[Call to Order ]
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I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.WITH US TONIGHT IS MISS HANNAH COL. SHE'S THE VICE CHAIR. COMMISSION MEMBERS.
CAROLINE COUNTY COMMISSIONER TRAVIS BREEDING AND ROGER MCKNIGHT.
WE HAVE ONE MISSING, SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
WITH US A STAFF, THE PLANNING ZONING DIRECTOR KRISTA DAD, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR LESLIE GUNNAN, OUR SENIOR PLANNER, I DO BELIEVE.
IN THAT YOUR TITLE, MATT? MATT KOZINSKI.
>> ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
COUNTY ATTORNEY STEWART SCOTT.
[LAUGHTER] OUR LONG RANGE PLANNER, OLIVIA [INAUDIBLE].
IS THAT CLOSE? MATT, AND OUR BOARD ASSISTANT, GENEVA.
THE PERSON THAT KEEPS IT STRAIGHT?
>> IF EVERYBODY WOULD DO ME A FAVOR, PUT YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT, AND IF YOU MUST USE THEM, PLEASE GO OUTSIDE.
FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE PULMONARY CYCLE PLAN REVIEW FOR OLD TOWN MATERIALS.
[Preliminary Site Plan Review - Oldtown Materials LLC]
MATT. YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR STAFF REPORT ON THIS?>> SURE. THE APPLICATION IS THE APPLICANTS OLD TOWN MATERIALS, LLC.
THEY FILED A MAJOR SITE PLAN APPLICATION ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, FAULKNER ARES, LLC.
THIS IS AN EXISTING MINERAL EXTRACTION FACILITY THAT WAS PERMITTED IN 2017.
WHAT YOU SEE IS A PROPOSED EXPANSION OF APPROXIMATELY 9.35 ACRES, WHICH WOULD BRING THE TOTAL OPERATION TO 90.92 ACRES.
AGAIN, APPROVAL FROM 2017, THAT WAS PROPERLY PERMITTED BEFORE OUR REGULATIONS CAME INTO EFFECT, SO THEY WERE NOT UNDER THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS INVOLVED WITH THIS APPLICATION IS A SETBACK MODIFICATION, BECAUSE THIS PROPOSED EXPANSION WAS NOT APPROVED UNDER THE PREVIOUS ND MINING PERMIT.
THEREFORE, THE EXPANSION HAS TO COMPLY WITH OUR REGULATIONS THAT ARE CURRENT.
THEY'VE REQUESTED A 200 FOOT SETBACK REDUCTION.
THERE WAS ALREADY DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT SETBACK IN THIS AREA, ROUGHLY 4,000 SQUARE FEET WITH ACTUAL NEW DISTURBANCE AT ABOUT 1,300 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S DEPICTED ON SHEETS C 101 AND C 102.
THE REST OF THE FACILITY OF THE EXPANSION WOULD ACTUALLY MEET THAT 200 FOOT SETBACK.
IT'S BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 2017.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE COMMENTS HERE.
ONE, OBVIOUSLY, THEY GOT TO GO FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPROVAL.
THE SECOND ITEM HERE IS A NOTE THAT WAS ALREADY UPDATED, SO I DID THE STAFF REPORT, AND ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I HAD WAS THAT THEY REVISED THE SITE PLAN TO REFLECT THIS COMMENT IN PARTICULAR, SO THAT'S BEEN REVISED.
THEN, OF COURSE, THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY REAL ISSUES AT THIS POINT.
THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH A REVIEW, ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR COMMENTS.
THEY'RE HERE TO PRESENT THEIR CASE TO YOU, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON WHAT'S HERE, WE CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE APPLICANT.
>> THE ONLY CORN INSIDE THE 200 FOOT WAS JUST A SMALL CORNER.
>> GENEVA, IF YOU GO TO SHEET C 102, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A SECOND, [INAUDIBLE] HAS REBOOTED AND IS HAVING PROBLEMS.
>> BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY WITHIN THE 200 FOOT.
>> IT'S JUST LOOKS LIKE A SMALL LITTLE THAT TIES INTO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN MINED.
IT'S NOT LIKE, IF ANYTHING, IT EASES AWAY FROM THE EXISTING SETBACK.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS, PROBLEMS, ANYTHING, OUTSTANDING VIOLATIONS, NOTHING ON THIS.
>> THE ONE THING THAT I HAD REQUESTED THE APPLICANT DO, THEY HAD CONSTRUCTED A LIEN TO OVER SOME EXISTING UTILITIES AND A GENERATOR WITHOUT A PERMIT.
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THIS BOARD REQUESTED THAT THEY SUBMIT A PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THAT, SO THEY'VE DONE THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT.>> WE'RE NOT TALKING A HUGE LIEN TO.
>> IT'S DELINEATED ON THE SITE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON MOST OF THE SHEETS, BUT THE SHEET THAT I WAS REFERENCING, C 102, IT'S DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE WASH PLANT.
>> WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION IN NOW FOR THAT, SO THAT'LL BE ISSUED IN ACCORDS WITH THE APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICATION.
>> IS THIS GOING TO MAXIMIZE THE PROPERTY OR ANY FUTURE EXPANSION?
>> ORIGINALLY, THIS AREA WAS KIND OF LEFT ASIDE FOR THE OWNERS TO WHERE THE EXISTING FARMHOUSE WAS, A LOT OF THE AG STRUCTURES WERE THERE.
I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THEM TO DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT THEY MOVED THE PORTION THAT WAS GOING TO BE RESERVED FOR THE OWNERS TO THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PARCEL.
THAT'S DELINEATED AS WHAT THEY SET AS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY THEY CALL IT OUT AS OWNER RESERVED AREA.
THEY JUST KIND OF SHIFTED THAT AREA.
THERE IS A SECTION DOWN TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY RESERVED FOR FUTURE MINING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 32 ACRES.
OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S NOT PART OF A PHASE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR AT THIS POINT.
BUT IF THEY DO COME BACK, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED IN THE SAME MANNER.
BEFORE THIS BOARD AS WELL AS THE BZA FOR SPECIAL USE.
FOR THIS APPLICATION, IT'S JUST THE 9.35 ACRES WHERE THE ORIGINAL OWNER RESERVED AREA WAS.
>> I CAN GIVE HIM A FEW MINUTE AND TRY TO GET A PICTURE UP SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.
>> THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A TV THAT'S TOO SURE OUT.
>> HAS EVERYBODY GOT THEIR MAP? I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE WANTS IT.
ARE YOU GOOD? WE'LL LET THEM COME UP. APP.
>> IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME?
>> IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE APPLICANT THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
>> GOOD EVENING, AND ON BEHALF OF OLD TOWN MATERIALS.
>> SECOND EVERYTHING THAT MATT SAID, WE HAVE A 9.35 ACRE SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY WITHIN, SURROUNDED BY THE POND, IT'S ON LITTLE ISLAND, LITTLE ISTHMUS.
THE OWNERS HAVE NO FURTHER USE FOR THE AGRICULTURAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT ARE ON THAT AREA, THEY ARE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE DISMANTLED, AND THE PROPERTY WOULD BE MINE.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST USE OF MAKING USE OF ALL OF THE PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK SOMEPLACE ELSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD POINT OUT IS THAT THE PROPERTY THE ONLY THING THAT YOU CAN SEE AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD RIGHT NOW IS THE BIG SILO.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE STREET VIEW IS GOING TO BE THE SAME.
NOTHING ELSE WILL BE CHANGING.
I'D LIKE TO CALL SHERIFF HOME PLANE ENGINEERING WHO CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> CHERYL TOMMY WITH PLANE ENGINEERING.
I WAS THE DESIGN DRAFTER FOR THIS PROJECT.
I KNOW THE PLANS PRETTY IN AND OUT, AND THANK YOU, MATT, FOR DISCUSSING EVERYTHING.
CLEARLY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT I CAN ADD AT THIS POINT ONTO THE PROJECT, EXCEPT THAT, THE PLANS WERE ORIGINALLY, LIKE HE HAD SAID, APPROVED BACK IN 2018.
THIS WAS BEFORE THE 200 FOOT SETBACK RULE.
WE PROPOSED IT IN TWO PHASES. THERE'S ONE PHASE.
PHASE 1 IS A 60 ACRE PHASE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
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PHASE 2 IS A 21.57 ACRE PHASE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE SITE.THE TOTAL MINING PERMIT AREA OF 81.57 ACRES.
THE MINES LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION THERE, CHURCH LANE, BRIDGETOWN ROAD, AND DAVIS ROAD, JUST SOUTH TOWN GOLDSBORO.
THE WHOLE ROUTE'S NOT GOING TO BE CHANGING, WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE SAME.
TRUCKS WILL COME IN OFF OF MARYLAND ROUTE 313 GOLDSBORO ROAD.
THEY'LL TURN ONTO BRIDGETOWN ROAD.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A LEFT INTO THE SITE ON AT THE ENTRANCE.
WHEN THE MINE WAS APPROVED IN 2018, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUIRED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRIDGETOWN ROAD, WHICH WAS AT THAT TIME, 16-19 FT WIDE.
IT'S SINCE BEEN UPDATED TO A TAR AND SHIP TO COUNTY STANDARDS TO 20 FEET WIDE WITH SHOULDERS AND DRAINAGE.
THEY'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT UP.
THEY HAVE A DEVELOPERS RIGHTS AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
THE HAUL ROUTE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, NOR WILL THE LOADS PER DAY BE CHANGING THAT WILL STAY AT 100 LOADS PER DAY.
THE 75 HEADED TOWARDS THE WESTERN SHORE, 25 BEING LOCAL ROADS.
THERE'S NO INCREASE IN THE INTENSITY, AND THERE WILL ALSO BE NO VEHICULAR CHANGE IN THE TRAFFIC THERE.
TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS SUBMITTED BY LENHART TRAFFIC CONSULTING INC SHOULD FIND THAT IN YOUR PACKETS.
THE MINING OPERATION CURRENTLY HAS HOURS OF OPERATION FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 06:00 A.M. TO 6:00 P.M. SATURDAY, FROM 6:00 A.M. TO 2:00 P.M.
NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED AT THIS TIME TO THE CURRENT HOURS.
UM, IT'S IMPROVED WITH THE WASH PLANT.
WE HAD SAID THAT ALREADY, YOU CAN SEE THE WASH PLANT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE ROAD, BUT THE WASH PLANT IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME.
THE METHODS OF DREDGING ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STAY THE SAME.
IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF DRY MINING VERSUS WET DREDGING WILL CONTINUE ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS JUST USING THE BEST USE OF WHAT GROUND IS LEFT.
AS I SAID, THE OWNER RESERVED AREA WAS OVER TOP OF WHERE THE EXISTING FARM DWELLINGS WHERE WHERE THE FARMHOUSE IS AND THE AG STRUCTURES, FALLEN OF DISREPAIR.
WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE TO DISMANTLE THOSE THOSE AND MOVE THE OWNER RESERVE AREA TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS ALL ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.
IT'S NOT TOUCHING SETBACKS EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE PORTION THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR A SETBACK MODIFICATION FOR.
PART OF THAT NEW DISTURBANCE AREA WHERE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A SMOOTH TRANSITION INTO THE PHASE ONE POND, AS WE MINE OUT THAT INTERIOR CIRCULAR AREA.
WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A SMOOTH TRANSITION IN THERE WITH NO HARD TURNS AND PUT A BUNCH OF MINING MONUMENTS OUT THERE FOR THEM.
IT'S GOING TO GO INTO THAT 200 FOOT SETBACK JUST BY A SMALL AMOUNT, AND THE NEW DISTURBANCE, THEY SAID, WAS JUST OVER 1,000 SQUARE FEET, 01,287 SQUARE FEET IT'S ONLY GOING TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA LIFE TO THE MINE.
IT'S NOT A SMALL AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> IT'S BOTH. THE TOTAL AREA IS 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
>> BUT PART OF THAT IS FROM THE PREVIOUS PRE OPERATION.
WERE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO JOIN THE MINE UP WITH THE EXISTING PONDS.
>> YOU WANT 1,000 NEW ADDITION.
>> IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT, BUT IT DOES GET, TWO WITHIN 72 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, IMPOSE TOO MUCH CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE REST OF THE MINING THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR ON THAT PHASE THREE INTERIOR PART, THAT WILL ALL COMPLY WITH THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.
THIS REALLY DOES, TRY TO MAKE USE OF THE RESOURCES THAT ARE ON THE SITE.
THERE MAY BE A FUTURE MINING AREA TO THE SOUTH,
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BUT THAT'S NOT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.THIS IS USING THE BEST USING AS MUCH AREA AS POSSIBLE.
WE ALSO SUBMITTED WITH THE PACKAGE A APPRAISAL OF THE PROPERTY BY TIDEWATER PROPERTY AS APPRAISERS THAT THAT DOES NOT DISCOVER ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY VALUES.
THE END USE WILL ALSO STAY THE SAME ON THE PROJECT.
IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A LARGE POND WITH AN AREA THAT WILL BE LEFT BEHIND FOR A HOUSE SITE AND A DRIVEWAY OVER TO RICH TOWN ROAD.
ULTIMATELY, IT'S ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE LIKE EVERYBODY HAS SAID, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO SEE ANYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S NOT IMPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL IMPACTS ONTO THE 200 FOOT BUFFER, EXCEPT FOR THAT SMALL AREA.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL TRUCK LOADS OR TRUCK TRAFFIC AND NO CHANGE OF HOURS.
DOES ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> NO. YOU'RE JUST ASKING TO CHANGE A LITTLE CORNER.
DIG UP THE NINE ACRES THAT ARE THERE? ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR LANE?
>> I DON'T THINK NO. IT'S PRETTY CUT?
>> YES. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS [INAUDIBLE]? FOR THE OWNERS? ANYTHING ELSE? THEY TURNED IN THEIR APPLICATION AND WE HAVE TO NOW TAKE A VOTE ON IT.
>> ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? ANYBODY ELSE HERE.
PREEXISTING PERMITTED FACILITY.
[INAUDIBLE] IS IN PLACE WHERE THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE ANY MAINTENANCE TO THE ROAD.
NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANY NEIGHBORS, AND MAKES SENSE TO MAXIMIZE THE MINERAL RESOURCES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS.
>> WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING BUT A LITTLE CORNER.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SLIGHT PLAN APPLICATION AND TO RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT PROCEED TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR REVIEW OF THEIR SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPLICATION.
IF THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPLICATION IS GRANTED, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FINAL SLIGHT PLAN INCORPORATING ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AND SAFEGUARDS SPECIFIED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
>> BEFORE YOU FINISH. DOES THIS ALSO INCLUDE ALLOWING A MODIFICATION TO THE 200-FOOT BUFFER OF THAT LITTLE 1,200 SQUARE FEET?
>> DOES BCA HAVE TO DO THAT, OR WE CAN MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMEND.
[OVERLAPPING] I WOULD ALSO SAY TO INCLUDE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 200-FOOT SETBACK REDUCTION?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS IT A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
SAY AYE RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALL OPPOSE. SAME. HEARING NONE, THE MOTION PASS.
>> GENEVIEVE, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT [INAUDIBLE]?
>> I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T SHOW YOU YOUR MAP.
>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
[Village Commercial District Zoning Review - Mini Storage Use]
VILLAGE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING REVIEW MINI STORAGE USE.STAFF REPORT. WHO IS DOING THAT ONE. MS. CRYSTAL.
>> WE HAVE RECEIVED A CITIZEN REQUEST FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW MINI STORAGE IN THE VC ZONING DISTRICT.
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IN YOUR PACKAGES, YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT.[BACKGROUND] WHEN WE CREATED THE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICTS, WE ALLOWED A MIXED USE OF SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
THAT ALIGNED SIMILARLY IN THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO OUR C-1 ZONING DISTRICT.
WE HAVE A C-1 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND A C-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
C-1 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WOULD ALLOW SMALLER SCALE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORING AREA AND C-2 GENERAL IS PROVIDING FOR SERVICES AND BUSINESSES IN A GREATER AREA THAN JUST THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
IN LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT WHERE WE ALLOW MANY STORAGE UNITS, THEY'RE ALLOWED IN THE C-1 ZONING DISTRICT VIA A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION.
LOOKING TO ALIGN THAT AND ALLOW THAT USE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IN A SIMILAR FASHION, WE WOULD PROPOSE TO ALLOW THAT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER IN THE SAME FASHION WITH A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIZES OF THE PARCELS IN THE VILLAGE CENTERS, THEY ARE NOT LARGE IN SIZE.
WHEN YOU DO TYPICALLY LOOK AT A MINI WAREHOUSE FACILITY, THEY ARE MULTIPLE LONGER BUILDINGS IN SIZE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PARCEL BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR OTHER REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL WOULD DRIVE THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY.
THERE WE DON'T HAVE CURRENT SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IF THERE WERE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY'RE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICT, THAT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED IN A GENERAL C-1 ZONING DISTRICT, SUCH AS MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, HEIGHT, ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE LARGE SCALE AND SMALL SCALE RETAIL STORES AND LARGE SCALE AND SMALL SCALE GENERAL SERVICES, AND THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SMALL SCALE WOULD BE UP TO 3,000.
THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN EVALUATING ALLOWING THE MINI STORAGE IN THE VC ZONING DISTRICT.
>> MS. CRYSTAL, I LIKE THE IDEA OF FREEING IT UP BECAUSE THE VILLAGE CENTERS REALLY, WITH THE HEALTH REGULATIONS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT A SEPTIC OR IN ANY WAY TO HAVE A STORE REALLY MORE THAN LIKELY AT LEAST NOT WITH A PUBLIC BATHROOM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER, SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF ALLOWING THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY IN THE VILLAGE CENTERS.
WHAT SETBACKS AND ANY TREE PLANNING AROUND THE PERIMETER? THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS IF YOU JUST HAD A STONE LOT WITH THE BUILT, IF YOU HAD A TREE AROUND THE PERIMETER, EVERY FEW FEET OR EVERY 10 FEET JUST TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SURE. THOSE ARE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS THAT COULD APPLY SPECIFICALLY TO THE VC DISTRICT THAT WOULDN'T APPLY IN THE C-1 DISTRICT.
YOU COULD DO THAT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IN THE C-1?
>> NO. THERE IS SOME GENERAL BUSINESS GUIDELINES, MATH THAT THEY DO HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR SOME ITEMS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TYPICALLY GETS PULLED UP WITH A COMMERCIAL INSTANCE FOR SCREENING IS IN REGARDS TO SCREENING A PARKING LOT.
IF YOU GOT 10 OR MORE PARKING SPACES, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO SCREEN THE FACILITY FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
>> THE SCREENING DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE. IT COULD BE A FENCE.
>> I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO OVERBOARD AND HAVE, FULL SCREENING, LIKE YOU DID WITH SOLAR OR SAYING.
BUT JUST SOMETHING TO BREAK IT UP.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING.
WHAT WOULD THE SETBACK BE? [OVERLAPPING] THE PARKING LOT OR LIKE THE STONE LOT.
>> THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE SETBACK 10 FEET FROM THE FRONT, 10 FEET FROM THE REAR AND FIVE FOOT FROM THE SIDES.
YOU COULD HAVE MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS,
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FOR THAT TYPE OF USE IN TERMS OF A SUPPLEMENTARY REGS.WHO DID REQUEST THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM TO.
>> I WOULD JUST THINK LIKE AN EVEN 10 FOOT SETBACK ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER WOULD JUST MAYBE A TREE EVERY 20 FEET OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW.
>> I THINK MAYBE IF, ONE OF THE THINGS COULD BE CONSIDERED IS, IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE, NOT ANOTHER NEIGHBORING BUSINESS.
THAT YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO SOME SCREENING BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES.
LIKE MATTS, WE HAVE SOME GENERAL GUIDELINES RIGHT NOW FOR PARKING AREAS THAT SAY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THE OTHER THING IS, TOO, A LOT OF THESE ARE LIGHTED.
YOU HAVE OVERNIGHT SECURITY LIGHTING TOO.
WE'RE DELVING INTO MUNICIPAL STUFF A LITTLE BIT HERE.
>> WELL, I THINK IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, IT APPLIES TO ALMOST ALL OF THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN A C-1 DISTRICT, YOU'RE IN ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE IN A VILLAGE.
LIGHTING COULD BE CONDITIONED TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SETTING, THE SAME THING A SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPING, NOT STOCKADE FENCES IN THE MIDDLE.
BUT ALL OF THAT COULD BE DONE AS CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.
>> LOW INTENSITY, DIRECTED INWARD, THERE COULD BE A, NUMBER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH TO CONSIDER A MINI STORAGE, A WAREHOUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A WAREHOUSE, IT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE MORE LIKE A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAN IT IS A WAREHOUSE.
>> BUT JUST A BALANCE, I DON'T WANT TO BE ALL RIDICULOUS WITH REGULATIONS EITHER AND HAVE ALL KINDS OF SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, BUT, TO HAVE A LIGHTED LITTLE COMMERCIAL FACILITY IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF HOUSES, TOO, I THINK ON A CASE BY CASE, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S LOOKED AT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, CONSIDERING, ARE THERE A LOT OF HOUSES AROUND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT IF WE ALIGN IT THE SAME WAY WE ALLOW IT IN A C-1 DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE BY SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, WHICH COULD CONSIDER THAT THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY THAT'S GOING ON AND IF THERE WOULD BE ANY IMPACT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY COULD SET SPECIAL CONDITIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS IF THERE WERE NOT STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD ONES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
THEY STILL WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BCA TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS.
>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN'T CHANCES STORE WAS IN ONE OF THEM.
THEY PROBABLY NEVER GET A PERMIT TO PUT A SEPTIC IN THE WAY CHANCES STORE OPERATED.
>> THIS WOULD BE FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER.
NOT ALL OF OUR VILLAGES HAVE VC ZONING DISTRICTS, SO IT WOULDN'T BE AN ALLOWABLE USE IN ALL VC DISTRICTS.
>> YOU ALL HAVE IN THE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, THE RURAL VILLAGES THAT DO.
THE FIRST ONE IS TANYARD, WHERE THIS IS PROPOSED AND THE PARCEL IS OUTLINED IN BLUE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
THEN THE REMAINING RURAL VILLAGES THAT HAVE VILLAGE CENTER ARE FOLLOWING THAT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.
>> IT WOULD ONLY BE VILLAGE CENTERS LIKE THE VN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S THE VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MOUNT ZION, WILLISTON, AND JONESTOWN DO NOT HAVE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING. THEY'RE ALL VN.
>> BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
>> CORRECT. THERE IS NO VC IN THOSE THREE.
>> WHICH PROPERTY AT 10 YARD, IS IT?
>> IT'S THE ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ON THE AERIAL.
>> JUST REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT A SPECIFIC REZONING REQUEST FOR AN INDIVIDUAL PARCEL, BUT FOR [OVERLAPPING] ADDITIONAL USE.
>> EVERYBODY WOULD BE C ZONING.
>> YES. THE BALLS HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM AND WHAT THEY HAVE LOOKED INTO AS FAR AS, THE NEED IN THE AREA, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM.
>> THIS PROPERTY IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT REALLY GOOD FOR A WHOLE LOT ELSE AT THE PARK.
WE'VE HAD A VEGETABLE STAND THERE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE'VE OPERATED.
I'D RATHER HEAR SOMETHING LIKE THIS DIRECTION WITH IT.
[INAUDIBLE] EVEN THE SETBACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHATEVER THAT IS, I JUST THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MIND AS FAR AS NO THIS ESPECIALLY DONE?
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>> NO. MATT, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT?
>> THEY'D BE 3,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS.
I THINK YOU CAN AT LEAST FIT FIVE OR WHATEVER.
>> HOW BIG IS THAT [INAUDIBLE]?
>> THREE ACRES. THERE'S A POND THERE ALREADY.
AS FAR AS PROPS, THERE'S OTHER FOUR OR FIVE PROPERTIES.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT IT'S WHATEVER GOING ON.
[OVERLAPPING] SCREENINGS OR REGULATIONS NEED TO BE THAT? I THINK THAT THE PRIVACY TREES WOULD BE PERFECT PERSONALLY.
EVEN IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE ONLY THERE CERTAIN HOURS.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT HOW TYPICALLY WOULD BE DONE IN OTHER PLACES 24 HOURS, BUT THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL.
>> CENTERED LIGHTS WHERE IT COMES ON WHEN LIGHT COMES UP.
THEN WE DID LOOK INTO THOSE STORAGE UNITS IN PRESTON AND THERE IS ALL WAITING LISTS BECAUSE THE AREA IS GROWING UP, THERE IS MORE PEOPLE MOVING TO THE AREA.
THERE WERE WAITED LISTS ON ALL THE STORAGE UNITS.
>> THESE AREN'T JUST RESIDENTIAL STORAGE.
A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES USE THESE TOO.
>> IT'S RIGHT ON THE MAIN ROAD.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION.
PEOPLE PULL IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG.
>> LET THEM FIT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ARE YOU TRYING TO MIMIC PRESTON'S OR WOULD IT BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN WHAT PRESTON?
>> NO. I WOULD BE SMALLER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I SAID I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE IT CAN BE.
I WAS JUST GOING ABOUT A SMALL.
>> FIRST, YOU GOT TO GET PERMISSION EVEN DO IT.
>> UP TO 3,000. I DON'T SEE IT BEING ANY BIGGER IN THIS SITUATION ANYWAY.
>> EACH BUILD BE BIGGER 3,000 SQUARE, WOULD THAT BE, 10 BY 10 OR 10 BY 15 UNITS.
>> THAT'S ANOTHER PLUS BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT VILLAGE CENTER, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BCA WOULD CONSIDER, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT UP COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THE SCALE OF WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A BIG SCREAMING BUILDING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN ANYWHERE.
THAT'S 3,000 OR BELOW IS IN THE SCALE OF MOST OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, IN GENERALLY MOST OF THE VILLAGES, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A LIMITATION OR A CONDITION, IF ANY OF THOSE ARE PROPOSED IN ANY OTHER VILLAGE TOO THAT YOU ACTUALLY LOOK, AND IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO SEE SCALES OF BUILDINGS IN THE AREA.
>> DO WE HAVE CONDITIONS ON LIKE COMMERCIAL STUFF THAT WOULD BE THERE NOW, GAS STATION? YOU COULD THEORETICALLY PUT A GAS STATION IN BILLES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL.
>> WHAT HAPPENED? IS THAT A C-1 NEWS?
>> IT SHOULD BE. [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE.
>> SERVICE STATION WOULD BE BY SPECIAL USE IN THE BC.
>> I DON'T SEE THIS AS ANY MORE.
GAS STATIONS HAVE BEEN OPEN, 24, EVEN, THIS IS PROBABLY LESS INTRUSIVE THAN EVEN A GAS STATION.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO.
>> YOU'RE ASKING US NOT ABOUT THOSE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE OTHER USES THAT WE ALREADY PERMIT THERE TRY TO COMPARE IT TO THOSE, AND THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S ANY MORE INTRUSIVE LIKE THAT.
>> IF WE ALLOW A MINI STORAGE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T PUT MINI STORAGE IN VILLAGE CENTER.
>> ANYWHERE. WE SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN PUT THEM THERE, SUBJECT TO WHATEVER [OVERLAPPING] COMES UP WITH, AND THEN EACH ONE WOULD BE CASE BY CASE.
>> YOU LOOK AT SOME LIKE AMERICAN CORNER NEXT TO YOU'VE GOT SOME THERE NEXT TO [INAUDIBLE] INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] THERE MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
>> A BIG BUILDING OR A TWO STORY BUILDING.
FIT IN VERSUS TWO STORY BUILDING.
>> OR WITH NO SCREENING OR ANY OTHER SPECIAL CONDITION.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BREAK IT UP WITH A TREE OR SIT THROUGH HERE.
>> WHAT YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF YOUR PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
MINING HAS SUPPLEMENTARY REGS.
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IT SAYS, IF YOU WANT TO DO MINING, YOU CAN DO IT IN THIS DISTRICT.IT'S BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION, BUT WE STILL HAVE STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO MEET.
IF YOU CAN MEET THOSE STANDARDS, YOU GO TO THE BCA, AND THE BCA COULD IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON THAT CASE BY CASE.
MAYBE IT'S A LIMITATION OF HOURS DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS THAT'S BEING OPERATED OR WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR LIMIT, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THE REASON IS THE ACCESS POINT, THEY COULD PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING IF THEY FELT THE MINIMUM STANDARDS WE SET, WERE NOT SUFFICIENT TO PROTECT A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER.
>> YOU GIVE THE NEIGHBOR AND PROPERTY OWNER AN OPPORTUNITY.
>> OR YOU COULD HAVE NO STANDARDS, AND THEN YOU LEAVE THAT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD TO SAY THAT WHAT THEY PROPOSED IS GOOD.
>> WE NEED TO HAVE SOME BOARD STANDARDS THAT THEN EACH CASE GETS INTERPRETED.
IF WE SAY THAT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY REQUIRE SCREENING, AND THEN WE GET TO IT, IT'LL HAVE TO COME UP DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT.
THE PARTICULAR. HIS SCREENING MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY ELSE'S SCREEN.
BECAUSE I ASSUME MOST PEOPLE WANT TO PUT A FENCE AROUND, BUT WE'VE SEEN THE STORIES WITH NO FENCE, THAT JUST ANYBODY WANDERS IN.
>> OR YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY THAT YOU MUST PROVIDE SCREENING, AND THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE BOARD AS TO HOW MUCH AND WHERE.
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO THAT FAR THOUGH BECAUSE THE AMERICAN CORNER EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW.
DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED THERE, IT MAY NOT NEED TO BE SCREENED ON OUR SIDE.
>> HOW DO YOU WORD IT SO THAT YOU CAN DO IT, BUT YOU MAY BE REQUIRED SCREENING.
>> WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSIONER THAT THEY PASS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW MINI STORAGES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER WITH A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION, AND THEN ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD BE DETERMINED BY PCA.
>> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY SIZE REQUIREMENTS? I KNOW WITH SOME OF YOUR TYPICAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, WHETHER IT BE RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICES, WE DO HAVE A SIZE BETWEEN SMALL AND LARGE SCALE.
>> FOR A MINI STORIES, AND YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED INTO.
THEY KNOW HOW BIG THEIR LOT IS.
THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME ENGINEERING, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A STORMWATER RUNOFF.
AND THEN THEY GOT TO FACTOR IN ROADWAYS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, HOW WIDE THEY ARE? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A PARKING AREA IN THE BACK FOR SOMETHING? THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, HERE IS WHAT'S LEFT OVER.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A BUILDING ON.
IT'LL PRETTY MUCH DICTATE ITSELF.
NOW, IT HAS TO FIT WITH THE AREA.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT CAN'T GO THREE STORIES HIGH IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
>> THOSE ARE SOME SUPPLEMENTARY CONDITIONS YOU COULD APPLY TO SAY MAXIMUM HEIGHT, MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE.
ANY OF THOSE THINGS YOU COULD REQUIRE ACROSS THE BOARD.
>> BUT WE NEED THAT TO MOVE THIS ALONG?
>> THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THIS IN THE VC, SUBJECT TO SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION WITH THESE SPECIAL CRITERIA.
>> THE WOODEN SIZE BE CONSISTENT.
>> IN THE SCALE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE LOT SIZES ARE IN THE VCS THAT WE HAVE?
>> LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ALL OVER.
>> OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE ON THE SMALLER SIDE.
THERE'S A FEW AND THEIRS IS ONE OF THEM THAT AREN'T STREET FRONT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE IS SOME THAT HAVE LARGER PROPERTIES IN THE VC.
>> BUT AGAIN, I WOULD STILL CONSIDER A MAXIMUM SIZE BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU HAVE A 50 ACRE PROPERTY, DO YOU WANT A 20 ACRE BUILDINGS? YOU DO HAVE TO CONSIDER EVEN IF IT IS A LARGE LOT, THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE HUGE BUILDING.
THESE ARE VILLAGE AREAS SO MAYBE A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE COULD BE ALLOWED COMBINED.
BUT PER BUILDING SHOULD NOT BE BIGGER THAN
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THE GENERAL SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE VILLAGE.>> WELL, WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW COME UP WITH BROAD WORDING THAT WE CAN APPLY TO ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT THIS EVENING.
WE CAN WORK ON SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.
>> STEWART, CAN YOU THINK OF FOR INSTANCE,.
>> BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE COUNTY, NOT JUST YOUR PROJECT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING SOMETHING FOR ALL OVER AND, LIKE, TRAVIS WAS SAYING, YOU PUT YOUR STORY UNIT DOWN BY CURTIS ANDREWS, WHO CARES IF IT'S TWO STORY, IT FITS RIGHT IN.
EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD. BUT YOU BACK IT UP TO FOUR HOUSES AND YOU PUT A THREE-STOREY BUILDING THERE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT DON'T FIT.
>> WELL, I WILL SAY THAT 3,000 SQUARE FEET, WE'RE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THAT ACROSS MULTIPLE USES.
COMMERCIAL RETAIL IS EITHER SMALL SCALE OR LARGE SCALE.
SMALL SCALE, IN THIS CASE, WOULD BE GROSS FLOOR AREA 3,000 SQUARE FEET UNDER.
THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A SITE PLAN APPROVAL, A LARGE SCALE IS NOT. IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
>> THAT'S THE GENERAL INTERPRETATION.
THAT'S WHY THEY WERE THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE MENTIONED THAT THE ECONOMY OF SCALE AND THE ZONING AROUND IT.
WE'VE STUCK WITH 3,000 AS SMALL SCALE.
>> MAYBE WHEN HE GETS INTO DESIGN AND FINDS OUT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT STUFF THAT HE MIGHT HAVE TO DO AND ALL THAT, THEN IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO JUST PUT ONE BUILDING UP IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S BIGGER.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S WHY I'D RATHER NOT [OVERLAPPING].
BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT TO FIT STORM WATER.
I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS.
>> I CAN DO A COMBINED LIKE A TOTAL FOR THE PUZZLE.
>> THERE'S SOME BIGGER VC LOTS AROUND WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A MINI STORES, COVERED THE WHOLE THING IN MINI STORES.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT GOING, FOR THE STOREYS LOOK LIKE ONE OF THOSE MAJOR STORE PLACES, THAT'S LIKE 10 STOREYS.
>> THAT'S WHERE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BREAK IT UP IN A LARGE CASE INTO SMALLER BUILDINGS AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON THE LANGUAGE, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF CONDITIONS CAN BE REQUIRED THAT KEEP THE STRUCTURES IN THE SCALE OF THE VILLAGE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
>> I JUST DON'T WANT PAYING US IN THE CORNER AND THEN THEY COME IN AND THEN WE HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHING AGAIN.
>> SURE. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
>> THAT IT EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
>> IF WE WERE GOING TO IMPOSE ANYTHING, I'D JUST SAY A HEIGHT RESTRICTION. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
>> CURRENTLY IN THE VILLAGE CENTER, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ANY STRUCTURE IS THREE STOREYS, 40 FEET.
>> BUT EVEN THAT, IF THEY BUILT ONE THAT WAS TALLER THAT LOOKED LIKE A BARNER OR SOMETHING.
>> YOU COULD MAKE IT FIT OR POOL BUILDING.
THERE'S HUGE POOL BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE.
>> THE ONE DOWN HERE AT THE CORNER.
BY THE FIVE STORY, TWO STOREYS.
IT FITS RIGHT IN THE WOODS, NOBODY PAYS ANY ATTENTION, IT'S TWO STOREYS.
AGAIN, THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
ULTIMATELY, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE OR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS WOULD AT LEAST
>> RIGHT NOW IF IT GOES FOR A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION, SITE PLAN APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED ONLY IF IT'S MAJOR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OTHERWISE.
>> OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET, SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT.
>> 20,000 SQUARE FEET, PROJECT AREA THE SERVANTS OR BUILDING.
>> WE'D DEFINITELY SEE IT. YOU'RE NOT BUILDING MANY STORY ON LESS THAN 20,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S A HALF ACRE.
THAT'S ONLY A HALF ACRE. AS SOON AS YOUR PARKING LOT, BUILDING FOOTPRINT, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT GETS BIGGER THAN 20,000, THEN IT'S GOT TO COME TO US.
>> A LOT OF THIS IS CASE BY CASE BECAUSE IT JUST CHANGES SO MUCH ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
>> IF WE KEEP IT BROAD, THEN WE CAN MANEUVER WITH BEST.
>> WITH THE SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION, THAT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT IF THERE IS A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER THAT FEELS THEY MAY BE IMPACTED IN SOME WAY, CAN VOICE THEIR CONCERN, AND MAYBE THAT IMPACT CAN BE MITIGATED BY SCREENING AND HOURS LIGHTING OR SIZE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE,
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TOO. MAKE IT WORK.>> CAN YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING?
>> WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY DIVE INTO IT UNLESS WE KNEW FIRST THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER.
>> FOR THEM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY BUT IT SEEMS A GOOD USE FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER.
AS LONG AS IT FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE VILLAGE, WHY NOT USE IT INSTEAD OF YOU'RE JUST SITTING ON THREE ACRES. IT'S NO GOOD.
WE CAN ACTUALLY USE IT AND BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
ANY QUESTION? NEGATIVE. I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE'VE GOT TO SORT IT OUT BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE COUNTY.
WE GOT TO PAINT THIS WITH A BROAD BRUSH SO THAT WE CAN TALK TO YOU AND TALK TO THEM.
THAT WAY, THEY DON'T GET MAD BECAUSE YOU GOT THIS AND THEY DIDN'T GET IT.
>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A SPECIFIC MOTION?
>> WELL YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN BACK HERE?
>> NOW, ARE YOU DONE? I THINK THAT THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK HAD A QUESTION.
>> I NEED YOU TO COME UP TO THE MIC.
IF YOU'RE FINISHED, YOU CAN SWAP PLACES.
>> LAST NIGHT WE WERE RECORDED, TONIGHT WE'RE RECORDING.
>> NOW YOU GET TO SAY YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE AT.
>> MASON PLATZKY, LIVE ON 22542 DOVER BRIDGE ROAD, RIGHT BETWEEN BETHLEHEM AND PRESTON.
I CAME TO THIS MEETING TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME OF THE COMMERCIALIZATION CHANGES AND CODES AND JUST HAPPENED TO HEAR THIS STUFF GOING ON WITH MR. AND MRS. BOREL, JUST TO PUT $0.02 ON THAT, I THINK WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON THERE WOULD BE AN AMAZING IDEA.
IT'S A BUSY LITTLE SPOT RIGHT THERE.
IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED WHAT THEY HAVE THERE NOW, SHARON AND I HARDLY EVEN NOTICED IT TILL WE STARTED LOOKING IN THERE.
WHEN THE LITTLE WHITE FENCE WENT UP WITH THE PRIOR GUY THAT OWNED THAT, IT WAS LIKE, WOW, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT LITTLE LOT WAS IN THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE OFFENSIVE.
IT'S THE SAME THING YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, AS LONG AS THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE GOOD WITH IT, LET IT HAPPEN, MAKE THE CHANGES.
THEN JUST A CHANCE OF LOOKING AT THESE MAPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND SHARING, I KEEP TALKING ABOUT AND I HAD MENTIONED YESTERDAY, A LOT OF THESE COMMERCIAL SPOTS AND THE VILLAGE CENTER SPOTS, THEY'RE IN TOWN, AND THESE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE HOUSES THERE AND THEY'RE NOT MOVING AND SO IT LOCKS EVERYBODY UP THAT HAS AREAS THAT AREN'T SO OFFENSIVE TO CREATE A PLACE OF BUSINESS AND JOBS AND OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
I THINK WE JUST SOUND WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE AND HEADING THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR THIS COUNTY.
>> WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO USE THESE LOW PLACES BECAUSE THESE LOTS ARE NOT LIKE HE SAID, CAN YOU BUILD A HOUSE ON IT?
>> IT'S ALL WETLAND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT IS A GOOD USE FOR PARCELS THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SEPTIC SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MANY BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
>> THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE WITHOUT A SEPTIC.
>> IT WOULD FIT AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD FIT IN THE AREA AROUND THE HOUSE.
I DON'T SEE WHERE YOU'D HAVE A BIG IMPACT.
>> NO. WE JUST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE ANOTHER PICTURE OF BETHLEHEM, AND IT'S LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMERCIAL C1 THAT WAS ON THERE OR C2.
A LOT OF THAT'S ALREADY USED, BUT THE REST OF IT IS WET.
WILL THAT PERK, CAN IT PERK, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY THAT WOODS AND I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING HAPPENING IN THERE BECAUSE I MOW IT ACROSS THE ROAD IN THE WOODS IS WET.
YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A TRACTOR IN THERE TO MOW IT.
>> THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH HAVING SOMEONE FROM OHIO IN THE 60S COME IN AND DO YOUR ZONING [LAUGHTER].
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AS A GENTLEMAN THAT SAID MY LAST NIGHT.THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THERE LAST NIGHT THAT SAID.
WE WERE ZONED BY A COMPANY FROM OHIO.
>> VERY PROFFESSIONALS [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO ADD.
>> WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE WHEELS OF GOVERNMENT AS THEY TURN.
>> A MOTION THAT INSTRUCTS US TO PROCEED AND TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL WITH DRAFT REGS OR A DRAFT LANGUAGE.
>> WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY WILL BE DOING IS PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT THIS COULD BE DONE ANYWHERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> THERE'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VILLAGE CENTERS THAT THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT
>> WE HAVE 12 VILLAGES AND NINE OF THEM HAVE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING.
THE THREE THAT DON'T THERE'S NO HISTORY OF ANY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THERE, THEY'RE HOUSES AND CHURCHES, AND THAT'S IT.
THEY WERE KEPT JUST VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> WE GOT 10 YARD, AMERICAN CORNER, BRIDGETOWN,.
BRASEVILLE, CHARPEL, HARMONY, HICKMAN, BIG TIM AND HICKMAN.
>> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S RAGING FOR.
>> WE HAVE A LOT OF EACH VILLAGES.
YOU PUT IT NEXT TO THE TOWERS CAGLIARY.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SCREEN ANYTHING.
>> WHAT ARE YOU SCREENING FROM?
>> ROGERS WHERE STORY UNITS ALLOWED NOW?.
>> NO. IN ALL OF THOSE, IT'S SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION IN THE C1 AND THEN SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN C2AND INDUSTRIAL.
>> THEY'RE NOT JUST PERMITTED BY RIGHT, YOU STILL HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH YOUR CUP HOOPS AND THAT'S MINI STORAGE.
>> BECAUSE IT'S UNDER WAREHOUSE.
CLASSIFIED THE SAME AS A COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.
WE HAVE WAREHOUSES, AND THEN WE HAVE MINI STORAGE.
>> IN THE COMMERCIAL, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS IN COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL.
>> JUST LOOKING BACK, WE DID NOT HAVE MINI STORAGE IN THE CODE PRIOR TO 2014.
IT WAS JUST WAREHOUSE AND AT THAT TIME, WE PULLED IT OUT AND LEFT IT FOR MINI STORAGE AND LOOKED AT THE ZONING DISTRICTS AT THAT TIME. IS THAT RIGHT, MADAM? I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS THERE PRIOR TO 2014.
WE HAD TO CATEGORIZE IT AS WAREHOUSE, WHICH AGAIN, FALLS MORE INTO INDUSTRIAL IN OUR DEFINITION.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER.
NO. I HAD OTHER QUESTIONS ON SOMETHING ELSE, SO THAT CAN'T BE DONE IN A RURAL AREA WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> MOST OF THE COUNTY, WHAT WAS IT? 126,000 ACRES, IT CANNOT HAVE ALL.
>> BUT REMEMBER, YOU WILL BE GOING INTO REZONING AFTER THE COP PLAN AND THAT THE REZONING, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE TO EITHER COMMERCIAL OR OTHER USES OR EXPAND YOUR LOT.
>> YEAH. WHAT'S MORE? [INAUDIBLE] MANY STORAGE OR THE SOLAR ARRAY?
>> THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING IT IS I WOULD USE MY OWN PROPERTIES AS EXAMPLE AS I'M PROBABLY LOCATED, OF COURSE, WITH THE MINING COMPANY PEOPLE, I'M ONLY HALF A MILE FROM THAT.
BENEDICTINE SCHOOL, I'M ON A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THAT.
I HAVE OPEN FIELDS THAT ARE BIG AS FIVE ACRES THAT'S MY OWN, MY OWN PROPERTIES, SO HERE I HAVE INSTITUTIONS THAT PROBABLY COULD UTILIZE A MINI STORAGE BUT I'M ONLY FOUR MILES ORIGINALLY,
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SO IT LIMITS ME OR ANYBODY ELSE IN MY AREA WHO HAS PROPERTIES THAT COULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT SOMEWHERE EVEN IN THOSE LOCATIONS, EVEN THOUGH ON OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS OF A MUNICIPALITY.BUT MY ADDRESS IS THE MUNICIPALITY.
I HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH HAVING TO SAY MY MY ADDRESSES ORIGINALLY, AND I CAN'T BENEFIT FROM ANYTHING OF THE MUNICIPALITY OTHER THAN THE MAILING ADDRESS.
BUT I HAVE AREAS OF PROPERTIES, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BACK HERE TALK ABOUT, I HAVE A LOT OF WOODED WETLANDS, UNPARKABLE FOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN TO LOOK AT TO LOOK AT AND PAY TAXES.
>> WELL, THIS IS WHY I'M INTERESTED IN THE REZONING.
OF COURSE, THIS IS THE SAME THING, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROSPER HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT CAME [OVERLAPPING].
>> AND YOU CAN'T EVEN DIG THAT UP.
>> THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CAROLINE COUNTY THAT ARE IN MY SAME POSITION, PROPERTY OWNERS.
>> I THINK THIS IS WHERE THEY COME IN WITH THIS IDEA OF THEY WOULD GET THIS PROPERTY AND ITS VILLAGE CENTER, BUT FOR THE MINI STORAGE, THEN THEY GO, THAT'S NOT EVEN LOUD.
THAT'S DUMB. WHY DIDN'T WE DO THAT? IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S LIKE, [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS DUMB.
>> THEY SAID, CAN WE TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS?
>> WE SAID THAT IT WAS LIKE [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT TAKES A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BRING YOU BACK A BILL, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU BACK IS SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE TO DECIDE ON, AND IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT, THEN WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND WE'LL WORKSHOP IT WITH THEM, AND THEN IT'LL MOVE ON INTO A BILL FOR INTRODUCTION AT THAT POINT.
>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. NOW, YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION.
>> I'M DONE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER DRAFT CONDITIONS FOR A POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENT ABOUT MINI STORAGE BEING ALLOWED IN THE VC ZONED AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANYBODY? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE.
>> ALL OPPOSED. HEARING NONE, IT PASSES PLEASE.
>> AYES HAVE IT. YOU GUYS GOT ANOTHER THING TO ADDED TO YOUR LIST.
[Economic Development Chapter - Final Draft]
[OVERLAPPING].>> ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FINAL BID.
>> YES. I BROUGHT THIS TO YOU ALL IN SEPTEMBER, AND THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, I HAVE OUTLINED THAT IN THE SUMMARY IN MY STAFF REPORT, SO I'LL GO OVER THOSE REAL QUICK.
IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 1 OF THE CHAPTER, THE THIRD BULLET WAS REVISED TO INCLUDE MORE DETAILED LANGUAGE TO STRENGTHEN THE COUNTY'S COMMITMENT TO FOSTERING PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN STUDENTS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY THROUGH APPRENTICESHIPS AND INTERNSHIPS.
THEN IF YOU GO TO PAGE 14 FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION, THAT THIRD BULLET WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT THE REVISED GOAL STATEMENT FOR CONSISTENCY.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT IN EVERY CHAPTER THAT THE OBJECTIVES AND THE GOALS, AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMPLEMENTATION, THEY MATCH.
THAT IMPLEMENTATION WILL BE FOR THAT GOAL.
PAGE 3, IF YOU LOOK UNDER NEW INDUSTRIES ROOTED IN AGRICULTURE, THERE WAS NO DESCRIPTION, IT WENT STRAIGHT INTO WHAT THEY WERE, I JUST ADDED A DESCRIPTIVE OVERVIEW THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR WHAT THOSE NEW INDUSTRIES WERE THAT WERE OUTLINED UNDER THAT SECTION, WHICH IS AGROTOURISM, AND I BELIEVE CANNABIS.
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YES. PAGE 13, AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ALL YOUR PAGES OUT, I'M THE ONE FUMBLING HERE. SORRY.>> YOU ADDED CANNABIS? THAT WASN'T IN THE LAST ONE.
>> OH, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT FOR THE LAST DRAFT.
>> OH, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT FOR THE LAST DRAFT.
>> NO. THESE ARE NEW AGROTOURISM INDUSTRIES.
>> BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
THERE WAS NO PARAGRAPH OR ANY DESCRIPTION UNDER THE TERM NEW INDUSTRIES ROOTED IN AGRICULTURE.
IT JUST WENT RIGHT INTO AGROTOURISM AND CANNABIS, SO I JUST ADDED SOME WORDING IN THERE JUST TO GIVE IT MORE CONTEXT.
I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
I TRY TO LOOK AT THESE AS IF I WAS SOMEBODY READING THEM THAT DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CAROLINE COUNTY AND THE LIKES.
>> IT'S HARD TO RE READ WHAT YOU WRITE.
>> AMEN. IT'S HARD TO EVEN SAY IT SOMETIMES.
ON PAGE 13, UNDER THE LOCAL WORKFORCE INITIATIVES, YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED TO OUTLINE THE CURRENT OPPORTUNITIES AND THE GAPS IN THE EDUCATION AND THE WORKFORCE TRAINING FOR STUDENTS PURSUING LOCAL AND REGIONAL CAREERS.
I PUT IN THEIR EMPHASIS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF CONNECTING STUDENTS WITH BUSINESSES THROUGH APPRENTICESHIPS AND INTERNSHIPS.
SPECIFIC PROGRAM DETAILS WERE NOT LISTED BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO EVOLVE OVER TIME.
THIS IS GOING TO BE IN PLACE FOR TEN YEARS, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET THAT SPECIFIC IN HERE, AND SOME OF THOSE GO AWAY OR MORE BE ADDED.
BUT I GAVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT EXISTS AND WHAT THEIR FUTURE NEEDS ARE, SO THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED, AND THESE ELEMENTS ARE ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE GOALS AND IMPLEMENTATION PORTIONS OF THIS CHAPTER.
YOU'LL SEE AN ITALICS UNDER THAT, THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN A LIST THAT WILL ASSIGN THE DEPARTMENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES, AND WILL ALSO ESTABLISH SOME BENCHMARKS FOR PROGRESS REVIEW OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS IN PREPARATION FOR THAT NEXT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WHEN YOU ALL GET THE REVIEW OF THE OVERALL FULL DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
EVERY COUNTY WHEN THEY PUT THESE PLANS TOGETHER, THEY WANT AND THEY MEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THEM.
THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME, WHETHER IT'S ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, IT COULD BE DIFFERENT POLITICS THAT COME INTO PLACE, DIFFERENT REGULATIONS THAT COMPLETELY CHANGE WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND EVEN IN ZONING CODES, AS WE WELL KNOW, AND THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS, YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THESE THINGS, AND WE ALL KNOW HOW FAST TIME GOES BY.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOME CHECKLIST THAT SAYS, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TRYING TO KEEP THAT ON TRACK AND THEN LOOKING AT WHAT PROGRESS ARE WE MAKING AND WHY AREN'T WE MAKING ANY PROGRESS? OR HEY, WE'RE DOING SO GREAT ON THIS, WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THIS AND COMPLETE THIS, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU DO GO BACK TEN YEARS FROM NOW, YOU LOOK AND YOU GO, HEY, DID THIS EVER GET DONE? NO, WHY NOT? DID THIS EVER GET DONE? I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
YOU MAY NOT ACHIEVE ALL OF THEM, AND THAT'S OKAY, IT'S LIKE MY TO DO LIST.
EVERY DAY I START A LIST OF 20 THINGS, AND I'M LUCKY IF I GET THREE OR FOUR DONE BUT AT LEAST I'VE GOT THEM THERE, I'M TRYING TO GET THEM ACHIEVED, AND SOMETIMES I GET MOVED TO THE NEXT DAY.
YOU ALL WILL SEE THAT AT THE END.
THEN ON PAGE 15, THE VERY FIRST BULLET, THAT WAS UPDATED TO INCLUDE INVOLVEMENT AND COORDINATION WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES.
THEN I ALSO ADDED SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE TO SUPPORT THE EXPANSION AND ENHANCEMENT OF EXISTING EVENTS AND FESTIVALS.
I AM LOOKING FOR ANY CHANGES OR REVISIONS TO THESE AMENDMENTS, AND HOPEFULLY APPROVAL FOR THIS TO BE THE FINAL DRAFT UNTIL WE COME BACK NEXT YEAR WITH THE WHOLE PACKAGE.
>> LOOKS GOOD TO ME. I'M SURE THERE'S SOMEWHERE IN HERE, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A CHANGE.
>> YOU CAN'T WRITE THIS MANY PAGES AND NOT HAVE A CHANGE.
>> WELL, AND IT'S LIKE WE SAID LAST NIGHT AT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING, AND WE'VE SAID ALL ALONG, WHETHER IT'S TO THE PUBLIC OR WHEN THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS HERE,
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IF THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS OR THINGS THAT COME UP BETWEEN NOW AND THE ACTUAL COMPLETE DRAFT BEING FINISHED, EVEN ON THE CHAPTERS THAT YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED AT AND APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S STILL THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES BECAUSE THIS WILL GO OUT TO THE DIRECTORS OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY, IT'S GOING TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT, AND IT WILL ALSO GO UP TO MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING, WHO ALSO SENDS IT OUT TO FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES.>> YEAH. THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING BACK AND FILTERING THROUGH SO WHEN WE FINALLY GET TO THE END, ANY OF THOSE CHANGES OR RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS WILL BE REFLECTED DEPENDING ON WHO IT IS, IT'LL BE ADDED INTO THOSE CHAPTERS, BUT THEY WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED AND YOU CAN COMMENT ACCORDINGLY, OR THERE WILL BE A SUMMARY ATTACHED.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMMENTS THAT COME BACK FROM THE STATE ARE GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE DRAFT, I'M NOT PUTTING THEM IN UNTIL YOU ALL REVIEW THEM AND SAY WHAT YOU WANT ADDED OR DON'T ADD IT AT ALL, SAME WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WILL GET THE WHOLE BIG POTPOURY BAG TO LOOK AT.
I'M SORRY. I THINK I'M LOSING MY VOICE.
I THINK I TALKED TOO MUCH LAST NIGHT.
>> I'M SORRY. I MISSED THIS I MUST HAVE NOT BEEN AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, THAT'S WHY I MISSED THE CANNABIS THING.
THE ONLY THING I REALLY SEE IS THE TOURISM ASPECT.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE, AND I COULD TOTALLY BE WRONG, THAT TOURISM IS THAT BIG OF A PART OF OUR ECONOMY.
YOU THINK ABOUT TOURISM, WE'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST LIKE KENT ISLAND AND ST. MICHAEL'S AND EASTON AND SUSSEX COUNTY.
>> THAT'S WHAT'S DEFINED AS TOURISM.
>> WELL, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TOURISM? IS IT COMING IN HERE AND EATING IN A RESTAURANT?
>> YOU'RE JUST TOURING AROUND, ENJOYING THE SCENIC.
>> LIKE TUCKAHOE STATE PARK. RIGHT.
>> OR EVEN RIDING THROUGH THE FARM LAND.
>> THAT'S WHAT OLIVIA KEPT SAYING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WINDS AND WATCH THE COWS, WHY DO YOU EAT THEIR ICE CREAM?
>> AND TRY NOT TO TAP THE ELECTRIC FENCE, YEAH.
>> YEAH, EXACTLY, BY THE ELECTRIC FENCE.
>> BUT THAT'S IN SUSSEX COUNTY.
>> I THINK IT'S GROWING IN OUR COUNTY.
>> THE TOURISM THAT I THINK OF IS 404 ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON OR FRIDAY, THAT'S OUR TOURISM.
THEY GO FROM ONE END OF THE COUNTY TO THE OTHER.
>> THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
>> BUT WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN TOO LONG.
>> OUR TOURISM IS THE ROYAL FARM STORE THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN GET IN DOWN HERE AT THE END OF 16 ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.
>> BUT I CAN PICTURE SOMEBODY COMING OUT OF BALTIMORE, ANNAPOLIS AND TO COME OVER HERE AND STOP ALONG THE ROAD AND SEE TWO COMBINES GOING ACROSS A FIELD WITH A GRAIN WAGON HOOKED TO A TRACTOR RUNNING WITH IT.
>> THE WAY YOU GO UP TO LANCASTER AND LOOK AT THE ALMA.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK.
>> WELL, THERE'S SOME OTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO.
>> WE HAVE A LOT OF RVS BACK THERE.
>> THEY PARK IT. THEY SEE IT, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY A LOT OF THEM ARE RIDING IN.
>> THE STATES GETTING ALL THAT MONEY CAUSE THEY'RE NOT RIDING INTO [INAUDIBLE] BAR OR ANYTHING.
>> NO. I HAVE TO UTILIZE THE AREA WHERE YOU DUMP THE VEHICLES CAUSE I HAVE TO DUMP MY RVS, AND I GET IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BECAUSE WE ALL LINKED UP AND LINED UP TRYING TO GET ANYTHING.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE COME FROM A DISTANCE.
THEY SAY THEY COME ALL THE WAY FROM PENNSYLVANIA DOWN HERE TO TUCKAHOE AND PARKED THEIR RVS, AND I'M LIKE, OH.
SO I'M THINKING LIKE YOU TRAVIS.
>> THAT'S WHAT WAS NEEDED, CAUSE SEE, WE DON'T SEE IT.
>> I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT THEY COME RUNNING THEIR RV IN SOMEBODY'S YARD.
A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS A NIGHT TO RENT AN RV STAY IN YOUR SIDE YARD, HOOKED TO YOUR GARAGE SO THEY CAN GO OUT AND RUN AROUND THESE FIELDS BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN A ROW HOUSE SOMEWHERE.
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IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.>> WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY A, IT'S HERITAGE I'D HAVE TO GET THE NAME OF IT AGAIN, FRIENDS OF MINE WHO HAVE AN RV WERE TELLING ME ON THEIR LAST TRIP THAT THEY DID.
>> YOU PAY $69-$100, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT.
IF YOU HAVE AN RV, YOU CAN PARK AT DIFFERENT FARMS AND WINERIES AND BREWERIES.
THEY WANT YOU TO SPEND MONEY IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THERE THAT IS A PRODUCT THAT YOU CAN BUY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
THE MAP, IT'S ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, AND THERE'S A TON OF IT.
THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE HERE, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WITH TOURISM IS, WHAT DO YOU ALREADY HAVE AS FAR AS THE NATURAL FEATURES: ANY OF THE WATER ACCESS POINTS, YOUR BIKING TRAILS, WALKING, NOT NECESSARILY MY THING, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY GET INTO, I WANT TO GO HERE, I WANT TO DO THESE TRAILS.
I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE WHO TRIES TO DO 52 TRAILS A YEAR.
TRIES A DIFFERENT ONE EVERY WEEK.
NOT ME. I'LL MEET YOU AT THE BAR.
LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE, BUT REALLY EXPAND ON THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES OVER HERE THAT YOU COULD BE DOING ALL DIFFERENT FESTIVALS AND MUSIC AND THE CORN MAZES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT FALL EVENTS AND THE CHRISTMAS, AND THEN THE SPRING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WITH THE TOURISM, YOU WANT PEOPLE COMING HERE, SPENDING THEIR MONEY.
THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY AT THE EVENT, THEY GO SPEND THEIR MONEY AT WALMART BECAUSE THEY'VE FORGOT TO PACK THREE THINGS.
THEY GO EAT SOMEWHERE, THEY BUY GAS.
THEY STAY AT A HOTEL OR AN AIRBNB.
MAYBE EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT STAYING THE WHOLE TIME HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY, THEY'RE IN AND OUT, AND THEY GO HOME, AND THEY'RE NOT PUTTING A BURDEN ON YOUR SCHOOLS, ON YOUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY WANT TO GET.
I WON'T REPEAT WHAT I GOT ACCUSED OF LAST NIGHT, BUT THE TOURISM IS A WAY TO GET THAT INFLUX OF THE MONEY AND KEEP HOUSING TO THE LIMIT OF WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR LOCAL CITIZENS, AND MILD COMMERCIAL COMING IN AND NOT HAVING TO RAISE TAXES AT THE END OF THE DAY.
I SOUND LIKE I'M AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT [LAUGHTER] RIGHT?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PC DRAFT HERE OR WHATEVER.
>> ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FINAL DRAFT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO ACCEPT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS A FINAL DRAFT.
>> ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> NOW, I GUESS I WAS HERE [LAUGHTER] THE NEXT THING ON OUR ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS,
[Zoning Text Amendments]
DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS CLOSED SESSION BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THIS STUFF, OR WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?>> WE CAN DO ALL THIS DEPARTMENT UPDATE, THE BCA.
>> YOU'RE GOING OUT. HUH? [BACKGROUND] YOU'RE GOING OUT FROM SORRY.
THE ZONING. I DO IT ALL THE TIME.
>> THE TEXT AMENDMENT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE FIRST TWO.
>> WE DON'T NEED CLOSED SESSION FOR THE FIRST TWO.
THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. WE'LL DO THE FIRST TWO.
THE FIRST ONE IS AGRICULTURE LAND COMPENSATORY PRESERVATION FUND.
[Agricultural Land Compensatory Preservation Fund]
TRAVIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HELP US OUT WITH THIS.I ASSUME YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETHING.
>> I THINK TECHNICALLY I TALKED TO CRYSTAL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS TODAY.
I DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO RUN IT BY STEWART, BUT TECHNICALLY BECAUSE IT IS A FEE, DOES IT HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION? WE'LL ACCEPT THEM.
>> I DIDN'T THINK IT DID, BUT I THOUGHT BECAUSE IT'S CLOSELY ENOUGH RELATED TO WHAT OTHER BILLS THEY ARE GIVING YOU RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, I DIDN'T SEE ANY HARM.
>> BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE GOT IS DRAFT LEGISLATION THAT CRYSTAL AND STEWART HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SEEMS LIKE ETERNITY NOW.
WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS SPLIT THE SOLAR APART,
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AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER BILL THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON TO ADDRESS SETBACKS, CITING, ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WE BASICALLY GOT PREEMPTED ON AND SOME THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T LIKE CARVE OUT FOR LIKE ACCESSORY USE LIKE ROGER, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT SOLAR PANELS TO POWER YOUR FARM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPOSE ALL THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT WE WOULD FOR COMMERCIAL.IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL IT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL.
BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING THE FEE AND ALL THAT IN ONE BILL, WHICH IS VERY HARD TO KEEP STRAIGHT AND UNDERSTAND ALL THE CHANGES IN MOVING PARTS, STEWART AND CRYSTAL DECIDED TO SPLIT IT OUT.
WE NOW HAVE A BILL THAT'S CREATING A FUND AND A FEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT ON SOLAR AND USE FOR AGLAND PRESERVATION.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL ADDRESS SIGHTING SETBACKS, SCREENING, ALL THE OTHER STUFF IN A SEPARATE BILL.
WHAT THIS DOES IS BASICALLY CREATES A FEE, CRYSTAL YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT WE AGREED ON PROPOSED.
YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR SHOT AT IT AND THEN I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
>> THERE'S NOT A DOLLAR AMOUNT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A NUMBER.
>> WE DISCUSSED DOING MOUTH, BUT WE FELT THE MOUTH PROCESS WAS TOO VAGUE.
I THINK IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET AN ACTUAL HOW THEY DO IT OUT OF THEM, LESLIE, CRYSTAL?
>> WE DID ACTUALLY GET AN ANSWER.
YOU DO HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, SOMEONE FROM QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR HOW THEY'RE DOING THAT, WE CAN HEAR THAT TONIGHT.
>> THE LAST WE LEFT IT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO JUST HAVE TWO APPRAISALS DONE, GET AWAY FROM THE MOUTH ALTOGETHER, JUST HAVE TWO APPRAISALS DONE, AVERAGE THOSE TWO APPRAISALS, AND THEN ESTABLISH THE COMPENSATORY FEE BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THAT APPRAISAL.
>> FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISAL.
>> AT ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
>> IF ANY PORTION OF THE AREA BEING UTILIZED FOR THE SOLAR PROJECT CONTAINS ANY VITAL FARMLAND, AND VITAL FARMLAND WOULD BE DEFINED AS USDA DESIGNATED PRIME OR STATEWIDE REPORT.
>> ESSENTIALLY, IF A GOVERNMENT AGENCY DESIGNATES THAT FARM LAND AS SOME TYPE OF IMPORTANCE.
IT'S PRODUCTIVE ENOUGH THAT EITHER THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS PUT SOME TYPE OF DESIGNATION ON IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE A FEE FOR THE ENTIRE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE'RE NOT JUST CHARGING IT ON JUST THE PART THAT HAS THE DESIGNATION.
IF ANY PART OF THE PROJECT AREA HAS A DESIGNATION, WE WANT TO CHARGE THE FEE ON THE ENTIRE PARCEL THAT'S AFFECTED.
>> THAT'S THE PROJECT AREA AND THE FEE WOULD BE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THAT ACREAGE.
>> WE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE SIMPLER, BUT IF WE WANT TO HEAR THE MOUTH, HOW QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.
>> HOW DO YOU DETERMINE FAIR MARKET VALUE? IS IT FARMLAND? IS IT DEVELOPMENT?
>> YOU WANT TO YEP. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. PLEASE PLEASE TELL US.
>> MY NAME IS DO ANA SMITH, AND I AM THE AGRICULTURAL SPECIALIST IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.
THAT I TALKED TO HANNAH THIS MORNING.
WE WENT THROUGH MARYLAND TOGETHER, AND SHE CALLED ME THIS MORNING.
I ALSO HAD TALKED TO LARRY PORTER BEFORE ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING IN ROSBERG.
OH GOSH, SIX MONTHS AGO, I GUESS.
WE HAD KEVIN ADDIS THERE FROM MARYLAND DEPARTMENT B.
LARRY WAS THERE. WE PROBABLY HAD 60 OR 70 PEOPLE.
WE WERE STRUGGLING IN THE COUNTY IN THE SAME AS YOU ALL ARE WITH HOW DO WE DO THIS? THE BIGGEST CONCERN OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN CAROLINE COUNTY WAS, HOW DO WE DO THIS AND GET THIS FUND AND NOT GET SUED? THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART.
I'VE BEEN DOING MOUTH FOR 20 YEARS, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN PENANCE COUNTY.
ACTUALLY, I GET VERY RETIRED IN TWO WEEKS.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SECURE $100 MILLION FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
THAT'S HOW EFFECTIVE WE HAVE BEEN.
THERE'S BEEN THREE STEPS ON THIS SOLAR PROCESS THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED.
OUR ON COUNTY COMMISSIONER JACK WILSON IS ON MAGO.
HE HAS ALWAYS SAID, LET'S JUMP AHEAD OF THIS.
BECAUSE, IF WE HAVE TO DO THIS, WHICH IT IS NOW LAW,
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WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN GAIN SOMETHING FROM IT AS A COUNTY, BECAUSE IF IF THE STATE IS GOING TO IMPOSE THIS REGULATION TO TAKE PART OF OUR PRIMARY PRESERVATION AREA FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY, HOW CAN THE COUNTY BENEFIT? THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID AS A COUNTY AND WE PUT IN OUR COUNTY CODE IS FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND AG TRANSFER TAX, WHICH FUNDS MOUTH, WHICH FUNDS LAND PRESERVATION.WHEN YOU TAKE A PIECE OF LAND OUT OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION, AND PUT PUT IT INTO RESIDENTIAL USE, THERE'S A 5% TAX THAT'S PAID ON THAT TRANSITION.
THAT 5% TAX IS PAID TO THE MARYLAND AGRICULTURAL LAND PRESERVATION FOUNDATION THAT IS RESTRICTED ONLY FOR USE FOR LAND PRESERVATION.
THAT'S OUR FIRST FUNDING SOURCE.
AS WE ALL KNOW, WHEN THE BUILDING BOOM FELL IN THE LATE 2000S, OUR AG TRANSFER TAX WENT DOWN EXPONENTIALLY.
WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF AG TRANSFER TAX.
BACK IN THE EARLY 2000S, WE WERE BRINGING IN YOU KNOW, MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR.
BUT NOW WE'RE LIKE, OUR LAST YEAR, 2024, AG TRANSFER TAX IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY WAS $39,000 FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.
IT'S NOT MUCH. YOU CAN'T DO MUCH FOR THAT.
WHEN THESE PROPERTIES ARE TRANSFERRED FROM AG USE IN THE SOLAR USE, THE ZONING CHANGES INTO A COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH NUMBER ONE, THAT AFFECTS YOUR PROPERTY TAXES TREMENDOUSLY.
YOU GO FROM THE A USE TRANSFER TAX, BUT OUR LANDOWNERS HAVE FOUND THAT THEY PASSED THAT ALONG TO WHOEVER OWNS THAT PROJECT.
THE LAND OWNERS DON'T PAY THAT PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THEY GO UP UNBELIEVABLE.
WE PUT THAT ON THE BACK THE BACKS OF THE SOLAR COMPANY OR THE ENERGY COMPANY.
THEN ALSO THAT'S REVENUE COMING INTO THE COUNTY OF THE COMMERCIAL USE.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO PAY THAT 5% TRANSFER TAX BECAUSE THEY'RE TRANSFERRING FROM AG USE INTO A COMMERCIAL USE. THAT CAN BE HUGE.
IT DEPENDS ON, LIKE YOU SAID, THE PROJECT AREA, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE PARCEL OF THE PROJECT AREA.
YOU GOT 150 ACRE PIECE OF LAND, 50 ACRES OF SOLAR, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY ALL THE 50 ACRES THAT THEY PUT INTO SOLAR, INCLUDING THE DRIVEWAYS, LANDSCAPING, THE FENCING, THE WHOLE 9 YARDS.
IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD SUBSTATION, SO THAT GOES INTO EFFECT ALSO.
THE COUNTY ALSO CHARGES AN ANNUAL FEE FOR BEING A SOLAR RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECT.
THAT CONTINUES FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT.
WE DO GET THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE GET THE COMMERCIAL TAX, WE GET THE AG TRANSFER TAX, THEN WE GET THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
NOW, WHEN THE LAW CAME DOWN THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT 5%, 3% OR WHATEVER OUR PPA WAS, THAT'S A LOT.
SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL NEED TO CONSIDER TOO IS WE HAVE YET TO HAVE ANYONE TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THAT 5% IS UP.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN GREEN ANNE'S COUNTY, OUR PPA IS 200,000 ACRES.
WE'VE GOT 93,000 ACRES PRESERVES.
ARE THEY TAKING 5% OF THE REMAINING HUNDRED 17,000 THAT'S UNENCUMBERED BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PUT COMMERCIAL SOLAR ON AN EASEMENT PROCESS. THAT IS NOT PERMITTED.
OR DO YOU TAKE IT OF THE ORIGINAL 200,000 ACRES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER TO.
AS THE COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL REALLY NEED TO PUSH FORWARD AND FIGURE OUT HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE? THAT'S A BIG THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.
WE'RE THROWING AROUND NUMBERS.
THE COMPENSATORY FUND, WE STARTED OUT AS CALLING IN AN IMPACT PHASE.
THEN WE THOUGHT, WE PAY IMPACT FEES IN PENANCE COUNTY OR HOUSES IMPACTS ON ROADS, SERVICES, AND SCHOOLS, AND PARKS. YOU DON'T WANT TO GET SUED.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO GET SUED. WE'RE NOT CALLING IT ANOTHER IMPACT FEE.
WE'RE CALLING IT THE AGRICULTURAL COMPENSATORY FUND BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPACT ON AGRICULTURE.
WE A SAT DOWN AND MYSELF AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAS TAKEN MY PLACE SAT DOWN WITH THE DIRECTOR OF PENANCE COUNTY AMY AND LANE PLANNER STEPHANIE.
WE THOUGHT ABOUT, HOW CAN WE DO THIS, THAT THE NUMBER IS CONSISTENT AND IT AND IT'S FAIR.
WE HAD MET WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND UNDER MOUTH, THE QUALIFYING SOL THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOR MOUTH TO BE FUNDED IS LAST ONE LAST CLASS THREE SOL.
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LAST ONE IS YOUR BEST. CLASS 2 IS GREAT SOILS.IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FARMING, CLASS ONE GROWS 200 PUSHES OF WORN.
CLASS 2 GROWS 175 BUSHELS, CLASS 325 PUSH.
THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THOUGHT, LET'S START WITH CLASS 1 SOILS AND ONLY CHARGE THIS FEE, THE COMPENSATORY FEE ON CLASS ONE SOILS.
BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE IT FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT AREA, IT'S GOING TO RAISE A RED FLAG, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY YOUR TOO HIGH.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COURT, AND WE'RE GOING TO CHALLENGE THIS.
THEY DECIDED TO ONLY START FOR CLASS ONE SO.
WE USE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISAL FOR MOUTH.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO HIRING APPRAISAL AND PAY ALL THAT MONEY.
IT GETS A COST WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2024, ANNE'S COUNTY SUBMITTED 18 FORMS FOR LAND PRESERVATION.
EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES GETS TWO APPRAISALS FROM.
THEY ONLY APPRAISE THE ROLE LAND.
THERE'S NO HOUSES, NO BUILDINGS, NO STRUCTURES TO GET APPRAISED, IT'S JUST LAND.
YOU HAVE THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE INFORMATION ALREADY PROVIDED TO.
YOUR MOUTH ADMINISTRATOR IN THE COUNTY HAS THAT INFORMATION.
MOUTH PROVIDES THAT AVERAGE OF THOSE 36 APPRAISALS FOR OUR COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RIM HAD AT THAT TIME. I WANT TO SAY IT'S 15.
YOU WOULD HAVE 30 APPRAISALS ALREADY DONE ALREADY PAID FOR. THE CURRENT.
>> OUR CONCERN WAS THAT THE AG LAND PRESERVATION IS BEING PURCHASED ON WOODLAND AND THE FIELD, BUT SOLAR ONLY AFFECTS THE FIELD.
WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THE MOUTH APPRAISAL WOULD BE SKEWED LOWER BY THE WOODLAND THAT IS EFFECTIVE.
THEY DO NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE WOOD LAND AND THE CLEAR LAND.
>> I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OUR 2024 FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISED AVERAGE WAS 11,544.
>> I THINK OURS IS ONLY LIKE 7,300 THOUGH.
BUT FARMS ARE GOING FOR 10,000.
YOU'RE NOT BUYING ANYTHING FOR 7,300 RIGHT NOW, ARE YOU HANNAH?
>>SO [INAUDIBLE] HAS COME UNDER THE [INAUDIBLE] A PRICE OF VALUE THAT THEY PROVIDE, THE STATE PUTS A CAP 75%.
THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY WILL PAY.
SO THEY [OVERLAPPING] DECIDE SINCE THAT WAS ALREADY IN [INAUDIBLE] AND ITS [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT SAME PATHWAY ON CLASS ONE SOIL.
>> CORRECT. SO THAT WAY IT'S ALL READY IN [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT'S ALL READY MORE WHEN IT COMES OUT.
SO THAT EQUATED TO 8,658 AN ACRE FOR CLASS ONE SOIL.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, WE'VE ALL READY PUT IT IN PLACE, BEEN ADOPTED AND PASSED THROUGH [INAUDIBLE].
IF YOU GO THROUGH THE PLAN COMMISSION BEFORE THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION WITH CALCULATION.
WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE BEST ROUTE TO GO, ONCE AGAIN TO FOLLOW A PROCEDURE AND NOT GET CHALLENGED.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CAME UP WITH THIS PROPOSAL, PUSHED IT BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION TO TALK ABOUT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A VALUE THAT WILL COME FROM [INAUDIBLE],AND [INAUDIBLE] ALSO PROVIDES THAT SAME VALUE TO RURAL LEGACY.
I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS RURAL LEGACY AREAS AS WELL.
THEY USE THE SAME FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISAL FOR [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT, AND THE COE START GOING IN NOW.
THEY USE THE SAME FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISAL THAT MAP PROVIDES.
THE ONLY DISADVANTAGE TO THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IS A YEAR ARREARS.
AND THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE CORRECT APPRAISAL, BECAUSE THE MAP CYCLE HAS NOT ENDED.
UNTIL THAT MAP CYCLE ENDS, THEN THOSE NUMBERS ARE PUBLISHED.
THEY'RE NOT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION BECAUSE OF PRIVACY MATTERS.
WE CAN'T PUBLISHED THOSE CRIME APPRAISAL VALUES BECAUSE UNTIL PEOPLE GET THEIR OFFERS AND THEY SETTLE AND ALL [INAUDIBLE] IT'S NOT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
SO YOU DO WORK IN A YEAR OF ARREARS.
I KNOW THAT [INAUDIBLE] FAIR MARKET VALUE OF [INAUDIBLE] FOR
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2025 WENT UP BY ABOUT 800,000 AN ACRE. SO [INAUDIBLE] AND SOMETHING AN ACRE.AND I WOULD IMAGINE CAROLINE WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
AND THOSE APPRAISALS ARE BASED ON WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PROPERTY AND THERE'S A FARM THAT'S 200 ACRES.
THEY LOOK AT THE VICINITY AROUND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT'S SIMILAR IN SIZE.
THEY TRY TO GET A 200 ACRE FARM THAT HAS SIMILAR CROP LAND AND WOODLAND RATIO.
THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SOMETIMES [INAUDIBLE] HARDER BECAUSE A LOT OF FARM LAND DOESN'T SELL.
SO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO EXPAND THE AREA OR EXPAND THE YEAR BACK TWO OR THREE YEARS.
BUT FARM LAND HAS BEEN PRETTY STEADY.
IT'S VERY CONSISTENT AS FAR AS VALUE.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN A BIG DROP IN FARM LAND PRICES.
WE'VE SEEN A LIKE A SMALL UPTICK, PROBABLY ABOUT 5% FROM WHAT THEY WERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY IRONIC, THEY WAS SAYING THINGS GO CYCLE BACK [INAUDIBLE] 2000 FARM PUSH OUT FOR 10 TO $1,000 AN ACRE, AND WE'RE BACK AT SAME SPOT AGAIN.
AFTER THE HOUSING MARKET TOOK A DEEP, WHICH DROP BY ABOUT 30%, BUT WE'VE KIND OF KICKED BACK UP TO THAT SAME VALUE BACK IN THE EARLY 2000.
>>SO THE APPRAISED VALUE IS COLLECTED FROM ALL OF THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE DONE THAT CYCLE IN THE COUNTY.
SO IN NORMAL YEARS, THAT'S TEN TO 20 TO 30 PER COUNTY.
>> WE'VE NEVER HAD 30, THE HIGHEST THAT WE'VE EVER HAD HAS BEEN 20.
WITH THE DROP IN FUNDING, WE'RE ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO GET MAYBE YOU CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND THE NUMBER OF EASEMENTS.
IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO DO THE AVERAGE BASED ON A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER OF FARMS? IS THAT AS ACCURATE AS WHEN YOU HAVE A NICE BIG SOLID NUMBER?
>>YES. I WOULD SAY THAT THE BIGGER NUMBER IS BETTER BECAUSE IT SUCH AN EXPANSIVE AREA.
[OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE COVERING ALL THE ENTIRE ACCOUNT.
IT'S A GENERAL PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
>>I KNOW THAT WAS ONE CONCERN IS THAT THE SMALLER NUMBER OF EASEMENTS BECAUSE MATH IS GOING TO BASE IT ON HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE, WHETHER IT'S 2 OR 20.
>> [OVERLAPPING] DID THE STATE SUBSIDIZE PRIOR TO THIS YEAR, WERE THEY SUBSIDIZING THE [INAUDIBLE] PROGRAM WITH ANOTHER GENERAL FUND REVENUE?
>>NO. WE HAD THAT HUGE PART OF MONEY IN 24, THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM GOVERNOR HOGAN.
AND WE GOT $95 MILLION STATEWIDE.
THAT'S THE HIGHEST ALLOCATION OF MONEY WE'VE EVER HAD.
>>BUT DID THAT COME FROM THE 5% TRANSFER TAX? SO DID THE GOVERNOR RAID THAT THIS TIME?
>>THE OTHER FUNDING SOURCE TO IS PROGRAM OF OPEN SPACE GETS MONEY FROM ANY [INAUDIBLE] NOT JUST ACT TRANSFER TAX.
SO WHEN SOMEONE GOES IN AND APPLIES FOR A MARRIAGE LICENSE, THAT GETS RECORDED.IF SOMEONE GOES IN AND REPORT A NEW DEED.
THAT PART OF THAT MONEY GOES THROUGH THE PROGRAM OPEN SPACE.
>>DEED OF TRUST, ANYTHING THAT GETS RECORDED PART OF THAT MONEY GOES INTO PROGRAM OPEN SPACE WHICH ALSO FUNDS MART
>>RIGHT. SO THE 5% TRANSFER TAX HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED.
THAT STILL GOES IN, IS THAT COUNTY BY COUNTY OR DOES THAT GO INTO A STATE.
SO WHATEVER HAPPENS IN CAROLINE GETS RELOCATED BACK INTO [INAUDIBLE] IN CAROLINE ONLY?
>>PART OF THAT IS IF YOU WERE A CERTIFIED COUNTY, WOULD YOU HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA, YOU GET TO RETAIN 80% OF YOUR TRANSFER TAX.
[OVERLAPPING] PERCENT GETS SENT TO THE STATE.
THAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS SUBMITTED BY EVERY COUNTY IS PUT INTO ONE LARGE FUND, AND THEN EQUALLY DISPERSED BACK INTO THE 23 COUNTIES.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY KEEPING 80%, BUT YOU'RE STILL GETTING BACK PART OF THE OTHER 20%.
SO THAT'S WHEN [INAUDIBLE] SAYS TO THE STATE TO EVERY PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR, WE GOT $45 MILLION TO SPEND THIS YEAR.
THAT GETS CUT IN HALF, THAT GETS EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED AMONG THE 23 COUNTIES, AND THEN THE COUNTIES THAT ARE CERTIFIED, GET PART OF THAT OTHER 50%.
AND WHEN THE COUNTY PUTS IN MONEY FOR MATCHING FUNDS, YOU GET MORE BACK FROM THE COUNTY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY TO PUT IN MONEY.
THIS WILL GO INTO THAT FUND THAT WILL HELP YOU WITH THE MATCHING FUNDS.
FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU SPEND OF COUNTY MONEY, YOU GET $2 BACK FROM THE STATE UP TO $1.3 MILLION.
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LAST YEAR WAS A SLIM YEAR.[INAUDIBLE] $6 MILLION BECAUSE WE PUT IN $1.3 MILLION OF OUR COUNTY MONEY, AND THAT WAS THE ACT TRANSFER TAX.
THAT WAS THE ANNUAL FEE, WE HAD ABOUT $175,000 COMING FROM THE ANNUAL SOLAR FEE.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME GENERAL FUNDS.
>>THAT SOLAR FEE? IS THAT YOUR PILOT PROGRAM, OR IS THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
>>THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE PROBABLY FOR RE-USED SINCE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST FIRST SOLAR PROJECTS CAME INTO EFFECT.
>>SO THE FEE AND THEY HAVE A PILOT PAYMENT A LITTLE TAXES ON THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF, BUT THE FEE IS TOTALLY SEPARATE.
>>I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FEE IS, I JUST SPENT IT.[LAUGHTER]
>>HAVE YOU HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE AGAIN, WITH LIMITED POSSIBLE FUNDING, AND POSSIBLY NOT HAVING THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE.
>>WE HAD THE SAME THING HAPPEN TO US WHEN [INAUDIBLE] MALLEY WAS IN PLACE AND HE WAS TRYING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND THE MONEY WAS TAKEN FOR SIX YEARS.
SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING AS ADMINISTRATORS, WE TOOK TWO FISCAL YEARS MONEY AND PUT IT INTO ONE EASEMENT CYCLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW BECAUSE IF WE WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED APPLICATIONS THIS YEAR AND PROCESSED THEM, WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT $400,000 FROM THE SAME.
SO THEY ROLL TWO YEARS FOR THE FISCAL YEARS, AND THEN WE CAN USUALLY MAKE DECENT OFFERS TO MAYBE 4,5,6 FARMS. SO IT WILL COME BACK AROUND.
BUT WE JUST GOT TO GET THROUGH THIS ROUGH PATCH.
>>I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AROUND.
BUT AFTER THAT, WE'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO HIT A FISCAL CLIFF.
NEXT YEAR IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CALM BEFORE THE REAL STORM.
>>THIS FIRST YEAR IN PROBABLY 15 YEARS THAT I HAVE KNOWN THAT WE HAVEN'T GOT MONEY FROM [INAUDIBLE] OR ROLLING.
IT'S BEEN ROUGH, WE HAVE REAPED THE BENEFITS.
>> DO YOU KNOW, ON A SOLAR PROJECT, WHAT THE 5% ACT TRANSFER TAX IS CHARGED ON?.
WHATEVER THE ASSESSMENT OFFICE HAS IT ASSESSED AT? IS IT CHARGED ON THE LEAST.
>>SO IT WOULD BE THE TRANSFER OF THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, SO IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE IF THEY VALUED VACANT AGRICULTURAL LOW VALUE WAS $125,000.
THEY WOULD PUT THAT 5% TAX ON THAT [INAUDIBLE]
>>WHAT DO THEY USE TO GET THE VALUATION? THEY'RE NOT USING THE ASSESSMENT OFFICES EVALUATION, BECAUSE IT'S NEXT TO ANOTHER.
>>THAT REALLY GOOD QUESTION. I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
THAT WOULD BE A FINANCE OFFICE QUESTION.
>>YEAH. I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHERE DID THEY GET THE NUMBER FROM THAT THEY'RE CHARGED BECAUSE IF IT'S THE ASSESSMENT, WHAT THE TAX OFFICE HAS ASSESSED ON, THAT'S 5% ON ENOUGH.
BUT IF THEY'RE USING THE [INAUDIBLE] NUMBER THAT'S BETTER.
BUT IT'S STILL NOT CLOSE TO WHAT STUFF SELLING AT IN CAROLINE.
IT MAY BE RIGHT IN QUEEN ANNE.
SO IS THIS NUMBER BASED OF WHAT FARMERS ARE TAKING? COULD OURS BE LOWER.
>>THAT IS A FAIR MARKET VALUE.THAT'S WHAT THE APPRAISERS ARE SAYING THAT YOU GET [INAUDIBLE] ACRE ON A FARM, IF YOU PUT IT ON THE MARKET.
THERE IS NO CHANGE. PAN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
>>BUT EVEN A YEAR AGO, STUFF WAS SELLING, YOU AREN'T GETTING ANYTHING FOR LESS THAN TEN.
>>AND REMEMBER THAT APPRAISAL IS LAND ONLY, NOT STRUCTURES.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SALE OF A FARM WITH STRUCTURES, THEN YES, THAT IS LOWER. THAT'S LAND ONLY.
>>IT IS LOW. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU ARE GOING TO ANSWER FOR 100%, THAT'S REALLY ON THE BAD
>>YEAH, I KNOW, BUT IT'S ALL GOING THE SAME.
>>AND WE ARE FINDING NOW FORMS OF LAND PRESERVATION ON FOR SELLING FOR THE SAME PRICE?
>>THERE USED TO BE A BIG DISPARITY.
THERE'S THREE PEOPLE BUYING THOSE PRESERVED FARMS. FARMERS, INVESTORS OR HUNTERS THAT WANT TO HUNT.
AND THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF WHO'S BUYING?
>>CAROLINE COUNTY, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FARM SALES IN THE NORTH UNDER THE COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD BETTER UNDER PRESERVATION FOR HUNTING,
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AND THEY'RE SOLD BY AMISH OUT OF PENNSYLVANIA.THEY COME HAND IN HAND, AND THEY BOUGHT A LOT OF FARMS AROUND TEMPLEVILLE, MARRIEDE, HENDERSON AREA.
>>WELL, EVEN 75% OF THIS NUMBER IS $5,400 AN ACRE.
SO YOU BE ABLE TO BUY AN ACRES EASEMENT FOR THAT, I WOULD THINK.
>>I GUARANTEE THAT'S HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR NOW.
>>THE MAJOR CONCERN, I THINK CRYSTAL IS STILL BEEN TOUCHING IF THE [INAUDIBLE] PROCESS DOESN'T GO THROUGH.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE A LARGE TARGET PULL OF POOR INFORMATION.
>>THAT'S BASED ON AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED, NOT ACCEPTED.
>>HE SUBMITTED 18 APPLICATIONS. WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE.
>>AND HE STILL GOES THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AS IF EACH ONE WAS GOING TO GET FUNDED? OKAY.
>>THEY MAY TAKE 15 APPLICATIONS AND ALL GET APPROVE.
>>AND THERE'S NO SHORTAGE.I MEAN, THAT'S A STRONG PROGRAM.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAROLINE HAS ON THE LIST.
I GOT 25,000 ACRE WAIT TO GET FUNDED.
>>IN LIKE YOUR WAITING LIST FOR APPLICANTS.
>>HOW MANY DID YOU SAY HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? LIKE LINED UP TO 60 TO 70.
>>WE'VE GOT 125 FARMS, AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WAIT FOR 20 YEARS.
WE DON'T DO IT IN OUR COUNTY, FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
IT'S QUALITY OF FARM. WE LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF THE SOILS, AND [INAUDIBLE] OF LANDS THAT ARE PRESERVED.
WE'VE GOT ONE BLOCK OF LAND IN QUEEN COUNTY AND IT'S 12,000 ACRES, IT'S CONTINUOUS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE STATE WANTS.
WE WANT TO KEEP AGRICULTURE VIABLE.
AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPOSED ON US AND THEY MAKE US DO IT, LET'S GET SOMETHING FOR.
>>WHY NOT BENEFIT. BUT THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN ME AND [INAUDIBLE].
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE SMART, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU GET CHALLENGED.
>>YEAH, YOU PUT A TARGET ON YOUR BACK.
I HAVE TO I HAVE TO GET THE OTHER TWO COMMISSIONERS TO WATCH THIS.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING BECAUSE SHE HAD MENTIONED, WE WANT TO DO IT AT 100% OF THE VALUE ON THE ENTIRE PROJECT AREA AND I SAID, GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, I HAVE A PROPERTY NEAR ME IT'S WITHIN 4 MILES OF 700 ACRES THAT'S IN SOLAR.
AND IF YOU PUT THAT KIND OF MONEY ON 700 ACRES, THAT SOLAR COMPANY [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY HAS BEEN GOING ON.
>> WE WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE DEVELOPER TO GET THE APPRAISALS DONE.
WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THEM PAY FOR THE APPRAISALS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE GOOD DATA WHETHER MUSS FUNDED OR NOT.
IF THE FUNDING KEEPS GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER, AND WE FIND THIS IS NOT WORKING.
WELL, THEN THE COUNTY JUMPS IN AND DOES THE APPRAISAL. THIS IS DONE FOR YOU.
>> WE GO BACK TO THE OPTION OF WHAT WE PROPOSED LAST WEEK WAS WE GO WITH THE MOUTH BASED CALCULATION.
IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME, THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISAL INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE ANY LONGER, WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE.
>> GENERALLY IN A NORMAL MOUTH YEARS, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISALS BY THE FALL.
BUT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE COMBINED YEAR FISCAL CYCLE, THEY'RE COMING A LITTLE LATER, I WOULD EXPECT YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE THEM ABOUT JANUARY.
THAT THEY WILL BE PUB ACKNOWLEDGE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD OUR SECOND ROUND OFFERS AND THEY SUPPOSED TO BE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING IN OCTOBER.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER, WE HAVE OUR 28TH.
I WOULD SAY WE'LL PROBABLY GET VERY CLOSE TO THE SECOND ROUND OFFERS.
THEN THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND TO OFFERS IN, GETTING EVERYTHING DONE, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT DECEMBER.
I WOULD SAY JANUARY RAISE A GOOD PROBLEM TIME FRAME OF WHEN TO EXPECT THOSE NEW.
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>> THE WAY YOUR SYSTEM IS SET UP, YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO USE THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S NUMBER UNTIL MOUTH ISSUES THE NEXT YEAR'S REPORT.
IMMEDIATELY WHEN THAT REPORT IS ISSUED, THEN YOUR FEE JUMPS UP.
>> IT'S PUT IN THE CODE THAT YOU WILL PAY 75% OF THE MOST CURRENT FAIR MARKET VALUE APPRAISALS.
>> AT WHAT POINT DO YOU LOCK THAT IN? IS IT AT APPLICATION? APPROVAL IS WHEN IT'S DETERMINED.
IF THEY COME IN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A FY 24, BUT BY THE TIME IT'S FINAL APPROVAL.
AT FINAL APPROVAL IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE AT THAT POINT YOU'RE AT FY 25? CORRECT.
>> APPROVAL JUST LIKE PAYING A BUILDING FEE.
>> THAT'S FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
>> THAT FINAL SITE PLAN [OVERLAPPING].
>> NOT NECESSARILY THE BUILDING PERMIT.
>> WHICH AT FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, AT THAT POINT, THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED ALL OF THE ITEMS. THERE COULD BE, ONE FINAL THING AND THEY'RE READY TO APPLY FOR PERMIT, BUT YOU'RE CLOSE AT THAT POINT, READY FOR PERMIT.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THE ACRES AND YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THE CLASS SOILS.
IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT OR THE ENTIRE.
>> ARE YOU ARE YOU ONLY CHARGING IT ON THE AFFECTED CLASS ONE SOILS ACRES?
>> WHATEVER CLASS ONE SOILS ARE IN THAT PROJECT AREA.
IT COULD BE A TURNAROUND AREA.
IT COULD BE FURTHER PILE IN THE TOP SOIL.
>> BUT IF IT'S JUST ONE ACRE OUT OF 50.
IT'S ONLY ON ONE ACRE. WHEREVER THE CLASS.
>> WE HAVE A PROJECT RIGHT NOW GOING ON IS 25 ACRES.
THEY ONLY HAVE TWO ACRES OF CLASS ONE SOIL, $70,000.
IT'S NOT GREAT, BUT IT'S A PLACE TO START.
YES. IT'S A PLACE, NOW WE'VE GOT MAYBE TWO OR THREE PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE.
THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE WORD SAID ABOUT THE STUDENTS, NOTHING.
>> RIGHT HERE ONLY COLLECTING IT LIKE THAT 20 YOU'RE ONLY COLLECTING IT ON THEM?
>> YOU WANT TO COLLECT IT ON THE WHOLE PROJECT.
>> OR THE WHOLE PROS. THAT WOULDN'T ME.
>> I WAS A MY PERSONAL OPINION LISTEN.
>> I JUST LISTENING TO OUR COUNSEL.
OUR COUNTY COUNCIL AND, THEIR THOUGHTS AND WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE MAY HAPPEN.
IT'S HARD TO SAY. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING BAD NOT GOING TO PAY.
>> BUT YOU'RE USING THE TERMINOLOGY PRIME FARMLAND AND FARM LAND OF STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE.
>> YOU CAN GET IT IN A SHAPE FILE FROM USDA ON WEB SOIL SERVER?
>> CORRECT. BUT WHAT IF SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE WITH EARTH DATA AND DOES SOIL WARNINGS AND THEY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT?
>> I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE IT SUBJECTIVE.
>> YOU WOULD SAY CLASS DO THE SOIL CLASS?
>> CLASS 1 IS PRIMARY CULTURAL SOILS.
CLASS 2 IS STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE.
IT'S KIND OF A FINE LINE BETWEEN THE DEFINITION, AND IT'S IN SOIL BUT IT'S IN MERLIN AND USGS SOIL SURVEY WEB SURVEY.
>> WELL, THEY'RE CLASS 12 AND THREE.
BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CLASS ONE AND TWO.
BOTH OF THEM ARE IDENTIFIABLE ON A SOILS MAP.
>> THE REASON WHY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CHOSE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE ALL THAT SAME LANGUAGE IS IN C ON THE MOUTH.
THAT WOULD BE SUPER DIFFICULT TO CHALLENGE.
>> BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN CO.
>> GOOD POINT. I USING ACTUAL CLASS 1, CLASS 2 CLASS 3.
>> IF YOU DECIDE TO DO CLASS 1, CLASS 2, CLASS 3, SO BE IT.
>> IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
>> SAYING WITH THE COMMAR YOU HAVE MORE LEGAL BACKING.
>> THE LEGISLATURE CAME AFTER US.
I'D TAKE THEIR DRAFTERS A LOT MORE EFFORT TO WRITE US OUT.
>> MAYBE THE CONSIDERATION IS INSTEAD OF USING PRIME AND STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE, EVEN IF IT'S ONE, TWO, AND 3 OR WHATEVER.
>> THE TERMINAL HAD THE SAME HM. YEAH.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT LEAST 11D2.
THAT MAYBE EVEN THREE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE THAT WOULD EVEN GET?
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I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CLASS HOW MANY ACRES OF CLASS THREE WE HAVE.WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF CLASS ONE AND CLASS PRIME.
SO WHO DOES THE OVERLAY ON THE SITE.
SO MATT'S DOING THE REVIEW FOR SETBACKS AND ALL THE SCREENING, ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
WHO ACTUALLY TAKES THE SOIL OVERLAY AND OVERLAYS IT OVER THE PROJECT AREA? YOU REQUIRE THEM TO DO IT AS A PART OF THEIR SUBMITTAL.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY SOME SLOPES, YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY ANY NO WETLANDS, YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY ANY WATER BODIES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
DID WE DON'T REQUIRE SOLE TYPES. SO, RIGHT? I KNOW SOME JURIS F IF SO TYPICALLY, THESE PROJECTS HAVE TO DO FOUR STAY DELINEATION EVEN WHEN MIGHT NOT BE HIS SOLE DATA IS REQUIRED.
IT'S THE ONLY BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT'S HIS SOLE TYPE, RIGHT? SO NO THE SOLE TYPES.
YEAH. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD WE'D HAVE TO ADD IN WE'D HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER CHANGE TO ADD IN THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO SHOW SOIL CLASSIFICATION LIKE A TABLE THAT GREE, WHITE MARSH, OR FLU OR BEST FIT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER SOIL CLASSIFICATION.
WHAT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO REQUIRE THEM TO DO THAT? IS THAT JUST THAT'S NOT A LEGISLATIVE THING? YEAH, THAT'S EASY.
POLICY. SO THAT'S JUST THE POLICY THING, WE WOULD ADD.
OKAY. GOOD. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE LEGISLATIVE STUFF.
AS TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE.
WE DID AN EXISTING SOLAR PROJECT THAT'S 400 ACRES, AND WE LOOKED AT THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED US TO LOOK AT AN EXISTING PROJECT OF CLASS ONE CLASS TWO PLA THREE SOILS AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MONEY.
WE HAVE A 400 ACRE PROJECT IN CHURCHILL, AND IT HAD 13 ACRES OF CLASS ONE SOILS AND IT HAD 250 CLASS TWO.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MONEY WAS LIKE I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE $40,000.
WELL, TO INCORPORATE CLASS TWO AS WELL? CORRECT. WHICH MATTERS IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO APPLY THIS TO THE SOILS.
BUT IF YOU'RE DOING IT TO 100% OF THE PROJECT AREA, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THEN YOU DON'T EAT Y, WELL, YEAH.
YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT.
THAT'S WHY JACK WILSON HAD SAID, WE START WITH CLASS.
AND THEN E'S IN SO IT KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND THE BEGINNING OF YEAR, LOOKING AT YOUR COMP PLAN UPDATES, AND THERE'S ANOTHER TEXT A INTRODUCED.
YOU CAN SAY, CLASS. A CLASS TWO. RIGHT.
AND IF THE CHALLENGE COMES, THEN YOU SAY, WELL, IT'S ALREADY IN OUR CODE TO DO THIS, WE'RE UPDATING OUR CODE. JUST SAYING.
THIS HAS BEEN THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TRAIL AND A LONG WALK TO WHERE WE ARE.
AND WE FELT LIKE IT'S OKAY FOR RIGHT THEN. SO THAT'S.
OKAY. SO I NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT FIVE CHARGE. YES.
AND AS FAR AS THE FEE, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE ON THAT.
I CAN FIND THAT OUT FROM OUR FINANCE OFFICE ABOUT THE ANNUAL FEE.
I OFF FOR THE NEXT TEN DAYS, BUT I WILL GET TO TWO WEEKS.
YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS LEFT AND I'M USING MY VACATION POINT.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 44 YEARS AND I'M TIRED.
SHE GETS A BREAK. SHE GETS GREATER.
WELL, YOUR FAMILY FARMS ARE UP IN THE NORTH END OF COUNTY. YES.
MY FAMILY FARM IN BRIDGETOWN. YEAH.
AND I ACTUALLY LIVE RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TEMPLE.
I HAVE A FARM COUNTY UP NEAR TEMPLE AND I HAVE FARMS OUT IN ILLINOIS, SO WE'RE FAR OUT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT PLANT JUST PLANT GROWN SOLAR.
SO THAT WILL NOT HAVE NO SOLAR.
RIGHT, DID IT LAND PRESERVATION IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TAKE THEIR FARMS, PUT THEM IN LAND PRESERVATION, AND PASS IT DOWN TO THEIR FAMILY.
HER FAMILY DID THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT KIDS THAT ARE COMING UP, AND I'M HOPING TO DO THE SAME.
NO. MY STEPSON TOOK OVER MY FARM OPERATION WHEN MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY.
WE HAD SEVEN CHICKEN HOUSES, AND WE GOT,
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YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THOUSAND ACRES, AND WHEN HE PASSED AWAY, AND MY STEPSON STEPPED IN AND HE'S FARMING, AND NOW HE'S GOT A SON THAT WORKS AT FS AND HE FARMS LIVING, SO WOW IT'S A IT'S AN AMAZING THING.IT'S A GOOD THING. IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE IN QUEEN ANS COUNTY.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SECURE $100 MILLION IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, SO WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR AND OR CHANGES TO WELL, I THINK TRA NODE, RIGHT? YEAH, 100% YOU MAKE IT TO THE OTHER TWO.
IT'LL BE BETTER COMING FROM YOU THAN IT'LL BE FROM ME.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING YOU WANT 100 AND I LOOK AT THIS THEY DON'T LISTEN TO ME ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE ALREADY.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT YOUR PROGRAM GOING AND SO IF YOUR PROGRAM KIND OF MIRRORS THERE A LITTLE BIT, IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING SUED, YOU MIGHT NOT GET? NO.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE WAS CONCERN.
I THINK THERE WAS CONCERN FROM ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT MOUTH COULD POTENTIALLY GET SKEWED.
YOU KNOW, IF THIS GETS OUT, THEN MAYBE SOME SOLAR INDUSTRY MIGHT WORK ITS WAY INTO INFLUENCE MOUTH, TO LOWER THE NUMBERS, THE APPRAISAL, SOME, OR, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON HOW BAD THE STATE WANTS IT.
I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS.
THE PRASAL ARE ACTUALLY REVIEWED BY THE OFFICE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL.
YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW WHO OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL IS? THERE 100 PAGES. YEAH.
THEY'RE INTENSE. AND THEY HAVE TO GIVE SO MANY REFERENCES.
THEY HAVE TO GIVE HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS.
AND DAVID CADELL ASSOCIATES OUT OF EAST AND HAVE BEEN DOING OUR MOTH APPRAISALS FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT DO IT HERE AFTER HERE AFTER YEAR, AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD GAME FORM.
NOT A STATE AGENCY THAT'S DOING IT THEN.
NO DDS FARMS OUT FARMS IT OUT TO TWO INDEPENDENTS. OKAY.
THEY PUT IN BIDS TO DO THESE PRIVATE APPRAISALS, PUT IN BIDS TO THE STATE THROUGH DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES.
AND IF THERE'S A DISPARITY IN THE TWO APPRAISALS THAT ARE DONE ON EACH PROPERTY, IF THERE'S MORE THAN A 30% GAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO APPRAISALS, A THIRD APPRAISAL IS DONE BY DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES, AND THAT'S THE APPRAISAL.
YOU CONCERNED GOVERNMENT THEIR HEAD IS GOING TO GET MANIPULATED? CAN'T YOU THEN JUST CHANGE YOUR YEAH.
CODE YOUR TEXT I MEAN, CAN'T YOU JUST YEAH, WE COULD YOU GO AWAY FROM MOUTH.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START KEEPING CLOSER EYES ON THESE APPRAISALS, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FROM YEAR TO YEAR, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO WATCH THAT, AND IT JUST SEEMS IT SEEMS OFF TO ME RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND, TRAVIS, THAT THOSE APPRAISALS WERE NOT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE UNTIL THE EAST CYCLE CLOSES. RIGHT.
WELL, NOT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
IS, I THINK AND I MAY BE WRONG HERE, BUT YOU SAY THAT YES, SHE'LL PROBABLY SELL YOU AT SOME OF HER FARM IF YOU GIVE HER $15,000 AN ACRE.
MAYBE I CAN BUT IN ACTUALITY, IT'S WORTH $7,000.
NOW, THERE'S NOT A FARM HERE GONNA SELL IT BECAUSE IF YOU WANT IT, GIVE ME TEN, AND YOU CAN HAVE IT.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING, BUT WHAT'S THE ACTUAL VALUE OF IT IS 7,000? I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE SPARINGS.
THEY BOUGHT THAT SPEARING FARM ACROSS FROM THE PIP.
WE JUST APPROVED 15,000 SOME DOLLAR AN ACRE.
CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THEY MAY PAY? 50 I KNOW. SCARY, RIGHT.
CORRECT. YEAH. SO AGAIN, IF I WANT TO GO OUT AND BUY FOR FARM LAND IN CAROLINE COUNTY, $7,000 AN ACRE, BUT I'M GOING TO DIG IT UP BECAUSE JUST UNDER THE SURFACE IS THAT REALLY GOOD DIRT THAT I'M GOING TO SEND IT WE HEARD THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO DIG IT UP AND MAKE 15 MILLION.
WHAT YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO COST ME 15 MILLION? WELL. PIGS GET FED, HOMES GET SLAUGHTERED, RIGHT TO BECAUSE THE MONEY I'M GOING TO MAKE.
WHEN YOU BUY, YOU BUY CHEAP WHEN YOU SELL, YOU SELL HIGH.
SO THERE'S NOTHING CHEAP ANYMORE.
DID I SAY IT WRONG? WHAT'S IT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE? I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE.
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>> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH.
>> IT NEEDS TO BE CLASS 1 AND CLASS 2.
>> THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE CLASS 1, CLASS 2 AND USE THE MOUTH EASEMENT?
>> YOU GUYS MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
LIKE I SAID, MAYBE COMING FROM ME AND YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY.
>> I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAVE DONE IT, BUT THEY'RE STAYING IN THE GRAY AREA.
DID YOU SAY THINKING ABOUT LAWSUITS.
YEAH. I MEAN W DAVE CADEL I'M GONNA ABSTAIN FROM.
SO IT'S SOLELY FROM YOU NOT FOR ME REALLY.
BUT THEY'RE ONLY TAKING IT ON WHERE THE SOILS ARE, WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE WHOLE PROJECT.
THEY WANT 100% OF THE WHOLE PROJECT.
CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, 100% OF THE WHOLE PROJECT.
CORRECT. WHICH I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU.
AS SOON AS AS SOON AS A DEVELOPER OR SOLAR COMPANY OR SOMETHING SAYS, WELL, CAN COUNTY IS DOING 75% THAT ON THE ACTUAL ACRES, WE'RE GOING TO GET SUED.
SO IF THE WAY THIS IS PROPOSED IS 100% OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
SO IF THAT 50 ACRE PROJECT AREA IS FAIR MARKET VALUE, THIS IS LET'S JUST SAY THAT 50 ACRES IS $100,000.
THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO PAY YOU IS $100,000.
THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN COURT.
A? 75% OF THAT VALUE ONLY ON THE CLASS ONE SOILS, IF WE WERE GOING TO DO IT LIKE DOWN OR ON CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO.
SO IF YOU DID CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO SOILS OR 100% OF THE PROJECT AT 50%.
THERE'S YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT I THINK I MEAN, YOU STILL THEY'RE STILL ONE 100% OF THE PROJECT.
THEY'RE ONLY DOING THE ACTUAL ACRES ACRES.
THEY'RE ON A H I MEAN, IF YOU GOT A THAT IS ME.
SO THEY WANT 100% OF THE PROJECT AREA.
RIGHT. SO OUR 50 ACRE SOLAR PROJECT.
THEY WANT 100% THEY WANT IF IT HAS ANY CLASS, ONE CLASS TWO SOL THE HOLDER.
PAY THE MAXIMUM IF YOU LOOK AT, THERE'S TWO ACRES, YOU'RE ONLY GETTING TWO ACRES.
WHICH SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET PISSED AND THE SOLAR COMPANY THAT'S GOT 5 BILLION OR WHATEVER IT WAS OUT OF FLORIDA UNDER CONTRACT WILL TAKE US TO SO 100% AT 50%.
IT'S YOU END UP WITH THE SAME MONEY. WHO DO YOU PEE? WE'RE GOING TO DO THE WHOLE PROJECT AT 50% OR WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO ACRES AT 75.
SO THAT I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU WELL, NUMBER ONE.
AND THE CLASSIFICATION OF SOIL, ARE YOU GOING TO CHOOSE? AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE WE YOU WANT TO PAY? AND ON WHAT AREA. I MEAN, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT IT SHOULD BE THE ENTIRE.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE SOLAR IS GOING, AND YOU'RE TAKING IT ALL OUT OF THAT THE LANDSCAPING THE DRIVEWAY THE SUBSTATION, WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO USE THE TWO ACRES OF CLASS ONE SOIL FOR YOUR SOLAR PROJECT.
AS A FARMER, YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO TILL THAT TWO ACRES OF CLASS ONE SOIL.
YOU'RE TILLING THE WHOLE 50. YES.
AND WHEN THEY DO THEIR PROJECT, THEY'RE TAKING THAT WHOLE FARM OR THAT WHOLE ACID DURING CONSTRUCTION, THE LOD COUNTS IT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PILE YOUR TOP SOIL OVER HERE, THAT'S.
EXACTLY. LET'S MAKE SURE THAT YOU ENCOMPASS THAT ENTIRE AREA RESTRUCTION ENTRANCE, EVERYTHING FOR YOU STOP PI YOUR TREES WHEN YOU PLANTED LANDSCAPING, YOUR IRRIGATION FOR YOUR TREES, COUNT AT ALL.
WELL, WE GOT TO GET PAST THE COMMISSIONERS.
YOU JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO US AND HOPEFULLY SWAYS THE CONVERSATION. B.
IF QUEEN COUNTY ALREADY HAD A TRACK RECORD, OF DOING THIS, NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE TWEAKED IN THE FUTURE.
CORRECT. AND NOT SAYING THAT YOU WON'T TWEAK YOURS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT ALREADY, YOU'VE SWUNG THE BAT AND NOBODY'S COMPLAINED? CORRECT.
[02:05:07]
YOU HAVE FEELINGS ON THIS HAND? MAKE A MOTION.AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
D CLASS ONE AND YOU OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? I'D RATHER NOT DO IT. NO.
THE WAY IT'S INTERPRETE YOURSELF.
I'M GOING TO ASK I'M GOING TO ASK LARRY AND FRANK TO WATCH THIS, TOO.
MY IDEA WOULD BE USING THE FAIR MARKET VALUE THAT'S ALREADY FROM DONE FOR US. YES.
AVAILABLE THAT FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IT WOULD BE ASSESSED AT FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THE WHOLE PROJECT AREA? CORRECT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROJECT AREA AND HOW IT'S DEFINED? LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE? WE COULD NARROW THAT DOWN TO SAY INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT.
IS INCLUDED IN THE PRO THE THINGS THAT YOU RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T MENTION LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
THEY IF THEY POWER PER PROJECT.
THEY CAN'T FORM IT THEY'VE TAKEN IT OUT OF PRODUCTION.
THAT'S WHY IT MEANS TO COUNT LIKE YOUR CONSTRUCTION ENGINE.
YOUR CONSTRUCTION GRINS MIGHT BE AS WIDE THIS RING, BUT WHEN IT ARROWS THAT AND THE PROJECT IS FINISHING IN BEHALF OF THIS.
SO HOW WE'VE BEEN CALCULATING OUR CAP GONE WAS LIMITED.
THAT'S PROJECT AREA. SO I DON'T HAVE A LIMITED WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? LOD EMIT OF DISTURBANCE? YES.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
AND AT 75%, WE GO ONE STEP HIGHER BECAUSE QUEEN COUNTY BECAUSE WE WANT THE WHOLE AREA.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOSS UP.
IT WOULD BE NICE THAT IF QUEEN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WOULD, LIKE, CHANGE THEIRS AND DO IT TOO, SO EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
BUT 75%, THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING 75%.
THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER AREA OF DISTURBANCE.
I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WHAT ABOUT THE APPRAISAL FEES? AND A USE MOUTH USED THE MOUTH DONE OR SOME IT'S AVAIL IT'S AVAILABLE.
YEAH. AND IT'S ALREADY PAID. IT'S ALREADY PAID FOR.
AND I GUESS YOU CAN PUT SOME WORDING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, MOUTH, THE MOST RECENT ONES UNLESS RIGHT.
ITH HAPPENS, THEN YOU CAN GO GET YOUR OWN.
AND IT WOULD BE ON THE MOUTH ADMINISTRATORS SHOULDERS TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AS SOON AS IT'S AVAILABLE.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANING ZING DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT'S USUALLY IN NOVEMBER? GENERALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY AROUND AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, WE STARTED OUR CYCLE LENGTH THIS FISCAL YEAR.
IS IT JUST PUBLISHED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT OR IS IT PROVIDED TO EACH COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR EACH COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
BUT YOU'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS CHANGE AUTOMATA WE WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
YEAH. AND IT'S THIS BILL THAT ALL IS CALLED THE COMPENSATORY PRESERVATION CONTRIBUTION FUND.
SO YOU YOU'RE SENDING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
CHANGE. SO THERE'S A MOTION FOR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE COMPENSATORY PRESERVATION CONTRIBUTION FUND WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THEIR CURRENT DOCUMENT, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, BUT THAT WE USE THE MOUTH EASEMENTS.
AND CHANGE THE TERMINOLOGY TO FROM PRIME FARMLAND AND FARMLAND OF STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE TO CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO.
CLASS ONE CLASS TWO AS COM HAS DONE IT.
UH FAIR MARKET VALUE MOST RECENT FAIR MARKET VALUE.
ANNUAL AVERAGE FAIR MARKET VALUE.
THE AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED AT FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I'M GLAD EVERYBODY'S MAKING NOT C. OKAY.
IT'S A JOINT MAD. THIS IS A JOINT MOTION. THIS IS WORKS.
[02:10:03]
OKAY. AND THE PROJECT THE AREA.THE WHOLE PROJECT AREA, WHOLE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT AREA, 75% OF THAT MOUTH APPRAISAL FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT AREA.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
NO. ALL IN FAVOR OF EMOTION, SAY, A, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCH A T TIME.
YEAH. PROBABLY READ IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IT WOULD BE HELP.
I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF COMBINE.
WHAT'S WRONG. WHAT'S WRONG? YOU AIN'T GOT, WHAT YOU GOT A COUPLE OF DAYS THAT WEATHER GET IN HERE? I NEED TO WASH TOMORROW MORNING.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET FITTER.
YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE CONVINCING THAN ME, HANNAH.
THEY GET TIRED OF HEARING FROM ME, SO MAYBE YOU CAN.
THE NEXT THING IS THE SOLAR REGULATION COMPLIANCE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY.
[Solar Regulations - Compliance with Renewable Energy Certainty Act]
HAVE ONE. THANK YOU. TANK YOU. THANK YOU.I FEEL YOU'RE PAIN AND ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT.
I NEED IT AFTER 44 YEARS. BYE.
WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE SOLAR REGULATIONS. NO.
I CAN JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK RECAP.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE SOLAR REGULATIONS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE ARE LOOKING TO AMEND THAT SECTION AND MAKE IT APPLICABLE TO SOLAR THAT IS LESS THAN A MEGAWATT.
AND THIS IS ALL BEING DRIVEN BY THE RENEWABLE ENERGY CERTAINTY ACT, SO WE WOULD STILL RETAIN CONTROL OVER THE LESS THAN A MEGAWATT, AND WE WOULD FOLLOW OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.
THE ONE CHANGE WOULD BE ADDING IN THAT THOSE SOLARS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY THE COMPENSATORY FUND.
WE'LL ADD ONE NEW SECTION THAT WILL CREATE THE PROCESS FOR SOLAR THAT IS 1 MEGAWATT OR GREATER, AND BASICALLY IT POINTS TO WHAT'S IN THE STATE CODE FOR SITING AND LANDSCAPING AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN WE WOULD UPDATE OUR DEFINITIONS SO THAT THEY COMPLY, AND THE COMPENSATORY FUND AGAIN WOULD APPLY TO THOSE AS WELL.
THAT WAS IT, RIGHT STEWART? YES. AND UPDATE OUR TABLE USES.
WE HAD SOME CLEANUP IN THERE FROM SOME OLD TERMINOLOGY THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND UPDATED WITH THE NEW DEFINITIONS.
MOST MOST OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IS NOT UP TO US.
WE'RE JUST BRINGING OURSELVES IN LINE WITH STATE CODE.
HOW WE ADDRESS SOLAR AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A HOME OR A FARM? DOESN'T CHANGE. IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
PRETTY MUCH MEET OUR STANDARD SETBACKS AS IF YOU WERE BUILDING ANY OTHER STRUCTURE WITH NO SCREENING REQUIREMENT.
BUT SO IT'S MORE OF A CLEAN UP TO GET US IN LINE WITH THE STATE? YES. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
YOU NEED AN OFFICIAL MOTION ON THAT FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
AMENDING OUR REGULATIONS TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE CHANGES, AND TO IN THOSE REGULATIONS, WE WOULD ALLOT FOR THE AGRICULTURAL COMPENSATORY FUND.
I MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE LEGISLATIVE BILL 2020 5-012 TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
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OKAY. A SECOND.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION READ YOUR RIGHT HAND, SAY AYE. AYE. AS.
SAME HEARING NONE, MOTION PASSED.
NOW, DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR CLOSED SESSION? YEAH. SO WE GO AHEAD AND NAME WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES. OKAY.
[Closed Session]
I HAVE A REQUEST.YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER GENERAL PROVISIONS, ARTICLE 3-3 OH FIVE B, SUBSECTION EIGHT TO CONSULT WITH STAFF, CONSULTANTS OR OTHER INDIVIDUALS ABOUT PENDING OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
WE ARE CLOSING THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC BECAUSE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF ANY THEORIES OF IMPOSING LIABILITY OR INTERPOSING DEFENSES, AND NEXT STEPS WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE COUNTY'S POSITION IN POSSIBLE LITIGATION.
FURTHER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT TO WAIVE ANY ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE.
WE HAVE A SECOND. MOTION IN A SECOND.
YOU DO IT BY ROLL CALL THE THOUGH, WHEN YOU DO IT? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE WHY WE OR ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS AND WHEN WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
EVERYBODY SAYS, I RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE STILL GOT TO GO NO.
STATE LAW REQUIRES A RECORDED EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON'S VOTE.
FOR THE MINUTES, YEAH, TO GO IN.
THAT'S WHY YOU GOT TO DO ROLL CALL.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU GOT TO CALL MY NAME, AND I'LL SAY.
YOU MADE THE MOTION HAVE MADE OR HANNAH MADE THE SECOND.
YEAH. SO TRAVIS, HOW DO YOU VOTE ON GOING IN THE CLOSED SESSION? HANNAH? MR. MIG KNIGHT.
>> ATTENTION, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHEN WE'RE NOT RECORDING ANYMORE.
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[02:47:08]
[02:47:10]
[02:47:11]
>> WE'RE ALIVE. WE'RE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.
[02:47:17]
[02:47:19]
[LAUGHTER]>> WHERE WE DISCUSSED MATTERS WITH OUR ATTORNEY?
>> THE WEBSITE IS NOT [INAUDIBLE] IT'S THE DELAY.
>> THIS IS HOW IT LOOK. THIS ALWAYS SCARES ME. IT'S GOING TO UPDATE.
>> OVER AT THE END, SO WE'RE GOOD.
[Report from Closed Session | Wastewater Treatment Facilities]
>> WE'RE BACK IN OPEN SESSION WHERE AFTER DISCUSSING MATTERS WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.
WE WENT IN UNDER WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? OR DO WE DISCUSS ANY MORE?
>> YOU WOULD BE DOING THAT IN OPEN SESSION RIGHT NOW WITH A MOTION?
>> ARIGHT. WHAT? ANY DISCUSSION?
>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS. YOU SHOULD DISCUSS.
>> WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES.
>> TO CLEAR UP THIS BILL WILL REMOVE TWO SENTENCES FROM OUR CODE, WHICH IS THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY IN THE GENERATING FACILITY, IT SERVES BE OPERATED AND OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON OR ENTITY.
WE'RE REMOVING THAT AND WE'RE ALSO REMOVING THE FACILITY IS NOT A SHARED FACILITY AS DESIGNED.
BOTH OF THOSE, THE SHARED FACILITY WILL STILL BE IN COR FOR MDE TO DETERMINE SO THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY DOES.
THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY BEING OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE SAME PERSON IS REGULATED THROUGH OUR COMPREHENSIVE WATER AND SEWER PLAN SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE EITHER.
>> SHARE FACILITIES IN OUR WATER AND SEWER PLAN.
BOTH ARE ALREADY ADDRESSED IN STATE LAW OR IN OUR WATER AND SEWER PLAN, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT TO ALSO BE IN OUR CODE.
>> AND THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGES TO 25-13. THOSE TWO CHANGES?
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>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SEND A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR LEGISLATIVE BILL 2025-013 TO THE CAROLINA COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ANYTHING? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER BRIEFING.
SAY AYE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> ALL OPPOSED. SAME. HEARING NONE. MOTION PASSED.
[BACKGROUND] I'M LOOKING FOR MY AGENDA.
[BZA Update]
>> BZA UPDATE. DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE?
>> YES. THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HEARD ONE CASE ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025.
BARRY G CHURCH APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE TO ADD A 20 BY 16 BEDROOM TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
THE BOARD TABLED THE APPLICATION AND ASKED MR. CHURCH TO EXPLORE OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THE ADDITION AND IF THE NEW LOCATION REQUIRES A VARIANCE, THE HEARING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2025, THAT ENDS THE BZA UPDATE.
[Department Update]
>> I'LL MAKE THAT SHORT WEEK 29 [INAUDIBLE]
>> LESLIE'S ALSO DOING THE MOUTH STUFF?
>> ARE YOU HIRED UP EVERYBODY?
>> YES. OUR LAST HIRE STARTED SECOND WEEK OF SEPTEMBER [INAUDIBLE]
>> COMMISSIONER? PLANNING COMMISSION ANYTHING?
>> APPRECIATE'S FLEXIBILITY WITH THE SPEED AT WHICH WE'RE MOVING.
>> THERE IS NO PUBLIC HERE TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
[Meeting Adjournment]
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> ADJOURNED. TURN OFF YOU MIKE.
[BACKGROUND]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.