXHIBIT. WELL, WE THE EXHIBIT THAT WILL TAKE ME. OKAY. WELL, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT GOES INTO YOUR EVALUATIONS? OKAY, SO BECAUSE IT'S A GREENFIELD SITE, THERE'S NO EQUIPMENT OPERATING THERE.

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SO IN THIS CASE MR. CARABAUM HAS ANOTHER OPERATION.

I'VE ALSO BEEN TO OPERATIONS OWNED BY YORK BUILDING PRODUCTS.

SO SEVERAL OTHER SAND AND GRAVEL OPERATIONS. SO THEY HAVE A WASH PLANT THEY HAVE A DREDGE AND THEY USUALLY HAVE A TRUCK LOADING AREA.

SO THAT WOULD INVOLVE A TRUCK AND A LOADER LOADING THE TRUCK.

SO TO SHOW COMPLIANCE WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO IS ADD UP ALL THOSE NOISE SOURCES AND SAY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO TO DO THAT, YOU COULD EITHER USE A CALCULATION OR YOU COULD USE A MODELING SOFTWARE PACKAGE.

I USUALLY USE BOTH, AND WHATEVER ANSWER IS THE HIGHER OF THE TWO, I USUALLY RECORD THAT VALUE.

I ALSO USE A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, SO I USE IN THIS CASE NOISE FROM A DIESEL DREDGE. THAT'S THE NOISIEST TYPE OF DREDGE I'VE EVER MEASURED FROM WASH PLANTS USUALLY WASH PLANTS THAT HAVE MAINLY METAL SCREENS IN THEM ARE USUALLY THE NOISIEST.

TRUCKS ARE PRETTY STANDARD, LOADERS ARE PRETTY STANDARD.

SO I TAKE THOSE REFERENCE NOISE LEVELS AT A CLOSE DISTANCE, MAYBE 25 OR 50FT.

I EITHER USE A CALCULATION OR A PROJECTION MODEL, AND IT TELLS ME THE CUMULATIVE NOISE IN EVERY DIRECTION.

I COULD PUT LIKE A 20 OR 20 BY 20 GRID OR 50 BY 50 GRID AND IT BASICALLY PROJECTS THE NOISE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO YOU BASICALLY YOU ADD UP ALL THE EQUIPMENT, ALL THE NOISEMAKERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THIS SITE BASED ON THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO EVALUATE DECIBELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND AS A RESULT OF YOUR STUDY, DID YOU REACH ANY CONCLUSIONS AS TO WHETHER THE PROPOSED PROJECT AT R&R FARMS WILL COMPLY WITH MARYLAND'S NOISE REGULATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED OPERATION, THAT THE RESULTS OF THE ANALYSIS THAT ARE ON THE EXHIBIT SHOW THAT THE OR THE EXHIBIT THAT WILL BE PULLED UP WILL SHOW THAT THE NOISE LEVELS WILL BE BELOW 65, WHICH IS THE DAYTIME LIMIT.

OKAY. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT UP, CATHY? YES.

[INAUDIBLE]. I DIDN'T. NO, ACTUALLY, I GOT A STACK OF THEM.

I MEAN, I GOT ONE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WANT TO LOOK AT IT OR.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR ANALYSIS, WE ASSUMED SEVERAL DIFFERENT DREDGE LOCATIONS BECAUSE THE DREDGE MOVES AROUND IN THE POND.

SO IN ANY GIVEN DIRECTION I ASSUME THE DREDGE WAS THE CLOSEST IN THAT DIRECTION TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND IN REVIEWING YOUR EXHIBIT IT THE DECIMALS ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS AT DIFFERENT POINTS.

CORRECT. YES. THAT'S RIGHT AND THAT TAKES INTO DO YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TREES AND ALL THE OTHER ENGINEERING ASPECTS THAT WILL BE GOING ON HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT IN THE WATER OR VARIOUS. WHAT GOES ON IN THAT? WHAT KIND OF ANALYSIS DOES THAT INVOLVE? SO WITH REGARD TO TREES, AGAIN, I SAID I TAKE A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.

SO IN A LOT OF THE MODELING SOFTWARE, IN ANY OF THE CALCULATIONS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE A STAND OF TREES THAT'S 100FT WIDE AND FULLY FILLED OUT WITH LEAVES, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NO IT'S A VISUAL EFFECT FOR SURE.

BUT FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT, I ASSUME IT'S ZERO.

ANYTHING THAT'S ADDED, YOU KNOW, OR THAT COULD HELP.

WE'LL WE'LL MAKE THESE VALUES LOWER. BUT I DON'T ASSUME ANY, ANY REDUCTION JUST FROM THE TREES.

TOPOGRAPHY IS ANOTHER BIG FACTOR. AS SEAN POINTED OUT, THE BANKS OF THE POND WILL BE GRADED AND AS THE DREDGING ACTIVITY IS OCCURRING, IT'S GOING TO CREATE A NATURAL BARRIER.

SO THE TOPOGRAPHY HELPS A LITTLE BIT. IN, ATTENUATING NOISE.

SO WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE THAT YOU CAME UP WITH CONSIDERING.

YOU KNOW, JUST THE WHOLE PIECE. LIKE IF YOU HAD AN AVERAGE NUMBER, WHAT WAS THAT? IT WAS UNDER 65. BUT WHAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT YOU CAME UP WITH? JUST AS AN AVERAGE. SO FOR DAYTIME TO TACTICAL YOU CAN'T REALLY AVERAGE IT.

OKAY. IT'S LOGARITHMIC. BUT I WOULD SAY THE RANGE IN DECIBELS IS BETWEEN 62 AND 63.

OKAY AND AGAIN THAT'S A PRETTY. OH ACTUALLY 60.

IT'S THAT'S A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. OKAY. DOES THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK I DO. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DO A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO THIS.

SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY FACTORING IN TREES AND OTHER ASPECTS THAT WILL IN TIME PROBABLY HELP A LITTLE BIT.

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ANOTHER BIG ONE IS GROUND ABSORPTION. THE GROUND WILL WILL ABSORB SOME OF THAT.

YEP. YEAH. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OVER 63 ON THE WHOLE THING.

RIGHT. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MY NEXT WITNESS IS OUR LAST WITNESS IS FITZHUGH TURNER. GOOD EVENING, MR. TURNER. YOU'VE BEEN SWORN.

BUT IF YOU COULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND BUSINESS ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS WILLIAM FITZHUGH TURNER.

MY ADDRESS IS 1102 BUTTERWORTH COURT, SUITE 200, STEVENSVILLE, MARYLAND 21666.

AND WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION? I AM A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER.

AND WHAT IS YOUR EXPLAIN YOUR ACADEMIC AND EXPERIENTIAL BACKGROUND? WELL, I HAVE A BACHELOR OF FINE ARTS IN BUT I BEGAN DOING REAL ESTATE WHEN I WAS 15. MY FATHER WAS BUILDING HOUSES, AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, ADVERTISING, SELLING REAL ESTATE AND IN 19 ACTUALLY 40 YEARS AGO OR 41 YEARS AGO, I DID SOME OF MY FIRST APPRAISALS, AND I STARTED FULL TIME IN 1985, APPRAISING REAL ESTATE IN THAT YEAR.

I DID PROBABLY TEN FARMS HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY, ALONG WITH OTHER HOUSES, AND I'VE BEEN.

THE NEXT YEAR I DID 132 FARMS FOR THE EASEMENT PROGRAM AND HOUSES ALL OVER THE EASTERN SHORE.

I WORK PRIMARILY IN DORCHESTER, TALBOT, CAROLINE, QUEEN ANNE, KENT, AND BELOW THE C AND D CANAL, IF I CAN, IN CECIL COUNTY. AND YOU HOLD. WHAT IS YOUR DESIGNATION? I'M A CERTIFIED GENERAL APPRAISER, AND I GOT THAT LICENSE.

I GOT MY CERTIFIED GENERAL CERTIFICATION IN 1991, THE FIRST YEAR IT WAS ISSUED IN MARYLAND.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE MR. TURNER IN AS AN TO TESTIFY, QUALIFY AS AN EXPERT TO TESTIFY ON LAND VALUES.

[INAUDIBLE]. IN THE COURSE OF YOUR WORK AS A LAND APPRAISER, HAVE YOU BEEN CALLED TO TESTIFY AS AN EXPERT IN LAND APPRAISALS TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF MAJOR EXTRACTION OPERATIONS ON THE VALUE OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES? YES I HAVE. AND OVER HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN CONDUCTING SUCH STUDIES? I THINK MY FIRST BIG STUDY WAS IN 1997, AND I'VE BEEN THAT WAS IN KENT COUNTY, AND I WAS THE OTHER BIG ONE, THE FIRST ONE IN CAROLINE COUNTY WAS ON PROPERTY ON JUST SOUTH OF RIDGELY. MR. SCHUSTER'S PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S EVER ACTUALLY PUT A GRAVEL PIT ON THAT FARM.

HE STARTED OPERATIONS. HE'S DONE SOME BERMS AND SOME TREES AND THINGS, BUT HE HAS NOT STARTED.

THIS IS ON ON THE RIDGELY ROAD 480 AND OH, NO, HE HADN'T DONE THAT.

NO, HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING THERE. BUT HE DID THAT ONE JUST BECAUSE HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT NOT THAT WAS AFTER HE'D BEEN TURNED DOWN ACROSS FROM THE GOLF CART COURSE. AND THEN HE GOT ME INVOLVED IN IT.

SO WHAT GOES WHAT IS YOUR METHODOLOGY WHEN YOU'RE, CALLED TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF THESE FACILITIES.

WHAT IS YOUR METHODOLOGY? OKAY. WELL THE QUESTION ON FOR THIS IS LOOKING AT ECONOMIC OBSOLESCENCE.

AND THAT IS WHAT IS OR EXTERNAL OBSOLESCENCE.

AND THAT IS WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF A PROPERTY THAT IS OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.

SO YOU HAVE PHYSICAL DEPRECIATION. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS, FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE OR THINGS WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY THAT ARE AND THEN ECONOMIC OR EXTERNAL OBSOLESCENCE IS WHAT'S THE HARM FROM OUTSIDE? EVERY APPRAISER SHOULD BE CONSIDERING ALL THREE OF THOSE CONDITIONS IN EVERY APPRAISAL THEY DO AND BUT IT'S SO IN THIS CASE I'M GOING IN AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT IMPACT DOES THE VALUE DOES.

DOES IT SURFACE. MINE HAVE. WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE MARKET VALUE OF A HOUSE THAT'S NEXT TO IT? SO THE WAY YOU TEST THAT IS YOU LOOK YOU FIND MINES.

SURFACE MINES THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA AROUND THE REGION AND YOU LOOK AT HOUSES THAT HAVE SOLD RECENTLY NEXT TO THEM AND THEN YOU GO HALF

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AND IF THEY, IF THE HOUSE NEXT TO THE MINE SELLS FOR WITHIN THE SAME RANGE PRICE AS THE ONE THAT'S FURTHER AWAY. THEN THERE IS NO ECONOMIC OBSOLESCENCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I BEGAN STUDYING THAT. AND I FOUND THAT TO BE THE CASE OVER AND OVER.

AND I'VE LOOKED AT MINES. I GOT LISTS OF ALL THE MINES IN CAROLINE, QUEEN ANNE, KENT, DORCHESTER.

I'VE BEEN DOWN IN WICOMICO COUNTY AND LOOKING FOR WHERE THERE WERE HOUSES NEXT TO THEM.

AND THEN COMPARE THAT, AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY.

I HAD A TRAINEE APPRAISER AND I GAVE HER AN ASSIGNMENT TO FIND ME A REDUCTION IN VALUE OF A MINE, AND I GAVE HER THESE 15 MINES, AND SHE USED THE MLS.

AND SHE WENT OUT AND SHE LOOKED AND SHE SPENT A MONTH ON THIS, AND SHE CAME BACK AND SHE SAID, I CAN'T FIND ANY AND THAT'S WHAT I KEEP FINDING.

NOW HAVE THERE BEEN HAVE YOU FOUND RECENT SALES? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT RECENT COMPS? WELL, YES, I WAS JUST I WAS REALLY CURIOUS BECAUSE I LIKE TO GO EACH TIME I WORK ON ONE OF THESE, I LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE MINES WHERE I'VE, YOU KNOW, BEEN BEFORE AND LOOK AND SEE.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY HOUSES NEAR THERE THAT HAVE SOLD? WHAT DO THEY SELL FOR? AND IS THERE A COMP OUT THERE THAT I COULD COMPARE WITH IT? AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED I FOUND ONE. THERE WAS A SALE ABOUT THREE LOTS IN FROM 404 ON LOG CABIN ROAD AND I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS INTERESTING.

SO MR. SCHUSTER ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM MR. GORSUCH, WHO WAS OPPOSED TO THE MINE. HE SOLD IT.

AND THEN IT WAS RESOLD THIS LAST NOVEMBER FOR IT WAS LISTED FOR 395, I THINK, AND IT WAS SOLD FOR 376.

NOW, THIS IS A 1987 HOUSE, 2070FT². TWO STORY HAD A FRONT PORCH ON ONE, I THINK IT WAS 1.4 ACRES AND WOODED THAT LOOKED ACROSS AND I THOUGHT, BOY, THIS COULD REALLY HURT OR HELP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST BEEN DOING ALL THAT WORK IN FRONT TO BUILDING THE BERMS AND DOING ALL THE WORK AND MOVING EVERYTHING AROUND.

I MEAN, IT'S BY NOW IT'S STARTING TO GROW. THE BERMS ARE GROWING GRASS ON IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PLANTED LAST FALL. AND SO HERE'S A NOVEMBER SALE.

AND I WENT OUT TO LOOK. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT VERY MANY SALES IN CAROLINE COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF THEM OVER NEAR RIVER ROAD.

AND WHAT'S THE ONE THAT COMES OUT OF RIDGELEY? BUT WE HAD A COUPLE OF SALES OVER THERE OF NEW HOUSES, ONE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, A BRAND NEW KITCHEN, BRAND NEW FLOORS AND EVERYTHING THAT SOLD FOR AND THAT WAS SOLD FOR 440 AND ONE THAT WAS 500FT² LARGER, THAT SOLD FOR 449. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIKE THE GORSUCH HOUSE STILL HAD THE OLD KITCHEN, YOU KNOW, LAMINATE COUNTERS, KITCHEN COUNTERS, THE ORIGINAL BATHROOMS FOR 1987 AND I THINK THAT AND IT WAS 1.4 FOR THE ONES THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT LARGER WITH TWO ACRES OR SO.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN I GO IN AND LOOK AT PAIRED SALES ON HOUSES WITH, I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH WHEN YOU LOOK AT MOST HOUSES BY 2019 HAD BEEN UPGRADED.

THEY HAD NEW KITCHENS, NEW FLOORS, THE GRAY FLOORS OR WHATEVER.

BUT THE LAMINATE FLOORING AND THEY HAD NEW BATHROOMS, THEY HAD BIG GLASS AND THE HOUSES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT ARE VERY FEW.

AND THEY DEFINITELY SELL FOR LESS. RIGHT AND THEY END UP PROBABLY BEING FLIPPERS.

RIGHT. BUT SO I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENCE.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE HOUSE, THE GORSUCH PROPERTY ON IS A GOOD COMP TO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTED. IF THEY HAD FIXED THE FLOORS AND DONE THOSE THINGS TO THAT HOUSE, IT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A HIGHER NUMBER.

AND THEN I DON'T HAVE A SALE PRICE, BUT ONE LOT IN FROM THE BRIDGETOWN MINE, THE ONE ON THE NORTH, THE HOUSE THERE'S A LITTLE ONE LOT AND THEN THE NEXT LOT, THE HOUSE THAT SITS BACK SO IT CAN SEE THE POND. AND IT WENT ON THE MARKET AND IT WAS UNDER CONTRACT IN EIGHT DAYS.

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BUT, I MEAN, IN EIGHT DAYS TO GET A CONTRACT, I WENT AROUND AND I GOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.

IT ACTUALLY THAT MINE HAS ACTUALLY BEGUN RECLAMATION AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE WATER VIEW DON'T THEY.

A LITTLE BIT OF IT. YES. THEY GET AT LEAST GET TO SEE THE POND.

RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE ONE. I THINK THOSE AR SOME NICE ONES AND THE OTHER THING, WHEN YOU GO AROUND AND YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN I KEEP GOING, I GO BACK TO MERRICK. THE MINE ON MERRICK ROAD, THAT CORNER, MERRICK CORNER ROAD AND YOU HAVE THIS MINE AND YOU'VE BEEN GOING FOR HOW MANY YEARS? 18 YEARS AND YOU'VE DONE HOW MANY? 80. SOME OR TWO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACRES. 88. YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THE TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING BY THESE TWO HOUSES ON THAT ROAD, ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE SET UP TREES NOT ON THE ROAD SIDE, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE TO BLOCK WIND COMING ACROSS THE FIELDS, BUT NOT ON THE ROAD SIDE.

SO I MEAN, THEY KNOW ABOUT PUTTING ROAD, YOU KNOW, THEY DO IT TO BLOCK THE WIND BUT NOT TO.

BUT THEY'RE NOT BOTHERED BY THESE TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING BY ALL OF HIS TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD AND I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THESE AND THEN WE HAD I WAS LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, JUST A BRAND NEW AERIAL OF OVER ON CHERRY LANE. AND I WAS NONE OF THE HOUSES ACROSS FROM THE GRAVEL PIT THAT'S THERE.

IT WAS A GRAVEL PIT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS, I THINK.

I'M NOT SURE WHO'S DOING IT NOW, OPERATING IT, BUT THEY'VE GONE ALL THE WAY OVER.

YOU'VE GOT THE HOUSES. THEY HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING ON THE MINE SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTIES ON THE ROAD.

THERE'S JUST THE TREES LIKE YOU HAVE HERE, ABOUT FOUR TREES DEEP, AND THE MINE GOES RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THOSE TREES AND, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A RECENT PICTURE OF IT AND I WAS DRIVING DOWN THERE.

I MEAN, NONE OF THEM, THEY'RE NOT SELLING THEM.

THEY HAVEN'T PUT THEM ON THE MARKET, AND THEY HAVEN'T PUT UP BARRIERS TO TRY TO BLOCK WIND OR SOUND, OR WHATEVER'S GOING ON THAT. SO I JUST FOR THOSE REASONS, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THIS PROPERTY WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.

TWO QUICK QUESTIONS, JUST. YES, PLEASE. BASED ON YOUR EVALUATION, DID YOU REACH AN OPINION, TO A DEGREE OF PROFESSIONAL CERTAINTY, AS TO THE EFFECT THAT THE R&R FARMS MINING PROJECT WILL HAVE ON PROPERTY VALUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES. AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION AS TO THE EFFECT OF THE PROJECT? IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE MARKET VALUES OF THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT OR NEARBY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I DON'T EITHER.

I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD FROM MR. TURNER BEFORE ON OTHER CASES, AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN PRETTY SOLIDLY THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT BECAUSE PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BUY THOSE PROPERTIES IS WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED AND THEY KEEP SELLING AND THEY KEEP BUYING AND IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO AFFECT ANYBODY IN ANY UNDUE FASHION. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION, BUT THANK YOU FOR USING SCHUSTER AND THE HOUSE ACROSS FROM IT, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT THE WHOLE TIME YOU WERE TALKING, I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GOING TO BRING THAT UP. THANK YOU. THAT IS OUR OUR PRESENTATION.

STEP BACK. UNLESS YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE].

MR. FERDINAND. WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. PLEASE.

IF YOU COULD STEP FORWARD. SURE. WITH THE NOISE SITUATIONS YOU WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE STATE OF MARYLAND, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT CAROLINE COUNTY'S CODES WITH NOISE? BECAUSE IT MAY DIFFER FROM MARYLAND. NO. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I WAS JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? ARE WE IN LINE WITH WHAT MARYLAND HAS? YES, I BELIEVE IT MIMICS THE STATE REGS ARE 65.

SO IT'S THE SAME OR WE HAVE A CHAPTER 137. AND THE COUNTY CODE IS THE NUISANCE CHAPTER.

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I BELIEVE THAT THEY MIMIC THE STATE, BUT YES, THEY TESTIFIED THAT IT'S 65DB FOR AN ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL USE AND THAT'S WHAT OURS IS.

OKAY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE LIKE MAYBE A 5 TO 7 MINUTE QUICK POTTY BREAK AND THEN WE'LL RESUME.

SO IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO USE THE RESTROOM PLEASE FEEL FREE. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AND THEN WE CAN START BACK IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

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SO NOW ANYBODY WHO IS OPPOSED TO THIS SITUATION CAN DECIDE.

IF YOU WANT TO STAND UP, RAISE YOUR NAME, SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN COME FORWARD AND SPEAK YOUR MIND.

IF ANYBODY IS IN A SITUATION THAT WANTS TO START WITH THAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

ARE THERE ANY OPPONENTS? OKAY. PLEASE, YOUR NAME? MY NAME IS BETTY HOLT. BETTY BOLT. BETTY BOLT.

OKAY. I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE GIVE YOU THE OATH FIRST.

BETTY, AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.

OKAY. MY NAME IS BETTY JEAN BOLT. I LIVE AT 25344 HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE, HENDERSON, MARYLAND.

OKAY. 21640. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, BUT MORE.

I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. FROM ALL THE FACTS THAT CAME IN HERE TONIGHT, WE'VE GOT LIKE A FIVE MINUTE KIND OF PERSON PER PERSON KIND OF THING.

BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS TO GO ON ALL NIGHT. THAT'S FINE. SO PLEASE.

OKAY. I TRAVEL THAT ROAD GOING TO WORK EVERY DAY.

I FOLLOW DUMP TRUCKS ALL THE WAY. WATCH THEM GO DOWN EVERY CORNER.

WATCH THE LINES GET LONG. OH MY GOSH. ARE THESE TRUCKS GOING TO BE OUT TO THE ROAD? SO THAT IS MY CONCERN ABOUT BEING ON THAT ROAD AND BEING SO CLOSE TO MY HOUSE.

HOW FAR ARE THOSE TRUCKS GOING TO BACK UP. BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING DOWN MARY CORNER ROAD.

THEY MAKE A RIGHT AND MARY CORNER ROAD IS A ROAD.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THAT MAIN DRAG. SO WHERE ARE THOSE TRUCKS GOING TO SIT AT AND WAIT TO GET INTO THAT SAND PIT.

WELL THE SAND PIT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'VE GOT LIKE A 700 FOOT LANE.

CORRECT. THEY HAVE A 700 FOOT LANE AT THEIR CORNER.

NO THEY DON'T. IT'S MERRITT CORNER IS DIFFERENT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH GOING INTO THE. AM I RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE] THE PIT AND THEN IN LINE DOWN THE ROAD.

THE NOISE LEVELS CONCERN ME. WE HAVE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE SINCE 1986.

I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE BECAUSE I'VE GOT MY ROOTS THERE OF COURSE AND MY FAMILY'S THERE.

SO WHEN WE LIVED THERE AND MOVED THERE, WE HAD NO CLUE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SAND AND GRAVEL PIT.

I UNDERSTAND. OR SAND PIT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

AND I HAVE GRANDKIDS. THEY'RE TRAVELING. THEY RIDE BIKES.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO [INAUDIBLE]. I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE INCREASED COMING FROM DELAWARE TO THE SAND PIT.

I BELIEVE MR.. I BELIEVE MR. BAUM TESTIFIED THAT THOSE DUMP TRUCKS ARE ALREADY ON THE ROAD GOING UP AND DOWN DELIVERING.

SO NOW THEY'RE GOING TO COME INTO THE PIT TO GATHER MATERIALS, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE ROAD.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO INCREASE NECESSARILY.

BECAUSE I FOLLOW THE TRUCKS WHEN THEY TURN FROM BALTIMORE CORNER TO THAT ROAD GOING INTO THAT ROAD.

SO BUT 313 IS A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED ROAD, RIGHT? IT IS. I LIVE ON IT. YEAH. I COUNTED 33 CARS IN ONE DAY.

FROM PIZZA AND FIRE TO MY HOUSE. OKAY. AND THE TRAFFIC THING THAT YOU DID IN 2020, THAT WAS COVID.

THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. I DON'T IT WAS I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU DID THE THE ONE THAT THEY GAVE WAS FROM MAY OF 2020.

I WROTE IT DOWN. OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN A NEW ONE SINCE THEN? THEY UPDATED THAT IN 2020. COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT ONE? WAIT, WAIT. HE SAID THEY UPDATED IT IN 2024. [INAUDIBLE] YES.

[INAUDIBLE]. YES. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WERE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, BUT YES, THAT WAS UPDATED.

STATE HIGHWAY SAID IT WASN'T SUFFICIENT AND THEY HAD TO MODIFY THAT.

SO IN 2024, THEY UPDATED THE TRAFFIC COUNTS. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE NUMBERS FOR THOSE? IT'S IN THE REPORT AND I KNOW IT'S ON HERE SOMEWHERE.

WHO WANTS TO GO FISHING FOR IT? CAN SOMEBODY RATTLE THAT OFF? I KNOW, THE NUMBERS. WHAT NUMBER ARE WE AT? I'M LOOKING AT THE FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY.

THE. I THINK IF YOU FIND THE THERE'S TWO EXHIBITS.

[INAUDIBLE]. EXHIBIT AND ANOTHER IS THE 2024.

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SO SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 2024 IS A LETTER FROM TRAFFIC CONSENTS. OKAY, SO HERE'S THE 2024 LETTER.

OKAY. I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE. YOU CAN WALK OVER IF YOU'D LIKE.

IT WAS 3631 AND IT WAS 3631 [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS 2023 IS 3484. [INAUDIBLE].

AND HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS? I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY DO A TRIP COUNT THING.

THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT DOES, YOU KNOW, THAT MEASURES THAT. I KNOW SOMEONE WHO DOES ANSWER THAT, SEAN. DON'T, SOMEBODY JUST SIT OUT THERE AND COUNT ALL DAY OR SOMETHING. YEAH.

THEY GOT THE BLACK HOSE THAT GOES ACROSS STRIPS.

I WONDER WHERE I WAS AT WHEN THAT TUBE WAS THERE. WILL THERE WILL BE SIGNS POSTED THAT THERE WILL BE DUMP TRUCKS OR TRUCKS COMING. PLEASE SLOW DOWN. BE CAREFUL, [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT THERE.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

THE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, WE DO WANT TO HEAR THEM BECAUSE IF THIS IS APPROVED IN OUR MOTION, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE DONE.

SIGNS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE. I'M MAKING A FEW NOTES.

I'M GOING TO FEEL REALLY BAD SAYING THIS NEXT ONE BECAUSE ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS IS A TRUCK DRIVER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE WILL BE NO DUMP TRUCKS COMING.

WE'VE NEVER PUT SIGNS AT THE END OF BOTH ROADS FOR NO DUMP TRUCKS, USING THAT AS A [INAUDIBLE].

USING HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE. HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE. YEAH. WE'VE SEEN THE LETTER ABOUT FROM FROM SHARON ABOUT ABOUT THAT AND HER HUSBAND IS.

YEAH. HERSHBERGER. YEAH AND I SAW THAT AND I REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH HER HUSBAND'S A TRUCK DRIVER, SHE'S STILL SAYING THAT CUT OFF ROAD SHOULDN'T BE USED FOR TRUCKS GOING THROUGH.

I DON'T KNOW WHY A TRUCK WOULD WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE, TYPICALLY.

I MEAN, AND THERE MAY BE BUSINESS THAT THEY HAVE ON THE ROAD OR DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY HAVE TO USE THAT.

BUT BY LARGE AND BY FAR, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INHERENT THAT WE SAY THAT'S NOT A TRAVEL ROUTE PER SE, THAT WE USE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOSTLY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ROLLING, TURNING RIGHT OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, NOT LEFT GOING RIGHT TO GO DOWN. AND I GUESS THEY COULD GO LEFT AS WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

MIKE, WHEN YOU GUYS DID THE WOOD FARM, WHEN WE DID WOOD FARM, WE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH WOOD FARM, BUT IT'S LOG CABIN ROAD AND 404. OKAY. SO WHAT WE DID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WITH WOOD FARM WAS AS THEY CAME OUT THE HAUL ROAD, THEY HAD TO TURN RIGHT ON LOG CABIN ROAD AND ENTER 404.

THEY COULD NOT CUT ACROSS AND GO THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED TUCKAHOE NECK, SO THEY COULD NOT TURN LEFT ON LOG CABIN TO MAKE SHORTCUTS, BECAUSE IF THEY WANTED TO GO ACROSS THE 328 TO HEAD TO EASTERN WITH A LOAD.

YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THESE GUYS GET PAID BY THE LOAD. THEY DON'T GET PAID BY THE HOUR. THEY GET PAID BY THE LOAD. SO IF THEY CAN, OVER THE COURSE OF A DAY, GET FOUR LOADS INSTEAD OF THREE ROADS BY MAKING A SHORTCUT, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO WE WILL DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THAT. WHEN YOU MADE THAT A CONDITION.

THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE WAS A GUY THERE WAS ONE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES DOWN OFF OF LOG CABIN TO THE LEFT.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE DID NOT EXCLUDE HIM TO BE ABLE TO GET TO HIS HOME IF HE WAS HAULING OUT OF THERE THAT DAY.

RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN. RIDDLEBERGER. YEAH. AND THEN DUST.

OH. THERE'S MOST. I WILL SPEAK FOR THEM. I KNOW THAT MOST THEY HAVE HAVE WATER TRUCKS AND THEY WASH DOWN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIMES A DAY. OBVIOUSLY MORE WHEN IT'S REALLY DRY COMPARED TO WHEN WE'VE HAD RAINY TIMES.

THE ONE PIT THAT BORDERS THE CHERRY LANE THAT WAS SPOKEN OF EARLIER.

THEY DO IT SO MUCH THAT SOMETIMES IT MAKES IT A LITTLE WET ON THE HIGHWAY.

YEAH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST LOVE THEM THERE.

NO, THERE WILL BE THINGS DONE TO PREVENT AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DUST.

YOU CAN'T AVOID THAT. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MITIGATE AND KEEP THAT LANE SOMEWHAT WATERED DOWN,

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SO I CAN ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THE MARYLAND STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION IN REGARDS TO MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

YES, YOU CERTAINLY CAN. YES, MA'AM. YOU CERTAINLY CAN.

OKAY AND YOU CAN ALSO THE COUNTY ALSO HAS A DECIBEL READER.

SO FOR SOUND, FOR SOUND. SO IF YOU DO BELIEVE THE SOUND IS EXCESSIVE THEY CAN COME OUT AND DO A TEST.

OBVIOUSLY DON'T CALL THEM ONCE A WEEK. NO. YOU KNOW, BUT MAKE A IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE NOISE IS EXCESSIVE DURING THE DAY, THEIR OPERATION WILL NOT WORK AFTER DARK, SO THE 55 DECIBEL SOUND READING SHOULDN'T PLAY INTO EFFECT.

THERE WON'T BE TRUCKS AFTER DARK. THERE WON'T BE A WASH STATION RUNNING AFTER DARK. THE DREDGE WON'T BE RUNNING AFTER DARK.

BUT IF YOU DO BELIEVE THAT NOISE LEVELS ARE ABOVE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPEN.

DAGGONE THE DREDGES OUT THERE RUNNING, AND THROUGH VIBRATION OR TIME, THE MUFFLER BURN OUT ON THE THING.

BUT HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE ENOUGH COMPASSION TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM A DAY TO GET THAT REPAIRED AND ON SATURDAY LATER.

WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. WE HAVEN'T REALLY SPOKEN TO ROLAND YET ABOUT THE HOURS.

I KNOW IT'S ON HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS HOURS OF OPERATION AS WELL. YES.

SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT SHORTLY. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

MATT, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE DUST ISSUE SO EVERYBODY HEARS IT.

YEAH. SO PART OF THEIR OPERATION PLAN REQUIRES THE DUST BE MITIGATED, AND MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT IS THE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY ON THAT. SO IF THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT'S COME FROM DUST YOU CAN NOTIFY THE MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT.

THEY COME OUT AND THEY DO INSPECTIONS. AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT MR. CARBON HAS INDICATED THAT HE WANTS TO REMAIN CIVIL AND FRIENDLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

SO I WOULD ALWAYS, ALWAYS SAY START WITH HIM RATHER THAN GOING OVER HIS HEAD BECAUSE HE WOULD APPRECIATE NOT HAVING THE BIG GUYS COMING IN IF HE CAN HANDLE IT IN HOUSE.

AM I RIGHT, MR. CARBON? YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU JUST TO RECOGNIZE THAT HE WANTS TO PARTNER.

AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE TRUCKS LINING UP, HE'S TELLING YOU HE'S NOT REALLY STARTING THIS THING INITIALLY AND GOING GANGBUSTERS FOR SOME TIME. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR ISSUE YET.

BUT IT COULD COME. YEAH. IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR HOW MUCH NOISE THAT'S GOING ON, YOU GIVE ME A CALL AND YOU COME UP TO MY PLANT NOW AND WE CAN TALK JUST LIKE THAT WHILE EVERYTHING IS RUNNING. [INAUDIBLE]. WE CAN SIT AND TALK.

WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT IN MY YARD WITH TRUCK DRIVERS AND TRUCKS AND NOT HAVING AN ISSUE. YEAH, AND WE AIN'T GOT TO YELL AT EACH OTHER OR NOTHING.

I DRIVE BY THERE ALL THE TIME, AND I DON'T NOTICE IT.

I JUST NOTICE THE TRUCKS. YES, I'M SURE YOU DO.

I JUST HAVE TO SLOW DOWN EVERY MORNING. RIGHT.

[INAUDIBLE] IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, I WANT YOU TO COME TO ME.

OKAY. YOU COME TO ME. AND THAT'S. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW HALF.

I WANT TO GET ALONG WITH EVERYBODY. IT'S GOT TO WORK FOR ALL OF US.

YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

I GET THAT. I GOT A LOT OF EMPLOYEES WORKING FOR ME AND STUFF, AND THEY.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO GO DEAF EITHER, YOU KNOW? YEAH. THEY AIN'T NO GOOD TO ME. I'M ALREADY DEAF.

BUT WORKING ON ENGINES ALL MY LIFE. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAD A QUESTION OR WANTED TO RAISE SOME CONCERNS.

PLEASE. I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME FORWARD, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND GIVE YOU THE OATH AS WELL.

TWO OF THEM. SO MAKE SURE THEY BOTH HAVE SIGNED IN.

SO MY NAME IS JENNA THOMPSON. OKAY. AND I'M DOUG CERUZZI.

OKAY. SO WE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS AT 25281 GOLDSBORO ROAD.

SO WE ARE LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE, THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU.

PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. DID YOU GUYS SIGN IN, TOO? YEAH. THEY DID. OKAY. WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN SEPTEMBER OF 24.

SO WE ARE NEW TO THE AREA. WELL, WELCOME. NEW TO MARYLAND.

OKAY. DOUG IS NOT. I'M INITIALLY FROM DELAWARE.

I WORK IN DELAWARE. OKAY. SO WHEN WE FIRST SAW THE PROPERTY, WE FELL IN LOVE WITH IT.

IT'S 16 ACRES. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S PEACEFUL.

IT'S FULL OF LOBLOLLY PINES AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CONSERVING THAT FOREST FOR THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS VERY DISHEARTENED TO GET A NOTICE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS MINE EXTRACTION FACILITY.

IT WAS NEVER DISCLOSED TO US UPON CLOSING OR UPON LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, AND WE WOULD HAVE NEVER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IF WE KNEW THAT.

WELL, I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DID THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WRITE A LETTER OR WHAT'S CONSIDERED AN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THIS MINING FACILITY? [INAUDIBLE]. YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IT AN ADJACENT PROPERTY.

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YES, SIR. YES. WOULD THAT BE THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY? THEY WANTED ME TO MINE THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, ADJACENT MEANING ATTACHED TO. DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF.

ACROSS FROM. IT'S ALL ONE NEIGHBOR. THEY USED TO OWN THE FARM.

THE FAMILY DID, AND? BUT IT ISN'T ALLOWED. [INAUDIBLE] GROUND.

ACTUALLY, HE TOLD ME, MINE IT. AND I SAID, WELL, THE MINING ISN'T ALLOWED USE ON ON FARM LAND OR IN ANY CAPACITY IN CAROLINE COUNTY.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU BUY A PROPERTY, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OH, THIS IS WHAT'S ALLOWED USE HERE.

IT'S REALLY JUST A QUESTION OF YOU DOING THE PROPER RESEARCH TO KNOW WHAT'S ALLOWED BY THE ZONING.

FOOL ME ONCE. THAT'S FINE. RIGHT AND I'M SO SORRY THAT THAT HAPPENED TO YOU.

AND YOU'RE NOT HAPPY? I'M VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I WORK IN DELAWARE AND SO 8:30 THIS MORNING, I'M SITTING AT THE END OF OUR DRIVEWAY, GOING TO TURN RIGHT INTO DELAWARE ONTO 313. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER OF THE ROADS ARE LIKE.

WE'RE JUST NEW. SO ANYWAY I COUNTED 25 DUMP TRUCKS GOING TOWARDS QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY THAT'S SITTING AT THE END OF MY DRIVEWAY AT ABOUT 8:38, 35 IN THE MORNING.

SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.

SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE FARM EQUIPMENT, YOU HAVE SCHOOL BUSSES.

WE WITNESSED SEVERAL PEOPLE OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS FLEW BY SCHOOL BUSSES WITH THEIR STOP SIGNS.

I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE PASS ME ON THE SHOULDER OR I'M TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO MY PROPERTY AND SOMEBODY PASSES ME ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

YEAH. SO I AM TERRIFIED MYSELF TO GET INTO A CAR ACCIDENT BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY HIGH SPEED ROAD.

IT IS A DANGEROUS ROAD BECAUSE THE ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY IS ON THE BEND OF THE ROAD.

SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES? WELL, THEY'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED EVERYTHING WITH THE STATE HIGHWAY AND THE STATE. AND WE WANT THEM TO BE AT A FACILITY WHERE IT IS ON A STATE HIGHWAY.

WE REALLY DON'T WANT IT IN A BACKWOODS NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S REALLY IDEAL WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THIS.

UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU, IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR YOU, BUT IT IS IDEAL FOR THE PRECIPICE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR YOU. BUT TRAFFIC AND THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ROLAND OR ANYBODY CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN CONTROL. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE MORE RESPECTFUL.

THE POLICE AND THE. WHAT ARE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS DOING? ARE THEY GOING TO BE PATROLLING OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE? I DOUBT YOU'LL SEE ANY MORE PRESENCE THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY SEE.

OKAY. THE, YOU KNOW, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY STRETCHED KIND OF THIN AND OTHER THAN THEIR NORMAL DRIVE THROUGH THE AREA, PROBABLY A COUPLE TIMES A DAY, I DOUBT THAT YOU'LL SEE ANY MORE PRESENCE OUT OF THEM OR EVEN THE STATE POLICE.

UNLESS COMPLAINTS ARE CALLED IN OF ISSUES AND THEN THEY DO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

BUT AS HAS BEEN STATED, IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S ISSUES, PLEASE REACH OUT.

PLEASE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE BEFORE THIS MEETING IS OVER.

SOME PHONE NUMBERS CAN BE EXCHANGED TO HOPEFULLY EASE YOUR MIND\ AND THE OTHER THING IS, A LOT OF THOSE TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE COUNTING NOW ARE GOING, AS YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASSUME, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DRIVEN AROUND.

AS SOON AS YOU CROSS INTO QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY, THERE'S TWO PITS UP THAT WAY.

YEAH. IF YOU MAKE A LEFT TO GO TOWARDS BALTIMORE CORNER AND BRIDGETOWN AREA.

THERE'S PITS THERE. WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THOSE AND THIS ONE? THOSE AREN'T DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. EXACTLY.

I SEE BEAUTIFUL FARMLAND AND NOW I'M GOING TO SEE A MINING PIT.

DO ANY OF YOU LIVE NEAR MINING? ABSOLUTELY. YOU DO? HOW CLOSE? WELL, I'M AROUND THE CORNER, AND I'VE GOT TO RIDE BY IT EVERY DAY.

YEAH. YOU HAVE TO RIDE BY [INAUDIBLE]. I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU IS, YOU KNOW, AS SAD AS IT IS, IF YOU'RE THAT UNHAPPY, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE ANY PROBLEMS SELLING YOUR PROPERTY IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE.

BUT THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY RECOURSE YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT.

I MEAN, IF BEING UNHAPPY IS IS GOING TO KEEP I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS GET MR. CARBAUGH TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER. SEE IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED THAT YOU HAVE.

I'M SURE HE'D BE WILLING TO LISTEN BECAUSE HE CLEARLY WANTS YOU TO BE A HAPPY NEIGHBOR, NOT AN UNHAPPY NEIGHBOR.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WHEN IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE.

THAT'S REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE. OKAY. SO THIS MINING FACILITY, HE'S NOT GOING TO TECHNICALLY BE STARTING ON IT UNTIL MAYBE A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T HE DIDN'T GIVE US A SPECIFIC HE HAS A TIMELINE, BUT HE'S GOING TO START BUILDING OUT BECAUSE HE HAS TO DO THINGS WITHIN THE LIFE OF THIS MINE IS APPROXIMATELY 25 YEARS OR LONGER, POTENTIALLY HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY.

AFTER THE MINE IS EXHAUSTED, IT BECOMES A BEAUTIFUL WATERFRONT PROPERTY THAT THEN THERE'S FARMLAND AROUND IT AND IT'S JUST ALL LAKE.

IT'S LIKE A MAN MADE LAKE AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU ARE ALONG WITH MERRITT CORNER, BUT, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY.

THE WATER LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. PROBABLY THE CLOSEST ONE TO YOU. THAT IS, IT IS ALMOST MOST COMPLETED BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD FROM THEM AND THEY WANTED TO GET PERMISSION TO MINE THE LAST FEW ACRES IS THE ONE OUT ON 312.

IT'S OUT ON 312. THAT IS ON YOUR. IF YOU LEFT YOUR HOUSE, TURN LEFT, TURN LEFT ON 312 AS YOU COME PAST SCHRADER'S.

YEP. AND SCHRADER IS ACTUALLY THE YOU KNOW, SCHRADER'S YEARS AGO, ALL THAT LAND HAS NOW BEEN MINED AND IS WATER IN THAT NEVER WAS YEARS AGO.

SO THAT HAS PROGRESSED INTO THAT AREA. I CAN TELL FROM THE SATELLITE PICTURES.

YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] HAVEN'T HELPED YOU ENOUGH. I'M SORRY THAT THIS SITUATION IS NOT A WELCOME FEELING TO YOU, BUT I'M HOPING THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. WELL, NO, I MEAN, IT'S BASED ON ZONING. IT'S BASED ON LAWS.

I MEAN, WE'RE HERE ARE HERE AS A BOARD LOOKING AT THESE LAWS AND THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY ZONING IS SET UP AND HE IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT ON HIS FARM, JUST LIKE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO LIVE ON YOUR PROPERTY AND DO WHAT YOU WANT ON YOURS. HE'S ALLOWED TO AS WELL.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT I SEE THAT THERE'S HUGE SAFETY CONCERNS OUT ON GOLDSBORO ROAD THAT EXIST, WITH OR WITHOUT THAT, I'M PRETTY SURE. YES, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EXACERBATED BY THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC BY PEOPLE HAVING TO SLOW DOWN FOR DUMP TRUCKS, TURNING IN, COMING OUT. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMS. WELL, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE WITH HOURS OF OPERATION, MAYBE SOME SIGNS.

SO HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE TONIGHT, MAYBE THINGS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SETTLED FOR YOU.

BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE? NO. IT'S OKAY. SO WE'RE CONSIDERING. I JUST THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE 200 FOOT, AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO 100 FOOT. WE ARE WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT YET. SO THAT PART IS COMING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. BUT IT'S NOT APPROVED AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. THAT'S I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO CONSIDER.

SO WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET. SO WE ARE WE CONSIDERED ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY? ARE WE WITHIN THAT 200FT RANGE? NO, I MEAN, YOU'RE DEPENDING.

DO EXHIBIT FIVE. I THINK IT'S SEVEN OF 17. AND THEN YOU CAN TELL US.

SHOW US WHERE YOU LIVE. I THINK I KNOW WHICH PROPERTY THEY'RE ON BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF.

YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF ALL BY YOURSELF OVER THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE. EXHIBIT FIVE, SEVEN OF 17.

LIKE YOU'RE DIRECTLY. YEAH. YOU'RE ACROSS. [INAUDIBLE].

AND THAT 200 FOOT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IT'S A 200 FOOT SETBACK FROM THEIR PROPERTY. NOT TO, YOU NO , IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED ON THEIR EXHIBIT FIVE, BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE PROPOSED AND IT SHOWS WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS.

I THINK WHAT PAGE OF EXHIBIT FIVE SEVEN OF 17.

THIS IS THE EXHIBIT. YOU GOT TO TURN BACK TO THE MINING PLAN.

WHICH PLAN ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHICH EXHIBIT? I CAN SHOW YOU ON THIS MAP. WELL, THAT'S FINE.

COME ON UP HERE. LET'S LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PAGES THERE TO GET THROUGH.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE. THERE. WE ARE HERE.

THIS IS HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE ARE ALL THIS.

THAT'S RIGHT ON THE MAIN. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST POINT OUT THAT.

THERE YOU GO. THEIR DRIVEWAY IS ALL THE WAY OVER HERE.

THE BEND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HERE AND THEN IT GOES A LITTLE BIT STRAIGHTER. THIS IS THE MAIN ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN AND OUT ABOUT THIS LADY HERE THAT I JUST MET TONIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT, THAT SHE'S GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS RIGHT IN HER FRONT YARD.

BUT AGAIN THEY'RE SETBACKS AND SUCH HAS TO DO WITH ON THE PERIMETER OF THEIR PROPERTY SORT OF PUTTING IN AND TAKING THE SHOULDER PUSHING THE SHOULDER BACK AND HAVING TO TURN. THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I DO HAVE YET BEFORE WE'RE FINISHED TONIGHT.

WE'RE CONSIDERING THOSE. [INAUDIBLE] THEN NOT ALLOWING A LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE, THAT'S A TURN LANE.

SO AT LEAST THEN IT'S THE TRUCK. YEAH. SOMETHING.

YEAH. 60. BECAUSE IT'S 50. I THINK THEY'RE TRYING.

60 SOME MILES PER HOUR. PEOPLE ARE FLYING DOWN.

OH, YEAH. WE KNOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHERS IN THE ROOM THAT HAVE OPPOSITION STATEMENTS OR CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS?

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[INAUDIBLE]. MY ADDRESS IS 25008 [INAUDIBLE] HENDERSON.

OKAY. WE ARE. YES. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. OKAY. AND JUST TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE.

YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO STAND.

I'M SORRY. YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. I'M GOOD TO STAND. OKAY. NOW, FIRST OFF, I AM GOING TO SAY WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO IT. WE'RE NOT THE HAPPIEST ABOUT IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THEIR FAMILY SOLD THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO. HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY HIS PROPERTY, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY OURS ALSO, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED. BUT EXHIBIT FOUR IS THE OURS.

OKAY. AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE A CONCERN. OKAY.

BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY OUR PRIVACY AND OUR QUIET TIME TOO.

WITH FAMILY, FRIENDS, WHATEVER AND IT'S 5:30PM.

OR DARK IS. CAN BE. WHAT TIME IS IT RIGHT NOW, LYNN? I THINK WHAT THEY MEAN. AND ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THIS IN THE PAST.

IT'S 5:30 DARK MEANING IN WINTER TIME WHEN IT GETS DARK A LITTLE SOONER, THEY'RE PROBABLY OPERATIONS WILL SHUT DOWN SOONER, BUT I KNOW WE NEED THAT CLARIFIED. BUT 5:30PM.

WOULD BE THE THE CUT OFF TIME. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR ROLLING THE HOURS OF OPERATION AT MERIT.

YOU HAVE TWO SHIFTS. YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE TWO SHIFTS AT MERIT? YEAH, THAT'S [INAUDIBLE]. YES, I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT GAME RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE SHIFT HERE.

OKAY. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, THE TIME OF 5:30AM.

WE HAD MERIT. WE STARTED FIVE. AND LIKE THIS MONTH, LIKE TWO MONTHS, TWO AND A HALF MONTHS.

WE SHUT DOWN AT SEVEN. BUT NEXT MONTH WE'LL START AND WORK FROM 5 TO 9.

WHAT WE DO AT MERIT. AM I RIGHT? THE WAY WE PUT IT THROUGH.

YEAH. BUT HERE, IT WON'T BE LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. WELL, THAT IS OUR MAIN CONCERN, BECAUSE I WILL SAY, AND I DID DISCUSS THIS WITH HIM ALREADY.

THEY HAD SOME SAND COMING IN FOR THEIR NEW AG BUILDING, AND THE GUY WAS THERE AT 5:30 A.M., BANGING THE TAILGATE, DROPPING THE SAND. I WORKED FOR SAND PIT YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE, BUT WHEN YOU WOKE UP OUT OF SLEEP GOING, WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? YOU KNOW, I HAD OTHER CHOICE WORDS WITH IT, TOO, BECAUSE KEVIN WOULDN'T LET ME CALL HIM AT 5:30 THAT MORNING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

WELL, WE DEFINITELY HEAR YOU AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

WE'VE MADE SOME. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALREADY PUT, NOT THAT IT HELPS A WHOLE LOT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALREADY PUT IS NO TAILGATE SLAMMING. I'VE BEEN THERE. YOU KNOW THAT? YEAH.

AND TAILGATE SLAMMING, ESPECIALLY AT 5:30 IN THE MORNING, WILL SCARE THE EVER LIVING BEJESUS OUT OF YOU.

YEAH. IT DOES. YOU KNOW, I STILL DO HAVE CONCERNS WHICH THE LOAD COUNT OR THE ROAD COUNT IS LOWER NOW THAN WHAT IT WAS. I STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE YOU CAN SIT AT THE END OF YOUR DRIVEWAY FOR QUITE A WHILE WITH DUMP TRUCKS, WITH TRACTOR TRAILERS, WITH REGULAR VEHICLES. THAT ROAD IS BEING USED MORE AND MORE FOR VACATIONERS HEADING HOME TO.

YES. YEAH AND THAT'S CONCERNING. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, THE STATE HIGHWAY IS A PLACE THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS BECAUSE REGARDLESS IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT THEY NEED TO BE MORE MINDFUL OF, THEY MAY PUT SOME LOWERED SPEED LIMITS THROUGH THERE.

THEY MAY DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT'S GOING ON THE ROADWAY AND WHAT THEY FEEL IS AN INHERENT RISK.

BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE SAID, THAT'S HIS RIGHT TO DO THAT THERE.

BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO STILL ENJOY OUR PROPERTY TO AS YOU SHOULD.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT SOME LOAD LIMITS.

RIGHT [INAUDIBLE]. WAS THERE WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAD AN OPPOSITION OR THAT WANTED TO CLARIFY ANYTHING? OR ARE THERE ANYBODY THAT'S IN FAVOR THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT?

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FIRST YOUR NAME AND JAMES LEWIS. I ACTUALLY, I DON'T RESIDE NEAR THERE, BUT I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THAT'S IT. OKAY. 16260 MANSPEAKER LANE. OKAY.

DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR DECLARE TO TAKE, TO AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE, THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. SO, LIKE I JUST MENTIONED, I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE TO THE NORTHEAST OF THIS.

[INAUDIBLE]. JUST AG LAND. I DON'T LIVE THERE.

THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY A HOUSE THERE. MY ONLY COMMENT.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS. HIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT HE WANTS AS LONG AS HE'S NOT BOTHERING ANYBODY ELSE. THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD DO AWAY WITH THE BUFFER COMPLETELY. LET EVERYBODY SEE THE WATER.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY HARDLY ANY WATERFRONT PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTY.

WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND LET EVERYBODY SEE WATERFRONT PROPERTY? THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. SO INSTEAD OF MORE BUFFERS, I THINK YOU'D DO LESS.

WHY WASTE MORE LAND? LET THEM DIG IT UP TO THE EDGE.

OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THANK YOU FOR SHARING, JIM.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANYBODY ELSE? PLEASE, SIR. IF YOU WOULD TELL.

GO AHEAD. AMY YEAGER FROM 101 MAPLE AVENUE IN GOLDSBORO, MARYLAND.

DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

THANK YOU. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M FOR THE SAND AND GRAVEL BUSINESS.

I LIVE RIGHT IN THE TOWN OF GOLDSBORO, AND I CAN CLEAR UP SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE.

I HAD A DREDGE, WHICH WAS DONE BY HARRY KOERNER, MIKE DAVIS AND SAND AND GRAVEL.

SOMETHING. IT WAS BASICALLY IN MY BACKYARD. I LIVED PROBABLY 800FT.

THEY HAD A DIESEL DREDGE RUNNING IN THERE, A WASH PLANT.

YES, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF NOISE, BUT I NEVER DID HEAR THE DREDGE RUN OR THE SOUND.

YOU WOULD HEAR THE BELTS CLICKING EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND I HAVEN'T WORKED WITH ROLAND OR R AND R FARMS, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH IF YOU GO TALK TO.

I'VE DEALT WITH CHENEY. I'VE DEALT WITH PATUXENT.

I'VE DEALT WITH ALL OF THEM. IF YOU GO TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STIRRING UP A LITTLE BIT OF DUST, CAN YOU DO THAT? MOST OF THE TIME, THE SAND AND GRAVEL BUSINESS WILL WORK WITH YOU, YOU KNOW AND FAR AS THE TRAFFIC I'VE LIVED IN GOES WHERE MY WHOLE LIFE. 54 YEARS AND THE TRAFFIC ITSELF HAS GROWN.

NOT BECAUSE OF THE SAND AND GRAVEL BUSINESS. IT'S JUST TRAFFIC IN GENERAL HAS GROWN.

I CAN I OWN A BUSINESS IN TOWN ALSO. I DRINK COFFEE THERE EVERY MORNING.

YOU CAN WATCH THEM GO THROUGH. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST IT. AND I HAVE WORKED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES.

LIKE I SAID, MY HOUSE IS WAS 700 FOOT. I MEASURED IT 700 FOOT FROM THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY TO WHERE THEY WERE DIGGING SAND. IT WAS IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S JOINED TRADE UP TO THE TOWN.

[INAUDIBLE]. RIGHT. AND FOR THE MOST PART, IF YOU.

JUST LIKE I SAID, I'VE NEVER WORKED WITH ROLAND, BUT CHENEY AND PATUXENT AND MIKEY, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GO TALK TO THEM. THEY WILL TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM.

RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? [INAUDIBLE] , PLEASE. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THESE TRUCKS ARE GOING.

AND I'LL TELL YOU, 65% OF THESE DUMP TRUCKS ARE GOING TO SAND TOWN LANDFILL.

I USED TO HAVE THAT CONTRACT FOR SIX YEARS. I TOOK 75 LOADS MINIMUM.

HAD TO GO THERE TO COVER THE TRASH AND WE NOW BRING CRUSHED CONCRETE OVER.

I HAVE THAT CONTRACT. WE GO IN THERE EVERY DAY AND DUMP CONCRETE FOR THE LANDFILL.

[INAUDIBLE] CONTRACT. BUT I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW WHAT SOME OF THESE TRUCKS GOT TO DO FOR A

[02:15:01]

I THOUGHT MAYBE IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR A LOT OF YOU TRUCKS, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A FEW SAND PITS IN THAT CIRCLE, RIGHT, TO COVER THAT TRASH, RIGHT? YOU KNOW. RIGHT.

AND IT TAKES 75 TO 100 LOADS A DAY JUST TO COVER THE TRASH, YOU KNOW? SO THIS IS A TRASH. IT'S A TRASH PROBLEM. IS IT ROLLING? I DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO LIGHT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.

THANK YOU. IS THERE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE EARLIER ABOUT TAILGATE SLAMMING.

WE DO HAVE SOME PROPOSED SIGNAGE THAT'S GOING TO GO UP ON SITE THAT ADDRESSES THOSE THINGS.

PERFECT. SUCH AS TRUCK STACKING, TAILGATE SLAMMING.

[INAUDIBLE]. ALL A PART OF IT [INAUDIBLE] . THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE CONCERNS AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW. FIVE 3630 IN THE MORNING, YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR BANG BANG FROM THOSE.

IT CAN BE VERY JOLTING WHEN YOU'RE ASLEEP. I UNDERSTAND, SO THAT HELPS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. AND THOSE ARE A PART OF THE PLAN THAT SEAN HAS PUT TOGETHER.

CORRECT? GOOD. AND A LOT OF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN YOU'VE JUST SEEN WHAT WE'VE FLIPPED THROUGH.

BUT THE BIG IF YOU HAVE YOUR BIG ONE UP HERE, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK, I'M SURE THEY CAN WALK UP AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AND FLIP THROUGH IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. BUT IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY MORE OPPOSITION OR ANY MORE THAT ARE IN FAVOR THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW? IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY START ASKING OUR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE DELIBERATE.

CORRECT. SO THAT'S IT FROM THE AUDIENCE. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I DO, OKAY, LET'S FIRE THEM AWAY.

WELL, I WANT TO GO BACK TO MISS COLERIDGE. OKAY.

AND PLEASE DON'T THINK I DON'T. I'M NOT. IT'S NOT A DISTRUST SITUATION WITH YOU, BUT I WANT TO HEAR IT FROM THEM.

THE 100 FOOT. CHANGING IT FROM A 200 FOOT BUFFER TO A 100 FOOT BUFFER.

YOU'RE A NEIGHBOR THAT'S GOING TO DIRECTLY AFFECT YOU.

DID YOU AGREE ON THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.

OKAY. LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT IT'S NOT A DISTRUST THING.

I JUST WANTED TO HEAR IT OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.

RIGHT. ABOUT THE REDUCED BUFFER SETBACK. WE DISCUSSED THAT.

GOOD. AND IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT IF DOWN THE ROAD, WE FELT THAT WE NEEDED MORE OF A BUFFER, HE WOULD DO THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST WE HAVE IN SOME AREAS WE HAVE ALLOWED THE BUFFER TO BE REDUCED WHEN IT DID NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND WE ALSO HAVE BESIDES JUST PLANTING OF TREES, WE'VE ASKED FOR LIKE AN EIGHT FOOT BERM TO BE BUILT. AND I KNOW THAT THEY TESTIFIED THAT THERE'S NO DIRT THERE REALLY TO DO THAT, BUT FOR THE REDUCTION OF NOISE, TO HAVE EIGHT FOOT OF DIRT WITH TREES ON TOP OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOME THINGS I WANTED TO HEAR RIGHT FROM YOU GUYS.

YOU'RE HERE. SO I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU. MY OTHER QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO DIRECT, I THINK, TOWARDS SHOWING IT.

PLEASE DON'T THINK IT'S IGNORANCE THAT I DIDN'T READ THE STUFF, BUT THE STATE HIGHWAY REPORT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT DIESEL, A DIESEL.

HOW MUCH WORK OUT ON THE STATE HIGHWAY HAS TO BE DONE TO.

WAS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STATE TO DO A DIESEL LANE FOR TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO TURN IN THERE TO BUILD THE ROAD UP SO IT DIDN'T START CRUMBLING FROM TRUCKS ROLLING IN AND OUT? I KNOW THAT THE LANE ITSELF IS GOING TO GET BLACKTOP TO A CERTAIN DISTANCE IN, BUT THAT'S NOT I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] . SO BASICALLY THEY'VE ENGINEERED FOR YOU WHAT YOU MUST BUILD TO. [INAUDIBLE] . OKAY. SO UNDERSTAND THAT ANY CONCERNS YOU HAVE ABOUT TRAFFIC, IT'S REALLY THE STATES.

IT'S THE BURDEN OF THE STATE TO BASICALLY SUPPORT YOUR CONCERNS AS ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

IF YOU SEE IT BECOME A PROBLEM, THE STATE HIGHWAY IS WHO YOU HAVE TO GO TO.

[02:20:03]

WE CAN ASK FOR SIGNS AND SUCH AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP.

YEAH. SO THAT EXTRA CLARIFICATION WAS BROUGHT BECAUSE ONE OF THE CRAZIEST THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE WAS WHEN GREENSBORO FIRE COMPANY BUILT THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THEY HAD TO WIDEN THE SHOULDER AND PUT A BIKE LANE THE WIDTH OF THEIR PROPERTY WHEN THERE WAS NO OTHER BIKE LANE ANYWHERE ON THAT HIGHWAY WAS JUST BEYOND MY LEVEL OF BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ANYTHING THAT THEY DECIDED TO DO.

RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE] ALL THE TIME. [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT.

[INAUDIBLE] AND THEN ADDRESS THE CONCERN [INAUDIBLE] . WE UNDERSTAND. YEAH. OKAY. AND I'M NOT DONE.

OKAY. I WANT TO CARRY ON. AS FAR AS HOURS OF THE OPERATION, 05:30AM.

WELL, WAIT. [INAUDIBLE] WELL, 5:30 A.M. TRUCKS WILL START ROLLING IN.

NO. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING NEAR YOU.

BASICALLY, WHAT TIME DO YOU. MY TRUCKS NOW DON'T COME IN TILL 7:00.

OKAY. 7AM OKAY. SO 5:30AM IS BASICALLY HOURS OF YOUR EMPLOYEES GETTING THERE, FUELING UP, GREASING UP, GETTING THINGS READY. WE LIKE TO BE HERE AT LEAST AN HOUR BEFORE TRUCKS COME IN.

GIVE US TIME, TO GET READY. EQUIPMENT, CHECK IT OVER.

CHECK THE PLANNER, CHECK THE SCREEN. CHECK THE SHAKERS OUT.

CHECK THINGS OUT. IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE. YEAH.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT TAKES US TWO HOURS BEFORE WE CAN GET GOING BECAUSE YOU GOTTA BREAK DOWN OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'VE LOST A WHOLE DAY, YOU KNOW? ONCE WE DO OUR WALK AROUND, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM.

WE DON'T EAT SOME DAYS WE DON'T EVEN GET TO RUN.

YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO MAKE THAT TIME UP, AND SO ARE YOU GOING TO BE OKAY? I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SUGGEST THAT IN THIS OPERATION HOURS THAT YOUR 5:30AM OPENING HOURS DOES NOT ALLOW FOR TRUCKS UNTIL 7.

WE COME 5:00. [INAUDIBLE] . OF COURSE. [INAUDIBLE].

AND LOADED BY 3:00, AND THEY GO HOME BECAUSE THEN GUYS LEAVE TWO IN THE MORNING.

YEAH. THEY'VE GOT TO GET UP FOR THE NEXT AND THEY LOAD UP SO THEY CAN START THE NEXT DAY WITH THEIR LOAD AND GET GOING.

YEAH. MY BIGGEST CONCERN AT MY PLACE IS AT 7:00 AND I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT UP FRONT WE HAVE A SCHOOL BUS GO BY OUR PLACE AND WE KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS AND WE WON'T LET THEM TRUCKS GO OUT UNTIL THAT BUS GOES BY AND YOUR CONCERN FOR CHILDREN AND SAFETY FOR THE SCHOOL BUS.

WE LET IT GO BY. COULD WE FALL ON THAT SCHOOL BUS TIME WHEN WE OPEN UP AT SEVEN? RIGHT. AND A LOT OF TIMES THE BUS MIGHT BE TEN AFTER GOING BY.

BUT JACK, WE WON'T LET THEM GO. THEY'LL JUST SIT THERE AND THERE WE GO.

WAIT A FEW MINUTES. RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S A RESPONSIBLE APPROACH.

I MEAN, THAT THE KIDS GOT TO GO TO SCHOOL. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYWAY, I KIND OF FEEL.

ONCE I GET OVER, GET GOING. I'LL SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ROADS.

TRAFFIC. MAKE SURE PEOPLE GO TO WORK BY EIGHT.

YOU KNOW AND IN SCHOOL, BUSSES ARE PRETTY MUCH GONE.

YOU KNOW, AND ALL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOW THE BUSSES ARE, BUT WE HAVE SOME VERY STRICT RULES HERSELF.

WE HAVE CAMERAS IN OUR TRUCKS AND ALL. WE GOT IT ON OUR DRIVERS AND NO TRUCKS.

NONE OF MY TRUCKS. I WENT ON BACK ROAD. ZERO FOR TWO REASONS.

THE BACK ROADS ARE SO ROUGH, IT TEARS IN TRUCKS OFF, AND IT CAUSES A LOT OF MONEY TO REPAIR THEIR TRUCKS.

RIGHT. AND MY TRUCKS ARE ALL NEW. PRETTY MUCH ALL NEW TRUCKS.

I'VE GOT OLDER TRUCKS THAT WE RUN LOCAL JUST TO HAUL LIME TO THE FARMERS.

RIGHT, AND BUT THEIR TRUCKS ARE MADE TO GO BALTIMORE WAY OVER LONG PERIODS.

WE DO BACK ROAD CREW. WE CAN'T MAKE TIME ON BACK ROAD.

WE'RE ON A TIME LIMIT. THEY CAN ONLY DRIVE SO MANY HOURS.

RIGHT. AND PRETTY MUCH ALL MY GUYS BETWEEN 2 AND 3, IT'S GOT TO BE OFF THE ROAD.

OKAY. THEY LEAVE TWO AND THREE IN THE MORNING.

RIGHT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW. OKAY, SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE END OF DAY IS MORE ABOUT, LIKE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO 5 OR 6, IT'S MAINLY TO FINISH DOING STUFF IN-HOUSE WORK.

IT'S NOT THE TRUCKS COME IN AND OUT. WOULD BE MY MAIN THING.

[02:25:02]

RIGHT. YEAR ROUND ON A SAND PLANT. BECAUSE IT'S WIRING ALL THE TIME.

RIGHT. I MEAN, I SPEND A LOT OF MONEY REBUILDING AND REBUILDING, AND IT'S JUST A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO ON SITE.

WE RUN SO HARD BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH SAND TO SATISFY ON OUT HERE.

RIGHT. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO TEAR THE PLANT DOWN AND REBUILD IT.

BUT WE SHOULD CARRY THE PLANT DOWN EVERY YEAR FOR ALL NEW BELTS, ALL NEW BARROLL, AND JUST FOR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

IT'S. AND THE PROBLEM? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PITS AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU AND IF WE DON'T GET SOME MORE PITS, WE NEED PITS. IF WE DON'T GET THEM, YOU GET READY TO SEE CONCRETE.

PROBABLY $400 A YARD, BECAUSE SAND IS GOING TO GO OFF THE ROCKER.

YEAH. AND IT'S. I CAN SEE THAT. AND IT'S I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

THEY AIN'T GOING TO BE NO COVER TO COVER COVERED LANDFILLS.

YOU KNOW, YOU GOT 3 OR 4 LANDFILLS, YOU KNOW, AND I HAD THAT CONTRACT FOR SIX YEARS BECAUSE I HAD A BUNCH OF JUNK DIRT AND WE THAT WAS A WELL, SHOOT 11 OR 12 YEARS AGO.

AND I HAD TO HAUL A MINIMUM OF 75 LOADS IN A DAY, A MINIMUM, AND IT WAS ALL WE COULD DO TO GET 75 DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING AND ALL.

WELL, WE THANK YOU. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND I GUESS, ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM YOU, MIKE? I KNOW, BEN, YOU'VE GOT SOME. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M DONE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. HOW ABOUT YOU, BEN? YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS I NEED TO CHECK OFF WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH.

OKAY. YOU GOT SOME? WELL, NO. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THE ISSUES WITH THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE ONE ISSUE.

AND I THINK THE STATE HIGHWAY HAS MORE TO DO WITH THAT THAN WE CAN.

BUT I FEEL LIKE SIGNAGE AND STUFF COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S HANDLED, BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, A STATE HIGHWAY THING.

UNLESS IT'S SIGNAGE THAT'S INSIDE THE PLANT LEAVING THE PLANT.

AND I DO WANT SOME CLARITY ABOUT THAT ROUTE OF TRAFFIC FROM WHAT I SAW.

MAYBE. SEAN, YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS. IS IT A RIGHT TURN ONLY, OR IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO GO RIGHT OR LEFT? IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO GO RIGHT OR LEFT, BUT GENERALLY THE TRAFFIC IS 80% TO THE RIGHT.

OKAY. SO THE LEFT HAND TURN IS GOING TO BE A POSSIBILITY.

YES. BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE LEFT HAND TURN CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF IT'S A MINIMAL AMOUNT, YOU KNOW. WE'RE KIND OF BEYOND THAT WITH WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT.

OKAY. GO AHEAD WITH HOW MANY TRUCKS CAN BE IN THAT ROUNDABOUT THERE WITH COMING IN? THAT'S THE HOURS AND THEN THEY JUST SAID SANDTOWN USES SO MUCH AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT NOW. BUT WHAT IF THEY GET THE CONTRACT FOR THAT? HOW WILL THAT BE WITH THE LEFT HAND TRUCK? THAT'S AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS ADDRESSED IF IT HAPPENS AND THEN IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, THEN THE STATE HIGHWAY WOULD CERTAINLY BE THE PERSON TO BE THE PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO IF YOU SEE CONCERNS ON THE ROADWAY.

I MEAN, AND I THINK, ROLAND WOULD BE WANTING TO ADDRESS THAT IF IT BECAME AN ISSUE.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN, A LEFT HAND TURN IS JUST IT'S ABOUT YOU'VE GOT COMING, YOU'VE GOT THINGS GOING THIS WAY AND THAT WAY, AND YOU'RE A DUMP TRUCK. YOU'RE UP HIGH, YOU CAN SEE THINGS.

THAT'S ONE BENEFIT TO A DUMP TRUCK. YOU'RE SITTING UP, YOU CAN SEE FOR QUITE A WAYS DOWN EITHER SIDE.

AND MOST OF THEM, THEY KNOW THEY GOT TO GET OUT.

AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT. IF THEY'RE LOADED THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PULL RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY. GENERALLY SPEAKING I MEAN IT HAPPENS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO GET OUT. AND THEN YOU JUST GOT TO PAY ATTENTION.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SHE DID ASK, HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE INSIDE WAITING TO BE? YEAH, WAITING TO BE LOADED. HOW MUCH WILL THEY STACK UP AND I KNOW THAT'S A HARD ONE TO ANSWER BECAUSE SOME DAYS MIGHT BE MORE THAN OTHERS.

WE AVERAGE DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THEY COME IN. WE WON'T.

I WON'T LET THEM COME IN THE PIT. THEY DON'T COME IN THE PIT AT ALL.

THEY PARK DOWN THE ROAD AND IT'S USUALLY 2 OR 3 DOWN THERE, BUT PRETTY MUCH EVERY TIME THEY GO, OVER TIME THEY GET BACK. IT'S ABOUT 7:00 WHEN THEY GET BACK.

WE DON'T WANT TO STACK THEM ON THE HIGHWAY. YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO STACK THEM OUT ON THE HIGHWAY SO INSTEAD OF THEM STACKING THERE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT MERRITT, BUT HOPEFULLY THE HAUL ROAD IS A LITTLE BIGGER HERE,

[02:30:01]

RIGHT. BUT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET UP IN THERE BECAUSE TRUCK DRIVERS DO STACK UP.

THEY THEY WANT TO BE IN AND OUT. NOW I RUN A LOT OF ROAD TRUCKS.

I HAVE OUTSIDERS, BUT IT'S GETTING TO BE NO OUTSIDERS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO OWN TRUCKS, RIGHT? AND IF I HAD MY WAY, I WOULDN'T OWN A TRUCK LOL.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT COSTS SO MUCH. IT'S NO MONEY IN TRUCKING.

$0. AND THERE'S ONLY ONE MAN KNOWS HOW TO RUN A TRUCKING COMPANY I THINK.

AND THAT WAS HAULING FOR HIM. AND HE DOES HAUL OUT OF MY PIT AND PMI.

IT TOOK HIM OVER. AND THEY KNOW HOW TO RUN A COMPANY A TRUCKING COMPANY.

BUT THEY WERE $0. AND I'D RATHER HAVE NO TRUCK.

BUT YOU CAN'T FIND TRUCKS. YEAH I MEAN WE TURNED DOWN EVERY DAY LOADS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HANDLE.

YEAH WE GOT 60 LOADS OF STONE. GOT TO GO TO EASTON RIGHT NOW.

CAN'T GET IT. BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW WHEN I'M GOING TO GET IT.

YOU KNOW WE BRING A LOT OUT OF HARRISBURG. WE GO TO HARRISBURG EVERY DAY.

30 TRUCKS GO UP THERE. LEBANON. 25. GO UP THERE.

FREDERICK. BALTIMORE. YEAH. WE GO CLEAR OUT THE PCH.

CLEAR ON OUT TO FREDERICK AND OUT TO HARPER'S FERRY.

EVERY DAY THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE 30 LOADS. JUST CAN'T GET IT.

YEAH. IT'S JUST MATERIAL IS VERY SCANT. YOU CAN'T FIND IT.

SO HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP TRUCKS FROM STACKING ON THE HIGHWAY, THEN? IF YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO LET TWO IN THE PIT. THEY WOULD JUST GO BY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DO NOW. THEY'LL JUST GO UP TO THE STORE IN BERKELEY OR AND THEN TURN AROUND AND COME BACK.

YOU JUST RIDE UNTIL THEY. THAT'S AGAINST THE STATE LAW.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE DON'T WANT STACKING ON THE HIGHWAY ALREADY.

KNOW WHAT TIME WE OPEN AND HAD A LOT OF THEM WILL STOP AT ROYAL FARM DOWN TO KENT ISLAND, AND THEY'LL SIT THERE AND WATCH THE CLOCK, GET THEIR COFFEE AND THEN GO ON. YOU KNOW, SO THEY HAVE LIKE A TIME THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW UP AND GET LOADED, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. DO THEY HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON.

NO. YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE EACH TRUCK DRIVER MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT TIME.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SHOW UP TO GET LOADED, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. OKAY. THEY DON'T ALL COME IN.

THE GUYS FROM PENNSYLVANIA, THEY DON'T SHOW UP TILL 9:00.

YOU KNOW, THE GUYS FROM THE WESTERN SHORE, THEY.

IF THEY GO INTO ROCKVILLE, THEY THE FIRST ONES, THEY COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AND.

BUT THE ONES THAT GO OUT TO FREDERICK, THEY'RE A LITTLE LATER, YOU KNOW.

SO IT'S A STAGGERED THING. IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYBODY'S GETTING THERE RIGHT AT SEVEN, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. A LOT OF THEM, RIDE IN THREES, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. RIDING THREES AND THANK YOU.

MOST OF THEIR TRUCKS RIDE IN THREES MY GUY. BUT WE GOT HALF OF THEM GOING TO PENNSYLVANIA AND HALF GOING ACROSS THE CREEK.

THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. CAN I MAKE A JUST A QUICK COMMENT ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, IF STATE HIGHWAY WERE OKAY AND COULD APPROVE SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE, I MEAN, YOU COULD MAKE THAT A CONDITION, BUT YOU CAN'T STACK IT ON THE ROAD. YES. SEAN IS CORRECT.

YOU CAN'T NO STACKING. YOU CAN'T STACK IT ON PUBLIC RIGHT ANYWAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT MEANT FOR BEING PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, BUT WE COULD REACH OUT TO STATE HIGHWAY TO SEE IF THEY HAVE SIGNAGE THAT IS AVAILABLE THAT IS STANDARD FOR THEM, RIGHT, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU COULD CONDITION THAT. YEAH, BUT I WILL JUST PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT THAT STATE HIGHWAY HAS DONE A VERY THOROUGH REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION.

ALL THE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR THE ENTRANCE THAT LANE ENGINEERING PROVIDED WERE ALL TO ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS FOR WHAT WAS REQUIRED.

MINIMUM WIDTH, YOU KNOW, HOW IT HAD TO BE PAVED.

THEY HAVE REVIEWED EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC COUNTS.

THEY'VE REVIEWED THE SITE DISTANCES, THEY VERIFIED SOME CLARIFY.

THEY'VE ACTUALLY CLARIFIED QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD ON THEIR DESIGN MANUAL, ON SITE DISTANCE.

SO ALL THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. STATE HIGHWAY HAS APPROVED THIS SET OF PLANS AS PROPOSED.

SO THE NEXT STEP FOR THEM WOULD BE TO APPLY FOR AN ENTRANCE PERMIT.

SO THEY HAVE APPROVED IT AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO.

OKAY. SO IF THEY HAD ANY CONDITIONS THAT THEY WANTED TO THROW IN AS FAR AS WIDENING THE ROAD THERE OR PUTTING IN SOME SORT OF ACCESS LANE, OR THEY WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT. THEY WOULD HAVE.

THEY'VE ALREADY HAD TO ADDRESS THAT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY.

DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE I MEAN, ARE WE READY NOW TO ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DO WE WANT TO I MEAN, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, I HAVE BIG CONCERNS ABOUT THE 200 FOOT VERSUS 100 FOOT AND I'LL BE HONEST,

[02:35:02]

WHY IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH SHOULD WE SAY, OKAY, WE'LL JUST REDUCE THAT TO 100FT.

OTHER THAN I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MINING IS AN ISSUE AND WE WANT TO GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

BUT WHY THEN, DID THE COUNTY SAY WE WANT A 200 FOOT SETBACK? WHAT WAS THEIR PURPOSE IN ALL OF THAT? AND AREN'T WE UNDERMINING THE ZONING OF THE COUNTY BY SAYING, OH, WE'LL JUST OH, WELL, WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. WE'LL JUST LET YOU HAVE 100 AND THEN IS IT EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT COMES IN HERE THAT'S GOING TO SAY, OH, WELL, WE WANT TO HAVE OURS REDUCED. AND THEN \ARE WE MAKING A PRECEDENCE BY ALLOWING THAT.

THAT'S MY CONCERN. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IF WE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, THEN WE SET A PRECEDENCE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO COME BACK AND SAY, OH, YOU MADE US STICK WITH THIS.

AND THE NEXT FACILITY TO GO. YOU LET THEM DO IT.

YOU GOT TO LET US DO IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE COUNTY PUT 200FT AS A SETBACK, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT.

AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE LIKE, WELL, IT'S OKAY, BUT MY THOUGHT IS THIS WHAT IF YOU'RE NOT THE NEIGHBOR FOREVER? WHAT IF THE NEXT NEIGHBOR COMES IN, LIKE OUR NEW DELAWARE FRIEND WHO MAYBE WANTS TO BUY THAT SAME PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, GEEZ, I DIDN'T HAVE A VOTE IN IT. WHY? WHY DID THEY ALLOW THIS TO COME WITHIN 100FT? IT'S CLOSER TO THE EDGE, IT'S CLOSER TO THE WHATEVER AND I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A PROBLEM GOING FORWARD.

THAT'S MY CONCERN. WELL, YOU GOT SOME NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T CARE OR ARE OKAY WITH IT, BUT YOU PROBABLY HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT AREN'T.

AND THEN BACK TO THE 200 FOOT SETBACK, SCHUSTER'S PIT.

IT WAS LESS BECAUSE OF THE HAUL. ROAD ATE UP SO MUCH.

NEXT TO THAT. I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A REASON OTHER THAN WE WANT TO GET EVERY INCH OF OUR.

I MEAN, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE LIKE LIKE JIM SAID, WE SHOULD JUST LET YOU GO ALL THE WAY, FORGET THE SETBACKS, JUST GO ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE LAND AND JUST GET EVERY OUNCE OF IT.

I THINK THERE'S A REASON WHY SETBACKS ARE PUT IN PLACE, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY 200 WAS WHAT THE COUNTY PUT IN PLACE.

MAYBE. SEAN, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THE 200 WAS PUT IN PLACE.

CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? I BELIEVE THE PRIOR ORDINANCE SAID 20FT OR A SAFE DISTANCE.

SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY. SO IT WAS KIND OF VERY OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION.

YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A SAFE DISTANCE. OKAY.

THERE WAS A LOT OF MINING PROJECTS IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY AT THE TIME.

SOME OF THEM WERE CONTROVERSIAL. OKAY. I BELIEVE IT WAS A PENALTY MEASURE TO SOME DEGREE.

OKAY. THAT THE COMMISSIONERS LAID DOWN THAT 200FT AT THAT TIME.

OKAY. BUT THE ONE IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IS THIS EFFICIENCY.

OH, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT ASPECT. YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE 10% OF THIS FARM INTO SETBACKS, AND THAT MATERIAL IS GOING TO BE STRANDED FOREVER.

RIGHT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT FARM, NEXT TO THE NEXT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO MOVE IN, RIGHT. AND HAVE THE SAME SITUATION ALL OVER AGAIN.

[INAUDIBLE] . RIGHT. AND STATE LAW SAYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO EFFICIENTLY USE THOSE FINITE RESOURCES.

RIGHT AND I HEARD THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WAS IT 200 AND THERE'S NO SCIENCE BEHIND IT? OKAY. SO ALL I CAN SAY IS WHEN WE PUT A MORATORIUM IN PLACE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO UPDATE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SO AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE CREATED THE MINERAL RESOURCES ELEMENT, WHICH SHAWN READ FROM EARLIER.

AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE DETERMINED THAT WE WERE GOING TO ESTABLISH SOME STANDARDS BECAUSE OUR REGULATIONS FOR MINING PITS WAS ABOUT THIS LONG IN THE CODE BEFORE, RIGHT? DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER REAL SETBACKS OTHER THAN YOUR STANDARD ZONING SETBACKS, WHICH WE KNOW FOR A FACT WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH NOISE AND DUST.

RIGHT? THAT'S WHY SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE PUT IN PLACE. NOW, HOW THEY CAME TO BE AT 200, I DON'T KNOW. WHAT I DO KNOW IS A WORK GROUP WAS PUT TOGETHER, THAT THEY WORKED ON THIS FOR MONTHS, TRYING TO COME UP WITH REGULATIONS FOR SETBACKS.

WHAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED FOR SCREENING? I'M UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE SETBACK HAS TO DO MORE WITH NOISE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

OKAY. AND AS THEY TESTIFIED WITH THEIR STANDARD EQUIPMENT, THAT EVEN AT 150FT, THEY'RE AT 60 DECIBEL, YOU'RE REAL CLOSE TO GETTING TOWARDS YOUR WHAT'S ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, SO OBVIOUSLY REDUCING THAT BEYOND THE 200FT.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. OKAY.

[02:40:02]

RIGHT. WE CAN'T HAVE NEIGHBORS CALLING AND SAYING, THERE.

IT'S SO LOUD. AND WE GO OUT THERE. WELL, NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM WHERE WE'VE APPROVED SOMETHING THAT SO WE CAN'T EVEN ENFORCE.

SO ARE YOU SAYING BASED ON THIS THOUGH, IS IT IS THIS WITHIN THE 200 OR IS IT WITHIN THE 100? SO THEY SHOW THE LOCATION OF WHERE IT IS. IT'S AT 63.

IT'S GETTING CLOSE. LOOK HOW CLOSE IT. YOU GOT A NEIGHBOR RIGHT THERE.

YEAH, BUT THAT'S. THE WORK GROUP WAS PUT TOGETHER TO ESTABLISH THE REGULATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T PART OF THAT WORK GROUP. I CREATED SOME OF THE MAPS THAT WERE USED AS AN ANALYSIS FOR SOME OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES, BUT WASN'T PRIVY TO SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT IT WAS MONTHS OF PUTTING THOSE REGULATIONS TOGETHER.

NOW, THE 200 FOOT, THE REDUCTION ASPECT OF THAT, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT WAS THE EXISTING FACILITIES HAD TONS OF EXISTING ACTIVE PITS AND SO THE REGULATIONS STATE THAT IF YOU HAD AN ACTIVE MD ISSUED PERMIT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW REGS.

RIGHT. SO ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES WE HAD THE FAULKNER PROPERTY ON BRIDGETOWN ROAD, THEY HAD AN APPROVED SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION PRIOR TO US ADOPTING THOSE REGS.

SO THEY FALL UNDER THE OLD ORDINANCE. NOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD TO DO WAS UPGRADE BRIDGETOWN ROAD BECAUSE IT WAS A DIRT ROAD.

SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS INVOLVED WITH THAT TYPICALLY ARE NOT INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER MINES.

OKAY. BUT THEY STILL HAVE SCREENING. THEY STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE NEW REGS REQUIRE.

I SAY NEW NOW THEY'RE FROM 2018. BUT AT THE TIME THAT'S WHY THAT WAS IN THERE.

THAT'S WHY THE BRAMBLE PIT. THAT'S WHY THE BOARD GRANTED APPROVALS FOR THAT.

THAT'S WHY ON RICK BREEDING PROPERTY, THEY HAD THE EXISTING FACILITIES AND IT WAS EXISTING.

IT WASN'T BRAND NEW. THAT WAS THE INTENT. OBVIOUSLY, WOOD FARM'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

BRAND NEW PIT. BUT THERE WAS A REASON WHY AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE BOARD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WANTED AN ENTRANCE AS CLOSE TO SAY HI AS POSSIBLE.

THE PROBLEM WAS, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY HAD TO CREATE THIS REALLY LONG HAUL ROAD WHICH DID EAT UP QUITE A BIT OF GROUND.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY ALLOWED THAT REDUCTION ON THAT NEW FACILITY.

BUT THE INTENT BEHIND THAT WAS FOR EXISTING FACILITIES.

OKAY. AND THIS IS A NEW ONE RATHER THAN EXISTING.

SO I GUESS THAT'S MY MAIN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW.

I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THE SETBACK. I DON'T I KIND OF GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AND DECIDED TO CREATE A MINING OPERATION THERE, THEY WERE AWARE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, SO I FEEL THAT WAY. YEAH, I THINK ROLAND ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2017.

YEAH, WELL, THAT'S WHY I SAY PRIOR. PRIOR? YEAH.

WHEN HE DECIDED TO MAKE IT A MINING OPERATION, NOT WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, BUT WHEN HE DECIDED TO MAKE A MINING OPERATION THERE.

WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THEY ASKED ME WHATEVER I DO, AS LONG AS I DIDN'T BUILD A CHICKEN HOUSE AND I PUT IT IN THE DEED THAT I WOULD NOT BUILD A CHICKEN OUT, RIGHT.

I MADE IT CLEAR. YEAH, I MADE IT VERY CLEAR. OKAY.

I WOULDN'T BUILD A HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THANK YOU.

WELL, THOSE HAVE A 200 FOOT SETBACK, TOO. THERE YOU GO.

ARE YOU STILL IN THAT BUSINESS? WELL, DO WE HAVE MORE TO DISCUSS, OR DO WE WANT TO GO TO DELIBERATION AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS IF WE NEED TO? I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO GO INTO SOME DELIBERATION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. EVERYTHING I GOT IS CONDITIONS.

ALRIGHTY. WELL, THEN I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL START ON THAT.

[* Deliberation]

YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY MOVE INTO DELIBERATION AND AT THIS POINT, IF EVERYBODY COULD JUST REMAIN QUIET UNLESS WE CALL ON YOU FOR CLARITY.

BUT NO FURTHER TESTIMONY CAN BE GIVEN AT THIS POINT.

IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES AND TALK ABOUT THINGS AMONGST OURSELVES BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE A DECISION ON THINGS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE SPECIAL THE CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL ARE, AS THEY WERE EARLIER A WRITTEN APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND THAT WAS EXHIBIT THREE. THE APPLICATION IS 24-0026 AND THERE WAS A DEFINITELY A DULY ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING ON 35 AND 312. I MEAN SORRY. 312. 35 AND 312.

[02:45:04]

YEAH. AND THE BOARD HAS CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING PRINCIPLES.

WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL OR TO OR ENDANGER THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR GENERAL WELFARE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. WHILE WE WHILE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE THINGS, I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH EVIDENCE AND SUFFICIENT INFORMATION PROVIDED TO SECURE THE FACT THAT IT SHOULDN'T CAUSE ANY MAJOR DISTURBANCE TO THE AREA. PUBLIC HEALTH, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

THERE'S NO WE'RE NOT USING ANY OF THE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT USING PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER OR ANY OF THAT.

AS FAR AS SAFETY, THE ROAD IS THE MAIN SAFETY ISSUE, BUT THAT'S REALLY A STATE HIGHWAY ISSUE AND THE GENERAL WELFARE.

I THINK THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ARE ABOUT SOUND AND OTHER THINGS, WHICH SEEM TO BE WITHIN THE RANGE OF WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

THE CONCERNS THAT OTHERS HAVE ABOUT SIGNAGE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE DISCUSS.

ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE CONTROLLED BY STATE HIGHWAY.

I MEAN, INSIDE ON THE HIGHWAY ABOUT TRUCKS ENTERING AND EXIT HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS OR MAYBE PUT SOME PARAMETERS IN THERE TO IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THE STATE COULD DO TO INDICATE TRUCKS ENTERING OR WHATEVER, EXITING THE HIGHWAY, JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME ADVANCE NOTICE.

COMING UP ON THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO TO PUT IN AS A CONDITION.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU GUYS? YEAH. OKAY.

ARE WE SOMEBODY KEEPING NOTES ON THESE CONDITIONS? I ALREADY GOT THAT. OKAY. GOOD JOB.

AND THEN I'M BE WILL NOT BE INJURIOUS TO THE PEACEFUL AND USE PEACEFUL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISH OR IMPAIR PROPERTY VALUES.

WELL, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY BY FITZ, I THINK WE CAN PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE IN OUR COUNTY AND IN MULTIPLE COUNTIES ON THE EASTERN SHORE, AS HAS BEEN TESTIFIED TO FOR PROPERTY VALUES, PROPERTY VALUES AS FAR AS THE PEACEFUL AND IT'S A PERMITTED USE.

IT'S A PERMITTED USE, RIGHT. AS LONG AS SOUND DECIBEL STAY WITHIN CONTROL.

AND HOPEFULLY SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS ADDRESS WILL HELP WITH THAT.

I AGREE ALSO. OKAY. C WILL NOT IMPEDE THE NORMAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY FOR USES PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. WELL, CLEARLY IT'S NOT A DUNKIN DONUTS ISSUE.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE WALMART DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS AN APPROVED USE.

THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF EFFORT AND TIME AND MONEY PUTTING TOGETHER EVERYTHING TO MEET ALL THE ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR THAT USE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ANY ISSUE EITHER.

[INAUDIBLE] . WELL, NOT OVERBURDEN EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITIES, INCLUDING SCHOOLS, POLICE, FIRE PROTECTION, WATER, SEWERAGE, PUBLIC ROADS, STORM DRAINAGE AND OTHER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THE STORM DRAINAGE ISSUES BEEN ADDRESSED. [INAUDIBLE] WEIGHED IN ON THAT AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS THAT EXHIBIT? WHAT FROM MDE ABOUT THAT? ABOUT THE STORM DRAINAGE AND STUFF.

THAT'S ONE THAT WE CAN PUT IN THAT CATEGORY. THE STORM WATER REPORT.

EXHIBIT SIX. SO WE CAN SAY THAT HELPED THAT. AND THEN THE WE CAN USE AS FAR AS FIRE. FIRE AND POLICE. IT'S JUST VERY MINIMAL.

YEAH, VERY MINIMAL NECESSITY FOR THAT. AND THERE IS NO BURDEN TO THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T.

YEAH. THERE'S NO BURDEN FOR THE SCHOOLS. WHAT EXHIBIT WAS THE STATE HIGHWAY? SEVEN. IS IT SEVEN? NO, THAT'S WATER AND SEWER.

OKAY. THAT'S WATER AND SEWER OR TRAFFIC CONCEPTS.

THAT COULD BE 188. WE COULD USE. ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY NINE.

EXHIBIT 8 OR 9. BECAUSE IT SAYS RESPONSE TO STATE HIGHWAY EIGHT AND NINE.

OKAY. E CONFORMS IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS TO THIS CHAPTER, AND ESPECIALLY TO THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH IT'S TO BE LOCATED, AND THAT DOES COMPLY. I THINK THE BIG CONCERN WITH THAT ONE IS THE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. FEELINGS ABOUT THAT. I AM HONESTLY, I'M OPPOSED TO REDUCING THE SETBACK.

I DON'T WANT TO REDUCE IT EITHER. NOT FROM NOT FROM 200 BECAUSE IT IS A BRAND NEW FACILITY BEING PUT INTO USE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE REGS ARE NOW. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR.

[02:50:01]

OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I REALLY STUDIED THAT REALLY WORRIED ME, I THINK.

WAS THAT ONE. AND THEN THE CRITICAL AREA, IT DOESN'T APPLY.

THERE IS NO CRITICAL AREA ON THIS PROPERTY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY GO INTO THAT ONE.

NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT CONDITIONS. DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? THE MINERAL EXTRACTION I YOU KNOW WHAT I WONDERED ABOUT THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I THINK MOST EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITHIN.

YEAH. WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE WHOLE PLAN. DO YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE ADDITIONAL MINERAL EXTRACTION? I THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSED IN THE APPLICATION, IN THE WHOLE APPLICATION, ALL THOSE THINGS WITH THE COUNTY TO WITHIN HAVING TO BE BEFORE THE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMITTEE BEFORE IT CAME TO US.

IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH WITH OTHER MINERAL EXTRACTION FACILITIES.

OKAY, SO THAT ARE SET FORTH IN 21, 75, 26. OKAY.

THIS IS IT THEN. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN I'M GOING TO LET YOU WE'LL DISCUSS IT TO YOU YESTERDAY.

YES. [INAUDIBLE]. CAN YOU CAN I WANT YOU TO PULL IT OUT AND LET'S ROLL WITH IT.

OKAY. YOUR TURN. I'M GOING TO DRINK SOME WATER. GO AHEAD.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL JUST START WITH 175- 26 A IS THE MAXIMUM PLANT SIZE 500,000FT² OR LESS, WHICH IT DOES DEFINITELY MEETS.

YEAH. IT'S LESS. WILL THERE BE A. WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE.

I'M SURE THERE'S NOT. IT SAYS WILL THERE BE 500 OR FEWER EMPLOYEES AT THE PLANT? THAT WAS DISCLOSED IN THERE? YES. IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES PER MR. CAR BOMB. OKAY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND OR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SHALL PROVIDE A STAFF REPORT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEY HAVE AT EXHIBIT TWO STAFF REPORT IS.

YEAH. TWO NOTWITHSTANDING AN APPLICANT SHALL NOTWITHSTANDING 175-1 44 THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE 18 MONTHS FROM THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO OBTAIN OBTAIN A ZONING CERTIFICATE AND OR BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WILL BE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO. YEAH.

THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. YEAH. DOES THIS SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION RUN CONSISTENTLY WITH A STATE ISSUED PERMIT? YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE SOME ISSUED PERMITS FOR THE ROAD AND THERE'S THINGS WITH THE MD AND THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES IN THERE, SO I'M PRETTY SURE.

YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] IF I'M WRONG, MATT? WE CAN USE.

NO. YOU'RE CORRECT. WE CAN USE EXHIBIT 15. MD APPLICATION.

OKAY AND FOR THE RECORD, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANY MORE? OH, WE GOT STUFF FOR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

SO THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT. EVERYBODY ALL STATE AGENCIES HAVE GONE THROUGH AND MADE APPROVALS.

OKAY. OKAY. A PERSON DESIRING THE USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR MINERAL EXTRACTION SHALL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION FROM THIS BOARD, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON NOW AND THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS SHALL REVIEW AND APPROVE THE SITE PLAN OF THE APPLICANT.

WE'RE DOING THAT AND IT'S GOT TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD ANYWAY, RIGHT? YES. SOME OF THOSE MAY BE. YEAH. THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE 18 MONTHS.

I MEAN SPECIAL USE. YEAH. SOME OF THIS IS REPEAT.

OKAY. [INAUDIBLE]. RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO WE CAN JUST MOVE AHEAD.

NEW LAND DISTURBANCE. THEN IT'S NOT. NO I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT MIGHT BE.

MIGHT BE IT. WELL. HOLD ON. STORAGE OF MINERALS AND EQUIPMENT SHALL NOT OCCUR WITHIN THE 200FT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. PUBLIC ROAD. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.

THEY'VE ALREADY SHOWN WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO.

YEAH. WE'RE THE SAME. THE, WE CAN USE EXHIBIT FIVE OF PAGE SEVEN OF 17.

THAT'S AN OVERVIEW. ANY STRUCTURES USED OR ASSOCIATED IN ANY MANNER WITH EXTRACTION, PROCESSING OR PLANT WASH SHALL NOT BE ERECTED WITHIN 200FT OF THE PROPERTY LINE, 200FT OF THE PUBLIC ROAD.

WELL, THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. YEAH AND THEIR APPLICATION AND WHAT? THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED. I'M GOING TO READ THIS, BUT IT'S WHATEVER EXTRACTION AND PROCESSING SHALL NOT BE WITHIN THE 100 FOOT BUFFER OF NATURAL VEGETATION BETWEEN AN OPERATION, THE EDGES OF STREAMS PLANT WASH IF WE'RE GOING TO BE 200FT.

[02:55:11]

OKAY, HERE WE GO. SETBACKS ESTABLISHED IN THIS SECTION MAY BE MODIFIED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AS PART OF A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION PROCESS AFTER RECOMMENDED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND OR PLANNING COMMISSION BASED ON THE FACTS OF CIRCUMSTANCES OF RECORD. SO THE ONLY THING THAT PART RIGHT THERE IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE I'M HEARING WHAT SEAN SAID ECHOING IN MY BRAIN. RIGHT. AND I GUESS THE ZONING CHAPTER IS SET UP AND FORMULATED IN A WAY TO SET SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THEY GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO START WITH.

AND IF IT'S A CASE BY CASE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT ISN'T ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT BY CHANGING THAT OR BY GIVING THEM THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

BUT MAYBE WE MITIGATE. MAYBE WE SAY INSTEAD OF GOING TO 100, MAYBE WE MAKE IT 150.

YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE MORE ACCEPTABLE TO JUST THAN JUST SAYING, NOT AT ALL, BECAUSE I DO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A SHORTAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW WITH MINING AND WITH EXTRACTING AND EVERY TIME YOU DENY SOMETHING IN A MINING SITUATION. IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED.

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A DETRIMENT TO APPROVE IT AT 150FT, MAYBE WE CONSIDER THAT VERSUS 100 BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THEM AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT WOULD KEEP IT STILL WITHIN A BUFFER THAT I FEEL IS MORE SAFE THAN GOING ALL THE WAY TO 100.

THAT'S JUST ME. THAT'S HOW I FEEL. IF WE I FEEL LIKE LEAVING IT AT 200 LIKE THE COUNTY THEY GET GOING TEN YEARS FROM NOW, THEY CAN ALWAYS APPLY TO REDUCE IT.

CAN THEY, CAN THAT BE REDUCED AT ANY TIME? YEAH.

I MEAN IT WOULD BE A MODIFICATION OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIAL USE. SO IT CAN BE MODIFIED.

IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE ORIGINAL.

SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S KIND OF LIKE IF YOU DID IT IN PHASES.

IN PHASES. YEAH. IF YOU CAN'T I DO UNDERSTAND THE LOGISTICS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT BEHIND TRYING TO GET EVERY PIECE YOU.

I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE APPROVED, IS MY THEORY.

IT'S THE QUESTION OF SOME OF THE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAY WE HAVE CONDITIONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DO WE LET THEM GO THE FULL 100 OR DO WE SAY 150 OR DO WE JUST STICK TO 200? THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S MORE HEADACHES, MORE WORK FOR THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO GET IT, PAY ANOTHER FEE, SIT BEFORE THE BOARD. IF AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED AND WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE WHAT WE CAN GET FROM THIS MINING EXTRACTION, THEN WHY NOT GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE INSTEAD OF TAKING IT AWAY? THAT'S JUST I THINK IN MY MIND IS WE GOT ONE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET WITH THIS.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I SAID MAYBE INSTEAD OF 100 FOOT, MAYBE WE GO TO 150.

WHAT OR JUST ME. OKAY. BASICALLY FROM AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE HARD TO DETERMINE, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY GOT 100 FOOT AROUND THIS BACK. OKAY. TO BEGIN WITH. SO WHAT IF WE WENT FROM HERE? TO EITHER HERE OR HERE AND THEN GIVE THEM THIS SECTION.

REDUCE IT TO 100. BUT LEAVE THIS AND THIS TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS AT 200.

WE CAN DO WE CAN MODIFY IT. WE CAN ASK FOR THINGS TO BE CHANGED.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MEAN, YOU MEAN THE PLACES WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DIRECTLY TIED INTO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE OR PROPERTY? CORRECT. SAY, OH, YEAH, YOU CAN DO THE 100 HERE AND GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO A CERTAIN POINT BECAUSE YOU HAVE RESIDENTS STARTING BASICALLY AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. YOU HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE HOUSES.

THEY'RE NOT SUPER CLOSE BUT THEY'RE CLOSE. SO THERE'S A GOOD POINT AROUND TO PROBABLY THIS POINT AND THEN THIS SECTION RIGHT THROUGH HERE.

BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THEY'RE AFFECTING IS AROUND THEIR OWN SELVES. WELL I MEAN I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT I ALSO KNOW FOR THE PURPOSE OF REDRAWING AND ALL THAT STUFF, IT MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE OF A PROBLEM TO IDENTIFY WHERE THESE POINTS OF REFERENCE ARE. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE HERE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU GOT A HOUSE HERE.

THIS IS PART OF HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE. THERE'S RESIDENTS HERE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY THROUGH HERE, BUT THEY ARE HERE, RIGHT.

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SEAN, DO YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT I'M SHOWING? I THINK WE GOT TO SHOW ROLLING.

WHAT YOU'RE OR BOTH OF YOU WANT TO. I MEAN, WE CAN COME OUT THERE TOO.

WHY DON'T WE JUST. WE CAN WALK OUT THERE. WE'LL COME UP. WE'LL PUT IT UP HERE. HOW ABOUT THIS? WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHAT WE CAN WITHOUT.

I KNOW THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE SAID CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THEN THINGS CHANGED LATER AND IT CAN'T BE TAKEN BACK.

SO FROM THIS AREA, IN THIS INSET OF THIS BEND AROUND TO SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA, GO AHEAD AND REDUCE IT TO THE 100 FOOT.

[INAUDIBLE]. CHANGE THAT TO 100. LEAVE THIS. OKAY.

THIS IS REDUCED TO 100 IN THIS STRETCH, THE 200 WE JUST SHOWED FOR GRAPHIC PURPOSES.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT IS OKAY. WHERE WE ARE 100 OKAY.

HOW ABOUT AROUND HERE. WE'RE 100 FROM THE DITCH HERE.

AND THEN WE'RE 100 OR 100 HERE OKAY. IN THE FRONT THERE ALONG THE HIGHWAY.

WE ARE ALSO THERE'S THE 200 SHOWN THROUGH THERE, AND THEN WE ARE AT 100 IN THIS LOCATION AND THIS LOCATION. WE MEET THE 200 HERE. SO THIS IS A LITTLE PIECE OF REQUESTED REDUCTION. THAT'S AREA A, IF WE CAN FIND AREA A, THAT'S THE SMALLEST CHUNK OF IT AND THAT'S CLOSE TO THE HERE'S THE FOLKS WHO WERE HERE TALKING ABOUT OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE THIS IS ALREADY AT THE 200.

IT'S GOING TO STAY THERE. OKAY. SO HERE YOU'RE ALREADY AT THE 200.

[INAUDIBLE]. AND YOU'RE AT THE 200 THERE OKAY.

THERE'S THE 200 OKAY. KEEP SOME DISTANCE FOR THESE.

OKAY. WELL THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THESE PEOPLE HERE.

BUT THEN HIS CONCERN IS ALSO THESE NEIGHBORS ON THIS SIDE, I DON'T KNOW.

SO THAT'S COOL. RICH. YEP. SO IF THEY ALREADY SAID THEY AGREED TO IT AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE AND THIS WE DON'T MIND BEING REDUCED BECAUSE THIS IS ON THE INSIDE OF THE PIT WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AFFECTING YOURSELF.

EVENTUALLY, WHEN THIS GETS ALL DUG OUT, THIS WOULD BE HAULED OUT, RIGHT? THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MY DAD AND THE NEIGHBOR OVER HERE WITH HIM AND I BEEN TALKING.

HE'S GOT A FIELD [INAUDIBLE] . BUT AS FAR AS THIS BEING, THIS IS ALREADY AT, [INAUDIBLE] WE WERE SAYING THIS AREA HERE COULD BE 100 BACK HERE. RIGHT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO IMPACT THIS STREAM BACK THERE.

SO WE'RE TO THAT SIGNIFICANT DITCH BRINGS ALL THAT WATER DOWN AND WHATEVER I GET BACK HERE FIRST, IT'LL NEVER PAY. WHATEVER. I GET IT. NEVER PAY TO COME BACK TO GET IT RIGHT ONCE.

ONCE I STARTED IN THE BACK HERE. THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO START, RIGHT HERE AND I WAS PLANNING TO GO THAT WAY.

BUT ONCE I GO IT, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE TO COME BACK.

SO ONCE YOU, START, YOU NEED TO START AND HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO GET STARTED BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BACKTRACK AND TAKE YOUR DREDGER BACK OVER HERE ONCE IT'S DONE.

RIGHT. OKAY. SO I GET IT. SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE JUST NEEDED SOME CLARITY ON.

AND IF THIS IS NOT IMPACTING ANYBODY BACK HERE IT'S NOT IMPACTING ANYBODY.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS 203 HERE AND IT MAYBE CHANGES MY MIND A LITTLE.

GOOD. SO MAYBE IT WAS A GOOD THING THAT WE STARTED SPEAKING AND, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF US ASKING.

WE WE JUST WANTED CLARITY AND WE WERE MAKING SOME SUGGESTIONS BASED ON .

[INAUDIBLE]. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PROBABLY IT'S TOTAL.

IF I DID MY MATH, IT'S ABOUT 11. YEAH. TOTAL RIGHT OUT OF.

YEAH. OUT OF THAT 111. YEAH OKAY. THAT WAS HELPFUL.

THANK YOU GUYS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR GIVING US THE CLARITY ON THAT.

OKAY. WELL IN THAT CASE KINDA CHANGES OUR THOUGHTS AND IT CHANGES OUR THOUGHT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. SO NOW I GOT TO FOLD THIS MAP BACK UP. GOOD LUCK.

MY THOUGHT IS BASED ON THAT THEY DID CONSIDER WHERE THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE REDUCTION, AND THEY DID TRY TO INSULATE WHERE THE AREAS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVED NEARBY.

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SO I THINK THAT CHANGES THE MINDSET A LITTLE BIT.

AND THAT BACK SECTION IS ALSO NOT AFFECTING ANYBODY.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT I READ AND THE WAY THAT MATT DESCRIBED IN THE REVIEW THAT HE DID, IT'S UP TO US TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON IT.

AND THEY'VE ALSO ASKED THEM TO GET LETTERS FROM NEIGHBORS.

AND ALL THOSE LETTERS CAME IN AND EVERYBODY SEEMED TO BE IN MIND IN LINE WITH IT.

SO NOBODY WAS REALLY OPPOSED. IF THERE WERE OPPOSITION TO THAT, IT WOULD BE A STRONG FEELING OF, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. BUT BECAUSE NOBODY WAS OPPOSED TO IT AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AND THE END RESULT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT.

I'M NOT AGAINST IT. I'M NOT. I FEEL LIKE, IN ALL HONESTY, THE REASON I WAS AGAINST IT WAS EVEN THOUGH HOMEOWNERS HAD SIGNED, THAT IT WAS REALLY FOR THEIR PROTECTION. YEAH, HONESTLY, IT WAS THERE FOR THEIR PROTECTION.

YOU GUYS ARE OKAY BECAUSE THAT AREA ACROSS THE ROAD ON HOLLINGSWORTH IS STILL PROTECTED BY THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER.

NO MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE, THAT'S STILL SET ON THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER TO KEEP YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE OPERATION.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WHEN WE WERE ALL STANDING HERE JUST NOW.

YEAH. MAKES SENSE. I'M STILL NOT A FAN. OKAY.

BUT I'M ONE PERSON.. THAT'S OKAY. I'M NOT MAD. AND THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY. NOT A. YEAH. AS FAR AS OTHER CONDITIONS, WHAT ARE WE THINKING? LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION. I THINK WE'RE GOOD BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE TRUCKS ARE NOT GOING TO GET BUSY IN THERE BEFORE SEVEN, EVEN IF THEY OPEN THE PLANT TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE AND SOME WORK EXACT HOURS.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'VE WORKED ON HERE. OKAY. I MEAN, THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE LISTED.

OKAY. HUNDRED LOADS A DAY, 5:30AM, 5:30PM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

BUT I'M GOING TO PUT IN THERE. NO TRUCK LOAD UNTIL 7AM.

OKAY. WHAT ABOUT SATURDAY? SATURDAY? 6:30 TO NOON.

BUT THE PLANT, THE [INAUDIBLE] PLANT WILL RUN UNTIL 3PM.

NO TRUCKS AFTER NOON, NO TRUCKS BEFORE 7AM. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

SOUNDS GOOD. WHAT ABOUT TAILGATING? NO TAILGATING.

NO. JAKE BRAKES! TRY TO WORK WITH THE STATE HIGHWAY TO GET SIGNAGE UP THAT SAYS TRUCKS ENTERING AND EXIT HIGHWAY.

PLEASE USE CAUTION. RIGHT. NOT TO TELL THEM TO SLOW DOWN, BECAUSE ANOTHER DUMBEST THING I'VE SEEN SINCE THIS SOLAR PROJECT HAS BEGUN WAS THE SIGNS THAT THEY PUT OUT TEMPORARILY ASKING ME TO SLOW DOWN GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT.

NO, I'M GOING TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT TRUCKS ARE COMING IN AND OUT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN TO 40 MILE AN HOUR JUST IN CASE A TRUCK WANTS TO COME BACK OUT ONTO THE HIGHWAY. YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO SLOW DOWN.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE OBSERVANT. BUT YEAH. YES, I'M GOING TO BE A YEAH, A DRIVER WHO'S AWARE OF MY SCENARIO.

RIGHT. AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT ON THERE.

NO THROUGH TRUCKS GOING THROUGH HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE. YEAH.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T MAKE IT A CONDITION, THERE'S NO RECOURSE TO GO BACK AFTER ANYBODY THAT DOES TRY TO MAKE THAT SHORTCUT.

IN ALL HONESTY, IT MIGHT BE SHORTER TO DRIVE THAT WAY THAN GO UP AND THEN COME ACROSS, BUT IT SURE AS HECK AIN'T NO QUICKER BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS, AND THEY KNOW THAT. SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TRY THAT AND I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS THAT 1 OR 2 THAT ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

AND IT COULD BE ALSO FOR THE USE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO RUN DOWN TO UNION ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THEY, WILL HAVE TO GO THERE, RIGHT, TO DUMP OFF.

I MEAN, SOMEBODY COULD BE DOING A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THEY HAVE TO DUMP A LOAD OF SAND OUT THERE FOR THE SEPTIC. ARE YOU WRITING SOMETHING THERE? YEAH, I'VE GOT IT ALL READY. YOU GOT 100? 100? YEAH. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU HAD.

BECAUSE. DO WE HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT STACKING OR [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S ILLEGAL ANYWAY. IT'S ILLEGAL TO STACK ON THE STATE HIGHWAY, SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO. I MEAN, IF THEY STACK ON THEIR PRIVATE HAUL ROAD, THAT'S UP TO THEM.

THAT'S UP TO THEM. WE DON'T HAVE TO COVER DUST BECAUSE IT'S DUST IS ALREADY, I BELIEVE IS ALREADY COVERED IN HERE.

THAT IT'S PART OF THEIR PLAN IS TO HAVE DUST CONTROL.

AND YOU'RE PUTTING HOLLANDSWORTH CIRCLE IS A NO GO.

YES. ONLY THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS SCREENING AND I DO BELIEVE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, I WATCH THESE PEOPLE DO THESE BERMS, AND I'M LIKE, FOR WHAT? WHAT DOES IT ACCOMPLISH? YOU MAKE THIS BIG HILL AND THE TREES GO UP HIGH.

BUT THE SCREENING IS ALREADY IN PLACE WITH THE PLANNING OF THE LOBLOLLIES AND THE WHITE PINES.

[03:10:03]

AND THE ONE OFF OF CHERRY LANE HAS NO BERMS AND IT WORKS.

WE DID WOOD FARM. WE DID ASK THEM TO BURN THAT, MAINLY BECAUSE BIG FARM, A LOT MORE PROPERTY, A LOT MORE LOT OF PROPERTY, A LOT MORE LOT OF RESIDENTS.

RIGHT? AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS, VERY CLOSE TO THIS DOESN'T REALLY APPLY HERE, BUT THE TREES DEFINITELY ARE NECESSARY ON THE ROADWAY.

THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IS BACK TO THE SCREENING.

THERE'S NONE ON THE WEST SIDE LIKE NONE. WELL, THEY SAID THAT THEY DID NONE ON.

THEY DID NONE AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORS. RIGHT? THEY JUST DID IT BASICALLY ON THE HIGHWAY SIDE OF THINGS.

BUT ONE THING THAT I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS SOME TYPE OF FENCING THAT KEEPS SOME KNUCKLEHEAD FROM TRYING TO GO IN THERE.

FOUR WHEELERS. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW. THAT'S THAT'S ONE CONCERN I DO HAVE AND IT WASN'T ADDRESSED.

I SAW PICTURES OF SPLIT RAIL FENCE. THERE'S SPLIT RAIL FENCE AROUND THE PLANT SITE.

I THINK TO GET TO PROTECT THE SEWAGE RESERVE AREAS TO KEEP ANYBODY FROM GOING OFF INTO.

OKAY. PROTECT THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. OKAY. JUST VERIFY THAT MSHA.

WHEN WE GET APPROVED, MSHA MAKES US WHATEVER THE WHEEL LOADER OR WHATEVER THE HIGHEST WHEEL.

WE GOT TO HAVE HALF OF, LIKE A LITTLE BERM ALL THE WAY AROUND.

OKAY. THAT'S AN IMMATURE REGULATION. OKAY. COUNTY REGULATION.

BUT ENERGY REGULATION IS UNREAL. OKAY. BUT WE WILL HAVE.

YOU WILL HAVE SOME TYPE OF BERM GOING AROUND.

TOP OF A TALLEST WHEEL ON THAT. SO IT COULD BE FIVE FOOT.

SO YOU HAVE 2.5FT OF BERM. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AROUND AS WE GO.

WE BUILT THAT BERM. A LITTLE BERM ALL THE WAY AROUND.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THEIR SITE PLAN.

BUT IT'S LESS THAN COUNTY MINIMUM. RIGHT. ISN'T IT LESS THAN COUNTY MINIMUM, MATT? SO THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT IS BASICALLY IN THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, WHICH IN THEIR COVER LETTER THEY TESTIFY THAT IT'S THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE OF MATERIALS WITHIN 500FT OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHERE THE SCREENING IS REQUIRED.

SO IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE, THAT'S IF YOU'RE WASH PLANT WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THAT MATERIALS STOCKPILED, IF THAT'S WITHIN 500FT OF THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY, THEN YOU WOULD TECHNICALLY THEN YOU'D HAVE TO SCREEN.

SO TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE THAT CLOSE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

TECHNICALLY THEY HAVE IT AT ABOUT 600FT. OKAY.

SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY.

[INAUDIBLE] . I'D SAY IT'S TIME TO. WELL, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT HE DOES THAT.

WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET ANYTHING. WE CAN'T ADD IT LATER.

SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP OR THOUGHT ABOUT, HE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, BESIDES FOLLOWING EVERYTHING IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY READING ALL THOSE COMMENTS AND STAFF REPORTS, I'M JUST GOING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF REPORT, OKAY, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT OUT, IT'S FINE. AND THAT'S EXHIBIT TWO. YEAH. WHEN YOU SAY OKAY, YEAH, JUST SAY EXHIBIT TWO.

ACCORDING TO EXHIBIT TWO, ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS IN EXHIBIT TWO WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. GO FOR IT. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON, BECAUSE I GOT TO FIND THE.

YOU JUST TAKE YOUR TIME, FIND ALL THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND PAPERWORK AND SUCH? YEAH, I WANT THE APPLICATION NUMBER. OH, THE APPLICATION NUMBER.

I HAD THAT SOMEWHERE. IT'S, I THOUGHT I HAD IT RIGHT HERE.

IT'S 24-0026. YEP. OKAY, SO.

NOW IN THIS JUST DO IT WITHIN IT AND JUST PUT IT OUT THERE AND WE'LL SAY WHETHER IT'S YAY OR NAY [INAUDIBLE] OKAY.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE'VE GOT ONE OPPOSED, WHICH IS FINE.

ALL RIGHT. SO R&R FARM SPECIAL USE EXEMPTION NUMBER 24-0026.

I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION.

I'M GOING TO PUT SOME CONDITIONS IN HERE. I'M GOING TO BUT YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THESE CONDITIONS.

NO TRUCKS ON HOLLINGSWORTH CIRCLE. IF THE STATE HIGHWAY WILL PERMIT IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SIGNAGE UP SAYING

[03:15:10]

NO. JAKE. BRAKES ON SITE, NO TAILGATE SLAMMING.

LIMIT IT TO 100 LOADS PER DAY. HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 05:30AM TO 5:30PM, WITH WINTER TIME PROBABLY SHUTTING DOWN SOONER, BUT 5:30PM BEING THE LIMIT REGARDLESS.

AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR NO TRUCK LOADING BEFORE 7AM.

SATURDAYS OPERATIONS 6:30AM TO NOON, WITH THE WASH PLANT BEING ABLE TO RUN UNTIL 3PM ONCE AGAIN, NO TRUCK LOAD UNTIL 7AM. WE TRY NOT TO RUN NO TRUCKS ON SATURDAYS.

OKAY. ALSO THE CONDITION. ALL CONDITIONS IN EXHIBIT TWO THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND TO APPROVE THE 100 THE REDUCTION FROM 200 TO THE 100 FOOT BUFFER. EXCEPT FOR IN THE AREAS ON THE MAP THAT SHOW ARE STAYING AT THE 200 FOOT.

I THINK THAT'S IT. A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. OKAY. THE MOTION IS PASSED.

THANK YOU, [INAUDIBLE]. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK ALL THE NEIGHBORS WHO CAME OUT FOR COMING OUT AND TAKING THEIR TIME TO BE HERE TONIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.

CATHERINE, DO WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS? NO. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN AT 9:15, 916.

I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. YAY! WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.