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IT'S LIKE [OVERLAPPING] 30 SECONDS BEFORE [INAUDIBLE].>> YEAH. I DON'T THINK I'LL NEED IT.
>> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] YOU KNEW THAT WAS COVERED.
>> I'M GOING TO HAND OUT [INAUDIBLE] TO YOU GUYS SO YOU'D GET IT ALL PRINTED FOR ME. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SORRY FOR THE DELAY, FOLKS.
WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR
[Call to Order]
THE CARLIN COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22ND, 2025.FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TEMPORARY LICENSES.
[Temporary Licenses]
THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST IS COMPASS HOSPICE.[Compass Hospice - Hospice Festival of Trees]
[INAUDIBLE] WISHING TO SPEAK?>> DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> DAVID WHALEY, 24522 CHOP TANK BOULEVARD, DENTON, MARYLAND.
>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED.
>> COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE COMPASS REGIONAL HOSPICE.
THEY'VE APPLIED FOR A ONE DAY LIQUOR LICENSE FOR AN EVENT NAMED HOSPICE FESTIVAL OF TREES TO BE HELD AT 26299 SENATE ROAD IN DENTON, MARYLAND.
TODAY, WE HAVE MR. DAVID WHALEY REPRESENTING COMPASS HOSPICE AND IT APPEARS THAT MR. WHALEY HAS APPLIED FOR THIS FESTIVAL OF TREES SINCE 2021 AT THE SAME LOCATION.
IN YOUR MEETING PACKAGE, THE EVENT LISTED IS SLATED FOR FRIDAY, DECEMBER 5TH, FROM 6:00 PM TO 9:00 PM AND THEY ARE REQUESTING TO SELL BEER AND WINE VIA ADMISSION CHARGE WITH NO DJ.
ALCOHOL AWARENESS CERTIFICATES AND SITE PLAN HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
>> GOOD. SAME EVENT AS YOU HAD [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE TOWERS FARM MUSEUM OUT THERE ON BILL POWERS' PROPERTY ON SENNETT ROAD.
BASICALLY, ALCOHOL WILL BE SERVED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE BUILDING.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE EVENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.
>> FOUR YEARS. HOW ABOUT YOU, GLEN?
>> NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES AND MR. WHALEY HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.
>> THAT'S THE LOCATION, I BELIEVE, 26299 SENNETT IS LOCATED.
>> IT'S THE BUILDING OFF TO THE LEFT, JANINE.
>> YEAH, THAT'S IT THERE. YEAH.
>> THEN THE FLOOR PLAN IS HERE, SITE PLANS.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COMPASS HOSPICE FOR FRIDAY, DECEMBER 5TH OF 2025 FROM 6:00 PM TO 9:00 PM FOR A TEMPORARY ONE DAY LICENSE.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR THE HOSPICE FESTIVAL OF TREES.
>> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU. EVERYTHING ELSE?
>> DAVID, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE EVERYTHING TO THE [INAUDIBLE] REAL QUICK.
>> CAN WE MOVE RIGHT INTO THE YACHT CLUBS REAL QUICK?
>> I KNOW, BUT CRYSTAL, ARE WE OKAY?
>> IF YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR AGENDA, THEN YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
MR. WHALEY HAS ANOTHER TEMPORARY LICENSE REQUEST FOR NOVEMBER 1ST.
FIVE TO SEVEN IS THE TRUNK OR TREAT AT THE CHOPTANK RIVER YACHT CLUB.
>> EVERYTHING THE SAME, THIS IS ONGOING [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK THE AREA WILL BE THE SAME AS I THINK WE HAD A REQUEST TO EXTEND IT OUT IN THE PARKING LOT WHEN WE HAD THE PARTY FOR JOE SMITH.
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BASICALLY, IT'S THE PAVED AREA OUT IN FRONT OF THERE, SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SET UP THEIR CARS WITH THEIR GOODIES FOR THE TRICK OR TREATERS TO COME AROUND.>> JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, CHOPTANK YACHT CLUB DOES HAVE A PERMANENT LICENSE.
THIS IS JUST A TEMPORARY EXPANSION OF THE LICENSE PREMISE AREA FOR THIS EVENT.
TREY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM?
>> NO. THIS IS AN EVENT I'VE ATTENDED MYSELF AND IT'S DONE VERY WELL AND HELPS THE COMMUNITY, SO I'M ALL FOR IT AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CHOPTANK YACHT CLUB'S REQUEST FOR A TRUNK OR TREAT ON NOVEMBER THE 1ST '25.
ACTUALLY, THIS IS A TEMPORARY EXPANSION OF THE TERRITORY.
>> IT'S A TEMPORARY EXTENSION.
>> MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY EXTENSION OF THE LICENSE PREMISE FOR THE CHOPTANK RIVER YACHT CLUB FOR THEIR NOVEMBER 1ST TRUNK OR TREAT.
>> OUR NEXT ON THE LIST OF TEMPORARY LICENSES,
[Chamber of Commerce - Winterfest]
THE CAROLINA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.[LAUGHTER] WE'LL DO THE OATH. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> TRACY SNYDER, 8907 OSTERMAN COURT, DENTON, MARYLAND.
>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED.
>> COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE CAROLINE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THEY'VE APPLIED FOR A ONE DAY LIQUOR LICENSE FOR AN EVENT NAMED WINTER FEST TO BE HELD AT 2 CENTRAL AVENUE, RIDGELY, MARYLAND.
TODAY, AGAIN, WE HAVE TRACY SNYDER, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
MS. SNYDER HAS APPEARED BEFORE THE BOARD SINCE 2019 AND PERHAPS PRIOR TO, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT DETAILS.
IN YOUR MEETING PACKAGE, THE EVENT LISTED IS SLATED FOR SATURDAY, DECEMBER 13TTH, FROM 4:00 PM TO 8:00 PM.
THEY ARE REQUESTING TO SELL BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR VIA A CASH BAR WITH NO DJ.
THE ALCOHOL CERTIFICATES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS THE SITE PLAN.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'LL BE AT THE WINTER FEST FOR RIDGELY.
WELL, I'VE ATTENDED AS A GUEST, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE SET UP ON THE SIDE ON THE PORCH THERE WHERE THE ARROW IS AND THEY'RE PLANNING ON JUST KEEPING US IN THAT SECTION.
THEN, LIKE LAST YEAR, THEY'LL HAVE THE BEER TRUCK RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING AND SO WE'LL BE DOING WINE CIDER AND JUST LITTLE THINGS TO ADD TO HOT CHOCOLATE.
NOTHING OUT OF CRAZY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME TO TRY IT.
PROCEEDS WILL GO TO OUR SCHOLARSHIP FUND.
>> IS IT [OVERLAPPING] OUTSIDE?
>> IS THERE GOING TO BE A CORDONED OFF AREA?
I THINK WHAT THEIR PLAN IS IS TO KEEP US IN THAT YARD.
I TALKED WITH STEPHANIE FROM THE TOWN OF RIDGELY BEFORE I APPLIED.
THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME OUT DECK CHAIRS AND A FIRE PIT, JUST FOR THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST FOR THIS EVENT, SO THAT I'M NEW TO THIS.
WHATEVER YOU NEED ME TO DO, LET ME KNOW.
>> THIS HAS BEEN AN EVENT THAT THEY HAVE HAD ALCOHOL THERE BEFORE, BUT IT WAS CONTROLLED BY THE STATE.
WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT IN THE PAST.
THAT BRINGS ME TO MY QUESTION.
SINCE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN, ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE SERVING ALCOHOL THERE?
>> IT WILL BE ME AND POSSIBLY A FEW PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEER FOR US. [OVERLAPPING]
I'LL BE WORKING WITH RED LIGHT LIQUORS TO GET LIKE WE NORMALLY DO TO GET OUR STUFF, BUT THE BEER TRUCK IS THE DELMARVA CRAFT.
>> YEAH AND BROKEN SPOKE USED TO BE THERE AS WELL.
>> YEAH. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE THIS YEAR, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE US AND THE SPEAKEASY THING.
>> THE BEER TYPICALLY PARKS IN FRONT OF THERE INTO THE ROAD AND THEN THE WINERY IS USUALLY WHERE SHE'S GOING TO BE AT NOW.
>> THE ROPED OFF AREA, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU GUYS BUT THE STATE HAD LICENSED THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO DO THESE THINGS.
I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU NEED TO ASK IF YOU WANT A FENCED OFF AREA OR NOT.
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>> THIS ONE. YOU'RE ASKING A LOT, GLEN. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S A PRETTY LARGE AREA [OVERLAPPING] BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT ELSE THERE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PARTAKE IN SOMETHING, THEY STAY IN THAT AREA BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS CHILDREN ORIENTED.
>> MUCH OF THAT EVENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR THING IS DOWN THERE BETWEEN BELL STREET AREA AND [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE AT ALMOST LIKE AT THE BEGINNING.
YEAH. YOU HAVE TO REALLY BE INTENTIONAL TO WANT TO BE THERE, I THINK.
>> THAT IS A LARGER GRASSY AREA.
GOING INTO THE RIGHT OF THAT PORCH.
RIDGELY'S GOT A LITTLE COURTYARD OUT THERE AND A FLAGPOLE AND SOME BENCHES AND STUFF.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE AREA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE OCCUPYING?
>> YES, AND IT WILL BE CONFINED THERE.
>> WILL THE PEOPLE BE WALKING? WHERE ARE YOU HERE?
>> PEOPLE WILL WALK IN, LIKE THEY NORMALLY DO WHEREVER THEY'RE PARKING AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY PUT US AT THAT FRONT BY THE TOWN HALL BECAUSE THE ICE SKATING RINK'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PUT US THERE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THEY PUT US.
I GUESS TO KEEP US AWAY FROM ALL THE BOUNCY HOUSES AND ALL THE THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE SAFEST SPACE.
>> WHEN THEY DID IT BEFORE, YOU SAID THAT THEY OF COURSE, [OVERLAPPING].
DID THEY WALK? DID THEY WALK ON DOWN TO THE TRAIN STATION OR SOMETHING?
>> THE BEER TRUCK DID, THE WINERY DID NOT.
THIS WAS A DIFFERENT TIME BECAUSE YOU HAD RIDGELY POLICE DURING THE LAST ONE.
THEY HAD A GREAT NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE AND I BELIEVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT IS, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR INVOICES AND MAKE SURE WHAT YOU HAVE COMPARED TO WHAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE SAME PRODUCT, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD.
>> YEAH. I SAY, I ALWAYS AT 99.9%.
>> THE STATE DOES NOT MAKE THEM HAVE ANY CORDONED OFF AREA, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
>> I THINK TRACY, I WOULD REACH BACK OUT TO STEPHANIE AND DAVE.
DAVE'S THE MANAGER OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ASK FOR SOMETHING TO BE PUT THERE TO CONTAIN PEOPLE WITHIN THE AREA SO THAT THEY CAN'T JUST WANDER OFF.
>> WE DO KNOW THAT YOU'RE LOCAL, BUT THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS GOING TO COME IN.
WE DON'T KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WHO THE STATE'S GOING TO LET IN.
EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULD LET US KNOW, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND TO BASICALLY PROTECT YOUR ORGANIZATION IS A GOOD ROPED OFF AREA.
FOR THE WINERY, THEY DID A VERY NICE JOB WITH THAT.
>> WE'LL MAKE SURE, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE WRISTBANDS THAT THEY'LL EITHER HAVE TO HAVE ONE OR WE'LL BE CHECKING THEM AND GIVE THEM ONE.
THAT WAY, WE'RE CHECKING ALL IDS.
I DON'T CARE HOW OLD YOU LOOK IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR ID, YOU GET A YELLOW WRISTBAND.
IT SAYS YOU CAN'T DRINK BEER OR WINE.
>> TRACY'S SEEN ME OUT THERE INSPECTING HER EVENTS WITH RED LIGHT BEING SERVERS AT THE TIME.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES, AND THE ISSUES THAT I HAVE HAD, SHE'S CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY.
>> IF WE ASK FOR A FENCED IN AREA AND THE WRISTBANDS, YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THAT?
>> YES, AND I'LL REACH OUT TO STEPHANIE TODAY AND JUST VERIFY THAT, THAT CAN HAPPEN.
IF NOT, I CAN QUARANTINE IT OFF.
I HAVE HORSES SO I HAVE TEMPORARY FENCE POSTS AND THINGS.
I CAN DO IT, BUT I KNOW THE TOWN CAN DO IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE MATERIAL.
YEAH, I CAN DO THAT AND I WILL HAVE WRIST BANDS.
>> THANK YOU GIVING FOR THOSE TWO THINGS. I'M FINE.
[OVERLAPPING] MOVE TO APPROVE CAROLINE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WINTER FEST FOR SATURDAY, DECEMBER 13TH OF 2025 FROM 4:00 PM TO 8:00 PM.
>> I SHOULD ADD INTO THAT THOUGH, FIRST, GLEN.
WITH THE ADDED OF THE WRIST BANDS AND SOME TYPE OF CONTAINMENT AREA.
WHETHER IT'S FENCING OR JUST ROPED OFF OR WHAT.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR THE WINTER FEST FOR THE CAROLINE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
>> I'LL SEND INFORMATION TO GENEVA ONCE I HAVE THAT GUARANTEED.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANKS, EVERYONE.
>> SHERIFF BAKER. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY FROM PRESTON OR FEDERALSBURG.
[Sheriff Donald Baker - Donnie Baker for Sheriff Fundraiser]
>> IS THERE ANYBODY FROM PRESTON?
>> NO. CAN WE AMEND THE AGENDA? [OVERLAPPING] OKAY.
[00:15:02]
>> WE'RE GOING TO [OVERLAPPING] ALONG.
WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THE AGENDA AND MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT.
WE'LL SKIP THE PRESTON FIRE COMPANY AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO SHERIFF DONALD BAKER FOR THE FIRST FUND RAISER? GOOD MORNING, SIR.
>> HOW ARE YOU? I KNOW HE'S A SWORN OFFICER.
DO I HAVE TO SWEAR HIM IN? OKAY. [LAUGHTER] MORNING, SIR.
>> YES, GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE SHERIFF BAKER HERE.
HE HAS APPLIED FOR A ONE DAY LIQUOR LICENSE FOR AN EVENT NAMED DONNIE BAKER FOR SHERIFF FUNDRAISER TO BE HELD AT THE PRESTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, LOCATED AT 3680 CHOPTANK DRIVE IN PRESTON, MARYLAND.
IN YOUR MEETING PACKAGE, THE EVENT IS SLATED FOR SATURDAY, OCTOBER 25TH FROM 4:00 PM TO 9:00 PM.
MR. BAKER IS REQUESTING TO SELL BEER AND WINE VIA TICKET SALES WITH A DJ.
ALCOHOL CERTIFICATES AND THE SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
>> THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON WHAT YOU HAD GOING ON?
>> NO. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS LAST TIME WHEN I DID THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
I DON'T REMEMBER COMING FOR YOU.
I THOUGHT, MAYBE I DID. I DON'T KNOW.
>> IT'S BEEN A WHILE. [LAUGHTER]
NO, I'M BASICALLY HAVING A FUND RAISER FOR THE UPCOMING CAMPAIGN.
IT'S FROM, I BELIEVE, IT'S 4-9 AT THE PRESTON VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> EVERYTHING INSIDE, NOTHING OUTSIDE?
>> EVERYTHING INSIDE, NOTHING IS OUTSIDE.
WE'LL BE WELL MAINTAINED, WELL CONTROLLED.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> YEAH, I PLAN ON BEING THERE TOO.
>> TREY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? IT'S AT THE FIRE COMPANY, WHICH HAS [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE PRESTON [INAUDIBLE] HAVE DONE A VERY EXCELLENT JOB, [INAUDIBLE].
>> I HAD A BIG ONE THIS PAST WEEKEND.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE DONNY BAKER FOR SHERIFF FUNDRAISER ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 25TH, FROM 4-9 FOR BEER AND WINE.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVED THIS TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR DONNIE BAKER FOR SHERIFF FUNDRAISER.
>> GENEVA WILL HAVE IT FOR YOU, AND THEN I'LL LET YOU KNOW SHE'S HERE.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. [BACKGROUND].
>> I'LL BE IN TOUCH. THANK YOU.
GENTLEMEN. WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH AIR TAME, SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT.
[Preston VFC - Wedding Reception]
>> YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY FROM PRESTON OR FEDERALSBURG?
>> NO. I'M GOING TO READ OFF TO YOU FOR PRESTON'S VOLUNTEER, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY OCCURRED.
>> SO PRESTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY WILL NOT BE PRESENT FOR THIS MEETING AS THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR A ONE DAY LICENSE ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 6TH FOR A WEDDING RECEPTION THAT WAS HELD ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 11.
THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT FOR PRESTON THIS VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, WHICH IS NOW DONE BY MIKE BRADLEY.
THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAD THE APPROVAL ALREADY FROM LAST MONTH EVENTS FROM THE CORN HOLE TOURNAMENT.
SINCE THIS SINCE THIS EVENT WAS A LAST MINUTE ONE OFF.
PRIOR TO OUR BOARD MEETING, OUR OFFICE APPROVED THE EVENT, AND WE REACHED OUT TO TO YOU GUYS AS A HEADS UP OF THIS EVENT APPROVAL. THAT'S FOR PRESTON.
>> WE HAVE FURTHER ON IN YOUR AGENDA DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE SOME OF THESE APPROVALS FOR TEMP LICENSES BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU'VE GRANTED EVENTS FOR ANNUAL APPROVALS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPEAR BACK BEFORE THE BOARD, AND PRESTON FIRE COMPANY HAS CHANGED.
MR. DONALD WILLOUGHBY, HAS BEEN THEIR LICENSE HOLDER FOR MANY YEARS MANY YEARS.
THEY'VE RECENTLY HAD A CHANGE OF WHO MR. BRADLEY'S HANDLING THE LICENSES NOW.
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THEY THOUGHT BECAUSE THEY HAD THE CORNHOLE TOURNAMENT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO APPEAR BACK THAT ALL OF THEIR EVENTS FOR THE YEAR WERE OKAY AS LONG AS THEY WERE INSIDE THE BUILDING.WE DO HAVE THAT LATER ON FOR DISCUSSION TO HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THESE MOVING FORWARD.
>> THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUES IN THE PAST.
THEY'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN LICENSES, EVERYTHING WAS WITHIN THE BUILDING, AS MOST OF THEIR EVENTS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CORNHOLE TOURNAMENT.
>> DO WE STILL NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS [OVERLAPPING].
>> SENT OUT TO US, BUT WE REVIEWED IT.
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE PRESTON FIRE COMPANY, A WEDDING RECEPTION THAT WAS HELD SATURDAY, OCTOBER 11 OF 2025 OF 6:00 P.M. TO MIDNIGHT, 12:00 A.M.
THIS WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AND SENT TO US SO THAT WE COULD VERIFY THAT THIS EVENT WAS OKAY TO HAPPEN BEFORE IT DID.
WE'RE JUST NOW APPROVING IT AFTERWARDS.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS WEDDING RECEPTION FOR PRESTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
>> ALL OPPOSED. MOVED. IT LEADS INTO OUR NEXT ONE, THE FEDERALSBURG VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
[Federalsburg VFC - Ducks Unlimited Dinner & Auction]
>> IT'S BEEN A LONGSTANDING [OVERLAPPING].
>> YES. WE HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK IT UP SO THAT WE WERE AWARE OF WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GRANTED THAT, AND IT WAS BACK IN 2016 WHEN YOU HAD [OVERLAPPING].
>> I MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY'VE HAD THE EVENT [OVERLAPPING].
>> EVERY FIRST FRIDAY OF I THINK, NOVEMBER EVERY YEAR, SO.
>> YOU NEED TO READ IT IN FOR THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
>> IF YOU WANT TO VOTE TO RECONFIRM, IF THIS IS STILL CONSIDERED AN ANNUAL EVENT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPEAR.
>> COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE FEDERALSBURG VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
AGAIN, THEY ARE NOT PRESENT FOR THIS MEETING BECAUSE OF THE ANNUAL EVENT THAT THEY RECEIVED BACK IN 2016, THE APPROVAL FOR THIS SPECIFIC EVENT, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN HELD FOR DECADES AT THIS POINT.
THEIR EVENT IS BEING HELD ON NOVEMBER 7, 2025 FROM 4:00 P.M. UNTIL 2:00 A.M.
THIS IS FOR THE DUCKS UNLIMITED EVENT.
THEY ARE REQUESTING TO SELL BEER WINE AND LIQUOR.
THERE IS A CASH BAR, AND THERE'S NO DJ.
KEVIN MOBERY, I HOPE I'M [OVERLAPPING].
>> THANK YOU. APPLIED FOR THIS ONE DAY LICENSE, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT FEDERALSBURG VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY HAS HAD ANY ISSUES, COMPLAINTS, OR VIOLATIONS SINCE THIS APPROVAL.
AGAIN, AS CRYSTAL STATED, WE WILL DISCUSS HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND MANAGE THESE TEMPORARY LICENSES THAT HAVE THESE ANNUAL EVENTS WITH NO ISSUES OCCURRING.
I TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU GUYS.
TREY. DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES OR ANY [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT MOST OF THEIR TIPS CLASSES, SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOOD.
I'VE ATTENDED THREE TIMES, EVERYTHING'S BEEN GOOD SO FAR.
>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECONFIRM THE FELLSBURG VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.
STUCK UNLIMITED DINNER AND AUCTION TO BE HELD ON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER THE 7TH BETWEEN 4:00 P.M. AND 2:00 A.M.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVED THIS LICENSE FOR THE DUX LIMITED AND FEDERALSBURG FILE TO YOUR FIRE COMPANY.
MOVING ON, WE MOVE INTO OUR SHOW CALLS HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE.
[Show Cause Hearings]
THE FIRST ONE UP IS GOING TO BE TRI-ME WAREHOUSE.[Tri-Me Warehouse Foods]
[00:25:01]
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD.WE'LL HAVE YOU STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL DO THE OATH.
DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE IN THE TESTIMONY GIVE US THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT.
>> COMMISSIONERS, HERE, WE RECEIVED AN INSPECTOR INCIDENT REPORT ON SEPTEMBER 24, 2025, AND WE THEN ISSUED THREE SUMMONS ON SEPTEMBER 26 TO MR. YOUNG WOO, MS. KANG WOO, AND MS. JENNIE WOO.
I WILL READ FROM ONE OF THE SUMMONS, BUT THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR ALL THREE THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
WE HAVE A SHOW CAUSE HEARING TODAY FOR YOUNG WOO OF TRI-ME LLC TRADING AS TRI-ME WAREHOUSE FOODS LOCATED AT 11 CENTRAL AVENUE IN RIDGELY, MARYLAND 21660.
TO YOUNG WOO, YOU ARE HEREBY SUMMONED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD OF LICENSED COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND AT 9:30 A.M. ON THE 22ND DAY OF OCTOBER 2025, TO SHOW CAUSE WHY YOUR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE ISSUED BY THIS BOARD TO YOU UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND AS AMENDED SHOULD NOT BE REVOKED, SUSPENDED AND/OR FINE ISSUE FOR THE FOLLOWING ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS AS A RESULT OF AN UNDERAGE COMPLIANCE CHECK INSPECTION BY THE CAROLINE COUNTY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INSPECTOR ON SEPTEMBER 10, 2025.
THE CHARGE READS AS CHARGE NUMBER ONE, ALLEGED VIOLATION OF SECTION 6-304 OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND AND CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSED COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATIONS, NUMBER 2.26, SPECIFICALLY, AN EMPLOYEE SOLD AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE TO AN INDIVIDUAL UNDER THE AGE OF 21 YEARS.
WE HAVE THE PROOF OF SERVICE SERVED BY SHERIFF'S SERGEANT DEWITT IN PERSON TO MR. WOO'S DAUGHTER, JANINE, DELIVERED ON OCTOBER 10, 2025 AT 15 CENTRAL AVENUE IN RIDGELY, MARYLAND.
IN YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL FIND EXHIBITS 1-6.
THE SUMMONS FOR MR. WOO AS EXHIBIT 1, THE SUMMONS FOR MS. WOO AS EXHIBIT 2.
THE SUMMONS FOR JENNIE WOO AS EXHIBIT 3.
THE INCIDENT REPORT IS SHOWN AS EXHIBIT 4, THE CI AFFIDAVIT AS EXHIBIT 5, AND THE FILE INFORMATION AS EXHIBIT 6.
I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR.
>> DO YOU WANT TO READ YOUR [OVERLAPPING].
>> SURE. ON SEPTEMBER 10, 2025, I AS THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INSPECTOR STARTED AN OPERATION THROUGHOUT CAROLINE COUNTY ENSURING THE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE COUNTY WERE IN COMPLIANCE WHEN IT COMES TO SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO PERSONS UNDER 21 YEARS OF AGE.
ALL THE ESTABLISHMENTS CHECKED ON THIS DAY WERE IN THE LIMITS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND.
ON THIS EVENING, I HAD ONE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT, CIRUC, WHO WAS UNDER THE AGE OF 21-YEARS-OLD PARTICIPATING.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE CI WAS USED FOR THE BUY AT THIS LOCATION, USED A STATE ISSUED LICENSE, IDENTIFYING HIM TO BE UNDER THE AGE OF 21, AND NOT ENTERED THE ESTABLISHMENT BEFORE.
I ENSURED THAT THE CI ONLY HAD A WALLET THAT HAD BEEN SEARCHED AND REMOVAL OF ALL CREDIT DEBIT CARDS, AND ANY OTHER FORM OF CURRENCY OTHER THAN MARKED BILLS.
MINOR EFFECTS SUCH AS KEYS AND CELL PHONE STILL REMAINED ON HIS PERSON.
THIS US CURRENCY WAS ONE MARKED $20 BILL, ONE MARKED $5 BILL THAT WERE PHOTOGRAPHED BEFORE THE OPERATION STARTED.
THE CI WAS PHOTOGRAPHED TO ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF THE OPERATION WHEN CHOOSING A CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT.
THE CI WAS INSTRUCTED TO NOT LIE ABOUT THEIR AGE, ENTER THE ESTABLISHMENT, AND PURCHASE AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE WITH THE MARKED MONEY.
THE CI BEING UNDER THE AGE OF 21, HIS STATE ISSUED LICENSE IS VERTICAL, AND THE DATE OF WHEN HE TURNS 21 IS SHOWN ON THE FRONT OF THE LICENSE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLACK.
AT THE TIME OF THIS OPERATION, THE CI HAD RECENTLY TURNED 18-YEARS-OLD.
AT APPROXIMATELY 6:50 P.M. WE ARRIVED IN THE PARKING LOT OF TRI-ME WAREHOUSE FOODS, LOCATED AT 11 CENTRAL AVENUE, RIDGELY, MARYLAND.
I PARKED IN A LOCATION NEAR THE DOOR WHERE I COULD OBSERVE THE CASH REGISTER FROM OUTSIDE.
CI ENTERED THE BUSINESS AND PICKED UP A 12 PACK OF SLIM CANS, 12 FLUID OUNCES OF MICHELOB ULTRA, AT 4.2 ALCOHOL BY VOLUME.
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APPROACHED THE CASH REGISTER.AN UNKNOWN MALE WEARING GLASSES, LONG SLEEVE GRACER AND JEANS AND A BEARD, WALKED UP BEHIND THE COUNTER AND RANG UP THE PURCHASE OF ALCOHOL.
AT NO TIME DID THE MALE ASK FOR THE CI'S IDENTIFICATION.
THE CI HANDED THE CLERK THE MARKED $20 BILL AND RECEIVED $2.56 BACK AND CHANGE.
I MET THE CI JUST OUTSIDE THE DOOR WHERE HE HANDED ME THE 12 PACK AND THE CHANGE.
HE WOULD THEN RETURN TO MY VEHICLE WHERE HE DOCUMENTED HIS CI STATEMENT.
UPON ENTERING THE BUSINESS TO ADVISE HIM OF THE SALE, A CLERK THAT HAS BEEN IN TRI-ME'S BUSINESS DURING MULTIPLE INSPECTION SAID, DID HE JUST SELL TO A KID? TO WHICH I RESPONDED, YES.
YOU JUST SOLD TO A PERSON UNDER 21? ONCE BEHIND THE COUNTER, I ASKED THE STAFF TO RETRIEVE THE $20 BILL OUT OF THE CASH REGISTER.
THIS WAS THE FIRST BILL IN THE REGISTER AND WAS THE MARKED $20 BILL GIVEN TO THE CI AT THE TIME.
WHILE DOING THIS, THE STAFF CALLED MR. WOO'S DAUGHTER KNOWN TO BE THE MANAGER. ONCE MS. WOO ARRIVED ON SCENE, I ADVISED HER OF WHAT HAPPENED.
I THEN ASKED HER WHO THE UNIDENTIFIED MAN THAT COMPLETED THE SALE WAS, TO WHICH SHE RESPONDED, SHE DID NOT KNOW AND DID NOT KNOW HIS NAME.
I ASKED HER IF HE WAS ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES OR ONE OF THE SOON TO BE OWNERS EMPLOYEES TO WHICH SHE RESPONDED, YES. HE'S ONE OF THOSE.
I EXPLAINED TO HER THAT SINCE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE HASN'T TRANSFERRED YET.
HE'S CONSIDERED AN EMPLOYEE OF TRI-ME UNDER THEIR ORIGINAL LICENSE. I ASKED MS. WOO IF SHE KNEW HIS NAME OR HAD ANY EMPLOYEE PAPERWORK ON HIM, WHICH SHE DID NOT.
WHEN I ASKED THE CLERK WHO SOLD THE 12 PACK, HE IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS MR. PADISH [INAUDIBLE] WHEN ASKED IF HE HAD ANY DOCUMENTATION TO IDENTIFY WHO HE WAS, HE SAID HE DID NOT.
AS A RESULT OF THIS, I TOOK A PHOTOGRAPH OF HIM BEHIND THE CASH REGISTER, AND I THEN ASKED HIM IF HE WORKED HERE.
HE SAID HE IS TRAINING AND ONLY USES THE REGISTER SOMETIMES.
I THEN FOLLOWED UP BY ASKING HIM IF HE KNEW WHAT HE DID WRONG, TO WHICH HE RESPONDED, HE DID NOT.
I EXPLAINED THAT HE DID NOT ASK FOR ID AND AND KNEW WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG, TO WHICH HE RESPONDED HE DID NOT.
I EXPLAINED HE DID NOT ASK FOR ID AND SOLD ALCOHOL TO A PERSON UNDER 21.
AFTER ASKING ALL THE STAFF IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS TO WHICH THEY RESPONDED, THEY DID NOT.
I COMPLETED THE EVIDENCE AND DOCUMENTATION PROCESS AND RETURNED THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE AND CHANGE IN RETURN FOR THE MARKED US CURRENCY.
NO OTHER VIOLATIONS WERE DISCOVERED, ALL PHOTOGRAPHS WERE SUPPLIED AS EVIDENCE AND SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR OF THE CI HAS PROVIDED A WRITTEN STATEMENT REGARDING THAT SALE THAT OCCURRED.
THE TWO VIOLATIONS WERE THE NOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, ARTICLE SECTION 6-304, AND CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION 2.26.
SPECIFICALLY, AN EMPLOYEE SOLD AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE TO A PERSON UNDER 21 YEARS OF AGE ON SEPTEMBER 10, 2025.
CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSION RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.17 B, EMPLOYEE RECORDS.
LICENSEES SHALL MAINTAIN RECORDS CONTAIN THE LEGAL NAME, ALIASES, ADDRESSES, AGES, AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS OF ALL PERSONS EMPLOYED BY THEM.
SUCH RECORDS SHALL BE OPEN FOR INSPECTION, BUT AT ANY TIME BY A DULY AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD, ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES.
EMPLOYEES SHALL BE DEFINED TO MEAN ALL PERMANENT FULL AND PART TIME EMPLOYEES, AS WELL AS ALL TEMPORARY OR CASUAL LABOR WHO HANDLE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
THE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED WOULD BE THE CI STATE ISSUED ID, FRONT AND BACK, IDENTIFYING HIM TO BE UNDER THE AGE OF 21, AND CURRENTLY AT THE AGE OF 18.
THE NEXT PICTURE WOULD BE A PICTURE OF OUR CI ON THAT DATE.
THE FOLLOWING PICTURE LABEL BY MONEY AND ALCOHOL PURCHASED IS EXACTLY THAT, THE MARKED US CURRENCY USED.
THE FOLLOWING PICTURE IS THE ALCOHOL PURCHASED ON THE COUNTER WITH THE CHANGE AND THE MARKED US CURRENCY.
THEN FINALLY ON THE LAST PAGE, IT'S THE PURCHASE OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, IDENTIFYING IT AS AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, AND FINALLY, THE PICTURE OF THE CLERK WHO SOLD. THANK YOU.
>> WELL, IT WAS 11 YEARS OF CLAIMS, AND I'M READY TO GO RETIRES.
[NOISE] WE WERE TRAINING EMPLOYEES, AND HE HAD SCHEDULED TO GO TAKE TRAIN THREE DAYS LATER, AND IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE THREE DAYS TO ALL THIS.
EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID IT WHAT HAPPENS, AND I GUESS THIS IS THE LAST TIME I WANT TO BE HERE.
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I'M GOING TO BE RETIRED, SO WHAT CAN I SAY.OF 52 YEARS IN BUSINESS, AND I'M LIVING WITH NIGHTS.
>> NO. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRANSFERS ARE IN PROCESS.
IT'S BEEN SINCE 2014 SINCE TRAINEES HAD ANY ISSUES.
MAYBE THE TRAINING SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE QUITE THE WAY IT DID.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE SITTING HERE BECAUSE IT DID.
SO UNTIL HE TRAINED THE TRAINING.
WE TRIED TO AVOID D. YOU KNOW, HE JUST WATCHED IT PROCESS.
BUT AT THAT TIME, THAT THE TRAINEE WAS ON THE LOTTERY MACHINE, SO HE JUST PERIOD OF TIME.
CUSTOMER WALKED IN. HE DID AND HE JUST JUMPED IN, SO IT JUST.
D DID THE EMPLOYEE TAKE THE TRAINING THREE DAYS LATER? I DIDN'T RECEIVE NOTIFICATION THAT HE RECEIVED TRAINING.
AND YOU STILL OWN THE BUSINESS TODAY? NO, SIR.
OUT OF THE NOW. YES. OKAY. I WAS FULLY IN CHARGE AT THAT POINT.
AND YOU WERE JUST TRAINING HIM FOR THE FOR THE NEW OWNERS TO TAKE OVER OR WHATEVER? YES.
NORMALLY AFTER T CHANGE THE HAND IN TWO WEEKS TRAINING TIME, BUT WE WERE TRIED TO SAVE TIME TO.
SO WE ALLOWED TRAINING EARLIER.
SO IF EVERYTHING WAS SCHEDULED, HE WOULD FINISH TIP TRAINING THEN COME TO WORK, BUT IT'S YES.
SAVE A FEW DAYS AND HE WAS BEHIND THE COUNTER TRAINING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO ADD TO IT? NO. SORRY. I THINK MORE YOUR THOUGHTS ON BASED ON THE TESTIMONY AND THE EVIDENCE, I THINK THERE WAS A VIOLATION? YES. MR. WOO IS NOT DENYING THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION.
YEAH. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SECURELY SAY THAT ON THE TWO CHARGES TO BE GUILTY OF BOTH CHARGES, THE 603 OF THE STATE CODE AND THE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSERS RULE 2.26 OF SELLING ALCOHOL TO A PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF 21.
I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THAT'S A GUILTY.
AND THEN ALSO CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONER RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.17 B, THE EMPLOYEE RECORDS, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THE TRANSFER AND EVERYTHING NOT BEING TOTALLY COMPLETE, THAT WE WE THEY DID VIOLATE THAT ALSO.
MAKE A MOTION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FIND THAT TRIME WAREHOUSE LIQUORS VIOLATED THE ATTY CODE OF MARYLAND ALCOHOL BURBAGE ARTICLE 6 6-304 AND THE CAROLINE COUNTY LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION.
AM IN THE RIGHT ONE? YES. YEAH.
2.26 AS WELL AS CAROLINE COUNTY LICENSE REGULATION 2.17 B.
IT'S BEEN MOOD AND SECONDED THAT WE FIND THEM IN VIOLATION OF THE UNDERAGE SALE FOR THE ALCOHOL AND EMPLOYEE RECORDS.
ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. AYE, A.
COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT WHEN YOU DO YOUR DELIBERATIONS FOR ANY POTENTIAL PENALTIES THAT YOU SEPARATE THOSE OUT FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT CHARGES WHEN YOU DO THAT.
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OKAY.SO YOU DON'T WANT THEM TOGETHER, YOU WANT I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO THEM SEPARATELY.
WE CAN RUN THEM CONCURRENT, THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S NO. IT'S NOT SO CHART.
WAS IT NOT ON THE SUM? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
THIS WAS IN LISTING BOTH OF THEM WAS IN THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR DELIBERATION.
WE'RE GOING TO DELIBERATE ON THE CHARGE NUMBER ONE.
THE RULE REGULATION NUMBER 2.26 UNDERAGE SALE TO A MINOR.
WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU FEEL AS A VIOLATION? I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES IN THIS CASE AND A CLEAN RECORD FOR 11 YEARS.
YEAH? YEAH. SO I'M CERTAINLY NOT RECOMMENDING A SEVERE FINE FOR SUSPENSION.
T BUT I THINK IT DOES WARRANT MORE I DON'T KNOW I KIND OF STUCK BETWEEN A $500 FINE OR A LETTER OF REPRIMAND.
WELL, I I THINK WE NEED TO STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS OF SEWN TO A MINOR IS SERIOUS STUFF.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ONE ABOVE LETTER OF REPRIMAND, THAT IT DEFINITELY DESERVES.
IT'S IT'S ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S ONE OF THE MORE SERIOUS THINGS THAT WE SEE AND WE LIKE TO NOT SEE SO $500 FINE.
IF WE WANT TO BE A LITTLE LENIENT, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY VIOLATIONS IN 11 YEARS, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE $500 FOR THAT ONE. THE FIRST CHARGE.
I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THE 500.
SO THE FIRST CHARGE BEING WHICH ONE? THE ANTID SELLING TO THE MINOR SIX OH 36 OH 36-3 OH FOUR AND THE COUNTY CODE OF 222266.
IS THERE SO THIS IS THE STATE OF MARYLAND AND LOCAL RULE.
BOTH. OKAY. IT'S THE STATE OF MARYLAND, I KNOW WE'VE HAD ISSUES BEFORE ABOUT THE STATE OF MARYLAND WITH PARTS AND THEY DON'T DICTATE WHAT SO PUT ON IT.
IN IN THERE, IT IS A MAXIMUM OF $2,500 FOR A FINE THAT YOU CAN GIVE.
BUT IT DOESN'T STIPULATE A MINIMUM.
WE USUALLY DO 1,000. WE USUALLY DO DO 1,000.
ON ON A FIRST OFFENSE GO? NO. IT'S USUALLY DO 500 ON A FIRST OFFENSE. NO? YEAH. I DEJA THAT I'S 1,000 AND THEY'VE BEEN 21000.
WERE YOU GO. BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE A CHANGE INSTEAD OF 1,000.
I SAID, 11 YEARS SINCE ANY PRIOR VIOLATIONS.
SO I THINK WE'RE WELL WITHIN OUR REASON TO REDUCE IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND ALSO, THIS HAS ALREADY HAD A TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP.
AND THE EMPLOYEES BEEN HAS BEEN TRAINED.
NOW. SO DO YOU WANT US TO MAKE A MOTION BACK FOR EACH CHARGE.
YEAH, WE GOT TO FINISH WITH THIS ONE AND THEN WE F WITH A $500 FINE.
YOU WANT MADE A MOTION THAT? YEAH. OKAY. FOR TRIM WAREHOUSE, THE FIRST VIOLATION OF VIOLATING THE ADIDATED CODE OF MARYLAND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARTICLE SECTION 6-3 OH FOUR AND THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD LEN COMMISSIONER RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.26, SPECIFICALLY SELLING ALCOHOL TO A PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF 21 IMPOSE A $500 FINE.
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IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE IMPOSE A $500 FINE ON THIS CHARGE.THE NEXT ONE WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS THE RULE REGULATION NUMBER 2.17, THE EMPLOYEE RECORDS.
WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ON THAT? I FEEL LIKE THEY GOT CAUGHT IN A WORM HOLE, SO TO SPEAK.
SO I'M I MEAN, WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THEY'RE GUILTY OF IT.
BUT IT WAS LIKE I SAID, THEY WERE KIND OF IN THEY'RE KIND OF IN THIS MIDDLE OF A TRANSITIONAL THING.
AND THAT PERSON THAT WAS WORKING IS ACTUALLY AN EMPLOYEE OF THE NEW ESTABLISHMENT, BUT THE NEW ESTABLISHMENT HADN'T QUITE TAKEN OVER, AND THERE WAS A FAILURE TO LIST THEM.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS A ON PURPOSE TYPE THING.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE TAKING OVER.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM, WE'RE LETTING THEM TRAIN.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU? I KNOW THAT AT TIMES WE HAVE DECIDED TO DO $100 FINES, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M THERE FOR $100 FINE FOR THIS BECAUSE I SAID IT WAS JUST AN EXTREMELY UNINTENTIONAL ERROR THAT HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF A TRANSITION.
WHAT PENALTY? WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A FINE.
I MEAN, IF WE DID A LETTER OF REPRIMAND, IT DOESN'T REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY GOING ANYWHERE, BUT I THINK THAT SOMETHING STILL SHOULD BE ON RECORD SHOWING THAT THIS FINE YOU WERE GUILTY, AND THIS IS HOW WE REACTED TO THIS FINDING OF GUILT.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MINIMUM, I YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DO YOU SUGGEST WERE THAT? HOW DO YOU SUGGEST DO THAT? HOW DO I SUGGEST YOU I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR WE'VE ALREADY FOUND HIM GUILTY ON CHARGE NUMBER TWO, NOT HAVING AN EMPLOYEE LISTED.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IT IS KIND OF THEY WERE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF A TRANSITIONAL STATE.
SO I'M JUST I'M THINKING THAT JUST A LETTER OF REPRIMAND TO GO ON FILE FOR TRIME WAREHOUSE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BEYOND THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT A FINE IS REALLY THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST REALLY STRANGE.
SO THE STATUTE GIVES YOU DISCRETION.
IF YOU WANTED TO ISSUE A LETTER OF REPRIMAND IN LIGHT OF THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, BOTH TO THE PRECEDING LICENSE HOLDER WHO IS STILL TECHNICALLY THE LICENSE HOLDER UNTIL THE NEW LICENSE IS HANDED OVER TO THE TO BE NEW LICENSE HOLDER AND COPY OF THE NEW LICENSE HOLDER.
SO IF THEY'RE BOTH ON NOTICE WITH REGARD TO THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO KEEP APPROPRIATE RECORDS, NEW LICENSE HOLDER, I BELIEVE IS HERE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY THE BOARD'S DISCRETION.
I I LIKE THAT IDEA THAT A LETTER REPS AND GIVEN GIVEN THAT THE OLD, BUT YOU ALSO TELLING THE NEW.
LET THEM KNOW THAT HEY, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE YEAH.
YOU'RE PHONE SO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION ON THAT GLENN? GO AHEAD.
YEAH, GOO AHEAD. YOU STARTED THIS.
OKAY. SO ON CHARGE NUMBER TWO, CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONER'S RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.17 B AS PERTAINING TO EMPLOYEE RECORDS.
I RECOMMEND THAT WE SEND A LETTER REPRIMAND TO TRI M WAREHOUSE AND ALSO TO THE NEW LICENSE HOLDER SO THAT THEY WILL HAVE IT ON FILE KNOWING THAT THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO KEEP THEIR RECORDS.
THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE IT WAS A REMAND SO I SECOND A MEASURE.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS LETTER OF REPRIMAND.
ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, MR. W. THANK YOU, SIR.
ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT. BYE. DON'T SAY GOOD RIDDEN.
SO YOU HAVE TO SO HE HAS TO MAKE A $500 FINE.
AND ISN'T THERE A $50 ADMINISTRATIONS, MR. WU.
THERE WILL BE I BELIEVE A $50 ADMINISTRATION FEE THAT GOES ON ALONG WITH THE $500 FINE.
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THERE'S A 30 DAY.YOU'LL STILL SEND HIM A LETTER. YES.
WE CAN GET THE LETTER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.
ENJOY YOUR RETIREMENT. THANK YOU.
[Red Light Liquors]
OUR NEXT SHOW CALLS HEARING.ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> EVERYBODY STAND UP FOR A SECOND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WE'LL DO THE OATH, GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE IN A TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> R. G. RITTER, 11876 HOLLY PLAINS DR, RIDGELY, MARYLAND.
>> ROBIN RITTER, 11876 HOLLY PLAINS DR, RIDGELY, MARYLAND.
>> YOU GUYS MAY BE SEATED, PLEASE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THORNTON JR., FOR THE RECORD, REPRESENTING RED LIGHT LIQUORS.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HER READ IT.
>> COMMISSIONERS WE RECEIVED AN INSPECTOR INCIDENT REPORT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025 AND WE ISSUED THREE SUMMONS ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, WHICH WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE PROOF OF SERVICES ON SEPTEMBER 11TH.
THEN ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, WE RECEIVED THE REQUEST OF POSTPONEMENT FROM THE ATTORNEY BOB THORNTON FOR THE HEARING SET FOR SEPTEMBER 23RD BOARD MEETING.
THE BOARD APPROVED THE POSTPONEMENT VIA AN APPROVAL LETTER AND THREE NEW SUMMONS WAS ISSUED ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2025 TO ROBIN RITTER, RETT RITTER AND ROBERT RITTER II AND I'LL READ ONE OF THE SUMMONS.
I'LL READ THE ONE FROM ROBIN RITTER WHO'S PRESENT RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A SHOW CAUSE HEARING TODAY FOR ROBIN RITTER, RETT RITTER AND ROBERT RITTER II OF ROBIN'S KEG, ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO LLC TRADING AS RED LIGHT LIQUORS LOCATED AT 601 NORTH SIXTH STREET UNIT H IN DENTON, MARYLAND 21629.
TO ROBIN RITTER, YOU ARE HEREBY SUMMONED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND AT 9:30 AM ON THE 22ND DAY OF OCTOBER 2025 TO SHOW CAUSE WHY YOUR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE ISSUED BY THE BOARD TO YOU UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND AS AMENDED SHOULD NOT BE REVOKED, SUSPENDED AND/OR FINE ISSUED FOR THE FOLLOWING ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS AS A RESULT OF AN UNDERAGE COMPLIANCE CHECK INSPECTION BY THE CAROLINE COUNTY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INSPECTOR ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2025.
CHARGE NUMBER 1 IS LISTED ALLEGED VIOLATION OF SECTION 6-304 OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND AND CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSED COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION, NUMBER 2.26, SPECIFICALLY, AN EMPLOYEE SOLD AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE TO AN INDIVIDUAL UNDER THE AGE OF 21 YEARS.
WE HAVE THE PROOF OF SERVICE SERVED BY SHERIFFS SERGEANT DEWITT, BADGE NUMBER 0189 IN PERSON DELIVERED ON OCTOBER 8TH, 2025 AT 601 NORTH 6TH STREET IN DENTON, MARYLAND.
IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU'LL FIND EXHIBITS 1-8, ATTORNEY POSTPONEMENT REQUEST OF THIS HEARING BACK IN SEPTEMBER AS EXHIBIT 1, THE BOARD'S APPROVAL OF POSTPONEMENT LETTER AS EXHIBIT 2, THE SUMMONS FOR ROBIN RITTER, AS EXHIBIT 3, THE SUMMONS FOR RETT RITTER AS EXHIBIT 4, THE SUMMONS FOR ROBERT RITTER, AS EXHIBIT 5, THE INCIDENT REPORT SHOWN AS EXHIBIT 6, THE CI AFFIDAVIT SHOWN AS EXHIBIT 7 AND THE FILE INFORMATION AS EXHIBIT 8.
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I'LL TURN IT OVER BACK TO THE CHAIR.>> THANK YOU. TREY, CAN WE HAVE YOU READ YOUR INCIDENT REPORT IN.
>> SURE. ON AUGUST 15TH, 2025, I, AS THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INSPECTOR STARTED AN OPERATION THROUGHOUT THE CAROLINE COUNTY, ENSURING THE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE COUNTY WERE IN COMPLIANCE WHEN IT COMES TO SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO PERSONS UNDER 21 YEARS OF AGE.
ALL THE ESTABLISHMENTS CHECKED ON THIS DAY WERE IN THE LIMITS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND.
ON THIS EVENING, I HAD TWO CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANTS, CI OR UCS, WHO WERE UNDER THE AGE OF 21 YEARS OLD PARTICIPATING.
SHOULD BE NOTED THAT CI1 WAS USED FOR THIS BY THIS LOCATION.
SHE USED HER STATE ISSUED LICENSE, IDENTIFYING HER TO BE UNDER THE AGE OF 21 AND ENTERED THE ESTABLISHMENT BEFORE AS SHE WAS USED FOR THE LAST UNDER 21 COMPLIANCE CHECK.
I ENSURED THAT BOTH CIS ONLY HAD A WRISTLET PURSE THAT HAD BEEN SEARCHED AND REMOVED ALL CREDIT, DEBIT CARDS AND ANY OTHER FORM OF CURRENCY OTHER THAN THE MARKED BILLS.
MINOR EFFECTS SUCH AS KEYS AND OTHER FORMS OF ID AND PERSONAL EFFECTS REMAINED IN THE WRISTLET.
THIS USED CURRENCY WAS USED, WAS TWO MARKED $20 BILLS THAT WERE PHOTOGRAPHED BEFORE THE OPERATION STARTED.
ALL CIS WERE PHOTOGRAPHED TO ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF THE OPERATION WHEN CHOOSING A CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT.
CIS WERE INSTRUCTED TO NOT LIE ABOUT THEIR AGE, ENTER THE ESTABLISHMENT AND PURCHASE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE WITH THE MARKED MONEY.
BOTH CIS BEING UNDER THE AGE OF 21, THEIR STATE ISSUED LICENSES VERTICAL, AND THE DATE OF WHEN THEY TURNED 21 IS SHOWN ON THE FRONT OF THE LICENSE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
AT THE TIME OF THIS OPERATION, BOTH CIS WERE 19 YEARS OLD.
AT APPROXIMATELY 8:30 PM, WE ARRIVED IN THE PARKING LOT OF RED LIGHT LIQUORS LOCATED AT 601 NORTH SIXTH STREET, UNIT H DENTON, MARYLAND.
I PARKED IN THE FIRST SPOT IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE OF RED LIGHT LIQUORS WHERE I COULD OBSERVE BOTH CIS AND MONITOR THEIR ACTIVITIES WHILE USING THE SECURITY CAMERA FOOTAGE DISPLAYED ON THE TV MONITOR.
BOTH CIS ENTERED THE ESTABLISHMENT WHERE CI1 PICKED UP A SIX PACK OF SMIRNOFF ICE ORANGE CREAM POP, AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.
THIS INCLUDES SIX 11.2 FLUID OUNCE PACKS OF SMIRNOFF ICE.
THIS INCLUDED SIX 11.2 FLUID OUNCE OF BOTTLES LABELED AT 4.5 ALCOHOL BY VOLUME.
CI1 APPROACHED THE COUNTER WHERE TWO OF THE EMPLOYEES WERE, CI2 REMAINED A FEW FEET AWAY IN FRONT OF THE DOOR.
I OBSERVED THE EMPLOYEE, LOGAN MCHENRY, LOOK AT THE CI1 STATE ISSUED DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND THEN COMPLETE THE SALE BY RECEIVING THE MARKED $20 BILL AND RETURN $10.20 BACK IN CHANGE TO CI1.
CI1 THEN TOOK POSSESSION OF THE SIX PACK AND CHANGE AND MET ME AT THE DOOR.
CI1 AND 2 WOULD THEN COMPLETE THEIR CI STATEMENTS WHILE I NOTIFIED THE EMPLOYEES OF THE VIOLATION.
WHEN THE EMPLOYEES WERE CONFRONTED ABOUT THE VIOLATION, THE EMPLOYEE MR. MCHENRY STATED, NO WAY.
AT THE TIME, HE CONTINUED TO SAY A SPECIFIC DATE IN JANUARY 2025 OVER AND OVER.
WHEN I THEN ASKED HIM WHAT THAT MEANT, HE STATED THAT HE READ THE ID.
AT THAT POINT, MY RESPONSE WAS THAT IF HER DATE OF BIRTH WAS 2025, THAT MEANS SHE WOULD ONLY BE 1-YEARS-OLD AT THE MOST.
MR. MCHENRY THEN REALIZED THAT HE READ THE ID WRONG.
I FOLLOWED UP BY TELLING HIM, THE FIRST SIGN OF BEING ON A 21 YEARS OF OLD WAS THAT HER STATE ISSUED LICENSE WAS STILL VERTICAL.
AT THIS TIME, I ASKED EMPLOYEES TO RETRIEVE THE MARKED BILLS OUT OF THE REGISTER.
HE JUST OPENED THE REGISTER AND OBSERVED AS I TOOK THE FIRST $20 BILL AND GAVE HIM THE CHANGE.
THE MARKED BILL WAS STILL ON TOP OF THE TILL IN THE 20S COLUMN.
THE EMPLOYEE THEN RECEIVED THE $10.20 BACK IN CHANGE ALONG WITH THE PURCHASED ALCOHOL AFTER ALL EVIDENCE WAS PHOTOGRAPHED AND DOCUMENTED.
AT THIS TIME, MS. ROBIN RITTER ENTERED THE BUSINESS WHERE EMPLOYEES AND I EXPLAINED WHAT HAPPENED.
AFTER I FOLLOWED UP BY TRYING TO EDUCATE THE STAFF, I THEN PROCEEDED TO THE BACK WHERE I WENT ON TO FURTHER EXPLAIN TO MS. RITTER HOW SEVERAL BUSINESSES WERE TESTED ON THIS NIGHT AND WANTED TO ASSURE HER THAT EVERY BUSINESS IS TESTED IN THE SAME WAY UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS TO CONSIDER.
AT THIS TIME WITH NO OTHER VIOLATIONS OBSERVED, I EXITED THE BUSINESS AND CONTINUED WITH THE OPERATION.
NO OTHER VIOLATIONS WERE DISCOVERED.
ALL PHOTOGRAPHS WERE SUPPLIED AS EVIDENCE AND SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR.
THE CI HAS PROVIDED A WRITTEN STATEMENT REGARDING THAT SALE THAT OCCURRED.
THE FOLLOWING VIOLATIONS WERE DISCOVERED.
NOTED CODE OF MARYLAND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, ARTICLE SECTION 6-304 AND CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSION RULES AND REGULATIONS 2.26.
SPECIFICALLY, AN EMPLOYEE SOLD ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE TO A PERSON UNDER 21 YEARS OF AGE ON AUGUST 15TH, 2025.
THE EVIDENCE INCLUDES THE FIRST PHOTOGRAPH IS CI1'S STATE ISSUED IDENTIFICATION, SHOWING HER TO BE 21, 11-16-2026.
THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE CI2'S IDENTIFICATION, SHOWING HER TO BE 21 ON 9-8-2026.
THE FOLLOWING PICTURE LABELED CI2 AND ONE BEFORE
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THE OPERATION IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF BOTH CIS BEFORE THE OPERATION.THE FOLLOWING TWO PICTURES ARE THE US CURRENCY FRONT AND BACK THAT WERE USED THAT NIGHT.
THE NEXT PICTURE WOULD BE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IDENTIFIED AS SMIRNOFF ICE ORANGE CREAM POP, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING PHOTOGRAPH WOULD BE THE BUY MONEY ALONG WITH THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN THE INDIVIDUAL FORM, IDENTIFYING IT AS 4.5 ALCOHOL BY VOLUME.
THE NEXT PICTURE WOULD BE THE BUY MONEY THAT WAS TAKEN AND THE CHANGE RECEIVED BACK.
>> MR. THORNTON, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS, IF I MAY.
>> INSPECTOR. YOU DIDN'T CHECK ANY OTHER RECORDS OR ANYTHING WHEN YOU WERE IN THERE? CHECK FOR INVOICES, CHECK FOR ANYTHING ELSE?
>> OKAY. I'M CURIOUS AS TO YOUR VANTAGE POINT.
YOU SAID YOU WERE YOU WERE LOOKING AT A SCREEN?
>> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SCREEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT.
>> THERE'S A TV IN FRONT OF THERE THAT SHOWS ALL THE DIFFERENT SECURITY MONITORS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] OKAY. HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THE STORE AT THAT TIME, IF YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS?
>> APPROXIMATELY MY TWO AND THEIR EMPLOYEES.
>> OKAY. DID YOU SEE ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THERE?
>> WE WERE THE ONLY VEHICLE IN THERE.
>> BUT YOU WEREN'T IN THERE. I MEAN, YOU WERE OUTSIDE UNTIL YOU WENT BACK IN, RIGHT?
>> NOW, MR. MCHENRY, DIDN'T HE STATE THE DATE THAT HE READ ON THE LICENSE?
>> WAS THAT DATE HIGHLIGHTED IN JANUARY 2, 2024?
>> I'D HAVE TO REFER BACK TO MY REPORT, BUT HE DID SAY JANUARY 2025.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE DATE.
>> YEAH. THE DATE HE REFERRED TO WAS HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS LICENSE, WASN'T IT?
>> IT WASN'T A MARYLAND LICENSE.
>> NO, THIS WAS NOT A MARYLAND ID.
>> OKAY, AND YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF DELAWARE LICENSE, CORRECT?
>> OKAY, AND THEN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER, THE HIGHLIGHTED DATE?
>> HIGHLIGHTED IN DARK, I GUESS IT'S BLACK.
>> BLACK COLOR, VISION OF IT, BLACK.
NOW, YOU SAID THIS CI, I BELIEVE, THE ONE THAT DID THE PARTICULAR OPERATION HERE HAD BEEN IN THERE BEFORE?
>> OKAY, IS THAT STANDARD PROCEDURE TO SEND THE SAME PERSON IN THERE THAT'S BEEN IN THERE BEFORE?
>> IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. BECAUSE I NOTICED IN THE IN THE HEARING JUST BEFORE US, YOU SAID THEY HAD NEVER BEEN.
YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU SAID THEY HAD NEVER BEEN IN THE STORE BEFORE.
>> OKAY, SO YOU PLACED AN EMPHASIS ON IT.
WHY DO YOU PLACE EMPHASIS ON ONE CASE? YOU DON'T PLACE THE EMPHASIS ON THE OTHER CASE?
>> BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE TO THE COMMISSION, ALSO TO STATE TO THE PERSON THAT'S COMING IN FOR THE HEARING, SO THAT THE PERSON CAN'T SAY, WHY, I'VE SEEN HIM IN HERE BEFORE.
BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN USED AS A DEFENSE BEFORE THAT, OH, HE'S BEEN IN HERE BEFORE.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PEOPLE ARE IDENTIFIED AND TO STAY FACTUAL THAT YES, THIS PERSON WAS USED THE LAST TIME, BUT IT'S ALSO THE AVAILABILITY OF WHO I GET TO VOLUNTEER OR WHO IS USED FOR ACI.
>> THIS PARTICULAR NIGHT, YOU ONLY HAVE DELAWARE CIS, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> NOW, IS IT TRUE THAT THE MERRILL'S LAW ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT IF YOU DO, LET'S SEE WHAT IT SAYS, IF YOU USE DUE CAUTION TO ESTABLISH THAT INDIVIDUALS NOT OF AGE 21 AND THAT THEY'RE NOT A RESIDENT OF THE STATE, THEN THE TRIER OF FACT,
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MEANING THE BOARD OR COURT, WHATEVER, CAN MAKE THAT DECISION WHETHER DUE CAUTION WAS USED OR NOT.DO YOU KNOW THAT PARTICULAR STATUTE?
>> NO. I DO NOT KNOW THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE A COLOR COPY OF THE DELAWARE LICENSE BECAUSE MINE'S WITHOUT COLOR.
>> I CAN PULL IT UP IF YOU NEED TO.
>> DOES THE BOARD HAVE COLORED COPIES? IS THAT ONE OF THE EXHIBITS?
>> YOU HAVE COLORED COPIES? YOU SAID THE SECOND CI WAS HANGING AROUND, I GUESS, NEAR THE DOORWAY?
>> HOW LONG DID IT TAKE THE FIRST CI TO GET MAKE THE TRANSACTION?
>> DID SHE GO RIGHT IN, GRAB SOMETHING, AND GO RIGHT UP TO THE COUNTER AT THAT POINT?
>> OKAY, AND THEN CAME BACK OUT?
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRETTY QUICK TRANSACTION, RIGHT? I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME.
>> DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT, MR. THORNTON, OR DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE ATTORNEY ON THE PAPERWORK THAT YOU HANDED HIM AT THIS POINT OR YOU WANT TO DO THAT LATER?
>> NO, I'VE GOT SOME MORE PAPERWORK.
>> I'M HAPPY TO READ REAL QUICKLY, JUST TO CERTIFY, THE PROVISION MR. THORNTON PROVIDED TO ME IS SECTION 24-2702 OF MARYLAND ALCOHOL BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS CODE, COMES UNDER TITLE 24 OF THE ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE AND CANNABIS ARTICLE, WHICH APPLIES TO CAPE COUNTY MARYLAND, NOT CAROLINE COUNTY, SO IT DOESN'T APPLY.
>> I'M GOING TO CALL ROB THINK MISS RITTER AS A WITNESS, IF I MAY, BEFORE I LUNGE INTO ANY ARGUMENTS.
ROBIN, LET ME CALL YOU. YOUR NAME IS?
>> YOU ARE AN OWNER OF THE BUSINESS?
>> YOU'RE ON THE LICENSE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WERE YOU IN THE ESTABLISHMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR DATE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> WERE YOU THE ONLY ONE WORKING? DO YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WORKING?
>> THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE WORKING.
>> WHEN YOU SAY SEVERAL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 1, 2, 3?
>> WE HAD TWO OTHER PEOPLE SCHEDULED TO WORK THAT NIGHT AND THEY WERE WORKING.
>> ON THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT WAS MR. MCHENRY ACTING AS AN EMPLOYEE?
>> HE WAS NOT ON THE SCHEDULE TO WORK THAT NIGHT.
>> HAS HE WORKED THERE BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. HE HAS WORKED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> HAS HE WORKED THERE SINCE THIS?
>> WHEN HE DID WORK, WAS HE CONSIDERED JUST PART TIME OR WHAT?
>> VERY PART TIME, JUST ON AS NEEDED BASIS.
>> WHEN DID HE USUALLY BECOME AS NEEDED? WHEN SOMEBODY CALLED IN SICK?
>> IF SOMEONE CALLED IN SICK, OR WE, AS YOU KNOW, ON SEVERAL BUSINESSES, SO IF WE HAD EVENTS GOING ON WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE
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MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES AND JUST WERE SHORTHANDED AT THE STORE.>> WELL, IF HE WASN'T WORKING, WHAT WAS HE DOING IN THE STORE? I GUESS IS.
>> HE HAD STOPPED IN TO BUY SOMETHING TO DRINK.
>> AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, I GUESS, WHERE WERE YOU AND THE TWO OTHER EMPLOYEES?
>> I HAD RUN OVER TO BURGER KING TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT.
DAN, WHO WAS THE OTHER EMPLOYEE ON, HAD GOTTEN A CALL FROM HIS LANDLORD THAT HIS DOG HAD GOTTEN OUT.
HE LIVES TWO BLOCKS OVER, AND HE RAN OVER TO GET HIS DOG BACK IN THE HOUSE AND THEN IMMEDIATELY RETURNED.
>> COREY WAS WORKING AT COREY PROFIT.
>> HE WAS WORKING AT THE REGISTER.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE ASKED LOGAN TO WATCH THE REGISTER WHILE HE RAN TO THE BATHROOM.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? WELL, LET ME REFRESH MY MEMORY HERE.
I DON'T THINK OF YOU. RJ, DID YOU NEED TO TESTIFY OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE TESTIMONY?
>> I'M OKAY WITH THE TESTIMONY.
>> YOU WEREN'T WORKING THAT NIGHT?
>> NO. SORRY. [LAUGHTER] LATER.
>> I'M READY TO SUMMARIZE IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.
>> YOU SAID THAT THE PERSON THAT SOLD THE ALCOHOL WAS JUST A CUSTOMER THAT NIGHT?
>> HE WAS NOT ON THE SCHEDULE.
>> BUT HE JUST CAME IN TO BUY A SODA OR WHATEVER, AND THEN HE JUMPED BEHIND THE COUNTER?
>> YES, AND WAS TALKING TO THE GUYS. THEY'RE ALL FRIENDS.
THEY'RE AWARE THAT LOGAN WORKS ON A PART TIME BASIS.
THEY'RE AWARE THAT HE HAS HIS SERVSAFE CERTIFICATION.
>> HE HAS HIS WHAT, DID YOU SAY?
>> THEY DON'T HAVE TIPS ANYMORE AT SERVSAFE.
MR. THORNTON HAS A COPY OF THAT.
>> THAT'S ONE THAT CARRY OVER, I THINK, OPERATES.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S TAKEN OVER FROM TIPS. IS IT?
>> ARE YOU DOING SERVSAFE NOW?
>> WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT. I WASN'T SURE.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE YOU HAD SAID HE WAS JUST A CUSTOMER WHO WAS JUST BUYING A SODA OR WHATEVER, AND SOMEHOW HE GOT BEHIND THE COUNTER AND WAS SELLING.
>> DO WE HAVE UPDATED LIST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ALCOHOL WERE TRAINED BECAUSE HE'S NOT ON THE LIST THAT WE HAVE?
>> NO. WHAT WE HAVE ON FILE IS ANYTHING WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED BY FROM THE LICENSE HOLDER.
>> YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPDATING US ON ANYONE THAT CHANGES?
>> THIS NEW SERVSAFE THING IS SO DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET A CARD IN THE MAIL OR ANYTHING, THEY JUST GET A EMAIL.
I MAKE SURE THEY GET ALL THE NEW ONES OVER.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU GOT?
>> NO. I'M GOOD. MR. THORNTON.
>> THE LAW HERE IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THIS COMMISSION ON ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, AND CANNABIS, WHICH IS TAKEN OVER FROM WHAT USED TO BE THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, AND THIS IS, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT A STATE AGENCY, BUT IT'S UNDER THE DIRECT OPERATION OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
IT'S THE GOVERNOR'S COMMISSION.
IT'S NOT A PART OF THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'VE HAD TO REVAMP ALL OF THE LAWS SO THAT THEY APPLY.
I'VE HAD TO RESEARCH THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE BECAUSE I'VE REPRESENTED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE RECENTLY ON TOBACCO ISSUES BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE CONCENTRATING THE COMMISSION ON TOBACCO AND CANNABIS NOW.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM LATELY DO ANYTHING ON ALCOHOL, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S ALL THE SAME LAW.
TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL AND CANNABIS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
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CANNABIS HAS A SCIENTIFIC EFFECT ON YOU.FIRST THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF A PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE HERE.
THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS GENTLEMAN WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
NOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CHECKED OUT THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE OWNERS' LICENSEES ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP ON THE PREMISES, A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EMPLOYEES AND WHO WORK THERE, AND WHETHER THEY'RE TIP TRAINED OR NOT.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP THAT ON THE PREMISES.
I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF YOUR REGULATIONS.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOUR INSPECTOR IF HE CHECKED ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE VERY EASY TO CHECK THAT AND SEE IF THAT LIST WAS AVAILABLE OR NOT.
THEN YOU WOULD KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER SOMEBODY IS AN EMPLOYEE.
BUT THERE WASN'T ANY QUESTIONING OF THIS INDIVIDUAL AS TO WHETHER HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE, WHETHER HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, WHETHER HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
YOU'VE HEARD THE TESTIMONY THAT NO, HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING.
HE JUST STOPPED IN AND THROUGH COINCIDENCES, I GUESS, A SERIES OF COINCIDENCES, WHICH I THINK THAT'S GIBBS' RULE #17, AND IF YOU KNOW JOE, THAT GIBBS' RULES ON NCIS ASKED THAT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A COINCIDENCE.
BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SHE HAD LEFT FOR A FEW MINUTES TO GO GET LUNCH.
THE OTHER EMPLOYEE IN THERE WAS CHASING DOWN A DOG TWO BLOCKS AWAY AND CAME RIGHT BACK.
THE THIRD ONE WAS THERE, BUT HAD TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
SUDDENLY, A GOOD SAMARITAN SPRINGS INTO ACTION, NOT AN EMPLOYEE, BUT A GOOD SAMARITAN SPRINGS INTO ACTION, DOES THE APPROPRIATE THING.
HE'S NOT PRESENTED WITH A MARYLAND LICENSE, WHICH HE WOULD HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH.
HE'S PRESENTED WITH A DELAWARE LICENSE.
IT BECOMES A FORM OF IN MY OPINION, ENTRAPMENT, WHEN YOU COME IN WITH ANOTHER STATE'S LICENSE BECAUSE THE NUMBERS AREN'T IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
THAN THINGS OF THAT NATURE, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE MARYLAND LICENSE, LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER, WHICH IS WHERE HE READ THE DATE JANUARY 2ND OF 2024, THAT'S A DATE OF BIRTH ON WHERE THE MARYLAND LICENSE SAYS, NOT DATE OF BIRTH, IT'S STATE BIRTH BECAUSE I'VE GOT A COPY OF MY LICENSE RIGHT HERE, LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER.
THEN OF COURSE, AS EVERY OTHER LICENSE HAS, DELAWARE LICENSE AND MARYLAND LICENSE, HAVE A BUNCH OF DATES ON THERE.
SOMEBODY'S PICKING UP A LICENSE AND LOOKING AT A DATE, ESPECIALLY AN OUT OF STATE LICENSE BECAUSE THE LAW IS BUILT ON MARYLAND STATE LICENSE, NOT DELAWARE STATE LICENSE.
WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTED WITH AN OUT OF STATE LICENSE, THEN YOU'RE GLANCING AT WHERE YOU THINK THE DATE OF BIRTH IS, WHERE YOU PROCESS IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE PROCESSED IT IN HIS MIND.
BUT HE THOUGHT THAT WAS THE LADY HAD TURNED 21 ON THAT PARTICULAR DATE.
THAT WAS THE DATE THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED.
I'M SAYING TO THIS BOARD THAT HE WAS NOT AN EMPLOYEE.
WASN'T AN EMPLOYEE ON THAT DATE.
HE HADN'T BEEN AN EMPLOYEE SINCE.
WE DIDN'T CHECK IT. THERE WAS NO CHECK OR VERIFICATION.
THERE WAS NO QUESTIONING OF HIM.
ARE YOU EMPLOYED HERE? THERE WAS NO CHECKING OF WRITTEN RECORDS TO SEE IF HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE,
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A REGULAR EMPLOYEE OF THE BUSINESS.THE SITUATION BECOMES, HOW DOES A LICENSE HOLDER CONTROL THAT? SOMEBODY WHO WORKED FOR THEM IN THE PAST JUMPS IN AS A GOOD SAMARITAN AND BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, THE SOLE CLERK THAT'S LEFT AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME WANTS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM AN EMPLOYEE AT THAT POINT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW A LICENSE HOLDER CAN CONTROL THAT.
HOW DO YOU CONTROL THAT WHEN IT HAPPEN? YOU CAN'T FORESEE IT.
YOU CAN'T FORESEE THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WALK IN THERE, THEY'RE A CUSTOMER, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT THE CASH REGISTER, NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRAINED YOUR EMPLOYEES AND THAT THING, THAT'S NOT A FORESEEABLE THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> RIGHT BEFORE WE WENT TO YOUR SUMMARY, I ASKED TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE.
SHE SAID, "YES, IT'S AN EMPLOYEE.
HE WASN'T ON DUTY THAT NIGHT, BUT YES, HE'S AN EMPLOYEE." HE WAS STILL AN EMPLOYEE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT? AT THAT TIME? [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HAD ASKED.
I SAID, " IT'S AN EMPLOYEE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN THERE GETTING A SODA, AS YOU SAID?" YOU SAID, "YES. HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE, HE JUST HAPPENED TO BE A PART TIME EMPLOYEE.
HE HAPPENED TO BE GETTING A SODA AT THAT TIME." I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD IT CORRECTLY.
>> HE'S NOT AN EMPLOYEE ON THE REGULAR ROASTER AT ALL.
>> BUT HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE? EITHER YOU ARE OR YOU AREN'T.
>> THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I'M ARGUING HERE.
NO, HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN AN EMPLOYEE, BUT HE WAS NOT ON THAT PARTICULAR DATE.
THAT'S THE POINT I AM ARGUING.
>> OUR CODE DOES DEFINE EMPLOYEE 2.17 B, CALLED, EMPLOYEES SHALL BE DEFINED ALL PERMANENT FULL AND PART TIME EMPLOYEES, AS WELL AS ALL TEMPORARY OR CASUAL LABOR WHO HANDLES ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
>> I THOUGHT I ASKED THAT BEFORE YOU WENT INTO YOUR SUMMARY, AND SHE SAID, "YES, HE WAS AN EMPLOYEE, JUST WASN'T THAT NIGHT.
HE WASN'T ON DUTY THAT NIGHT." I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
>> MY FOLLOW UP FOR THAT IS YOU'RE IMPOSING OR YOU COULD IMPOSE A PENALTY ON THE LICENSE HOLDER.
THE LICENSE HOLDER HAS NO WAY REALLY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THIS.
>> THEY CAN'T PROTECT THEIR COMPUTER, SO THAT JUST ANYBODY CAN WALK OFF THE STREET TO LOG INTO THEIR COMPUTER AND SELL? YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T CONTROL IT? THEY CAN'T CONTROL THE SUIT?
>> WELL, THEY HAVE TO TRAIN THEIR EMPLOYEES.
THEY HAD FULL TIME EMPLOYEES ON THE STAFF, INCLUDING ONE OF THE OWNERS THERE.
YOU TRAINED YOUR EMPLOYEES TO LOOK AT A LICENSE TO VERIFY SOMEBODY'S AGE, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY DO IT, WHETHER THEY PUT IT INTO THE CASH REGISTER OR NOT.
THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE THAT'S IN HERE.
BUT YOU TRAINED THEM TO DO THAT.
THIS GENTLEMAN HAD NOT BEEN TRAINED RECENTLY.
THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT HE HAD BEEN TRAINED RECENTLY.
HE HAD TIPS TRAINING FROM THE PAST OR WHATEVER THEY CALL THAT NOW.
I'M JUST SAYING TO YOU THAT TO PUNISH A LICENSE HOLDER FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ENTIRELY COINCIDENTAL.
TRAE MUST BE PSYCHIC OR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS, BUT, THAT'S AN IMPROPER THING TO DO.
THE OTHER THING IS, IT IS IN MARYLAND LAW THAT AN INDIVIDUAL UNDER THE AGE OF 21 IS NOT SUPPOSED TO ENTER THE PREMISES.
>> PERSON THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR A HANDGUN, IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HAPPENS ALSO EVERY DAY.
BUT THINK OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS COMMITTING A CRIME IN ORDER TO SEE IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMMITS AN OFFENSE OR VIOLATION.
YOU'RE SENDING IN SOMEBODY THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY VIOLATING LAW AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE OTHER PERSON TO VIOLATE THE LAW.
>> ISN'T THAT HOW WE FIND MOST CRIMINALS, MR. THORNTON,
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BY UNDERCOVERS THAT EVEN THE STATE POLICE, THE FBI, EVERY LAW ORGANIZATION IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD RELY ON TO HAVE INFORMANTS, THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN PLACES THAT THEY ARE? I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THIS LICENSE THING.YOUR LICENSE, MY LICENSE ARE ALL HORIZONTAL.
EVERY PERSON UNDER 21 IS A VERTICAL LICENSE.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU'RE TAUGHT IN SURF SAFE FOR TIPS.
IF THAT LICENSE IS VERTICAL, DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE DATE.
THEY'RE NOT 21. TURN THEM AWAY.
IT'S IN RED. TURNS 21 ON THIS DATE.
>> THAT'S THE HIGHLIGHTED PART.
TO ME, IS IN RED. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
NO IT'S HIGHLIGHTED. WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE BOTTOM LEFT OR BOTTOM RIGHT OR WHEREVER.
IT'S HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT ON TOP.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU'RE TAUGHT IS WHEN YOU SEE THAT LICENSED VERTICAL, IT'S NOT A PERSON OF 21 YEARS OF AGE.
ALWAYS, TO ME, RULES NEED TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE ESTABLISHMENT, I THINK THE PERSON THAT SELLS SHOULD ALSO BE FINED.
BECAUSE IT'S A VERY EASY THING.
THAT THEY WILL TURN 21, ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 2 026.
FIRST THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME OTHER THAN THE SPOTS THAT THE COUNTY PROTECTS THE PEOPLE BY BLACKING OUT ON OUR PICTURES THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE, BECAUSE IT GOT BROUGHT UP YEARS AGO THAT, THERE'S TOO MUCH PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT WE COULD BE PRIVY TO THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE.
BUT I BELIEVE WE COULD GO BACK IN THE RECORD.
MS. RITTER ADMITTED THAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF RED LIGHT LIQUORS ON A VERY, VERY TEMPORARY BASIS AS HE WAS NEEDED.
IF HE'S LISTED AS AN EMPLOYEE, HE'S AN EMPLOYEE.
HOW WOULD HE EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH TO SELL SOMETHING FOR? WHY WOULD ANOTHER EMPLOYEE LET THAT MAN WALK BEHIND A REGISTER IF HE WASN'T A PERSON THAT SHOULD BE BEHIND A REGISTER?
>> THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASK, IF A CUSTOMER WALKS IN OFF THE STREET, JUST ANY CUSTOMER CAN WALK IN OFF THE STREET AND GET IN YOUR CASH REGISTER AND MAKE SALES? THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. I WOULD HOPE YOU GOT SAFEGUARDS AGAINST THAT.
>> BECAUSE HE'D BEEN THERE BEFORE, HE DID THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> BECAUSE HE WAS NOT AN EMPLOYEE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CASH REGISTER. THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM EMPLOYEE.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER MAN, WE DON'T SEND UNDERCOVER INFORMANTS IN AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT VIOLATE THE LAW.
IF THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE A WEAPON ON THEM, THEY'RE A CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICER THAT IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A WEAPON.
YOU CANNOT GO INTO SOMEBODY'S ESTABLISHMENT ILLEGALLY AND SAY, "I'M GOING TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO VIOLATE THE LAW." TWO, "I'M ILLEGAL, I'M IN THERE.
ARE THEY GOING TO VIOLATE THE LAW?" THAT TO ME, IS AN APPEALABLE ISSUE, IF UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
I'M SAYING TO YOU THAT JUST GOING IN THERE, YOU'RE MISREPRESENTING YOUR AGE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE.
>> THEY ALSO ARE TOLD NOT TO LIE ABOUT THEIR AGE.
IF THEY ARE ASKED, "HOW OLD ARE YOU," THERE TO TELL THE PERSON THAT THEY ARE 20 OR 19.
THEY ARE INFORMED OF THAT INFORMATION.
THEY'RE NOT GOING IN TRYING TO LIE ABOUT ANYTHING OR TRICK ANYONE.
THEY GO IN. IT'S UP TO THE ESTABLISHMENT TO GO, "YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN HERE.
>> WELL, AREN'T THEY MISREPRESENTING WHEN THEY HANDLE THE LICENSE AND THEY DON'T SAY, "NO. I'M NOT 21."
>> IT'S A LEGAL ISSUED LICENSE. THEY WALKED IN.
>> HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S A LEGALLY ISSUED LICENSE? IT'S DELAWARE. IT'S NOT MARYLAND.
>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE ONLY THING THAT THEY HAVE TO POLICE IS MARYLAND-ISSUED LICENSE?
>> NO. I'M SAYING THAT MARYLAND LICENSE IS AUTOMATICALLY BY STATUTE RECOGNIZED THE STATE OF MARYLAND LICENSE.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO POLICE ANY OTHER STATES LICENSES?
>> DOESN'T ENJOY THE SAME BENEFIT.
>> IT'S VERTICAL. THE DATE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS A LICENSE FROM ARIZONA.
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YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LICENSE.RUN THE LICENSE THROUGH A SCANNER.
>> THE SYSTEM WE USE DOESN'T HAVE A SCANNER.
>> IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED. IT WOULD HAVE COME UP AS A VALID LICENSE.
>> WE'LL [INAUDIBLE] A LICENSE WITH IT, BUT IT DIDN'T VALIDATE ATTEMPT TO PURCHASE HAVING A SCANNER.
. [INAUDIBLE] HAVE A SCANNER AND YOU'LL NOTICE IT GO TO 711.
THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE ID.
THEY TAKE IT, THEY SCAN IT, THEY MOVE ON.
I PREFER TO ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT.
I PREFER PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE ID, VERIFY WHO THE PERSON IS, MAKE SURE THAT PERSON IS WHO THEY ARE AND TUFF LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T USE A SCANNER TO NOT DO IT.
I DO IT SPECIFICALLY SO PEOPLE DON'T GET LAZY NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRAIN PEOPLE, THEY WILL GET LAZY.
>>DO YOU HAVE TO ENTER A DATE OF BIRTH INTO THE CASH REGISTER?
>>YES. EVERY TRANSACTION, WE DON'T NOBODY COMES IN JUST BY EVERY TRANSACTION WE'RE DOING IS FOR THINGS THAT ARE 21 AND OVER AS ESTABLISHED IN THIS CASE, YOU'LL SEE YOU DID ASK FOR HER ID, WHICH IS SINCE OUR LAST ONE, VERY WELL ESTABLISHED THING.
WE HAVE TRAINING FOR YOUR CONSUMPTION THAT SHOWS MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE IT'S MENTIONED THAT ALL PURCHASES MUST SHOW ID, VERIFY PEOPLE AT 21, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I JUST WANT TO CLEAR ON THE RECORD, DO NOT USE A SCANNER BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT ANYTHING OR BE QUICK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SIMPLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WILL GET LAZY, SCAN THE ID, AND THEY WON'T EVEN TRACK AND SEND IN AN OLDER WHITE MALE WITH A YOUNG GIRL'S ID, AND THAT GET SERVED A NUMBER OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT THEY JUST USE SCANNER.
>> DID THE EMPLOYEE ENTER A DATE OF BIRTH?
>> I CAN NOT SPEAK TO THAT, I WAS NOT.
>> WELL, I MEAN, IT DIDN'T WORK. SCANNER OR NO SCAN.
WHETHER HE ENTERED A DATE? IT SHOULD HAVE HE DID ENTER THE DATE.
>> NOW, YOU WERE THERE, YOU CORRECT.
YOU FOUND OUT RIGHT AWAY, THAT THIS HAD HAPPENED, AND YOU WERE ABLE TO TALK TO HIM AND INTERVIEW HIM RIGHT THERE.
NOW, JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
THE PUTTING IN THE BIRTHDAY, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE TRANSACTION OR IS THAT SORT OF OPTION.
I'M WONDERING WHAT YOUR SCANNER SYSTEM DOES IF IT DOES ANYTHING.
>> HE ENTERED 2024? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
>> HE ENTERED 2004. I THINK HE READ IT AS 2004.
BECAUSE HE WAS HONESTLY SHOCKED. SHE WASN'T.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE TOLD YOU.
HOWEVER, EVERY WAY I PUT THE NUMBERS, IT JUST DIDN'T ADD UP TO ANYTHING.
>> SINCE IT WAS MENTIONED HERE, THEY DO HAVE RED LIGHT LIQUORS OPERATED VERY WELL AND VERY EFFECTIVELY, AND THEY DO HAVE AN OWNER'S MANUAL THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO READ AND LOOK AT AND THEY KEEP THEY DO KEEP UP WITH IT'S NOT JUST A FLY NIGHT SITUATION HERE.
I'M ASKING THE COURT OR YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THAT.
I DO HAVE OTHER THINGS TO SAY AFTER YOU MAKE A FINDING HERE.
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THEM BEFORE YOU.
YOU WANT TO SAY IT AFTER WE DO AFTER WE DO IN DELIBERATIONS WELL.
>> I CAN SAY THEM NOW, IF YOU WANT TO.
>> I MEAN, A FEW. YOU GOT THE FLOORS.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S THE FIRST TIME I REPRESENT THEM, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN HERE TWICE BEFORE.
BUT I POINT OUT TO YOU THAT, I DON'T KNOW ANY COMPLAINTS THAT THIS BUSINESS HAS HAD FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR FROM
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POLICE OFFICERS OR ANYBODY WHO'S SEEN MINORS IN THERE GO IN AND OUT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.THERE'S NO RECORD OF ANYBODY GOING IN THERE AND PURCHASING ANYTHING AS A CIVILIAN UNDER AGE.
THE TIMES THEY'RE CAUSED WHEN THIS PERSON IS SENT IN THERE BY THE BY THE STATE.
NOW THEY HAVE A THEY KEEP ACCURATE RECORDS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE ADVERTISEMENT, BUT THERE'S A SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
THIS IS AN ADVERTISEMENT THAT THEY PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER RECENTLY, WHICH JUST SHOWS HOW SERIOUS THEY ARE.
IT'S A SERIOUS ABOUT THE BUSINESS WORLD BECAUSE IF THEY RUN THE BUSINESS AND THIS BUSINESS REQUIRES IN ORDER EVERY MONTH, IT REQUIRES $20,244 BEING TAKEN IN.
THAT IS THE MINIMUM THAT THEY HAVE TO MADE EACH MONTH.
>> NO TAKE IN. THAT'S THE MINIMUM PROFIT THAT HAS TO BE MADE.
>> TWO MONTH TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN.
THAT'S THE MINIMUM THAT'S THE COSTS OF LICENSES, RENT, ELECTRIC, ALL THOSE THINGS.
>> THEY ALSO WE HAVE THE RECORDS HERE, THE COURT SALE THEY HAVE RECORDS OF HOW MANY TRANSACTIONS THEY MADE.
FOR INSTANCE, IN AUGUST, THEY MADE OVER THE MONTH, 8,018 DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONS.
IN SEPTEMBER OBI SLOWER THEY MADE 6,624 TRANSACTIONS.
BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROFIT, THEY HAVE TO MAKE TO STAY OPEN, IT'S $674 EACH DAY.
THE REASON WHY I THINK THEY'RE SO SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS AND I'VE NEVER REPRESENTED A BUSINESS THAT HAVE RECORDS LIKE THIS BEFORE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
THEY KEEP GOOD RECORDS, AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT THE BOARD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND MITIGATION OF THIS.
I WILL SAY THAT I JUST ON THE NEWS THE NIGHT THAT AL, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ESTABLISHMENTS AROUND TOWSON UNIVERSITY.
YOU SEE THAT AND THE FINE WAS, I MEAN, THE BOARD THE ONLY THING THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD TALKED ABOUT WAS, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THESE PEOPLE OUT IN BUSINESS.
THEY'VE DONE, GOOD, AND THIS AND THE OTHER.
ONE HAD A $250 FINE BECAUSE THEY HAD SINCE BOUGHT A SCANNING SYSTEM.
I'M SAYING THIS IS WHAT'S DONE IN OTHER COUNTIES, AND AT LEAST IT'S DONE IN BALTIMORE COUNTY.
IF YOU TRY TO CLOSE PEOPLE DOWN, THEN LOOK AT THE EFFECT ON THEM MONETARILY.
EVERY DAY THEY'RE CLOSED DOWN, THEY DON'T GET THAT $674.80 PROFIT THAT THEY NEED.
IN ORDER TO STAY OPEN AND BELIEVE ME, THAT'S THE MINIMUM.
THAT'S NOT, MAKING REALLY A PROFIT.
THAT'S THE MINIMUM THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE EACH DAY.
WHEN YOU'VE GOT 8,000 SUM TRANSACTIONS IN A MONTH.
SOME COINCIDENCE LIKE THIS, HAPPENS.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WHEN I WAS TELLING YOU THAT THE LICENSE HOLDERS HAVE NO WAY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST THIS.
I MEAN, THIS WAS ENTIRELY A FLUID TRANSACTION THAT THEY HAD NO IT WASN'T FORESEEABLE THAT MR. MCHENRY WOULD BE IN THERE AT THAT TIME, AND THAT MR. MCHENRY WOULD JUMP IN THE CASHIER INT.
IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD HAVE PREVENTED BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FORESEE IT.
THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I WANT TO KIND OF CLARIFY WITH JESS.
PART OF IT, YOU WERE STATING THAT IT WAS THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL FOR AN UNDER 21 TO GO IN
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THERE FOR SOMEBODY UNDER AGE TO GO INTO THE STORE.IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE STATING?
>> I WAS SAYING THAT, IF YOU'RE UNDER 21 AND YOU GO INTO A BAR OR A ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELLS MAINLY LIQUOR OR ALCOHOL.
>> ISN'T THAT JUST A CLASS D, LIKE A TAVERN?
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. CLASS A DOES NOT HAVE ANY RESTRICTION ON ANYONE ENTERING THE PREMISES UNDER 21.
ONLY CLASS D TAVERN LICENSES HAVE THAT RESTRICTION.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS JUST THE CLASS D TAVERNS OR WHATEVER.
BUT AS FAR AS THE STORES, I MEAN, IF I WALK IN WITH MY UNDERAGE CHILD AND I GO IN TO BUY A CASE OF BEER, I CAN DO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE SAYING.
>> DO YOU GUYS EITHER HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR SAY.
>> WE PRETTY MUCH PUT IN PLACE THAT IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE SCHEDULE YOU'RE NOT TO BE GOING BEHIND THE REGISTER HELPING CUSTOMERS.
IF YOU'RE OUT ON THE FLOOR, GETTING BEER AND SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, WHERE IS SOMETHING, YOU WANT TO TELL THEM THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU'RE NOT TO SELL TO ANY CUSTOMER IF YOU'RE NOT SCHEDULED THAT NIGHT, UNLESS, ONE OF US IS THERE AND YOU COME BACK AND SAY, SO AND SO IS SICK WANTS TO LEAVE, I'M HERE, I CAN TAKE OVER.
WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION, IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE SCHEDULE, YOU DON'T SERVE ANYONE.
>> THAT'S HOW YOU FIGURE OUT THE PRICE OF SOMETHING.
>> YES. THEY DON'T NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH ANYTHING COSTS.
>> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, SECRETARY.
>> THAT MANUAL, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PLACES WHERE IT SAYS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, HOW TO HANDLE IT, AND EMPLOYEES SIGN OFF ON IT.
WE TRY AND PUT EVERY SINGLE THING WE CAN IN PLACE TO LET THESE PEOPLE KNOW JUST HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. BUT WE CAN'T FIRE IT.
>> I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE EMPLOYEES. I GET IT.
>> THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. MANN SAID ABOUT, THERE SHOULD BE SOME PENALTY TO ME. I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> AT THE VERY LEAST, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT PERSON THAT DID THAT VIOLATION, NO MATTER WHAT THE VIOLATION IS, TO HAVE TO SIT HERE AND EXPLAIN HIS OR HERSELF ALSO.
THE BURDEN IS ON THE LICENSE HOLDER, AND YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THAT, YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU ENTERED INTO THIS, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE FOR SOMEONE THAT COMMITTED THE VIOLATION TO HAVE TO SIT AND EXPLAIN THEMSELVES.
BUT MY BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT OCTOBER OF 2024, WE WERE HERE WITH THE UNDERAGE.
FEBRUARY, WE WERE HERE WITH THE UNDERAGE, AND NOW WE'RE RIGHT BACK HERE AGAIN.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A FINDING BEFORE WE GET INTO PRIOR STUFF.
>> BEFORE WE GO IN DELIBERATION, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM BEFORE WE GO IN DELIBERATION.
>> NOW WE CAN GO INTO [OVERLAPPING].
>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED, THE TESTIMONY GIVEN THAT RED LIGHT LIQUORS HAS VIOLATED SECTION 6-304 OF THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ACT AND ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND.
THEY'VE ALSO VIOLATED CAROLINE COUNTY'S LIQUOR COMMISSION'S RULE AND REGULATIONS NUMBER 2.26 BY SELLING AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE TO AN UNDERAGE PERSON.
>> I AGREE, AND I'LL SECOND THAT.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED IN A SECOND THAT WE FIND RED LIGHT LIQUORS [OVERLAPPING].
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>> GOOD. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN A SECOND THAT WE FIND RED LIGHT LIQUORS IN VIOLATION.
>> NOW WE ENTER DELIBERATIONS OF A PENALTY.
>> YEAH. COMMISSIONER MAY HIT ON THING THAT CONCERNS ME.
YOU GOT THREE VERY SERIOUS ACTIONS HERE OF SELLING TO AN UNDERAGE PERSON, YOU GOT $1,000 FINE.
THEN YOU GOT A $2,500 FINE AND A THREE-DAY SUSPENSION, AND WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN.
>> I UNDERSTAND THE EMPLOYEE ENTERING THE WRONG DATE.
BUT STILL, IT'S THREE STRIKES IN LESS THAN A YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SAT THROUGH ONE PIECE.
I'VE BEEN HERE A REALLY GOOD TIME [INAUDIBLE].
I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN THREE OF THESE SERIOUS ONES WITH BUSTED [INAUDIBLE].
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE THERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DATE IT WAS HEARD? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DATE THE VIOLATION OCCURRED?
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE DATE OF THE VIOLATION.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE? >> OF COURSE, THERE WAS A DATE.
[OVERLAPPING] BETWEEN THE VIOLATION AND THE HEARING.
THE VIOLATION OCCURRED ON AUGUST THE 15TH.
THAT STILL PUTS IT [OVERLAPPING] THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHEN YOU SAY THESE WERE WITHIN A YEAR, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DATES OF THE HEARING THAT WAS WITHIN A YEAR OR IF YOU EVEN GO BY THE DATES OF THE HEARING.
YEAH. YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER A YEAR IN DELIBERATION.
IF YOU COUNT BACK FROM THE 30 DAYS, WE'RE IN DELIBERATION RIGHT NOW.
>> I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY. ANYWAY, I THINK THREE MAJOR VIOLATIONS THIS QUICKLY WAS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE.
>> ME TOO. BECAUSE A THREE-DAY SUSPENSION, $2,500 FINE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FINE.
THREE DAYS THEY COULDN'T SELL ANYTHING.
THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. BUT WE'RE STILL BACK HERE.
>> COMING RIGHT BACK TO THE SAME THING.
>> ACTUALLY, I DON'T WANT TO PUT INTO WORDS BECAUSE I'M MORE THAN UPSET THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE AGAIN.
I'M ALMOST BEYOND WORDS THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE AGAIN.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRANSACTIONS THAT HAPPENED, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.
WE CAN'T BASE ANYTHING ON ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT WE KNOW.
WHAT WE KNOW IS WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN FOR A THIRD VIOLATION.
I SAID, I'M BEYOND WORDS, BECAUSE MY WORDS, IF I REALLY SAID WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ARE NOT ALLOWABLE.
>> CRYSTAL, IS THERE A STATE MANDATION FOR A THIRD OFFENSE? >> NO.
>> THERE'S A MAXIMUM, MINIMUM.
>> THERE'S A MAXIMUM ON A PENALTY.
>> THE MAXIMUM IS $2,500, BUT THERE IS THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE IN CANVAS ARTICLE 46404 SAYS THAT YOU SHALL REVOKE OR SUSPEND A LICENSE WHEN THERE ARE TWO MORE VIOLATIONS WITHIN TWO YEARS.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. THERE IS A MANDATE.
THERE IS A MANDATE WITH REGARD TO REVOCATION OR SUSPENSION WHEN THERE ARE TWO MORE VIOLATIONS WITHIN TWO YEARS.
>> THESE ALL FALL WITHIN WHETHER IT'S TO THE EXACT DAY OR WHATEVER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THESE ALL FALL WITHIN THE TWO YEARS. I GOT YOU.
>> $2,500 FINE IS THE MAX FINE? IS THAT WHAT SHE SAID?
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>> I DON'T THINK THE FINES ARE GETTING ANYBODY'S ATTENTION.
I DON'T THINK A THREE DAY SUSPENSION GOT ANYBODY'S ATTENTION.
>> YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT REVOCATION OR A LONG SUSPENSION.
>> MY THOUGHTS ARE AT A BARE MINIMUM.
THERE'S A $2,500 FINE AND A 45-DAY SUSPENSION.
OBVIOUSLY, THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE REVOCATION.
BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMEBODY OUT OF BUSINESS.
>> TO ME, IT MERITS REVOCATION. IT REALLY DOES.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THIS IS SO QUICK TO COMING HERE AGAIN. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A BUSINESS OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A BUSINESS KEEP BREAKING THE LAW. YEAH.
>> I KNOW OJS, IT'S ALL FAMILY.
IT'S ALL FAMILY WITHIN THE BUSINESS.
MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE MANAGING THE BUSINESS, HOW YOU GUYS MAYBE YOU NEED TO BE MORE STERN AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYTHING WORKS IN THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY, WHAT'S GOING ON IS NOT WORKING.
>> WE HAVE PASSED SEVERAL CHECKS THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
MR. MANN, JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU,
YOU'RE IN DELIBERATIONS. >> YEAH.
>> 45-DAY SUSPENSION MIGHT PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS ANYWAY.
>> I KNOW. THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
>> IF EVEN IF YOU CUT IT BACK TO A 30-DAY SUSPENSION.
THAT'S STILL'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO A BUSINESS? >>YES.
>> BUT WHERE DO YOU GO? THE NEXT STEP IS TO REVOKE. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT EITHER.
>> I GO BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
TO ME, PUBLIC SAFETY OUTRANKS EVERYTHING.
>> I DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT MY 17-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER COULD WALK IN ANYWHERE AND BUY. I DON'T MEAN JUST THERE.
I MEAN ANYWHERE. ONE THING THAT WE'VE TRIED TOO FOR CAROLINE COUNTY IS TO REALLY GET THE WORD OUT THAT UNDERAGE SALES ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.
>> FROM THE STANDPOINT OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
IF THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THEN I'D BE OKAY WITH THIS, BUT I BET MY MIND IS FOR PROTECTING THE PUBLIC, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT A REVOCATION.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
I HATE TO SAY THAT. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS.
THEY EXPECT US TO NOT LET UNDERAGE KIDS GO INTO ESTABLISHMENTS PURCHASE ALCOHOL, GET IN THE CAR, AND MAYBE SOMEBODY GETS HURT OR KILLED.
>> THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
>> I SAID, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A REVOCATION.
I WISH THERE WAS SOME OTHER WAY TO LIKE YOU SAID,
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IF EVEN IF WE DID A 30-DAY, IF WE DID A $2,500 FINE AND A 30 DAY SUSPENSION, WILL THE BUSINESS HANDLE IT? WILL IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?>> AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THEM.
>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN EITHER.
>> WE HAVE TO SET IN PLAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND WE HAVE TO GO.
I SAY WE DO THE 2,500 AND DO 30 DAYS, GIVE THEM ONE MORE SHOT.
IF THEY CAN MAKE IT THROUGH IT.
>> I'M FOR REVOCATION [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU GOT ADMIT IT, I'M ONE PERSON.
>> YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOUR MOTION.
TWO OF YOU VOTE FOR IT AND BE THAT WAY.
>> IF WE DO THE 2,500 AT 30 DAY, CAN WE DICTATE THE TIME THAT IT HAPPENS OR?
>> YES. YOU CAN SET YOUR SUSPENSION DATES WITH YOU.
>> BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 30 DAYS FROM TODAY TO GIVE THEM?
>> AFTER THEIR APPEAL PROCESS.
>> WHAT DID YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? GO AHEAD AND SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION.
>> IS THAT A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT?
>> YOU'RE ASKING ME I'M SORRY.
>> I THINK IN THE PAST, MR. THORNTON HAS ASKED, IF THEY COULD WAIVE THEIR RIGHT TO THE APPEAL AND START IMMEDIATELY WITH ANY PENALTIES, IS THAT CORRECT, MR. THORNTON? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO CHOOSE ANY PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO APPEAL AS IS THEIR RIGHT TO WAIVE IT. [INAUDIBLE]
>> OKAY. I'M BEING TOLD BY MY CLIENT THAT'S NOT A POSSIBILITY ANYWAY, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU PICKED. YOU HAD A RIGHT TO PICK THE DATE AFTER 30 DAYS, I GUESS.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION OF A $2,500 FINE AND A 30 DAY SUSPENSION.
AFTER THE 30 DAY WAIVE PERIOD.
>> DO YOU WANT TO STATE WHAT DATE IS?
>> THE DATE OF BEGINNING NOVEMBER 23RD.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SECOND THAT.
>> ALL IN FAVOR. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE SET A $2,500 FINE AND A 30 DAY SUSPENSION.
>> SO THERE WILL BE A LETTER THAT GOES OUT.
>> THE TIME TO APPEAL THE DECISION.
>> YOU'LL HAVE A 30 DAY APPEAL PROCESS.
>> WELL, COULD I ASK THE QUESTION ON THAT, IF WE FOLLOW APPEAL WITHIN THE 30 DAYS THAT IT COMES UP IN OTHERS, WE HAVE TO GET THE DECISION IN WRITING, CORRECT?
>> OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE DATE TODAY?
>> THIS AFTERNOON OR WHENEVER GENEVA HAS IT PREPARED.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THEY FILE AN APPEAL, THEN WE'RE ENTITLED TO REQUEST A DELAY IN THE PAYMENT OF THE FINE AND THE SUSPENSION.
>> DURING THAT TIME. YEAH. STAY. WE'RE ENTITLED TO REQUEST THAT, AND I'M JUST ASKING THE BOARD IF YOU CAN PASS JUDGMENT ON THAT NOW OR YOU CAN I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN PASS JUDGMENT [OVERLAPPING] ON THE APPEAL.
>> NO YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T PASS JUDGMENT ON THE APPEALS.
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>> YOU SAID THAT MR. CORY WANTS TO FILE A REQUEST AND SUPPLY SOME LEGAL SUPPORT FOR A STAY.
I MEAN, HE'S CERTAINLY WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO FILE WHATEVER HE WANTS I THINK AS THE BOARD'S COUNSEL ADVISE AGAINST ENTERTAINING SUCH MOTIONS ON THE SPOT WITHOUT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE LEGAL AUTHORITY THAT HE MAY BE PROVIDING, FOR EXAMPLE, INSURED FROM COUNTY.
>> THE BOARD IS SCHEDULED TO MEET AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 19TH, WHICH WOULD BE PRIOR TO THE START OF THE SUSPENSION.
>> PRESUMABLY, HE COULD FILE A REQUEST FOR STAY ALONG WITH ANY LEGAL AUTHORITIES THAT, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT PRIOR TO THE SUSPENSION TAKING EFFECT AND HEAR IT ON THE 19TH.
>> THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. I MEAN, I'M NOT ARGUING. THAT'S FINE.
>> BY THE WAY, THAT IS NOT TO IMPLY THAT THERE IS A RIGHT TO SAY.
ALL I'M SAYING IS IN MY EXPERIENCE IS ON THE MOVEMENT TO SHOW NOT ONLY THE FACTUAL BASIS FOR WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, BUT ALSO THE LEGAL BASIS.
>> THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO FILE ANYTHING.
WHETHER OR NOT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE RELIEF THEY'RE REQUESTING ON WHAT THEY FILE IS WHAT WILL BE DETERMINED ON THE 19TH.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES. THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.
>> CAN WE TAKE A RECESS REAL QUICK?
>> I'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS.
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>> WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I'LL CALL BACK.
>> WE CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER FOR THE CAROLINA COUNTY BORDER LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FROM RECESS.
MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.
[New License Approval - Extension Request]
WE HAVE A NEW LICENSE APPROVAL EXTENSION REQUEST FOR 501 MARYLAND AVENUE,[501 Maryland Avenue, LLC - DBA Nasr's]
LLC DOING BUSINESS AS NAZAR'S IN FEDERALSBURG.>> YES, COMMISSIONERS, MR. ULLA.
I HAD SPOKE TO HIM EARLIER THIS WEEK AND HE SAID HE WOULD BE PRESENT TODAY, BUT HE IS NOT PRESENT.
ATTORNEY REPRESENTED SUBMITTED A LETTER REQUESTING A 45 DAY EXTENSION TO THEIR NEW LICENSE APPROVAL TO ACCOUNT FOR ISSUES WITH THE TOWN OF FEDERALSBURG.
IF YOU WILL RECALL AT OUR JULY BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD HEARD FROM ATTORNEY WILLARD PARKER, REPRESENTING NAZAR'S AND MR. ULLA, WHO APPLIED FOR A NEW CLASS A BEER AND LIGHT WINE SEVEN DAY OFF PREMISE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE.
THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE APPLICATION, WHICH GAVE THE ULLAS 90 DAYS TO SUBMIT ANY OUTSTANDING ITEMS LISTED ON THE APPROVAL LETTER AND TODAY BEING THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPROVAL.
MR. ULLA WAS TO BE BEFORE THE BOARD SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE ONE TIME EXTENSION OF 45 DAYS.
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WOULD RECOMMEND THE BOARD ALL OF YOU WERE AWARE OF THE SITUATION [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE TOWN WITH A [INAUDIBLE].>> YES. I'M WAITING FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE LIST.
HE SAID I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING.
HE SAID HE HAS IT OUTSIDE OF WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR FROM THE TOWN AND THE FIRE MARSHAL.
>> HE OBTAINED ALL OF HIS DOCUMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OCCUPANCY PERMIT.
AND HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW 45 DAYS IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU EXTEND THAT BEYOND THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> DIDN'T WE DO SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT AND ALLOW ONE EXTENSION.
>> THIS WOULD BE THE ONE EXTENSION THAT IF YOU WILL ALLOW, YOU WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO GO BEYOND THE LICENSE YEAR, WHICH WILL NOT END APRIL 30TH OF 2026.
>> I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIFIC.
>> YOU CAN SIMPLY BREAK THE EXTENSION OF THE LICENSE.
>> BUT I WOULD SAY HE ASKED FOR 45, I WOULD SUGGEST EVEN MORE THAN 45 BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO LAND.
>> WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN FEDERALSBURG, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT?
>> NO, BECAUSE THERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THINGS ARE LOOKING LIKE THEY MIGHT EVEN LOSE THEIR CHARTER.
>> I MEAN, THIS IS NOT GOOD A BUSINESS IS TRYING TO OPEN UP AND THEY CAN'T GET THEIR OCCUPANCY.
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS. YOU'VE TALKED WITH THEM OR WHATEVER?
>> I'VE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET TO OCCUPANCY.
IS IT SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS, OR IT'S JUST GETTING THE PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN TO TAKE CARE OF?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I KNEW I'VE SEEN SOME TURNOVER AND EVERYTHING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY DID ON THEIR END.
>> IT'S NOT ON THE TOWN'S END. YOU CAN'T HOLD HIM.
>> TREMENDOUS REDUCTION [OVERLAPPING].
NOBODY'S COMING IN. THEY'RE ALL GOING OUT.
>> EXTENDED TO THE END OF LICENSE YEAR.
>> TO THE END OF THE LICENSE YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL.
>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? GLEN, YOU WANT TO MAKE IT OR YOU WANT ME TO?
>> GO AHEAD. I HAVE TO GO MY LESSONS OFFICE.
>> MOVE THAT WE GRANT NAZARS AN EXTENSION TO OBTAIN THE PROPER DOCUMENTS FROM THE TOWN OF FELSBERG AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS LISTED.
HOLD ME. MY COMPUTER WANTED TO ACT UP.
TO THE END OF THE LICENSE YEAR, WHICH IS APRIL 30TH OF 2026.
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE GRANT AN EXTENSION FOR NAZARS UNTIL THE END OF THE LICENSE YEAR.
>> AS OF MID BEFORE THE BOARD, WHERE IT'S MORE IMPERATIVE FOR YOU MAKING SURE THESE TRANSACTIONS HAPPEN IS IN THE EVENT OF A TRANSFER.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPERATING BUSINESS AND YOU'VE GOT A NEW ONE THAT'S COMING IN AND TAKING OVER AS YOU HEARD TODAY WITH TRIMMY AND THINGS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT CASE CAN HAPPEN AND YOU DON'T WANT AN APPROVAL HANGING OUT THERE AND THE OUTGOING LICENSEE IS ALREADY SOLD AND NOT TAKING CARE.
THIS ONE IS A BRAND NEW LICENSE, SO IT'S NOT A TRANSFER, SO THEY CAN'T SELL THE ALCOHOL WITHOUT THE LICENSE.
WELL THEY COULD, BUT [LAUGHTER] WE HAVE THAT WOULDN'T.
>> I WILL TELL BRAY, YOU'LL MAKE SURE.
>> CHECK YOUR MIND [LAUGHTER].
>> I HEAR HE'S GOOD AT THAT THESE DAYS.
REASON OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS DISCUSSION.
[Discussion]
WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS THE REQUIREMENT TO[Requirement to Appear Before the Board - Temporary One-Day License Approvals for Reoccurring Annual Events]
APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THE TEMPORARY ONE DAY LICENSE APPROVALS RE-OCCURRING ANNUAL EVENTS.I KNOW WE'VE IN THE PAST, WE'VE OKAY SOME OF THESE.
>> I CAN GIVE YOU THE SHORT VERSION.
JESSIE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SIGN IN.
FEW YEARS AGO, HAVE BEEN ATTENDING THE AUDIENCE AT THAT TIME WHEN MR. [INAUDIBLE],
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MR. BRAY, YOUR BEST FRIEND, MS.WEBSTER, WERE ALL HERE AT THAT TIME.WE DIDN'T GET AS MANY TEMPORARY ONE DAY LICENSE APPLICATIONS AS WE DO NOW.
WE HISTORICALLY HAD THOSE ONE WE SAW THE ALLIANCE CLUB OR STRAWBERRY FESTIVAL.
THE FIRE COMPANIES BACK THEN WHERE THEY COULD DO MULTI-EVENTS, WERE THE GENERAL TEMPORARY LICENSE APPLICATIONS THAT WE GET FOR THESE RECURRING ANNUAL EVENTS NOW, WE GET THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WE GET HOSPICE, WE GET LOTS OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME IN FOR ONE DAY.
THE BOARD BACK AT THAT TIME FELT THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED THE APPLICANTS TO COME BEFORE THEM TO PRESENT THEIR APPLICATION, THAT THEY WERE OKAY.
GRANTED THE AUTHORITY TO GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THE LICENSE AND USE MY DISCRETION AS TO IF IT WAS A NEW ORGANIZATION THEY HAD NEVER GIVEN A LICENSE TO BEFORE AND REQUEST THEM TO COME IN, BUT IF THEY WERE THE REGULAR LICENSE HOLDERS THAT WERE DOING ANGLE EVENTS, GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITHOUT THEM WITH THE BOARD.
THAT DID CHANGE AT ONE POINT IN A CHANGE IN THE BOARD'S ATTORNEYS, WHEN MISS PRICE WAS HERE, SHE ADVISED THE BOARD THAT YOU CANNOT DELEGATE YOUR AUTHORITY TO THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR TO DO THAT.
THE BOARD CHANGED COURSE AND SAID, NOW, EVERYBODY COMES IN HERE.
WHAT I WILL REMIND YOU IS THERE IS NO PROVISIONS IN YOUR LOCAL RULES AND REGS OR IN THE ANNOTATED CODE THAT HAS ANY REQUIREMENT FOR THE LICENSEE TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU FOR A PUBLIC HEARING PROVE THAT LICENSE.
JESSIE COULD CHIME IN IF THERE'S ANYTHING.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND IS YOU WOULD HEAR THE SAME THING, WE REALLY HAVE TO COME BACK IN AGAIN, SAME LOCATION, SAME FIELD, SAME EVENT.
YOU HAVE ON OCCASION WITH CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS ALLOW THEM NOT TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND APPEAR BEFORE YOU, SO YOU'RE SIMPLY CREATING THAT ABILITY YOUR FIRE COMPANY GOT UNLIMITED.
THE LEGION FOR THEIR SPECIAL APPROVALS FOR THEIR TURKEY SHOES.
THAT YOU HAVE SAID YOU DO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK THE PRESTON FIRE COMPANY FOR THEIR FORMAL TOURNAMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE MONTHLY, EVENTS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY STILL ARE REQUIRED TO FILE AN APPLICATION, SITE PLAN, ALCOHOL AWARENESS CARD AND PAY A FEE.
WE HAVE FOUND SINCE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS A CHANGING MORE THAN YEARS.
IT'S THAT ONCE A YEAR THAT WE FORGET THAT, WAIT, THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY GOT THAT APPROVAL FROM YOU FIVE YEARS AGO NOT TO COME BACK.
I HAD THIS HAPPENED TO GENEVA WITH THE BUSBERG FIRE COMPANY WERE THEY'RE LIKE, WAIT, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME IN.
IN LIGHT OF THAT IDEA, GENEVA, SHE COULD PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HELP HER KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE AND HAVEN'T APPROVED AND A BETTER WAY TO MANAGE THIS AND HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CLEARLY KNOW WHO'S COMING BEFORE YOU, WHO'S NOT.
WHAT ARE THE COURT'S FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT CAN DO LEGALLY AND NOT LEGALLY IN TERMS OF GRANTING THESE TEMPORARY LICENSES? I'LL LET GENEVA TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE PUT TOGETHER AS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR HOW TO HANDLE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.
>> COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU NEED A COPY OF THE APPROVAL LETTER? SAMPLE IN THERE?
>> I HAVE IT I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
>> CRYSTAL HAD MENTIONED, BEING THE NEW BOARD ADMINISTRATOR, IT WAS UNBEKNOWNST TO ME THAT THERE'S THIS BLANKET APPROVAL FOR SPECIFIC OR CERTAIN APPLICANTS TO COME TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, ETC AND NOT HAVE TO COME IN TO ADDRESS THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
I CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA OF THESE IDENTIFIED ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE THESE YEARLY EVENTS, THAT THIS APPROVAL BE PROVIDED ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION ONCE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
JUST BASICALLY, IT'S JUST REITERATING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT MEET BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL EVENT, LET'S SAY THE TURKEY SHOOT OR THE, WHAT IS IT? THIS DUCTS UNLIMITED AND IT BE AT YOUR DISCRETION TO
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GRANT THE ORGANIZATION'S RE-OCCURRING EVENTS THAT HAPPEN AT THE SAME LOCATION, PROVIDED THAT THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS, VIOLATIONS OR ANY MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE EVENT OR THE SITE PLAN.AS CRYSTAL HAD MENTIONED, THEY STILL NEED TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION SITE PLAN AND THEIR CERTIFICATES SO THAT WE ARE AWARE THAT EVERYTHING IS STILL VALID.
THE APPROVAL TERMS, WE PROVIDED FOR YOU TO GO OVER, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THESE.
I'M SUGGESTING THAT AGAIN, THIS APPROVAL LETTER ACCOMPANY EACH APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD IN CASE IF I'M NOT HERE OR SOMETHING OR I'M GONE TO A DIFFERENT POSITION THAT WE DO HAVE THIS AND THE APPLICANTS SIGN THIS AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS SIGN IT.
I'M ALSO ASKING THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD PUT A THREE YEAR EXPIRATION DATE ON THE DATE OF ISSUANCE UNLESS IT'S RENEWED BY THE BOARD.
THAT WAY, IT'S LIKE CHECKS AND BALANCES SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND TAKE A LOOK TO MAKE SURE, YES, THEY ARE STILL COMPLIANT WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS. THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY VIOLATIONS, ETC.
I'M GOING TO CREATE, LIKE, A DATABASE THING TO KEEP TRACK OF THESE PARTICULAR ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT WE KNOW YES, THIS PERSON IS APPROVED FOR THIS SPECIFIC EVENT, NOT FOR JUST, I'VE GOT MY LETTER AND IT'S FOR ANY EVENT THAT WE WANT TO COME UP WITH.
NO, IT HAS TO BE ANNUALLY CONTINUOUSLY.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT REPETITIVE EVENT.
THIS IS WHAT I'M DISCUSSING, BRINGING BEFORE THE BOARD, THAT WAY, IT CAN CUT OUT THE CONFUSION AS IT DID THAT I FOUND OUT IN THIS MONTH NOW WITH TWO ORGANIZATIONS.
I ASKED THAT IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE AMENDED OR SUGGESTED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND THEN PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD, COME OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> WHEN THEY DO AND I CAN'T REMEMBER.
IS THERE, LIKE, A CHECKBOX ON THE ONE DAY APPLICATION OF WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A ONE TIME EVENT OR AN ANNUAL EVENT?
>> SHOULD WE HAVE THAT ON THERE? BECAUSE THEN THAT'LL TELL YOU IN ADVANCE, HEY, THIS IS A ONE TIME DEAL.
>> THEN YOU COULD HAVE ASKED [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEN YOU KNOW WHETHER THEY NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH.
>> FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE DONNIE BAKER THING.
HE'S HAD IT BEFORE, BUT IT'S NOT AN ANNUAL EVENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE EVERY FOUR YEARS, WHATEVER EVERY TIME WE COME TO AN ELECTION.
HE WOULD CHECK. BUT THE DUCKS AND LIMITED, WHEN THEY FILL OUT THEIRS, THEY'RE GOING TO FILL IT OUT AS THEY'RE GOING TO CHECK, YES.
THEN LET YOU KNOW WHETHER WE NEED TO GO DOWN THAT AVENUE OF SAYING THEY'VE HAD IT.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> QUESTION IF THERE IS THIS EXPECTED TO BE AN ANNUAL RECURRING? THAT WOULD AT LEAST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM TO FEEL WHETHER THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY NEED A FIRST ONE THAT YOU'RE LIKE, NO, WE DO WANT TO SEE YOU BACK NEXT YEAR.
BUT NEXT YEAR, IF YOU'RE COMING BACK FOR A THIRD YEAR, LET'S CONSIDER.
>> BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE CRITERIA OF HOLDING IN THE SAME PLACE, NO MAJOR CHANGES.
LIKE MY OCTOBER FEST WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY MOVED FROM HERE TO THERE TO THERE.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR SUCH A THING.
IT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN AT THE SAME PLACE ALL THE TIME.
>> THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THAT WAS THE REASON WHY YOU WOULD AUTHORIZE THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT WAS THE SAME LOCATION.
>> THE TRUNK OR TREE THAT THE YACHT CLUB DOES.
>> USE AS WELL OF PERMANENT LICENSE OWNERS WHO HAVE.
>> ONE DAY EXPANSION OF THE PREMISE BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE AMERICAN LEGION YOU'RE DOING THEIR WINGS AND WHEELS AND THEIR TURKEY SHOES.
THEY HAVE AN AREA THEY USE FOR THAT OUTDOOR VENT.
THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR THAT.
AGAIN, THEY GOT CLUB WITH THEIR ANNUAL TRUNK RETREAT.
THEY USE THAT ONE OUTDOOR SPACE THAT THEY NORMALLY DON'T USE AND THAT'S AN I THINK IT'S A USE IT IN BOTH FASHION, WE CAN WORK ON THE FORM SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE TEMPORARY ONE DAY LICENSE.
THE EXPANSION OF THE LICENSE PREMISES FOR A DAY FOR SPECIAL.
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>> BECAUSE THERE'S HARDLY A MONTH THAT GOES BY THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE A TEMPORARY LICENSE APPLICATION THAT COMES [OVERLAPPING]
>>TEMPORARY YOU KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE.
>> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD WE NEED TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THEIR APPROVAL OR JUST INCLUDED IN THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT THAT THAT LICENSE WAS ISSUED?
>> I THINK IT STILL NEEDS TO BE THERE SOMEWHERE SO THAT IT IS KNOWN THAT HEY.
THIS IS AND IT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN IN ADVANCE.
WE KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, MAYBE ONE OF THEM WAS THERE AND GOES, WAIT.
THAT WASN'T THE SAME AS WHAT IT HAD BEEN OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE, YOU KNOW?
>> THEN IN LIGHT OF THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE A POSSIBLE ADDITION TO THAT FORM TO SAY THAT NOTIFICATION LICENSE APPLICATIONS MUST BE RECEIVED A WEEK PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED BOARD MEETING.
>> WE TEND TO USE SEVEN CALENDAR DAYS AS A TOTAL OR OTHER THINGS?
>> SEVEN CALENDAR DAYS BEFORE THE BOARD MEETS?
>> BEFORE THE BOARD MEETS. A HEAVY LIFT ON [INAUDIBLE] TO DO THAT.
IT'S PRETTY BASIC. SEND IN YOUR APPLICATION OR TIPS CARD AND YOUR CLAN.
IN THE PAPER OR OTHER WORK TO BE DONE.
WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE FOR APPLICATION, BUT THAT WILL GENERALLY APPLY IN TRANSFER.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN THAT.
JESSIE HAS TO REVIEW LEGAL DOCUMENTS, BUT FOR TEMPLATE, SINCE WE'VE BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE WHEN THEY DO RUN IN THE DOOR THREE DAYS BEFORE THE COURT HEARING AND SAY, I FORGOT WHEN I GET MY LICENSE.
WE'VE BEEN FLEXIBLE WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO PUT IN THERE.
>> WE COULD STILL ALLOW IT TO MOVE FORWARD TO THREE DAYS, BUT AT LEAST IT'S IN THERE AND THEN I SHOULD BE GETTING THIS A WEEK IN ADVANCE.
HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
>> YEAH, THESE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.
THESE PEOPLE THEY AREN'T VIOLATING ANYTHING.
>> YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT OR MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THEM THAT SAYS, HEY MAYBE YOU WANT TO DO IT THIS WAY NEXT TIME.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER COME OF ANYTHING WHERE THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM.
MOST OF THE TEMPORARY LICENSE ARE [OVERLAPPING].
IF I CATCH SOMETHING, I PRETTY MUCH TELL HIM, HEY, DON'T DO THAT, OR BEFORE IT GETS TO THE VENT.
I REALLY TRY NOT TO DO VIOLATIONS UNLESS, OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAPPENED.
>> MOST OF THEM ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT AREN'T.
>> THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THOSE EVENTS ARE JUST SOCIAL.
IT'S A SOCIAL DRINK THING TYPE.
HAVING A MEAL OR IT'S NOT [OVERLAPPING].
>> A BAR TYPE PARTY ORGANIZATION TYPE THING.
>> ACTUALLY THERE WAS A QUESTION. IF I HAVE A TEMPORARY RECURRING LICENSES, OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GOING TO COMING BACK FOR FOUR.
DO I STILL HAVE TO COME IN TO GET THE LICENSE FROM YOU SPECIFY THAT IT'S ON A PARTICULAR DATE.
>> HERE'S THE LAW. UNDERSTANDING THAT TREE NOW HAS SUCH POWERS.
>> THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR ACTUALLY ASKING FOR THE ADVANCED NOTICE BECAUSE, IF WE WANT OUR INSPECTOR TO ATTEND THE EVENT, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE THAN THE DAY BEFORE THAT IT'S HAPPENING, SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE ENOUGH.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, APPLICANTS ACTUALLY COME IN AND PICK UP THEIR LICENSE.
I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAILING THE LINE SENSE, WHICH I HAD TO DO BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT WE'VE MAILED IT BEFORE IN THE PAST.
BUT ME BEING NEW, I WANT TO SEE EVERYBODY COME IN.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO'S GETTING THE LINE SENSE.
>> WITH TODAY'S MAIL SAY, THEY CANNOT PICK ON TIME.
>> YES. I WANT TO KNOW WHO IS ACTUALLY PICKING WHO'S THE LICENSE PERSON.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT.
>> THAT'S ONE THING I DO CHECK WHEN I GO TO THESE EVENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR LICENSE, JUST LIKE RIDGELY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAD IT ON THE BEER TRAILER WHERE THE BUSINESS WAS BEING CONDUCTED.
>> DO WE HAD THAT PROBLEM IN THE PAST WHERE IT WAS NOT SO EASY JUST TO REPRINT A LICENSE,
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AND WE WOULD MAIL THEM OUT AND IT'S MY LICENSE JUST EXPIRED WITH THE RENEWALS, SO WE WENT TO THAT A LONG TIME AGO WITH LICENSE RENEWALS THAT YOU PICK UP.WE GIVE THEM PLENTY OF ADVANCED NOTICE WHEN YOU MEET 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION, THEY GET IMMEDIATE NOTICE SAYING YOUR LICENSE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PICK UP BEGINNING THIS DATE, AND THEY HAVE LIKE A TWO WEEK PERIOD THAT THEY CAN PICK UP.
>> THIS IS NOW WE'RE UNDER DISCUSSION.
THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO PLAY EFFECT TO SOME TEMPORARY LICENSES.
OUR LAST CASE, SUSPENSION, AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH A LOT OF THESE ONE DAY LICENSES AS DOING THE ALCOHOL.
>> THERE'S THE DELIVERY OF THE ALCOHOL?
>> THEY'RE DOING THEY'RE SELLING. THEY'RE DOING THE DELIVERY.
>> CARRYING A SUSPENSION, YOU CANNOT RECEIVE ALCOHOL YOU SELL ALCOHOL.
>> REALLY WITH THEM, THEY'LL HAVE TO SHUT THE DOOR LOCK THE DOOR.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THEY SELL, AND I, THEY GOT CLEAR ALL THE ALCOHOL OUT, AND I'M SURE THEY GOT PROBABLY SOME SODAS OR SOMETHING IN THERE.
THAT'S ALL THEY'RE GOING TO SELL. THEY HAVE CIGARETTES.
>> THEY DO HAVE CIGARETTE I SEE THAT.
BUT I WAS MORE THINKING ABOUT THE ONE DAY LICENSE THAT EVERY ONE OF THEM IS USING THEM AS THEIR [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK WINTER PRESS IS USING THEM AS THE VENDOR, AND THAT'S IN DECEMBER.
>> DOES IT SPECIFY IN THE TEMPORARY LICENSE?
>> THE LICENSE HOLDERS SHE IS USING?
>> SHE MENTIONED IT. THAT'S IT.
BUT IT'S NOT ON THE APPLICATION.
>> THEY PROVIDE [INAUDIBLE] SERVICES AND THEY ALSO PROVIDE BARTENDER RED EVENTS THEY OFFER THAT SERVICE.
THEY JUST COULDN'T DO ANY DELIVERY.
>> COULDN'T BE THEIR ALCOHOL IN THE BUSINESS.
>> THAT GROUP WE MAY WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE SUSPENSION IN OUR LETTER OR WHATEVER THIS INCLUDES ANY DELIVERIES.
I'LL MAKE SURE THEY KNOW AND I THINK TRACY NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
THAT THERE'S A CHANCE AND THEN ON WHEN THEY PICK IT, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT FROM THEM, SO YOU BETTER HAVE SOMETHING ELSE LINED UP.
>> [LAUGHTER] I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB IN THIS.
>> I THINK NOT JUST TO SAVE FROM TAKING TIME, AND JUST LIKE MR. WHALEY.
HE RUNS HIS OWN PRIVATE BUSINESS.
HE'S TAKEN AWAY FROM HIS BUSINESS THREE YEARS APPLY FOR A LICENSE FOR HE DOESN'T CARE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT SAVES THEM TIME, AND ALSO SAVE TIME?
>> I THINK A THREE-YEAR RENEWAL FACTOR TO IS A GOOD THING.
>> ONCE YOU GET THE DATABASE AND HAS A GENEVA DATABASE.
WHO HAS THE RECURRING LICENSES.
YOU CAN REVISIT IT AT THAT REALLY, BUT I THINK WHAT SHE'S RUNNING INTO IS THERE WERE THESE RECURRING LICENSES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ISSUED 20 YEARS AGO WHEN OUR COMPUTERS WORK NEARLY AS WELL AS THEY DO NOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE.
>> MY GOD, I COULDN'T IMAGINE [LAUGHTER].
>> [LAUGHTER] TODAY'S BEING AS GOOD AS IT IS.
>> [BACKGROUND] AT EVERY MEETING, WE SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETE.
>> THAT'S FINE. YES. NO WORRIES. I GOT IT.
>> LOOK AT THE PAPER HERE, THEN I WOULD LOOK AT THAT COMPUTER [OVERLAPPING] THE FUNNY THING THIS IS A PAPERWORK REDUCTION.
>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD THAT WE'LL BRING YOU BACK THE FINAL VERSION THAT.
>> IS TO BEGIN IN JANUARY WITH THE CHANGE IN THE APPLICATION AND UTILIZING THE EVENT APPROVAL.
>> DO WE WANT TO POST THIS ONLINE SO THAT THOSE WHO HAVE RECURRING EVENTS THEY KNOW TO FEEL THIS?
>> WE'RE GOING TO FILL THIS OUT.
>> MOVING IT TO THE ONES THAT HAVE RECURRING.
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>> IF THEY MARKED THAT BOX THAT, YES, THIS IS A RECURRING.
>> THEN I THINK WE FILL THAT OUT BASED ON WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES IS THE FINAL APPROVAL, AND WE WILL FILL THAT OUT FOR THEM AND HAVE THE BOARD SIGN IT, AND THEY'LL NOTE ON THEIR APPLICATION IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE SEEKING.
>> THEN THAT MEANS WHEN I LIST ON HERE WHERE YOU SAID AT THE APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE BOARD MEETS OR THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
I WAS GOING TO SAY 30 DAYS BECAUSE WHAT IF THEY SUBMIT IT AND WE DON'T MEET.
>> I WAS THINKING OF [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE IF IT FALLS WITHIN.
>> LET SAY WEEK 4 BEFORE THE BOARD MEETING.
>> WANT TO SEND ONE NOTICE LETTER TO ALL TEMPORARY LICENSE HOLDERS TO ALERT THEM THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS.
>> I CAN WORK WITH GENEVA TO SAY, HERE'S EVERYONE WE NEED TO NOTIFY THAT WE KNOW IS HAVING EVENTS HAS RECEIVED AN APPROVAL IN THE PAST TO WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING TOWARDS THIS.
WE'LL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO NOTIFY.
>> COMMISSIONERS, MOVING FORWARD WHEN WE USE THIS, DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE APPLICANTS COME BEFORE US FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THEN GET THE APPROVALS, OR IS THIS JUST THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, I SUBMIT IT TO YOU GUYS.
WE APPROVE IT, AND I GIVE THEM THEIR APPLICATION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT IF IT'S SOMEBODY LET'S SAY RFDS OR ROSEBURG FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING IT MULTIPLE TIMES THAT NO, WE JUST NEED TO SEE THAT.
>> IF IT'S SOMEONE NEW THAT'S MARKED THAT BOX THAT SAYS, YES, THIS IS GOING TO BE A RECURRING EVENT, EVERY IT'S GOING TO FIT THE CRITERIA WE STILL NEED TO SEE THEM THAT FIRST TIME.
>> THAT'S I THINK IT TIES INTO WHAT GENEVA SAYING, SO WE HAVE STUCK UNLIMITED, MAYBE ANOTHER ONE THAT PRESS AND FIREHLE FOR CORNHOLE TOURNAMENTS ONLY.
NOT EVERY EVENT THAT WE CAN BRING THOSE TO YOU NOW AND LET YOU GO AHEAD AND CERTIFY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION IN THE PAST, AND THIS NOW IS GOING TO HAVE AN EXPIRATION.
THEN THOSE THAT WE KNOW ARE ANNUAL, BUT YOU'VE NEVER GIVEN APPROVAL TO FESTIVAL?
>> WE CAN REACH OUT TO DAVE WHALEY AND SAY, LOOK, PRIOR TO NEXT YEAR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FILE THIS FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION, WE CAN BRING IT TO YOU AT ANOTHER MEETING TO APPROVE.
THAT WAY, COME NEXT DECEMBER, HE WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK IN.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE HE COME BACK IN AND THEN REQUESTED AT THAT TIME TO GET THE ANNUAL APPROVAL.
WHICH WAY WOULD YOU RATHER HANDLE THAT?
>> NOT NECESSARILY LIKE MIKE WAS JUST SAYING THAT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN GETTING MULTIPLE.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T AUTHORIZED THEM NOT TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD?
>> BUT IF WE HAVE THAT FILLED OUT, THEN WE CAN AUTHORIZE.
>> WE CAN PUT AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
WE CAN OUT AND ASK NOW AND IF YOU [INAUDIBLE].
>> WITHOUT REQUIRING THEM TO BE HERE, BUT SOMEBODY THAT LET'S JUST SAY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CAME UP WITH A NEW EVENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE AN ANNUAL EVENT.
TRACY HAS TO COME OR WHOEVER WITH THE CHAMBER WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER APPROVED IT IN THE PAST.
AS LONG AS WE'VE ALREADY PRE-APPROVED IT, WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES, I THINK IF WE JUST HAVE THAT FILLED OUT, WE CAN APPROVE IT OFF OF THAT.
>> THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL JUST GENEVA AND I WILL WORK TOGETHER AND WE'LL COME UP WITH A LIST OF ANNUAL EVENTS THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE, REACH OUT TO THE LICENSE HOLDERS AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO FILL OUT.
WE'LL PUT THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR YOU TO DO THEM TOGETHER, ALL THE ONES WE HAVE AT A FUTURE MEETING DATE, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
I'LL COVER THE NEXT YEAR'S ANNUAL.
>> WE'VE THAT WRAPPED UP IN DECEMBER THAT WAY BEGINNING IN JANUARY IT'LL WORK.
>> MOVING ON INTO NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR BOARD ADMINISTRATORS REPORT.
[Board Administrator Report]
>> [LAUGHTER] THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR REPORT, WE HAVE A BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING TO TAKE CARE OF?
>> NO, IT'S JUST ONE. [LAUGHTER] EARTH TONES.
THEY CLOSED THEIR LICENSE ESTABLISHMENT, AND THEY TURNED IN THEIR 2025 ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE ON SEPTEMBER, 2025.
I MISSED THAT ON THE PAST LAST MONTH'S MEETING, SO JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THEY'VE TURNED IT IN.
MOVING ON TO THE TEMPORARY ONE DAY LICENSES FOR THE MONTH.
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GOLDSBORO VFC.THEY HELD 21 DAY EVENTS, THE MONTHLY SHRIMP DINNER ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 3, AND THERE WAS A BIRTHDAY PARTY HALL RENTAL, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 4.
RIDGELY VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT HELD 31 DAY EVENTS.
TWO-ONE DAY EVENTS, SPORTSMAN'S CASH BASH SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, AND THEIR PRO WRESTLING FRIDAY, OCTOBER 10.
THEY HAVE ANOTHER ONE COME NEXT MONTH.
PRESTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY HELD 21 DAY EVENTS, THE CORN HOLE TOURNAMENT THAT WAS SATURDAY, OCTOBER 18 AND THE WEDDING RECEPTION SATURDAY, OCTOBER 11.
AMERICAN LEGION, CAROLINE POST 29 HELD TWO EVENTS, THEIR LAST WINGS AND WHEELS WEDNESDAY ON OCTOBER 15.
THEY ALSO HAVE A TURKEY SHOOT COMING UP SUNDAY, OCTOBER 26, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ONE DAY EVENT OKTOBERFEST.
THEY HAVE THEIR REGULAR EVENT WITH THE ALCOHOL, AND THEN THEY HAVE A TASTING EVENT AS WELL WITHIN THAT SAME EVENT.
NEW LICENSE, BARGAIN BEVERAGE TURNED IN THEIR OLD LICENSE AND PICKED UP THEIR NEW TRANSFER LICENSE ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER, AND THAT CONCLUDES REPORT.
>> THANK YOU. BRING ON TO THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT K.
[Inspector's Report]
>> OBVIOUSLY, FROM THE VIOLATIONS YOU'VE HEARD HAVE AN IDEA WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING.
I WENT DOWN TO RIDGE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR GUN BASH.
ONE THING I TRIED TO DO WAS DO UNDERAGE CHECKS OR UNDER 21 CHECKS THAT I HADN'T NORMALLY DONE.
RIDGE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID PASS THE UNDER 21 CHECK.
WE DID FIND A FEW PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T OF AGE TO BE IN THERE, BUT THAT WAS DEALT WITH BY STAFF.
MS. BARBIE DID A VERY EXCELLENT JOB CHECKING IDS AND REALIZING PEOPLE WERE 21.
I'VE CONTINUED TO DO CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND ONE OTHER THING I'VE BEEN STEPPING UP WITH THESE VIOLATIONS I'VE BROUGHT TO YOU.
I'VE BEEN STEPPING UP AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME I'VE BEEN SPENDING WITH ESTABLISHMENTS, CHECKING IDS.
LAST NIGHT I WAS AT DENTON LIQUORS.
BEFORE THAT, I WAS PRETTY MUCH DID EVERYWHERE IN THE TOWN OF FEDERALSBURG, SPENDING TIME WITH THEM, ANSWERING QUESTIONS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
HOPEFULLY TO HELP CURB THE VIOLATIONS.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY SHOW CALLS COMING ON NOVEMBER?
I PICKED UP ON ONE THING, AND IN OUR LAST CASE, THE PICTURE OF THE CI 1 AND CI 2, CI 2 WAS WEARING [LAUGHTER].
>> SURE. [LAUGHTER] I WAS LIKE, OKAY.
I'M UNDER AGE. ONE THING I KNEW THAT'S LIKE A BIG SIGN.
>> I TRY I'M WONDERING IN LIGHT OF MR. THORNTON ASKING IF YOU HAD CHECKED ANYTHING ELSE, THAT IF YOU DO FIND A VIOLATION, MAYBE TO KEEP HIM FROM GOING THERE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK THE EMPLOYEE LIST?
>> YES. THAT IS ONE THING I PICKED UP ON.
IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, I DIDN'T FEEL A NEED BECAUSE I KNEW EVERYONE IN THAT ET.
BUT TO COVER MY BASIS AND TO BE MORE THOROUGH, I THINK I WILL.
YES. I DIDN'T TYPICALLY I DO, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO GET OFF INTO A WHOLE OTHER, BUT WHEN HE WAS ASKING THAT, QUICKLY COULD HAVE ASKED FOR THE NOTEBOOK.
SHE SIGNED A NOTEBOOK WHEN SHE LEFT?
>> THE FIGURED WE HAD ENOUGH GOING ON.
I WASN'T GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT IT, BUT [INAUDIBLE].
>> THEY DID NOT HAVE SOMEONE THERE CERTIFIED, AND THEY DID, SO EVEN THOUGH A PERSON LEFT, THEY STILL HAD ANOTHER PERSON THERE CERTIFIED, SO THEY WOULDN'T HE FIRED TO YOU.
>> ONE LEFT TO GO GET HIS DOG.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS A PERSON IN THE LIST.
>> I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMEBODY [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S IS NOT A PERSON ON OUR LIST BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE NAME.
THAT'S NOT A PERSON ON OUR LIST.
>> THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP THAT ROBIN HAVE YOU UPDATED YOUR LIST BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT YOU MENTIONED IS NOT ON THE LIST LIST.
>> ANYWAY, HEARINGS OVER, SO YOU SHOULDN'T DISCUSSING.
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[Meeting Adjourns]
>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND THAT WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2025.
>> ALL OPPOSED. THANK YOU.
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