Jul 23, 2025 Liquor Board (Board of License Commissioners)

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WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY BORDER LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEDNESDAY,

[Call to Order]

WE HAVE TEMPORARY LICENSES. THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STAND. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU KNOW THAT.

[• Chamber of Commerce]

TRACY SNYDER, 8907 OSTERMANN COURT, DENTON, MARYLAND.

THANK YOU. SO YOU HAVE TWO TEMPORARY REQUESTS FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THE FIRST IS A FUND RAISER, AND THE SECOND IS A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR TASTING.

AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN THAT OVER TO TRACY TO DESCRIBE HER TWO EVENTS.

OKAY, SO THE FUNDRAISER IS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COW BARN.

[Fundraiser ‘Love for Lisa’ – 101 Cow Barn Road, Ridgely, MD – Saturday, August 9, 2025 3 p.m. – 10 p.m.]

EVERYTHING WILL BE INSIDE AND EVERYONE WILL BE WRISTBAND ID´D AND CHECKED.

SO WE'LL BE CONTROLLING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY HOLD SO MANY PEOPLE.

BUT THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT BANDS, FOOD. THERE'S CORNHOLE OUTSIDE.

YOU CAN'T PLAY CORNHOLE INSIDE, BUT IT'S JUST, ALL THE FUNDS, A SUB FOR A SMALL PORTION WILL GO TO LISA AND HER FAMILY.

THE REST WILL GO TO OUR SCHOLARSHIP FUND. SO I'LL BE THE TIP SERVER.

I'LL BE THE ONE THERE THE WHOLE ENTIRE TIME. [INAUDIBLE] DID GET THEIR TIP CERTIFICATION, BUT THEIR CARDS ARE NOT IN.

SO IF THEY'RE NOT IN BY THAT TIME, I'LL BE THE TIP CERTIFIED PERSON.

IT'S 3 TO 10. IT'S AN EVENING EVENT. AND GRAIN RIDGE BAND, THEIR SON'S BAND IS GOING TO BE PLAYING AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE.

SO IT'S JUST A FUNDRAISER FOR A LOCAL FAMILY THAT HAS HAD SOME TRAGEDY AND THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM ON THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ? YOU OKAY WITH US? YEAH, I KNOW THE AREA. I KNOW THE COMMERCE. ONLY QUESTION.

GETTING THE ALCOHOL FROM RED LIGHT AGAIN FOR THIS EVENT, OR? YEAH, WE'LL WORK WITH RED LIGHT ON THAT ONE. YEAH.

YEAH, JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT SO MUCH IN THE PAST. YES, AND THEY'RE A GOOD PARTNER AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD. YOU SAID EVERYTHING WAS INSIDE, BUT THE THE CORNHOLE IS GOING TO BE OUTSIDE? THEY MAY TAKE A BEER GLASS OUT WITH THEM OR WHATEVER.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SERVING BEER OUTSIDE OR ANYTHING.

THE BAR WILL BE INSIDE. OKAY. SO, IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BEER WITH THEM WHILE THEY'RE THROWING BAGS, I GUESS THEY'LL CARRY THEIR GLASS OUT. BUT IT'S STILL WITHIN THEIR PARAMETERS OF THEIR, RIGHT OUT THE BACK DOOR, LIKE WE DID ROCK THE BARN, WHICH WAS FUN, BY THE WAY.

GOOD QUESTION. DO YOU PARTITION THAT OFF AT ALL ANYWAY, TRACY.

BASED ON HOW IT IS, I MEAN, WE COULD, IF YOU ASK US TO.

THEY'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST. SO THE BACK YARDS FROM.

WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE FREE WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S MORE SECLUDED.

THE ONLY AREA WOULD BE TO GET INTO THE PARKING LOT NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS COVERED BY TREES.

SO I'D SAY THEY'RE PRETTY SAFE. MAYBE MY SUGGESTION, MAYBE A SIGN TOWARDS THE CARS, AND THAT'S IT.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL HAVE A SIGN.

AND THERE IS ONE OTHER ENTRANCE FROM THE PARKING LOT THAT PEOPLE CAN KIND OF CUT THROUGH, BUT THEY BLOCK THAT OFF, JUST LIKE WE DID FOR ROCK THE BARN. SO THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN FROM THE PARKING LOT AND WE'LL WORK REGISTRATION.

I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WORK REGISTRATION OUTSIDE TO I.D.

EVERYONE, AND THEN THEY'LL GO UPSTAIRS, LIKE WE DID ROCK THE BARN FOR RESTROOMS, ETC.

BUT THEY'LL BE INSIDE. IT'S UP TO THE LIQUOR BOARD.

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SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE NEAR THE THING IS NO ALCOHOL BEYOND THIS BOOTH.

OKAY, YEP. WE CAN DO THAT FOR SURE. WE WILL DO THAT.

PLUS THE WRISTBAND, RIGHT? YEAH. THE WRISTBAND IS TO VERIFY, ONE, THEY PAID TO GET IN BECAUSE IT'S A FUNDRAISER, AND TWO, THAT THEY´RE ID´D OVER 21. WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT COLORS, LIKE ROCK THE BARN, EVERYONE HAD A WRISTBAND.

IF IT WAS ORANGE, THEY WERE NOT PARTAKING IN ALCOHOL, AND WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BUY ANYTHING OR WERE UNDER 21.

IF IT'S GREEN AND SAYS ID VERIFIED, THEN THE BARTENDER KNOWS, MYSELF, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ID´D.

IT'S JUST A SIMPLE SYSTEM. IT WORKS PRETTY WELL.

OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE FUNDRAISER LOVE FOR LISA, TO BE HELD ON AUGUST THE 9TH FROM 3 TO 10 AT THE COW BARN ROAD IN DENTON, MARYLAND.

I'LL SECOND THAT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR THE FUNDRAISER LOVE FOR LISA FOR THE CHAIR CAROLINE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SO GOOD. THANK YOU. ON TO NUMBER TWO. ON TO NUMBER TWO, RIGHT? MACTOBER FEST. WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE LICENSE FOR THE EVENT ITSELF ON OCTOBER 25TH.

[Mactoberfest 2025 - Beer, Wine & Liquor Tasting/Sampling - 512 Franklin St, Denton, MD – Saturday, October 25, 2025 11 a.m. – 3 p.m.]

AND SO HERE I AM. WE DID IT LAST YEAR. WHAT WE PLAN THIS YEAR TO DO IS TO ONLY HAVE TWO BEERS AVAILABLE FOR TASTING SO THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE OTHER BEER, BECAUSE IT'S A FUNDRAISER FOR OUR SCHOLARSHIP FUND.

SO THAT'S WHAT OUR PLAN IS. AND WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOMEONE, A COUPLE LIKE A WHITE AND A RED WINE TO TASTE.

ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THEY'LL GET EXACTLY WHAT.

BUT WE WANT TO LIMIT IT TO TWO TASTINGS, PERIOD PER PERSON.

SO THEY'LL GET A TICKET TO VERIFY THAT THEY CAN TASTE THAT.

BECAUSE WE ALREADY PAID TO GET IN LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR.

AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE, THAT'S DONE. OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. SO BASICALLY, WE ALREADY GAVE YOU.

YES, WE CAN SELL AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NOW IS HAVE A TASTING.

PARTICIPANT HAS TO BUY A TICKET. NOW WILL THAT TICKET BE FOR.

SO WE HAVE THAT ALREADY PURCHASED. LAST YEAR WE DID JUST BEER.

THIS YEAR WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHOICE.

IT WOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO BOTH.

AND THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO GET TWO. OKAY. SO THAT CONTROLS HOW MUCH THAT THEY GET.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GIVING AWAY. AND WILL THAT BE.

YOU HAVE THE BEER TRUCK THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE, WILL THIS BE WITHIN THAT AREA? YES, THEY'LL BE TOGETHER. WINE AND BEER WILL BE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

AND SO IF THEY HAVE AND, YOU KNOW, USUALLY DAVE IS HELPING ME AT SOME POINT HE'S BEHIND ME.

BUT NOT TO DRAG YOU INTO THIS, BUT WE COULD DO RED AND BLUE BEER OR RED, YOU KNOW.

AND ONCE THEY HAND THOSE TICKETS OVER, THEY'RE DONE.

ANYTHING THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH WOULD BE A PURCHASE.

BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T BREAK THE BANK IN BEER SALES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S A CHAMBER EVENT. EVERYBODY REALLY HOLDS THEIR DECORUM VERY WELL, BUT WE DO USE THE PROFITS TO ADD TO OUR SCHOLARSHIP FUND.

WE JUST THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE FUN. WE'LL ADD A COUPLE OF WINES WITH RED LIGHT.

WE'LL BE WORKING WITH RED LIGHT. OKAY. ON IT.

AND KELLY DISTRIBUTOR WILL BE OUR BEER. SO RED LIGHT WILL BE HANDLING YOUR TASTING? ONLY THE WINE. OKAY, WHO'S GOING TO BE HANDLING THE TASTING? THE RED LIGHT WILL HANDLE THE WINE TASTING. THE BEER TASTING, WE WILL HAVE BOARD MEMBERS AND OR MYSELF OR MY ASSISTANT WHO ARE ALL CERTIFIED AND OR MAYBE DAVE WHALEY. I HAVEN'T ASKED HIM YET, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES HE VOLUNTEERS.

WE ALWAYS HAVE SOMEONE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE HANDLING THAT AT THE STATION THE WHOLE TIME.

GOTCHA. THAT, AND THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ON PAR WITH THE SAMPLE SIZE.

OKAY. BECAUSE THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. SO ON THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MACTOBERFEST 2025 BEER AND WINE. AND IT IS LIQUOR ALSO, CORRECT? OR IS IT JUST BEER AND WINE? JUST BEER AND WINE.

OKAY. IT'S STAYED ON HERE, IS BEER WINE AND LIQUOR TASTING.

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PLEASE, I DON'T WANT LIQUOR. MR. MANN, IT IS YEAH. BEER AND WINE TASTING SAMPLING. THAT WILL BE AT 512 FRANKLIN STREET IN JUNCTION WITH THE MACTOBERFEST NORMAL EVENTS ON OCTOBER 25TH OF 2025, FROM 11 A.M.

TO 3 P.M.. I SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION FOR THE BEER AND WINE TASTING FOR THE MACTOBERFEST.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED.

THANKS, GUYS. THANK YOU, TRACY. GOOD LUCK.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING DOWN THE LIST, WE HAVE OUR NEXT.

IT´S THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO? IT'S $5.

[• Town of Greensboro - 13875 Greensboro Rd, Greensboro, MD]

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A ONE DAY EVENT FOR THE GREENSBORO CAR SHOW AND MUSIC FEST.

I BELIEVE THIS IS AN ANNUAL EVENT THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO, IT'S GOING TO BE HELD AT THE FIRE HALL LOCATION? YES. THE COMMUNITY? BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY HALL AND THE PROPERTY AT THE TOWN OKAY. THAT'S THE LOCATION FOR AUGUST THE 30TH, FROM NOON UNTIL 6 P.M..

JUST REQUESTING TO SERVE BEER VIA A CASH BAR, AND THEY WILL HAVE MUSIC THERE.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A MUSIC FESTIVAL AND MISTER CUNNINGHAM IS GOING TO BE THE LICENSE HOLDER.

SO I'LL LET YOU DESCRIBE YOUR EVENT TO THE BOARD.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S AN ANNUAL CAR SHOW MUSIC FEST TO BRING GUY IN FROM NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE TO HELP WITH THE MUSIC FEST ASPECT. AND ALL THE MONEY IS RAISED FOR THE COMMUNITY BASKETBALL PROGRAM THAT WE PUT ON HOUSES, 120 KIDS. AND IT DOESN'T COST PARENTS ANYTHING.

SO THE EVENT USUALLY IS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. I THINK LAST YEAR WE HAD OVER 250 CARS SHOW UP.

THERE WAS OVER 500 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. THERE'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE YEARS PAST.

USUALLY EVERYBODY IS RIGHT ON THE SPOT. WE GOT SECURITY THERE AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES.

I BELIEVE THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE STATE REGULATIONS REGARDING ATTENDANCE AT A MUSIC, SPECIFICALLY A MUSIC FESTIVAL.

OVER A CERTAIN NUMBER, YOU HAVE TO POSSIBLY GET A PERMIT FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND PROVIDE SECURITY.

I DON'T RECALL WHERE THAT IS IN THE STATE LAW, BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE WHEN IT PERTAINS TO AN ACTUAL MUSIC FESTIVAL WITH AN ATTENDANCE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 200 OR 500.

MR. HAMMACK, MR. BARROLL, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT KNOW ABOUT? I'M LOOKING FOR IT. OKAY. WE'VE HAD THAT OUT TO THE FOR EACH PARK WHEN THEY HAD SOME BIG NAME FANS COMES.

I WAS LOOKING IN THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES LAW.

I JUST THINK IT IS IN. I WILL SAY I WAS IN ATTENDANCE LAST YEAR, AND I KNOW THAT BASICALLY, AS THE CAR SHOW WOUND DOWN AND THE MUSIC FESTIVAL GOT READY TO BEGIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF ATTENDANTS THAT DID LEAVE.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY ACTUALLY STAYED FOR THE MUSIC PART OF IT, BUT I KNOW A LOT.

THE BIGGEST, I THINK PERSONALLY WHAT I SAW, THE BIGGEST MAJORITY WAS THERE FOR THE CAR SHOW.

SOME PEOPLE STAYED FOR MUSIC, BUT NOT THAT LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

RIGHT. CORRECT. THAT'S. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COVERED ON ALL YOUR PERMITS.

THAT WAS TOTAL PEOPLE THAT CAME THROUGH THE VENUE.

SO THE COURT BETWEEN THE CAR SHOW IN THAT IT'S KOBA.

1016 0501 AND C3 APPLIES TO SEVERAL COUNTIES, INCLUDING CAROLINE.

AND IT REQUIRES, IN ADDITION TO A HEALTH PERMIT, THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO BE A PROMOTER OF AN OUTDOOR MUSIC FESTIVAL SHOW A CLEAN AND SAFETY PERMIT, AND A PROMOTER LICENSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUSINESS REGULATION ARTICLE.

WHEN THERE TO AN OUTDOOR MUSIC FESTIVAL WITH A THOUSAND OR MORE SPECTATORS.

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YEAH. I MEAN, BRANDON, AS FAR AS THE FENCED IN AREA, IS EVERYTHING STAYING THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR? SO YEAH, PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING IS MUSIC FEST GOT SHIFTED MORE TO THE LEFT BECAUSE THE TOWN BUILT THE AMPHITHEATER THERE.

SO THAT WAY IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STATIONARY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CARS AND EVERYTHING.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S SHIFTED. OKAY.

I'VE BEEN TO THE EVENT BEFORE. THERE WAS NO PROBLEMS. AND, I MEAN, I KNOW AS A PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, SHARPTON DOES THE SAME THING FOR THEIR KIDS.

SO I'VE BEEN IN PART OF THE SOCCER GROUP THERE.

SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. AND I'M SURE THE TOWNSPEOPLE DO TOO.

SO BUT I'VE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS AT THIS ORGANIZATION.

I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THEY HAVE THE WHOLE TOWN SUPPORTING THAT.

YEAH. AND YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR VENUE NOW FENCED AS WELL, THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD IN THE YEARS PAST.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING NEW THAT THEY'VE INSTALLED IN TERMS OF THE FENCING THERE AT THE COMMUNITY HALL.

THE POLICE DIDN'T HAVE THE. WHO'S THERE REPRESENTING THE POLICE? THIS YEAR I'M SURE IT'S DIFFERENT. BUT YEAH, LATELY GREENSBORO HAS BEEN SITTING AT GREENSBORO QUICK STOP AREA, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE SPEED CAMERA. YEAH. BUT, YEAH.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHO.SO I THINK THAT THEY HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SUPPORT.

OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THIS. YEAH. I'M FOLLOWING YOUR INFORMATION.

YES. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. LET ME GET MY GLASSES.

[Greensboro Car Show | Music Fest – Saturday, August 30, 2025, 12 p.m. – 6 p.m.]

DO YOU WANT ME? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO´S ANNUAL CAR SHOW MUSIC FEST FOR SATURDAY, AUGUST 30TH, 2025 FROM 12 P.M. TO 6 P.M.. I SECOND THAT.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS CAR SHOW AND MUSIC FEST FOR GREENSBORO, THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO MOVED.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BRIAN, AND GOOD LUCK. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS THE CAROLINE / DORCHESTER COUNTY FAIR. YOU KNOW THE DRILL.

[• Caroline/Dorchester Fair Board – 8930 Detour Rd, Denton, MD]

JOHN KENEALLY 26331 HOBBS ROAD, DENTON, MARYLAND.

THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS THE ANNUAL CAROLINE DORCHESTER FAIR.

THE REQUEST IS FOR THREE DAYS. THIS WILL BE THE SEVENTH, EIGHTH AND 9TH OF AUGUST.

BEGINNING AT 6 P.M. AND RUNNING TILL 11 P.M..

THEY'RE DOING CASH BAR FOR BEER, AND MR. KENEALLY WILL BE THE LICENSE HOLDER.

IN YOUR PACKAGE IS A COPY OF THE AREA THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE APPROVED FOR THE LICENSED PREMISES, AS WELL AS ALL OF THEIR ALCOHOL AWARENESS CERTIFICATIONS.

THIS I MEAN, THE AREA HASN'T CHANGED.

IT CHANGED LAST YEAR, BUT IT YES. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY'VE ADDED AN ADDITION TO ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

NOW THAT INCLUDES BATHROOMS. YEAH, WE HAVE DOWN TOWARDS THE BACK.

IT'S NOT ON THERE BESIDE THE TWO LONG BUILDINGS.

THERE'S RESTROOMS, A STORAGE AND LAUNDRY IN THERE.

BUT THAT'S NOT ANYTHING. THAT'S NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PAVILION WHERE THE ACTUAL SHOWS ARE.

YEAH. THIS IS. YEAH, IT'S IT'S BEEN A GREAT EVENT.

I'VE ATTENDED NUMEROUS TIMES. AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THEIR EVENTS AND THEY'VE LEARNED.

IS IT GOING TO BE AMISH OUTLAWS AGAIN THIS YEAR? NO, ACTUALLY, IT'S JOHNNY´S BOYS.

OKAY. THE REAGAN YEARS AND THEN JIMMY CHARLES, WHICH HE'S A LOCAL, BUT HE'S A BIGGER NAME.

YEAH. DORCHESTER COUNTY GUY. YEAH. SOMEWHERE ON THE SHORE.

SO HE HOPEFULLY THAT GOES OFF BECAUSE HE IS KIND OF BIGGER AND WE'RE KIND OF SMALLER.

SO THE LOGISTICS OF HIM ARE MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY DO.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR TENT SET UP THE SAME WAY THAT WE NORMALLY DO OFF THE PAVILION WITH THE WRISTBANDS.

SO FORTH. THE ONLY ADDITION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

I SPOKE WITH MISS GENEVA ABOUT THE LAYTON'S CHANCE.

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THEY'RE A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO REACH OUT TO YOU. THAT'S NOT ME. THAT WOULD BE A STATE PERMIT, CORRECT? BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE THERE, BUT THEY'RE THERE AS A VENDOR, NOT AS A FOR EACH SALE.

THE ONLY MONEY WE GOT FROM THEM WAS THEIR VENDOR FEE.

AND UNDER A STATE PERMIT, I'M ALLOWED TO INSPECT THEM.

BUT ANYTHING WOULD GO THROUGH THE STATE OR ATCC.

BUT WITH THEM BEING THERE THOUGH. AND THEM SERVING.

IS IT STILL ON THE FAIR BOARD TO MAKE SURE TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE TO STAY WITHIN THAT AREA? I MEAN. WHAT KIND OF PREMISE DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE? YEAH, THAT'S I JUST. I DON'T WANT TO JUST OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS WITH THAT.

BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES IN TERMS OF THEIR LICENSING.

I MEAN, BASICALLY WE'RE APPROVING IT YOU KNOW, FOR A CERTAIN PREMISE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT ON THE PATRONS THAT ARE GOING TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STILL STAYING WITHIN YOUR.

YEAH, I WILL REACH OUT TO THE LADIES AND BE LIKE, FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF BRACELETS THEY'RE USING OR HOWEVER THEY'RE MEAN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING THEIRS. WE EXCUSE ME, WE'RE GETTING OUR BRACELETS THROUGH KELLY DISTRIBUTORS.

A LOT OF TIMES I THINK THEY SAY BUDWEISER, BUD LIGHT.

YEAH. SO I'M HOPING THAT OUR BRACELETS DON'T COINCIDE AND MATCH THEIRS SO THAT WE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

AND YOU'RE NOT DOING THE WINE. YOU'RE ONLY DOING BEER. WE'RE JUST DOING BEER, THE CIDER.

MAYBE HOOP TEA OR WHATEVER. IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. I'M SORRY FOR NOT UPDATING THAT PART OF IT, BUT THE LATENT CHANCE GOES BACK TO THE WHOLE RIDGELY WINTERFEST THING WHERE.

YEAH, I KNOW IT. SOME COUNTIES ARE STARTING TO COME UP WITH SOME STUFF ABOUT THAT, LIKE WICOMICO JUST CAME UP WITH A WALK AROUND.

I THINK, JOHN, JUST MAKE SURE THEY ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS A PREMISE AREA AND THAT.

IT WAS, THE WHOLE FAIR BOARD WAS UP IN THE AIR ABOUT IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IT COULD BE CUTTING INTO OUR SALES, BUT OUR TIPS PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH HAVING TO SERVE SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT WE ALSO HEAR AND THIS IS NOT LIQUOR BOARD.

WE ALWAYS HEAR STUFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DORCHESTER REPRESENTATION AT THE CAROLINE DORCHESTER COUNTY FAIR.

SO WE KIND OF FELT WE NEEDED TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR THEM, EVEN THOUGH SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S GOING TO HURT OUR SALES, BUT. YOUR BEER DRINKERS AND WINE DRINKERS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HURT.

HE'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH AND THE WHOLE FAIR GUN BASH FAIR.

ALL OF IT TOGETHER. IT'S BEEN GREAT. I'VE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES AT ALL.

AT ALL. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL HAPPEN FOR THIS FAIR, BUT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO GETTING A SCANNER SO THAT IT DEFINITELY TAKES ANY GUESSWORK OUT OF IT, SO FORTH. BUT THEY'RE LIKE $800, SO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. I'M OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY APPLICATION FOR THE CAROLINE DORCHESTER COUNTY FAIR TO BE HELD AT THE FAIR SITE AT DETOUR ROAD AND APPROVED FOR AUGUST THE 7TH, EIGHTH AND NINTH. THEY PUT THE HOURS ON THERE? FROM 6 P.M. TO 11 P.M.. I SECOND THAT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY APPLICATION FOR THE CAROLINE DORCHESTER COUNTY FAIR. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. SO MOVED. THANK YOU JOHN. THANK YOU SIR.

GOOD LUCK. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE.

TAKING CARE OF OUR TEMPORARY APPLICATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IN NEXT. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE CHOPTANK RIVER YACHT CLUB IS LOOKING FOR AN EXTENSION TO THE PREMISE. SO YOU KNOW THE DEAL. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER OF A PENALTY OF PERJURY,

[Extension of Premise]

THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A REQUEST FOR A TEMPORARY, ONE DAY EXPANSION OF THE LICENSED PREMISE AREA FOR THE CHOPTANK RIVER YACHT CLUB FOR AN EVENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING OUTSIDE.

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SO IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 60FT FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY LIES AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

SO IT WILL EXTEND FROM BASICALLY THE CREEK OVER TO THE MATTHEWS BROTHERS BUILDING.

GEORGE BAKER IS GOING TO GET US SOME TOWN BARRICADES.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT TAPE BETWEEN THE BARRICADES.

SO YOU'RE CLOSING OFF PARKING IN THAT AREA. WELL, SO THE GRASSY AREA WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE, BUT. YEAH, BUT THE STONE AREA FROM FROM BASICALLY THE UTILITY POLE INWARD WILL BE PART OF THE AREA BECAUSE I GUESS HE'S GOT KELLY'S BRINGING THEIR BEER WAGON IN AND ALSO AND HE'S GOT LIVE MUSIC AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

WE WILL BE USING WRISTBANDS JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER ON OUR SERVERS SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT WITH EVERYBODY IS BEING SERVED CORRECTLY.

AND THIS AREA IS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU DO FOR THE HALLOWEEN THING.

YEAH, BUT WE FIGURED WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE SOME OF OUR PARKING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE PARKING AND BEING A PREMIUM AS IT IS.

WITH ALL THE FOLKS THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING BEING THERE.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A THOUSAND PEOPLE. IT'S JOE, YOU NEVER KNOW.

WHAT IT COULD BE, HE'S INVITED THE KNOWN WORLD.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK HE'S INVITED EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD.

I DON'T SEE IT. I MEAN, THEY'RE CLOSING OFF THE PARKING IN THAT AREA, SO IT'S GOING TO BE CORDONED OFF TO YOU.

MR. MANN BROUGHT UP THE SAME THING. I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN THE HALLOWEEN EVENT AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. SO AND I DO ATTEND THOSE SO I SEE NO ISSUES.

WELL, AND AFTER HEARING WHAT YOU SAID WITH TRACY I WILL PUT SOME I'LL PUT SOME SIGNS OUT THERE ON THAT PERIMETER AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ALCOHOL PAST THIS POINT. THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE RAMP THAT DAY.

WHAT'S THAT? I THINK I CLOSED THE BOAT. YEAH. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO I GOT TO THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT WITH HIM TALKING.

SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BLENDING. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT RAMP AREA IS ACTUALLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE BEER WAGON.

AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET PIERSON'S TO BRING A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE PORTABLE UNITS IN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK OUR SEPTIC IS GOING TO HOLD ALL THOSE PEOPLE.

YEAH. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, SIR. I'M FINE WITH THIS.

MAKE A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.

CHOPTANK RIVER YACHT CLUB REQUESTS FOR AN EXTENSION OF 60FT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOL FOR THEIR 80TH BIRTHDAY EVENT FOR JOE SMITH TO BE HELD ON AUGUST THE 9TH. AND I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S OUR NORMAL OPERATING HOURS, WHICH IS THAT TIME OF YEAR, IT'S 12 TO 2, BUT HE'S 80.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL GO INTO TWO. YEAH, OKAY.

[• Choptank River Yacht Club – Letter of Permission for a Temporary One-Day Extension of Licensed Premise Area – August 9, 2025]

SITTING OVER HERE DAYDREAMING. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS ONE DAY EXPANSION FOR THE LICENSED PREMISES FOR THE CHOPTANK RIVER YACHT CLUB.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SO MOVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING BACK. WE HAVE.

NEW LICENSES FOR THE FIRST ONE UP IS NAZARETH'S 312 BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE.

[New License]

GOOD MORNING. AS YOU WOULD ALSO RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE SWORN.

[• Nasr’s – 312 Bloomingdale Avenue, Federalsburg, MD – New, Class A – Beer, Wine & Liquor, 7-Day Off-Premise Sales Alcoholic Beverage License]

WE'LL. WE'LL DO THE OATH. IF YOU NEED ANOTHER CHAIR, JUST GRAB ONE AND SLIDE UP THE CHAIR.

AND ALL THREE OF YOU, RAISE YOUR HANDS. RAISE YOUR HAND.

DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? JUST DO YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

4952 CRESTON ROAD, THE FIRST QUARTER MILE. THANK YOU.

MOHAMMED, DO YOU LOVE. THREE TWO, TWO SIX GALLAGHER ROAD.

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GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'LL LET HER READ.

READ IN AND THEN. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING INTO THE RECORD, AND I'LL FOLLOW THAT WITH A LIST OF THE BOARD'S EXHIBITS.

SO NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT PURSUANT TO THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND, THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING BEGINNING AT 09:30 A.M.

ON JULY 23RD, 2025, RELATIVE TO THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION.

A REQUEST BY MUHAMMAD FAIZAN ULLAH FOR THE USE OF 501 MARYLAND AVENUE LLC, TRADING AS NASSER'S, TO BE LOCATED AT 312 BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE, WELLSBURG, MARYLAND, FOR A NEW CLASS A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR SEVEN DAY OFF PREMISE SALES.

ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE. ANY CITIZENS, ANY CITIZENS INTERESTED IN THE APPLICATION WERE INVITED TO ATTEND AND SUBMIT ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS TO THE BOARD PRIOR TO THE HEARING. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS.

THIS NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING WAS PUBLISHED IN THE TIMES RECORD ON JULY THE 9TH AND JULY THE 16TH OF 2025.

EXHIBITS ON FILE WITH THE BOARD. EXHIBIT ONE.

IT'S THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING THAT I JUST READ.

EXHIBIT TWO IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE.

EXHIBIT THREE IS THE SITE PLAN. EXHIBIT FOUR IS THE APPLICANT'S MEETING NOTICE.

EXHIBIT FIVE IS A MAP SHOWING NEARBY LICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE AREA.

AND EXHIBIT SIX IS THE STAFF REPORT. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE INTO READING THE STAFF REPORT? YES. AS WELL. OKAY. SO THE STAFF REPORT WILL INDICATE TO THE BOARD THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION.

IT IS COMPLETE WITH ALL REQUIRED SIGNATURES. A CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORDS CHECK WAS COMPLETED FOR THE APPLICANT.

THERE WAS NO HISTORY FOUND UNDER MARILYN OR FBI.

THE APPLICANT IS A RESIDENT OF THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AT LEAST 21 YEARS OF AGE.

ALL LLC DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED PENDING LEGAL SUFFICIENCY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE TIMES RECORD ON JULY THE 9TH AND JULY 16TH. WE HAVE A FEW OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THE BOARD WERE TO APPROVE THE LICENSE TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE THE ANNUAL LICENSE FEE. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOOD AND BEVERAGE PERMIT, COPY OF ALL ALCOHOL AWARENESS CERTIFICATIONS, WORKERS COMP INSURANCE SALES AND USE TAX LICENSE, BUSINESS LICENSE REGISTRATION WITH THE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO TAX AND TRADE BUREAU, AND THEN FOLLOWING. I KNOW THEY WERE DOING SOME RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING, SO WE WILL NEED THE APPROVAL FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE OCCUPANCY PERMIT FROM THE TOWN OF SALZBURG. I MEAN, THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT WAS BEFORE YOU LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024.

TO WHICH THE BOARD GRANTED APPROVAL. AND THEY WERE NOT AT A POINT.

THEY WERE READY FOR THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE. SO THEY DID SEEK SEVERAL APPROVAL EXTENSIONS OF THAT APPROVAL WHICH THE BOARD GRANTED.

BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE NOW PAST THAT LICENSE YEAR, AND WE'RE INTO THE NEW LICENSE YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1ST, WHICH WOULD NECESSITATE THE RE APPLICATION OF THE LICENSE.

SO THEY'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING SIR.

WE WERE HERE ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2024 MADE OUR PRESENTATION AND THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE GRANTING OF A LICENSE.

THE FITNESS OF THE SEAT NEXT TO ME AS THE INDIVIDUAL LICENSEE YOU MADE AFFIRMATIVE FINDINGS OF ALL SIX OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU ARE MANDATED TO MAKE.

AND WE WILL REVISIT SOME OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE SEPTEMBER HEARING. SO TO COMPLETE YOUR RECORD AGAIN TODAY.

LET ME FIRST CALL ON FAIZON. FAIZON STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD.

FAIZON, EULA AND FAIZON, PRIOR TO COMING INTO THE HEARING TODAY, I ASK YOU TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE THAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED HERE AND WHICH YOU SIGNED AND IS ALL THE

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EVERYTHING IS CORRECT. REMAINS CORRECT AS OF TODAY.

PAYSON, YOU HAVE WORKED IN OTHER LUA FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES THAT HAVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSES, CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND I BELIEVE THAT WHILE WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE TOWN OF FEDERALES, BERG AND CONTRACTORS AND TRYING TO GET THE OCCUPANCY PERMIT FOR 501 MARYLAND AVENUE AND THE NEW NAZARETH STORE. YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING IN AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE FACILITY IN BETHLEHEM.

CORRECT. THAT WAS FABULOUS. I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT.

AND YOU ARE TIPS TRAINED, SIR. AND YOUR CERTIFICATION IS CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND HOW MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE WORKING IN AND OUT OF BEVERAGE LICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS? 8 OR 9 NOW. OKAY. YEAH. ANY VIOLATIONS OF ANY KIND ATTRIBUTED TO YOU? NO, SIR. WITH REGARD TO THE NEW BUSINESS OF MASTERS ON BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE, AT 312 BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE. WILL ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE DEALING WITH THE SALE OF ALCOHOL AT THE TIPS TRAIN? YES, SIR. THERE IS A SITE PLAN WHICH WE HAVE FILED OF THE PROPERTY. LET ME JUST TRY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT THIS BUSINESS IS.

THIS IS A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH MOTOR FUEL SALES, CORRECT? GASOLINE SALES? YES, SIR. BUT YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE PREPARED FOODS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. MAINLY FOR TAKEOUT, ALTHOUGH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE WILL BE SOME TABLES THAT PEOPLE COULD EAT.

SOMETHING IN THE STORE AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT.

PREVIOUSLY THE [INAUDIBLE] FAMILY HAD A BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET.

CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND THAT WAS A CONVENIENCE STORE AND MOTOR FUEL SALES.

GAS STATION? CORRECT. YES, SIR. BUT THERE WAS NO ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE THERE? NO. DID YOU EVER WORK IN THAT STORE? NO. NO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET ME I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR FACE ON.

LET ME TURN TO OUR FLOOR FOR SOME QUESTIONS, IF I CAN, BUT I'LL TURN ON OVER TO YOU FIRST BEFORE DOING SO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH, I THINK I'D RATHER WAIT TO WAIT TILL THE END.

I AGREE WITH YOU. ALL RIGHT. OUR STATE. YOUR FULL NAME AND HOME ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MOHAMMAD. 3226 GALLAGHER ROAD, PRESTON. OR, IF YOU'RE NO STRANGER TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN FREDERICKSBURG, I BELIEVE FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS, YOU OPERATED A CONVENIENCE STORE AND GASOLINE OUTLET ACROSS BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE FROM THIS PROPOSED LOCATION. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND DURING THE TIME THAT YOU OWNED THAT BUSINESS, DID IT EVER HAVE AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE FOR A BEER AND LIKEWISE. NO. AND DURING THE TIME AND YOU WERE FREQUENTLY IN THE STORE ACTUALLY WORKING? CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND OVER A PERIOD OF 24, ALMOST 25 YEARS.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ABOUT REQUESTS FROM CUSTOMERS AS TO BEER AND WINE AS A SHELF ITEM IN THE STORE. AND PERHAPS YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT WHY YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT OR SHOULD GET IT.

YEAH. WHENEVER WE WORK, PEOPLE WALK IN A STORE WITH A GAS STATION, FOOD, AND THEY EXPECT TO SEE A BEER.

OH, YOU DON'T HAVE A BEER? NO, SIR. ESPECIALLY THE STRANGER OR COMING FROM OUR TOWNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT LOCAL KNEW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BEER AND THEY SOMETIMES THEY ASK.

THEY SAY, WELL, I WISH YOU GUYS HAVE A BEER HERE.

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SO WE SEND THEM TO NEXT DOOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME STUFF HERE.

SO ARIF YOU HAVE CLOSED THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENT AND EXCUSE ME, BUT THE THE BUSINESS WILL HAVE CONVENIENCE STORE ITEMS. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. WE'LL HAVE GASOLINE SALES OF FUEL SALES.

YES, SIR. AND IT WILL ALSO HAVE PREPARED FOODS.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IN THE LISTING BECAUSE OF THOSE POSITION OF THE GAS STATION, SMALLER LOCATION. WE DECIDED TO GO DOWN THE OTHER SIDE INSTEAD OF SPENDING MONEY ON A SAME OLD PLACE TO PUT A NEW TANK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MOVING THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET? THAT'S RIGHT. SO AND BASED UPON YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A PUBLIC DEMAND FOR BEER IN WHITE WINE, WHITE LIGHT WINE IN A ONE STOP SHOPPING SORT OF ENVIRONMENT, FUEL, CONVENIENCE STORE ITEMS AND DURING LUNCH TIME? THAT'S CORRECT. SIR. I FEEL LIKE THAT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD DEMAND FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE GAS COME FROM GETTING OFF TO WORK. STOP BY AND GET THE GAS FOR THEIR CAR.

GET THE COUPLE SLICE OF PIZZA, GET THE SANDWICH, AND THEN PICK UP A SIX PACK OF BEER LATER.

THE BOARD HAS A SITE PLAN WHICH SHOWS THE PARKING AREA TRAFFIC FLOW IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.

HAS THAT PLAN BEEN APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF FREDERICKSBURG? YES, SIR. PARKING IS ADEQUATE UNDER THE TOWN ORDINANCE, AND ACCESSES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

IN AND OUT OF BLOOMINGDALE. AFTERNOON. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. ULLAH. I WOULD CALL ON AS OUR NEXT WITNESS. PETE.

PETE, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN FOR THE RECORD? PETE PURDUM, 4952 PRESTON ROAD, FREDERICKSBURG, MARYLAND.

MOUTH. PETE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU USED TO WORK IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE THAT ERIC WAS JUST REFERRING TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE FROM THIS LOCATION.

CORRECT? YES, SIR. I WORKED IN A DELI PART, FIXING THE FOOD FROM 14 TO 17.

OKAY, SO A PERIOD OF APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS.

YES, SIR. DURING THAT TIME, DID YOU EVER HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH CUSTOMERS REGARDING THEIR REQUESTS FOR BEER IN LIFELINE? YES, SIR. WE DID. AND WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THOSE CONVERSATIONS REQUESTS BY CUSTOMERS OVER THE THREE YEAR PERIOD THAT YOU WERE THERE WAS A FREQUENT AND OCCURRED OFTEN.

YES, SIR. YOU WOULD HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T SELL BEER, THAT WOULD ASK FOR IT.

AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE LOCALS WOULD COMMENT ABOUT HOW IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO BUY BEER AND STUFF.

THERE, THERE. THEY'RE GETTING THEIR CIGARETTES, THEIR FOOD, EVERYTHING ELSE, AND IT WOULD REALLY MAKE IT A CONVENIENT ONE.

STOP. HEY, DUDE, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE AN AID TO PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION IF THE NEW STORE. THE NEW LOCATION OF NAZARETH IS AT 312 BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE.

HAD A BEER AND LIGHT WINE LICENSE. BASED UPON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND WORKING IN THE OLD LOCATION.

YES, SIR.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE OF THESE WITNESSES.

I OPENED ALL THREE OF THEM UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COURT.

THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HAS ANY.

I MEAN, HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE SEPTEMBER THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? YES. EVERYTHING IS COMPLETED EXCEPT THE FINAL OCCUPANCY PERMIT IN THE TOWN.

OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST WAITING IT DOWN. CHARLES BURKE TOWN ITSELF IS IN KIND OF LIMBO.

AND THEY ARE BUSY DOING THE OTHER STUFF, AND THEY DON'T.

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SAME. EVERYTHING IS THE SAME. OKAY? NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

THE STORE IS COMPLETE. I GOT A HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL.

FIRE MARSHAL APPROVAL? A LICENSE TO PREPARE THE FOOD FROM A HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

ELECTRIC WAS COMPLETED, AND PLUMBING WAS COMPLETED AND APPROVED.

SO, LAST THING WE NEED IS A FINAL PERMIT FROM A TOWN.

THIS IS THE THE BATHROOM. EXISTING BATHROOM WAS A WORD APPROVED FROM A TOWN OF FREDERICKSBURG, INSPECTOR. AND ALL THE PLANNING WAS APPROVED FROM THE TOWN OF HARRISBURG.

IN TWO YEARS AGO, THEY CHANGED THE RULES TO GET THE INSPECTION DONE FROM INSTEAD OF A MIDDLE DEPARTMENT FROM THE FIRST STATE. SO THE FINAL INSPECTION INSPECTOR CAME IN SAYS, BECAUSE YOUR BATHROOM IS NOT ADA, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU. AND ACTUALLY, HE DIDN'T SAY, HE SAID, WELL, WE NEED TO SUBMIT IT TO OUR TOWN.

SEE, TOWN WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER BECAUSE IT'S OLD EXISTING PERMIT.

SO THEY CAN ISSUE YOU EITHER A NEW PERMIT OR OCCUPANCY PERMIT OR WHATEVER IS.

SO WE'VE BEEN GOING TO A MEETING FOR THE LAST, I THINK THREE MEETING.

WE ATTENDED EVERY PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER WEEK OR WEEK.

AND ALWAYS THE ANSWER IS WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. AND FINALLY, WE'LL CALL THE INSPECTOR BACK AND SAY WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIX THIS.

AND CHANGES HE MADE IS MAKE THE DOOR ENTRY DOOR, NOT THE ENTRY TO THE BATHROOM DOOR OUTSIDE AND IT WILL INCREASE THE ADA LIMITS THAT WHATEVER IT IS REQUIRED. SO PROBABLY GOING TO START DOING THAT THIS WEEK.

TAKE THE WALLS DOWN AND REDO THE BATHROOMS TO PROVE THE FRAMING OF THE BATHROOM AND THE SIZE OF THE OPENING AND EVERYTHING.

BUT LET ME GO BACK AND A NEW INSPECTOR SAID NO.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS IN COMPLIANCE. WE TRIED TO GO THROUGH THE TOWN AND SAID, WE NEED TO TALK TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY, TOWN ATTORNEY. WE TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONERS, AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE INSPECTOR CAME BACK AND SAID, LISTEN, IF YOU JUST DO THIS, I'LL ISSUE THE OCCUPANCY PERMIT.

SO OUR OFFICE HAS AGREED TO THE CITY HALL. JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE A CHANGE.

AND WE THINK 60 DAYS WILL BE ADEQUATE NOW TO SECURE THE FINAL PERMIT AFTER YOUR APPROVAL OF THE LICENSE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. IT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK I MADE A BAD CHOICE BEFORE COVID COVID HIT.

FIRE MARSHAL CAME AND SAID NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REPAIR SHOP RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

THE GAS STATION WILL COME IN. YOU NEED TO DRAW THE WALL THROUGH THE ROOF.

SO FINALLY, WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT A YEAR OR SO TO GET THAT APPROVED.

SO IT'S BEEN NIGHTMARE FOR ME TO HAVING SUCH A CHANGE IN THE PROCESS.

YEAH. SO THE OTHER QUESTIONS ARE FACE ON. AND SO I MEAN, EVERYTHING YOUR BUSINESS AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO THE BUSINESS MODEL AND EVERYTHING AS WE TALKED BEFORE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME. THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S ALL GOING TO BE THE SAME. YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY QUESTIONS? NOT REALLY. I MEAN, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT IT WOULD JUST BE EASIER TO MAKE THE CHANGES TO THE BATHROOM TO MAKE THEM ADA COMPLIANT INSTEAD OF WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING FOR APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN.

IF YOU JUST GO AND MAKE THESE CHANGES, YOUR APPROVAL TO ME BECOMES AUTOMATIC.

ONCE FIRST IT'S FIRST DATE, CORRECT? THE FIRST DATE MAKES THE APPROVAL, RIGHT? THEY GIVE THAT TO THE TOWN, SAY WE APPROVE EVERYTHING, AND YOU SHOULD BE GETTING YOUR OCCUPANCY PERMIT.

YOU. AND YOU HAVE THE FIRE MARSHALL HAS. BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS LISTED, WAS THAT THE FIRE MARSHALS HAD NOT SIGNED OFF ON IT YET.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT, RIGHT? OKAY. SO THE PROBLEM HAPPENED IS THE INSPECTOR WOULDN'T TELL US TO GO AHEAD AND DO THESE CHANGES TO GET IT DONE. IF HE HAD TOLD US A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, WE WOULD HAVE HAD IT DONE OPENED UP.

BUT THEY SAY, WELL, OUR TOWN HAS TO DECIDE. AND WE WENT TO A TOWN.

FINALLY I SAID, LOOK, WE'RE FIGHTING WITH THE TOWN.

LET'S GO TO A INSPECTOR AGAIN AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE THIS TO MAKE A ADA.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME, BY THE WAY, A CONVENIENCE STORE AND A GAS STATION INSTEAD OF MARYLAND DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY BATHROOM FOR PUBLIC,

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THEY NEED TO EITHER DENY OR MAKE A CHANGE. THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT.

THEY JUST KIND OF HOLD IT ON TO IT. IS IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PREPARED FOOD, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU, THE TOWN OF FREDERICKSBURG IS NOT, NOT NOT IN ANYTHING FUN TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW? YEAH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUES.

AS EVERYBODY KNOWS. YES. I WAS THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING NEXT.

YOU'VE BEEN THERE, RIGHT? I WAS THERE THIS MORNING, TOO.

I LOOKED IN THE WINDOWS. OKAY. SO FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, IS THERE ANY CONTRAINDICATIONS? I KNOW WE GOT TO GO THROUGH OUR LIST, BUT JUST.

YEAH, THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS I HAVE, AND IT'S THE SAME ONES AS LAST TIME BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE THAT.

YEAH, IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME. I DON'T I FORGOT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WILL YOU HAVE? FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT WORK ONE DAY A WEEK OR TOTAL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO EMPLOYEES IN THE DELI, OKAY.

FROM START OPENING AND WANT TO CASHIER. OKAY.

AND YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TIPS TRAINED TO. THEY ARE GOING TO BE TIPS. OKAY.

YES. WILL YOU BE SHARING ANY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WITH ANY OF THE OTHER STORES? SOMETIME WE DO THE CASHIERS. IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T SHOW UP, CALL AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING, AND THEN I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE.

EITHER ME OR SOMEBODY ELSE IS AVAILABLE. OKAY.

THEY WILL GO TO THE OTHER STORE. UPSTAIRS, IS THAT ALL YOUR LICENSE PREMISE? YEAH. THEY MECHANICAL ROOMS. OKAY. SO NO ALCOHOL, BUT IT IS YOURS.

YEAH. IT'S MINE, BUT NO ALCOHOL. OKAY. YEAH. SO.

SO YOU'RE NOT REQUESTING THE SECOND FLOOR TO BE PART OF YOUR LICENSE PREMISE AREA? JUST THE FIRST FLOOR. FIRST FLOOR ONLY. AND THEN FROM THE GLASS WINDOWS, BACK WILL NOT BE YOURS.

THE GLASS WINDOWS STARTING TO THE GARAGE. YEAH.

THAT WILL NOT BE PART OF YOUR LICENSE PREMISE AREA.

CORRECT. THAT'S THE REPAIR SHOP. YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT.

SO JUST FROM THE GLASS WINDOWS UP. WE'RE JUST GOING TO ASK A WINDOW.

OKAY. AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL GAS PUMPS ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. CORRECT. YES. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN WE HAD A QUESTION LAST TIME ABOUT THE PICNIC TABLES AND OUTSIDE AREAS.

HE'S GOT THEM ON ALL. HE'S PLAYING. YEAH. THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN LAST TIME.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FELT ABOUT THAT SIGNAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK WE DID. I REMEMBER THAT. YEAH, IT WAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION.

BUT WHAT'S THE ISSUE THAT THEY DO? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT SIGNAGE BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN.

LAST TIME PEOPLE. YEAH. WE DID DISCUSS PUTTING SIGNS UP THAT THEY CAN'T WANDER AROUND WITH ANY LIQUOR.

THEY HAVE TO STAY IN THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH.

BECAUSE I THINK THE CONCERN LAST TIME WAS IF THEY WENT INSIDE, THEY BOUGHT THEIR FOOD, THEY BOUGHT THEIR BEER, AND THEN THEY WENT OUT AND SAT AT THE PICNIC TABLES OR THEY WERE THERE AT ANOTHER ESTABLISHMENT, ANOTHER ESTABLISHMENT, AND THEN COME BY YOUR PICNIC TABLES AND JUST DECIDE TO SIT DOWN AND.

YEAH. RIGHT. HAVE A PICNIC. BECAUSE AROUND WELLSBURG, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE ARE DRINKING ON THE BACK STEPS.

PICNIC TABLES, ANYTHING THAT CURBS THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THE ESTABLISHMENT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T SEE THAT. SO I'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH SEVERAL ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE AREA.

SO I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PICNIC TABLE OUTSIDE.

WE'RE NOT PLANNING IT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE PICNIC TABLES? NO, SIR. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'RE ON YOUR PLAN. IT WAS.

THAT WAS THE SAME PLAN. IT'S THE SAME IDEA. SO I THINK MR. ULLAH IS ASKING FOR. BUT I THINK WE HAD THE LICENSE PREMISE AREA TO INCLUDE THE BUILDING, THE FIRST FLOOR CONVENIENCE STORE AREA, NOT THE SECOND FLOOR STORAGE OR THE REPAIR SHOP AREA.

AND BECAUSE THIS IS AN OFF PREMISE LICENSE, NO ONE CAN OPEN A BEVERAGE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S FOUR ACRE, THREE AND A HALF ACRE.

SO I WOULD OPEN UP WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD YOUR APPROVAL, BE FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING ONLY FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE AREA TO NOT INCLUDE THE STORAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE REPAIR SHOP.

IS THERE? SHOULD WE GET THAT ON THE SITE? PLAN FOR YEARS LATER LIKE WE CAN HAVE.

WE CAN HAVE THAT MARKED BEFORE WE ISSUE THE LICENSE, AND IT'LL BE IN THE RECORD AS TO WHAT WAS APPROVED.

THAT, AND IF YOU DO CHANGE ANYTHING TO THOSE BATHROOMS, IT IS ONE OF OUR RULES.

IF YOU HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA CHANGING THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WE ARE NOTIFIED.

SO IF YOU END UP GOING DEEPER INTO THE BUSINESS, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED.

RIGHT. WELL, IT'S NOT GOING IN DEEPER. SEE, IT'S IF YOU WALK IN THE DOOR AND THEN YOU GO TOWARDS THE BATHROOM.

YEAH, IT TYPICALLY HAS TO BE WIDER LEFT. ONE DOOR IS ON THE RIGHT.

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE WANT TO GO INTO DELIBERATION, I THINK FOR YOU TO DO THAT ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT, IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO TESTIFY IN FAVOR AGAINST THE APPLICATION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE THERE IS, WE CAN VACATE THE TABLE IF ANYONE WANTS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD. YEAH. I'M GOOD. BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND THEY CAN STAY RIGHT THERE.

I'M JUST GOING TO ADD A COURTESY FOR MY COLLEAGUE HERE.

I JUST HAD SEVERAL MONTHS OLD. ACTUALLY, MR. THORNTON, I NEED YOU TO COME UP TO THE MIC SO THAT WE PICK YOU UP SO WE CAN HEAR YOU ON THE MIC.

OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. MY BROTHER AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO CONTACT MR. PARKER. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS I'VE READ THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING IN SEPTEMBER, AND I LISTENED HERE TODAY. AND THE ADVERTISEMENT SAYS A CLASS A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR LICENSE.

HOWEVER, ALL THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN. BEER LIKE WINE.

SO MY FIRST CONFUSION IS WHAT ARE THEY ASKING FOR? THEY ASKED IN SEPTEMBER FOR BEER AND WINE. MAY I ASK YOU TO STEP AWAY FROM THE MIX THAT PICKS YOU UP? ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I'LL SIT DOWN. HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY. SO THEY ASKED IN SEPTEMBER FOR BEER AND LIGHT WINE.

NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, WHICH BRINGS IN ANOTHER WHOLE TOPIC BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR STORE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

AND I HAVE MR. OR MR. PATEL, WHO OPERATES WESTAR WHISTLE AND OWNS THAT.

AS YOU KNOW, HE WAS HERE AND TESTIFIED AND HAD SOME CITIZENS TESTIFY AGAINST THE OPENING OF THE BAIT AND TACKLE SHOP, BREW NIX OR WHATEVER. ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO AGO.

AND PRESENTED A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, I THINK.

HE PRESENTED A PETITION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE IN YOUR FILES, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU'VE GOT THEM BACK.

AND THE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR MR. PARK ARE ONLY TWO.

AND THAT IS NUMBER ONE. IF THEY DID A BUSINESS PLAN, MR. PARKER. MR. PARKER, WILL YOU COME UP THAT WAY? IF IF THERE'S ANY BACK AND FORTH THAT'S ON YOUR RECORDING, HE CAN HAVE HIS CLIENT'S ANSWER.

THE FIRST THING IS, IF THEY DID ANY SORT OF BUSINESS PLAN.

AND WHAT IS THAT BUSINESS PLAN AS FAR AS THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES GOES? AND THE SAME QUESTION IN REGARD TO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, DID THEY DO A MARKET ANALYSIS? BECAUSE ONE OF THE CRITERIA, OF COURSE, IS IT NECESSARY FOR THE COMBINATION OF THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE I THINK THE CLERK THERE AT THE BEGINNING PUT IN THE LOCATIONS OF ALL THE OTHER STORES.

AND HELZBERG IS A SMALL TOWN, IF YOU WILL. 2800 PEOPLE IS WHAT WE REPORTED TWO MONTHS AGO.

AND THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS IT NECESSARY FOR ACCOMMODATION TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT JUST ASKING MR. PARKER IF HIS CLIENTS HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IF THEY COULD PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND WHILE A LOT OF FAMILY DID NOT FIND IT NECESSARY TO HIRE SOME BUSINESS CONSULTANT TO DO A FORMAL WRITTEN BUSINESS PLAN THEIR BUSINESS PLAN IS BASED UPON 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF OPERATING BUSINESSES WITHIN THE TOWN OF HILLSBORO, AS WELL AS BUSINESSES AND BETHLEHEM AND OTHER PARTS OF CAROLINE COUNTY.

AND IN PARTICULAR OPERATING A BUSINESS PRACTICALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED LOCATION.

AND DURING THAT 25 YEAR PERIOD, AS MR. LAW AND MR. PURDON HAVE TESTIFIED A NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS, EITHER CONVENIENCE STORE OR GAS STATION BUSINESS THAT DID NOT HAVE A BEER AND WINE LICENSE, FREQUENTLY ASKED.

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SO IN THE COURSE OF 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE BEEN COME TO THE CONCLUSION BASED UPON INTERACTION WITH CUSTOMERS, BOTH WHO LIVE IN FREDERICKSBURG AND LIVE IN OUTLYING AREAS IN CAROLINE COUNTY OR TRANSIENT PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLE FOR A ONE SPOT EFFICIENT SHOPPING EXPERIENCE AT A CONVENIENCE STORE AND PREPARED FOOD, GASOLINE, AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO BUY BEER AND WHITE WINE. THAT'S THE BUSINESS PLAN, AND THAT'S BASED UPON THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF THE OWNERS AND OPERATORS OF THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S NOW CLOSED AND MOVING TO THIS LOCATION.

IT'S PRETTY COOL. EXCUSE ME. I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE ANSWER. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND THAT WAS A MARKET ANALYSIS.

YOU KNOW, NOT NOT JUST THE POPULATION OF GETTYSBURG, BUT THE THE MOTOR TRAFFIC AND THINGS IN THE AREA. FOR THAT WANTED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND WASN'T IT WASN'T AVAILABLE AT THE NEW PLACE, BUT IT WAS AVAILABLE ACROSS THE STREET AT WHET YOUR WHISTLE.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A MARKET ANALYSIS OR LOCATION ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING, BUT.

I STAND BY THE STATEMENTS OF MY FIVE WITNESSES AND THE SUMMARY THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU.

KEEP IN MIND, BOB, BECAUSE HE'S NOT A FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD, IT'S THIS IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF FEDERAL SPUR ISSUING THE LICENSE JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF FEDERAL IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE PEOPLE IN OUTLYING AREAS TO THEIR CONVENIENCE SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO BETHLEHEM OR OR. FURTHER TO MAKE A ONE STOP VISIT FOR CONVENIENCE ITEMS IF YOU'RE IN LIFE. YEAH.

SO ANYWAY, SO BUT IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT A MARKET STUDY, AND SO THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE, THE 25 YEARS IN THAT BLOOMINGDALE AVENUE.

WITH THAT, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW THAT I, TISH PATEL IS HERE.

HE HASN'T BEEN SWORN IN, SO HE LIKES WHAT HE LIKES TO SPEAK.

HE'S WELCOME TO COME FORWARD. AND I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND COME FORWARD.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

7418 HIGHLAND COURT, HIGHLAND, MARYLAND. 20777.

THANK YOU. AND I JUST EXPLAINED YOU OPERATE WHET YOUR WHISTLE AND OPERATE WHICH ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENT. YEP. OKAY. ONE OF THE THE ISSUES IN LICENSING IS THE NOT ONLY THE FITNESS OF THE APPLICANT, BUT THE THE FINANCIAL ABILITY OF THE APPLICANT AND THE COMPETITION THAT MAY RESULT IN LOWER FINANCIAL ABILITY FOR FOR WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO. THAT'S WHAT MR. PATEL WANTS TO ADDRESS.

SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU TO TESTIFY AND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY TO THE BOARD.

THE REASON WHY IS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE TOO CLOSE TO ME.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ENTER THE, YOU KNOW, TOWN IN TOWN THERE IS A TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, PLUS IN THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE ALMOST THREE STORM BEHIND IT.

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THE WAY I DO, I HAVE A LICENSE. YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE SAME LICENSE, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY, I'M GOING TO BE DROPPED ON MY BUSINESS.

AND LAST TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO, AFTER COVID, I SPENT ALMOST $660,000 TO ESTABLISH MY BUILDING AS A BIGGER BEFORE A TWO SMALL BUILDING. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FACTOR.

SO I NEED TO PROTECT MYSELF RIGHT NOW. AND IT'S NOT TOO FAR TO CLOSE.

PEOPLE CAN BUY THE SANDWICHES. I DON'T DO THE SANDWICH, THOUGH. THEY DO? YES.

BUT THEY CAN GO OR THEY CAN BUY THE SIX PACKS.

YEAH. AND THE WAY I HAVE REPORTS FROM 2019 TO 2025.

INDIVIDUAL ACCESS I HAVE THE WAY I DROPPED MY GASOLINE BUSINESS.

AS SOON AS THE ENTER THE REAL FARM COMES MY CIGARETTE BUSINESS BECAUSE THE TWO NEW STORE COMES AND ARE IN THE TOWN.

LIQUOR BUSINESS I CAN SHOW YOU FROM THE LAST FIVE YEARS IS DROPPING BECAUSE COVID TIME IS ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY DID GOOD BUSINESS, YOU KNOW. BUT THEN AFTER IT'S DROPPING NOW NEW AD LICENSE THAT I CAME BEFORE LAST MONTH TO OPPOSE THAT ONE.

THIS IS MY REQUEST. NOW IF THEY HAPPEN, THEY GOT IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. THAT'S ALL.

GOOD. JUST TO CLARIFY, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A BEER AND ONE WINE GLASS AND NOT FOR.

THE ADVERTISING AND THE SO IT SHOULD BE FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.

I IT'S A FULL LICENSE. AS I SAY, I SAW THE LICENSE.

BEER, WINE AND BEER. WINE AND LIQUOR.

APPLICATION ON THE BOX WAS VERY WELL. WHAT CAN YOU.

YES, SIR. YEAH. CAN YOU PUT IT? CAN YOU PUT IT UP THERE? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT. IT'S BEER. IT'S THE GLASS.

A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR. SEVEN DAY OFF PREMISE.

YEAH. WE CHECKED THE BOX OF BEER IN, LIKE, ONE MINUTE.

DID THAT CHANGE FROM SEPTEMBER? OH, NO. NO, NO.

OKAY, THEN THAT'S A MISTAKE ON OUR PART. YEAH.

AND THAT'S KIND OF GOING OFF OF I WAS I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ASK, BUT THAT'S KIND OF GOING OFF OF WHAT HE SAID.

HE SAID GOING BACK. LOOKING AT OUR PAST RECORDS, IT WAS BEER AND WINE.

AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, NOW IT'S BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.

I WAS GOING TO ASK. WE HAD NOTHING SUPPOSEDLY HAD CHANGED.

SO IT'S JUST A CLERICAL ERROR, I GUESS. LOOKING AT THE BOX THAT WE COLORED IN THE CUPBOARD.

YES, IT DOES CLEARLY DEPICT ON THE OUTDOORS. IT DOES BEER AND LIGHT WINE.

YEAH. IT IS. BE IT A LIGHT ONE. YEAH. SO DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU HERE IS IF THEY BRANDED A BEER LIKE WINE BASIS.

BUT. THEY DON'T READ THE LIQUOR PART OF THE LICENSE.

HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR BUSINESS? WAS IT JUST BEER? WINE? AND IT'S ALL DONE. MOSTLY PEOPLE BUY THE BEERS.

YOU KNOW, MAJOR BUSINESS IS BEER. THEN AFTER LIQUOR AND THEN AFTER WINE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

ME. AND.

THAT IS THAT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

AND IT'S. YES. OKAY. EITHER. WHY WEREN'T YOU HERE LAST SEPTEMBER WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS? I DON'T GET ANY INFORMATION ON THEM. THAT'S ALL I WANT.

I MEAN, WAS IT JUST BECAUSE OF COINCIDENCE THAT YOU'RE HERE THIS TIME BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE WAS COMING UP? NO. BUT SO I ACTUALLY I TALKED TO THE OFFICER, TOO, BUT I'M TOO LATE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT. I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THIS.

THIS IS STILL A NEW APPLICATION. BUT IF THEY HAD GOTTEN ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW LAST YEAR AFTER WE APPROVED IT, YOU WOULD ALREADY BE IN COMPETITION WITH HIM.

SO THAT'S MY THING IS, YOU KNOW, I TALK TO THE MAYOR AND I TALK TO THE TOWN PEOPLE AND NOBODY'S.

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AND FINALLY, I FIND OUT FROM HERE AN OFFICER TOLD ME TO.

YES, THEY DO HAVE A LICENSE. I SAID, IT'S OKAY NOW.

I HAVE NO CHOICE BECAUSE I DON'T ATTEND AS SOON AS THE LAST MONTH.

YOU KNOW, I CAN APPLY FOR THE NEW LICENSE THAT.

THAT COMPANY, WHICH COMPANY? THAT. OH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BRUNET? AND I ATTEND. AND AT THAT TIME, THIS WAS ALREADY AN APPROVED LICENSE.

YES, YES, BUT I DON'T ATTEND THAT TIME AT ALL.

IF I KNOW, I CAN TRY TO ASK THEM YEAH. YES.

AT THE BLOOMINGDALE, IF YOU RIDE DOWN. YES. IS THERE YOU.

IS IT U5 IS DOWN THERE? ON SMITHVILLE ROAD. SO YOU WOULD JUST GET TO THE LITTLE Y INTERSECTION, YOU MAKE A LEFT AND IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A MILE DOWN THAT WAY.

OKAY. KATHERINE, COULD YOU PULL UP THE MAP ON THE EXHIBIT LIST? WINE, LIQUOR. HOW FAR IS THAT DOWN THE ROAD? YOU COULD SELL IT ROCK, BASICALLY.

WE'LL PULL THE MAP UP FOR YOU.

YEAH. IT SAYS MAP OF NEARBY LICENSE ESTABLISHMENTS.

YES. YOU KNOW WHERE THE LITTLE DUMP IS BEFORE YOU GET TO TRY GAS COMING FROM DENTON? YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER LOCATION.

U5 IS DOWN THERE. U5 AND LUCKY CORNER. I THOUGHT IT WAS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF CENTRAL.

IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THAT WOULD BE SUPER CENTERS RIGHT THERE.

SUPER SODA AND THEY SELL BEER, RIGHT? YES, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON THAT LIST? YEAH THEY'RE. HERE. SUPER, YEAH THIS IS THE MAIN ROAD THAT TAKES YOU DOWN HERE.

AND THEN U5 IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. CAN YOU POINT OUT THE LOCATION? SO IT WOULD BE IN THAT BLUE. THE BOUNDARY SHOWN ON THE MAP.

THE BLUE BOUNDARY IS A QUARTER MILE RADIUS AROUND A LICENSE ESTABLISHMENT.

THE INTERIOR LIGHTER COLORED BOUNDARY IS A 500 FOOT RADIUS.

THERE'S NO DISTANCE PROVISIONS IN THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS FOR ANY SETBACKS FROM ADJACENT LICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS, BUT THAT JUST WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF DISTANCES, WHETHER WITHIN 500 FOOT OR A QUARTER MILE.

AND WHAT'S IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS I DON'T EITHER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION? YEAH.

THANK YOU BOTH. YOU GOT ANYTHING? YEAH I JUST WANT TO SUMMARIZE AND SAY I BELIEVE WE'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.

THE PROPOSED BUSINESS AS A CONVENIENCE STORE, PREPARED FOOD ESTABLISHMENT FOR TAKEOUT OR POSSIBLY EVEN OF THE OWNERS AS BEING A FREQUENT REQUEST BY CUSTOMERS MAKES THIS UNIQUE AS FAR AS ITS SERVICES AND PRODUCT LINES FROM OTHER LICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE VICINITY.

AND I BELIEVE THAT ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN MAKE PHENOMENAL FINDINGS WITH REGARD TO THE SIX CRITERIA THAT YOU MUST MAKE IN ORDER TO APPROVE THIS LICENSE AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO SO.

STEP BACK, AND THEN THE APPLICANTS MAY MOVE BACK UP FRONT.

OH, YEAH YOU MAY SIT. YES. BEFORE WE GO IN DELIBERATION, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ELSE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD BEFORE WE GO INTO THE

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ALL RIGHT AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO INTO DELIBERATION SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY MORE COMMENT OR ANYTHING.

YOU GUYS ALL SET? YEAH. SO THIS IS FOR THE FACTORS OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL.

WHETHER TO APPROVE AN APPLICATION, THE BOARD SHALL CONSIDER.

NUMBER ONE IS THE PUBLIC NEED AND DESIRE FOR THE LICENSE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN QUESTIONED HERE TODAY.

YES WE HAVE TESTIMONY FROM THE LICENSEES THAT IN THE PAST THEY HAVE BEEN ASKED TO HAVE IT RIGHT.

AND WE HAVE. AND THEY PROVED THAT IN SEPTEMBER, DIDN'T THEY? CORRECT. YES. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.

THE REAL WHEN I SAY PUBLIC THE REAL OPPOSITION WE HAVE IS FROM OTHER LICENSE HOLDERS.

CORRECT AND THAT. SO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC.

SO OR I THINK THEY HAVE THE NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE NUMBER AND LOCATION OF THE EXISTING LICENSE HOLDERS. WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT.

FIVE OTHERS IN THE AREA. I EVEN THOUGH THE VFW IS LISTED AS ONE, I DON'T REALLY COUNT THE VFW BECAUSE THEY ARE A TOTAL DIFFERENT STYLE OF LICENSE HOLDER. YES, THAT'S AN ON PREMISE.

YEAH TESTIMONY. THE OTHER TWO ARE DOWNTOWN. THE U5 IS JUST OUTSIDE OF TOWN A LITTLE WAYS.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE U5. THEY DO OFFER FOOD, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY OFFER GASOLINE AT THE U5.

THAT SO. RIGHT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT, THEN? YEAH. THE POTENTIAL EFFECT ON EXISTING LICENSE HOLDERS OF THE LICENSE FOR WHICH THE APPLICATIONS MEAN.

AS WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES COMPETITIONS, BUT SOMETIMES COMPETITION IS BAD.

YEAH. THERE IS A POTENTIAL. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THERE.

AND FOR THE POTENTIAL COMMONALITY OR UNIQUENESS OF THE SERVICES AND PRODUCTS TO BE OFFERED BY THE BUSINESS OF THE APPLICANT.

I THINK WE'VE REACHED THAT BEFORE WITH HAVING AS A ONE STOP SHOP OF HAVING THE FUEL, HAVING THE GROCERY, THE PREPARED FOOD. THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. YEAH.

THAT'S THE COMMONALITY. UNIQUE IN THAT AREA YES. RIGHT. YEAH. NUMBER FIVE, THE IMPACT OF THE LICENSE FOR WHICH THE APPLICATION IS MADE ON THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND THE WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING ISSUES RELATED TO CRIME, TRAFFIC, PARKING, CONVENIENCE AND SUCH. WE'VE NOT HEARD ANY TESTIMONY SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ISSUE WITH IT.

THE FIRE MARSHAL, AS WE'RE BEING TOLD, HAS SIGNED OFF, BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE BUILDING AND THE USE OF THE BUILDING.

WE'VE HEARD THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SIGNED OFF ON THEM BEING ABLE TO PREPARE THE FOOD.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY TESTIMONY FROM THE TOWN OR THE TOWN POLICE SAYING THAT THEY'RE WORRIED THAT THIS BEING ISSUED WOULD CAUSE AN ISSUE FOR THE TOWN.

YEAH. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NUMBER SIX IS ANY OTHER FACTORS THE BOARD CONSIDERS NECESSARY.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT POPS UP. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING? NO JUST THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OFF PREMISE.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE COVER THE AREA THAT THERE WILL BE NO CONSUMING OF THE ALCOHOL ON THE PROPERTY.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT, SO THE BOARD SHALL DENY A LICENSE APPLICATION IF THE BOARD DETERMINES NUMBER ONE, THE GRANTING OF THE LICENSE IS NOT NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC.

CONSCIOUSNESS I DON'T HAVE ANY TESTIMONY NO. NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT IS NOT A FIT PERSON TO RECEIVE THE LICENSE.

I THINK WE'VE HAD ALL THE BACKGROUND CHECKS SEE THAT WE HAD A CLERICAL ERROR, BUT THAT WAS AN ERROR.

AN ERROR ISSUE WHICH WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. THE APPLICATION ACTUALLY WAS PUT IN THE CORRECT WAY.

APPLICANT IS ACTIVE FRAUDULENT IN CONNECTION WITH THE APPLICATION.

I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF SUCH A THING AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN BEFORE US.

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I DON'T HAVE ANY. I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S A YOU KNOW, IT'S OFF IT'S A COMMERCIAL AREA.

IT'S A PIECE OF THE RESIDENCE. YEAH, IT'S AN APPROVED BUSINESS FOR THE AREA AS FAR AS BEING THE CONVENIENCE STORE.

RIGHT. OKAY. JUST TELL HIM. DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL? I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO? YEAH. CAN WE TALK ABOUT IT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A MOOT ISSUE IF IT WASN'T FOR ALL THESE THINGS THAT WERE BEYOND THEIR CONTROL. RIGHT. I MEAN, THEY WOULD BE UP AND RUNNING, AND IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THEY'VE HAD THIS ADR ISSUES. WE APPROVED IT ONCE. I DON'T SEE A GREAT DEAL OF CHANGES.

YEAH. I MEAN, WE IT'S OUT OF THEIR CONTROL WITH THE INSPECTIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OTHERS THAT HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH GETTING EQUIPMENT IN A TIMELY MANNER.

YEAH. GETTING APPROVALS.

THEY MAY COME IN A LITTLE, RIGHT. WE KIND OF SAW THIS SAME THING HAPPEN IN RIDGELY.

YES WE DID. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF HOLD UPS AND SETBACKS AND THINGS BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT.

RIGHT. AND THEY FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THEY'LL GET TAKEN CARE OF IN THE MANNER THAT THEY NEED TO OPEN THIS TIME, OR I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE HERE SPENDING THE MONEY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

GOING INTO TIME WELL, I THINK WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO A 90-DAY APPROVAL TO GIVE THEM A 90-DAY APPROVAL.

IF YOU GO THAT ROUTE. IN MARYLAND IT'S JUST A BURDEN.

AND I'M OKAY IF WE. MAKE A MOTION SURE. WHY NOT? I THINK WE DO NEED TO INCLUDE.

WHAT. WELL, WE DO NEED TO CORRECT OUR SIDE OF THINGS WHERE IT SAYS BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR TO ONLY BE A BEER, WINE. AND BEER AND WINE. AND IT'S ONLY ON THAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE YES. IN THE ATTIC, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE SPACE I GOT YOU. I MOVED TO APPROVE 501 MARYLAND AVENUE TRADING AS NASR’S NEW CLASS A BEER AND WINE SEVEN DAY OFF PREMISE WITH ONLY BEING THE RETAIL STORE AREA OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

NOT TO INCLUDE ANY OF THE BACK AREA OF THE BUILDING THAT IS NOW CURRENTLY USED AS A REPAIR CENTER.

OR THE SECOND STORY THAT WILL BE USED FOR HEATING AND AIR AND POSSIBLY OTHER TYPE STORAGE.

ALSO NOT TO INCLUDE ANY OF THE OUTSIDE PREMISE AREA, NONE OF THE YARD OR ANYTHING.

THIS IS TO BE PURCHASED AND PUT IN YOUR VEHICLE AND CONSUMED AT YOUR HOME.

AND WITHIN A 90-DAY. AND WITH A 90-DAY APPROVAL FROM WHEN.

THAT ALSO HAS TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT ARE ON.

SOME OF THEM I KNOW HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, BUT ALL OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE STAFF TAKEN CARE OF. ONE OTHER QUESTION. LET'S SAY THEY CAN'T GET THIS THING DONE IN 90-DAYS.

THEY CAN REQUEST AN EXTENSION. THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. OKAY, I SECOND THAT MOTION.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS NEW LICENSE APPLICATION FOR 501 MARYLAND AVENUE LLC, TRADING AS NASR’S FOR CLASS A BEER AND WINE SEVEN DAY OFF PREMISE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SO MOVE.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU

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WE HAVE A. THIS IS A LICENSE TRANSFER. RIGHT?

[Transfer License]

ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

[• Tri-Me Warehouse – 11 Central Ave, Ridgely, MD – Transfer, Class A - Beer, Wine & Liquor, 7-Day Off-Premise Sales Alcoholic Beverage License]

DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR RECORD. [INAUDIBLE]. ADDRESS? 12779 OF THAT [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU, YOU MAY BE SEATED.

CRYSTAL ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND, CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:30 A.M.

ON JULY 23RD, 2025, RELATIVE TO THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION.

A REQUEST BY YUNG WU AND AMIT PATEL FOR THE USE OF [INAUDIBLE].

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY. WRIGLEY CORP.

TRADING AS TRI-ME WAREHOUSE LOCATED AT 11 CENTRAL AVENUE, RIDGELY, MARYLAND, FOR A TRANSFER OF A CLASS A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR SEVEN DAY OFF PREMISE SALES ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE.

ANY CITIZENS THAT WERE WISHING TO BE HEARD WERE INVITED TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND SUBMIT ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE HEARING.

WE HAVE RECEIVED NO WRITTEN COMMENTS AND THIS WAS PUBLISHED IN THE TIMES RECORD ON JULY 9TH AND JULY 16TH, 2025. 25. AND THAT NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN MARKED AS EXHIBIT ONE IN YOUR RECORD.

EXHIBIT TWO IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE.

EXHIBIT THREE IS THE SITE PLAN. EXHIBIT FOUR IS THE APPLICANT MEETING NOTICE TO MR. PATEL. EXHIBIT FIVE IS THE APPLICANT MEETING NOTICE TO MR. WU. EXHIBIT SIX IS THE HOLD NOTICE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE FOR SOME SALES TAX.

THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED WITH THE OUTGOING LICENSE HOLDER.

EXHIBIT SEVEN IS THE CONSENT FORM TO TRANSFER THAT IS SIGNED BY BOTH THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE CURRENT LICENSE HOLDERS.

AND EXHIBIT EIGHT IS THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE BOARD.

IN THAT STAFF REPORT, IT IS NOTED THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE WITH ALL REQUIRED SIGNATURES.

CRIMINAL RECORDS, BACKGROUND CHECKS WERE CONDUCTED FOR BOTH APPLICANTS AND SHOW NO ENTRIES UNDER MARYLAND STATUTE OR WERE FBI.

BOTH APPLICANTS ARE RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF MARYLAND ARE BOTH OVER THE AGE OF 21.

ALL CORPORATION DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED PENDING LEGAL SUFFICIENCY.

AND I WILL DEFER TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. HAMMACK.

IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ON THE CORPORATION DOCUMENTS? THE ONLY TWO ISSUES THAT I NOTED WERE THAT TRI-ME IS NOT IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE STAT, AND I DID JUST CONFIRM THAT AGAIN THIS MORNING BY CHECKING THE WEBSITE AND AT THE TRANSFER AGREEMENT. I DON'T THINK THIS REALLY IMPACTS YOU, THE TRANSFER OF LICENSES BETWEEN THEM.

THE AGREEMENT IS NOT NONE OF THE SIGNATURES OF INTEREST.

THERE ARE LINES FOR WITNESSES ON ALL THE SIGNATURES THAT ARE ON THE SIGNATURE.

OTHERWISE THE DOCUMENTS ARE OKAY 16TH OF 2025. IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IS A LIST OF SOME OUTSTANDING ITEMS. ITEMS THAT NORMALLY WOULD HAPPEN ONCE THE APPLICANT WERE TO RECEIVE THEIR APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.

YOU'LL SEE IN THERE THE ADVERTISEMENT FEE THAT HAS SINCE BEEN PAID SINCE THE STAFF REPORT WAS PREPARED.

AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD JUST HAVE THE TRANSFER FEE OF THE LICENSE SINCE THE ANNUAL LICENSE HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY AGAIN, IT'S JUST SIMPLY A TRANSFER FEE OF $75.

THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL COPIES OF THE ALCOHOL AWARENESS CERTIFICATIONS, WORKERS COMP INSURANCE SALES AND USE TAX LICENSE, BUSINESS LICENSE, PROOF OF REGISTRATION WITH THE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO TAX AND TRADE BUREAU.

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TAXES ARE NOW CURRENT WITH THEIR DEPARTMENT. AND THEN OF COURSE, UPON RECEIPT OF THE NEW LICENSE THEY WOULD TURN IN THE OLD LICENSE.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU THORNTON, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RECORD. ROBERT THORNTON JUNIOR AND I DO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR THE TRANSFER OF MR. WU, WHO I THINK YOU PROBABLY KNOW FROM MANY YEARS.

AND I WANT TO TELL WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE CHAPPELLE FAMILY.

IT IS LISTED IN RIDGELY. AND HE THEY BASICALLY MR. WU'S BUSINESS. TRI-ME, GROCERY TRI-ME WAREHOUSE HAS BEEN SOLD.

NO TRANSFER HAS BEEN MADE YET. STILL IN THE HANDS OF MR. WU. SO WHEN. THAT TRANSFER IS MADE. OF COURSE THEY WILL HAVE COME.

SURE. THE TITLE COMPANY IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THE CORPORATION BE IN GOOD BUSINESS OR BE LLC BE IN GOOD STANDING WITH WITH THE STATE DEPARTMENT, JUST LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THE SALES AND SALES TAX DISCREPANCY TAKEN CARE OF. AND MR. WU KNOWS ALL.

EVERYTHING. SO HE IS, OF COURSE, REMAINING AS A A STOCK OWNER IN THE BUSINESS.

AND HE ALSO IS GOING TO TAKE BACK A MORTGAGE FOR THE BUSINESS.

SO HE'S GOING TO GO FROM YOU KNOW, BEING FAMILY OWNER.

HE'S GOING TO SIT BACK AND TAKE THE TIME TO SIT BACK.

HE'S GOING TO TAKE HIS CHECKS EVERY MONTH ON THE MORTGAGE BECAUSE HE JUST WANTS TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS.

NO PARTICULAR REASON OTHER THAN THE FACT HE IS COOL [LAUGHTER].

I THINK I WAS TOLD THAT HIS COMMENT WAS THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO DIE IN THERE [LAUGHTER].

BUT HE'S BEEN 42 YEARS OPERATING IN I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HE'S HAD A LIQUOR LICENSE, BUT IT'S BEEN ON A DOZEN OR MORE YEARS.

AND THE BUSINESS ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

IN OTHER WORDS, MR. WU IS GOING TO REMAIN THERE.

AND HIS DAUGHTER, WHO LIVES RIGHT OR HAS THE HUSBAND BUSINESS NEXT DOOR.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO HELP OUT THIS AND WORK AT THESE THERE ARE TWO EMPLOYEES I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO BE KEPT.

ONE THAT THEY'RE BOTH I THINK TRAINED. RIGHT? 22 YEARS THERE MAY BE SOME SLIGHT IMPROVEMENTS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE ALCOHOL OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

SO, MR. WU YOU KNOW, HAS EXPERIENCED AHMET HAS BEEN BEING A MEMBER OF THE PATEL FAMILY HAS WORKED IN SOME OF THE PATEL ESTABLISHMENTS.

I THINK HE'S WORKED AT THE OLD FORCES MINI MART THERE.

AND HE MAY HAVE WORKED YEAH. YEAH. SO I'VE BEEN AT RICHARD. SO HE'S EXPERIENCED AND IN OPERATING THAT.

SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO. I THINK MR. WU. YOU WANT TO BE THE LEAD OFF AND JUST TELL THE BOARD WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. YES. I'VE BEEN IN [INAUDIBLE] THE 42 YEARS FOR THE BEST STORE, AND I WAS 28, AND NOW I'M 70. SO I LOVE THAT STORE, AND BUT NO MORE PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY AND SO LOOKING FOR HELP AND NEXT PERSON TO TAKE CARE OF THE STORE.

AND HERE COMES THE CANDIDATES.

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WITH AS LONG AS ANYTHING GOES WRONG IN YOUR BUSINESS. BUT I WOULDN'T MIND WHETHER IT'S A FINANCIAL ISSUE OR A VIOLATION OF REGULATIONS OR SOMETHING OF THAT.

YES. YOU'RE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS. ALL RIGHT.

YES. YEAH. I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, GENERALLY THAT YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT? WHY DON'T YOU TELL THEM HOW LONG YOU EXPECT TO WORK? IN OTHER WORDS, HOW MANY HOURS A DAY? HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK? DO YOU EXPECT 10 TO 12. TEN HOURS PER DAY? PER DAY? YEAH. HOW MANY DAYS? SEVEN DAYS. WOW. AND YOU'RE PREPARED FOR THAT? YEAH. THAT LONG HOURS? YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

YOU ALL HAVE. SO, MR. WU, YOU'RE, LIKE, SEMI-RETIRED.

I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY. YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUSINESS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON THE LIQUOR LICENSE.

YOU'RE YES ARE YOU PUTTING HIM ON THE LICENSE OR WHATEVER? I'M GONNA BE ON LICENSE. YOU'RE GONNA BE ON LICENSE IN 10% OF THE TIME OKAY. ON FINANCING FOR THE PART OF FOR INSTANCE.

SO IT'S STILL GOING TO BE INVOLVED AS LONG AS.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ISSUES WITH THIS ESTABLISHMENT? NO. I'VE I RECENTLY DID A PRE TRANSFER INSPECTION.

AND EVERYTHING'S GOING TO STAY THE SAME. THE BATHROOM, THE MECHANIC ROOM, THE BATHROOM, EVERYTHING BACK THERE BEHIND THE BUSINESS.

NO, I'VE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? TAX AND THE OTHER THINGS WITH THE STATE ALL HAVE TO BE OH, YES. OKAY, I ASSUME SO. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP IN CONVERSATION.

THE LAST DISTANT WAS WHEN THEY CHANGED THE ONLINE AND A FIVE OF IT THEN FOLLOW UP TO YOU WANT TO PAY NOW AND I THOUGHT USED TO BE JUST FILE THEY AUTOMATICALLY TAKEN FROM MY ACCOUNT BUT NOW THEY ASKING DO YOU WANT TO PAY NOW AND YOU HAVE TO GO NEXT PAGE.

AND THEN WHERE ARE YOU PAYING FROM THIS. NO QUESTION.

AND I'M NO GOOD WITH THE COMPUTER. WHEN I FILED IT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THERE SO AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE ME THAT IT'S LATE UNTIL SHE KNOWS SO I PAID. I KNOW A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THE STATE'S SYSTEMS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEY DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM.

THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY JUST CHANGED IT. SO WE WERE CONFUSED FOR A WHILE.

I WILL SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE. THE STATE'S WEBSITE IS ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT WEBSITES TO NAVIGATE I HAD EXPERIENCED MYSELF AND I ACTUALLY DURING THE LIKE THE BULK TRANSFER.

IS THAT PRETTY MUCH A SEAMLESS PROCESS, OR IS THERE A TIME WHERE THE ALCOHOL SALES WILL HAVE TO STOP AND THEN PICK BACK UP? NO. SO THE WAY THAT WORKS IS THEY'LL FOLLOW THEIR APPLICATION WITH THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, PROVIDE THE LIST OF INVENTORY TO WHO'S THE INCOMING, AND THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE WILL ISSUE THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT AND RELEASE THAT TO THE LIQUOR BOARD OFFICE. IT'LL BE MAILED DIRECTLY TO US WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO ISSUE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE LIQUOR LICENSE WHEN WE WOULD ISSUE.

SO IT'LL GET ISSUED TOGETHER. SO THERE'S NO DELAY.

THERE WILL BE A DATE. AND THAT'S WHERE TRANSFER THE DATE FOR IT WILL MATCH THE DATE OF THE LIQUOR LICENSE,

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OBVIOUSLY I'M DONE WITH THIS CASE IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANY CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS TRANSFER? ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK? OKAY. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION? NO. OKAY. UPON DOING THE APPLICATION, THERE'S THE FACTORS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHICH ARE FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL. WE'LL START THAT PROCESS NOW.

NUMBER ONE IS THE PUBLIC NEED AND DESIRE FOR THE LICENSE.

I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LICENSE ESTABLISHMENT THERE. I WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN HE.

WHEN HE GOT HIS ORIGINAL LICENSE. YEAH. SO HE'S BEEN THERE FOR, WHAT, 15 YEARS NOW? I THINK THAT ANSWERS THAT. AND THERE'S NO ONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC SAYING, LET'S NOT HAVE THIS HAPPEN.

SO I DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S A ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION.

THE NUMBER OF LOCATIONS AND EXISTING LICENSE HOLDERS NOT CHANGING.

WE'RE JUST BASICALLY CHANGING NAMES, JUST CHANGING NAMES.

AND THE POTENTIAL EFFECT ON EXISTING LICENSE HOLDERS OF THE LICENSE FOR WHICH THE APPLICATIONS MEAN SHOULD BE EFFECT.

I MEAN, I HONESTLY, THEY'RE BUYING UP MORE INVENTORY.

THEY'RE BUYING UP MORE PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOWN AND COMPETING WITH THEMSELVES [LAUGHTER].

YES. THE POTENTIAL COMMONALITY OR UNIQUENESS OF THE SERVICES AND PRODUCTS TO BE OFFERED BY THE BUSINESS OF THE APPLICANT.

AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT'S BEEN A UNIQUE BUSINESS FOR THE WHOLE TIME THAT IT'S HAD A LICENSE.

YEAH, CORRECT. I AGREE WITH THAT. THE IMPACT OF THE LICENSE FOR WHICH THE APPLICATION IS MADE ON THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING ISSUES RELATED TO CRIME, TRAFFIC, PARKING, CONVENIENCE AND SUCH AS TESTIMONY THAT NOT HAVE NOT HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. NUMBER SIX, THE OTHER FACTORS THAT THE BOARD CONSIDERS NECESSARY.

WELL, IT'S NOT THE BULK AREA OR ANYTHING WITHIN THE BUILDING. OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMETHING WITHIN THE BUILDING CHANGES, THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY US. SO I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE THERE.

THAT AND AS WE'VE STATED BEFORE, THE GETTING THE SALES TAX AND EVERYTHING CORRECT, THEY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT THINGS THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SUBMITTED IS FOR THE FIRST FLOOR INTERIOR OF YOUR STORE, CORRECT? FOR YOUR STORAGE OF ALCOHOL, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO DISPLAY IT AND STORE IT.

IT'S THE FIRST FLOOR. YES, YES. OF THERE NO BASEMENT, NO SECOND STORY.

EVERYTHING AS IT'S BEEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR ONLY OKAY SORRY. I'LL CUT YOU OFF COURSE [LAUGHTER]. ACTUALLY NO IT'S A GOOD THING THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE BOARD SHALL DENY A LICENSE APPLICATION IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT NUMBER ONE.

THE GRANTING OF THE LICENSE IS NOT NECESSARILY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. WE HAVE NO TESTIMONY.

WE HAVE NO TESTIMONY. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE. THE APPLICANT IS NOT A FIT PERSON TO RECEIVE THE LICENSE.

YOU'VE DONE THE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING'S COME BACK POSITIVE FALSE STATEMENT AND APPLICATION. WE HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT.

NO PROOF. THE APPLICANT IS ACTING FRAUDULENT IN THE CONNECTION WITH THE APPLICATION.

NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. I THINK SO. AND NUMBER FIVE, IF THE LICENSE IS ISSUED, THE OPERATION AUTHORIZED BY THE LICENSE WOULD UNDULY DISTURB THE PEACE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE LOCATION DESCRIBED IN THE APPLICATION, OR FOR OTHER REASONS, THAT THE BOARD NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE. IT'S GOING TO BE OPERATING THE SAME.

WE HAVE NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE THAT WOULD STATE SUCH A FACT WOULD HAPPEN SO.

OKAY ALL RIGHT JUST TIME TO MAKE A MOTION YES. ALL RIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE A TRANSFER FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR.

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CONDITION WOULD BE ANY OF THE ITEMS LISTED ON THE LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND IT SHOULD BE A TERM OF 90 DAYS? 90 DAYS YES.

AND ALL THOSE ITEMS YOU NEED TO GET STRAIGHT IN 90 DAYS.

IF NOT, YOU GOT TO COME BACK TO US. OKAY. THAT'S MY MOTION.

I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ACCEPT THIS TRANSFER OF LICENSE FROM. MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND FROM TRI-ME WAREHOUSE TO AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DON'T PRONOUNCE IT. IS IT GOING TO STILL BE UNDER TRI-ME WAREHOUSE? OR IS IT GOING UNDER THE [INAUDIBLE] ORIGINALLY COURT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE TRADING AS. CORRECT? THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OWNER. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OWNER. IT'S GOING TO BE STILL TRADING AS TRI-ME WAREHOUSE.

IT'S STILL GOING TO BE CALLED TRI-ME WAREHOUSE FOR BUSINESS.

YEAH. SO I MEAN IT'S STILL JUST THERE YOU'RE TRANSFERRING I THINK I SAW IT IN THE CONTRACT, BUT THE RIGHT TO OPERATE UNDER THAT NAME.

RIGHT? YES. SO IT'S TIME TO ANSWER. IT DOES THANK YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SO MOVED THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP YEAH [LAUGHTER]. THEY HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH CAM AS THEY WALK THIS MAN AND IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG. NEVERTHELESS, THEY ACTUALLY COME IN WITH AN OPEN ONE UP [LAUGHTER].

WHERE THE OLD ONE USED TO BE THERE BY THE BRIDGE JACKSON? SO. AND THE OTHER THING IS, THEY DON'T LOSE TO, LIKE, TOBACCO AND VAPE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, STORES.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE GOOD BUSINESSES, I GUESS, BUT AT LEAST FOR NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT BUSINESS WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR FESTIVAL PERMITS FOR RED LIGHT LIQUORS.

[Discussion Items]

DOES SHE NEED TO DO? DOES SHE NEED? NO, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION AND WE DOVE INTO THE TO THE REGULATIONS A LITTLE BIT AND BELIEVE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE. SO WE'VE THOUGHT LET'S START THE CONVERSATION NOW SO THAT WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEET WITH THE DELEGATION, USUALLY LATE SEPTEMBER, FIRST PART OF OCTOBER, IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATION BY THE LIQUOR BOARD TO SEEK A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE, WE CAN KIND OF HAVE THAT IRONED OUT BY SEPTEMBER.

AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO START THAT DISCUSSION AT THE JULY MEETING, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ROBIN TO GO OVER WHAT SHE'S INTERESTED IN.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS? INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY? THAT [LAUGHTER]. YOU TOO? SO LAST YEAR WE APPLIED FOR AND WERE APPROVED AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR FESTIVAL LICENSE.

SILLY ME. THOUGHT THAT MEANT WE COULD BE AT FESTIVALS.

BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU CAN ONLY BE AT A. SO THE LICENSE AS IT IS NOW IS ALL.

YOU CAN DO THIS AT ALL CONTIGUOUS COUNTIES. SO CAROLINE, DORCHESTER, QUEEN ANNE'S AND ALL OF IT.

YOU CAN VEND AT A FESTIVAL LIQUOR, WINE OR BEER FESTIVAL PUT ON BY A NONPROFIT.

THERE ARE NO LIQUOR, BEER, WINE FESTIVALS IN CAROLINE, QUEEN ANNE, TALBOT AND CHESTER COUNTY PUT ON BY NON-PROFITS.

AND THEY ALSO EXCLUDE NON-PROFITS THAT AREN'T FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

SO YOU CAN'T DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

IN THAT PERMIT IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO VEND AT A FARMER'S MARKET.

AND IT ACTUALLY SAYS THREE FARMER'S MARKETS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE MARYLAND STATE FARMER'S MARKET DIRECTORY.

[01:50:01]

WELL, IF YOU CONTACT A FARMER'S MARKET TO GET A BOOTH, THEY DON'T WANT YOU ONCE.

THEY WANT YOU FOR THE SEASON. BECAUSE THEY ADVERTISE THIS VENDOR IS HERE AND PEOPLE COME TO SEE THAT VENDOR AND OH, THEY COULD ONLY BE HERE LAST WEDNESDAY AND THEY CAN'T BE HERE AGAIN UNTIL THREE, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW. THAT'S A USELESS PART OF THE PERMIT.

SO WHEN I CALLED THE STATE, APPARENTLY THIS HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

BUT NOBODY CAN SAY WHY. OTHER THAN THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY COULD GET IT PASSED.

SO IN LOOKING THROUGH OTHER STATES, OTHER COUNTIES, IT SEEMS THAT ALL THE ONES I RAN ACROSS AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT EVERY STATE, BUT I PROBABLY SAW ABOUT 25 OF THEM. THEY ALL HAVE SOME SORT OF ONE DAY.

ONE, TWO AND THREE DAY FESTIVAL PERMITS. WE ACTUALLY PURPLE PEAK WAS GOING TO VEND AT AN EVENT IN D.C, AND WHEN I WAS LOOKING UP WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE WERE LICENSED TO BE THERE, I DISCOVERED YOU CAN GET A THREE DAY FESTIVAL PERMIT FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE IN D.C, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF D.C TO GET APPROVED FOR THIS TYPE OF LICENSE. I WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP SOME SORT OF A PERMIT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO VEND AT FESTIVALS. WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO BE AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TO SAY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.

I THINK IN THIS DAY AND AGE, WHAT I ALWAYS SAY.

SO DELAWARE HAS REALLY WEIRD RULES. CLOSE AT EIGHT ON SUNDAY.

CAN'T BE OPEN ON CHRISTMAS. CAN'T BE OPEN ON THANKSGIVING.

CAN'T BE OPEN ON EASTER. YAY. IT'S MORE BUSINESS FOR ME.

BUT YOU HAVE LEGAL WEED AND GAMBLING. COME ON! YOU'VE ALREADY CIRCUMVENTED THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS ABOUT MARIJUANA.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE? SEEMS TO BE VERY OLD, VERY STRINGENT RULES ABOUT ALCOHOL.

AND I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF IT. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHEN THEY GO TO A FESTIVAL, THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE A DRINK. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE THAT ABILITY TO ATTEND FESTIVALS ARE YOUR BREWERIES, WINERIES AND DISTILLERIES THAT ARE LICENSED AT THE STATE LEVEL AND HAVE A CARVE OUT WITHIN THAT LICENSE THAT LETS THEM ATTEND AND SELL A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EVENTS THEY CAN GO TO.

TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT. BUT THERE'S WINERY OR DISTILLERY TO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY AS A RETAIL STORE TO DO THAT AND I EVEN APPLIED FOR A LIQUOR CATERERS LICENSE.

I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY, TO HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT, INCLUDE THAT.

SO I CALLED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. DO I HAVE TO HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT IF I'M USING BAGGED ICE AND I MIGHT HAVE LIKE SLICED FRUIT? SO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HERE SAID NO. AND THEN THEY CALLED ME BACK AND SAID, WELL, SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ICE THAT'S POTENTIALLY CONTAMINATED, EVEN IF IT'S PURCHASED BAGS. YES. SO I CALLED THE STATE AND I TALKED TO A VERY NICE WOMAN AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, HEAD OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AT THE STATE, AND SHE MADE A RULING FOR THE STATE THAT LIQUOR CATERERS WHO ONLY USE BAGGED ICE AND SLICED FRUIT DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT. YAY! I SEND MY PERMIT OFF, I WAIT AND I WAIT AND I WAIT.

IT'S GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE EVENT WE REALLY WANT TO DO. SO I CALL AND I SAY, WHAT'S GOING ON? WELL, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN MEANING TO CALL YOU ABOUT THAT. WHERE'S YOUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT? THE STATE SAID I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT.

WELL, FOR YOUR FOOD, YOU DO. IT DIDN'T SAY I HAD TO SELL FOOD.

IT SAID IF I WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT.

OH, WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE A LIQUOR CATERERS LICENSE WITHOUT A FOOD CATERERS LICENSE.

I SAID, WELL, WHAT IF I TEAM UP WITH A FOOD TRUCK AND I ONLY DO EVENTS WHERE THERE IS FOOD? THEN I KNOW HOW MUCH FOOD THEY'RE SELLING. NO, YOU HAVE TO SELL THE FOOD AND THE LIQUOR.

WELL, THEN, IN YOUR PERMIT. WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THIS LICENSE IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE FOOD CATERERS LICENSE? IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. IT ACTUALLY JUST SAYS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FOOD.

SO IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE THE ONE THAT HAS THE FOOD SALES OR HOLDS THAT LICENSE SO IT DOESN'T READ CLEARLY.

I KNOW YOU HE HAD TO WIND UP SELLING HOT DOGS? YEAH. BECAUSE HE HAS THE ABILITY TO.

[01:55:04]

[• Festival Permits - Red Light Liquors]

SO IF HE WANTED TO CATER ALCOHOL AT THE 4-H PARK FOR AN EVENT, IT HAD TO INCLUDE FOOD AS WELL.

OKAY BUT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR OUR CLASS A'S OR RETAILS THAT OPTIONS ONLY FOR ON PREMISE LICENSE HOLDERS SUCH AS RESTAURANTS. GOTCHA. SO I HAVE TRIED THAT, AND I'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH CRYSTAL.

I'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE BOARD AND THEY SAID, GO TO YOUR LOCAL.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. GO TO YOUR LOCAL.

TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT AND SEE IF YOU GUYS CAN CRAFT LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN USE TO UPDATE THIS LEGISLATION.

SO HERE I AM. ANY OTHER COUNTY HAVE ANY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HELP? I BELIEVE ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY DOES. OKAY. I KNOW TALBOT DOES, BUT OF COURSE THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE BOOK THAT SAYS THEY'RE EXCLUDED FROM ALL THE LIQUOR LAWS SO. YOU NEVER HAVE BUT SOMEHOW THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT YES. BUT I GUESS THE OTHER THING WE PROBABLY MENTIONED.

IT WAS A LEGISLATOR. ARE WE LOOKING AT A LOCAL CAROLINE COUNTY AMENDMENT.

ARE YOU LOOKING AT A STATEWIDE? BECAUSE IF ANYTHING, CAROLINE COUNTY WOULD GRANT WOULD ONLY GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO DO FESTIVALS IN CAROLINE.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A STATE WIDE. AND I'M FINE WITH THAT RIGHT. OKAY. IF THE STATE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING AT THE STATE LEVEL, THEN THAT'S FINE.

AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THIS FESTIVAL PERMIT IT'S YOUR FOUR CONTIGUOUS COUNTIES BECAUSE THAT IT'S A POPULATION AND A MONEY THING, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY THAT LICENSE IS $1,000 A YEAR IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY.

I THINK IT'S LIKE $5,000 A YEAR. YOU CAN BEND ANYWHERE IN THE STATE.

YEAH. WITH THAT STATE LICENSE, THAT STATE FESTIVAL.

MY QUESTION, ROBIN, WAS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO GET IT THROUGH THE STATE, IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THE COUNTY.

AND I'M NOT AWARE OF A WHOLE LOT OF MUSIC FESTIVALS IN THE COUNTY, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ONE ON ONE.

SO WELL, YEAH [LAUGHTER], THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY, BUT.

I'M NOT LOOKING AT THIS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING FESTIVALS EVERY WEEKEND AT ALL ACROSS THE FOUR COUNTIES OR WHATEVER.

I JUST WANT THE ABILITY THAT IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE HAVING A WHATEVER TYPE OF GREENSBORO IS HAVING A MUSIC FESTIVAL OR FEDERALSBURG HAVE IN THERE WHATEVER KIND OF THING THEY HAVE.

CAN YOU GUYS SET UP A BOOTH SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS? YEAH. OKAY. WE CAN. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING MONEY TO PAY FOR BOOTH.

THEY CAN GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO GO INTO [INAUDIBLE] OR WHATEVER BUT, YEAH, THIS COUNTY, I MEAN. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT LOOKING TO DO IT NOW, THE STATE LICENSE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE FARMER'S MARKET LICENSE BE UPDATED AT THE STATE LEVEL TO ALLOW US TO BE AT A FARMER'S MARKET FOR THE WHOLE SEASON.

IT'S USELESS THAT THREE TIMES A YEAR I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. YOU KNOW? TO TRY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL THAT HAS TO CHANGE AT.

BUT THAT FARMER'S MARKET RULE IS THREE TIMES PER YEAR.

I MEAN, FARMER'S MARKETS ARE APRIL TILL NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.

SO. YEAH THAT WOULD BE A IN THE. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THAT CHANGED AT THE AT THE STATE LEVEL NO MATTER WHAT. BUT THE FESTIVAL THING, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT STARTED COUNTY AND IT WENT WELL, THEN YOU CAN START TALKING ABOUT BEING A STATE.

I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH TO TRY.

SO JUST WITH AN EXAMPLE THAT ROBIN MENTIONED, ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY HAS A BEER AND WINE FESTIVAL LICENSE.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, FESTIVAL IS DEFINED AS THE ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY BEER AND WINE FESTIVAL, THE BENSON HAMMOND HOUSE STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL, AND ANY OTHER FESTIVAL THAT THE BOARD APPROVES UNDER THIS SECTION.

SO THEY DO CARVE OUT TWO SPECIFIC AND THEN ANY OTHER THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE AS BEING A FESTIVAL.

AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO ISSUE A LICENSE TO A HOLDER OF A RETAIL LICENSE, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT ROBIN HAS A WINERY LICENSE. IT'S JUST THE TWO, EITHER A RETAIL OR A WINERY TO A NONPROFIT.

SEE, THAT EVEN GOES BACK TO NONPROFIT. OR IS IT A DOES IT ISN'T A AND OR.

I READ THIS. THE BOARD MAY ISSUE THE LICENSE TO A HOLDER OF A RETAIL LICENSE, A CLASS C-3 WINERY LICENSE,

[02:00:03]

SO I THINK THAT'S YEAH. AND THEN IT GETS INTO MORE LIMITATIONS THAT SAY THEY CAN DISPLAY AND SELL WINE AS LONG AS IT'S MANUFACTURED AND PROCESSED IN ANY STATE OR DISTRIBUTED IN THE STATE. A BEER THAT IS BREWED BY A BREWER THAT BREWS LESS THAN 60,000 BARRELS ANNUALLY.

SO THEY GOT A BUNCH OF. MORE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.

AND BUT IT DOES SAY THE LICENSE HOLDER CAN DISPLAY AND SELL BEER AND WINE AT A AT RETAIL FOR ON AND OFF PREMISE.

SO YOU COULD DO EITHER DURING THE HOURS OF THE FESTIVAL.

THEY CAN'T CHOOSE A WEEKEND WITHIN 14 DAYS OF THE MARYLAND WINE FESTIVAL IN CAROLINE COUNTY, SO IT GETS REALLY RESTRICTIVE IT'S PRETTY RESTRICTIVE THERE. BUT SO THERE ARE JURISDICTIONS THAT DO HAVE A SOME SORT OF FESTIVAL, WHETHER IT'S BEER, BEER, WINE OR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR FESTIVAL PERMIT THAT THEY CAN GRANT TO WHATEVER THEY'VE CHOSEN TO BE THE.

WHO CAN QUALIFY FOR THAT LICENSE. BUT AGAIN DOING THAT WOULD RESTRICT IT TO CAROLINE COUNTY.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD GIVE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS NONE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IF THERE WAS A FESTIVAL IN CAROLINE COUNTY.

I KNEW THAT WAS GOOD [LAUGHTER]. BUT WE CAN'T AND I THINK IT'S VERY UNFAIR AND I THINK IT'S THEY KEPT BRINGING UP THE COMMERCE CLAUSE WHEN I ATTENDED A VIRTUAL ATCC MEETING. AND I THINK IT ALMOST I THINK IT'S ALMOST AGAINST THE COMMERCE CLAUSE THAT THEY ALLOW WINE MANUFACTURERS, BEER MANUFACTURERS, LIQUOR MANUFACTURERS TO BE AT EVENTS AND NOT RETAIL STUFF.

LIKE WHAT? WHY IS THAT THERE? NO, THERE'S CERTAINLY NO BETTER AT DEALING WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN A SALES SORT OF THING THAT THAN PEOPLE THAT DO IT EVERY DAY 300 TIMES A DAY. I MY ONLY THOUGHT IS LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THE ONLY REASON WHY MAYBE THEY NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE BETTER.

THEY'RE PROBABLY SAYING THAT THEY WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE THEIR PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE MAKING.

I GUESS. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S A WHOLE COMMERCE.

THEY ALL THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE SOLICITORS PERMITS OR THEY HAVE TO BE A DIRECT FAMILY MEMBER OF THE BUSINESS OR THE.

RIGHT. LICENSEE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME IT'S UNFAIR.

YEAH. BALTIMORE COUNTY, THEY HAVE A BEER FESTIVAL LICENSE, AND THEN THEY HAVE A WINE FESTIVAL LICENSE.

I THINK MAYBE. AND THERE'S OUR THE BOARD CAN DESIGNATE NO MORE THAN TWO TIMES A CALENDAR YEAR FOR WHICH THEY CAN ISSUE A FESTIVAL LICENSE.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT GOES INTO A CLASS CAN BE ISSUED TO A CLASS 5.

BREWERY. CLASS 6 PUB BREWERY. CLASS 7 MICROBREWERY.

AND THAT'S IT. SO THOSE ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING WHAT YOU HAVE AS A STATE LICENSE AS A BREWER.

YEAH. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CARVE OUT FOR. MAYBE WASHINGTON COUNTY OR I THINK THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COUPLE COUNTIES THAT HAD SOME SORT OF ONE DAY CARVE OUT THINGS.

AND I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE THAT WAS A TWO DAY ONE IF YOU WERE DOING A TWO DAY THING. YEAH BOTH OF THE BALTIMORE COUNTIES ARE FESTIVAL PERMITS FOR BREWERIES OR WINERIES. AND THEN AGAIN, THEY BREAK IT DOWN INTO A WHOLE LOT MORE CARVE OUTS OF REQUIREMENTS.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT WICOMICO COUNTY DID, BUT THIS CAME UP WITH THEIR FOLK FESTIVAL.

WITH WHAT? BUT OFF TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT THAT TURNED INTO.

ACTUALLY, THAT WAS BALTIMORE CITY, NOT BALTIMORE COUNTY SORRY.

I KEEP FORGETTING BALTIMORE CITY AS ITS OWN LICENSE ENTITY OUTSIDE OF.

SO DO WE HAVE AN ENOUGH OF WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING THE PIECE BEING TOGETHER FOR CAROLINE? I CAN PULL TOGETHER EVERYTHING THAT ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT [LAUGHTER] ANY OF THEM.

THERE MAY BE 1 OR 2. WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

I MEAN, IF YOU GOT TO HAVE IT DONE IN SEPTEMBER? WELL, THAT'S NORMALLY WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEET WITH THE DELEGATION TO SAY, HERE IS WHAT WE'D LIKE SUPPORT ON IN TERMS OF LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AT THE STATE LEVEL.

SO WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOME IDEAS TOGETHER AT THAT TIME SO WE CAN LET THEM KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.

[02:05:14]

SO I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY YOU WANT TO BE ABLE, AS A RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER, ATTEND A FESTIVAL. ARE YOU LOOKING TO SELL OPEN BEVERAGES OR? BECAUSE I THINK THAT GETS INTO THE THING RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE YOUR LICENSE NOW IS TO ONLY SERVE WHERE I WOULD THINK IN A FESTIVAL YOU'RE LOOKING TO SELL OPEN CONTAINER SELL, YOU CAN GIVE AWAY SAMPLES, YOU CAN SELL MIXED DRINKS, OR YOU CAN SELL SEALED BOTTLES.

THAT'S WHAT THEY ALLOW YOU AT THOSE FESTIVALS.

I KNOW MOST OF THE FESTIVALS I'VE EVER BEEN TO.

YOU GO, YOU PAY FOR A TASTING, AND THEN THEY HOPE THAT YOU BUY A BOTTLE OF THEIR PRODUCT TO TAKE WITH YOU.

RIGHT. SO IT DOES HAVE A CLEARLY THING IN THERE THAT YOU CAN SELL MIXED DRINKS.

SO I DON'T. I'M WILLING TO GO WHATEVER ROUTE YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT SO WE CAN AT LEAST START WORKING ON GETTING SOMETHING IN PLACE. I WOULD THINK, ROBIN, JUST HISTORICALLY KNOWING, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, YOU NEED THE SUPPORT OF THE ATCC, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WOULD BE WITH YOU HOLDING A RETAIL LICENSE, HOW WOULD THIS WORK IN TERMS OF RECORD KEEPING? WHEN IT COMES TO OR AT WHAT WERE HOW DO I KEEP MY RECORDS FOR MY STORE AND THE SALES THAT RUN THROUGH THERE, AND YOUR DELIVERY PART AND THEN SEPARATING OUT WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SELLING AT A FESTIVAL? THE FESTIVAL LICENSE ACTUALLY PERMITS YOU TO PURCHASE THROUGH YOUR STORE.

YOU CAN USE YOUR STORE YOU ACTUALLY. WELL, WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO IS WE WOULD FORM A DBA AS PART OF ALL THIS. AND THEN THE DBA WOULD PURCHASE THE LIQUOR.

SO WE WOULD HAVE SEPARATE RECEIPT FOR WHAT WE TOOK TO THE EVENT.

AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO REPORT THE SALES TAX.

AND ALSO WE WOULD HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THAT.

AND WE'RE WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I MEAN, IN TERMS OF WINE, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO KEEP THAT AND SAVE IT FOR A FUTURE FESTIVAL.

BUT LIQUOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN A BOTTLE OF LIQUOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOUR? SO IT ALLOWS YOU ON THAT FESTIVAL PERMIT ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP THE LIQUOR STORED.

WE HAVE AN OFFSITE STORAGE PERMIT ALREADY AT THE STATE LEVEL.

THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE WASTE. SO WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT, RATHER THAN OPEN A BIG BOTTLE TO POUR OUT OF THAT, WE WOULD USE MINIS. YEAH.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A RUM AND COKE, HERE'S THE BACARDI MINI.

HERE'S THE COKE HERE YOU GO. RATHER THAN HAVE BOTTLES OPEN AND HAVE THAT WASTE.

ONLY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO GET YOU INTO IT WOULDN'T BE REGULATED NOW THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND I TALK TO THEM ABOUT ALL THIS.

AND THEY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY TOLD US THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO, BUT OUR THOUGHT WAS.

TO WOULD ALLOW US TO BE MUCH MORE CONSISTENT SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY. AND I DON'T THINK YOU'D LIKE RATE THE PERMIT THIS WAY.

BUT WHEN WE TALK TO THE STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL AND THEY WANTED US TO DO WINE AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE REALLY NICE IF WE COULD DO DRINKS. AND OUR THOUGHT WAS, IF WE STARTED DOING STUFF LIKE THAT, WE WOULD OFFER, LIKE, LET'S USE THE STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL AS AN EXAMPLE, A STRAWBERRY CRUSH, MAYBE A STRAWBERRY WINE, MAYBE A STRAWBERRY DAIQUIRI, AND THEN A WHITE WINE AND 1 IN 1.

SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO BE MIXING. A FULL ON BAR.

HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU POLICE DEPARTMENTS I THINK MOST OF THEM YOU HAVE TO STAY ON THE ON THE FESTIVAL GROUNDS.

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LIKE AT THE EASTERN BEER FEST. YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE PREMISE WITH YOUR BEER.

WHAT WE WOULD DO WOULD BE HAVE A TENT OR A. YOU KNOW? A BOUNDARY THING. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO STAY.

THAT'S WHAT YEAH WELL, AT THE STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE. WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE IN FOR DECADES DID BEER. THEY ACTUALLY HAD THEY HAD TO HAVE A RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD THINK THAT MOST FESTIVALS WOULD GO ON.

WELL, NOW I'M CURIOUS HOW OCEAN CITY JUST DID ALL THEIRS.

THEY HAD THE MUSIC FESTIVAL OUT THERE, OCEANS CALLING AND ALL THAT.

YEAH. BUT OCEAN. CHRISTINE DOWN THE OCEAN CITY'S THAT. YEAH. SO IT ALREADY ALL FALLS INTO THAT.

SO HOW DO WE WRAP THIS? I THINK THERE'S DO YOU HAVE ANY? [LAUGHTER]. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS.

YEAH. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO BE PUT INTO IT YET, YOU KNOW.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED STAFF TO.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN THE AUGUST MEETING. ROBIN, IF THEY APPROVED IT, LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOUR PLAN? I MEAN, I THINK OF LIKE ONE FARMER'S OR FARMER'S MARKET THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN OPEN, LIKE THE ONE TOWARDS GETTYSBURG.

WELL, I MEAN THE STATE ISSUED LICENSE. I MEAN, WITHIN THE COUNTY, FESTIVAL. I'M SORRY. I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT DOING RANDOM EVENTS LIKE HERITAGE DAY IN FEDERALSBURG.

YEAH, THE IT MAY BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF AN EVENT. AN EVENT.

OKAY. YEAH. SOME SORT OF ORGANIZED. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD GET SHIRTS, MAYBE CAROLINE COUNTY BEER AND WINE TASTING OR NOT WAS THAT OR WHEN I'M WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE GOT THE JUICE? YOU GOT THE SQUEEZE. IS THIS WORTH THE SQUEEZE? IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THERE'S GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THIS BY SEEING WHAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE AND THEN DECIDED IF WE WANT TO DO IT HERE. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE A SLINKY.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT PURPLE PEAK HAS VENDED ALL OVER THE STATE, AND WE AS PURPLE PEAK VENDED AT OTHER FESTIVALS THAT HAD BEER, WINE, ALCOHOL. AND WE'VE RARELY SEEN ANY KIND OF A PROBLEM BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THOSE, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO GET DRUNK THERE. BUT THEY HAD BEER, WINE AND ALCOHOL.

WHO WAS IT BEING SERVED BY? WAS IT BEING SERVED BY LIKE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR WAS IT BEING YEAH, I WAS. YES. IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL RETAIL STORE.

YEARS AGO WE SAW ONE THAT WAS A RETAIL THING AND THAT WAS IN.

WHAT'S THE BIG AGRICULTURAL CENTER TOWARDS WESTERN MARYLAND? QUAD STATE BEER FEST. AND THEY HAD A QUAD STATE PICKLE FEST AND WE SAW A VENDOR AT THAT.

SO WE'VE BEEN AT A COUPLE OF QUAD STATE ONES.

NO, IT'S NOT FEDERALSBURG, BUT IT'S UP ABOVE THERE.

AND IT'S A BIG AGRICULTURAL CENTER. AND THEY HAVE A SOME SORT OF EVENT ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND THERE HAVE BEEN RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS WITH A SET UP WHERE THEY'RE SELLING.

SO IF SOMETHING LIKE A BEER FEST WERE TO COME TO LIKE CAROLINE COUNTY, SO PEOPLE FROM TALBOT OR WICOMICO WOULD BUY A CAROLINE COUNTY LICENSE. RIGHT? WELL, FOR THAT EVENT, IF ORGANIZE A BEER FESTIVAL, AND PRESUMABLY THEY'RE GOING TO INVITE BREWERIES, DISTRIBUTORS TO COME, YOU KNOW, SET UP FOR THAT EVENT. BUT THEY'RE UNDER THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO GET A LICENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT UNDER THEIR CURRENT STATE LICENSE.

BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE LIKE A RED LIGHT IN QUEEN ANNE'S

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AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I THINK IF IT'S CAROLINE SPEAKERS]. WE HAVE TO LET THE LOCAL BOARD KNOW YOU'RE DOING A FESTIVAL.

FOR THE TWO WHERE DO YOU GET IT? OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS YOU NEED TO KIND OF DO SOME HOMEWORK ON IT, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.

OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO AT THIS. NO, I DIDN'T THINK ANY DECISION WAS GOING TO BE MADE. WE'LL GET THAT TOGETHER SPEAKERS] BEFORE THE MEETING AND SEND IT OUT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME.

YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IN THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND SEND IT TO YOU.

GUYS. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO BE THE RESEARCHERS.

YEAH. WE CAN PUT TOGETHER WHAT THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE IN TERMS OF FESTIVAL LICENSES TO SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

AND SO WHAT? SO FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET PORTION, WOULD THAT BE A MATTER OF GOING, ASKING YOU GUYS TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO DO THAT? OR WOULD I GO TO THE COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A AN ASK FOR STATEWIDE CHANGE BECAUSE THAT IS A STATE LICENSE.

OKAY. SO I JUST GO TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND ASK THEM THEY'LL TELL YOU TO TALK TO US [LAUGHTER]. BECAUSE THIS BOARD WOULDN'T BE ISSUING THAT LICENSE IT WOULD BE ISSUED BY A STATE SO THE STATE YEAH, MAYBE THE STATE COULD JUST DO A CARVE OUT FOR THAT FARMER'S MARKET PORTION OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

SURE. NO PROBLEM. HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU.

MOVING ON. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR REPORT.

I DON'T HAVE ONE SINCE GENEVA'S NOT HERE. I HAVE A SHORT AND SWEET. HOW ABOUT THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT? I'VE BEEN VERY BUSY DOING CODES ENFORCEMENT,

[Inspector’s Report]

WE DID HAVE THE AMERICAN LEGION. THEY DID TURN IN A BOTTLE OF ALCOHOL THAT THEY WERE GIVEN BY A DISTRIBUTOR.

BUT THEY WERE THEY WERE UP FRONT WITH IT. THEY CALLED ME AND TOLD ME, HE SAID, HEY, WE GOT THIS BOTTLE OF LIQUOR.

WE TOLD THEM ABOUT IT. THEY WOULDN'T TAKE IT BACK.

THE WAY I SEE IT, IT WAS A BRIBE. DESCRIBED BY ATCC THAT IS A BRIBE.

NOW, THE ATCC DIDN'T WANT THAT LOW QUANTITY OF A COMPLAINT, SO THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT.

BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY ONE BOTTLE? RIGHT. SO I APPRECIATE THE AMERICAN LEGION DOING WHAT THEY DID AND BEING UP FRONT AND.

SO HOW DID IT TASTE? IT IS IN EVIDENCE FOR 30 DAYS AFTER THIS HEARING [LAUGHTER].

FOR DESTRUCTION. YEAH JUST CODES, ENFORCEMENT THAT'S ALL WE GOT.

OKAY. WE'RE ANTICIPATING STACY TO BE BACK AUGUST THE 11TH.

SO WE CAN GIVE TREY BACK TO YOU [LAUGHTER]. SHUCKS.

YEAH! WE WON. WE GOT TO DECIDE THAT BY KEEPING IT EASY ON YOU GUYS.

I DID REACH OUT TO TREY. I WAS AT THE VFW FREDERICKSBURG BIKE FEST.

I DID HAVE TO GO TO THEIR ADMINISTRATION MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THE BEER GOING OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTAINMENT AREA. AND I DID REACH OUT TO TREY AND LET HIM KNOW THAT.

WAS THAT OFF THE PROPERTY? NO, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE BIKE PARKING WAS GOING ALL THE WAY OUT THE LANE, AND THEY WERE ON GOLF CARTS AND THEY WERE GOING OUT WITH GOLF CARTS WITH.

RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY GETS NARROW. THAT'S WHERE AND THEN ANYTHING BEHIND IT. AND I DID ASK THEM.

I SAID, YOU GUYS DO REALIZE I'M ON LIQUOR BOARD FOR CAROLINE COUNTY, AND I SEE YOU DOING VIOLATIONS AT THIS POINT [LAUGHTER].

I SAID, SO, YOU KNOW, I SAID, I WILL NOT CALL TREY AND TELL HIM TO SHOW UP AT THIS EVENT, BUT IF HE SHOWS UP.

I'VE ALREADY SEEN IT. SO TYPICALLY IN EVENTS OR THE FAIR THINGS LIKE THAT, WHEN I KNOW THE EVENT IS LARGE, I DO, YOU KNOW, USE MY DISCRETION. HEY, YOU KNOW? SO ONE THING'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANOTHER. SO I KIND OF TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

THE VFW HAS THEY'VE BEEN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP.

AND THEY DEFINITELY HAVE MY ATTENTION. THROUGH ALL THEIR EVENTS, AND THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES.

I DO WEIGH THE FACT OF WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT I ALSO WEIGH THE LEVEL OF THE INFRACTION, TOO. SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT I WOULD BE AT THE VFW MORE TO SEE WHAT THEY DO.

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YES. AND I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING BACK AND GET THEIR MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS UP.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW IN ANOTHER GENERATION OF INCOMING MEMBERS THAT THE VFW ACTIVITIES LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE SLOTS AND THE DANCES AND THE DINNERS. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING CORNHOLE, THEY'RE DOING MOVIE NIGHTS.

THEY'RE DOING OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE FAMILY ORIENTED.

SO THAT ATMOSPHERE HAS CHANGED. AND I THINK IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LIQUOR RULES ARE.

THEY SEEMED VERY DEDICATED WHEN THEY WERE. YEAH, THEY'VE DONE A WHOLE NEW BONFIRE THING RENOVATION INTO THE BUILDING. THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK THERE AND TRYING TO INCREASE THEIR MEMBERSHIP AND BRING PEOPLE IN, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE STAYING WITHIN THEIR PARAMETERS OF THE LIQUOR LAWS.

LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY OFTEN, I TRY TO KEEP EVERYWHERE THE SAME.

YOU KNOW, IF I RIGHT YOU FOR THIS VIOLATION, I WRITE THEM FOR THIS VIOLATION IF IT'S A STANCE.

AND LIKE I SAID, I DO WEIGH ALL THOSE THINGS, SO.

OKAY. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYBODY? MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 23RD, 2025. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED?

[Adjournment]