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ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
THE BURIAL SITES PRESERVATION BOARD, AND I THINK.
DOES EVERYONE KNOW EVERYONE? WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE JESSIE TO EVERYONE, EVEN THOUGH HE'S INDIVIDUALLY MET? EVERYONE, RIGHT. SINCE HE'S TECHNICALLY THE NEW PERSON.
OKAY. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, MY NAME IS JESSE HAMMACK.
I'M AN ATTORNEY. THAT THE COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD SAY, HAVE ENGAGED, BUT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING THE CONTRACT AS A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY. STEWART BARROLL IS STILL THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
AND I AM ACTING, AND MY FIRM IS ACTING AS PRIMARY, IF NOT EVENTUALLY SOLE OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THE COUNTY TO ADVISE THE VARIOUS BOARDS.
STEWART IS TAKING OVER MORE OF THE HIGHER LEVEL STUFF WITH THE COMMISSIONERS WANT DEALT WITH AND I'M HELPING TO MAN THE BOARDS.
I GREW UP IN QUEENSTOWN, WENT TO SCHOOL OVER HERE THROUGH COLLEGE AT WASHINGTON COLLEGE, WENT TO LAW SCHOOL IN BALTIMORE, AND I HAVE A FIRM IN EASTON.
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WE ALSO HAVE AN OFFICE IN CAMBRIDGE, AND I HAVE A LITTLE SATELLITE OFFICE OVER HERE IN TOWN. OKAY, OKAY.I'M RETIRED FROM THE ARMY AND FROM THE MITER CORPORATION.
I'VE BEEN LIVING OVER HERE SINCE 2017, BUT MY FATHER'S FAMILY IS FROM HERE.
FROM WAY, WAY BACK. AND I'M ON.
I'M AN OFFICER ON THE UPPER SHORE GENEALOGICAL SITE IN MARYLAND, A BOARD MEMBER FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
AND I HAVE A NONPROFIT FOR THE WESLEY M.E.
CHURCH PRESERVATION GROUP TO TRY TO PRESERVE THAT CEMETERY AND CHURCH UP IN BURRSVILLE, MARYLAND. ERIC CHISHOLM, HISTORY PROFESSOR AND FARMER CHIP WINNERS.
RETIRED FROM 38 YEARS OF BATTLE WITH THE STATE OF MARYLAND AS AN EMPLOYEE.
I'M JEFF PORTER. I'M RETIRED FROM THE COUNTY, AND I'M THE BURIAL SITES CHAIRMAN.
I'M RANDY MOORE, AND I AM NOT RETIRED, BUT I AM THE LOCAL.
A LOCAL FUNERAL DIRECTOR, SUE SIMMONS, RETIRED FROM CAROLINE COUNTY AS WELL. AND HAPPY TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
JIM LEWIS RETIRED FROM UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, PROFESSOR EMERITUS. I WORKED FOR LIKE 32 YEARS, I THINK IT WAS. AND ALSO FARMER IN THE COUNTY.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANYBODY, CAN I SIT IN THE MIDDLE HERE SO I CAN SEE THE SCREEN? ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? NO.
DOES ANYBODY COME TO SPEAK? IF SO, IF SO, IF SO, I'LL JUST MOVE.
THEN JUST TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.
OVER HERE. OH I I'VE GOT I READ IT.
I'M GOOD. MY OTHER QUESTION WE HAVE I HAVE THREE EMAILS.
ARE THEY ALL THE SAME THE ATTACHMENTS.
OR DID YOU ONLY SEND ONE SET OF.
OKAY I GOT THREE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE ALL THE SAME.
ONE SAYS MATERIALS, ONE SAYS INVITED TO LOOK AT MATERIALS.
YEAH, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT PROJECTED.
I HAVE ONE SET PRINTED OUT AND HOPEFULLY ONE OF THOSE WILL BE THE ONE.
IF IT HAD IT REJECTING THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT HAD SO MANY NUMBERS IN IT, SO IT GETS TRICKY SOMETIMES.
ANOTHER QUESTION. DO WE HAVE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? WE WE DO NOT HAVE MINUTES.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RECORDED, BUT THE RECORDING FILE WAS CORRUPTED AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY. SOMEBODY BRIBED IT AND CORRUPT IT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE WRITTEN, SO NOBODY GOT THE RIGHT MINUTES.
IF WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES, I HAVE NOTES AS TO WHAT WENT ON SCHEDULE FOR THAT. BUT BASICALLY THE MAIN THING WAS THAT WE DETERMINED THAT CHERRYWOOD WAS THE BURIAL SITE.
I'M FINE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. ESPECIALLY SUE SIMMONS.
NOW, WHAT HAVE WE HEARD FROM THE CHERRY?
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IS IT CHERRYWOOD? YEP.I'LL REVIEW THE TECHNICAL REPORT OF SEARCH, LLC.
FIELDWORK REVIEW. CHERRYWOOD CEMETERY PLAN.
DISCUSSION AND DETERMINATION OF CEMETERY PLANS.
SUFFICIENCY. DID THEY SUBMIT ANYTHING TO US? YES. THAT'S WHAT WAS EMAILED TO YOU.
ARE YOU MAD? NO. I'LL COME GET IT.
THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR HAVING A GAS POWERED COMPUTER, ISN'T IT? AND ALSO CAFFEINE.
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DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER I SIGNED IN THE OTHER MATTER? I HAVE AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THAT.OKAY. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE OTHER MATTER WAS? JUST A REMINDER. THE OTHER BURIAL SITE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
OH, I SEE. OKAY. IN THE LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LETTER THAT WE WERE GOING TO PROMULGATE, AND WE, WE DID GENERATE THAT RAN IT THROUGH COUNCIL SEND IT OFF. APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS AGO, AND THERE HAS BEEN NO RESPONSE.
OKAY, SO ONCE WE FINISH TALKING ABOUT THE CHERRY WOOD, I WILL GO TO THAT SUBJECT.
AND ONE HELPFUL THING FROM CHERRY WOOD SUBMISSION IS THAT IT DOES MAKE CLEAR THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE ONE WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO GET IN CONTACT WITH MARYLAND HISTORICAL TRUST AND FOLLOW THEIR RULES ABOUT GRAVES THAT ARE OLDER THAN 50 YEARS. CATHERINE. SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE.
YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT IN THIS REPORT WAS THAT THE PEOPLE AT CHERRY WOOD AND SOME OF THEM WERE ARCHEOLOGISTS AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE WELL AWARE OF WHAT MARYLAND HISTORICAL TRUST ADVISES FOR THESE OLDER GRAVESITES. AND SO THEY MADE IT CLEAR IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY.
THE OWNER WHERE THE GRAVES WERE FOUND IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO GO AS A WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN FILL OUT THE INFORMATION AS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S DISCOVERED A GRAVE THAT'S THAT'S OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
RIGHT. ALTHOUGH IN THEIR IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR PLAN, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD REACHED OUT TO MH AND DISCUSSED IT AND ARE FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY MADE. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY THEIR PLACE TO DO IT, THEY THEY DID IT ANYWAY.
TO BE CLEAR, STATE LAW, THE REAL PROPERTY ARTICLE MANDATES THAT A PROPERTY OWNER THAT THE SCULPTORS.
THE GRAVESITE FITS MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
MUST REPORT TO MH. MH THEN ISSUES RECOMMENDATIONS TO.
WHILE THE OBLIGATION TO DISCLOSE OR CONTACT MH SHALL IT'S MANDATORY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE GUIDANCE FROM MDE IS DISCRETIONARY.
THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW IT.
ALTHOUGH CHERRYWOOD HAS INDICATED IN ITS REPORT THAT AT LEAST WITH REGARD TO CERTAIN THINGS, THAT MDE HAS TOLD THEM THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING THESE GUIDELINES.
SO IT'S STATE LAW THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO COME FROM, NOT THIS BOARD OR THE COUNTY.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SINCE WE SEEM TO BE ON THIS OTHER SUBJECT.
WELL, WHICH OTHER SUBJECT? I THOUGHT WE WERE STILL ON CHERRYWOOD.
CHERRYWOOD IS WELL, WE'RE AGENDA.
CAN WE CAN WE STAY ON CHERRYWOOD AND THEN GO ON THE OTHER SUBJECT BECAUSE I READ THE REPORT THIS AFTERNOON.
I APPRECIATE THE COMPLETENESS.
WE GOT THE INFORMATION FROM THE CONSULTANT, THE SEARCH CONSULTANT THAT CHERRYWOOD CONTACTED WHEN THEY CRUNCHED SOME BONES AND THEY RECOGNIZED THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
AND THEN THE MAPPING AND THEN THE TAIL END OF THE REPORT INDICATES WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING TO RESTORE THE SITE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT A I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BOARD HAS EVER LOOKED AT SUCH A DETAILED OUTLINE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, BUT MY IMPRESSION WAS REALLY DETAILED PRECEDENT SETTING.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY ELSE IF WE HAVE OTHER SOLAR PROJECTS, I WOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS AS A BENCHMARK.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, A BENCHMARK IN TERMS OF HOW ARE THEY MOVING THE THE HOW ARE THEY GOING TO RESTORE THE DISTURBED AREA? WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES AND THE PROBLEMS WITH? IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT IN THEIR STOCKPILE AREA, THEY HAVE HUMAN REMAINS IN THAT THEY OUTLINED WHAT THEIR OPTIONS WERE TO YOU KNOW,
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FILTERING THAT. THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME LOSS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. BUT THAT WAS MY GENERAL IMPRESSION HOW THEY ARE GOING TO CORRECT THEIR MISTAKES.I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I, I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE DETAIL ONE OF MY NOTES WAS, SO WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO TRUST BUT VERIFY.
I TRUST THAT GIVEN THE DEPTH OF THE PLAN, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THAT.
BUT WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE? THEY INDICATE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING REPORTS AND PICTORIAL DOCUMENTATION AND DESCRIPTION. I MEAN, HONESTLY, I'M NEW TO THIS JOURNEY, BUT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE OUT A GRADE, BUT I REALLY THOUGHT THEY DID A REASONABLE A ABOVE MY EXPECTATION.
AND IN TERMS OF OUTLINING NOT JUST WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO AND BUT HOW THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT AND HOW THEY WERE GOING TO REPORT BACK ON THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY COLLEAGUE'S IMPRESSION WAS.
YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU'RE SPEED READING IT RIGHT NOW, GO FOR IT. WELL, BUT I THOUGHT THEY REALLY DID A GOOD JOB, YOU KNOW, AND IN THE JUNE 6TH MEETING.
IF THAT WAS THE DATE I TOLD RYAN SHOWALTER THAT I WAS HIGHLY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THEY HAD DONE SO FAR. SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT THEY FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THAT SAME HIGH LEVEL. I WOULD SAY THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH EVERYTHING.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DID COMMEND THEM FOR THEIR WORK.
YEAH. I THINK IT'S, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR US AS A BOARD. I THINK IT SETS A PRECEDENT.
I WOULD SAY IT'S A GOAL TO SHOOT FOR YOU.
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AS REMEDIATION GOES, IT'S OKAY.
I'VE BEEN A LITTLE INTERMITTENT BECAUSE OF MY SCHEDULE, BUT AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THAT? DAVID, DIDN'T YOU DO THE PROPERTY SEARCH DEED SEARCH ON? YEAH, THAT WAS ME, WHICH IS MARYLAND LAND NET.
YEP. WHICH TOOK YOU A WHILE, A WHILE.
PROBABLY. I MEAN, I'VE USED 8 TO 12 HOURS.
SO. AND ADDITIONALLY, I DID THE.
I WAS EXPLAINING BEFORE EVERYBODY SHOWED UP. I ACTUALLY TRIED TO DO SOME SEARCHES OF DENTON JOURNAL CENSUS RECORDS TRYING TO IDENTIFY IF I COULD FIGURE OUT ANY DEATHS IN THE FAMILY SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY SAY FOR SURE THAT IT'S JARMAN FAMILY OR WHATEVER.
I COULD NOT FIND ANY RECORD OF DEATH IN DENTON JOURNAL OR ANY OTHER PUBLICATION.
DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T SOMETHING SOMEWHERE. I JUST AND I JUST WAS CURIOUS AS TO HOW MUCH MORE TIME I SHOULD SPEND DOING THAT.
I, I DIDN'T GO BACK FARTHER THAN 1774 IN AND THE PROPERTY RECORDS TO SEE IF IT WAS MENTIONED WHEN IT WAS PART OF QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY, WHICH I COULD HAVE GONE BACK FARTHER. BUT I SAID IF IT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS DEED.
SO I JUST SORT OF QUIT WHEN IT WAS NO LONGER CAROLINE COUNTY.
SO THAT'S WASN'T QUITE WHERE I WAS DRIVING AT WITH THAT, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE THAT GUY FOR A MINUTE, BECAUSE THESE SOLAR COMPANIES HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AT THEIR DISPOSAL AND AN AWFUL LOT OF LEGAL PEOPLE AND ARCHEOLOGICAL PEOPLE, ALLEGEDLY, AND WHATEVER ELSE.
AND YET DAVID BAKER HAD TO GO LOOK AT MARILYN NET TO DETERMINE THERE WAS A CEMETERY.
I MEAN, I COULD HAVE DONE THAT TOO.
AND I THINK. WITH ANY ORGANIZATION THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPING LAND, AND I THINK THE SOLAR COMPANIES ARE GOING TO BE HIGH ON THAT LIST THESE DAYS, GIVEN DEVELOPMENTS IN ANNAPOLIS, THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME EXPECTATION THAT THEY SHOULD DO A LITTLE RESEARCH. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SORT OF EMBARRASSING THAT THE FIRST TIME THEY DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S A CEMETERY IS BY RUNNING A PAN ACROSS IT AND CUTTING THE TOP OFF IT OFF.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY CAROLINE COUNTY IS LITTERED WITH DERELICT CEMETERIES, BUT I MEAN, 12 HOURS IS NOTHING.
I DON'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT. I JUST MEAN. NO, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. WELL, ERIC, I WILL SAY THAT AFTER THIS ONE WAS DISCOVERED, CRYSTAL AND I TALKED BECAUSE WE KNEW OF ONE OTHER CEMETERY.
OUR GIS MAP INCLUDES THE CEMETERIES THAT WERE AWARE OF.
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SO THAT I EMAILED RYAN AND TOLD HIM ON THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY.WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I ADVISED HIM THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER UNANTICIPATED DISCOVERY, AS THEY CALL IT. YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S UNAVOIDABLE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HACKING THE TOPSOIL OFF OF FARMS AROUND HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HACKING THE CEMETERIES OUT OF THEM, TOO. THAT'S PROGRESS. I GUESS I JUST, I IF I WERE CHERRY WOOD, I'D BE EMBARRASSED THAT A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD HAD TO DISCOVER THIS.
I MEAN, HEY, WE CAN'T SANCTION THEM FOR IT, CAN WE? BUT BUT I JUST HOW DOES THE POLICY SHIFT, THEN, TO REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING? UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE LOCAL LAND USE PERMITTING CONTROL OVER THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE DID, THEORETICALLY, IF THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH CAROLINE COUNTY PLANNING AND CODES TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IN A SOLAR FIELD.
THEN, THEN THEORETICALLY OUR LOCAL PLANNING OFFICE COULD SAY.
BY THE WAY, HERE ON YOU NEED TO VERIFY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN YOU COULD ESTABLISH SOME REGULATORY ACCOUNTABILITY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, WE WE CAN'T DO THAT.
CORRECT. SO CHERRYWOOD, AS A DEVELOPER MAY, YOU KNOW, BE EMBARRASSED AND WANT TO IMPROVE.
BUT THAT'S ONE OF MANY SOLAR DEVELOPERS, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S LIKE A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
IS THERE I MEAN. DO WE IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO UP A CHAIN OF COMMAND OF, YOU KNOW, AND THE STATE LEVEL IN TERMS OF THAT OR THE QUESTION I WAS ASKED? SO WE'RE SITTING ON THE COUNTY BORDER GOVERNING A STATE LAW.
THE COUNTY HAS NO LAW ON BURIAL SITES, RIGHT? YES WE DO. YEAH WE DO.
AND THERE'S A STATE LAW ON BURIED.
WELL, YOU CAN CHOOSE WHICH ONE YOU WANT TO FOLLOW.
BUT WE PROMULGATED ONE YEARS AGO, DIDN'T WE? THAT SAYS THE SAME AS THE STATE LAW.
RIGHT. MORE OR LESS. SO? SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT BUT COMPLEMENTARY TO YOUR POINT, THE STATE LAW WITH REGARD TO BURIAL SITES IS IF YOU FIND ONE, YOU MUST CONSULT. IT'S MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
YOU MUST CONSULT WITH MARYLAND HISTORICAL TRUST.
THE HISTORICAL TRUST THEN HAS AN ADVISORY ROLE TO TELL THE LANDOWNER WHAT THE WHAT MHC THINKS THE LANDOWNER SHOULD DO TO FIX OR MAKE SURE THAT THE BURIAL SITE IS APPROPRIATE.
THE COUNTY HAS ITS OWN REGULATIONS THAT ALLOWS THIS BOARD AND THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IS TO RECOMMEND GUIDELINES FOR AND TO YOUR QUESTION EARLIER TO SUPERVISE THE REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION OF VARIOUS SITES.
SO YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND, AS DOES.
THE SOLAR COMPANIES OF THE STATE PERMITS.
WE SHOULD RECOMMEND TO THAT PERMITTING AGENCY THAT THEY DO A SEARCH, DO THE LEGAL SEARCH TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THERE.
THEY'RE STILL SO. SO, DAVID, I DIDN'T FOLLOW YOUR EMAILS ENOUGH.
DID YOU FIND OUT EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT? SO HAD THEY DONE WHAT YOU DID, WHAT YOU DID RIGHT? COULD YOU HAVE WALKED OUT IN THE FIELD AND FOUND WHERE IT WAS? OH, NO.
NO, IT WAS, IT WAS IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE APPROXIMATE SIZE.
AND AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE, THERE WAS A FENCE SUPPOSEDLY AROUND IT ALL OF WHICH WAS LONG GONE. ALTHOUGH THEIR INITIAL REPORT THEY DID THEY ACTUALLY SHOWED SAID THERE WERE LINEAR FEATURES CONSISTENT WITH WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT WAS THE RESULT OF THE THE ARCHEOLOGICAL. THAT WAS THE ARCHEOLOGICAL. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE SMART WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WALK OUT ON THAT PROPERTY AND TELL YOU WHERE THAT CEMETERY WAS. THERE'S NO THERE'S NOT CLEARANCE TERMS, JIM.
YEAH. I MEAN, RIGHT, SO IF THEY HAD DONE THE RESEARCH AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS ONE THERE, THEN WHAT DID THEY DO? THEY JUST DON'T PAN.
THEY JUST DROP A POST IN THE GROUND. DON'T PAN. THEN THEY DON'T KNOW. YEAH, RIGHT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT CHIDING THEM FOR THEIR LACK OF RESEARCH DOES MUCH EXCEPT MAKES US FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT OURSELVES.
BUT AND THE OTHER POINT I WOULD RAISE IS THAT EVERY DEED IS NOT GOING TO HAVE MOST OF THEM.
MOST OF THEM WILL NOT BE MENTIONED IN A DEED.
SO EVEN IF THEY DID A SEARCH OF THE DEEDS, THE CHANCE THAT THE CEMETERY, BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY MENTIONED IN ONE DEED IN THE ENTIRE CHAIN.
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BUT THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO, I THINK EMBARRASSING, BECAUSE IT'S SO RARE TO FIND THESE THINGS IN THE DEEDS THAT.RIGHT, YOU KNOW. BUT THERE'S NO CALL TO TO COERCE, FORCE, WHATEVER THESE COMPANIES TO DO ANY OF THAT STUFF BEYOND US WRITING THE LETTER THAT WHATEVER THE PERMITTING AGENCY IS, TO SUGGEST THEM DO WHAT MR. BAKER DID. INDEED. BUT THEN WHAT'S THAT GOING TO SOLVE? THEY'RE STILL GOING TO THEY'RE STILL GOING TO FIND THEM VIA PANNING, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE STATE GUIDELINES AND RECTIFY THE SITUATION AFTER THEY FIND IT. YEAH, IT BECOMES A COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN THE PROCESS.
RIGHT? WELL, I GUESS. MY WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS IS IF NOBODY'S CARED ABOUT THAT THING FOR 50 YEARS, WHERE'S THE FAMILY THEN? MAINTAINING THE FENCE, MAINTAINING THE SITE, MAINTAINING THE STONES.
AND COMPARED TO THE SAME FAMILY THAT SPREAD ASHES OUT THERE AND NOBODY WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, JUST TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.
WELL, BUT BUT CHIP, DIDN'T YOU IN JUNE 6TH, YOU DIDN'T YOU MENTION I MEAN THERE IS WHAT IS THE MARYLAND STATE LAW THAT PROTECTS BURIAL SITES IN TERMS OF.
YOU CAN'T JUST. OH, I DON'T WANT THIS BODY HERE.
I'M JUST GOING TO EXHUME IT AND PUT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
THERE IS A IS A PATHWAY TO WHEN.
RANDY PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE IS A PATHWAY TO MOVE A LEGAL PATHWAY TO TO MOVE A BURIAL OR A GRAVE.
SURE. I MEAN, THEY MOVE TO CEMETERIES USING THAT LEGISLATION WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
I THINK IT WAS WHEN JEFF, WHEN WE FIRST, LIKE, REINSTITUTED THE BOARD THAT HAD BEEN ENACTED FOR A WHILE. I THINK YOU WERE THERE. THEY DID THAT OUTSIDE OF DENTON ON THE THE THE GRAVEL PIT PROPERTY, THE GUY IN BERKELEY, WHEREVER HE WAS, HE DID A CADILLAC JOB ON MOVING THAT WHOLE ENTIRE CEMETERY FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD AFTER THE GUY YOU HIRED OUT TO THE EDGE OF THE ROOM? DID YOU HAVE ANY? I DON'T KNOW. DID HE COME IN? HE COME IN AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION. YOU TALK ABOUT A CADILLAC WAY. I MEAN, HE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB. ALSO WITH THE PICTURES HE SHOWED ABOUT WHAT HE DID THAT WAS OUT ON FLEMING OR LOG CABIN OR WHATEVER.
WHEREVER THE GRAVEL PIT IS OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
THEY THEY THAT GUY MOVED THAT WHOLE, WHOLE CEMETERY.
AND HE ADVERTISED IT IN THE PAPER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. THE STATE DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO COURT.
SO WHAT THEY ASK YOU TO DO IS ADVERTISE IT, SEND TO THE STATE'S ATTORNEY.
EVERYBODY THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
AND THEN THEY WOULD INVESTIGATE IT.
AND IF THEY SAY IT'S OKAY, THEY'LL SIGN OFF ON IT.
YOU CAN GET SUED FOR MOVING A BODY IN ONE PART OF A CEMETERY, AND YOU'RE YOU'RE PISSED OFF AT SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR AND.
SO YOU'RE MOVING TO THE BACK PART OF THE CEMETERY WHERE THEY'RE INACCESSIBLE.
YOU CAN SIT AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO DO THAT.
THEN YOU GO TO THE STATE STREET, GO THROUGH THE HOOPS, JUMP THROUGH IT, AND THEY'LL DETERMINE WHETHER YAY OR NAY THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN SUED ON THIS YEARS AGO.
I'M ON THIS CASE. LOAD THAT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INVOLVED WE HAD. LIKE I WASN'T DOING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEBODY FROM BERKELEY.
THE REASON WE WERE EVEN. OH, OH, OH, YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRIAN.
CHESAPEAKE. YES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND THE REASON WE HAD TO HAVE THE MEETING WAS BECAUSE HE ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER ONCE, AND AT THE TIME, HE HAD TO GET A COUNTY PERMIT AND A STATE PERMIT, AND I THINK THEY CHANGED THE RULES TO MAKE IT A LINE.
SO HIS, HIS LEGAL TEAM CAME IN AND SAID WE ADVERTISE IT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD TO DO IT TWICE. WE THOUGHT WE ONLY HAD TO DO IT ONCE. THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY HAD TO DO IT ONCE FOR THE COUNTY, ONCE FOR THE STATE. AND AS IT TURNED OUT, THE COMMISSIONERS OR WHOEVER ABOUT TO MAKE THE DECISION LET THEM GO, BECAUSE THEY DID. AND THE GUY DID A GREAT JOB OF MOVING.
BRIAN DEMOSS, WHO DID THAT? WHOEVER MADE BALSAM. YEAH, YEAH.
BERKELEY. YEAH. SO NOW I THINK THE LAW IS YOU ONLY HAVE TO ADVERTISE.
ONE TIME. I THINK IT GOT CHANGED. YOU ONLY HAVE TO ADVERTISE. SOMEBODY SHOULD MOVE. YOU ONLY HAVE TO ADVERTISE ONE TIME.
THAT'S THE WAY. IT'S THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT WE WERE TOLD, YOU ONLY HAVE TO, FOR SOME REASON THAT WE WE HAD TO HEAR IT BECAUSE HE ADVERTISED ONCE AND THE LAW WASN'T. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO IT ONCE FOR THE STATE FOR TWO WEEKS OR SOMETHING IN THE PAPER AND ONCE FOR THE COUNTY.
AND EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEEN IT.
THEY ALL KNEW HE WAS DOING IT.
THE COUPLE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO, THEY WERE SHOCKED THAT WE EVEN HAD TO HEAR IT BECAUSE THEY SAID, WELL, IT WAS ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER, AND THAT'S WHEN I EXPLAINED WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED TO US, WHICH EVERYBODY
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THOUGHT WAS RIDICULOUS, INCLUDING WE HAVE NO COUNTY PAPER ANYWAY, SO. RIGHT. THIS WAS, LIKE I SAID, 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO.INTERESTING. I THINK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT GRAVES AND CEMETERIES.
FARM CEMETERIES NOT BEING MAINTAINED.
I DON'T THIS IS AN ABSURD THING I'M GETTING READY TO SAY, BUT I TRADE IN ABSURDITIES, I GUESS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS WHETHER THE BODIES ARE STILL THERE.
WHAT MATTERS ABOUT THESE CEMETERIES IS THE THE SITE THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM A RESEARCH AND A HISTORICAL AND AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STANDPOINT.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO OPEN UP THE DOOR. NOT THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, EVEN UP TO ALLOWING PEOPLE MORE EASILY TO MOVE OLD DISUSED CEMETERIES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE THE LANDSCAPE AS IT WAS INTENDED BY THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THEM THERE. ARE THERE EXTENUATING REASONS TO MOVE THOSE? MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO PUT AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN AND THE PIVOT WOULD IDEALLY GO WHERE THAT CEMETERY IS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO MOVE A CEMETERY. I, I MEAN, BUT FROM A, FROM A KIND OF HISTORICAL ANGLE, I THINK IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE HISTORY OF THINGS.
THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING RESEARCH AND THINGS LIKE THIS, WE RELY ON THESE SITES WHEN THEY EXIST, TO BE ABLE TO DO RESEARCH AND WORK OUTWARDS FROM THEM. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CEMETERY IS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER. BUT BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS WHETHER THE SITE IS DISUSED OR LET GO OR GROWN UP IN TREES OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S MATERIAL TO THIS.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. HOW MANY ACRES, KATHLEEN, DO YOU REMEMBER? HOW MANY ACRES IS THE CHERRYWOOD PROJECT IS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY.
THEY HAVE A SKETCH. NO, NO, NO, THE TOTAL ACREAGE OH 731 OR 7, 38 OR 7. YEAH. IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S PRETTY GOOD SIZE.
YOU KNOW, MY TAKE WOULD BE MORE OR LESS AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS A SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE
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OF 738 ACRES AND AT MOST, A MINOR INCONVENIENCE TO THE DISEASE.I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE DISEASE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK.
NO. AND THE LAW DOESN'T EITHER.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING A LITTLE BIT OVERBOARD, ACTUALLY ALLOCATING WAY MORE, I THINK TO PROTECT THAN THE WHOLE THING SHOULD HAVE TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS FOR SURE.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF CONFUSING THE ABSTRACT QUESTION VERSUS THE SPECIFIC THING.
I MEAN, IN TERMS OF REMEDIATION, I THINK IT'S A DECENT PLAN.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE FACT THAT THEY UNCOVERED THESE GRAVES THE WAY THEY DID.
I MEAN, ANY ONE OF US COULD DO THIS, I SUPPOSE.
WELL, AND ACTUALLY, IT'S LUCKY THAT SOMEBODY WAS OBSERVING ENOUGH TO NOTICE WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY DID. I JUST IF I HAD A STUDENT THAT DID SUCH POOR RESEARCH THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A CEMETERY AND THE DEED AND THE DEEDS, I MEAN, THAT DEED IS ONLY 150 YEARS DEEP.
HAD THEY STOPPED SIX INCHES SHALLOWER AND JUST DROVE STAKES IN THE GROUND, NOBODY WOULD HAVE EVER KNOWN RIGHT THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LESS.
LESS DEEP. SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? THANK YOU. SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE IN REGARDS TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? WELL, LET'S LET'S LET'S DO THIS.
I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND WORK ON AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET THIS DONE FOR OTHER AND FUTURE STUFF, BUT LET'S NOT GO THERE TONIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NOW THE QUESTION, JEFFREY, AS AS I SEE IT BEFORE US RIGHT NOW, IS ARE WE ACCEPTING THEIR PLAN? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR? I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.
DETERMINATION HAS TO BE WHETHER THEIR PLAN IS SUFFICIENT.
YEAH, WELL, IT'S MY TAKE THAT IT'S DEFINITELY SUFFICIENT.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT, JEFF? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE PLAN I SECOND.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THE OTHER BEFORE YOU TAKE A VOTE, JEFF. MAYBE THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO THE EARLIER POINT.
WHO YOU KNOW, SOMEONE SAID WE SUPERVISE AND WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
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IS IT OUR BOTTOMS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE FIELD LOOKING AT AND DOING THE TRUST BUT VERIFY, OR ARE THERE INSPECTORS THROUGH THE COUNTY THAT PERIODICALLY DROP IN ON THIS TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING? HOW DOES THAT WORK? I DON'T THINK THAT'S AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE AFOREMENTIONED I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS, BUT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE CHERRY WOOD PROPOSAL.NO. SO, SURE. SO LET'S CALL THE QUESTION.
OR IF THERE'S. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THE ONE THING IN THEIR PLAN WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR PUTTING UP A SIGN WITH REGARD TO THE CEMETERY.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO CONTINUE TRYING TO DO RESEARCH TO TRY TO SEE IF I CAN IDENTIFY THE FAMILY OF THAT CEMETERY? BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S POSSIBLE.
IT JUST TAKES I READ A WHOLE LOT OF JOURNAL ARTICLES ABOUT THIS FAMILY.
BUT WHY IS IT THE WHY? I MEAN, WHY IS THE BURDEN ON YOU TO DO THAT? WELL, I JUST THINK, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY IS, BUT SO MY POINT MY POINT IS, MY POINT IS AS A MEMBER IN A GENEALOGY SOCIETY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY WHERE YOUR ANCESTORS ARE.
AND SOME OTHER DESCENDANT FROM THIS FAMILY MIGHT COME HERE AND SAY, HEY, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THIS FAMILY CEMETERY THAT MIGHT BE MY FAMILY'S.
IF WE CAN DETERMINE THAT, THAT'S MOST I WOULD SAY IT'S MOST LIKELY JUST BASED ON THE FACT IT'S ONLY MENTIONED IN ONE DEED.
AND THAT'S A GERMAN DEED PASSING FROM A GERMAN TO A GERMAN.
SO IT'S MOST LIKELY A GERMAN CEMETERY BECAUSE IT'S NEVER MENTIONED BEFORE.
BUT THAT'S NOT PROOF. AND THE ONLY WAY I COULD FIND IT IS IF I COULD FIND SOME EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THAT SAYS THE SUDDEN DEATH OF SO AND SO WAS BURIED AT THE GERMAN FARM NEAR GOLDSBOROUGH.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I HAVE NOT FOUND THAT YET, BUT I'VE SPENT MORE TIME READING DENTON JOURNAL ARTICLES THAN I DO DOING THE LAND SEARCH. WELL, WE'LL KNOW WHEN THE BOOK COMES OUT. NO, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP DOING THAT. AND, JIMMY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AT THE LAST MEETING, I REQUESTED OF RYAN SHOWALTER THAT JERRY WOULD PUT UP A SIGN.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE FOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET TO READING ALL THIS. AND I THINK SUE STEWART HAS.
HOW MUCH AREA ARE THEY? SO THEY'RE IN THEIR PLAN. THEY'RE GOING TO FENCE AROUND THE SITE.
HOW MUCH AREA ARE THEY FENCING AROUND.
AND BY LOOKING AT THIS THE THE AND WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIZE I'M TRYING TO BY THE PICTURE THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE.
THEY HAVE FOUR STARS ON THIS ONE.
I'M ASSUMING EACH STAR IS IS A SAFE THAT THEY FOUND.
THIS IS THE. THESE ARE THE THEY'RE THIS IMAGE.
THIS IS THE AREA THAT THEY WOULD BE DELINEATING THE PROPOSED AVOIDANCE BUFFER POTENTIAL BURIAL FEATURE.
SO THE PROPOSED AVOIDANCE BUFFER IS RIGHT HERE.
I THINK THEY'RE SETTING ASIDE ALMOST A FULL ACRE FOR THE ACTUAL CEMETERY.
AND THEN THEY'RE PUTTING THE FENCE AROUND THAT AND THEN A BUFFER AREA.
I WAS GUESSING IT WAS MORE THAN AN ACRE. SO IT IS MORE THAN AN ACRE ONCE YOU COUNT THE BUFFER AREA. YEAH. SO THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP.
I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY THAT SYMPATHETIC. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF LAND. DON'T REALLY CARE AS MUCH ABOUT THE SOLAR COMPANY. BUT IN 14 YEARS. WHEN THE SOLAR COMPANY.
WHEN SOLAR IS NOT THE THING ANYMORE. AND WE'RE USING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS THE SIZE OF THIS TABLE. AND IT GOES BACK TO FARMLAND.
NOW THE FARMER IS GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE THAT FENCE, THAT BUFFER THE FARMLAND, THAT WE AREN'T MAKING ANY OTHER CEMETERY BUFFER THAT MUCH. WELL, DIDN'T DIDN'T CHERRYWOOD BUY THAT LAND? NO. IT'S LEASED. IT'S A LEASE.
YEAH, YEAH. IN DOING THE WORK FOR THE OWNER.
BUT THE OWNER IS GOING TO HAVE THIS BACK AT SOME POINT WHERE THE OWNERS, THE OWNER'S FAMILY, IS GOING TO HAVE IT BACK IN 30 OR 40 YEARS IF IT LAST THAT LONG.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING THEY THEY USE THEY RESERVE LESS LAND? I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF LAND.
I DISAGREE. I THINK IT'S OKAY.
YEAH. ARE THEY GOING TO PLACE THIS INTO THE DEED? THE CEMETERY? INTO THE DEED. BECAUSE NOW, IF YOU WANT TO BURY SOMEBODY ONTO YOUR OWN PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SURVEY.
IT HAS TO BE PLACED INTO THE DEED.
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AND YOU HAVE TO PUT UP A TRUST FUND TO TAKE CARE OF IT IN PERPETUITY.OF COURSE, TRUST FUNDS TEND TO DISAPPEAR OVER, OVER TIME, BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PLACED INTO THE DEED.
BUT SINCE THIS IS A HISTORIC CEMETERY, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLACE THE ONUS ON SOMEBODY FOR PERPETUAL CARE FOR SOMETHING THAT EXISTED BEFORE.
I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT BUT HE BUT IT SHOULD BE AN INTERESTING THING IN TERMS OF IF YOU WERE TO ATTACH IT TO THE LAND RECORD, THEN YOU MAYBE MAYBE NOT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, JESS? IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN AN AMENDED SITE PLAN THAT THEY WILL SUBMIT TO PLANNING AND CODES. SO IF THE CONCERN IS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND THE FACT THAT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF, I BELIEVE IT'S 914 TOTAL POTENTIAL BURIAL SITES, THE FIVE THAT WERE DISTURBED AND NINE OTHERS, YOU CAN AGAIN, YOUR AUTHORITY IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN TO SUPERVISE.
AND WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT SUPERVISOR MEANS.
THEY CAN COME BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO, AND I THINK THAT WOULD FIT YOUR SUPERVISORY OBLIGATION.
BUT AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION, ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU COULD MAKE, IN ADDITION TO RECOMMENDING THAT CHERRY WOULD ATTEMPT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THESE GRAVE SITES AND MAKE SOME ACTUAL EFFORT TO DO THAT. YOU CAN ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THEY SUBMIT.
I THINK PLANNING IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THEY SUBMIT A REVISED SITE PLAN SETS FORTH SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE BURIAL SITE IS.
YOU CAN ALSO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS CONSISTENT WITH OR BEYOND WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO YOU REGARDING FENCING, WHICH THEY HAVE PROPOSED SIGNAGE WHICH I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE PROPOSED. AND I GUESS BACK TO MY CONCERN REALLY, THEY TAKE THE SOLAR PANELS DOWN AND GOES BACK TO FARMLAND.
AS LONG AS THE FARMER DOESN'T DISTURB THE BURIAL SITES, THE FARMER CAN YANK THE FENCE OUT AND PLANT CORN UP TO THE EDGE OF THE VERTICES.
RIGHT. ACTUALLY NO ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T TAKE THE FENCE OUT. ONCE THE FENCE IS PUT AROUND A BURIAL GROUND, YOU CANNOT DISRUPT THE FENCES OR ANY OTHER KIND OF STRUCTURES ON THE BURIAL SITE THAT'S DELINEATED IN KIMLEY-HORN.
OKAY. OKAY. SO BUT IT'S SO MY QUESTION IS IT'S NOT ONLY BURIAL SITES OUTSIDE THE SITE, BUT IT BECOMES PART OF THAT BURIAL SITE, I'M PRETTY SURE.
YEAH. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS AFTER THE FACT.
YEAH. THE SITE WAS DONE YEARS AGO.
SO THE GUY'S HOUSE SITS 200FT AWAY.
ISN'T PART OF THE IMPORTANT, BERNARD SAID. NO.
WELL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S THE FENCE THERE TO DELINEATE THE.
YES, THERE TO DELINEATE THE OUTSIDE OF THE YARD.
WELL, THE FENCE IS AROUND THE BURIAL SITE.
THIS FENCE IS BEING SPECIFICALLY PLACED AROUND A KNOWN BURIAL SITE.
IT WAS NOT A BURIAL SITE. IT WAS NOT A KNOWN AT THE TIME.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN, BUT NOW IT'S KNOWN AGAIN.
AND SO I THINK ONCE I THINK ONCE YOU PUT THE FENCE AROUND IT, IT NOW IT BECOMES PART OF THAT BURIAL SITE.
IT'S TO PROTECT THE BURIAL SITE FROM INCURSION IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY INTERPRETATION. I'M NOT A LAWYER, ALTHOUGH I PLAY ONE ON TV.
WELL, I MEAN, IF WE IF WE PULL BACK FROM THIS A LITTLE BIT AND GET INTO THE ABSTRACT STUFF AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROTECT BURIAL SITES IN SOME VAGUELY PERMANENT WAY, THEN WE MAY AS WELL JUST DISBAND THIS BOARD.
RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO PROTECT AT THAT POINT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE OUGHT TO PUT A FENCE AROUND THE THING AND WE REALIZE THAT THE EXTENT OF THE FENCING IS, IS MORE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.
BUT BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SUCH A THE PATTERN OF THE BURIALS IS SO IRREGULAR ON THESE MAPS THAT YOU ALMOST WONDER IF THEY COULD GO SMALLER.
YEAH, BUT BUT THAT'S THEIR PROPOSAL.
BUT IT IS SORT OF AN EXISTENTIAL QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE POINT OF REGULATING BURIALS IS IF WE CAN'T. SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SITTING HERE 100 YEARS FROM NOW, PROBABLY NOT THAT LONG, BECAUSE NOW WE MAKE STEEL BIGGER THAN WE MADE STEEL YEARS AGO. BUT UNLESS THERE'S BOND MONEY PUT UP OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AT SOME TIME, 40, 50, 60 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS FENCE IS GOING TO DETERIORATE BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A FENCE, RIGHT? ANYWAY. RIGHT.
WHEN THE SOLAR PANELS COME OUT AND THERE'S NO FENCE BECAUSE IT'S RUSTED AWAY.
AND THEN THE NEXT FARMER THAT IS THE HEIR TO THAT, THE FARM FAMILY, THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND FARM AROUND IT AGAIN UNLESS UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF GROUP THAT INSPECTS FENCES, WHICH HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING AT ALL BECAUSE WE'RE ALL THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP AT SOME POINT THAT THE, THE ISSUE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TO A LOT OF CEMETERIES THAT WERE NOT THAT WE'RE SEEING VERY WELL.
YEAH, THAT WAS A QUESTION I ASKED MY FIRST MEETING, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT DETERIORATING CEMETERIES? APPARENTLY NOT MUCH. WELL, NO, I MEAN, YOU YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS,
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UNFORTUNATELY. BUT THERE'S A LIMIT OF YOUR AUTHORITY.AND THERE'S IN ADDITION TO MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARD TO SPECIFIC BURIAL SITES, THERE ARE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE THAT ALLOW YOU TO CREATE GUIDELINES, IF YOU WILL, FOR OTHER CEMETERIES TO HAVE TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO PROPERLY MAINTAIN.
TO YOUR POINT, WITH REGARD TO THE FENCING, YOU CAN ALSO RECOMMEND, AS THEY DO WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CEMETERY.
OTHERWISE THAT WITH REGARD TO THE FENCING IT MUST BE REPAIRED AND RECONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MOST SUITABLE RESTORATION TECHNIQUES.
SO YOU CAN RECOMMEND TO THE DEVELOPER TO CHERRYWOOD THAT THEY ENSURE THAT GRAVE SITE IS MAINTAINED, INCLUDING THE FENCING.
AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE LEASE ON THE SOLAR THE LAND GOES AWAY FOR THE SOLAR? DO THEY STILL DO THAT? WELL, HOW DOES THAT EVOLVE? I DON'T HAVE, NOR DO I KNOW THE TERMS OF THE LEASE BETWEEN CHERRYWOOD AND THE PROPERTY OWNER. THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE. SO REALLY IN THIS CASE, THE CHERRYWOOD IS GOING TO BE NICE.
I'M GOING TO DO IT FOR THE LANDOWNER.
BUT LEGALLY THIS IS THE LANDOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT.
NOT NOT NOW. UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE END OF THE LEASE.
THE CHERRYWOOD SAYS WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE.
RIGHT. BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE NICE TO DO THAT.
IF THEY WEREN'T NICE AND DID THAT THEY WOULD BE BACK TO THE LANDOWNER, RIGHT? POTENTIALLY. BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE FOR US.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE COURTS. WELL, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS NEITHER. IT IS HERE AND THERE FOR US.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSISTENT ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO IF THIS IS A TEST CASE, LIKE SUE SAID, IF THIS IS A YES, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ENTITY THAT'S WILLING TO GO OVERBOARD TO DO MORE THAN YOU'RE REQUIRING, THEN YOU CAN'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE AFTERWARDS TO FOLLOW THAT.
WHY NOT? WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS WE COULD ALWAYS RECOMMEND THAT.
WE CAN RECOMMEND WE COULD ALWAYS USE THIS AS A RECOMMENDATION.
WE COULD ALWAYS USE THE STANDARDS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THIS REPORT AS A BASIS FOR PROJECTS PERHAPS LIKE THIS MOVING FORWARD, THAT THAT DOESN'T DIRECT.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT THIS, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE.
COULD I ASK JEFF, COULD WE COULD I AMEND THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO ADD ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION? LIKE WE COULD DO IT IN TWO MOTIONS.
ONE, WE ACCEPT THIS REPORT WITH SOME RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS.
AND IN CONSIDERING THOSE RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS, IT MAY BE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT JESSIE SHARED IN TERMS OF THAT.
THIS ALSO BE ACCOMPANIED BY A SITE SURVEY, A REVISED SITE PLAN.
AND CAN THAT ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THE MECHANICS OF THIS, BUT COULD THAT ALSO BE ATTACHED AND REFERENCED IN A DEED? COULD THERE BE A DEED AMENDMENT, SOMETHING THAT CODIFIES THIS AREA THAT'S REFLECTED INTO THE LAND RECORD SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME CONSISTENCY MOVING FORWARD IN 100 YEARS WHEN SOMEBODY GOES BACK AND DOES THAT. YEAH, BUT PLANNING AND ZONING ALREADY, WHEN THEY FIND OUT ABOUT A CEMETERY, INCLUDES IT ON THEIR MAPS AND THE PLAT RECORDS, THE PLAT PART OF LAND RECORDS IS WHERE YOU MOST OFTEN FIND THE CEMETERIES NOTED.
I BELIEVE THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE REQUIRE.
OKAY. IF THAT'S REDUNDANT, IF THAT'S REDUNDANT, AND THAT IS INDEED ALREADY HAPPENING, THEN I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WE AND THAT THAT CHIP SECONDED AND SUGGEST MAYBE WE CALL THE QUESTION.
ABOUT WHAT'S CALL FOR A VOTE THEN.
YEAH. ALL IN FAVOR? GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.
ALL IN FAVOR OF SUE'S ORIGINAL.
MOTION. WRITE DOWN WHAT? THAT WE KIND OF LOST TRACK THAT WE ACCEPT THE FINAL REPORT ACCEPTABLE.
OH, WELL, THAT'S GOOD. UNLESS IT GETS CORRUPTED.
THE THE THE RESTORATION OF THE CHERRYWOOD CEMETERY.
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THE PLAN PRESENTED BY CHERRYWOOD TO RESTORE THE DISTURBED, TO RESTORE AND PROTECT THE GRAVES LOCATED AT THE LEASED PROPERTY AT 25802 BRIDGEWOOD ROAD, BRIDGETOWN, THAT WE ACCEPT THIS PLAN AS SUBMITTED.AND WOULD IT AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING, WOULD THEY REQUIRE THAT THIS BE PLACED INTO THE DEED? THEY WOULD REQUIRE IT TO BE NOTED ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
THEY HAVE IS IT? THEY HAVE MR..
ISN'T THAT A DIFFERENT THING, THOUGH, THAN PLACING INTO THE DEED? CORRECT. YEAH. THERE'S NO.
NO. GO AHEAD. THERE'S NO OBLIGATION THAT ANYBODY, ANYBODY RECORD ANOTHER DEED.
THE DEED IS NOT THERE'S ALREADY IT'S NOW PUBLIC RECORD.
THERE'S ALREADY A DEED IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE THAT SAYS THERE IS A CEMETERY ON THIS PROPERTY. SO ANY TITLE ABSTRACTOR THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE WORK THAT YOU DID IS GOING TO DETERMINE THAT THERE'S A CEMETERY THERE SOMEWHERE.
THE COUNTY HAS A REGISTRY OF CEMETERIES.
SO THIS SPECIFIC CEMETERY SHOULD BE LISTED IN THE COUNTY'S REGISTRY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT YOU CAN RECOMMEND AND PLANNING AND CODES CAN REQUIRE IT ANY WAY.
BUT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND, IN ADDITION TO ACCEPTING THE PROPOSAL FOR FIXING REPAIRING THIS BURIAL SITE, THAT THE DEVELOPER ALSO SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY EXACTLY WHERE THE CEMETERY IS LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT WE ARE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLAN THAT CHERRYWOOD HAS SUBMITTED TO US, EVEN IF IT'S REDUNDANT.
WHO GIVES A CRAP? BECAUSE HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, UNLESS SOMEBODY AND I SEE THEIR HYDROSEEDING AND ALL THAT FOR A WHILE, THAT'S GOING TO BE FINE.
BUT 100 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE WOODS THERE, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT'S GOING TO GO OUT OF GROUNDHOGS.
YEAH. AND IT'S GOING TO BE JUST TREES THERE.
UNLESS SOMEBODY FOR 100 YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEBODY'S NOT GOING TO BE GOING IN THERE.
WHAT A MARVELOUS, MARVELOUS HEADSTONE TO HAVE A TREE ON TOP OF A BODY.
SO, MR. MOORE, DID YOU DID YOU.
AND IT WAS A SECOND. AND TO ADD IT TO THE SITE PLAN OR TO HAVE IT ADDED TO THE DEED? NO, ADD IT TO THE SITE PLAN.
THERE'S ALREADY A DEED THAT REFERENCES THE CEMETERY.
THEY'LL WIND UP GETTING IT INTO THE PLAT AND ALL THAT.
IS THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
YEAH. OKAY. BUT DO WE HAVE A CLEAR VOTE ON THAT, JEFF? YES. YOU'RE STILL OPPOSED? NO, THAT'S A THAT'S A DIFFERENT MOTION.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT MOTION. SECOND MOTION. YEAH, I GOTTA CALL. YOU GOTTA CALL THAT QUESTION. GOOD.
HEADACHE. OKAY. SHOW OF HANDS AGAIN FOR MR. MORSE. MR. MORSE, 34 AS FAR AS VOTED UPON.
THANK YOU. ACCEPTED. OKAY, NOW, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO MORE TONIGHT, BUT I DO WANT TO KEEP US THINKING ABOUT THESE AND MEET ON THIS IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT IS. ABOUT MORE DEEP RESEARCH FOR SOLAR ENDEAVORS.
AND ALSO, IN A PERFECT WORLD, I GUESS WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IN A PERFECT WORLD WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF MONEY YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ZONING COULD HIRE SOMEBODY TO GO AROUND AND CHECK EVERY CEMETERY SITE ONCE A YEAR OR WHATEVER TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE COPACETIC.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, AND IT'S NOT A PERFECT WORLD.
BUT ANYWAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ANOTHER TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP ABOUT THE LETTER I SIGNED FOR.
I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE MAN'S NAME? JEFF, I BELIEVE. YES, YES, YES.
SO WE SENT THAT LETTER APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS AGO, AND I DID PUT IN THE LETTER.
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THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT IS WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP? SO DID YOU HAVE AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THAT LETTER? I DO, I'M GETTING IT UP HERE RIGHT NOW.
AND WHO DID IT GO TO? MY HEART.
CAN WE BACK UP A STEP FURTHER EVEN? BECAUSE I WAS OUT FOR MY MOTHER'S SURGERY FOR THE LAST MEETING, SO. OKAY. GIVE ME SOME BACK STORY, BECAUSE, WELL, WE. IT'S BEEN HANGING FIRE TOO LONG.
THE BOTTOM LINE, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD TO LEAVE IT IN ABEYANCE BECAUSE THE THE STATE OR POSSIBLY EVEN THE FEDS WERE GOING TO HAVE.
LITIGATION AGAINST THIS GUY VIOLATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY.
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL THE CEDAR LANE.
RIGHT. AND THEY DID FIND ONE HEADSTONE.
YEAH. OKAY. WHICH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT STILL HAS.
JEFFREY AND I OKAY. SO WE WE WROTE HIM A NICE LETTER, I THOUGHT. AND IT'S UP THERE TRYING TO GET US BACK TO TO GETTING SOMETHING DONE.
SO ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR US TO FOR HIM TO GIVE US PERMISSION TO GO OUT THERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT.
OKAY. YES. BECAUSE I IN THE LAST MEETING, WE WANTED TO VISIT THE SITE AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE HEADSTONE PUT BACK IN PLACE.
YEAH. WHY DID YOU MOVE THE HEADSTONE? I DIDN'T THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TOOK A SEARCH WARRANT FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND THEY CAN'T JUST GO PUT IT BACK.
THEY SAY THE WARRANT HAS EXPIRED AND EVERYBODY'S SCARED.
AND I CLAIM UNDER THE OPEN FIELDS DOCTRINE AND THAT WE'RE EMPOWERED TO GO THERE.
BUT NOBODY WANTS TO BACK ME UP ON THAT.
SO THIS LETTER WAS AN ATTEMPT TO OPEN UP COMMUNICATION WITH HIM SO WE CAN GET IT RESOLVED FOR THE BOTH OF BOTH PARTIES.
YOU KNOW, ALL WE WANT TO DO IS RETURN IT TO SOMETHING HALFWAY DECENT AND AGAIN, PUT UP A LITTLE FENCE OR SOMETHING AND BE DONE WITH IT.
I GUESS IF I WAS HIM, I'D PROBABLY IGNORE YOU ALL, SO I WOULDN'T WANT A FENCE THERE BECAUSE THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE IN THE RECORDS. IT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED A CEMETERY. WELL IT IS.
I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT CEMETERY. I DIDN'T SAY HE DID.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT THREATENING.
WHY WOULD HE REPLY TO YOU IF HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT? AND IT WAS INADVERTENTLY.
I THINK HE KNEW IT WAS THERE. BUT YES, HE DID KNOW HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.
WELL, HE DID KNOW IT WAS THERE.
APPARENTLY HE CLAIMED, HE CLAIMED LEGALLY PROVEN THAT HE CAN'T PROVE THAT HE. I THINK HE KNEW IT WAS THERE AND HE KNEW IT WAS THERE.
HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. HE CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES OVER IT AND COVERED IT UP.
HE DIDN'T CUT HIM DOWN. HE PULLED HIM OUT. HE CAN'T. WELL, WHATEVER. THAT'S A VIOLATION IN CODE. THIS IS THE DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED TO HAVE FOR A YEAR.
I READ MORE. YOU CAN READ THE CEMETERY.
IF IT WAS A TWO FOOT TALL RAGWEED, YOU COULD PULL IT OUT AND DROP IT.
A TREE ON A CEMETERY IS A WEED.
I HAVE A I HAVE A I HAVE A WEED DEGREE FROM UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND.
I WAS TAUGHT BY MY FIRST PROFESSOR.
HE INSTEAD OF PICKING IT UP WITH HIS HAND, HE PICKED IT UP WITH AN EXCAVATOR. HE PULLED THAT WEED OUT AND DROPPED IT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, BUT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SHALLOW ROOTED ANNUAL OR PERENNIAL AND A TREE. AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT GRAVES UNDERNEATH OF IT.
WELL, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. THE LAW SAYS A WEED, I READ IT, I SENT IT BACK TO YOU IN THAT CASE.
IN THAT CASE, THAT IS NOT WHAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT. IN THAT CASE, IF HE HAD ASKED FOR PERMISSION OR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.
BUT HE DIDN'T. AND THEN HE COVERED UP THE GRAVESITE.
THEN BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN WEED A CEMETERY.
YEAH, BUT I THINK I THINK THAT ALSO SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT TREES IN CEMETERIES THAT YOU CANNOT BRING UP AND SEE.
YEAH. YOU HAVE TWO DEFINITIONS. SO I SENT THE EMAILS.
IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY EMAILS, YOU'LL SEE I CUT AND PASTE IT OUT OF IT.
OKAY, JIMMY, HOLD ON FOR A MINUTE.
AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A SEMI-OPEN GRAVE OR TWO.
WE HAVE A TOMBSTONE THAT'S IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO LEAVE THINGS.
THIS IS. THIS IS A. YOU SHOULD PUT THE DAMN THING BACK.
WELL, IF HE'S GONNA IF HE'S GOING TO FILE A LAWSUIT THAT SOMEBODY TRESPASSED TO DO THAT, WHERE ARE WE, THEN? SO HOW DID THE SHERIFF FOR THE TOMBSTONE.
THEY GOT A WARRANT. THEY GOT A WARRANT.
THEY GO SEARCH IT. OH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY SEIZED IT AS EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT IT WAS AN INTENT.
STONE, AS EVIDENCE, IT WAS PROVED, WAS WAS STANDING UPRIGHT.
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NO IT WAS. THE ALLEGATION WAS THAT HE INTENTIONALLY DEFACED THE CEMETERY TO TRY TO WAS THE STONE ON THE GROUND IN THE CEMETERY, AND HE PUT TREES ON TOP OF THE GRAVE.AND HE WAS TOLD. HE WAS TOLD WHEN HE GOT THE PROPERTY BY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THERE WAS A CEMETERY IN THOSE TREES.
AND YET HE DID IT ANYWAY, WHICH IS INTENTIONAL.
BUT THEY DID NOT THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT IT WAS INTENTIONAL.
SO THEREFORE THEY DID NOT FILE ANY CHARGES.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE SHERIFF'S THE REASON THEY SHERIFF'S WENT OUT THERE, THEY GOT THE SEARCH WARRANT TO PROVE THAT, PROVE THAT THERE WAS THAT THERE.
SO THEY SEARCHED? NO, THEY IDENTIFIED THE HEADSTONE AND THEY WERE CONCERNED IF YOU LEFT IT THERE THAT THE DUDE MIGHT DESTROY IT.
SO THEY THEY SEIZED IT REALLY AS EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A GRAVESITE THERE.
AND TO PROTECT IT FROM BEING DESTROYED LIKE THE REST OF THE CEMETERY WAS OR DISAPPEARED OR DISAPPEARED. SO THAT WAS WHAT ALL THAT WAS ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR WHEN THIS CAME UP.
NO, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PROSECUTE HIM AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DO THE CEMETERY PRESERVATION ROLE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
RIGHT, RIGHT. TRY TO RESTORE IT TO A REASONABLE CONDITION.
WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW IF COYOTES HAVE DUG UP AND THEY'RE MUNCHING ON THE BONES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO. IT HAS TO BE RESOLVED.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT WITHOUT THREATENING ANYBODY.
SO LEGALLY, HOW CAN WE DO THIS IF THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK LEGALLY? HOW CAN WE GET PERMISSION FROM THE SHERIFF TO PUT THIS STONE BACK? YOU, AS THE CEMETERY PRESERVATION BOARD, CANNOT REQUIRE ANYTHING.
SO SO IN THIS CASE YOU'LL BE RECOMMEND TO SHOULD WE SHOULD THIS LETTER SAID WE RECOMMEND YOU ALLOW THE SHERIFF TO PUT THE STONE BACK.
WELL I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS LETTER WAS TO POINT OUT TO MR. HART THAT HE HAD AN OBLIGATION TO CONTACT ME, WHICH HE DOES BY STATUTE, THAT STATE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CODE. AND THAT LETTER PUT HIM ON NOTICE.
HE HAD AN OBLIGATION, AND I KNOW PLANNING CODES ALSO CONTACTED THE MARYLAND HISTORICAL TRUST.
BUT WITH REGARD TO WHAT TO DO WITH MR. HART, THE ONE THING I WOULD STATE FOR EVERYBODY'S CLARIFICATION IS BECAUSE THE MATTER IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE CAN'T TAKE A VOTE TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO MR. HART, BECAUSE HE HAS DUE PROCESS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. BUT TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, WHAT CAN WE DO TO REQUIRE THE WE AS THE CEMETERY PRESERVATION BOARD THE BURIAL SITE REVIEW BOARD OR PRESERVATION BOARD CAN'T REQUIRE. WE CAN ONLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WE NEED TO SEND ANOTHER LETTER THAT WE RECOMMEND HIM.
ALLOW THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT EITHER ALLOW US OR AT LEAST ALLOW THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO PUT THE STONE BACK.
WELL, WE WE AND AND BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, JESSIE, WE ALSO WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO PUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 15TH IF THERE WAS A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WANTED TO ISSUE TO FOLLOW DUE PROCESS AS FAR AS THIS PUBLIC BODY IS CONCERNED.
SO WE CAN DEBATE IT, WE CAN WORDSMITH THAT, BUT THE DELIBERATION SHOULD TAKE PLACE DURING THAT PUBLIC MEETING, NOT DURING THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
OF COURSE, MR. CLARK HAS THE RIGHT TO BE PRESENT FOR THAT.
OF COURSE. YES. I MEAN, YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN OPEN FORUM.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENERALLY DISCUSS OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS. BUT AS FAR AS DELIBERATING WHAT TO DO WITH REGARD TO MR. FLAHAUT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST THAT WE DO THAT AFTER NOTIFYING OR AT LEAST PUBLISHING NOTICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE MATTER.
SO THEN LAST MONTH, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BECAUSE THIS WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.
RIGHT? I HAVE. YEAH. NO, THAT WAS ON THE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
YEAH. YEAH I THOUGHT THEY WERE WITH HIM LAST MONTH AS IT WAS, BUT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A NOTE IN TO DISCUSS CEDAR LANE.
AND TO BE HONEST, THE IMPACT OF THIS LETTER, ALTHOUGH I MEAN, THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT RULES.
YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BRIEF THEM ON WHAT THE STATE LAW IS AND OPEN UP CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION. RIGHT, EXACTLY.
IT'S REALLY JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, HE HAS TO HE HAS TO NOTIFY ME MH MH MH.
HE HAS TO NOTIFY THEM BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT MOVED TO STONE.
NO, NO, HE HAS TO NOTIFY MH BECAUSE THE REAL PROPERTY OWNER OF 14 120 1.1 SAYS THAT ANY
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PROPERTY OWNER, SPECIFICALLY OF LAND THAT ENCOMPASSES A BURIAL SITE OF MORE THAN 50 YEARS SHALL NOTIFY MH AND THEN THE PROVISION OF THAT THAT ISN'T THERE IS THAT MH MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT BUT I'M GETTING BACK TO.SO HE HAS TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN OUR RECORDS.
HE KNEW IT WAS THERE OR WE KNEW IT WAS THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T. I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO LIKE THE CASE OF CHERRY WOOD.
THEY HAD TO NOTIFY HIM BECAUSE SUPPOSEDLY NOBODY KNEW IT WAS THERE.
THEY FOUND IT. THEY TOLD THE LANDOWNER, WE JUST FOUND THIS.
SOMEBODY SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY MD.
IN THIS CASE, HE KNEW IT WAS THERE.
WELL, HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.
HE DIDN'T KNOW IT. OKAY, SO THIS IS THIS IS OFFICIALLY TELLING HIM IT'S THERE. THEN HE HAS TO.
YEAH. SO ONCE HE KNOWS IT, WILL THEY THEN TELL THE COUNTY THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN THE RECORDS? SO IT'S IN ONE OF THE LISTS THAT YOUR UNPAID STAFF MEMBER IS GOING TO GO LOOK AT ANNUALLY TO CHECK THAT IT'S STILL THERE.
SO IS CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH PLANNING AND CODE, SINCE WE HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH THEM AS TO WHAT ITS RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
WE COULD, IF WE WANTED TO ADOPT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING AND PUT THEM IN OUR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING RECOMMENDATIONS. I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT 14 121 DOESN'T NECESSARILY.
DOES IT HINGE ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER KNOWS OR DOESN'T KNOW OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE CEMETERY? IT JUST SAYS, YOU SHALL CONSULT WITH THE DIRECTOR OF MH MHG ABOUT THE PROPER TREATMENT OF MARKERS, HUMAN REMAINS AND ENVIRONMENT SURROUNDING THE BURIAL SITE. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A KNOWN OR AN UNKNOWN BURIAL SITE.
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO BURIAL SITE, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THE FENCE, CERTAINLY A GRAVE, THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF COMMANDMENTS YOU ARE REQUIRED TO CONSULT WITH.
THE MIXTURE WAS ADDED TO THE COUNTY LIST PRESIDENT COUNTY LIST.
NOW WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIND A PERSON TO ADD IT TO OUR LIST.
SO I WAS ALSO PICKING UP THAT I SHOULD BE CONTACTED REGARDING OUR CEMETERY LIST. SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR GIS RECORD OF CEMETERIES HAS BEEN RUN BY MH ET AL.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATION.
YOU KNOW, CONSULTING WITH MH IS NEVER A BAD THING WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
BUT THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE MANHATTAN SIDEWALK THAT I'M OPEN.
SO IT'S ON A LIST TO BE ADDED WHEN OUR GIS PERSON DECIDE TO GET BACK TO YOUR ISSUE.
WE REALLY JUST NEED TO TABLE YOUR CONCERN, OR WE NEED TO MAKE YOU WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING. APPARENTLY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE WE CAN MAKE ANY OFFICIAL DECISION.
WELL, YOU ALL ARE NOW AWARE OF WHAT WE DID SEND TO HIM.
THANK YOU. AND THERE'S BEEN NO RESPONSE.
OKAY. JEFF. WHAT'S NEXT? DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.
NO. KATHLEEN, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE MY SUGGESTIONS FOR TOPICS FOR THE NEXT MEETING? I'M SORRY. WHAT DO YOU WANT? TO TAKE MY SUGGESTIONS ON TOPICS FOR THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING? SURE. ONE WOULD BE FUTURES SUPERVISION OF GRADE SITES.
THE OTHER WOULD BE MORE DEEP RESEARCH.
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO WORD IT, YOU KNOW, MORE DEEP RESEARCH IN TITLE DEEDS SEARCHING FOR HISTORIC GRAVESITES BY PARTICULARLY SOLAR COMPANIES, I GUESS, IN OUR CASE. AND THE THIRD THING WOULD BE WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE DO IS IT NECESSARY FOR US TO SEND HIM A LETTER? IT GOES ON THE AGENDA. IT'S NEVER A BAD IDEA TO GIVE AS MUCH.
I'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH THE ATTORNEY THAT I REFERRED THIS LETTER TO.
YEAH. OKAY. SO I WOULD HOLD THAT FUTURE AGENDA BECAUSE I BROUGHT THIS UP A YEAR AGO.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE THE LIST OF THE SITES THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO ADDRESS,
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BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN LEAD CEMETERIES. SO I'D LIKE TO GET A LEGAL DEFINITION OF A WEED AND A LEGAL DEFINITION, OR LOOK AT THE COMAR AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE AND CAN'T BE DONE ON CEMETERY.AND IN ADDITION TO THE WEEDING ISSUE, CAN SOMEBODY HANG A SPRAY BOOTH OVER THE TOP OF IT WHEN THEY'RE SPRAYING A SOYBEAN FIELD TO KEEP THE TREES UNDER CONTROL? IS THAT LEGAL? IS IT LEGAL FOR A SPRINKLER ON IRRIGATION TO IRRIGATE A CEMETERY? CAN WE? WEED WHACKER CEMETERY.
WHAT? WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE? AND THEN HOW CLOSE CAN YOU DO THESE THINGS? OR CAN YOU DO THINGS IF THERE'S NO FENCE AROUND THE CEMETERY, THE BURIAL SITE, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT? HOW CLOSE CAN WE PLANT TO IT? HOW CLOSE CAN WE BUILD A FENCE FOR A RABBIT PEN OR WHATEVER TO IT? I COULDN'T FIND SETBACKS WHEN I WAS READING TRYING TO FIND A TREE ISSUE.
AND I AND I HAVE A FEELING THE TREE ISSUES IS WE'RE MAKING A BIGGER DEAL OUT OF IT.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY WROTE THE WALL, THERE WEREN'T TREES ON THESE CEMETERIES BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T OLD ENOUGH AT THE TIME TO HAVE TREES ON THEM, AND PEOPLE WERE MAINTAINING THEM. SO IN THE PAST 50 YEARS, WHEN PEOPLE QUIT MAINTAINING THEM AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT THEM, THAT'S WHY THE TREE ISSUE TREES HAVE BECOME MORE OF AN ISSUE MORE RECENTLY. AND THEN MY MY LAST QUESTION IS I HAVE A LOT OF FUTURE MEETINGS, BUT MY OTHER QUESTION IS SO A BURIAL SITE BECOMES A.
I DIDN'T READ THE DEFINITION ABOUT THIS, I JUST BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS AT YOUR ALL NIGHT. I UNDERSTAND IF WE WANT TO BURY SOMEBODY I KNOW BACK HERE THERE'S A PERMIT PROCESS AND I WISH THEY HAD DONE THAT 200 YEARS AGO.
WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS PROBLEM HERE, RIGHT? BUT IF BUT I'M ASSUMING WE CAN.
WE CAN'T DUMP ASHES IN A PUBLIC BODY.
WATER. WE CAN DUMP ASHES ON OUR OWN PROPERTY.
RIGHT? YES. ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY OR PROPERTY THAT YOU HAVE THE OWNER'S PERMISSION? CORRECT. SO DOES THAT THEN BECOME A BURIAL SITE? THE SPRINKLING OF ASHES OR THE BURIAL IN A BIODEGRADABLE CONTAINER SHALL NOT CONSTITUTE THE CREATION OF THE BURDEN. OKAY, JIM, I THINK THERE'S A MATERIAL AND WE SORT OF DANCING AROUND THIS.
I THINK THERE'S A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME GOING OUT AND PLANTING CORN AROUND THE KNOWN CEMETERY, BECAUSE THERE'S ZILLIONS OF THEM IN THESE FIELDS.
AND. AND I'M GOING TO USE THIS TERM REAL ROUGHLY BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS, THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OR, OR LESSER SHIP OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A PROPERTY.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT HERE IMPLICITLY.
THESE ISSUES WOULDN'T BE QUITE THE SAME ISSUE IF WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT A SOLAR PROJECT OR A SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR A CELL PHONE TOWER.
HIGHWAYS. THERE'S A REAL MATERIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FARMING UP TO THE BOUNDARY OF A CEMETERY IN THE BACKFIELD AND TERRAFORMING A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSES OF SOMETHING OTHER THAN FARMING.
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN DEFINE THAT BOUNDARY BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE.
AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, I THINK, IN A LARGER SENSE, IS THE PROBLEM OF SUBURBANIZATION AND THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPINGING UPON OUR LITTLE RURAL PARADISE.
AND HOW WE MANAGE THAT GOING FORWARD.
CHICKEN HOUSE BORDERS THROUGH CEMETERIES.
PARDON? THERE'S CHICKEN HOUSE SLAUGHTERS THROUGH CEMETERIES THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. IRRIGATION. WHEN YOU HAVE A CEMETERY WITH STONES ON IT, YOU'RE TRAVELING IRRIGATION ISN'T THAT DOES NOT POSE A PROBLEM FOR THAT PERIOD OF CASTLE HALL. YEAH. THAT'S THAT WAS THE PROBLEM AT CASTLE HALL.
SO I DIDN'T HEAR THE BEGINNING OF IT.
YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS A PROBLEM OR YOU'RE ASKING, IS THERE A PROBLEM? WELL, BECAUSE THE CASTLE HALL, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM, BUT I'M SAYING, IS THERE.
WOULD THAT BE A MAJOR PROBLEM IN MY MIND? IT'S NOT. IT'S KEEPING THE GRASS GROWING OVER THE TOP OF THE THE SUN AS LONG AS THE TRAVEL WILL, IN MY OPINION. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M DISCUSSING ABOUT.
YEAH. THE WHEELS SHOULDN'T GO OVER THE TOP OF THE SUN.
YEAH, I PERSONALLY I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT AS LONG AS THE WHEELS AREN'T ENCROACHING
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ON GRAVES. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SUMMERS YOU'VE GIVEN AN AWFUL LOT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WATER ON SOME.WELL, AND THERE'S THERE'S ANOTHER HARD TRUTH WE NEED TO FACE HERE IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT BEING REGULATORY, ABOUT THIS SUPERVISING.
AND THAT IS, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF CEMETERIES IN CAROLINE COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN PLOWED UNDER BY THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT FARMS FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNERS.
AND I MEAN, I CAN ATTEST TO THAT BECAUSE HALF MY FAMILY DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE OF THIS.
I CAN'T FIND WHERE THEY'RE VERY SO THERE IS PRECEDENT, AS HORRIBLE AS IT SOUNDS, FOR THE REMOVAL OF THESE CEMETERIES.
SO YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT WHERE WE STAND ON THIS ISSUE AND HOW RADICAL WE WANT TO BE ABOUT IT.
WITHOUT A BUDGET OR THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE ANYTHING, WE WE THINK. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW.
YEAH. AND I THINK THE OTHER INTERESTING QUESTION, TOO, IS, JUST AS YOU WERE SAYING, ERIC, ABOUT WHETHER IT IS SOLAR COMPANIES OR THE SUBURBANIZATION OR WHAT? WHATEVER THAT IS. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEEP RESEARCH AND TITLE ABOUT DEEDS, SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, CHIP, WHETHER THAT'S SPECIFICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH SOLAR COMPANIES, IT SEEMS TO ME WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO BROADEN THAT FURTHER, BECAUSE SOLAR COMPANIES RIGHT NOW IS THE EXAMPLE EXAMPLE OF THE DAY.
BUT 20 YEARS AGO IT WAS THE EXCESSIVE SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE EVILS ARE OR WHATEVER THE CHANGE IS THAT'S AFFECTING WHERE THESE CEMETERIES ARE LOCATED AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T BUILD A ROAD SOMEWHERE WITHOUT DOING AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY. SO WHY DO WE THINK THAT IT WOULD SOMEHOW BE OKAY TO TERRAFORM A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR SOLAR WITHOUT DOING A SIMILAR SURVEY? IS IS REALLY SHOCKING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
RIGHT? RIGHT. AND STOP THEM FROM MOVING.
MR. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT.
YEAH. LOTS. A LOT OF BONES TO CHEW ON.
NO PUN INTENDED. BONES, YOU GOT YOU GOT A LIST? YOU GOT A LIST FOR NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? FOR FUTURE MEETINGS. IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, I'VE PROBABLY SERVED IN 100 DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND BOARDS, AND I'VE NEVER SERVED ON ONE.
THAT EVERY MEETING WAS AN IMPROMPTU PICK, A PICK OF A DATE.
CAN WE CAN WE SET A DATE EVERY MONTH? EVERY MONTH OR EVERY QUARTER? THERE'S THERE'S DATES RIGHT THERE, SWEETIE.
YEAH, I SECOND THAT. WELL, OKAY.
BUT SO IS IS EVERY QUARTER ENOUGH IF WE.
SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONE THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
DID WE HAVE THIS ONE. BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ONE FOR THREE, THREE MORE MONTHS OR TWO MORE MONTHS. WE HAD THIS ONE BECAUSE IT WASN'T EVEN ON SET.
WE HAD HAD THIS ONE BECAUSE THE REPORT CAME IN AND I ALSO WANTED TO.
GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT LETTER.
SO THIS WILL BE OUR MINIMAL MEETINGS.
BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, THEN WE HAVE MEETINGS AS NEEDED IN BETWEEN THESE MANDATORY. WHY CAN'T WE MAKE THE PERSON.
WHY CAN'T WE MAKE THE ISSUE WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T LIKE BEING RAILROADED INTO MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THESE THINGS EITHER. THERE ISN'T TIME TO MAIL ME THE PAPERWORK THAT'S TOO SOON TO HAVE A MEETING.
SET ONE EVERY MONTH AND JUST CANCEL IT.
WE DON'T NEED IT. AT LEAST THEN WE'RE HOLDING IT. AND JUST CANCEL IT TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE.
IF WE DON'T NEED IT A WEEK IN ADVANCE, OR.
OR WE JUST STICK TO THESE FOUR.
AND THEN IF SOMETHING COMES UP, THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING. IF SOMETHING'S NOT TOMORROW, THEY'RE WAITING UNTIL SEPTEMBER 15TH. AND THEN I CAN PUT SEPTEMBER 15TH ON MY CALENDAR.
I PLAN ON GOING ON VACATION THAT DAY.
WELL, WHEN CATHERINE ASKED ME WHEN I WAS AVAILABLE, I SAID, IS NEVER GOOD FOR YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT SCHEDULE WISE. SO IF I CAN PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR, THAT'S ONE THING, AND I CAN CANCEL IT. BUT IMPROMPTU MEETINGS CAN WE, CAN WE CAN WE ACCEPT THIS CURRENT SCHEDULE AND ADD TO THE AGENDA ON SEPTEMBER 15TH IF WE NEED TO ADD SOME MEETINGS TO THIS, EVEN IF IT'S EVERY OTHER MONTH AS OPPOSED TO EVERY QUARTER. BUT WE'VE AT LEAST GOT FOUR MEETINGS AND WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF ADDING THAT, BUT THAT WE DO THAT WITH INTENTION.
THE MEETING BEFORE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU HAVE A QUORUM ON THE 15TH, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SCHEDULED DATES, BUT WE COULD AT LEAST I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE
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AT LEAST ACCEPT THESE FOUR DATES AND GET THOSE CODIFIED INTO OUR CALENDAR AND GO FROM THERE, BECAUSE I'M. I'M WITH YOU, JIM.I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. YEAH, YEAH, I'M WITH YOU, JIM. I THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA WE GOTTA HAVE A SCHEDULE AND ALL IN FAVOR FOR THE SCHEDULING OF THE SCHEDULE? RAISE YOUR HAND HIGH. WELL, WE I RECOMMEND, I RECOMMEND.
SUPERVISOR THE BEST THING YOU CAN YELL AT ME ABOUT. CAN WE DO THESE THINGS AT 7:00 OR 730, OR AT LEAST MAYBE SEVEN IN THE SUMMERTIME AND DAYLIGHT SAVINGS CHANGE.
I MEAN, JUST I LIKE TO EAT DINNER BETWEEN 6 AND 7 AT SOME POINT.
IT'S FINE. AND I THINK AS LONG AS YOU PROMISE NOT TO KEEP US HERE TILL MIDNIGHT.
YEAH, BUT SEE IF WE HAVE YOU WAITING FOR DINNER AND HUNGRY, THEN THE MEETING WILL BE SHORTER.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S WORKED TONIGHT. NO, IT WAS A THEORY THAT A VOTE THAT YOU ALL WOULD RATHER START AT SEVEN.
SO MOVED. DOESN'T MATTER A SECOND.
YEAH. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S GOOD.
EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? STAR IN THE MEETING AT SEVEN AND JIMMY'S BRINGING DINNER.
I'LL BRING YOUR LEFTOVER. BUT SOMETIMES I DO LIKE IT COMING IN.
I'M SORRY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, LET'S CONSIDER THIS ADJOURNED.
AND EVERYONE HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CATHERINE.
ARE ALL OF THESE ON MONDAY NIGHTS?
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ALL OF THESE MONDAY NIGHTS? AWESOME. I LIKE MONDAY NIGHTS.DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? OH, YEAH.
OKAY. WELL, I CAN DO. MOST THURSDAY NIGHTS WERE MY WORST NIGHT.
THURSDAYS ARE ALWAYS PROBLEMATIC. AND.
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