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WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN THIS MEETING AT LOOKS LIKE JUST SHY AT SIX O'CLOCK.I WANT TO WELCOME YOU TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING.
I'M KAREN HARDY, AND THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
WITH ME IS OUR NEW BZA ATTORNEY, JESSE HAMMOCK.
ALONGSIDE OF HIM IS MATT KOZINSKI, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, AND OF COURSE, KATHERINE MCCULLEY, WHO IS OUR BOARD ADMINISTRATOR, AND WE HAVE BEN BUTLER, THE VICE CHAIR.
WE HAVE ERIC SMITH, A MEMBER, AND OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, LAUREN COLLINS.
IT IS THE DUTY OF THIS BOARD TO HEAR AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR APPLICATIONS MADE FOR VARIANCES, SPECIAL USE EXEMPTIONS AND APPEALS.
FIRST, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR CASE AFTER TAKING THE OATH.
THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE PROPONENTS, WHICH I DON'T SEE ANY, FOLLOWED BY OPPONENTS. AGAIN, I DON'T SEE ANY.
AFTER THE OATH HAS BEEN TAKEN, AND YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS HAS BEEN STATED FOR THE RECORD.
ONCE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN HEARD AND QUESTIONS ANSWERED, THE APPLICANT MAY DELIVER A CLOSING STATEMENT BEFORE THE BOARD BEGINS DELIBERATION.
DURING THIS TIME, NO ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE MAY SPEAK UNLESS THE BOARD NEEDS CLARIFICATION.
WE MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO REACH A DECISION THE NIGHT OF THE TESTIMONY IS HEARD.
HOWEVER, SOMETIMES IT IS NOT POSSIBLE, AND A CONTINUANCE MIGHT BE GRANTED.
YOU WANT TO READ THAT IN FIRST OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DO MY PART?
>> YOU CAN DO THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
>> I'LL DO THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THE STUFF.
I'M JUST GOING TO READ WHAT THE APPLICATION IS.
THE APPLICATION NUMBER IS 250024, AND IT'S A REQUEST BY BARRY G CHURCH FOR A VARIANCE TO ADD A 20 BY 16 BEDROOM TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK AS DEFINED IN SECTION 17892.
SAID PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 13644 GREENSBORO ROAD IN GREENSBORO, MARYLAND, AND IS FURTHER DESCRIBED AS TAX MAP 14 GRID 24 PARCEL 102 AND IS OWNED BY BARRY G CHURCH.
>> WITH THAT, I'LL READ IN THE EXHIBITS.
EXHIBIT 1 IS THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING AND THE TIMES RECORD ON SEPTEMBER 3RD AND SEPTEMBER 10TH.
EXHIBIT 2 IS THE STAFF REPORT.
EXHIBIT 3 IS THE VARIANCE APPLICATION.
EXHIBIT 6 IS A PERMIT DENIAL LETTER.
EXHIBIT 7 IS A MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION COMMENT LETTER.
EXHIBIT 8 IS THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ASSESSMENT TAXATION, REAL PROPERTY DATA SHEET AND TAX MAP.
EXHIBIT 9 IS A AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL.
EXHIBIT 10 IS AN AREA OF THE SUBJECT AND SURROUNDING PARCELS.
EXHIBIT 11 IS A JOINING PROPERTY OWNER AFFIDAVIT.
EXHIBIT 12 IS A SIGNED POSTING AFFIDAVIT, AND EXHIBIT 13 IS THE APPLICANT NOTICE.
>> WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO READ THE STAFF REVIEW INFORMATION, PLEASE?
>> YES. THE APPLICANT, MR. CHURCH, BARRY CHURCH, HE'S REQUESTED A VARIANCE FOR ENCROACHMENT OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR A PROPOSED ADDITION TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON TAX MAP 14 GRID 24, PARCEL 102, ALSO KNOWN AS 13644 GREENSBORO ROAD.
THE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A 16 BY 20 BEDROOM AND BATHROOM ADDITION.
WHILE REVIEWING THE APPLICATION, STAFF DETERMINED THE ADDITION WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
THE APPLICANT WAS INFORMED THAT A VARIANCE APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED ADDITION PRIOR TO THE DEPARTMENT ISSUING A ZONING CERTIFICATE OR BUILDING PERMIT.
THE ORIGINAL PARCEL WAS PART OF A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS RECORDED IN 1950, WHICH WAS PRIOR TO THE COUNTY ADOPTING ZONING REGULATIONS, WHICH WAS OCTOBER 1 OF 1967.
IT WAS THEN MODIFIED TO ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION BY A PLAT THAT WAS RECORDED IN 1986.
SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE LOT IS NO CONFORMING.
IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE R1 ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS LOT, IN PARTICULAR, IS JUST UNDER 17,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CHALLENGE TO MEET SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
EXISTING HOUSE CONSTRUCTED IN 1944, I CURRENTLY MEETS THE MINIMUM YARD SETBACKS.
THE ADDITION, THE 16 BY 20, THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO PLACES FOR IT TO GO OFF THE FRONT OR OFF THE RIGHT SIDE.
THERE ARE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FROM THE SEWAGE RESERVE AREA.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S RIGHT UP TO THE HOUSE NOW, AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS A REALLY, THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY COULD BUILD IT WHEN THEY ESTABLISHED THE SRA.
THE SRA WAS REQUIRED WHEN THEY DID THE LOT LINE AND REVISION AND ADDITION PLOT IN THE 80S.
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BASICALLY, WITH THE WAY THAT THE LOT WAS LAID OUT AT A VERY MINIMUM AMOUNT OF SPACE TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE HOUSE AND STILL COMPLY WITH THE ZONING SETBACK.WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM, IF NOT, WE CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR OF MR. CHURCH.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WELL, THEN, IF I COULD ASK YOU, MR. CHURCH, TO PLEASE.
>> NO, I THINK I DID HEAR YOU SAID 44.
>> THOUGHT YOU SAID THE HOUSE IS BUILT 1944.
>> CORRECTING FOR THE RECORD, I HEARD THE SAME THING.
>> THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
BUT BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO DO ME A FAVOR AND TAKE THE OATH.
BEFORE YOU DO THAT, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU THE OATH.
>> MY NAME IS BARRY G. CHURCH AND THE ADDRESS IS 13644 GREENSBORO ROAD. [INAUDIBLE]
>> DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PERFECT. NOW, YOU CAN PROCEED.
WE'RE WILLING TO LISTEN IF YOU WANT TO USE OUR BULLETIN BOARD AND GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO.
>> MY HOUSE. I CAN'T BUILD [INAUDIBLE] TWO PROCAINE TANKS, AC HEAT IT HEATS THE HOUSE.
IT'S LIKE A MINIS CONTRAST THAT RUNS THE HOUSE HEAT [INAUDIBLE]
>> CATHERINE, CAN YOU PULL UP THAT?
>> I MIGHT NOT BE IN THERE BECAUSE OF COUNT STUCK MY ROOF THERE 2022.
>> I WAS LIKE THE DRAWING ONE?
>> IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER.
>> THE SITE THEY DID TWO THINGS [INAUDIBLE]
I GUESS THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE GOT AND IT'S FOR US.
>> I'D HAVE YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THAT IF.
>>I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE RECEIVED.
>> IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN STAND UP AT POINT IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO US A LITTLE BIT.
>> I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
>> THIS IS I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU UPSET FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
FRONT OF THE HOUSES WE PROBABLY ON PUT IT ON THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UPDATED YET.
THERE'S A AC COMPRESSOR THAT RUNS THE HEAT AND AC TO THE HOUSE.
I'LL CHECK THAT A LOT OF MONEY.
I'M ON WORKING 37- 40 HOURS A WEEK DOWN.
I KNOW AT THE TIME DOWN THERE BEFORE I WORK. I THINK SLOWED DOWN.
>> GOT YOU, AND YOU'RE DOING A BEDROOM BATHROOM COMBINATION.
>> BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT THE HOUSE ONLY HAS ONE.
DO YOU HAVE ONE BATHROOM IN YOUR HOME CURRENTLY OR IF ONE BATHROOM?
>> [INAUDIBLE] NURSES AND BABIES.
>> DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THE PAPERWORK THAT YOU SUBMITTED? I DON'T SEE THAT YOU BROUGHT ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU.
BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME WE ASK FOR JUST FOR THE RECORD TO KIND OF REVIEW AND GO OVER THE CERTAIN THINGS, BUT WE, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
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>> YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR HOW LONG?
>> YOU WERE YOU WERE THE BUILDER.
YOU WERE THE ONE THAT HAD IT BUILT.
>> USUALLY, WE GET THE APPLICANT TO READ, LIKE THEIR APPLICATION, JUST SO WE HAVE IT, THE COUNTY HAS IT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT TO RECORD IT SO.
>> I MEAN, ONE OF US CAN JUST IF YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH WHAT YOU SAID, YOU CAN I I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE A COPY OF IT PRINTED?
IF YOU WANT TO READ THROUGH, BASICALLY, I THINK IT'S PAGE 2.
THREE AND YEAH, TWO BASICALLY PAGES 2 AND 3 WOULD BE GOOD.
IF YOU CAN READ THAT'S PAGE TWO AND PAGE THREE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT WAY WE HAVE IT ON THE RECORD.
I CAN'T BUILD WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
I CAN'T BUILD IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSES.
[INAUDIBLE] I PURCHASED IN JULY 1994.
I PUT ADDITION WILL NOT AFFECT MY NEIGHBORS AT ALL.
I WENT DOWN TO F. ADDITION WILL BE IN THE SMALL MASSAGE, YOU CAN HAVE A BEDROOM.
ON THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, CAN'T AFFORD TO BIG YOUR HOUSE CAN'T AFFORD TO GO UP OVER CHECK THE OFFICE REAL HIGH AND I WORK MAYBE 40 HOURS A WEEK AND NOT BECAUSE WE'RE SO FAR AHEAD.
YESTERDAY WAS ON WEDNESDAY, WORK ON ON MONDAY.
>> I THINK THE REST OF IT IS IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, SO THAT'S FINE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] FORTY HOURS A WEEK.
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO NOW, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING FURTHER, WE CAN AT LEAST MAYBE ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND DO SOME BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD BEFORE WE DELIBERATE, THAT'S FINE, AS WELL.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. CHURCH?
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ERIC?
>> WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT JUMPS INTO MY HEAD RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE IS, WELL, NOT EVEN A QUESTION, MORE OF A STATEMENT.
I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR YOU THAT A VARIANCE IS IT'S SUBJECT TO HARDSHIP.
YOU HAVE TO PROVE HARDSHIP, AND VARIANCES ARE HARDER TO GET, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST HANDED OUT JUST BECAUSE.
WHEN WE SAY THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO AFFORD RELIEF, IT'S NOT, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I WANT, SO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT.
WHAT'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT? AS IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE? YOU'RE ENCROACHING 16 FEET.
UP INTO A MAJOR ROAD, WHETHER THE STATE HIGHWAY THINKS THAT'S A PROBLEM OR NOT, I THINK IT IS.
THAT'S JUST MY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT IF THEY HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROAD, AND THEN IF YOU'RE APPROVED, THEN ALL THOSE LITTLE RANCHERS IN A ROW ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO DO THE SAME THING, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE ENCROACHMENT UP AGAINST THAT ROAD.
BECAUSE YOU SAY I CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD TO MOVE OR THAT'S NOT HARDSHIP.
HARDSHIP IS I CAN'T USE MY PROPERTY. WHAT I MEAN? YOU CAN USE YOUR PROPERTY. THIS IS WHAT YOU BUILD.
I'M JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH WHEN IT COMES TO THE LAW.
THAT'S JUST MY INTERPRETATION.
I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN AND FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN.
TO GIVE HIM SOME MORE FEEDBACK.
AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE, TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, MAYBE.
>> THAT'S YOU'RE KIND OF HONE IN ON SEE MY LINE OF THINKING, THE MINIMUM YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOR A BEDROOM IS 70 SQUARE FEET.
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>> THAT'S MINIMUM THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE.
>> BUT I KNOW WE'RE NOT DELIBERATE YET, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY NEGOTIATE.
>> WELL, NO, I MEAN, JUST DISCUSS.
WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND GETTING HIM TO GIVE US HIS FEEDBACK, AND WE'RE GIVING HIM SOME FEEDBACK.
WE'RE NOT DELIBERATING YET. JUST ASKING QUESTIONS AND SEEING WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE, IF THERE ARE ANYMORE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR?
>> NO. I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS ERIC WITH THE MINIMUM AND BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU COULD BUILD IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT THERE'S UTILITY THERE'S THINGS IN THE WAY.
WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS ON RIGHT HAND SIDE.
BUT THOSE THINGS COULD BE MOVED.
THERE'S COSTS INVOLVED WITH THAT TOO.
>> I'M JUST SPIT BALL THINGS OUT HERE, THOUGH.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BUILD TO THE LEFT SIDE, YOU CAN'T BUILD TO THE BACK.
>> WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A CONUNDRUM BEING IN THAT SMALL LOT SITUATION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT THE LOT ALLOWS.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT MAKES SENSE.
I'M SURPRISED THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO GO UP.
BECAUSE GOING OUT WITH A FOUNDATION IS ALWAYS MORE EXPENSIVE.
MY HUSBAND'S A BUILDER. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE STANDARD.
>> NO, YOU GOT TO RAISE A ROOF FROM ME.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE ROOF PARKING, BUT GOING OUT, THE FOUNDATION COULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING FROM THE GROUND UP, DIFFERENT.
>> NOW, WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED, AND THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT, I THINK THIS MAY BE MORE FOR MATT.
THIS SEPTIC RESERVE THAT WAS WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE AT THAT TIME, CORRECT? NOTHING CHANGED SINCE THEN.
>> LIKE I SAID, THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION HAPPENED IN THE '50S.
>> BUT WHEN THE CONFIGURATION THAT SAID NOW, THE PLOT THAT WAS RECORDED IN '86, IT WAS REQUIRED TO BE ESTABLISHED AT THAT TIME.
OBVIOUSLY, IT TOOK UP A MAJORITY OF THE PARCEL, THERE'S REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF BUILDING.
>> WHAT I'M GETTING IS THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AT THE TIME MR. CHURCH PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND BUILT THE HOUSE, CORRECT?
>> YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOME PROPANE TANKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> THEY'RE BURIED IN THE GROUND OR THE.
>> THE FREE-STANDING ONES. THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT THE OUTDOOR COMPRESSOR FOR HPHC.
>> RIGHT. [INAUDIBLE] FOUR YEARS.
>> IF YOU GOT MORE QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD.
>> NO. I WAS JUST [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAY.
IF YOU BUILD OVER THE DRIVEWAY, HE'S LOSING MORE PARKING SPACE.
>> THAT'S WHERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST IT'S THE OBVIOUS.
I MEAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING HERE KIND OF LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
>> HOW DO YOU FEEL? WE'RE ALL OVER HERE TALKING LIKE HOW DO YOU FEEL? [LAUGHTER]
>> I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I GUESS IT WOULD BE SORT OF A HASSLE TO MOVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
BUT IN TERMS OF, LIKE, KAREN SAID, FUTURE, IF THEY WE ALL KNOW, EVERYTHING IS EXPANDING AND GETTING BIGGER.
ROADS ARE WIDENING, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
>> THE WAY YOUR DRIVEWAY SITS NOW, HOW MANY CARS CAN YOU PARK IN IT JUST LIKE PULLING IN?
>> WELL, I MEAN, [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS HOW I FEEL, AND I'M TRYING NOT TO NEGOTIATE.
>> LET'S JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING, I MEAN, DO ANY OF US HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?
>> IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
THE CONFIGURATION OF THE HOUSE.
WHERE IS THE CURRENT BATHROOM LOCATED IN THE HOUSE? REAR LEFT, REAR RIGHT.
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>> I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. YOU GO.
>>OKAY. SO PLUMBING AND KITCHENS IN THE FRONT IS AND THE BATHROOM IS BACK IN THE REAR ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE, CORRECT?
>> OKAY. STRAIGHT BACK DOOR. OKAY.
>> ARE YOU OKAY? PROBLEMS. I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT.
>> YEAH. I'M GOING TO JUST OUT THERE.
YOU GUYS ROLL WITH BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS OPEN SPOT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, AND I'M LOOKING OUT FOR YOU WHEN I SAY THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME MONEY IN RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
WE COULD TABLE IT. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT THE ADDITION WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.
BECAUSE I DON'T IF WE VOTE ON IT, AND IF IT GETS TURNED DOWN, YOU CAN'T COME BACK FOR A YEAR, RIGHT?
>> I'M NOT SURE. IS THAT WHAT IT IS MATTER OR IS IT SIX MONTHS?
>> BUT THEN WE DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO SAY I DON'T BE IF WE GO INTO DELIBERATION.
>> IT BECOMES OUT BEING A DENIAL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO.
I HATE TO SEE YOU LOSE YOUR MONEY WHEN I'M LOOKING AT A SPOT.
I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE UP 1.5 CAR LENGTHS OF PARKING.
BUT IT'S JUST I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.
THAT'S JUST ME. BECAUSE I KNOW MONEY'S TIGHT RIGHT NOW. I A LOT OF PEOPLE.
>> I'M RIGHT DOWN ON WITH YOU MAN, I MEAN.[OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY, MR. CHURCH, IS, RATHER THAN US GIVING YOU A NO, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY LEAN AND YOU THEN HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR.
WE DON'T WANT THAT. UNLESS, OF COURSE, YOU KEPT IT WITHIN THE SETBACKS, RIGHT, MATT? HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT IF IT'S SETBACKS.
>> SO THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE IF YOU DID IT WITHIN THE SETBACKS, BUT YOU HAVE SOME ISSUES NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE TO REVISIT THIS IF YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR SURVEYOR AND SAID, HEY, IF WE DID IT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WE BUMPED IT BACK A LITTLE, THEN MAYBE I'LL GET MORE LEVERAGE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING IT OUT SO FAR? AND THEN WE SEE YOU'RE MAKING AN EFFORT TO MAKE IT MORE MINIMALLY INVASIVE INTO THAT SETBACK.
SO YOU'D BE MAKING SOME CONCESSIONS, WHICH THEN ALLOWS US TO KIND OF REVIEW IT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE KNOW.
LIKE, RIGHT NOW, 20 BY 16, THAT'S NOT AN AVERAGE ROOM, AND IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO COME INTO VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, IN MY OPINION. COMPLETELY.
>> WHERE ARE WE HAVE A LOT COVERAGE RIGHT NOW? MATT?
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE CRITICAL AREA, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
>> SO WOULD THAT BE MORE APPEALING TO YOU FOR US TO TABLE THIS, GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY GO BACK.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DETER YOU, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER RESULT FOR YOU BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I THINK I PERSONALLY CAN'T SAY YES TO THIS.
>> IF YOU COULD I CAN'T NEGOTIATE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE YOU HAVE TO THE RIGHT OF YOUR HOUSE, IF YOU'RE FACING IT, YOU HAVE SOME.
>> YOU HAVE SOME AREA IN THAT DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU COULD BUMP IT BACK AND DIP INTO THAT DRIVEWAY MORE AND KEEP THAT THING FROM BEING SO FAR ENCROACHING INTO THE SETBACK.
AND THEN A VARIANCE WOULD BE LIKE, WELL, YOU'VE MADE SOME CONCESSIONS.
YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I WANT, AND THIS IS WHERE I WANT IT, AND LET'S ALL GO HOME AND LET'S GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT.
BECAUSE THE ZONING, IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS.
SO IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU'D BE BETTER OFF CONSIDERING MOVING IT TO THAT GARAGE AREA, THEN WE CAN JUST TABLE IT, LET YOU GO BACK AND HAVE THEM RECONFIGURE.
AND MATT CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT FOR YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME POINTERS.
WE CAN'T, DIRECT YOU OR SAY WHAT WE WILL OR WON'T APPROVE,
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BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU'D HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET WHAT YOU WANT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO UP OR NOT HAVING IT AT ALL AND WAITING ANOTHER YEAR.>> I COULD BE WRONG WITH THIS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT IF YOU CAME OFF THAT RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU COULD PUT 16 BY 20 THERE AND YOU MEET ALL THE SETBACKS.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WAS.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, AND THERE IS A CHANCE THAT, DEPENDING ON WHERE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THAT YOU HAVE TO RETROFIT, MOVE YOUR TANK AND WHATEVER AND MOVE THE AC UNIT, IF YOU COULD PUT IT IN THERE, YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN GET INTO THAT, AND YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED TO COME BACK HERE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
>> AS FAR AS SETBACKS, I'LL SAY THAT. WE CAN'T SAY.
>> WE KIND OF YOU HAVE TO KIND OF USE YOUR SURVEYOR, AND THEY HAVE TO KIND OF DETERMINE BASED ON SETBACKS AND SUCH.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIDELINE SETBACKS ARE, MATT, CAN YOU?
>> TEN FEET. AND YOU'RE 29 FEET NOW, IT SAYS.
SO IF YOU CAME OUT 16, HOW COME.
WHAT IS THAT I STILL LEAVES YOU ABOUT 13 FEET, GIVE OR TAKE.
>> YEAH. IF YOU LOOKED AT THE RIGHT CORNER OF YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU WENT OUT 16 FEET.
>> THEN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET THE WIDTH YOU WANT.
AND THEN GOING BACK, YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH ROOM BETWEEN THE SRA, THE SRA IS BACK FAR ENOUGH THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE IS 27 FOOT DEEP.
AND IF YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO GO 20, YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO HIT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS FROM THE SRA.
>> TEN FEET, SO I THINK YOU'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.
>> BUT YOU KNOW WHERE THE WELL? I'M SORRY.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE WELL THIS IS ON WELL WATER, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, IT'S ON THE FRONT CORNER.
IT'S IN THE FRONT RIGHT CORNER.
SO YOU'D PROBABLY BE OKAY WITH THAT CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME FLOOR SETBACK[OVERLAPPING].
BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR GETTING WHAT YOU NEED WITHOUT US SAYING NO TO YOU.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE WAY [INAUDIBLE] THAT WAY.
>> I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M GOING TO ASK MATT.
SO SAY HE DID COME STRAIGHT OFF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU HAVE TO BE.
NOW, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COULD GRANT A VARIANCE TO THAT SETBACK.
BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A SIDE DOOR ENTRANCE ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE MIGHT LIMIT HOW THEY CAN.
>> YEAH, BUT YOU GOT A FRONT DOOR AND A BACK DOOR.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, SACRIFICING A DOOR, IS THAT AN ISSUE, DO YOU THINK?
>> BUT THAT'S WHERE IT COULD FALL INTO BIGGER THAN THE BEDROOM SQUARE FOOTAGE.
LIKE, HEY, I NEEDED TO GET IT.
YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH.
AND LIKE, WE'RE NEGOTIATING BUT.
>> WELL, I MEAN, I'M JUST WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS I'M NOT HERE TO GIVE YOU ADVICE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T WEIGH IN ON THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHERE WE SIT TONIGHT, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPROVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF WHAT WE SEE.
SO WE'RE SAYING IF YOU DON'T MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE US SAY NO, THEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO COME BACK.
IF YOU DO HAVE TO ENCROACH A LITTLE WITH THE VARIANCE, OR IF THERE'S SOME PARTICULARS THAT NEED TO BE REVISITED, WE COULD TABLE IT, MEANING WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU A YES, WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU A NO.
IN CASE YOU DID HAVE TO COME BACK IN. AND THAT WOULD BE FINE.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPAY THE FEE, RIGHT?
>> SO YOU DON'T. SO THAT WOULD BE A NON ISSUE.
SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO RESUBMIT WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD SAY, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO DO, JUST SAY, YES, LET'S TABLE IT.
WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN THEN AFTER WE'RE DONE.
YOU CAN CHAT WITH MATT AND MAYBE SET UP A MEETING TO GO IN AND SIT WITH HIM.
>> IF WE TABLE IT, IS THERE A LENGTH OF TIME, WE HAVE TO TABLE IT TOO, AND I THINK WE GO THROUGH THIS, OR NOT?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S I MEAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO FORCE AT YOU IN TWO MONTHS IF YOU HAVEN'T FINALIZED THINGS.
CAUSE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FIGURE THINGS OUT IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE TO COME BACK.
IT'S JUST ONCE YOU GET YOUR SURVEYOR INVOLVED AND MATT INVOLVED, AND YOU GET SOME THINGS COMPILED.
IT STILL COULD TAKE YOU A MONTH OR TWO TO GET ON HERE IF YOU DO HAVE TO COME BACK, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE A FEE OR NONE OF THAT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST BET,
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BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT A WHOLE YEAR IF WE SAY NO.WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD YOU UP, IS MY POINT.
>> WE ALSO DON'T NEED TO ADVERTISE.
>> IF WE STATE AT THIS MEETING WHEN IT WILL BE HELD.
>> OKAY. SO WE COULD SAY THAT, TOO. TONIGHT.
>> YES. IF WE KNOW WHETHER IT'S ONE MONTH, TWO MONTHS.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE HIM MORE THAN A MONTH OR TWO.
>> YEAH. I WOULD RECOMMEND GIVING HIM THREE TO BE MORE CAREFUL.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND GIVING HIM THREE MONTHS, AND THEN SAYING, WE'LL REVISIT IT THEN, AND WE WON'T THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY ADVERTISE OR WHATEVER.
AND THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU I DON'T KNOW HOW IS JACK KIRBY ABLE TO HELP YOU GET THIS TOGETHER QUICKLY ENOUGH, DO YOU THINK?
>> I MEAN, IF YOU CAN GET HIM ON THE HORN AND GET THIS THING ROLLING, AND MATT CAN GIVE YOU SOME POINTERS ON WHAT'S WHAT? HE CAN DRAW IT UP, AND, EVEN IF WE DO COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS.
>> WELL, IF WE SAY THREE MONTHS, IT GIVES US SUFFICIENT TIME FOR YOU TO WRAP UP WHAT YOU NEED WITH JACK, GET IN WITH MATT, MAKING SURE THAT MATT CAN THEN PUT IT ON THE MEETING IF IT NEEDS TO.
MAYBE YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO COME BACK. THAT'S THE POINT.
>> DO YOU HAVE AN INPUT, MATT, WHEREVER.
>> I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN AND JUST LOOKING AT THIS STREET VIEW.
THERE'S I MEAN, THERE'S A ON THE SITE PLAN WHICH THERE'S FP, IT'S A FIREPLACE.
SO THERE'S A FIREPLACE THAT'S ON THE ON THE SIDE OF THAT HOUSE.
>> IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL SIDE DOOR, IT'S A WINDOW THAT'S THE CAR WAS BLOCKED.
>> SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME CHALLENGES TO BUILDING THERE WITH THAT FIREPLACE.
>> OKAY. SO IT'S NOT IN USE, BUT WHAT DO YOU SEE AS HICCUPS WITH THAT, MATT?
>> JUST FOR HOW THEY HAVE THEIR CURRENT FLOOR PLAN LAID OUT FOR THE ADDITION.
>> HOW YOU WOULD ACCESS IT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? FOR THE ROOM AND WHAT NOT?
>> HAVE TO BACK GET IT FREE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> WELL, IF IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A VARIANCE, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO COME BACK AT ALL.
>> IF YOU COULD MAKE IT CONFORM PLAY IT OUT TO MEET THE SETBACKS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE IT WORK.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW YOU ENTER THAT NEW ROOM WITH THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN THAT'S THERE.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUILD IT WITHOUT NEEDING A VARIANCE AT ALL.
>> YOU COULD MAKE THAT A DOORWAY.
>> YEAH. THE POINT IS, WE WANT YOU TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH WE DON'T WANT TO URGE YOU TO DO ONE THING IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR DESIRE IS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE BEST RESULT POSSIBLE.
WITH WHAT YOU'RE WORKING? WITH WHAT MATT LOOKING INTO THE FLOOR PLAN AND GO, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS.
BUT IF YOUR DESIRE IS TO HAVE MORE SPACE AND YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, AND KICK IT OVER THAT WAY AND MOVE SOME THINGS AND RESHUFFLE YOUR ORIGINAL IDEA, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO SO LIKELY WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO COME BACK HERE.
>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE IT.
>> AND WE CAN STILL TABLE IT AND SAY, HEY, COME BACK IN, WHAT IS IT? SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, MAYBE SAY DECEMBER.
SO YOU GET ENOUGH TIME TO GET SOME THINGS WORKED OUT IN CASE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK.
AND AT LEAST WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PLAN ON DECEMBER IF IT'S NEEDED.
GO DO YOUR THING, YOU KNOW, GET IT DONE, RIGHT? DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? OKAY.
>> SO I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 25-0024 FOR 90 DAYS?
>> YES. AND I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR?
>> SO WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT FOR YOU.
AND AT THIS POINT, WE CAN I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE MEETING, AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT.
WHEN WE CLOSE EVERYTHING DOWN, YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MATT, IF YOU'D LIKE. IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
>> IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS?
>> NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN AT 6:33.ALL IN FAVOR?
>> OKAY. MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.