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[Call to Order]
WELCOME TO THE JUNE MEETING OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.I'M JEFF JACKSON, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, AND TONIGHT WITH US IS VICE CHAIRPERSON HANNAH CAWLEY AND MEMBER ROGER MCKNIGHT.
THREE OF US ARE HERE, SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
ALSO TONIGHT, OUR STAFF MEMBERS, CRYSTAL DADDS, LESLIE GRUNDEN, OUR BOARD ASSISTANT GENEVA, [INAUDIBLE] AND OLIVIA.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU HAVE A TITLE. YOU WORK THERE.
>> THE PLANNER? >> [INAUDIBLE]
>> IS OUR ATTORNEY COMING TONIGHT?
HE MAY BE RUNNING A BIT LATE, BUT WE CAN START WITHOUT HIM.
>> I THINK HE IS RUNNING A BIT LATE.
>> WE JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS TONIGHT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERY MEETING. RIGHT?
>> NOW, WE HAVE ON LIST A SET OF FIRST ITEMS OF IT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'VE GOT TWO CHAPTERS TO REVIEW.
DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? LAST TIME WE CHANGED THEM AROUND, WE HAD PUBLIC WORDS [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THEM BUT [INAUDIBLE].
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THEM IN WHATEVER WAY YOU WANT, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE IS REFLECTIVE OF ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING.
I DID A LITTLE SUMMARY IN MY STAFF REPORT.
>> SINCE ROBIN IS HERE, IT MIGHT BE KIND TO GO FIRST WITH TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO ARE JUST A WRAP UP FINAL DRAFT REVIEW.
>> SOMEBODY HAVE TO SCROLL ALL THE WAY THROUGH SO [OVERLAPPING]
>> GRAB THE OTHER ONE SO YOU HAVE THE OTHER MIC.
>> SORRY, THIS ONE IS THE MINERAL RESOURCES WE DID LAST MEETING AND THEY DID ALL THE CHANGES,
[Transportation Chapter for Review]
AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO LOOK OVER THE CHANGES.TRANSPORTATION IS A NEW ONE, IT WAS QUITE THE DISCUSSION AT THE WORKSHOP.
>> TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER, WE'VE COME UP WITH A PLAN. AGAIN, WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE GOALS ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S ON PAGE 1, AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION IS AT THE VERY END, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALIGN SOME [INAUDIBLE].
MAKE SURE THAT THEY MATCH, AND THAT WITH EVERY GOAL THAT WE HAVE YOU HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION TO MATCH THAT SO THAT GOALS MAY MATCH.
YOU MAY HAVE MORE GOALS AND YOU HAVE IMPLEMENTATION PLUS COMPLEMENTATION [INAUDIBLE].
ON PAGE 1 GOALS, NUMBER 1 MAINTAIN AND APPROVE THE FUNCTIONAL SYSTEM FOR EFFICIENT [INAUDIBLE] OF COUNTY STATE ROAD NETWORKS.
PAIR ROAD PERMITS OR MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS OF [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY ROADS.
NUMBER 3, DAYS [INAUDIBLE] UPDATED NUMBER FOUR CALL TRANSPORTATION PLAN EFFORTS TO PROVIDE EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM FOR SAFETY PURPOSE.
CONTROL ACCESS PIN [INAUDIBLE].NUMBER 5 SUPPORT VARIOUS OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCESS [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOPMENTS [INAUDIBLE] INVESTIGATE [INAUDIBLE].
FIRST ONE IS C THE COLLECTION NEEDED TO [INAUDIBLE]
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CONSTRUCTION UPGRADE [INAUDIBLE] PROJECTS.NUMBER 2, CONTINUED FOCUS ON SUPPORTING PROVIDERS, ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THROUGHOUT COUNTY.
NUMBER 3, SUPPORT TOURISM EXPLORATION WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY.
FOR COMPLETION OF THE [INAUDIBLE] 44 AND ALL STATES PROJECTS ASSISTED BY THE COUNTY HAVE [INAUDIBLE] AND THE LAST ONE, [INAUDIBLE] THEN YOU WILL CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS, AS PROJECTS, [INAUDIBLE] INDUSTRIALS [INAUDIBLE] I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I PREFER TO SAY [LAUGHTER]
>> WHAT WERE ALL THE QUESTIONS WE HAD THAT WE SAY WE OUGHT TO ASK THE COUNT? I MEAN, IT WAS QUITE THE DISCUSSION.
>> IT WAS WE TALKED WE HAVE A SECTION IN HERE ABOUT THE UNPAVED ROADS AND HOW DPW WORKING WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS DEVELOPED A PRIORITY LIST OF PAVING PROJECTS AND STORM WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR UNPAVED ROADS BASED ON, A MATRIX THAT WE ALL PUT TOGETHER THAT INCLUDED DISTANCE FROM THE SHOP, BUS ROUTES, EMERGENCY SERVICES, CALL VOLUMES, PROXIMITY TO STREAMS, WETLANDS, AND COASTAL AREAS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY REPEAT FLOODING AND WASHOUTS.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> NUMBER OF [OVERLAPPING].
WHICH GIVES YOU AN INDICATION OF THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC ON THOSE ROADS.
>> IT WAS IT WAS A LARGE LOT AND THEN EACH ONE HAD ITS OWN WEIGHT IN SCORING IN TERMS OF A RANK AS OF IMPORTANCE.
THEN EACH ONE WAS GIVEN AN ASSIGNED VALUE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES, AND FROM THERE, A PRIORITY LIST WAS DEVELOPED, AND THEN DPW REVIEWED IT FOR ANY INPUT THEY HAD ON TOP OF WHAT WAS IN THE MATRIX, THEN THE COMMISSIONERS REVIEWED IT.
I THINK BASED ON FEEDBACK THEY GET FROM CITIZENS IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE MISSING.
THE QUESTION IN THE WORKSHOP WAS, CAN WE DO THIS FOR THE PAVED ROADS, TOO? BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A GREAT EXERCISE.
>> THAT [INAUDIBLE] IT'S A LEVEL OF INPUT WHEN YOU PRESS THE MAGIC BUTTON PUTS OUT THIS [INAUDIBLE] ROADS IN ORDER.
NOT A LONG SYSTEM ONE PERSON HAD [INAUDIBLE] CERTAIN PEOPLE LIVE ON CERTAIN ROADS AND THEY LIVED TO THE TOP.
THAT'S NOT HOW THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] THAT WAS DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
>> THAT WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] SO THE QUESTION WHICH PARTS? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MANY LIVING [INAUDIBLE] THIS TRAFFIC FALLING TRACKS.
THERE ARE FOUR LARGE [INAUDIBLE] I'VE BEEN [INAUDIBLE] TRAFFIC NEVER HAPPENED.
ROADS [INAUDIBLE] WAS VERY GOOD. THEY NEVER BUILD THAT MUCH TRAFFIC.
WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW SOFTWARE TO HELP US WITH THAT, HELP US A HERE.
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THOSE ROADS THAT HAVE A COUNTS, REALLY HIGH IS TO HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE FOR A DATA TO WATCHING WHAT TYPE OF TRUCKS [INAUDIBLE] TRASH TRUCKS. [INAUDIBLE] OPERATING.INTERNAL ROADS, AND SOME OF YOU'VE SEEN, ONE OF THE THINGS LOOKING OR DEVELOPMENT THAT DETERMINE OF WORK [INAUDIBLE] TO DO TO IDENTIFY COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE PRIMARY ROADS, SECONDARY ROADS [INAUDIBLE], I REALIZE BEHIND THE PRIMARY ROADS, BUT OUR IDEA OF PRIMARY ROADS INTELLIGENCE [INAUDIBLE] ROADS THAT WAS KNOW MOSTLY HIGHWAYS TO GO AROUND THE TOWN OR BEAT [INAUDIBLE] CRASS LIGHT BOX [INAUDIBLE] 16 CROSSVILLE BRANCH FOR THAT. CROSS LIGHT BOX INTO [INAUDIBLE].
>> TECHNOLOGY HASN'T HELPED US IN THAT RESPECT [LAUGHTER]
>> ADJUSTED AND 70 OUT THE LIGHTS, THAT STARTS TO SHOW THAT JUMPS ACROSS LIGHT BOXES LEFT.
I'VE SEEN IT THERE THAT I'VE SEEN ON SUNDAY MAYBE TO SAY FRIDAY, SATURDAY OR SUNDAY WE SHOULD GET RIGHT THERE FASTER, WHEN WE ESTABLISH UNION ROAD, UPGRADED [INAUDIBLE] SO THESE ARE ROADS DOWN SOUTH.
THERE. [INAUDIBLE] SO WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH THOSE CATEGORIES SO [INAUDIBLE].
BUT I THINK AND NOT IN ART FOR A WHILE.
THERE WAS A LACK OF IT FOR MANY YEARS IT ALL STARTED [INAUDIBLE] AS COVER IN DIGITAL PORTS LACK OF RESEARCH.
CERTAIN GOOD EFFORT TO PUT SOME FUNDING INTO THE CAPITAL, SO A LITTLE CATCH UP.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO USE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT.
SOME OF THESE PRIMARY ROADS ROVE WE HAVE FOX IN THE LAST ALMOST TWO YEARS.
THERE WAS A [INAUDIBLE] ROLE THERE AT RIGHT AROUND THERE YOU SEE A LOT OF PAGE THAT PRIMARY DEFECTS IN ROADS ESPECIALLY HOUSES SO THEY CAN [INAUDIBLE] WHY ROADS POTENTIALLY CHANGE AND [INAUDIBLE] BLACKTOP ALBUM AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BASE LEVEL BLACK [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS DEPEND ON HOW BAD THE ROAD IS [INAUDIBLE] ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF ROADS UP CREATING LOSS PATCHES [INAUDIBLE] WEGHT LEVEL.
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>> JUST GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING INSTEAD OF THE PATCH.
>> THE LIGHT BOX IN A DRIVE-IN BOX OF THAT SECTION, BETWEEN THE MAKER ROOM AND THE TABLE ROOM, IS LIKE THAT NOW.
THAT WAS A PLANNED HARDSHIP, AS THEY EVALUATED IT AT THE TIME AND CAME ACROSS IT.
YES, AND THAT'S ANOTHER STOP, WHITES LANE. SHEPHERDS AND BAKERS.
[INAUDIBLE] THE STOP SIGN AT SHEPHERD AND [INAUDIBLE]
>> AS TIME HAS CHANGED, AS ROBIN'S MENTIONED, HER FARM EQUIPMENT'S GOTTEN BIGGER, WE'VE GROWN IN OUR POULTRY INDUSTRY OVER THE YEARS, THERE'S MORE POULTRY OPERATIONS, AND FOR MANY YEARS, A LOT OF OUR MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS WERE NOT BUILT OUT.
THERE WERE MANY LOTS SAT VACANT FOR YEARS, SO NOW THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED, AND THERE ARE MORE HOUSES.
WE ALSO WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE, HAVE GROWN IN THE TYPES OF HOME BASED COTTAGE INDUSTRY BUSINESSES THAT WE ALLOW THAT TEND TO HAVE WHETHER IT'S, A TRAILER WITH LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE A LANDSCAPER, A RURAL TRUCKING AND SERVICE BUSINESSES, THAT MAY HAVE MORE LARGER TRUCK TRAFFIC ON A ROAD THAT WOULD NORMALLY JUST HAVE A RESIDENCE THERE.
THEY MAY HAVE MORE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT IMPACT TO THAT ROAD.
>> YEAH, I WAS IN FOURTH STREET THERE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> EVEN AMAZON. JUST, IT USED TO BE JUST YOUR POST OFFICES MAKING MAIL DELIVERY.
NOW YOU'VE GOT FEDEX AND MORE UPS, AND MORE PEOPLE ARE BUYING ONLINE AND SHIPPING TO THE HOUSE, SO YOU HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD YEARS AGO.
>> CAROLINE COUNTY ALL MY LIFE I HAVE BEEN NOW IN TWO MONTHS, AND I'M NOT JUST A SITTER [INAUDIBLE] SO HAVE GOT BRIDGES AT COUNTY, NEW CONTRACT THE STATE CAN INSPECT THOSE IN RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR ENGINEERING COVERAGES WE GOT COME UP IN THE FUTURE THAT GOT [INAUDIBLE].
THEN THAT WE KNOW MORE BRIDGE HAVE RESTRICTIONS.
MANY [INAUDIBLE] WASN'T FOR WHICH HELPS THE INDUSTRY FLED THE REST OF THE ROADS OUT OF THE TRAPS CAN BE OVERLOOKED QUITE A BIT AND I HAVE EXAMPLE THAT RIGHT OUT THERE.
ONE ABOUT A HALF MILE DOWN THE RESIDENCE AND THEY TOOK THAT AND THAT ROOM WAS THREE MILES.
YOU GO UP THERE, YOU SEE THE TRANSITION FROM WHERE THE ROOM USED TO BE IN SHADE AND NOW IT'S UNDER HEAT.
THAT SECTION OF ROOM HAS QUICKLY IN THREE YEARS IN THAT SECTION, BECAUSE THAT WAS A ROAD THAT WAS COOL AND NOW IS GETTING HEAT.
PEOPLE THINK OF THAT. YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGING LANDSCAPE THAT AFFECTS THE ROAD.
THOSE ARE MANY THINGS THAT I HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE HAVE SOME HISTORICAL DATA, WE HAVE SOME NEW ONES. [INAUDIBLE]
>> I KNOW THAT MOST OF IT'S BEEN IN PEOPLE'S MEMORY BANKS,
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DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY NEW SOFTWARE TO START TRACKING STUFF?>> WE DO HAVE NEW SOFTWARE FOR ALL THE TRAINING JUST PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL, IT'S CALLED ATOM, A-T-O-M. THAT IS A VERY USEFUL TOOL.
I'VE GOT SOME OF THE GUYS RECENTLY, I'M SURE ANY OF YOU SEE A LOT OF [INAUDIBLE] FOR A DAY OR TWO WITH CO REPLACEMENTS.
I'VE EVALUATED EVERY ONE OF THEM WITH ANY OF THAT FULL PROOF FOR SHOWERS IN HOUSE.
WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR, SO REPLACING MANY OF THOSE I WENT IN THE HAD THE SYSTEM RECENTLY WAS UPDATED WHEN THEY WERE REPLACED.
ALL THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD IS GREAT, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO THE WAY THAT, IT'S A CHECKS AND BALANCES.
I HAVE TO GO IN AND SAY THAT THE GUARD RAILS IN THAT IS IN THAT SYSTEM.
THERE'S A MAC ASSOCIATED WITH THE SYSTEM WHO TOOK ON THE ICON WHATEVER IT MAYBE.
COULD BE BRIDGE, COULD BE CALVERT, IT COULD BE GUARD RAIL.
WE CLICK ON THAT, IT TELLS YOU, WELL AS WE KNOW SEPARATELY IF HOW IT IS, HOW LONG IT IS, THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE THE RIVER ROAD HAD BEEN INTERVENTO POSPAL RIVER ROAD.
MAKE SURE SO THAT IN THE SYSTEM THAT OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A NEW POSPAL THAT WENT IN 2024, AND THERE'S SO MANY FEET OF GUARD RAIL ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT.
IN THE AIR DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS SPRAYING THE THIS SIDES, OR TYPE OF THINGS SO GENTLEMAN OUT THE SPRAY BAR RAIL, SHE PUTS THE GUARD RAIL ICON AND SOME MASS PRINT IT OUT IN A SPREADSHEET OR HE CAN FOLLOW IT UP, BUT AGAIN, THOSE GUARDRAILS HAVE TO BE [INAUDIBLE] SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD 2030, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE EITHER ADAMS THE FONT MOVED INTO ANOTHER PROGRAM, WHICH HAPPENS.
PLAINTIFF JUST WENT THROUGH THAT.
SO SOMEONE ON HERE CAN CLICK ON THAT ITEM 5, HOW IT.
SO THEN WHEN IT COMES TO GET THE CONTRACTOR IN THE MATERIAL FOR IT, YOU ALREADY HAVE IT STOP SOMEONE YOU GO OUT THERE AND CUT IT WITH THE BUTCHER AX, GET DOWN IN THERE WITH THE TAPE MEASURE, CHEST MEASURE AND MEASURE TO SEE HOW BIG THIS PIPE IT IS.
I THINK PROBABLY WILL LOVE A LITTLE BIT. MYSELF A LITTLE BIT.
>> BUT DO YOU HAVE A PRIORITY SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR THE PAVED ROADS?
>> AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT AS INTRICATE AS THE ONE WE DID FOR THE GRAVEL ROADS.
MOSTLY MYSELF, SO WE HAVE FOUR OF US MYSELF, RECENTLY HIRED SUPERINTENDENT.
SOME OTHER PROJECT MANAGER WHO WAS ROAD SUPERINTENDENT FOR MANY YEARS.
THEN THEIRS PROJECT INSPECTOR, AND FOR EVERY ROAD A DIFFERENT TIMES AGAIN THE FOUR OF US CREATED A SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THOSE ROADS TO COME BACK AND HAVE OUR OWN PRIORS AND MESH IN ONE DISCUSS WHY PERSON THE OTHER AND THAT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT SOME OF THAT DATA, ESPECIALLY TRAFFIC COUNT WITH THE BRIDGES, THAT WAS THE STATES THAT EVERY BRIDGE IN THE COUNTY EVERY HERE.
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US THE ONCE THAT FAIL SOMETIMES [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE THE ENGINEER DID PAY [INAUDIBLE] BOTH THE BRIDGES OUT.PLACE PROCESS FOR THAT AND PERMITS.
DESIGN STUFF, ALL OF THAT FALLS UNDER THE STATE FUND DRIVE.
>> THE CHALLENGE WOULD BE LIKE IN THE UNPAVED ROADS, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE ROAD, PROBABLY MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS LOCAL TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON IT AND THINGS RELATED TO THEM, BUT THE PAVED ROADS, ESPECIALLY IF WAYS IS TAKING PEOPLE DOWN THEM, YOU DO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE WHO'S USING THE ROAD THAT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC COUNT TO SAY, EVERYBODY'S TAKING THIS AS A ROUTE TO GET TO THERE, AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE SEE THAT, SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE OF PRIORITIZING PAID ROAD BASED ON USE.
>> I MEAN THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGY TOO, WE CAN MOUNT CAMERAS TO REAR PICKUP TRUCK AND HAVE THAT TRUCK BY AT THE VIDEO AND THEN THERE ARE ASSISTANT THEY CAN PICK UP POPS COURSE WITH ANY OF THOSE MORE INTRICATE THINGS IS AT ALL, BUT VIDEO IT ALSO GIVES US THIS WE DID HIRE ADAM INITIALLY WHEN THEY CAME IN AND THEY DID A HIGHER TOOL TO DRIVE CABIN [INAUDIBLE] SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO BUDGET WIDE HIRE THAT SAME COMPANY THAT DOES THAT [INAUDIBLE].
ALSO GIVES US, IN CASE NEW BUSINESSES GO IN, AND GRAVEL FIT GOES IN AND THEY START UTILIZING THAT ROAD.
WE CAN GO IN THE BACK VIDEO AND GO OUT THERE, LOOK AT IT TODAY AND GO BACK OVER THE VIDEO EIGHT MONTHS AGO, THE ROAD MAY HAVE BE IN GREAT SHAPE AND NOW IT'S [INAUDIBLE]
>> YOU GUYS GET THAT, AND YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU DO THE ROAD ENTRANCE PERMITS OR WHAT'S IT CALLED?
>> ENTRANCE PERMITS FOR NEW STUFF.
>> I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOME EXISTING ONES.
THE EXIST ONE HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THEY JUST STARTED ROLLING OUT A MONTHS AGO.
I CAN SAY THAT [INAUDIBLE] SO A LOT OF.
A LOT OF OUR INSIDE FOR BREAKING OFF.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LANDSCAPERS IN THE COUNTY THAT MOW THOSE YARDS AND THE TRAILERS.
LOOK AT A LOT OF THEM HAVE VENDORS OUTSIDE.
MOWERS CAN GO ON TRACK THEY'RE MAKING THAT TURN THE INSIDE CURVE WITH BY PRESSING BLOOD [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE OTHER THING, EVEN WITH SCHOOL BUSES, THIS HAS COME UP RECENTLY THAT SCHOOL BUSES DON'T ALWAYS GO TO THE ROAD END TO END.
IF THEY GO HALFWAY DOWN IN THE LAST BUS STOPS ONLY HALFWAY DOWN THE ROAD, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND IN THAT DRIVEWAY TO GO BACK OUT VERSUS GOING THE LONG WAY AROUND TO CONTINUE OUT TO THE END OF THAT ROAD, AND THAT BREAKS DOWN THE ROAD EDGES AND THEY'RE IN THAT AREA.
>> SCHOOL BUSES. [NOISE] I TALKED ABOUT POCATE EARLIER, TALK ABOUT SMITH LANDING.
WE TALKED ABOUT ADAMS LANDING.
PARENTS ACTUALLY USED TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE END.
>> END OF THE ROAD, AND THE BUSES THAT DOWN.
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NOW THE BUSES GO DOWN ROADS AND GO IN 4TH STREET.>> I'M ABOUT TO SAY THE BERTH LANE, THE LITTLE RAND ROAD INITIAL.
>> WAS EITHER YOU WALKED HOME OR YOUR PARENTS PICKED YOU UP.
>> LIKE I SAID, HOW THEY PICK UP EVERY IN THE HOUSE ROAD.
>> THEN REALLY HAVE TO TURN AROUND SOMEWHERE.
>> YES, THE DEVELOPMENT BRIDGE.
>> YOU JUST WENT THROUGH [INAUDIBLE] THE BUS USE THIS INTERSECTION OF EVERY TRACK INTERSECTION.
>> AND THOSE INTERIOR SUBDIVISIONS, IF ROBIN'S ROAD USED TO BE THAT YOU WENT TO SCHOOL, YOU MET OUT THE ENTRANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU JUST WALKED OUT THERE AND WALKED BACK HOME AND NOW THE BUSES GO THROUGH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
>> THAT DEVELOPMENT FOR 30 SOME YEARS AGO.
THE ROAD STANDARD WAS A LITTLE LESS THAN IT IS TODAY AND THAT DEVELOPER DID MORE THAN A.
>> THIRTY YEARS AGO, OUR TRAFFIC WAS DIFFERENT TOO.
>> THEY USED TO GO SLEEP, BUT IT DOESN'T SLEEP.
>> THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION MY MIND SYSTEM FOR A MY LEG WAS RIGHT AROUND THE LET MY EYES [INAUDIBLE]
>> SO RIGHT AWAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME EDITS FOR YOU FOR THE FINAL DRAFT OF THIS, WHERE WE INCORPORATE.
SINCE 2010, THESE ARE THE NEW CHALLENGES THAT DPW WAS FACING IN THE PAID ROAD NETWORK.
BUT ALL OF THESE NEW IMPACTS THAT WEREN'T AROUND OR AN ISSUE BACK IN 2010.
ROB, WE'LL RUN A DRAFT TO YOU TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THEM.
I'VE GOT THREE PAGES OF NOTES HERE TO PUT THAT IN THIS ELEMENT AND ADDRESS THEM THAT WAY, THE CHALLENGES AND HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] PLAN IS LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE?
>> WHERE DID THEY GET THEIR FUNDINGS FOR?
>> BUT I MEAN, THESE, THE FIRST THREE GOALS THAT WE HAVE BY THEM THINKING AND COMING UP THEY KNOW THEY NEED A SYSTEM AND THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE WORKING ON THE TOP THREE.
>> OH, YEAH. I THINK WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE TREND SINCE 2010 IN TRANSPORTATION AND WHAT THE CHANGES ARE NOW THAT WE THERE IN 2010.
>> THERE'S SOME OF THE INFORMATION THROUGH THERE THAT'S NO GOOD.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE TALKED ABOUT IT OR ANYBODY SEE YOU WANT TO ADD ANY MORE GOALS FROM WHAT WE HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WITH THEM, THE WAY THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR SYSTEM.
IF YOU'RE READING THEM, YOU CAN READ THE FIRST THREE, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN EXPLAINING. THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE.
FOR US TO REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS AT WINPAT COUNTY ROAD, THEN WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH PLANS, WE GOT TO LOOK AT THAT.
NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THEM DUE TO THE EXISTING ONE, BUT YOU WANT TO DIG ANOTHER HOLE IN THE NORTH END OF COUNTY.
AT LEAST WE CAN MAKE YOU PUT IN A GOOD DRIVEWAY.
>> WE DO HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF ONE MINING OPERATION IN THE NORTH COUNTY THAT ACCESSED A GRAVEL ROAD.
AS PART OF ALLOWING THE APPROVAL FOR THAT MINING OPERATION, THEY HAD TO ENTER INTO A DRRA, WHICH IS A DEVELOPER'S RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRED THEM TO MAKE THAT A HARD SURFACE ROAD AS LONG AS
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THEY'RE THERE AND OPERATING IT UNTIL THEY'RE COMPLETE, THAT THEY'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN THAT.>> I KNOW SOME OF THE INFORMATION AND HERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE STATUS AND PRIORITIES FOR STATE ROADS AND ALL HAVE CHANGED IN THE LAST 10-15 YEARS.
>> TALKING ABOUT HOW IT HAS INCREASED, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY HOW IT INCREASES, IT PROBABLY EXPONENTIALLY SO.
IS THAT SOMETHIB THAT SHOULD BE NOTED SOMEWHERE?
>> BASED ON IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THE COUNTY NO LONGER ALLOWS MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS OUT IN THE COUNTY.
MOST OF THE PROJECTED GROWTH IS IN THE TOWNS, AND THAT IS LIMITED BY WHAT THEIR WASTEWATER AND WATER CAPACITY IS.
AND THERE'S ONLY TWO TOWNS, DENTON AND FEDERALSBURG, GREENSBOROUGH, SOMEWHAT THAT HAVE ENOUGH REMAINING CAPACITY TO ADD MEASURABLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT PROJECTING A LARGE AMOUNT OF WHAT WOULD BE LOCAL TRAFFIC.
THE CHALLENGE IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WHO'S COMING THROUGH ON THEIR WAY TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND HOW DO YOU CAPTURE IT AND THEN HOW DO YOU ADDRESS IT?
>> AND THAT IS PART OF AGAIN, THIS IS THE BIG PICTURE.
WE HAVE TO KEEP IT IN GENERALITIES.
BUT YES, AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS, LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE 2010.
WE CAN POTENTIALLY PROJECT WHAT COULD CONTINUE TO INCREASE, WHETHER IT'S VOLUME OR MORE OR HEAVIER VEHICLES OR MORE HOT WEATHER THAT DETERIORATES THE ROAD OR MORE RAINFALL THAT DETERIORATES THE ROAD BED AND CAUSES WASHOUTS.
THAT THING THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING IT TO YOU.
>> AND THEN WHEN YOU GO UNDER THE IMPLEMENTATION.
>> IS THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE OF ROADS IS WHERE WEATHER CHANGES?
>> THE QUESTION HERE IS WHAT THEY GET PAID TO DO.
HE'S SUPPOSED TO THINK THAT WAY ABOUT MAN, HOW'S THE TRAFFIC CHANGES? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPLAINT, THE BIG PICTURE SAYS WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> THESE ARE OUR IMPLEMENTATION AND BETWEEN THE TWO THE IMPLEMENTATION IN THE PRIORITIES, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENT PRIORITIES? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF, AND I TOOK A LOT OF NOTES.
>> WE ADDED BECAUSE OF INCREASING RAINFALL AND HEAT IMPACTING ROAD BED AND ROAD SURFACE, MOSTLY THROUGH FLOODING AND WASHOUTS AND REPEAT WASHOUTS.
WE CHANGED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT WHERE WE PUT IN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND FLOOD.
BEFORE, WE JUST HAD THE ROAD SYSTEM, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO ACCOUNT FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND INCREASED COASTAL FLOODING.
>> SOME OF THIS STUFF WAS CHANGED.
WHAT WAS THE WORDING THAT WE CHANGED THERE? I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE OF THOSE WE PUT THAT CHANGE THAT WORD FROM REQUIRING OR DOING SOMETHING TO SUPPORT.
>> THERE WAS WORDING INHERITANCE IF YOU READ IT [OVERLAPPING]
>> THINGS THAT THE STATE ACTUALLY DOES, WE DON'T DO [OVERLAPPING].
JUST SO WE'RE CONSISTENT IN OUR TERMINOLOGY.
I THINK IT'S IN YOUR DPW WORLD, DO YOU REFER TO THE ROAD SURFACES AS GRAVEL OR HARD SURFACE? INSTEAD OF PAVED, UNPAVED.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR USING THAT SAME TERMINOLOGY?
>> I THINK WE USED UNPAVED BECAUSE THE STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDERS SEE GRAVEL AND DIRT ARE UNPAVED.
BUT ARE ALL OF OUR UNPAVED ROADS, IN FACT, GRAVEL ROADS OR ARE SOME DIRT ROADS? ARE THEY GRAVEL ROADS WHERE THE GRAVEL'S GONE?
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>> [BACKGROUND] ARE YOU TALKING BANK DRONE GRAVEL, GRAVEL OR YOU TALKING ABOUT DIRT ROAD?
>> WERE TALKING ABOUT BANK DRONE GRAVEL.
>> BUT YOU'RE GETTING INTO WORDS, IF YOU ASK ANYBODY OUT HERE THAT SEES A BANK DRONE GRAVEL ROAD.
>> IT DOES FEEL LIKE THE PAVED.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK PAVED MEANS ASPHALT SURFACE, NOT A TAR AND CHIP SURFACE WHERE THEY WANT TO.
TAR AND CHIP IS NOT THE SAME AS GRAVEL, IS IT?
>> TAR AND CHEAP VERSUS ASPHALT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE REFERRED TO IT TO THE STONE ROAD.
>> STONE ROAD. I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT.
>> YOU GOT TO GET OLD ENOUGH PEOPLE AND THE STONE ROAD.
>> SO IF WE'RE SAYING UNPAVED IS GRAVEL AND MAYBE DIRT ACCIDENTALLY AND PAVED IS TAR AND CHIP AND ASPHALT, THAT'S HOW YOU GUYS SEE IT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE FIRST A CHANGE IN YEARS.
>> IS THAT LIKE A QUARTER-MILE ROAD?
>> SO IT'S ALL I NEED TO TAKE THAT OFF THE UNPAVED ROADS LIST.
>> YES. SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF?
>> FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE UNPAVED ROADS AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE CRITERIA.
YOU WOULDN'T GET AS SPECIFIC AS LISTING THE ROADS [OVERLAPPING] LIKE YOUR TOP FIVE OR I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S NO NEED TO GET THAT SPECIFIC.
>> THAT'S HIS CALL [OVERLAPPING] DATABASE THAT THEY CAN SPIN UP, THEN HE COULD.
BUT IF YOU'RE WORKING YOUR WAY TO IT, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD DO EVERY SINGLE ROAD TO THE DEGREE WE DID THE UNPAVED ROAD.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THERE FOR YEARS BASED ON [INAUDIBLE]
>> WE MAY INCLUDE IT AS IN THE TECHNICAL APPENDIX JUST SO THERE'S A REFERENCE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THAT MINUTE LEVEL IN THE TEXT OF THE PLAN.
>> THE PRIORITY COULD CHANGE BASED ON FUNDING OR JUST BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.
>> BUT THE ADJECTIVE STAYS THE SAME TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD.
THE PRIORITY, THE ROAD MAY CHANGE BECAUSE HANNAH AND THE FARM JUST BOUGHT 16 BIG TRACTORS AND THEY KEEP RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD AND IT'S TO ROAD OF.
AND NOW THAT ROAD IS WHICH WAS NUMBER 8 IS NOW NUMBER 1, BUT THE COMPLAINT IS JUST YOUR BIG PICTURE SAYS WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD.
>> AND ACCOUNT FOR CHANGES IN USES, DIFFERENT VEHICLE TYPE OR TRAFFIC TRAVEL?
>> WE'RE IN [INAUDIBLE] SITUATION WAS NUMBER 2 OR 3.
THEY COME UP WITH A SITE PLAN. THEY HAVE [INAUDIBLE]
>> AND THEN AGAIN, AND I HATE IT'S THE STAFF PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE COUNTY TAKES CARE OF ALL THESE.
IT'S JUST WE COME UP WITH A BIG PICTURE.
IT SAYS, PLEASE MAINTAIN A ROAD [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE WILL COME BACK TO THEM WITH A FINAL, IT'S STILL DRAFT NEXT MONTH, JULY.
AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO ALL THE OTHER CHAPTERS.
AND THEN PROBABLY EARLY NEXT YEAR, WE SHOULD HAVE A FULL DRAFT OF THE PLAN AVAILABLE FOR STATE AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WILL BE EDITING AND IMPROVING ON A SMALLER SCALE AT THAT POINT, BUT STILL TAKING EDITS RIGHT UP UNTIL PROBABLY LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER, WHEN IT WOULD BE UP FOR ADOPTION.
AND THEN YOU CAN AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
>> THE BIG PICTURE [INAUDIBLE]
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>> NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE IT [BACKGROUND]
>> IT WILL BE LISTED THROUGH THE TEXT IF YOU IDENTIFY YOUR PRIMARY ROAD THEY'RE LISTED THROUGH THE TEXT.
BUT AS WE LOOK AT THE PLAN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GOALS AND THEN HOW WE IMPLEMENT THE GOALS.
>> THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADD IN THE PAVED ROAD SECTION WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN, IS PRIMARY ROADS DESIGNATED PRIMARY ROADS BY THE COUNTY ARE PRIORITY ROADS FOR MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR.
>> SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO SAY, THESE ARE THE PRIMARY ROADS.
UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING THAT ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THEM, THAT WILL ALWAYS BE A PRIMARY ROAD.
SO I THINK WE WOULD KEEP IT AT THAT LEVEL, THAT THE ROADS THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS PRIMARY OUR TOP PRIORITY [OVERLAPPING].
SO YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT PRIMARIES, SECONDARY? DID YOU SAY TERTIARY? WHAT MIGHT HELP IS IF YOU CAN GIVE US AND WE CAN JUST A LITTLE BIT LIKE PRIMARIES OR THESE, SECONDARY, TERTIARY AND THEN WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE CLASSIFICATION. THANK YOU, ROB.
WE HAVE OUR OBJECTIVES 1, 02, 3, 4, 5, 6, AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD?
>> THE BLUE IS WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED?
>> STRIKING REMOVED. A CAR IS ADDED.
>> YOU GOT MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE ON A FUNCTIONAL ROAD AND TREAT SYSTEM FOR THE SAFETY.
>> FOR SAFE, CONVENIENT AND EFFICIENT MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE AND GOODS ALONG THE COUNTY AND STATE ROAD NETWORKS.
AGAIN, A VERY BIG PICTURE COMMENT.
HE JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT THEY'RE GOING INTO COUNTY TO IDENTIFY AND MAINTAIN THE ROAD.
REQUIRING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS AT ONE [INAUDIBLE]? I THINK THE COUNTY ROADS WHICH WE CAN USE THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] WE DO THAT WITH THE PERMIT PROCESS ORDINATE LOCAL TRAFFIC COUNTY [INAUDIBLE].
SO UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING ELSE [BACKGROUND].
>> FOR EVERY GOAL, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION OR NOT NECESSARILY.
>> NOT NECESSARILY SEPARATE, BUT THAT GOAL SHOULD BE COVERED WITHIN YOUR IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.
>> THAT'S SIX GOALS, AND ONLY [INAUDIBLE].
BUT YOU DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY GOAL IS COVERED BY [INAUDIBLE].
>> IS THERE GOING TO BE A SIMILAR MATRIX FOR THE PAVED ROADS AS THERE WAS FOR THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T KNOW BUT IT WILL BE AS IN DEPTH BECAUSE UNLIKE THE UNPAVED, THE PAVED HAVE A THREE TIER SYSTEM, PRIMARY, SECONDARY, TERTIARY.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THAT.
>> RIGHT. HE SAID THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THE [INAUDIBLE].
BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE [INAUDIBLE] IS PRIORITIZING THAT ALONG WITH YOU ALL JUST GOING OUT AND OFFICIAL.
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>> TRAFFIC COUNTS WILL BE PART OF HOW THEY DETERMINE, IT'LL HAPPEN THAT WAY BY NATURE BUT A TRAFFIC COUNT FIGURE WILL HELP DRIVE WHERE A PRIORITY ROAD IS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S GOT HIGHEST USE.
WHICH WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN, WAS HOW THE UNPAVED ROADS, THE ONES WITH THE MOST CALLS, THE MOST BUSES, THE MOST HOUSES, WERE THE ONES THAT JUST BY NECESSITY, WERE PUT AT THE TOP BECAUSE THEY GOT THE MOST BEATING.
IT'S WHO GETS BEATEN THE MOST.
>> WE DISCUSSED THIS AND TOOK THIS OUT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION.
REQUEST SIGNAGE AND APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS ON STATE HIGHWAYS THAT INDICATE THAT VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS ENTERED AN AGRICULTURAL AREA.
>> WELCOME TO CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> IT WAS IN THERE [INAUDIBLE] IT'S TAKEN OUT.
>> WE NEVER GOT IT FROM THE STATE.
>> PLUS THE THING IS IF [OVERLAPPING] YOU WANT TO GO TO CAROLINE COUNTY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET STUCK BEHIND A TRUCK.
DO WE NEED TO POST THE SIGNS? EVERYBODY COMING IN GOING, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET STUCK BEHIND A TRUCK.
>> THERE ARE GENERAL LIKE TRUCK [OVERLAPPING].
>> WATCH FOR TRUCKS ENTERING THE HIGHWAY.
>> BUT NOT AT EVERY FARM OPERATION.
>> I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT'S IMPORTANT.
>> WEEK BEFORE YOU EARTH SHATTERING NEEDED TO BE IN THE 10 YEAR [INAUDIBLE].
RETAINED SOME OF THE FROM REQUIRING TO SUPPORT STUFF MADE IT SOUND [INAUDIBLE].
THE FIRST ONE ADDRESSES THE FIRST COUPLE, TWO OR THREE IN GO.
SUPPORT THE COMPLETION OF 404.
WE THOUGHT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WE TAKE IT DOWN TO THE STATE LINE AND LET THEM DUMP THE TWO LANES AGAIN. GO BACK.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BACK IT UP, BUT WE JUST MAYBE WE'LL PUT ENOUGH PRESSURE ON DELAWARE AND THEN GO AHEAD AND PAVE IT ALL OUT.
IF YOU ALL ARE GOOD WITH IT, THEN WHAT THEY'VE CHANGED?
>> DO WE NEED TO MOVE A MOTION?
>> I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A MOTION NEXT MONTH, RIGHT?
>> TO APPROVE THE FINAL DRAFT, RIGHT.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS PUT IN THE UPDATED INFO FROM ROBIN AND DO A FINAL DRAFT FOR YOU GUYS FINAL COPY DRAFT FOR JULY.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS.
WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND LET'S IF THEY WANT TO.
DO EITHER ONE OF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> THE ONLY THING I JUST CURIOUS ANYWHERE IN HERE.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY [INAUDIBLE] CAR OR TRANSPORTATION TO BE MORE GREEN? LIKE RIDE SHARES OR SO LIKE TO HAVE A PLAN JUST TO PROMOTE THAT.
>> WELL, THE DRAWBACK THERE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION DIVISION OR DEPARTMENT AS PART OF OUR DPW.
OUR LANGUAGE IS TO SUPPORT STATE EFFORTS FOR COMMUNITY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES AND EFFORTS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PROMOTION OF RIDE SHARE SERVICES.
AGAIN, WE'RE AT THE GENERAL LEVEL IN THE COMP PLAN AND THAT COVERS THAT.
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WE CAN PUT THAT IN [INAUDIBLE] SUCH AS WE DIDN'T, BUT WE COULD SAY RIDE SHARING, BUS NETWORKS, COMMUNITY SHUTTLES, AS AN IE FOR INSTANCE ABOUT THAT.>> I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMEWHERE THAT IS EITHER AT THE BEGINNING OR IN THE GOALS OR SOMETHING SUPPORT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR SOMETHING?
>> YES. THE LAST PUBLIC ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION.
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
>> WELL, WE DO. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FULL [OVERLAPPING], IT'S NOT COUNTY.
IT'S PROVIDED BY STATE AGENCY, AND ROGER COULD PROBABLY FILL YOU IN ON THAT.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE RURAL AREA AND THE SPARSITY OF POPULATION, IT'S VERY HARD TO HIT EVERYBODY'S NEEDS.
YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A VEHICLE FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT THAT'S A CHALLENGE IN ALL RURAL COUNTIES.
>> IT'S RECOGNIZED THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT, BUT YOU COULDN'T GET A UBER HERE IF YOU WANTED TO, IT MIGHT TAKE YOU THREE HOURS TO GET IT, AND THEN THERE'S NOT A BUS RUNNING EVERY 15 MINUTES OR 20 MINUTES LIKE IN THE CITY.
>> WHICH IS ONE OF THE RIDE SHARES WHERE THE COMMUNITY GETS TOGETHER AND SAYS, HEY, SO AND SO HAS AN APPOINTMENT ON THURSDAY, CAN I EVEN HELP? OR LIKE ARE YOU GOING THAT WAY WHERE IT'S ONLY ONE VEHICLE THAT WE NEEDED [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, THAT'S WHERE OUR COMPLIANCE IS.
WE SUPPORT THEM, AND IF SOMEBODY BRINGS SOMETHING TO THE COUNTY AND WANTS TO START A BUSINESS OR WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH SOME PROGRAM, THEN OUR COMPLIANCE WE'LL SUPPORT THIS KIND OF STUFF.
>> BUT PROBABLY DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE CORRECT? PAGE 6, AND IT GOES INTO PAGE 7 TALKS ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS THAT ARE UTILIZED FOR CAROLINE COUNTY.
THEN ALSO AT THE PROBABLY HALF OF THE PAGE ON PAGE 7, IDENTIFIED A LOT OF THE TRANSIT ISSUES AND [INAUDIBLE] TIMES.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD WRAP INTO THAT.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED WITH, THERE'S GOOGLE TRANSIT AND THAT BASICALLY IT'S A FEATURE WITHIN GOOGLE MAPS THAT TALKS ABOUT TO LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN TIMES AND ALL, BUT IN COMMUNITY BUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SHARE.
THAT'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT THE DCT AND THE SERVICES THAT HELP PROVIDE IS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS IN THE COUNTY.
BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE OPTIONS ARE NEEDED.
BUT THAT FALLS BACK TO FUNDING AND WHAT CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR IS GETTING [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT I THINK YOU CAN BE [INAUDIBLE] ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS JUST EVEN A FREE [INAUDIBLE] URGE CITIZENS TO THINK ABOUT IT.
DOING THIS LIKE TO NOT NECESSARILY BE TRANSIT, BUT TO COMMUTE TOGETHER IF AT ALL POSSIBLE OR TO LIMIT [INAUDIBLE] USE.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN THAT WE CAN PUT INTO THIS WHERE WE HELP PEOPLE.
>> I THINK, SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THIS. THAT'S NOT US.
THE COMPLAINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT WE'LL SUPPORT BUSINESSES THAT COME IN.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO START A TAXI AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WE'RE SUPPORTING IT, BUT STARTING A FACEBOOK GROUP THAT PUTS VEHICLES OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE.
>> WE MUST ENCOURAGE THAT [INAUDIBLE].
IF ANYBODY ASKED ME, I'LL ENCOURAGE IT, BUT WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE COMP PLAN, WHICH IS A BIG PICTURE OF OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
THIS ELEMENT IS A TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT.
>> WE COULD ADD IN THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR IN THAT AREA, SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, HOW RIDE SHARING AND, ALL OF THOSE THINGS AMOUNT TO REDUCED VEHICLE TRAVEL ON ROADS, WHICH HELPS KEEP ROADS, IT'S BETTER FOR ROADS.
IF YOU CAN COMBINE TRIPS, IT'S BETTER FOR ROADS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TOO, THAT THESE PROGRAMS, WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY RIDE SHARING OR AN AGENCY PROVIDING A TRANSPORTATION SERVICE,
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ALSO HELP CONTRIBUTE TO KEEPING THE ROADS IN BETTER SHAPE BECAUSE THERE'S LESS CARS TRAVELING ON THEM.>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I GUESS IF WE CAN MAKE IT FIT IN THIS [OVERLAPPING] THAT THIS WAY.
>> THAT IS A GOOD POINT THAT THIS IS HELPFUL TO OUR EFFORTS TO KEEP ROADS.
>> WELL, I WOULD HELP EVERYTHING TO HELP EVERYTHING THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
>> THANKS FOR THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO A PREFERENCE, OR YOU CAN WRITE LIKE IF THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME AND OPEN A BUSINESS THAT YOU WOULD PREFER THAT THEY BE GREEN, NOT GREEN?
>> THAT IS GOING A LITTLE FAR.
YEAH, I KNOW WE ALL ARE LIKE, [INAUDIBLE].
>> EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE LOOKS COOL, SOMEBODY HAS BEEN MAKING NOTES I GUESS WITH THE CHANGES.
>> I WANT TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE AUDIO [INAUDIBLE].
>> NEXT MONTH WE'LL HAVE A FINAL DRAFT AND ANOTHER ONE TO LOOK AT. OH BOY.
THAT'S TRANSPORTATION. THANK YOU FOR COMING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE REST OF ALL THIS.
[LAUGHTER] THE NEXT ONE, IF THAT'S ALL YOU NEED FROM US FOR THAT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] YOUR FINAL DRAFTS [INAUDIBLE].
[Mineral Resources & Resources Conservation Chapters Final Drafts]
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MONTH AND WE MADE ALL THE CHANGES AND LET ME GET BACK UP TO.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. JUST GIVE ME A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGE THAT YOU MADE BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AND RECOMMENDATIONS [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS LINKED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, ALL THE DOCUMENTS ARE LINKED TO THE AGENDA.
>> YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR JUNE 11TH?
>> NOW, ARE YOU PLANNING ON GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS?
I WILL GO THROUGH THIS, AND THAT WAY WILL HELP THE ONLINE COMMUNITY HERE.
LAST MONTH, WE WENT THROUGH THE RESOURCES AND THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION DOCTORS, AND THE PLAN COMMISSION.
WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ON A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CHANGES AND OTHERS.
THEY ARE REFLECTED NOW TO ADDRESS THE MALL RESOURCE CHAPTER.
FIRST OFF, ON THAT ONE, WE ALL HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
I GOT YOUR PATIENT. THE DEPT ENVIRONMENT. HERE SAY THAT IS.
NDE INSPECTIONS AND REVIEW OF CYCLING REQUIREMENTS.
THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE INSPECTIONS.
DURING THE INITIAL INSPECTION AND ANY SPOT INSPECTIONS, MDE PRIMARILY REVIEWS THE MODE OF SERVICE AS SHOWN ON THE PRO CYCLE.
THEIR FOCUS IS ON ENSURING THAT SEVEN CONTROL FUNCTIONS IS FUNCTIONING PROPERTY IN PLACE.
CONFIRMING THAT REFLATION IS OCCURRING BEHIND ACTIVE AREAS, AND THEN VERIFYING THAT THE OPERATION COMPLIES WITH APPROVE.
IF A SITE PLAN INCLUDED ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER THEY CAME FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE OWES AND APPEALS, NDD WOULD ONLY REVIEW THE COMMISSION.
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OTHERWISE, ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT MAY NOT FALL UNDER THAT.THE COMMISSION LET'S SAY WANTED AN ADDITIONAL LET'S SAY UNDER LANDSCAPING BUFFER BETWEEN THE PARCEL AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S NOT WITHIN THE LOD.
IT'S NOT LOOKING TO SEE IS THAT BEING MAINTAINED? NO, THERE'S MULTIPLE INSPECTIONS THAT HAPPENED.
I'M STARTING WITH THE PROJECT OR GETTING YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND GETTING YOUR PERMITS.
BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING THAT IS MAINTAINED A TIME DOWN OR SQUMENT SO EVERYTHING IS GOING TO DONE.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT CONST SHOULD GO TO.
THAT IS FOTY SERVE ISSUES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO MPP OVERSIGHT.
FOR INSTANCE IF THEY OUT THERE IN THE SAY, COME DOWN ENFORCEMENT OF THE SITE.
WE WILL HAVE A CONTRACT INSPECTOR THE SITES WOULD JUST BE SIDE INSPECTION.
WHEN I SAID SAID CONTRACT INSPECTORS AND THEN TELLING US, THAT'S NOT OUTSIDE THE AREA REQUIREMENTS TO TRY TO ENFORCE THE FORCE YOU CAME UP WITH OTHER PERMITS ISSUED BY OUR TEAM.
THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THETIC ATION SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE DPS PERMITS.
THAT'S WATER DISCHARGE MANAGEMENT.
WATER PATION PERMITS AND SERVICE.
IT'S 11 PERMITS, WHICH IS ACCEDER.
AIR VOLUME PERMITS ARE NOT ISSUED OR SPECIFIED HANDLE.
PERMIT EXPIRATION NOTIFICATIONS IS TO NOTIFY EXPIRES.
POINTS IN TO PERMITS ABOUT FOR FIVE YEARS.
GENPAL S INS PERMIT EXPIRATION.
THERE'S NO WAY A OWNER OF BUSINESS DOES NOT KNOW THAT DATA TO SAY, OH, I KNOW.
AND HE ALSO SENDS AS DAY I AN OPERATOR FOR ASSIST REMOVAL APPLICATION S DOWN ON MA YOU FORGET.
ALLOW PER PERIOD AND EFFICIENT EXTENSION AS LONG AS THIS THIS IS WORKING TO GET THAT PAPERWORK IN.
BUT IF THE PERMIT AND EVALUATION IN THIS CASE, D HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REVOKE AND ASSESS EVEN THE STAFF AND FOR THE MOST PART, OPERATIONAL AND NOBODY IS DO AND SHOT.
I GOT. SO IT OF THE DISCUSSION ON IMPLEMENTATION.
SO REMEMBER THE FIRST FOUR ON THE IMPLEMENTATION S AT THE FOUR PROTECTION AWARDS.
WE CHANGE TO THE SURE AVAILABLE MEASURES TAKEN TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT, AND ALSO THE CONDITION RESULTING FROM MISTRUST AND INCREASE STRESS AND ADS, AND ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CAUSE IMPACT AND INTERPRETING SYSTEMS. BASED ON THE PERCEPTION OF THE FOLLOWING PIN, BOTH POINTS WERE ADDED IN THE S AND INCORPORATED THE INS.
BUT THE IDA REVIEW AND CONSIDER REUSING REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS OUTLINED.
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ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS SITE PLANS AND RE FIELDS APPLICATIONS.ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS SUED DETERMINE IMPLEMENTED BASED ON THE TYPE OF PLANNING PROCESS, LIMITATION, SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, SP OPERATION, FACILITIES, AJA AND PROPERTIES, LONG USE PROPERTY, ALSO TO REQUIRE SAL OF OPERATIONS.
OTHER ITEMS THAT MAY BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVALS CAN BE CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME.
CURRENT REQUIREMENTS MAIN OPERATION ARE THE SAME.
MINOR APPLICATION PROVIDED TO US FOR A APPLICATION.
I THINK THIS ONE IS VERY BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR A MINOR APPLICATION VERSUS A MAJOR APPLICATION RIGHT OFF THE BACK TO MAJOR.
THIS ONE, CONSIDER TO ALLOW PART TIME CONTRACT TO EXPECTED TO BE ANUAL SECTIONS TO ENSURE ALL REQUIREMENTS, EITHER OR ADDITIONAL REQUIRED TO THE COMMISSION AND FOR THE BOARD APPEALS, THE S BEFORE OR AFTER THIS BOARD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING HOSED A STATE ON THE APPLICATIONS FOR COMMISSIONS ON DEPARTING STAT THE APPLICANT FOR.
AS PS THE SAME HIGHWAY FOR ACCESS TO THIS.
AND WITH THE UPDATED TO REFINE SPECIFICALLY WHAT TRUCKS MEAN FOR LIMITATIONS PLACE AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND INCLUDE THAT REQUIRED INFORMATION ON SITE PLAN AND THE BOARD FILLS AS PARTIALLY S AS WELL AS.
SO THAT'S THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
AND THE MINERAL IS JUST THAT'S WHAT DO YOU CALL THE FINAL DRAFT? CORRECT.
RIGHT. IT'S STILL A DRAFT, BUT IT'S THE FINAL DRAFT.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE MINERAL FOR WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THEY MADE THE CHANGES, THAT'S DONE.
YOU GOOD? ARE YOU? I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND WE MIGHT HAVE TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE ACREAGE CAP ON SOLAR.
DID WE TALK ABOUT LIKE ACREAGE CAP ON? I THINK WE NEED.
NO EXTRACTION, OR IS THAT LIKE OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS OR GOING TOO FAR OR I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
BA I KNOW WE GOT WHAT 1,600 ACRES.
DID WE DISCUSS IT TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T ACRE.
BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT THERE WITH SOLAR, 1,600.
THE STATE THE STATE PROTECTS THE RIGHT TO MIND.
THEY DON'T QUITE PREEMPT US, BUT THEY KIND OF DO.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NICE ABOUT IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN LIMIT MATTER IF WE FIND.
IN FACT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THE MINERAL RESOURCES.
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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN LIMIT THEM.SO ALLOW OR WE ALLOWED TO CAP THE DIGGING IN ACCOUNT.
IF A TRY, YOU WILL PROBABLY ATTRACT A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT LAWSUIT, POSSIBLY FROM THE AG'S OFFICE, BUT CERTAINLY FROM A PRIVATE DOESN'T SOUND.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT ADVICE TO THEM WOULD BE TO BE CAREFUL.
SO WHAT WE CAN TELL OUR FELLOW CITIZENS THAT DON'T MATTER.
EVERYBODY WALKS IN HERE AND WANTS TO DIG A FARM UP, THEY'RE GOING TO DO? I I JUST VAGUELY REMEMBER MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO FOR AND I CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT THE MINING OPERATION WAS, BUT THE STATE MINING PERSON CAME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND THE QUESTION CAME UP BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHO WHO WERE IN THE AUDIENCE, WHO SAID WERE AGAINST IT.
AND I REMEMBER HIM SAYING YOU CAN'T DENY IT.
THIS IS A PROTECTED USE AND A PROTECTED RESOURCE FOR THIS KIND OF USE IN THE STATE.
BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THAT ABSOLUTE.
I JUST REMEMBER WE ALL WE LIKE, WELL, WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR? IT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY IT HAS TO HAPPEN.
WHATS HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER HOWEVER MANY YEARS UP TO, WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN SOLAR.
AND ALSO REMEMBER TO IN SOME OF THE SMALLER SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP, AND THAT'S YOUR MINOR LESS THAN FIVE ACRES ARE GENERALLY CREATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF AN IRRIGATION POND FARM.
AND MOST OF THE LARGER OPERATIONS ARE NOT FOR THAT USE.
AND BECAUSE IF THEY WANTED TO MINE THAT POND AND LEAVE THE SPOILS ON SITE, THAT WOULD NOT EVOKE AN MDE MINING PERMIT.
IT'S THE FACT THAT THE MINERALS LEAVE THE SITE THAT REQUIRES THE MDE MINING PERMIT.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT THE DIRT ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY WANT THE IRRIGATION POND, SO THEY'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE YOU KNOW, PROFIT AND AND SELL OFF THE SAND.
AND BASICALLY, THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO IS CONTROL THE LITTLE THINGS.
TRAFFIC ENTRANCE. HOURS OPERATES LOS PER DAY.
WELL, WHERE, THEY CONFIRM THAT RECLAMATION YOU MIND ONE PORTION THIS SECTION.
>> THIS IS YOUR [INAUDIBLE] >> [OVERLAPPING] WE TAKE EVERYTHING AND CAN THEN RECLAIM IT.
>> I CAN PLANT SOME GRASS ON THE BANK, AND NOW WE'VE GOT A GRASSY POND.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GROW CORN THERE ANYMORE, IT'S DONE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
>> REMOVING EQUIPMENT, REMOVING THE WHOLE ROADS ARE GONE.
STABILIZING THE BANKS. >> [INAUDIBLE]
>> SMOOTH IT OUT AND PLANT SOME GRASS [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE ARE MAPPED VEINS OF SAND AND GRAVEL.
IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T BLANKET THE WHOLE COUNTY.
THERE'S ACTUAL DEPOSITS, PENNSAUKEN, AND SO THERE'S NAMES FOR ALL OF THEM THAT ARE GENERALLY MAPPED.
YOU CAN PRETTY WELL SEE WHERE THERE WOULD BE LIKELY MINING OPERATIONS.
WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY SEEKING THEM, THEY ACTUALLY GO OUT AND TEST TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL IS AVAILABLE THERE.
>> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
I LIKE ANNA'S IDEA OF DOING OUR PART AND THEN CAPPING AT WHAT WE DO.
I THINK NOW WE'D SAY WE GOT ABOUT 23 OPERATIONS IN THE COUNTY.
ALL THE ONES THAT ARE PERMITTED.
WE'RE DIGGING OVER 1,600 ACRES.
THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE 70 FEET DEEP,
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SO 1,600 TIMES 70 FEET DEEP.HOWEVER, YOU'RE MOVING THAT MUCH DIRT OUT OF HERE.
>> DO YOU WANT STEWART TO FIND OUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING?
>> NO. I AGREE WITH STEWART. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
WE CAN SAY NO, AND IT'S GOING TO TRIGGER A LAWSUIT BY SOME CONTRACTOR THAT WANTS TO DIG A HOLE.
IT'S GOING TO TRIGGER A LAWSUIT, AND THEN THE COUNTY'S GOT TO DEFEND IT.
IN THE END, THE STATE'S GOING TO SAY, YOU GOT TO LET HIM DO IT.
>> WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN PLANNING SOMETHING, KNOWING THEIR MINERAL WEALTH UNDER THE GROUND.
SO THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE ACCUSED OF INTERFERING WITH A PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE OR SHE WANTS TO DO.
>> WE'RE BEING TAUGHT THAT WITH SOLAR AND SANDPITS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR MAP ON PAGE 10 OF THE TOTAL MINING ACREAGE PERMIT, 1,500 ACRES.
GENEVA, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PULL THAT UP ON THE SCREEN AND BLOW UP JUST A CERTAIN AREA.
>> PAGE 10 ON THE DOCUMENT, NOT PAGE 10 IN YOUR PACKAGE. IT'S THE MAP.
THE VISUAL CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING HERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEANS AT THE MOMENT TO SHOW THE PARCEL. THIS MAP?
>> NO >> NO. IN THE MINERAL RESOURCES.
>> FOR INSTANCE, NORTHWEST OF GREENSBOROUGH, THERE'S WHAT LOOKS TO BE A LARGER PARCEL OF LAND.
THAT IS A IRRIGATION POND, AND IT'S I WANT TO SAY 5.2 ACRES.
I NEED SOME READING GLASSES, BUT I THINK IT'S 5.2 ACRES.
BUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY SHOWN THERE IS THE ENTIRE FARM PARCEL.
IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING ON THE VISUAL PART BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REALLY ACTUALLY CAPTURE THE ACTUAL MINING ON THE WHOLE FARM.
THE ONLY WAY WE WERE ABLE TO DEPICT THIS WAS TO SHOW THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
SOME OF THESE WHERE IT SHOWS A WHOLE FARM MIGHT JUST BE A SMALL FIVE ACRE FARM POND.
>> THIS IS THE OTHER DIRECTION.
>> IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, GOT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S THE WHOLE ENTIRE FARM THAT'S SHOWN IN YELLOW, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST 5.2 ACRES.
>> I ASSUME THAT 1,500 ACRES IS BASED OFF OF THE MINING PERMIT ACREAGES, OR IS IT BASED OFF OF THE PARCEL ACREAGES SHOWN.
BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO PROBABLY CLARIFY THAT.
>> THE ONLY THING THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IS THE VISUAL ASPECT OF IT IN TERMS OF THOSE SMALLER ONES.
MOST OF THE LARGER ONES, THEY ARE MINING MOST OF THE PARCEL, SO IT IS PRETTY ACCURATE THERE, JUST ON THE SMALLER ONES.
>> IT'S A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO TO CONTROL THE IMPACT, RIGHT MR STEWART?
>> I DON'T WANT ANOTHER LAWSUITS [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN DO THAT. [INAUDIBLE]
>> SHE CAN. THAT WAS THE BEST WE CAN DO [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON EACH SEPARATE CHAPTER?
>> DO WE WANT TO DO BOTH CHAPTERS AND THEN MAKE A MOTION? [OVERLAPPING] ROGER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE MINING MINERAL?
>> FINAL GRADE. THEY'VE MADE THE CHANGES THAT WE REQUESTED.
NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS. IS THERE A MOTION?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE MINERAL RESOURCES CHAPTER.
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MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT?
HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> ALL OPPOSE? IT PASSES SO YOU HAVE YOUR FINAL DRAFT.
>> NOW WE'LL GET TO THE RESOURCE CONFIRMATION CHAPTER [INAUDIBLE].
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION EARLIER [INAUDIBLE].
I WENT AND DID RESEARCH [INAUDIBLE] AND I FOUND OUT THAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN [INAUDIBLE].
>> ALWAYS BEEN THE CREEK. [OVERLAPPING] NO IT JUST CHANGED, LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING NEW.
I FOUND THAT ON THREE DIFFERENT PLACES, TALKED TO A FEW OTHER PEOPLE AND TUCKER CREEK HAS ALWAYS BEEN TUCKER CREEK.
>> WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DISCUSSION ON THAT, VERY LITTLE CHANGES.
THAT WAS THE INTERESTING HISTORY TIDBIT WAS TUCKER RIVER, IT'S NOW A CREEK.
WAS IT SOUNDERS? [OVERLAPPING] DID YOU LIVE ON A RIVER, OR YOU LIVE ON THE CREEK? I MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION CHAPTER FINAL DRAFT AS PRESENTED BY MISS OLIVIA.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
IT PASSES. MISS OLIVIA, THERE YOU GO.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, EVERYBODY AGREED THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO MOVE FORWARD, WE FIGURE THE FALL.
EVERYBODY GETS THROUGH [INAUDIBLE] THURSDAY, OCTOBER 8TH AT THE PRESTON TOWN HALL, 06:00 PM IS WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT.
I WILL BE WORKING WITH JEN, PROBABLY THE END OF AUGUST [INAUDIBLE] WILL UPDATE THE WEBSITE PAGE FOR THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
WE'LL BE SENDING FLYERS OUT THROUGH THE EMAILS THAT WE GOT FROM THE FIRST ONE AND TO EVERYBODY WHO DID THE SURVEY TWO TO THREE YEARS AGO.
AND THEN WE WILL BE DISTRIBUTING THEM TO ALL THE TOWNS AND ANY BUSINESSES THAT WE CAN TRY TO GET A GOOD TURNOUT.
UNLESS SOMETHING COMES OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND FOR SOME A REASON, [INAUDIBLE] I WILL ALSO BE BRINGING AN UPDATED SCHEDULE [INAUDIBLE] BY TOMORROW.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> [INAUDIBLE] YOU PUT THESE FINAL DRAFTS, JUST PUT THEM TOGETHER.
THEN AT THE END, YOU APPROVE THE WHOLE THING AND IT BECOMES A FINAL. IS THAT HOW THAT GOES?
>> YES. SO EACH ONE [INAUDIBLE] THEN YOU APPROVE IT.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU ON SOME OF THESE THAT IF WE GET ANY UPDATED INFORMATION, PROGRAM DURING THE SUMMER WE WILL EXCHANGE TO SEE EACH CHAPTER.
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THEN AT THE VERY END, IT'S GOING TO GO OFF IN THIS WHOLE PACKAGE [INAUDIBLE]>> THEY USUALLY SEND IT TO ADJOINING COUNTIES.
QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY, DORCHESTER WILL PROBABLY BE ASKED IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE WILL BE ASKED TO REVIEW THEIRS, AND JUST PROVIDE COMMENTS.
THEN ALL THE STATE AGENCIES WILL WEIGH IN.
THAT DATE, THE MAY 8TH MEETING DATE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WE TRIED TO PUT IT LIKE WE DID THE LAST ONE ON THE MEETING.
>> ACTUALLY IT'S ON [INAUDIBLE].
>> [INAUDIBLE] OCTOBER 8TH IS A WEDNESDAY. YES. WE'RE DOING IT ON OCTOBER 8TH, WEDNESDAY.
[INAUDIBLE] DO WE NOT HAVE OR WE SHIFTED OUR MEETING?
>> I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT BE ALL ABOUT THAT AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS EVERY MONTH AND WE TOOK OCTOBER OFF. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING FAR.
>> OUR LAST ONE WAS NOT A WEEKEND.
>> BUT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IF WE SKIP THE MONTH.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT UNLESS SOMETHING CAME UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
ARE WE GOOD? ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO INTO?
[Motion for Closed Session]
>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CLOSED SESSION TO CONSULT WITH COUNCIL, LEGAL CONCERT ENTERTAIN LEGAL DEVICE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, GENERAL PROVISIONS, ARTICLE 3-305D7.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
>> MAY I ASK YOU TO AMEND THAT TO INCLUDE SECTION B8 OF 3-305, WHICH IS CONSULT WITH STAFF CONSULTANTS OR OTHER INDIVIDUALS ABOUT PENDING OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
>> I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
>> LET ME SAY SO MOVED [LAUGHTER]
>> I MAKE A MOTION WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION TO MEET WITH STAFF AND LEGAL COUNSEL TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE.
>> SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> WE WILL BE GOING INTO CLOSED SESSIONS, 7:30.
>> WHO WAS REQUIRED TO 734? ARE WE GOOD?
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[Reconvene Open Session]
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[02:13:55]
[02:13:56]
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THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS RECONVENING IN OPEN SESSION AFTER MEETING IN[02:14:05]
CLOSED SESSION WITH COUNSEL TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE AND STAFF.[02:14:12]
>> WAIT. I'M SORRY. IT'S STILL SHOWING CLOSED.
[02:14:14]
NOW YOU CAN GO. SORRY. >> AT 8:14, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS RECONVENING IN OPEN SESSION AFTER MEETING IN CLOSED SESSION WITH COUNSEL TO GET LEGAL ADVICE AND MEETING WITH STAFF TO REVIEW PENDING AND POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE
[Legislation to Amend Chapter 175, Non-Accessory Wastewater Treatment Facilities in the R-Rural Zoning District]
IS THE LEGISLATION FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, BILL 2025-007, PERTAINING TO CERTAIN NON-ACCESSORY WASTEWATER FACILITIES FOR USE IN THE RURAL DISTRICT.[02:15:09]
MS. LESLIE, [OVERLAPPING] CAN YOU GIVE US SOME INFORMATION.>> THIS PROPOSED LEGISLATION AMENDS REGULATION TO PERMIT NON-ACCESSORY WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES WITH SOME PROVISIONS, INCLUDING THAT THE OPERATION THAT THESE FACILITIES ARE SERVING IS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR BOTH IN USE AND FUNCTION TO THE FACILITY'S PRIOR OPERATION UNDER ITS STATE DISCHARGE PERMIT, AND THAT THE OPERATION IS NOT A SHARED FACILITY.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S ONE USER, NOT TWO OR MORE USERS OF THE FACILITY.
>> ALSO THAT ANY FACILITY WOULD HAVE HELD AN ACTIVE MDE STATE DISCHARGE PERMIT WITHIN THE THREE YEARS PRECEDING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF ANY ENACTMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE.
>> YOU USED THE WORD USER, BUT IT'S USER AND OWNER, RIGHT?
>> CORRECT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE ON TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, BOTH PROPERTIES HAVE TO BE OWNED BY THE SAME ENTITY OR INDIVIDUAL.
IF ONE PROPERTY IS GENERATING WASTEWATER TO THE OTHER PROPERTY, THAT SAME INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY HAS TO BE BOTH THE GENERATOR OF THE WASTE AND THEN THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR RUNNING THE SYSTEM THAT TREATS THE WASTE.
>> THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY?
>> THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
>> BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] IT CAN'T LEASE THE PROPERTY.
>> YOU COULDN'T LEASE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE AND THEN LET THEM PAY YOU TO TREAT IT ON YOUR PROPERTY.
IT HAS TO BE ONE ENTITY OR ONE INDIVIDUAL.
>> IF IT'S OTHER THAN THAT, IT WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING] THEN IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A SHARED FACILITY, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED PER OUR COMPREHENSIVE WATER AND SEWERAGE PLAN.
>> YOU SAID WITH A ACTIVE PERMIT WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
>> WHICH IS A LITTLE SHORT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE ALL FEELING, BUT I THINK FIVE YEARS.
>> I AGREE, IT SHOULD BE INCREASED TO FIVE YEARS.
>> BUT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE CONSIDERING THREE YEARS.
>> BUT YOU CAN RECOMMEND A LONGER PERIOD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING A LONGER PERIOD.
>> BEAR IN MIND HERE, [NOISE] STAFF HAS COME UP WITH THIS PROPOSED BILL AND IT GOES TO YOU FIRST.
THE 0COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT INTRODUCED IT.
IT'LL GO THROUGH THREE READINGS AND A PUBLIC HEARING, SO YOU'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.
DON'T FEEL LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS ETCHED IN STONE A THREE-YEAR TIME LIMIT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COLLECTIVELY STAFF HAS COME UP WITH AS A PROPOSAL.
YOU'RE NOT CONTRADICTING YOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF YOU COME UP WITH A HIGHER NUMBER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] PART OF THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE THREE YEARS, KNOWING THAT MDE'S PROCESS TO OBTAIN THE STATE DISCHARGE PERMITS CAN BE LENGTHY, TWO YEARS.
IT IS POSSIBLE. GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE IS THAT LEVEL OF IT, THERE MAY BE SOME CONSIDERATION TO CHANGE THAT FROM THREE YEARS TO A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WITH ANY PERMITTING PROCESS, WE SEE A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, AND THEN A FINAL SITE PLAN COULD BE YEARS APART, SO THIS GIVES THE APPLICANT TIME.
>> I AGREE WITH THE FIVE YEARS.
MS. LESLIE, YOU HAVE THIS INFORMATION, AND YOU ALSO KNOW OUR COUNTY WATER AND SEWER PLAN.
>> THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY WATER AND SEWER PLAN.
>> ACTUALLY, WE CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF THE WATER SEWER PLAN, IT'S SHORT.
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT SENT OUT.
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SHARED FACILITIES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY WILL NOT SERVE AS A CONTROLLING AUTHORITY FOR THEM.
>> THAT HAS BEEN IN THE PLAN SINCE THE PLAN WAS CREATED.
>> WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING IS NOT A SHARED FACILITY.
>> CORRECT. A SHARED FACILITY IS TWO OR MORE USERS.
>> SHOOT, I [INAUDIBLE] WEIGH IN.
>> THAT'S OKAY. [LAUGHTER]. THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS.
THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED AND WE WILL NOT BE A CONTROLLING AUTHORITY. YES.
>> I CAN READ IT. NUMBER 13, THE USE OF INNOVATIVE WASTEWATER COLLECTION, TREATMENT, AND DISPOSAL SYSTEMS IS ENCOURAGED FOR EXISTING PROBLEM AREAS ONLY FOR REPLACEMENT SYSTEMS AND SHALL BE REVIEWED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
SHARED FACILITIES DO NOT CONFORM TO THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WILL NOT BE APPROVED.
A MANAGEMENT ENTITY FOR SHARED FACILITIES WILL NOT BE ESTABLISHED.
>> THAT'S IN THE POLICIES CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE WATER AND SEWER PLAN.
>> THAT MAKES IT PRETTY CLEAR.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ASKED US TO REVIEW? [NOISE] WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING FOR LEGISLATIVE BILL 25-007?
>> WE ARE SENDING THIS TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> AFTER EVERYBODY'S REVIEWED THIS, WE MIGHT AGREE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR WATER AND SEWER PLAN.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ENACTMENT OF EMERGENCY LEGISLATION BILL 25-007 AS THEY'RE WRITTEN, AS THEY'RE CONSIDERING IT WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY INCREASE THE PERMIT FROM 3-5 YEARS.
>> THE TIME SINCE THE PERMIT [OVERLAPPING] WAS OPTED.
>> THE EXPIRATION OF THE PERMIT FROM 3-5 YEARS. DOES THAT COVER IT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S THE MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
>> HOW SOON WOULD THAT SHOW UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS?
IT'LL HOPEFULLY BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WE MET ON THE 10TH, SO IT WOULD BE THE-
>> I DON'T HAVE MY AGENDA, BUT THE NEXT THING IS A BZA UPDATE.
[BZA Update]
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT, AND THE BZA UPDATE FOR APRIL.
THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THEY HEARD A CASE ON MAY 20TH, 2025.
CHABERTON SOLAR JABAL LLC APPLIED FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION NUMBER 23-0044 FOR A NEW 2.0 MEGAWATT SMALL-SCALE COMMERCIAL SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM ON CLARK CANNING HOUSE ROAD IN FEDERALSBURG.
IT'S A 63.3 ACRE PARCEL WHICH WILL CONTAIN A 22.7 SOLAR ARRAY.
THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION,
[02:25:02]
AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE THE BZA UPDATE.>> NO SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS, NO NOTHING?
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU WILL SEE A SEWER SITE PLAN.
>> IS THIS ONE SEPARATE FROM THE ONE ON OLD DENTON?
>> SAME COMPANY, DIFFERENT PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT DID NOT REQUEST A CPCN.
THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING THROUGH OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
>> ANY OF THOSE THAT DO GO THROUGH CPCN DO NOT GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION.
>> CPCN, CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED AND CONVENIENCE.
>> THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION.
>> THE STATE? BECAUSE IT'S SMALL ENOUGH ON SCALE, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE.
>> YES. IT'S A CERTAIN MEGAWATT.
>> FIVE MEGAWATTS OR SOMETHING.
LET THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY GET IN ON THE GAME.
>> IT'S CAUSING SOME [INAUDIBLE]
>> I GUESS THE SUN SHINES DOWN THERE TOO.
>> YES, THIS WAS THE ONE THEY DID LAST.
THE MONTH BEFORE THAT WAS THE PRESTON SOLAR.
>> NO. IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPANY.
>> YES. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WENT THROUGH OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, AND THAT WILL COME TO YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
>> EVEN IF IT'S IN TOWN LIMITS?
>> SO IS THE OTHER ONE IN FEDERALSBURG, RIGHT?
>> YES. BOTH OF THOSE ARE PART OF THE TOWN.
>> THEY MUST BE RIGHT ON THE EDGE.
>> WAIT, YOU'VE BEEN TO FEDERALSBURG?
>> COUPLE MORE HOUSES AND THAT'S THE TOWN HALL, THAT'S IT.
>> THAT'S NOT IN A GROWTH AREA?
[Department Update]
>> I DO NOT HAVE A DEPARTMENT UPDATE FOR YOU.
I CAN TELL YOU WE WILL BE ATTENDING THE CHABERTON OLD DENTON ROAD PUBLIC HEARING TOMORROW NIGHT.
>> AT THE FEDERALSBURG LIBRARY.
>> IS IT GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE?
>> I THINK SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
>> BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS AT FIVE.
>> IT'S AT 5:00 PM AT THE FEDERALSBURG LIBRARY.
>> IT'S ON MY CALENDAR FOR FIVE.
>> WILL I WEAR MY FARMER HAT OR PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAT?
>> WEAR BOTH. [LAUGHTER] SWITCH THEM OUT.
>> THURSDAY. WHAT TIME, SIX? FIVE, SIX?
>> IT'S ON MY CALENDAR FOR FIVE.
SOMEBODY SENT IT TO ME FOR FIVE.
>> IT MEANS HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING AT DINNERTIME.
>> IT'S LIKE HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING AT MIDNIGHT.
>> OPEN DISCUSSION, [NOISE] AND I'M GOING TO ASK. WHAT IS THAT?
[Open Discussion & Public Comment]
IT IS 6:00 PM.I PROBABLY PUT IT ON OUR CALENDARS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE EARLY, SO IT IS SIX.
>> SORRY, LESLIE. I PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
[LAUGHTER] YOU'LL BE EXTRA EARLY.
>> I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THERE AT FOUR.
>> YOU COULD CHECK OUT SOME BOOKS.
>> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AWFUL.
>> THAT'S TRUE. THERE IS SOMETHING TO DO DOWN THERE. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE HAVE SOMETHING FROM YOU, THAT'S UP HERE ON EARTH.
I'M ASSUMING A CITIZEN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT COUNTY, SENT ME AN EMAIL REGARDING A SERIOUS CONCERN AND WANTED TO LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT SENATE BILL 931, THE RENEWABLE ENERGY CERTAINTY ACT, THIS BILL STRIPS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OFF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL ZONING AUTHORITY AND THREATENS THE EASTERN SHORE'S, AGRICULTURAL, ECONOMY, ECOSYSTEMS, AND DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
THE CITIZEN ANNA TIDBECK INDICATES THAT
[02:30:07]
THE SENATE BILL 931 VIOLATES THE SPIRIT OF ARTICLE 11-A. IS THAT 11?>> THANK YOU. 11-A OF THE MARYLAND CONSTITUTION, OVERRIDING LOCAL DECISION-MAKING IN FAVOR OF STATE-IMPOSED SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT THAT BILL OUTLINES IS IT ENDANGERS UP TO 30,000 ACRES OF FARMLAND, CONTRADICTS DNR, CLEAN WATER AND CONSERVATION GOALS, DISRUPTS WILDLIFE CORRIDORS, AND THE MIGRATORY BIRDS HABITATS, ECONOMICALLY BENEFITS UTILITY MONOPOLIES WHILE HARMING RURAL COMMUNITIES.
THEY WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO TAKE ACTION BY SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO REPEAL OR AMEND SENATE BILL 931.
THEY'RE CALLING FOR A MORATORIUM ON STATES, OVERRIDES OF LOCAL ZONINGS AND ENSURING FULL PUBLIC INPUT THROUGH HEARINGS IN EFFECTIVE COUNTIES.
WITH THE PACKET THAT I PROVIDED TO EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS, IT GOES FURTHER INTO HIDDEN COSTS OF MARYLAND'S SENATE BILL 931, A THREAT TO FARMING, ENVIRONMENT, AND THE ECONOMY ON THE EASTERN SHORE.
THAT'S A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO DISCUSS OPENLY WITH THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
>> EVA RECEIVED THIS AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD ADMINISTRATOR.
I THINK THIS PERSON, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, CITIZENS IN MARYLAND, ARE SENDING THIS INFO ABOUT THE SOLAR BILL TO LOCAL PLANNING BOARDS AND GOVERNING BODIES TO GET THE WORD UP TO THE STATE LEVEL THAT THEY WANT THIS OPPOSED.
>> OUR COMMISSION IS ALREADY FIGHTING THIS BILL.
THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING IT SINCE THE BEGINNING.
>> THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO NOW.
>> I THINK WHAT THEY WANT TO DO NOW, OR YOU COULD CORRECT ME, IS THEY'RE PUSHING TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE IT TO REFERENDUM.
>> THERE'S TALK OF A SPECIAL SESSION WHERE THEY CALL BACK THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO REVISIT CERTAIN THINGS.
ONE OF THEM MIGHT BE THIS BILL.
>> BECAUSE I THINK AS FAR AS US, WE'RE SUPPORTING WITH THE WHAT SHE'S ASKING TOO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN DO, OTHERWISE OUR HANDS ARE TIED.
>> WE DON'T KNOW, GENEVA DIDN'T KNOW.
THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL IF SHE'S A CAROLINE COUNTY RESIDENT OR AN ALLEGHENY COUNTY RESIDENT.
>> JUST HELPING GET THE WORDS.
>> LAST WEEK WAS THE BIG PUSH TO TRY AND GET SIGNATURES AND THE WORD UP TO THE GOVERNOR.
>> I THINK IT WAS A CITIZEN TRYING TO DO THAT.
>> YOU CAN ANSWER HER AND TELL HER WE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORTS YOUR EFFORTS AND AGREES, AND ARE WORKING TO DO THE SAME THINGS YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO, ALONG THOSE LINES.
>> IS SHE FROM A SPECIFIC AGENCY OR JUST CONCERNED CITIZEN? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S JUST A RANDOM EMAIL THAT CAME.
>> PROBABLY A BLANKET EMAIL THAT WENT TO EVERYBODY.
>> THE ONLY THING LEFT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE ON IT, AND I DID RESEARCH.
>> I DID RESEARCH THE PERSON TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE A LEGITIMATE PERSON AND NOT JUST-
>> A BOT. I WAS ABLE TO FIND THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> THE ONLY THING LEFT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. HOW YOU DOING?
>> [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] >> COME TO ANY MEETING, IT'S JUST RIVETING CONVERSATION.
IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
[Motion to Adjourn]
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY EYE.
[02:35:01]
>> AYE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.