>> PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
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WITH US HERE TONIGHT IS OUR DIRECTOR,[Call to Order]
CRYSTAL DADDS, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, IS THAT RIGHT?>> OF PLANNING, LESLIE GRUNDEN, MATT, THAT YOU ALL DEAL WITH ALL THE TIME, MATT, AND HE HAS A TITLE THAT'S THIS ONE.
OUR LONG-RANGE PLANNER, OLIVIA; THE BOARD ADMINISTRATOR, MS. GENEVA; THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
>> STEWART. I WANT TO CALL YOU SCOT, T ALL THE TIME, STEWART, AND I THINK YOUR NEWEST EMPLOYEE.
>> BRAND NEW EMPLOYEE, I WROTE IT DOWN HERE, NATHAN STEPHENS.
THEN THE MEMBERS TONIGHT IS MEMBER ROGER MCKNIGHT, KEITH BILBROUGH, ASSISTANT CHAIRPERSON MS. HANNAH CAWLEY, AND MYSELF, JEFF JACKSON, THE CHAIRMAN.
WELCOME. EVERYBODY'S GOT CELL PHONES; IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE TURN THEM OFF OR PUT THEM ON SILENT.
IF YOU NEED TO USE THEM, GO OUTSIDE IN THE HALLWAY.
FOR THE AGENDA, THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING.
[Chairman's Closed Session Approval of Minutes]
AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAD A CLOSED SESSION, AND WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE CLOSED SESSION THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE IF EVERYBODY WILL TAKE A CHANCE LOOK OVER THEM, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.>> DOES HE VOTE? HE WAS ABSENT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD.
>> I DON'T THINK SO. SHALL I ABSTAIN?
>> JUST ABSTAIN. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE, BUT WE HAVE ONE MEMBER THAT WILL ABSTAIN BECAUSE HE WAS NOT PRESENT FOR THE CLOSED SESSION, BUT WE STILL HAVE THREE, SO THAT'S A QUORUM.
>> GOOD. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CLOSED MEETING MINUTES.
>> ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> THE MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
HOLD ON, JUST A MINUTE BEFORE I FORGET THIS.
YES, SHE HAS TO HAVE THEM BACK.
>> NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE CAROLINE COUNTRY CLUB.
[Caroline Country Club - Final Site Plan Approval]
IT'S FOR THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.>> MATT, IF YOU WILL GIVE US A BRIEF ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THE APPLICANT, CAROLINE COUNTRY CLUB.
>> MR. DAVID DICKIESON, IS HERE REPRESENTING THE COUNTRY CLUB, HAS REQUESTED A FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A GOLF COURSE AND A ROLE SPECIAL EVENT VENUE.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON [INAUDIBLE] 37 GRID 2, PARCEL 79, ALSO KNOWN AS 24820 PEALIQUOR ROAD IN DENTON.
THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2019 AND HAS BEEN MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO GET THE GOLF COURSE BACK TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO BE PLAYABLE.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MR. DICKIESON HAS DONE HAS APPLIED NOT ONLY FOR THE GOLF COURSE, BUT FOR REAL SPECIAL EVENT VENUE,
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SO HE CAN HOST EVENTS, BOTH COMMUNITY AND PRIVATE EVENTS.WITHIN THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE, THERE'S MULTIPLE ROOMS THAT COULD BE RENTED OUT, RESERVED FOR ANY NUMBER OF EVENTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN PARTICULAR, FOR RESTORING THE GOLF COURSE, HAS BEEN IN PHASES.
MR. DICKIESON HAS BEEN GOING PIECE BY PIECE OVER THE YEARS, WORKING ON THE DRIVING RANGE, REPAIRING THE GREENS, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, SAND TRAPS, EVERYTHING INVOLVED WITH GETTING IT BACK TO PLAYABLE CONDITION.
THE REAL SPECIAL EVENT VENUE AND GOLF COURSE THEY BOTH REQUIRE NOT ONLY A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD, BUT ALSO A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
THE BZA DID APPROVE A SPECIAL USE FOR BOTH OF THOSE USES.
AT THIS POINT, MR. DICKIESON IS AT HIS FINAL SITE PLAN, WHICH NEEDS TO BE APPROVED FOR BOTH USES, AND THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE TONIGHT TO GO OVER WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AT THIS FACILITY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER NOW, IF WE CAN OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO MR. DICKIESON.
>> WE HAVE NO OUTSTANDING VIOLATIONS OR ANYTHING?
>> ANYBODY GOT QUESTIONS FOR MATT RIGHT NOW? GO RIGHT AHEAD.
THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I HOPE ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.
I HOPE YOU ALL ARE GOING TO PLAY GOLF SOON.
BUT WHEN I SAW THE PROPERTY AND BOUGHT IN 2019, IT SITS RIGHT ON CHOPTANK RIVER, THE SUN SETS OVER THE RIVER.
I'VE BEEN GOING OUT THERE NOW FOR SIX YEARS TO TRY TO BRING IT BACK, NOT CHANGE ANYTHING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE BONES OF THE PROPERTY AND THE GOLF COURSE OF THE COUNTRY CLUB BUILDING ARE GREEN, AND THEY HAD FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR.
THERE WERE SAPLINGS GROWING IN THE FAIRWAY.
THE GREENS WERE COMPLETELY OVERRUNNING.
THERE WAS MOLD IN THE CLUBHOUSE; THEY HAVEN'T WINTERIZED ANYTHING.
THEY LET FOOD ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND SO THE RATS AND THE MICE CAME IN, AND SNAKES CAME IN.
WE'VE BEEN FIXING IT ALL UP, AND IT'S REALLY A GEM AT THIS POINT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PRIVATE CLUB.
IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THE WHOLE COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY IT.
IT'S BEEN AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY FOR OVER 50 YEARS, AND WE HOPE THAT IT WILL BE FOR ANOTHER 50 IN THE FUTURE.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, I'VE INVESTED A LOT IN THIS PROPERTY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES.
>> IT'S BEEN A GOLF COURSE FOREVER.
>> THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE EVENTS THERE, OR WHEN IT WAS OPENED BEFORE, THEY WOULD DO EVENTS THERE.
THIS TIME, IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? WELL, I GUESS YOU MAY HAVE SOME MEMBERSHIPS.
>> WE HAVE UNLIMITED PLAY MEMBERS, BUT ANYONE CAN BECOME AN UNLIMITED PLAY MEMBER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SPECIAL [INAUDIBLE].
>> TO SHOW YOU TAX RETURNS AND ALL THAT?
>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> FOR THE FINAL SITE PLAN, THERE'S EIGHT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE CAN DO THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
MATT IS SO NICE THAT HE DOES IT FOR US, THAT HE REVIEWS ALL EIGHT AREAS AND WRITES IT UP.
MATT HAS TOLD US HE HAS FOUND NO REASON THAT THIS WOULD HINDER ANY OF THOSE EIGHT THINGS.
ANYBODY CAN STOP ME IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT TO DEBATE THIS OR TALK ABOUT IT, BUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MATT HAS FOUND THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A GOLF COURSE FOREVER.
I THINK SOMEBODY TOLD ME AT ONE TIME, IT COULD NEVER BE ANYTHING BUT A GOLF COURSE, OR YOU COULDN'T BUILD HOUSES ON IT OR ANYTHING.
IT HAS TO BE A GOLF COURSE OR PARK.
>> IT'S ZONED RURAL WITH AN SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A GOLF COURSE.
>> COMPLIANCE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS, AGAIN, HE HAS FOUND THAT THE INFORMATION COMPLIES WITH THE DESIGN STANDARD, INFORMATION SUBMITTED.
ACCESS AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, AGAIN, THE GOLF COURSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
IT DOESN'T IMPACT TRAFFIC, OTHER THAN WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING CARS BACK OUT THERE AGAIN.
THE EFFECT ON SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO EFFECT ON SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS.
THE NEIGHBORS ARE PROBABLY GLAD TO HAVE THE GOLF COURSE BACK.
IT HAS NO EFFECT ON SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT OR NEIGHBOR PROPERTY OWNERS.
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MATT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS.>> NO. WE'VE RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS.
>> EFFECT ON COMMUNITY FACILITIES: THERE'S NO IMPACT ON COMMUNITY FACILITIES, OPEN SPACE, AND AVAILABLE UTILITIES.
THAT'S THE EIGHT AREAS, AND YOU'VE ALL BEEN ABLE TO READ THEM.
MATT HAS FOUND NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE EIGHT AREAS, AND STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS.
BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, ANYBODY GOT A QUESTION ON THE EIGHT AREAS? YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PRINTS, YOU GOOD?
>> MATT, I WAS READING THROUGH THE EVENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND I SEE THAT CONTRACT FOR EVENTS REQUIRES EVENTS TO END AT 11:00.
IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR EVENT REGULATIONS FOR HOURS?
>> YES. IT'S 9:00 AM UNTIL 11:00 PM.
>> MR. DICKIESON, I SEE IN HERE THAT YOUR FOOD CATERING AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE BY OUTSIDE VENDORS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS IN THE FUTURE? I KNOW THEY HAD A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND EVERYTHING THERE BEFORE, WHICH PROBABLY NEEDS A LOT OF UPDATES FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
IS THERE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE?
>> I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HEADACHE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
I'VE GOT THE OUTSIDE CATERERS, THE CULINARY INSTITUTE HAS BEEN A GOOD SOURCE OF CATERING.
IN FACT, IF THEY WANTED TO FIND A PLACE [INAUDIBLE].
BUT NO, JUST THE EVENTS ARE OUTSIDE CATER EVENTS.
>> DOES THAT REQUIRE ANY HEALTH DEPARTMENT?
>> THE CATERERS WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN LICENSES [OVERLAPPING] THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
>> BUT THE FACILITY DOESN'T HAVE?
>> THE FACILITY WOULD ONLY NEED A LICENSE IF THEY WANTED TO SERVE FOOD OR BEVERAGES THERE.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION TOO IF YOU DO HAVE INTENTIONS OF OBTAINING AN ALCOHOL LICENSE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS THEY WOULD REGULATE ANY OPEN BEVERAGE UNDER A FOOD AND BEVERAGE PERMIT.
>> I'LL TALK TO YOU AFTER THIS MEETING ABOUT THAT.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAINT HIM INTO A CORNER.
WOULD HE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT IF FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, HE WANTS TO PUT IN OR UPDATE THE KITCHEN?
>> DO HE NEED TO COME BACK AND DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT?
>> HE WOULD FALL UNDER THE ALLOWABLE USE TO DO THAT.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THE COMPONENTS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
>> HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BUT NOTHING THROUGH SITE PLAN? [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, NOTHING FROM SITE PLAN, NOTHING FROM THE ROLE SPECIAL EVENT VENUE ASPECT.
>> IF HE WANTS A ALCOHOL LICENSE, CRYS, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT GOLFERS, IT SAYS YOU CAN'T PLAY GOLF AND DRINK A BEER.
BUT WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE BRINGING IT OUT THERE?
>> YOU CAN'T CURRENTLY DO BYOB IF YOU'RE A FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS.
THERE ARE OTHER MEANS TO USE THIS AS AN EVENT VENUE.
HE COULD USE A LICENSED CATERER.
THERE IS AN ALCOHOL CATERERS LICENSE OR NONPROFITS WHO WANT TO HOST THEIR EVENT AT THAT VENUE, COULD OBTAIN THEIR OWN ONE-DAY SPECIAL LICENSE TO DO SO, OR IF HE WANTS TO ALSO OBTAIN HIS OWN LICENSE FOR THE FACILITY, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF LICENSE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN ACTUAL GOLF COURSE BEER, WINE, AND LIQUOR LICENSE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A EVENT VENUE LICENSE.
IT MIGHT BE EITHER/OR, OR BOTH.
WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BUT THERE WOULD BE BOTH OF THOSE CLASSES OF LICENSES THAT WOULD FIT WHAT HE'S LOOKING TO DO.
>> MY ONLY THOUGHT, THE FOUR PEOPLE THEY GET TOGETHER ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND THEY'LL PLAY AROUND THE GOLF WITH THEIR COOLERS.
>> WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A COMBINED GOLF LIQUOR LICENSE AND VENUE LIQUOR LICENSE.
THEY SAID THAT MINE WAS TWO TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP MAKE IT PROFITABLE.
>> AGAIN, YOU DON'T WANT THEM PAYING ANY [INAUDIBLE] DON'T WANT THEM TO GET IN ANY TROUBLE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A KITCHEN OR NOT ANTICIPATING.
>> THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO DRIVE WHAT HAS TO BE DONE ON, MATT.
>> I GOT YOU, AND MAKE SURE THAT SAYING THAT IS NOT LIMITED, [OVERLAPPING] MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE A MOTION?
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION AS PROPOSED. [NOISE]
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>> DID YOU SECOND IT, MR. BILBROUGH?
>> MR. BILBROUGH HAS SECONDED.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
HEARING NONE, THE MOTION PASSES.
[Coastal Trailer Sales and Leasing]
KNOW HOW I KEEP SCREWING THIS UP.>> NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS COASTAL TRAILER SALES LEASING.
IS IT A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVED?
>> IT'S A FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVED.
FOR EVERYTHING AND I THINK I HAVE TO DO THIS, MR. STEWART.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY, SO I CAN'T PARTICIPATE WITH Y'ALL, I'M TOLD THAT I HAVE TO GO SIT IN THE AUDIENCE.
>> THAT'S WHY I WILL ABSTAIN AND MS. COLLEY WILL BE TAKING OVER.
>> GOOD EVENING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> MR. JOE RECORDS IS HERE, ALONG WITH TIM GLASS FROM LANE ENGINEERING.
JOE IS THE OWNER OF COASTER TRAILER SALES AND LEASING.
HE'S REQUESTED A FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH FOR THE USE THAT IT FALLS INTO IS A MOTOR VEHICLE DEALER AND A MOTOR VEHICLE RENTAL OR LEASING SERVICE.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON TAX MAP 33, GRID 23, PARCEL 38, ALSO KNOWN AS 25690 SHORE HIGHWAY IN DENTON.
THE EXISTING PARCEL'S VACANT ON DEVELOPED LAND.
IT'S SPLIT ZONED TO C2 AND ALL RURAL.
CURRENTLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A GRAVEL PARKING AND STORAGE AREA, THAT'S WHERE TRAILERS ARE GOING TO BE STORED THERE, SOLD, LEASED.
THERE WON'T BE ANY EMPLOYEES ON SITE OTHER THAN WHEN THEY MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.
AT THIS POINT, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH NUMEROUS REVIEWS, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH A STATE HIGHWAY REVIEW AS WELL, THEY'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR COMMENTS.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
STATE HIGHWAY HAD A FEW STANDARD COMMENTS AND I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS, AND THERE'S NO REAL ISSUES WITH THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THERE.
AGAIN, THESE TWO USES REQUIRE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH PLANNING REVIEW WITH OUR DEPARTMENT THROUGH NUMEROUS REVIEWS AND THEY ARE READY AT THIS POINT FOR A FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM.
IF NOT, WE CAN OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE APPLICANT.
>> I WAS NEVER ABLE TO GET THE SITE PLAN.
>> IT'S ON THE ACTUAL AGENDA BECAUSE THERE'S AN ERROR MESSAGE TRYING TO OPEN IT, BUT I CAN PUT THE MAP UP.
>> ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU CLICK ON SITE, IT'S A LINK IN THE SITE, SO SITE PLAN? IT'LL PULL IT UP.
>> I ALSO HAVE FRONT AXIS AS WELL.
>> IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, I GUESS THIS IS CRYSTAL QUESTION, WHY THE TWO PARCELS JUST START ZONED TOGETHER, THE SAME.
>> WE HAVE VARIOUS PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT ARE SPLIT ZONED, NOT ALL OF THEM FOLLOW THE PARCEL BOUNDARIES, SO THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON.
>> WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT LATER AND THE COMP PLAN.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS TIM GLASS LANE ENGINEERING.
I'LL JUST ADD TO WHAT MATT HAD GONE OVER INCIDENTALLY TODAY.
WE DID GET A FINAL APPROVAL LETTER FROM STATE HIGHWAY ABOUT THREE ADDRESSED A FEW OF THEIR COMMENTS SIGNATURE LAST WEEK.
SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH, WE GOT A APPROVAL LETTER BACK TODAY, WHICH WAS PRETTY QUICK FOR THE WAY THEY USUALLY WORK THERE.
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THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS TO BUTTON UP WITH THEM, OF COURSE, STANDARD PAPERWORK AND APPLICATIONS AND SOME BONDING AMOUNTS AND SO FORTH.MATT PROVIDED US WITH EDITED VERSIONS OF WHAT I WOULD CALL THE THE FINISH LINE WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH IS YOUR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION AGREEMENTS, YOUR FOREST CONSERVATION EASEMENT AGREEMENTS, AND FOREST CONSERVATION PLAN MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.
THOSE ARE ALL FEED UP FOR SIGNATURE BY THE OWNERS.
REALLY AT THIS POINT, OUR FINAL STEP IS TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION BACK THEN WAIT APPROVAL.
THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE DESIGN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS OTHER THAN THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO GET HERE APPROVAL ON THIS PROJECT.
>> THERE'S NO HIGHWAY ENTRANCE THAT'S ALL OF SENATE ROAD.
>> THERE'S AN EXISTING EASEMENT AND THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS FROM THE PARCEL TO SENATE, AND OUR PROPOSED DRIVEWAY CONNECTION IS GOING TO MATCH THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT'S THERE NOW AND STAY WITHIN THAT EASEMENT THAT PLANNING.
>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? DO WE NEED TO GO OVER ALL OF THEM?
>> DO I NEED TO DO THAT, MATT?
JUST YOU COULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE ON THE PREVIOUS ONE.
HAVE TO READ WORK FOR WORD, BUT JUST AS LONG AS YOU ADDRESS EACH TOPIC ONE THROUGH EIGHT?
THE FIRST ONE COVERS EVERYTHING THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IT DOES UNDER ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
THE SECOND ONE IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH IT ALL MEETS.
THE THIRD ONE IS ACCESS TO TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION, AND THAT'S ALL ON THE SITE PLAN STAYING CLEAR.
THE FOURTH ONE IS EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE'S NO ISSUES THERE.
THE FIFTH ONE, THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED USE AND SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
THEN EFFECT ON COMMUNITY FACILITIES, NO EFFECT ON THAT, NO HISTORICAL PROBLEMS. THE SEVENTH. THERE'S NO OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THIS APPLICATION AND THE EIGHTH IS THE AVAILABLE UTILITIES.
NO ISSUES WITH THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU APPLIED OR STARTED YOUR PROCESS WITH MVA FOR YOUR LICENSE REQUIREMENTS WITH THEM FOR THE DEALERSHIP?
>> IT IS WHAT FALLS UNDER WHAT ARE DEFINITION.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE PLANS PRESENTED.
>> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
>> ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
>> WE'LL GET STRAIGHT ON THOSE AGREEMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GET A FINAL ORDER.
>> THAT'S PERFECT. [BACKGROUND].
>> ONCE YOU GET THOSE PLANS SIGNED BY HER?
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>> BUT YOU WERE GOING JUST KEEP RIGHT ON GOING.
[VC District - Mini Storage]
>> THE MINI STORAGE. IS THAT ON THE AGENDA?
>> STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE VILLAGE CENTERS.
>> MINI STORAGE STAFF REPORT, VILLAGE CENTER.
THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS VILLAGE CENTER DISTRICT, MINI STORAGE.
IS THAT YOURS? WHO'S GOT THE STAFF REPORT THERE?
LAST MONTH, IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOT SO MUCH A REQUEST AS JUST HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THE STORAGE UNITS BEING IN THE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICT, AS THERE WAS A REQUEST AND INQUIRY ABOUT PUTTING ONE IN.
CURRENTLY IT IS NOT PERMITTED, BUT STAFF HAD BEEN LOOKING AT HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THE VC VILLAGE DISTRICTS.
THERE'S A MAP IN THE BACK THAT I CAN GO AND GET AND BRING UP, IF YOU LIKE.
BUT WE WERE LISTING THEM OUT, BUT ON YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE VC ZONES WITHIN THE RURAL VILLAGE DISTRICTS ARE SPECIFICALLY AMERICAN CORNER, BETHLEM, BRIDGETOWN, BURSVILL, CHOP TANK, HARMONY, HICKMAN, HOBBS, AND TANYARD.
THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT ANY OTHER ZONING WITHIN THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ALIGN WITH THE VCS DISTRICT INTENT TO SUPPORT SMALL SCALE BUSINESSES SERVING THE RURAL COMMUNITIES.
THE GOAL WAS TO ALLOW A MIX OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE ALLOWED IN THE C1 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, LIKE RETAIL, BUSINESS, PERSONAL SERVICES THAT WOULD PRETTY MUCH SERVE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
DURING THE DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, IT WAS NOTED THAT STORAGE FACILITIES COULD BENEFIT BOTH THE RESIDENTS THAT NEEDED SPACE FOR PERSONAL USE BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE TOO MANY THINGS THESE DAYS.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MOVING AND YOU NEED THAT STORAGE UNIT IN BETWEEN MOVES, BUT ALSO LOCAL BUSINESSES NEED SPACE FOR EITHER INVENTORY OR SUPPLIES AND THEY USE STORAGE UNITS A LOT.
IN REVIEWING EVERYTHING, THE STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE AREA, IT INDICATES THAT THERE IS A DEMAND FOR STORAGE UNITS, AND THAT DEMAND HAS NOT BEEN MET.
THE VC AND THE C1 DISTRICTS ALLOW FOR STORES AND BUSINESSES AND PERSONAL SERVICES THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
EVERYONE FELT THAT THIS WAS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE VC ZONES ALLOWED AND THE SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES NOT PERK.
YOU CANNOT HAVE ANYTHING THERE, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR EVEN A BUSINESS THAT WOULD REQUIRE TO HAVE A BATHROOM.
YOU COULDN'T EVEN HAVE SOME TYPE OF A BUSINESS THAT EVEN JUST HAD ONE PERSON THAT HAD TO BE ON SITE ALL DAY, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BATHROOM.
THE STORAGE UNIT EVERYONE FELT WAS A GOOD USE FOR THAT PROPERTY AND MET THE INTENT AS WELL.
STAFF WAS ASKED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE AND TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS.
AGAIN, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS, SO YOU CAN CERTAINLY ADD TO THEM, CHANGE THEM, DELETE THEM.
ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ASSESSED PARCELS OR LOTS, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND 10 FOOT FRONT, REAR, AND SIDE SETBACKS.
IF THE PARCEL WAS ADJACENT TO ANY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ASSESSED PARCEL OR LOT, 10 FOOT FRONT AND REAR, BUT ONLY FIVE FEET ON THE SIDE SETBACKS BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A COMMON AND COMPATIBLE USE.
MAXIMUM BUILDING SIZE UP TO 3,000 SQUARE FEET GROSS FLOOR AREA FOR BUILDING OR BUILDINGS, SO IT WOULD BE A COMBINED IF IT'S MORE THAN ONE BUILDING FOR ONE ACRE OR LESS IN SIZE.
THEN FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS OVER ONE ACRE, THE GROSS FLOOR AREA PERMITTED WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE BZA BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL OR THE LOT,
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AND THE SCALE OF THE ADJACENT AND OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA.REGARDLESS OF IF THIS GOT ADOPTED, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BZA AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION ANYWAY.
THEY CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
HEIGHT, THERE WOULD BE A LIMIT OF TWO STORIES.
BUT AGAIN, ALLOW THE BZA THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A THREE STORY BUILDING IF IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA.
JUST GIVING SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT PUTTING RESTRICTION ON IN THE AREAS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
LANDSCAPE BUFFER, ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ASSESSED PARCELS OR LOTS, PROVIDE A SINGLE ROW OF EVERGREEN TREES, MINIMUM SIX FOOT AND HEIGHT AT PLANTING, SPACE 10 FEET ON CENTER.
IF IT WAS ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ASSESSED PARCELS OR LOTS, PROVIDE A SINGLE ROW OF EVERGREEN TREES, MINIMUM SIX FEET AND HEIGHT AT PLANTING, SPACE 20 FEET ON CENTER.
AGAIN, YOU'RE ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFERING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL TO COMMERCIAL.
LIGHTING PROVIDES SUFFICIENT LIGHTING FOR PARKING AREAS, ACCESS AREAS, AND PROPERTY TO ENSURE SAFETY FOR CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES IN ADDITION TO DETERRING VANDALISM AND THEFT.
LIGHTING SHOULD BE SENSOR ACTIVATED AND DARK SKY FRIENDLY, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH DIRECTED DOWNWARD, MINIMAL GLARE AND SKY GLOW.
BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, LIKE WE ALL SEE RIGHT NOW, IT'S DARK AT FIVE O'CLOCK, MAKES IT FEEL LIKE IT'S NINE O'CLOCK BUT IF YOU WENT TO A STORAGE UNIT, TO GET ANYTHING OUT OR PUT ANYTHING IN, YOU'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS SOME LIGHTING, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME EMPLOYEE OR EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE TO GO BY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS UP KEPT.
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY AND THEY HAVE TO PUT A LOCK ON THE DOOR OR WHATEVER.
YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY ITSELF FROM BURGLARY OR VANDALISM, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE ON THAT PROPERTY, THAT THERE'S THAT LIGHTING AND PROTECTION FOR THEM. FENCING.
>> IF FENCING IS NOT PROPOSED, BECAUSE NOT ALL STORAGE UNITS ARE FENCED.
IF IT'S NOT PROPOSED, LET THE BZA DETERMINE THE NEED BASED ON ADJACENT USES, ALONG WITH INPUT FROM THE APPLICANT.
THEY MAY HAVE A VERY GOOD REASON TO NOT WANT FENCE, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE SHOWING FENCING ON THE SITE PLAN OR PROPOSING IT, AND THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MIGHT GO.
WE HAVE A DAYCARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
YOU DON'T WANT LITTLE KIDS RUNNING OVER THERE.
AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A DETERMINATION MADE ON A CASE-BY-CASE.
THE LAST ONE, LONG-TERM PARKING STORAGE BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM ON THEIR PROPERTIES, MAYBE FOR THEIR RV OR THEIR BOAT, OR IF THEY LIVE SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S AN HOA, IT'S NOT PERMITTED, 10% OF THE PARCEL FOR THE LOT, THAT SIZE COULD BE UTILIZED, WHICH WOULD ALLOW ABOUT SEVEN VEHICLES STORED PER ACRE BASED ON A 12 BY 50 PARKING SPOT, AND THAT'S TYPICAL SIZE FOR LARGE RV OR BOAT, AND SURE YOU CAN ATTEST TO THAT, IF THAT'S CORRECT.
THE AREA FOR LONG-TERM PARKING STORAGE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE REAR OF THE PARCEL OR LOT WITH ADDITIONAL SCREENING FROM ADJACENT PARCELS OF TWO ROWS OF EVERGREEN TREES, SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AT PLANTING, SPACED 10 FEET ON CENTER.
THAT'S JUST THAT LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA BUFFER OF THE VISUAL, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S NEAR.
PAVED OR GRAVEL SURFACE THAT IS SUITABLE FOR THE LARGER VEHICLES AND MARKED ACCORDINGLY.
ALL VEHICLE STORAGE AREAS SHOULD INCLUDE MEASURES TO PREVENT SPILLS AND HAZARDS FROM GASOLINE, OIL OR OTHER FLUIDS, INCLUDING PROPER CONTAINMENT, DRAINAGE CONTROLS, AND ADHERENCE TO THE LOCAL AND STATE ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS AND SAFETY STANDARDS.
THAT'S WHAT STAFFS COME BACK WITH, AND I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY?
>> NUMBER 2, WHY LIMITED TO 3,000 SQUARE FEET?
>> THE ONE THAT CAME IN, AND MATT CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE SHOWING.
WHEN YOU GET INTO HAVING ENOUGH AREA FOR YOUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BUFFERING OR SCREENING.
BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO STORAGE UNITS, YOU DO NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH AREA TO GET IN AND OUT WITH TRUCKS WITH U-HAUL TRUCKS, TRUCKS THAT ARE PULLING THE FLAT TRAILERS, AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT AND THAT SITE, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD HANDLE.
>> I JUST WANT TO MENTION REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT A SITE-SPECIFIC REZONING.
THIS IS A UNIVERSAL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
THE 3,000 SQUARE FOOT SCALE, AND I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE DETERMINED THROUGH BZA CONDITIONS, BUT BECAUSE THESE ARE VILLAGE CENTERS, MOST OF THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THOSE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE GENERALLY RESIDENTIAL SCALE,
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SO WE'RE ALLOWING A COMMERCIAL USE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT SCALED SO THAT IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING VILLAGE.>> THE INTENT WAS THAT THIS COMMERCIAL ALLOWANCE IN THE VILLAGES WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE C1 ZONING.
IF YOU WERE TO PUT A MINI STORAGE IN C1 ZONING YOU ARE MAXIMUM AT 3,000 SQUARE FEET, SO THAT WOULD BE KEEPING THEM.
>> TOTAL. I JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S COMBINED TOTAL OF 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
>> THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE.
>> THE MINI STORAGES THAT WE DO HAVE IN THE COUNTY, I BELIEVE OUT AT 16 BEHIND RURAL FARMS ON 404 IN BOTH ENDS, BUT THOSE ARE OUR ZONE C2.
C2 ALLOWS FOR OVER 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
OUR VILLAGE COMMERCIAL WE'VE INTENDED FOR IT TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH OUR C1, WHICH IS NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WOULD BE SERVING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THE REASON WHY NUMBER 2 IS LISTED AS UP TO 3,000 SQUARE FEET GROSS FLOOR AREA, IF IT'S ONE BUILDING OR IF IT'S A COMBINED FOR ONE ACRE OR LESS, AND THEN ALLOWING MORE, DETERMINED BY THE BZA.
BECAUSE IT WAS POINTED OUT LAST MONTH THAT THERE ARE PARCELS IN THE ZONE THAT'S LARGER THAN AN ACRE OR TWO ACRES THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN THAT.
AGAIN, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING IF THIS PASSED ON A SITE BY SITE CASE-BY-CASE-BASIS, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PARCEL, BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE AREA.
IS IT ALL ONE-STORY HOMES? IS IT TWO-STORY HOMES? IS THERE ANY COMMERCIAL NEARBY? THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY.
IF YOU HAD A FOUR OR FIVE-ACRE PARCEL.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY LIMIT IT TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF BUILDING SPACE IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE ROOM IN THERE.
>> THAT'S THE WAY TO REACH UP TO 3,000 FOR ONE ACRE OR LESS.
IF I HAD TWO ACRES, I COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT I WANT KNOW TO BUILD.
>> YOU COULD DO THAT [BACKGROUND]
>> IF YOU HAVE 4,000 SQUARE FEET ON A FIVE-ACRE PARCEL, THEN YOU GO TO BZA AND ASK.
>> YOU HAVE TO GO TO BZA NO MATTER WHAT.
>>THE OTHER THING IS, DO YOU WANT TO OFFER MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE, BECAUSE THE USES IN THE C1 DISTRICT, IF WE'RE KEEPING CONSISTENT WITH THAT, ARE CAPPED AT 3,000.
THE DOLLAR GENERAL FAMILY, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD ONE OF THEM THAT WANTED TO GO IN THE VC DISTRICT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S LARGER THAN 3,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY COULDN'T.
>> BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY TO COMPROMISE BY LIMITING A BUILDING SIZE TO 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
THEN POTENTIALLY HAVING MORE THAN ONE BUILDING.
NOW FOR LOTS THAT WERE OVER AN ACRE.
BUT THE BUILDINGS COULD NOT EXCEED 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY DO WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT YOU WOULD BE DOING MORE FOR A MINI STORAGE THAN YOU WOULD FOR ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND GENERAL SERVICE BUSINESS, WHICH IS CAPPED AT 3,000 IN A C1 DISTRICT.
>> YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING TO AMEND WHERE THE VC ZONE WITHIN THE RURAL DISTRICTS.
>> TO ADD THE USE TO ALLOW THIS VILLAGE CENTER
>> [OVERLAPPING] TO ADD TO THESE AREAS.
>> CURRENTLY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO MANY STORAGE IN THE VC DISTRICT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IF THIS PASSED, IT WOULD BE ALL OF THE VC DISTRICTS.
>> IF I HAVE RIGHT NOW, HYPOTHETICAL, I DO.
I HAVE FIVE ACRES OF CLEAR LOT.
>> IN THE VILLAGE CENTER DISTRICT.
THEN YOU COULD DO 1, 03,000 SQUARE FOOT MINI STORAGE FACILITY, OR YOU COULD DO THREE BUILDINGS OF 1,000 SQUARE FEET EACH.
>> [OVERLAPPING] COULD YOU DO THREE BUILDINGS OF 1,000 SQUARE FEET EACH?
>> YOU'D HAVE TO AMEND WHAT I'VE WRITTEN HERE.
>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW IS YOU COULD ASK THE BZA TO GO GREATER THAN 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
>> DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE VILLAGE ITSELF.
>> WHAT'S SURROUNDING THAT AREA?
>> THREE THOUSANDS FLOOR AREA.
AGAIN, YOU SAY FLOOR AREA BECAUSE I'M ASKING IF THEY APPROVE.
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IF I ASKED FOR A TWO-STORY, IS THAT 6,000 FLOOR?>> [OVERLAPPING] 3,000 FOOTPRINT?
>> THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL OF THE TWO FLOORS.
>> [BACKGROUND] SEEN HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT. THEY'RE GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER.
>> THE HIGHER WE GO, YOU'RE GETTING SMALLER.
>> WHEN WE MOVE INTO OUR ZONING CODE REWRITE, I CAN SEE DISCUSSION IS ARE WE STILL OKAY WITH LIMITING 3,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE C1 DISTRICT.
THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF MAYBE THAT'S TOO SMALL, WITH ADDITIONAL CONSTRAINTS THAT PROPERTIES HAVE NOW THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD WHEN THAT CAP WAS PLACED ON THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I THINK MATT CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING FOREST CONSERVATION, ADDRESSING STORM WATER AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ADDRESSED DECADES AGO WHEN WE HAD THAT CAP THAT NOW LIMIT YOUR ABILITY ON YOUR PARCEL.
>> BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO ENABLE AN EXPANDED OPPORTUNITY COMMERCIALLY, WE HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN THE SCALE OF THE RURAL VILLAGE.
THIS ISN'T LIKE A C1 STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL.
>> I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE CONTACT YOU ABOUT PUTTING THE DOLLAR GENERAL OR MARKET INSIDE, AND WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING NO BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED A 3,000 SQUARE FOOT OR YOU CAN BUILD IT, 03,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEY NEED 4,500.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU GO TO FIND C2.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVE TO FIND C2.
>> THAT'S NOT HOW YOU GROW THE CLIENTS. HOW DO YOU GROW THE COUNTY?
>> RIGHT NOW, THE VC DISTRICTS, ANY RETAIL THEY'RE STRUCTURED TO BE THE SAME AS THE C1 CONSTRAINTS.
ANY RETAIL STORE OR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WOULD HAVE THAT SAME 3,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTRICTION IN THE VC.
>> THE NEXT LEVEL UP FROM A HOME OCCUPATION.
A HOME OCCUPATION HAS A LIMITED NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, A CAP OF 1,200 SQUARE FEET ON YOUR AREA.
THE NEXT LEVEL UP WOULD BE COTTAGE INDUSTRY, WHERE YOU CAN DO THAT HOME-BASED COTTAGE INDUSTRY, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIVE ACRES, AND YOU CAN HAVE 3,000 SQUARE FEET, AND YOU CAN HAVE MORE EMPLOYEES.
BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THOSE SMALLER SCALE BUSINESSES DO FOLLOW THAT 3,000 SQUARE FOOT.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET DOLLAR GENERAL AT 3,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE MOST OF THE NAME BRANDS, THEY WANT LARGER FOR THEM THAT WOULDN'T WORK FOR THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS.
>> WE HAVE ALREADY ENCOUNTERED THAT IN ONE OF OUR VILLAGES THAT PROPOSE TO DO SO.
>> HOW DO WE GET THEM THERE? WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE TO GET THEM THERE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU NEED PUBLIC SEWER.
>> WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR C2 ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THOSE SIZE BUILDINGS ARE ALLOWED AND LOOK VERY CAREFULLY AT WHERE WE PUT IT.
>> BUT NOW YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE AT, AND THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WALK OVER AND GET A GALLON OF MILK RATHER THAN DRIVE FIVE MILES OR SIX MILES TO WALMART.
THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY CAN EXPAND THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL AGREED.
>> YOU'LL BE DEBATING THAT DURING THE REZONING PROCESS. EXACTLY THAT.
DO WE ALLOW IT ON FIVE-ACRE LOTS OR MORE THAT WE CAN HAVE A LARGER BUILDING? THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE RURAL VILLAGES WHO WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THAT DECISION.
THEN YOU GET TO INVITE THOSE PEOPLE IN TO SAY HOW THEY WOULD FEEL ABOUT IT.
THAT'S THE DISCUSSION YOU GUYS WILL HAVE WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH REZONING LOOKING AT EXACTLY THAT.
JUST BOTH THE C2, THE C1, AND THE VILLAGE CENTER, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITY, BUT YOU'RE NOT UNDOING SOMETHING THAT'S CAREFULLY THERE.
>> YOU DON'T WANT SOME MONSTROSITY PLUNKED IN THE MIDDLE OF NICE LITTLE BUNGALOW HOUSES OR THE COTTAGE INDUSTRY, MOM AND POP.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THREE STORES [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. BUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM WITH THIS PARCEL THAT CAME IN LOOKING TO DO THIS, THEY WERE TRYING WHAT CAN THEY DO WITH THAT PROPERTY?
>> [OVERLAPPING] BUT THIS IS NOT WHY WE DID THIS.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THEY CAN DO ON A SMALL SCALE IN THAT SETTING.
COINCIDENTALLY, THEY WOULDN'T PERK AT THAT SITE.
>> THAT WAS THE BIGGER PROBLEM BECAUSE WHAT CAN THEY DO THAT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE A BATHROOM?
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BUT STILL USE THAT PROPERTY AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT IN WITH THE VILLAGE AREA AND SOMETHING THAT WAS A NEED.I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION LAST MONTH THAT IT'S ALLOWED IN C1.
>> WHICH A LOT OF WHAT WAS PUT IN, AND I WASN'T HERE, SO I KNOW LESLIE AND CRYSTAL WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS LOOKED AT A LOT WHEN THEY DID THE VC.
>> THERE WAS VERY LITTLE C1 ZONING.
>> THERE'S 58 ACRES OF C1 ZONING IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY, AND THE TWO BLOCKS OF IT ARE LOCATED IN NOT IDEAL AREAS TO HAVE C1 ZONING.
ONE IS OVER ON THE CORNER OF OAKLAND AND GOLDSBORO ROAD.
>> BALTIMORE CORNER. THE OTHER IS OUT ON SAN TOWN ROAD, EAST OF GOLDSBORO ROAD.
>> THERE USED TO BE A LITTLE VILLAGE OUT THERE, AND THERE WAS A STORE THERE.
THESE TWO LITTLE CLUSTERS OF C1 TOTALING 58 ACRES TOTAL IS ALL WE'VE GOT.
THE VC ALLOWS A LOT OF USES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THE C1, SO THAT OPENS UP SOME MORE SPACE FOR THAT.
BUT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE REZONING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SERIES TALK ABOUT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN PUT ADDITIONAL C1 BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NEEDING IT.
THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THEY HAVE IS TO GO INTO TOWNS, WHERE IT'S ALSO LIMITED.
THAT WILL BE A LARGE PART OF THE REZONING WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT REZONING.
>>WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT.
>> TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGE TO VC CENTER.
>> TO ALLOW THIS SPECIFIC USE IN THE VC DISTRICT.
>> TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OR ANY CHANGES TO THEM.
>> NOT A COMMERCIAL, A MINI STORAGE USE.
>> THE SPECIFIC MINI STORAGE ONLY.
>> AS LONG AS YOU GET WATER AND SEWER, OR AS LONG AS YOU CAN PERK AND THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO PUT THE SEPTIC RESERVE AREA IN.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN ANYWAY.
>> DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BATH THERE?
>> YEAH, YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY WORKING THERE.
>> EVERYTHING YOU DO, YOU GOT TO HAVE A BATHROOM. I DON'T KNOW WHY.
>> [LAUGHTER]. THEN ONCE YOU GET A BATHROOM, THEN THEY PUT UP THE SIGN FOR A PUBLIC BATH.
>> [BACKGROUND] PUT YOUR TANK UP THERE.
>> NO, YOU WOULDN'T LIVE THERE.
YOUR REQUIREMENT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ENTERTAIN A TEXT AMENDMENT IS YOU NEED TO DISCUSS IT AT LEAST TWO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
THEN YOU WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO ALLOW IT IN THE VC WITH SPECIFIC CRITERIA AS WHAT'S PROPOSED OR CHANGED.
THEN THAT WOULD MOVE TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT TO A WORKSHOP AND THEN ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> DOES THE LAST MEETING COUNT AS ONE OR IS THIS NUMBER ONE?
>> WHEN HE GOT BROUGHT UP, WE CAME [INAUDIBLE].
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE HAD THE CITIZEN REQUEST THAT CAME TO THE MEETING AND MADE THE REQUEST, AND THEY DISCUSSED IT AND ASKED FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT THEY FELT MIGHT BE WARRANTED.
NOW WE'RE BACK WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST AND THIS IS THE SECOND.
NOT NOT SAYING THAT WE'LL KEEP THIS AS A SECOND AND I MEAN, WE CAN.
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN IF YOU WANT ABSOLUTELY.
CAME UP WITH SOME VERY GOOD THINGS BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES? IS THERE ANY CHANGES? ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO DO ANY DIFFERENT? I MEAN, WE KIND OF BEAT THIS 3,000.
I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HAD AROUND 3,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT I MEAN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A MINI STORAGE BUILDING.
MINI STORAGE BUILDING IS 25, 30.
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IT CAN BE ANYTHING, REALLY? I KNOW YOU CAN GET WHATEVER SIZE YOU WANT, BUT I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU HAVE A TEN BY TEN AND A TEN BY TEN BACK TO BACK, YOU GOT 20 TO 25 FOOT 23.SOME ARE TEN BY 30, SOME 20 BY 30.
SOME HAVE THE, INDOOR TWO STORY.
SIX THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE SIX OUT OF IT.
WELL, THIS DOESN'T SAY IT DOUBLES IN SIZE.
IT'S GROSS FLOOR AREA FOR THE BUILDING.
IF YOU GO I MEAN, YOUR LIMITATION IS YOUR LIMITATION.
IF YOU PUT A 3,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOT PRINT.
PUT A STORY ON TOP OF IT, YOU'VE GOT 6,000.
I THINK THAT'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHEN YOU WROTE THAT, WHAT YOU WERE THINKING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY HERE.
WELL, AND IT'S WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT TO PROPOSE.
BECAUSE ME, I MEAN, I THOUGHT AND THIS IS WHERE I LEAN TO YOU TELL ME.
IF I STACK SOMETHING ON TOP, I DIDN'T CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT.
I'M STILL ONLY COVERING 3,000 SQUARE FOOT OF DECK GROUND, NO MATTER HOW HIGH I GO UP.
WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION RIGHT MAT FOR GROSS FLOOR AREA.
ARE PEOPLE HAULING THEIR STUFF UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR FOR STORAGE.
DOWN AN ELEVATOR YOU DOES NOT GOING TO NEED.
THAT'S IN THE TOWN THE CLIMATE CONTROL.
THERE ARE TWO STORY STORAGE UNITS THAT ARE CLIMATE CONTROLLED AND SOME THAT ARE NOT CLIMATE CONTROLLED THAT DO NOT HAVE ELEVATORS.
ARE THEY SUCCESSFUL? BECAUSE THEY'RE HARD TO GET, THEY'RE HARD TO GET.
FUNNY STORE Y? I'M THINKING TWO STORE Y WE MAYBE JUST SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT TALKING ABOUT TWO STORY STUFF, BUT IT WOULD BE OUR LUCK THAT WE'D GO THROUGH ALL THIS AND IT IS LIKE THEY GO I WANT TWO STOREYS.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE BUILT IN FOR THE BZ ON CASE TO EXCEED THAT.
I HAVE TO SEE HOW IT FITS, BUT I THINK SOMEWHERE I KNOW BECAUSE IT WAS YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
I THINK SOMEWHERE THE PLANNING AND CODES HAD FINISHED SQUARE FOGS BECAUSE I MADE THAT ARGUMENT.
IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FINISHED SQUARE FOOT, SO MY QUESTION WAS, IF YOU WALK IN AND LOOK ALL THE WAY UP AND YOU CAN SEE THE PEAK IT'S NOT FINISHED.
IF IT'S WHAT? LESS THAN SEVENTEEN.
IN THE BUILDING CODE, YOU GET SOME EXCEPTIONS, I THINK IN THE KITCHEN AND ANOTHER AREA THAT YOU GET SOME LESSER HEADROOM REQUIREMENTS IN THE.
WE NEED SOME GOOD DEFINITIONS.
IT'S ON MY LIST WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ZONING CODE UPDATE, BUT GROSS FLOOR AREA PER FLOOR.
IF YOU SAY THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE FIRST FLOOR, IT MEANS THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THAT ONE FLOOR.
IF YOU SAY THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE BUILDING, IT MEANS THE SUM OF THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF ALL FLOORS.
PUTTING THE WORD FLOOR IN THERE CHANGES.
BUILDING OR FLOOR? WELL, WE HAVE SEVEN THINGS HERE.
THINK ABOUT WE DO ALLOW MINI STORAGE IN OUR C1 AND C2 ZONING DISTRICTS AND C1 THEY'RE MAXED AT 3,000 SQUARE FEET AT C2, THEY CAN BE LARGER.
DO YOU WANT TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE C1 USE IN THE VC AND CAP IT AT 3,000? THEN WE LATER DISCUSS WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING CODE REWRITE OF POSSIBLY INCREASE IN THE 3,000 SQUARE FOOT IN THE C1 AND WELL, ON BOTH.
WE WOULDN'T MAKE A TEXT AMENDMENT TO GIVE THEM GREATER USAGE ON A LESSER REGULATED.
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WE KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE ON BUT.I GUESS YOU COULD ALLOW IT JUST LIKE LIKE A COTTAGE INDUSTRY.
I KNOW IT'S A SPECIAL USE EXCEPTION WITH CENTER.
WHEN THEY'RE START BUYING BUSINESS WITH FAX OUT OF 3,000, I CAN GO AND GET SOMETHING BIGGER, SO I COULD BE RUNNING A FULL BUSINESS AND UP TO FIVE EMPLOYEES COMING IN OUT OF THERE AS OPPOSED TO THIS COMMERCIAL OPERATION JUST STORAGE AND STUFF.
I SAY WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE, IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
WHICH IS NOTHING. IT OPENS UP THE DOOR FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROPERTIES THAT OTHERWISE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ON.
BUT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT JUST ADDING MINI TO VILLAGE CENTER.
WITH SPECIAL EXCEPTION, PERMITTED USE IN THE VILLAGE CENTER.
I MEAN, WITH, A LOT OF THE STUFF IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE IF REQUIRED.
I MEAN, YOU GOT TO CERTAIN SCREENS.
YOU CAN MAKE IT FIT IN A COMMUNITY.
WHAT OLIVIA PUT TOGETHER WAS JUST BASED ON THE FEEDBACK SHE RECEIVED FROM ABOUT THINGS TO CONSIDER IN SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS WHEN IT CAME TO BUFFERING AND HEIGHT, AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
IF THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING.
WE'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT THAT.
WHAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER AND DRAFT A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION, FOR YOUR SIGNATURE AND PUT IT TOGETHER WITH THE OUTLINE OF THE REGS AND TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR WORKSHOP.
IF WE NEED TO MAKE THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, THEN WE'LL WORK ON PUT IT IN A IN A BILL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE OR YOUR VOTE WOULD BE TO PROCEED WITH A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WITH THE DRAFT TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE ALLOWING MINI STORAGE IN THE VC.
LAST WE JUST SAID, WE ACCEPT THERE'S A MOTION TO FORWARD A TEXT AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATION LETTER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY A RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AYE. ALL, OPPOSE SAME HERE AND DONE, IT PASSES.
IF YOU SAY, I GOT TO SIGN SOMETHING, IF YOU WOULD JUST IT.
WE'LL DRAFT A LETTER FOR YOU, AND GENEVA WILL GET IT TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK.
YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR NAME ON IT, BUT GENEVA WILL SIGN IT. PIECE OF CAKE.
YOU MY BANK CARD? THANK YOU ALL.
I MEAN, LESS YOU'D LIKE TO COME IN AND SIGN IT. WE CAN CERTAINLY.
NO. I'M JUST SAYING I CAN YOU CAN, IF I HAVE THAT, HAVE IT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO YOU TO COME IN AND SIGN? YOU CAN LET ME KNOW WHATEVER YOU GOT.
[Comprehensive Plan]
WE HAVE NOW, WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.THIS IS JUST A RIBBON ME, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT LAND USE CHAPTER.
BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CHAPTER THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE RED LINE AND CLEAN COPY VERSION OF.
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD KIND OF LEARNING MOMENT TO BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAND USE AND ZONING.
HOW IT LOOKS IN CAROLINE COUNTY BOTH THROUGH OUR ZONING DISTRICTS AND HOW THE STATE ASSESSES OUR LAND USE ON THE LAND.
AND NATHAN HAS DONE ALL OF THIS WORK,
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YOU ALL HAVE THIS MAP.WHICH IS A COMPARISON OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS AGAINST OUR LAND USE.
ZONING DISTRICTS ARE WHAT THE COUNTY DESIGNATES TO CONTROL AND MANAGE WHERE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS OR DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY.
LAND USE IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE LAND.
WE'VE DESIGNATED OUR ZONING DISTRICTS AND YOU'VE GOT THE ZONING MAP IS IN YOUR ACTUALLY, THIS LITTLE PACKET YOU GUYS ALL HAVE.
THERE'S A LITTLE ZONING MAP AND A LITTLE LAND USE MAP FOR QUICK REFERENCE.
WE'VE DESIGNATED OUR OWN ZONING DISTRICTS, AND THEY'RE LISTED THERE ON THE ZONING MAP.
THEN IF YOU FLIP TO THE BACK PAGE MAP, THAT'S OUR LAND USE MAP.
THIS IS THE LAND USE CHAPTER, SO IN A IN A BRIEF DESCRIPTION.
I WOULD SAY, OUR ZONING DISTRICTS.
WE'VE ESTABLISHED SAYING, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN OR NO DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN.
OUR LAND USE MAP SHOWS IF THAT IS IN FACT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, THE STATE OF MARYLAND DOES AN ASSESSMENT OF LAND USE STATEWIDE.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY SATELLITE IMAGERY.
THAT MAP IN THE BACK, THE LAND USE MAP.
SHOWS YOU ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT ARE CAPTURED.
THE SATELLITE IMAGE IS TAKEN, AND THEN THE STATE LOOKS AT IT AND DETERMINES THAT THIS LAND IS AGRICULTURE, THIS LAND IS RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS WATER, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND THEY DO IT BASED ON THE, THE SATELLITE IMAGE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
THEN THAT TRANSLATES INTO A GIS FILE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND WE DECIDED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW DOES WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND REFLECT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO ZONE CAN HAPPEN ON THE GROUND. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SAY THAT AGAIN.
WE'VE ESTABLISHED ZONING DISTRICTS.
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CAN HAPPEN HERE.
THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT IS KIND OF A CATCH ALL FOR AGRICULTURE AND VERY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE SAID THIS IS WHERE WE WANT THOSE USES TO HAPPEN.
THE LAND USE MAP SHOWS US WHERE THOSE USES ARE HAPPENING.
THE COMPARISON IS, ARE THEY HAPPENING IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS? WE WANT THEM TO HAPPEN IN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THAT COULD VARY BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE USES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE COUNTY ADOPTING ZONING.
YOU MAY HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN A RURAL DISTRICT THAT TODAY, WE WOULD NOT ALLOW, BUT SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME INCONSISTENCIES WITH LAND USE AND ZONING.
BUT THOSE OLD USES ARE BAKED IN.
WHEN ZONING STARTED, THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE GROUND, SO THE BUSINESS THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE WAS ALREADY ON THE GROUND WHEN WE STARTED ZONING.
WE THINK BACK IN 1965, A LOT OF ZONING WAS DONE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
WELL, THERE'S ALREADY A BUSINESS HERE, SO WHICH MAY EXPLAIN THE BALTIMORE CORNER C1.
THERE WAS A STORE LET'S JUST PUT A LITTLE BIT AROUND HERE.
SOME OF IT IS BAKED IN, NOT COMPATIBLE BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE GROUND AND AT THAT TIME, THEY ALSO MADE THE DECISION.
WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
THEY ZONED WHAT WOULD MAYBE HAVE BEEN COMMERCIAL IS R BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT IT TO CONTINUE TO BE A COMMERCIAL AREA.
WE ASKED NATHAN AND HE'S GOING TO WALK THROUGH HOW WE DID THIS BECAUSE IT WAS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED.
AND EVEN SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED BACK THEN, MAYBE BECAUSE, HEY, AT THIS INTERSECTION.
THERE WERE FOUR LITTLE STORES, AND HERE WE ARE DECADES LATER THEY'RE GONE.
OR A CANNERY AND NOW THEY GO HOME THERE.
INSTEAD OF THE OLD BUSINESS WENT AWAY, AND IT STILL ZONE COMMERCIAL.
WHEN WE DECIDED TO LOOK AND SEE HOW OUR ZONING STACKED UP AGAINST WHAT IS SHOWING UP AS LAND USE ON THE LAND, WE DECIDED TO DO THE WHOLE EXERCISE BASED ON ZONING.
LET'S LOOK AT EACH ZONING DISTRICT, AND BY WE I MEAN, NATHAN.
IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, WHAT LAND USE IS SHOWING UP.
WE STARTED WITH THE RURAL AND TOLD NATHAN IN THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS MAPPED.
WE WANT THESE ARE THE LAND USES THAT WE WOULD SAY ARE COMPATIBLE.
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MEANING WE ALLOW THOSE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.ANYTHING THAT'S GREEN IS COMPATIBLE, ANYTHING THAT'S RED IS NOT.
NATHAN WILL WALK YOU THROUGH EACH OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS AND TELL YOU WHAT WE CONSIDERED TO BE A ALLOWABLE LAND USE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
IS EVERYBODY WITH ME? I KNOW THIS IS IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED.
GOOD, SO TAKE IT AWAY NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO, WE STARTED WITH ZONING, IT'S ALREADY CONFUSING.
WE STARTED WITH THE ZONING, YOU HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS HERE.
WE BASICALLY COMPARE THEM WITH THE LAND USE.
WE USE THESE I GUESS YOU CALL THE SUBCATEGORIES.
RIGHT HERE, JUST TO BE ONE DESCRIPTIVE.
THIS WAS OUR END RESULT, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE GOT 99.61% OF ALL THE LAND IN THE COUNTY EXCEPT FOR WATER MATCH BASED ON OUR CRITERIA.
OF ZONING DISTRICT WE WERE STUNNED.
THE AREAS THAT WE COULD NOT SEE ANY COMPATIBLE REASON FOR THAT LAND USE TO BE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT ARE GOING TO BE THE FIRST PLACES WE GO LOOK AT DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE REZONING.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE.
THIS JUST BASICALLY BREAKS DOWN THAT CRITERIA.
ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
ON THE TOP IS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LAND USE SUBCATEGORIES, AND THEN ON TOP OF THEM IS THE MAJOR CATEGORIES.
IN EACH CELL, IT KIND OF JUST BREAKS IT DOWN.
IF THERE'S A LIE THERE, THAT MEANS YES, AS IN AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS ARE ALLOWED IN THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THESE ARE DONE IN ACRES, 865.32 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL.
LAND USE ARE WITHIN THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 0.45%.
>> FOR JUST THE AREA WE LOOKED AT, WHICH IS 190,802 ACRES.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALMOST THE ENTIRE TOWN.
JUST GOING OVER THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT INCLUDED HIGH BUILDINGS, CROP LAND, FEEDING OPERATIONS, [INAUDIBLE], HORTICULTURE, PASTURE GROWING AND GARDEN AND ACTUALLY INCLUDED, THAT'S ALL OF AGRICULTURE MAJOR LAND USE CATEGORY.
DID NOT INCLUDE COMMERCIAL, ALL OF THE FORESTRY CATEGORIES.
>> LET ME FLIP YOUR PAGE OVER FOR THE BACK.
>> JUST EXTRACTED FOR INDUSTRIAL, SO THAT'S LIKE OPEN PIT MINING, THE SAND PITS, AND INSTITUTIONAL SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, I WANT TO SAY GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS AS WELL.
WE KNOW ABOUT WATER FOR EVERYTHING JUST BECAUSE CAN'T REALLY BUY PARTIAL WATER, SO DECIDED THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
THEN WETLANDS, BARE GROUND, AND OPEN URBAN LAND.
WE HAVE THOSE IN ALL THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS.
JUST SEEM MORE APPLICABLE TO PUT THEM FOR ALL OF THEM.
THEN GOING BACK OVER, R1 AND R2, WE LUMP THEM TOGETHER AS RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL OF AGRICULTURE, NO COMMERCIAL, ALL OF THE FOREST LAND USES AND MEDIUM AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND AS WELL AS WETLANDS BACKGROUND.
>> I'M SORRY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE R1 AND R2 RESIDENTIAL ROW, ANYWHERE YOU SEE A Y MEANT IF THAT LAND USE WAS IN THE R1 ZONING DISTRICT, IT WAS GREEN FOR GOOD.
IF THERE'S NO LETTER, THEN IT WAS RED.
IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF THE SIMPLEST WAY TO SHOW THIS.
>> THEN THE BOXES THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT, BUT ALSO HAVE A VALUE, THAT MEANS THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED TOGETHER, BUT THERE WAS STILL A LAND USED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
JUST LOOKING AT FEEDING OPERATIONS IN THE VILLAGE CENTER ZONING DISTRICT.
THERE IS 0.01 ACRES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER THAT ARE FEEDING OPERATIONS.
THAT'S REALLY JUST LIKE WE SAID, LIKE A SATELLITE.
>> REMEMBER, THE LAND USE IS DETERMINED VIA THE SATELLITE IMAGE THE STATE TAKES.
THE STATE LOOKS AT THE IMAGE AND USING LIGHTER AND HEAT SENSING AND DENSITY OF THE GROUND, THEY ARE ABLE TO TURN THAT INTO THAT'S INDUSTRIAL, THAT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL VISUALLY.
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IT AIN'T ALWAYS RIGHT.>> WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE TODAY, THERE WAS SOME LONG, SKINNY BUILDINGS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LABELED AS A FEEDING OPERATION, BUT WE KNEW THEY WERE GREENHOUSES, NOT POULTRY HOUSES, AND YOU COULD SEE WHERE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT HIGH LEVEL, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE DENSER DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A HIGH DENSITY.
WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE PARCEL, THERE WAS A LOT OF BUILDINGS.
IT WASN'T ACCOUNTING FOR, THEY WERE JUST A BUNCH OF STORAGE SHEDS AND GARAGES, AND THERE WAS REALLY ONLY ONE HOUSE.
>> IN THE CLINIC CLUSTER, IT WASN'T ALL HOUSES, IT WAS OUT BUILDINGS.
>> THAT'S WHERE WE WENT IN, AND WE HAD TO GROUND TRUTH IT IN ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE WERE SEEING THAT WAS RED REALLY WAS RED.
THE SAME THING WITH SOME OF OUR R1.
WE'VE ZONED R1, BUT ALL OF R1 ISN'T BUILT YET.
YOU WOULD OTHERWISE KNOWN AS POTENTIALLY FUTURE RESIDENTIAL.
IT MAY LOOK LIKE IT'S AN INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE BECAUSE IT'S A FARM FIELD.
BUT WE DELIBERATELY ZONED IT R1 TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN RED IS REALLY GREEN.
>> BECAUSE WE DO ALLOW THE CROP LAND IN THAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
>> THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL, ZONING IS R. ACCORDING TO OUR CRITERIA, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
BUT YOU CAN SEE IT DOESN'T REALLY GO BY ANY DEFINITE BOUNDARY.
IT'S REALLY JUST UP TO WHAT THE SATELLITE [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S AN IMAGE THAT DOESN'T SEE PROPERTY LINES.
IT IS NOT 1,000 FOOT VIEW, IT'S A 20,000 FOOT VIEW.
BUT WE WERE TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON LAND USE.
THIS IS A LAND USE CHAPTER, AND THE MECHANISM THAT YOU USE TO CONTROL WHAT YOU WANT ON THE GROUND IS ZONING.
IT WAS A CURIOSITY THING LIKE, WELL, HOW ARE WE DOING? WE'VE MADE ALL THESE ZONING DISTRICTS, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS? IT WAS ENCOURAGING.
NOW, TO BE FAIR, THE THREE LARGEST LAND USES IN THE COUNTY ARE AGRICULTURE, FOREST, AND WETLANDS.
I KNOW WETLANDS AND FOREST AREN'T REALLY A USE, BUT IT IS CATEGORIZED AS A LAND USE IN THE STATE LAND USE DESCRIPTION.
I THINK AG IS 110,000 FOREST IS AROUND 60 SOMETHING PERCENT, AND WETLANDS ARE 30% OF THE COUNTY.
A LOT OF THE WETLANDS ARE ACTUALLY FORESTED WETLANDS, BY THE WAY.
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THE LAND USE [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT DOESN'T DISCERN FROM THAT.
JUST THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT MOSTLY TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAND USE AND ZONING, THAT WE CONTROL THE ZONING AND THE LAND USE IS A MEASURING STICK OF HOW WELL WE'RE CONTROLLING DEVELOPMENT.
IS IT HAPPENING WHERE WE WANT IT TO, AND IS IT NOT HAPPENING WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT TO? ALL THIS GOES OUT THE WINDOW WHEN SOLAR STARTS.
EVEN THAT THOUGH, BECAUSE IT IS MANDATED TO BE ALLOWED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, IT WILL TECHNICALLY BE CORRECT, BUT WE WANT TO TRACK IT NONETHELESS AND MAYBE HAVE OUR OWN INTERNAL RED AND GREEN FOR ZONING.
>> ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ON THIS LITTLE SPREADSHEET HERE IS THIS RED AND GREEN COLUMN.
THAT REALLY BREAKS DOWN THAT COMPARISON MAP THAT I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE.
IT REALLY IS JUST SHOWING YOU R ZONING AND LIKE WHAT I GUESS AGREES AND WHAT DOESN'T AGREE.
REALLY BREAKS IT DOWN TO A QUANTITATIVE LEVEL.
THEN AT THE VERY END YOU HAD YOUR TOTAL.
THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT 99 AND 61% AND THAT 0.39%.
>> WHERE DO THE POULTRY HOUSES FALL? IS IT AG BUILDINGS OR FEEDING OPERATIONS?
SOME OF IT MAY HAVE SLIPPED INTO AG BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE COULDN'T COMB ALL 206,000 ACRES, BUT WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
>> NATHAN'S EARLIER MAP HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE RED, AND WE LOOKED AT IT AGAIN THIS MORNING, SOME INDIVIDUAL ONES THAT WE KNEW, WHY ARE THEY RED, AND SOME OF THAT, YOU COULD CLEARLY SEE WE KNEW WHAT OPERATION WAS THERE AND THAT IT WAS PERMITTED.
IT WAS JUST CLASSIFIED LAND USE DIFFERENTLY.
>> WE WANTED TO NARROW IT DOWN BECAUSE WHEN WE START THE COMPREHENSIVE REZONING, THE FIRST THINGS WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS WHAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WHERE IT IS.
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THAT'S THE RED. THOSE ARE THE RED SPOTS.THAT HELPS FOCUS AT LEAST THE EARLIER PART OF THE REZONING WHEN WE GET TO IT.
IT ALSO IS WHAT MADE US REALIZE THAT THE LITTLE C1 LAND WE HAVE, THE 58 ACRES ARE IN NOT THE GREATEST PLACES TO HAVE C1 LAND.
DOING THAT ASSESSMENT IS VALUABLE AND WE'LL DO MORE OF THIS WHEN WE GET INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE REZONING.
BUT WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO RUN BY YOU.
ALSO TO PUT THE LAND USE CHAPTER IN SOME CONTEXT, HOW IT RELATES TO ZONING.
YOU TAKE A LOOK AND IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, YOU CAN LET NATHAN KNOW OR ME OR CRYSTAL OR OLIVIA AS YOU DIGEST THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN LIKELY IN DECEMBER.
>> WOULD EITHER TWO BE BIG? I WOULD THINK.
LAND USE AND ZONING ARE GOING TO BE TWO OF OUR BIG.
THE ZONING CODE AND THE LAND USE CHAPTER OF THE COMP PLAN ARE THE HEART OF COUNTY PLANNING AND LAND USE PLANNING.
NOW IT'S SUCH A CRAZY TIME BECAUSE OF THE PREEMPTION FOR SOLAR, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER PREEMPTIONS COME IN FOR OTHER THINGS? IT'S PRECARIOUS.
>> I GUESS JUST IN HOUSE, CAN SOLAR HAVE ITS OWN LITTLE COLOR?
>> WHEN YOU PRINT THIS OFF AND YOU CAN GIVE IT TO ANYBODY IN, WE DID OUR PART, LOOK.
>> THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. I WANT TO HAVE IT STAND OUT AS HOW WE MANAGED TO KEEP OUR ZONING AND WHAT WE'RE CONTROLLING IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE GROUND.
I WANT TO SEE WHERE IT DIVERGES WHEN SOLAR STARTS.
NATHAN IS CREATING A LIVE ONLINE MAP AND WE'LL PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH A LINK SO THAT YOU CAN GO ON AND LOOK AT, I KNOW YOU WANT TO RIGHT NOW, [LAUGHTER] BUT YOU CAN GO INTO THE MAP AND ZOOM IN AND LOOK AT LAND USE AND ZONING AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF ZONING IS AND HOW IT'S CONTROLLING WHAT IS HAPPENING WHERE.
>> WELL, IT APPEARS THAT SO FAR WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT.
>> WE LOOKED LONG AND HARD TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T MISSING ANYTHING AND WE KNEW WE WEREN'T WILDLY WRONG.
BUT WE WERE BETTER THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE.
>> LESS THAN A HALF A PERCENT THAT'S NOT COMPACT.
>> A LOT OF THAT ERROR IN THIS IS OUR IMAGING ISSUES [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING WE DID.
>> WHERE THE SATELLITE INTERPRETED IT WRONG.
IT'S ACTUALLY VERY IMPRESSIVE.
WELL, IT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT AND NATHAN HAS BROUGHT THIS UP REPEATEDLY.
THE FLAWS IN THE LAND USE DATA, IT'S ONLY AS ACCURATE AS THE SATELLITE SEES IT, AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN REALLY CHECK IT IS TO DO WHAT WE DID, WHICH IS COME OVER AND ZOOMED IN.
IF YOU'RE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY BETHESDA, WOULD YOU REALLY WANT TO GO DOWN WISCONSIN AVENUE AND TRY AND GROUND TRUTH, ALL THAT? WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT TOO HARD TO GO ZOOMING INTO WHERE OUR DEVELOPMENT IS AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON IT.
WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS IT? IS IT WHAT WE INTENDED? CRYSTAL HAD TO KEEP REMINDING ME THAT AG IS ALLOWED IN EVERY ZONING DISTRICT.
[LAUGHTER] SOME FORM OF AG IS ALLOWED IN EVERY ZONING DISTRICT.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER. IF I OWN 200 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY, I CAN PLANT CORN.
THAT INDUSTRIAL ZONE DISTRICT WITH CORN IN IT WOULD BE GREEN ON OUR COMPARISON MAP BECAUSE CORN IS ALLOWED IN THE I2.
AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT MONTGOMERY COUNTY, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS HIGH DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY, AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF THOSE, BUT THEIR ABILITY TO ASSESS AT THE LEVEL WE DID, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.
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THAT MIGHT BE AN AI THING.>> ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT CAROLINE COUNTY HAS GOING FOR IT FOR A LOT OF REASONS IS CRYSTAL.
[LAUGHTER] SERIOUSLY. NO, WAIT.
EVERYTHING THAT WE LOOKED AT, SHE WOULD LOOK AT IT ON THE MAP AND GO, I KNOW.
THAT WAS SUCH AND SUCH, AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS SUCH AND SUCH, AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS SUCH AND SUCH.
[LAUGHTER] YOU LAUGH, BUT THAT HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE.
>> BECAUSE THIS SATELLITE IMAGERY IS A COUPLE YEARS OLD.
SHE KNEW THAT THING READ IT AS COMMERCIAL SOMETHING BECAUSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A BUILDING THERE THAT WAS.
>> IT'S JUST NOT THERE NOW SO IT COMES UP RED TODAY, LOOKING AT OUR ZONING TODAY, AND SHE WAS ABLE TO GROUND TRUTH A LOT OF IT.
>> WE HAVE TO GET THEM ALL CORRECT THIS ROUND BECAUSE SHE WILL NOT BE HERE IN 10 YEARS.
SHE'LL BE RETIRED, I'M SURE, AND WE'LL NOT BE HERE TO GO, WELL, YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG, YOU'VE GOT THIS WRONG.
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? TEN MINUTES? WE WERE LIKE, COULD YOU JUST DO THIS SMALL MAPPING EXERCISE? [LAUGHTER] HE DID A FANTASTIC JOB WITH LOTS OF PATIENTS IN SPITE OF THE SCREAMING AND THE HAIR PULLING. [LAUGHTER] A LOT OF HAIR PULLING.
>> WELL, I KNOW. THIS MAYBE NOT THE COMMENT, THIS IS FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION. IT'S NICE.
YOU SEE THESE MAPS, AND YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF LAND.
IF WE GET INTO TALKING ABOUT C1, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
>> STILL BE THE GREEN GARDEN COUNTY.
>> WE HAD THE SAME THOUGHT, THAT WE CAN EXPAND SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPAND SOME RESIDENTIAL, YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPAND SOME INDUSTRIAL.
WE HAVE THE THRESHOLDS THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT.
BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO REMEMBER NOW GOING FORWARD THAT SOLAR IS COMING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY DELIBERATE WHEN WE START LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ZONE UP IN USE TO REMEMBER THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE CHASING US TOO.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T DO IT, BUT THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO BE EVEN MORE CAREFUL AND PRECISE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING. [LAUGHTER]
IT'S ONE MORE THING THAT WE CAN GIVE OUR AGRICULTURE LAND OWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING NEW.
>> WELL, AND IF SOME OF THE AG SUPPORT INDUSTRIES START STRUGGLING BECAUSE AG LAND IS DISAPPEARING, IT WOULD BE NICE TO GIVE THEM SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR A COMMERCIAL ALTERNATIVE, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE ZONING AVAILABLE POTENTIALLY TO ADDRESS THAT.
>> LET THE FARMER SELL THE BATTERIES.
>> BACK TO THE LAND USE CHAPTER, NOW THAT EVERYBODY'S SMARTER.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT? IT WAS REALLY TRICKY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEPICT IT.
WE WENT WITH GREEN AND RED BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS A UNIVERSAL YES OR NO, GOOD OR BAD.
[LAUGHTER] YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE THE MAP BETTER OR THE DATA BETTER, GIVE US A CALL OR SHOOT US A NOTE.
>> ANYTHING THAT MAKES IT SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> VERSUS A BUNCH OF NUMBERS LISTED ON A PAGE.
>> WE JUST WANTED TO BE READY IN CASE ONE OF YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF AG BUILDINGS WAS INCORRECTLY ZONED. [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S EVER MY QUESTION COMING IN ON YOU.
>> WILL THIS BE INCLUDED IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN?
>> WE'RE DEBATING THAT, AND THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU.
DOES IT CONFUSE THINGS? WE WERE JUST TRYING TO DO IT TO CLEARLY SAY, THIS IS THE LAND USE CHAPTER.
THE LAND USE CHAPTER TALKS ABOUT WHAT LAND USES WE HAVE, WHERE WE SEE SHORTAGES OR WHERE WE THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE THAT
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COMMERCIAL LAND USES ARE WELL REPRESENTED IN THE COUNTY.ALL OF THAT IS DETERMINED BY ZONING.
ZONING IN THEORY, SHOULD CONTROL IT.
IT'S VALUABLE TO HAVE IT IN THE CHAPTER.
BUT IF YOU ALL HAD SEEN THIS MAP AND WE HADN'T JUST TALKED FOR HOWEVER LONG WE JUST TALKED, WOULD IT HAVE MADE ANY SENSE TO YOU?
>> WHICH MAKES ME TEND TO NOT PUT IT IN THE CHAPTER.
>> I THINK THIS IS INFORMATION YOU CAN REFERENCE IN THE CHAPTER.
IF YOU GET THEM REALLY SMART PEOPLE TO GO, WOULD BE JUST STRONG. [OVERLAPPING]
THE TECHNICAL APPENDIX WILL HAVE THIS.
WE DO HAVE A TECHNICAL APPENDIX BECAUSE OF THE WATER RESOURCES ELEMENT, SO I WOULD PUT [OVERLAPPING] THIS IN A TECHNICAL APPENDIX.
THE NOTE THAT YOU WRITE, JEFF, IN THE NARRATIVE, I CAN ADD A SHORT SECTION ABOUT HOW WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB MANAGING LAND USES COMPATIBLY VIA OUR ZONING BEFORE THE STATE SLAPPED US WITH A MANDATE.
>> WE'RE STILL BELOW 2,000 ACRE OF SOLAR?
>> ANYTHING IN THE PIPELINE THAT'S LANDED? NO.
>> IN OUR ACREAGE FOR THE COUNTY, YOU GOT TOTAL OF THESE CATEGORY, YOU GOT 190.
>> THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY MUNICIPAL OR WATER.
>> I KNOW WE HAVE SOME SOLAR, THE ONES IN FEDERALSBURG.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE HAVE WITHIN A MUNICIPAL LIMIT.
>> NOW, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED IN GREENSBORO.
>> THEN THEY LOSE THAT CORE THING NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN.
>> IT WAS VERY SMALL, THE PIECE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING A DEAL.
>> AT 1,600 ACRES, I GUESS WHEN YOU STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, IT'S 1,600 ACRES.
IT STILL JUST TAKES A SMALL PART.
GREENSBORO, THE TEMPERATURE IS GOING TO JUST RISE UP THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CHANGE AT THE MOMENT, BECAUSE ALL THE PANELS THEY GOT UP THERE.
DIDN'T SOMEBODY ELSE PROPOSE ANOTHER ONE? NO?
>> THE GREENSBORO? LITTLE. VERY LITTLE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU'RE ONE THERE WITH GREENSBORO, GOLDSBORO IS THE CHERRYWOOD PROJECT.
THEN FURTHER NORTH IS TECHNICALLY THE PHASE 2 OF THAT PROJECT.
KEEP GOING, NATHAN. UP THERE IN BLUE.
>> THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.
>> NO. THEY HAVEN'T BUILT IT YET.
>> WHICH ONE IS IT? THAT ONE WHERE THERE'S SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT CAME TOGETHER AND WANTED TO USE THEIR PROPERTY AS SOLAR.
THIS IS BACK WHEN I FIRST STARTED.
BECAUSE WE WERE ALL, LIKE, IN NORTH END OF THE COUNTY IT WAS LIKE.
>> THAT'S A GOOD DEAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD LAND.
>> THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING UP, I THINK THAT'S IT.
>> IT'S AROUND WHAT? FIVE HUNDRED ACRES, 400 ACRES?
>> LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LOT BIGGER THAN THE OTHER ONE.
>> THEY'LL PROBABLY BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AS CHERRYWOOD'S CLOSING OUT.
>> THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT IF THEY'RE THROWING THEM UP, BUT THEY'RE ABOUT DONE WITH THE SOLAR.
>> THEY'RE LOOKING TO BE OPERATIONAL [OVERLAPPING] BY EARLY FALL NEXT YEAR.
>> ARE WE BOTHERED THE OTHER DAY AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT WERE PARKED, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE WORKERS OR WHAT?
>> THEY'RE STARTED ON THE THE SUBSTATION?
>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. I'VE BEEN ON SANDTOWN ROOM LATELY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> JACKSON LANES, THEY'RE STILL PUTTING A FEW MORE PANELS.
>> THEY'VE STARTED PANEL THERE?
>> THERE'S JUST A FEW POSTS STILL OUT THERE THAT THEY HAVE ATTACHED PANELS TOO BUT MOST OF THOSE ARE UP. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] STARTING TO DRIVE THE POST.
>> HOW MANY ACRES IS CHERRYWOOD?
>> THEN THEY HAVE THE LITTLE SMALL ONE OVER BY RIDGELY, WAS THAT THAN 20?
>> [LAUGHTER] THAT'S ABOUT 15 ACRES COMMUNITY, SO WERE THEY.
>> THAT'S 15 ACRES THAT THEY HAD SUCH A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO.
>> WELL, IN THE CALVERTON IN THE R1 DISTRICT, OUTSIDE OF FEDERALSBURG, THE JUDGE RULED IN FAVOR OF CALVERTON, SO WE LOST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF YOU GO THE BLUE RIGHT THERE, GO BACK NATHAN TO DENTON HOBBS.
THE BLUE, THAT'S A MORE RECENT ONE THAT THEY'VE JUST APPLIED FOR CPCN OR IN THE PROCESS FOR THAT.
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THAT'S OUT BY HOBBS.>> NO. IT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, ISN'T IT?
>> THAT'S THE HORSE FARM ACROSS.
>> IS THAT NOT WILLOUGHBY ROAD?
>> CAN YOU DO THE ROAD NAME LAYER OR SHOW THE ROAD NAMES PLEASE?
>> WHAT'S THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE?
>> THAT'S THE DIRT ROAD, RIGHT? I DIDN'T KNOW THE HORSE THERE.
THEY'RE IN BOTH SIDES TO THE OTHER SIDE SIDE.
>> IS IT THE ONE ACROSS THE HOBBS?
>> THE ONE ON THE BEND. IS THAT THE HORSE FARM?
>> THE THE LEFT OF THE BLUE LINE, I THINK THAT'S [INAUDIBLE]
>> HOW MANY ACRES OF THAT? FORTY-SOME?
>> THEN NATHAN, IF YOU ZOOM BACK OUT, WHERE WE GO SOUTH AND WE GOT PRESTON.
RIGHT THERE ADJACENT TO THE TOWN.
>> THAT'S THE COMMUNITY SOLO THAT JUST WENT.
>> THAT ONE, AND THEN THERE'S ONE MORE OVER TO PRESTON.
IF WE GET OVER TO FEDERALSBURG, YOU'LL SEE TWO BLUE.
>> THAT ONE'S THE ONE THAT [BACKGROUND] WE FOUGHT AGAINST THAT WAS IN THE R1.
>> THEY'RE LETTING THAT. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
>> YEAH. R1. IT'S IN EXISTING WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREA, SO HE COULD HAVE CONNECTED.
>> COULD HAVE MADE MORE ON THAT.
>> BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE THE RODS TOWN LIMITS.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] RODS TOWN LIMITS BECAUSE THAT'S HOLLAND DRIVE DOWN BELOW THE POINTER.
>> THAT'S IDLE WILE AND OLD DENTON.
IT'S IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO WORLDS.
>> THAT'S A CUT OFF ROAD. THE LAUREL GROVE ROAD.
>> YOU'VE GOT IDLE WILE, OLD DENTON, AND LAUREL GROVE.
IT'S SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
THEN DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FEDERALSBURG IS THAT ONE, IS THAT 20 ACRES MATT, PROBABLY?
>> YES. THAT'S OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
>> THEN YOU GOT ONE MORE RIGHT DOWN AT THE DELAWARE LINE.
>> IT'S LIKE DEATH BY 1,000 CUTS, THE COMMUNITY ONES.
WE'LL KEEP MAPPING THEM AND TRACKING AND WE'LL BE TOTALING ACREAGE THAT THEY'RE TAKING OUT OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, OR INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
BECAUSE AS THAT GOES AWAY, AND WE WON'T KNOW IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE WE GET FIVE YEARS NOTICE AND CAN REZONE.
WE'LL KNOW WHEN THEY CALL AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO PUT IT.
AFTER LOSING THE CALVERTON AND FEDERALSBURG CASE, WE KNOW NOW, BECAUSE THAT WAS A STRONG VALID ARGUMENT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GOING TO WIN.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVEN ARGUE.
IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. WE HAVE TO START TRACKING.
WE'VE LOST 40 ACRES OF R1 WITH THE CALVERTON.
>> WHAT WAS THEIR ARGUMENT? WHY DID THEY RULE AGAINST?
>> BECAUSE IT'S A STATE PRIORITY AND WE DIDN'T PRESENT STRONG ENOUGH.
[OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE 798 ACRES OF R1 ZONING IN PROXIMITY TO A TOWN, SO IT'S GROWTH AREA AND ANNEXABLE.
IN AN EXISTING WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREA, WHICH IS A RARITY THAT THE TOWN HAS DESIGNATED IT TO GET WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AND SURROUNDED IN A RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY AREA.
WHO DIDN'T SELL THE OWNER ON HIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE HIM MORE MONEY THAN SOLAR?
>> I THINK SOLAR WALKED UP AND KNOCKED ON HIS DOOR.
>> AND PROBABLY FED AND LOTS OF COMMISSION.
>> HE DID NOT HAVE TO GO MARKET HIS PROPERTY, WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO EFFORT ON HIS POINT ON HIS PART.
HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
>> TOTALLY UNDERSTAND I DON'T HAVE TO ARGUE WITH THE TOWN TO GET WATER AND [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T HAVE TO DIVIDE UP LAND AND ARGUE WITH THE COUNTY.
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>> WAIT FOR 10 YEARS TO COLLECT SOME MONEY, YOU'RE GOING TO COLLECT THE PENDING MONTHS.
>> HE MAY NOT HAVE REALIZED WHAT HE WAS SITTING ON.
BUT BY THE TIME WE WERE DONE ARGUING THAT HE KNEW.
IT'S NOT LIKE FIVE YEARS DOWN ROAD AND GO, I THINK I'LL DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> I KNOW, 20 OR 30. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE'VE LOST 40 ACRES OF R1 ZONING, SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO IN THE REZONING.
NOT THAT THE NEW R1 ZONING IS PROTECTED EITHER.
THAT'S THE OTHER REALITY IS WE MAY GO LOOK AT WHERE DO WE WANT TO PUT MORE C1, C2, R1, AND THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT A SOLAR DEVELOPER FROM COMING IN AND WANTING THAT LAND AND DEVELOPING IT, AND THEN WE'VE LOST THAT ZONING DISTRICT ACREAGE.
[OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KEEP UP WITH.
>> BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY LET THAT DRIVE US.
I THINK WE JUST LOOK AT OUR MAPS AND SAY, WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY.
>> THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS TELL THE OWNER WHEN THEY WANT TO GET THEIR CHECK, YOU GO.
WE'VE DONE THIS. YOU CAN DO THIS.
>> WE MAY WANT TO SELL ANY REZONING WE DO THAT'S COMMERCIAL, POTENTIALLY VALUABLE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY DURING THE REZONING, THAT WE REALLY MAKE SURE THE LAND OWNER IS AWARE THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE ABLE TO NOW HAVE A CHOICE IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR GETTING A RETURN ON YOUR LAND, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO SOLAR.
DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO PICK IT, BUT AT LEAST THEY'LL KNOW.
>> NO. THE QUESTION IS IF DURING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE ZONING PART OF IT, AFTER IT'S DONE AND WE START REZONING STUFF, IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE THE TAX RATE?
>> ONLY WHEN THEY ACTUALLY PUT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL LAND THEY'VE BEEN OWNING.
>> BECAUSE IF I'M NOW THE FARMER AND YOU'VE DONE.
>> SEE ONE OUT ON MY ROAD FRONTING TAX.
>> AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO FARM IT, THEN YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE ASSESSED IN AND THAT'S BASED ON THE USE.
YOU DON'T TRIGGER A TAX INCREASE BY CHANGING OR ZONING.
UNTIL YOU DECIDE TO ACT ON IT.
>> WHEN WE WENT OVER THIS LAST MONTH TO TALK ABOUT THE GOALS, AND YOU ALL GAVE US FEEDBACK, WHICH WE PUT IN HERE, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE OTHER CHAPTERS, WHICH IS GET YOUR INPUT ON THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AT THE BEGINNING, AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES AT THE END.
IF YOU'VE READ THROUGH ALL OF THIS DATA AND YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK.
IF YOU HAVEN'T ABSORBED AT ALL, YOU CAN ASK CALL ME OR E MAIL ME.
BUT GENERALLY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THAT THESE GOALS IN THE BEGINNING ARE WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO SEE AND THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES, WHICH ADDRESS THOSE GOALS ARE SUFFICIENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE IN HERE? PROTECTING LAND USES IN ZONING DISTRICTS FROM STATE MANDATES THAT PREEMPT LOCAL REGULATIONS AND DO NOT SUPPORT COUNTY LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT GOALS, GUESS WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT. [LAUGHTER]
IT FEELS FUTILE TO SAY IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SAY IT.
PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND REGULATORY MECHANISMS THAT PROTECT AG LAND USE WHILE ENSURING ORDERLY AND SUSTAINABLE FUTURE GROWTH.
THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THIS COMP PLAN WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OUR POLICIES AND OUR GOALS, THAT THEY'RE CLEARLY OUTLINED WHAT OUR INTENT IS FOR THE COUNTY LAND, AND THAT WE FOLLOW THAT UP WITH ZONING REGS TO SUPPORT WHAT THOSE GOALS ARE.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT BULLET.
THE THIRD BULLET IS PROTECTING THE OUR RURAL ZONING DISTRICT FROM ENCROACHMENT BY SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.
FOLLOWED BY, I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST SINGLE OUT PROTECTING OUR AG FROM SOLAR.
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS FROM SOLAR AS WELL BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW NO MATTER HOW HARD WE FIGHT IT CAN GO INTO THOSE TOO.
THE CONSERVING THE NATURAL HISTORICAL, CULTURAL, ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES.
AGAIN, SOLAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU ALL HAD REQUESTED THAT WE
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ADD ALSO TO PROTECT THEM FROM SURFACE MINING IMPACTS, SO THAT'S BEEN ADDED.THEN WORKING WITH THE TOWNS TO COORDINATE PLANNING AND GROWTH AND LAND PRESERVATION AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF WHERE GROWTH AREAS ARE BEING DELINEATED, WHERE WE'RE WANTING TO ZONE AND ADD TO DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINTS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT WHERE WE'RE OUTSIDE OF TOWNS THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN SYNC WITH WHAT THEY PLAN FOR THOSE AREAS AROUND THE TOWN.
THEN IF YOU LOOK AT IMPLEMENTATION AT THE END, WHICH SHOULD ADDRESS THOSE GOALS.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EDITS FOR THE GOALS?
>> USE THE WORD NON-AGRICULTURE PROTECT THE R FROM NON AGRICULTURE.
>> BOTH OF THEM. THE BILLY CENTER THE ENCROACHMENT OF NON.
>> I MEAN, YOU USE THAT WORD AND THEN YOU SAY, WE DON'T WANT SOLAR THERE, BUT WHEN YOU USE NON THAT'S ANYTHING. ISN'T IT?
>> YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WOULD YOU RATHER ME?
>> I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHT WAS WHEN YOU WHEN WE WROTE THAT DOWN WHEN YOU SAY [OVERLAPPING].
I'LL SWITCH OUT SOLAR DEVELOPMENT AND SAY NON AGRICULTURAL USES.
>> I WAS READING IT, DIDN'T YOU ALREADY HAVE.
IT ALREADY SAID IN NON AGRICULTURE.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE THIRD BULLET, AND IT SAYS SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT DON'T HAVE AUDIOME LINES IN IT.
ARE YOU IN GOALS OR IMPLEMENTATION?
ON PAGE 1 OF CHAPTER 1, LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT AND IT SAYS PROTECT LAND USES IN ZONING DISTRICTS FROM STATE MANDATES THAT PREEMPT LOCAL GOVERNING AND PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REGULATORY MECHANISMS THAT PROTECT AGRICULTURAL LAND USE WHILE ENSURING ORDERS AND PROTECT THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT FROM ENCROACHMENT BY NON AGRICULTURAL LAND USES THAT THREATEN THE COUNTY AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
>> THAT'S WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE.
>> I'VE GOT I STILL HAVE SOLAR DEVELOPER.
>> THEN I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE [BACKGROUND].
>> ARE YOU LOOKING AT WORKSHOP OR MEETING?
>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WELL, GOOD.
I'M GLAD WE SWITCHED IT TO NON AGRICULTURAL USES BECAUSE I LIKE IT BETTER.
>> I AM IN WORKSHOP. [LAUGHTER].
>> WELL, I ACTUALLY IN THE MEETING. [LAUGHTER]
>> GOING TO BE A THANKSGIVING IN TWO WEEKS.
>> BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY FOUGHT SOLAR WHEN WE GET WIND SO WE CAN'T.
>> NO, I AGREE IT'S NON AGRICULTURAL LAND USES, IT'S BETTER THAN SOLAR. YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHEN WE'RE PRESERVING AG LAND IS TO KEEP IT FROM BEING ENCROACHED ON BY NON AG ICES. ANYTHING.
>> UNLESS THEY WANT YEAH, I THINK FINDS THE WORKSHOP NOTES HERE. [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER]
>> I DON'T THINK I SAVED IT TO MY DESKTOP YET, SO I HAD SAVED A WORKSHOP TO IT, SO I'M USING THE AGENDA AND CLICKING ON IT.
PAGE 1 SAYS, I WAS READING ALONG WITH IT SAYS NON AGRICULTURAL.
BOTH OF THEM SAY NON AGRICULTURAL LAND USE.
PRESERVE A RESIDENTIAL AND VILLAGE ZONING DISTRICTS FROM EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTIAL I THOUGHT IT WAS HERE TWICE.
>> DID YOU SEE THE FIFTH BULLET HAS A SOLAR DEVELOPMENT?
>> YEAH. WELL, IN THAT ONE WE SPECIFICALLY SAID SOLAR DEVELOPMENT AND SURFACE MINING IMPACTS.
I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT [OVERLAPPING] CALLING OUT SOLAR WHATEVER WHEREVER.
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>> IF THOSE ARE OKAY AS IS, WE'LL GO BACK TO IMPLEMENTATION ON PAGE 14, THE LAST PAGE.
ALL OF THESE SUPPORT ALL OF THE GOALS ON THE FIRST PAGE, THEY'RE INTERMINGLED THROUGHOUT.
THE LEGISLATIVE EFFORT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS ESSENTIALLY WORKING WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND MUNICIPALITIES, AS WELL AS MACO TO TRY AND KEEP LEGISLATION SOMEWHAT CONTROLLED.
NOT THAT IT'S WORKING. ALTHOUGH THEY'RE COOKING UP SOME NEW LEGISLATION IN THIS UPCOMING SESSION FOR THE PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA, LIMITING SOLAR THERE.
I'M SURE THAT WE'LL GET BETTER AT OUR ARGUMENTS OVER TIME. WE CAN ONLY GET BETTER.
>> I STILL SAY YOU DON'T GIVE UP ON THE FIGHT.
>> WITHIN REASON, BUT THE CHAERTON LOSS WAS JUST SO WE SPENT SO MUCH WE HAD SUCH A STRONG ARGUMENT AND SUCH A CLEAR ARGUMENT THAT WAS BACKED UP BY OUR OWN POLICY AND PLANNING AND REGULATORY.
WE HAD EVIDENCE. WHEN RESIDENTS FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA, WE HAD SUCH A COMPELLING ARGUMENT.
FOR A WHILE THERE, BASED ON THE JUDGE'S REACTIONS TO OUR TESTIMONY AND THE QUESTIONS SHE WAS ASKING AND THE INFO.
SHE ASKED FOR A LOT OF EXTRA INFO.
WE THOUGHT, HEY, REALLY SHE REALLY IS UNDERSTANDING HOW WHAT THIS IS GOING TO MEAN.
TO BE TO LOSE, IT WAS JUST LIKE, IF WE COULDN'T WIN THAT FIGHT, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANY FIGHT WE COULD WIN.
>> AND UP IN KENT COUNTY, POOR BETTERTON IS GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME? THEY WERE FOLLOWING OUR CASE FOR POSSIBLE GUIDANCE.
>> WE'LL CONTINUE THAT AND THAT WE'LL BE PROTECTING ALL LAND USES IN ZONING DISTRICTS AS BEST AS WE CAN.
FOR US, THE EMPHASIS, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN THINKING THAT THE EMPHASIS IS AG BECAUSE AG IS SO MUCH THE BASIS OF OUR ECONOMY THAT THAT'S THE RED HOT PRIORITY.
BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW WE'VE LOST 40 ACRES OF R1 ZONING IS BEGINNING TO DAUNT ON ME THAT IF THEY START CHOPPING AWAY AT OUR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS.
THOSE LOCATIONS WERE VERY SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN BASED ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MADE THEM GOOD LOCATIONS FOR IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN GO FIND ANOTHER LIKE THAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK TO TRY AND FIND WE WON'T FIND ANYTHING COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE LOST WITH CHAERTON, THAT R1 OUTSIDE OF FEDERALSBURG.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WILL BE THAT GOOD.
BUT I BEGIN TO SEE THAT IT ISN'T JUST THE FIGHT FOR AG, IT'S THE FIGHT FOR ALL OF THOSE USES, AND ALL THOSE USES HAVE WAY LESS LAND THAN EVEN AG DOES.
IT'S CRITICAL. WE DO NEED TO KEEP UP THE FIGHT AND IT ISN'T JUST TO PROTECT THE AG LAND, IT'S TO PROTECT ALL OF THOSE EVERYDAY.
>> IN THE END, IT COMES TO PROTECT OUR RIGHT TO SAY, WE WANT TO DO WITH OUR LAND.
>> EXACTLY. ON ACCOUNTING LEVEL.
>> HOW MANY BUILDING UNITS COULD THAT HAVE BEEN?
WITHOUT IT BEING ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN.
>> BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE ANNEXED TO SEWER BECAUSE THEY COULD BE ON SEWER.
>> NOT ALL 40. NOT ALL PROBABLY WOULD WITH STORMWATER AND ROADS.
>> DUPLEXES WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED.
PROBABLY COULD HAVE WORKED OUR WAY UP TO MAYBE FOUR PLEX. I DON'T KNOW.
>> THE WHOLE SCENARIO COULD CHANGE IF THE TOWN ANNEXED IT TO WE REZONED IT TO HIGHER DENSITY.
>> IF IT HAD BEEN ANNEXED INTO TOWN, IT COULD BE EIGHT PER ACRE.
I MEAN, THAT'S HIGH DENSITY SO THE OPPORTUNITY THERE ISN'T A WHOLE I CAN'T THINK OF ANY LAND LIKE THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DUPLICATE ELSEWHERE.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK. BUT ONCE WE LOOK AND MAKE IT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN SOLAR CAN'T COME BEHIND US AND TAKE THAT TOO.
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THAT'S THE REALLY BIZARRE THING AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE GET A LOT OF NOTES SO WE CAN TAKE THE TIME TO GO LOOK AND FIND MORE, AND THEN IT JUST GETS REPEATED.>> I WONDER WHY THEY EVEN CHOSE IT`S REALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF HOUSES.
>> PROXIMITY TO. THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS ONE THING WE KNOW THAT A SOLAR COMPANY WANTS IS PROXIMITY TO A TRANSMISSION LINE.
WHEN WE START LOOKING AT WHERE CAN WE ADD TO OUR HIGHER DENSITY RES AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL WAY.
GET AWAY FROM TRANSMISSION LINES AND WE MAY BE SAFE.
>> DO WE HAVE THOSE ON THE MAP?
>> YES. NATHAN HAS THE LOCATION OF TRANSMISSION LINES.
WE DO KNOW AND THAT, HONESTLY, WHAT'S COME TO THAT, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN NEW ZONING, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT PROXIMITY TO TRANSMISSION LINE AND TWO MILES ON EITHER SIDE IS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE PLACE WHERE A SOLAR COMPANY IS GOING TO WANT TO GO AND THEN [BACKGROUND].
>> SO THEY GOT A FIVE MILE STRIP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COUNTY?
>> YEAH. THERE'S ONE THAT GOES THIS WAY, GOES THIS WAY, AND ONE THAT GOES THIS WAY.
IT IS GOING TO BE LIMITED AND THEN YOU GOT TO LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IT AND WHAT IT'S NEAR AND ALL STUFF.
BUT I THINK THAT WILL HELP DIMINISH THE THREAT FROM SOLAR IF WE CAN PUT IT IN PLACES WHERE WE KNOW SOLAR ISN'T REALLY GOING TO WANT TO BE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] TRANSMISSION LINES.
>> THE ONLY ONES YOU WON'T FIND ARE YOUR COMMUNITY SOLAR CLOSE TO THE FAR.
>> NO COMMUNITY SOLAR TOOK THAT WAS CHAERTON.
WAS A COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT'S BETTER THAN THE BIGGER ONES.
>> THE BEST ONES. IT`S DEATH BY 1,000 CUT. THERE'S THREE.
THERE'S A LONG ONE, THERE'S THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN NATHAN CAN SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS ONE AND THERE'S ONE LITTLE WEIRD ONE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
BUT LOOK WHERE THEY'RE NEAR PRESTON, DENTON, GREENSBORO, ALL OF OUR TOWNS, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD LOGICALLY BE EDGING HIGHER DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICTS LIKE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
>> HOW MANY MILES IS IT? IT'S A GOOD WAYS OUT.
>> THE SUBSTATION THERE'S A SUBSTATION RIGHT THERE ALMOST A THAT'S A I GUESS THEY CALL THAT THEY CONSIDERED THAT A TRANSLATION LINE.
>> IT'S TWO MILES OUT FROM A TRANSMISSION LINE IS A SUES.
>> THAT'S WHEN THEY THE SUBSTATIONS IS IF THEY GO FURTHER.
>> ONE MILE IS OPTIMUM, 1- 3 MILES IS WORKABLE AND ANYTHING BEYOND THAT AND TO FIVE DEVELOP COST PROHIBITIVE. THEY CAN'T DO IT.
>> WHAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IS IF YOU TOOK THOSE LINES AND A [INAUDIBLE].
>> ONE MILE AND A COLOR, TWO MILES.
>> THE FOUR. SUPER NEVER GOING TO DON'T PUT ANYTHING THERE THAT YOU LOVE.
[LAUGHTER] MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, NATHAN.
THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT WE DO.
LIKE A HEAT MAP OF A HEAT BUFFER.
>> I MIGHT BE BETTER TO DO WHERE WE CAN DO.
>> IF YOU CAN THINK IT, HE CAN DO IT.
>> RIGHT AROUND THE EDGES IS ABOUT ALL YOU CAN BUILD.
>> BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT'S OVER ON THE DELAWARE LINE.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO GO START TAKING SOMEONE DOWN WARE. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
>> YOU MEAN LIKE TRANSMISSION LINES?
>> NATHAN, CAN YOU MAKE A NOTE, PLEASE?
>> CAN YOU SEE WHERE TRANSMISSION LINES ARE LOCATED JUST ACROSS THE DELAWARE LINE?
>> IT`S NOT JUST LINE DELAWARE IT'S QUEEN COUNTY BORDER AS WELL.
>> NO RIGHT NOW. NO, NO, NO, RIGHT NOW [LAUGHTER].
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO SURROUNDING CAROLINE JUST IN GENERAL.
>> SURROUNDING TRANSMISSION LINES, THAT THE BUFFER IS GOING TO COME INTO OUR COUNT.
>> IF YOU'RE A HALF A MILE OVER THE DELAWARE BORDER, THEN YOU'RE A MILE AND A HALF INTO.
THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ANOTHER COLOR.
>> I LIKE TO LOOKING YOUR IDEA, BUT JUST MAKE IT A COLOR WHERE WE CAME.
>> JUST NARROW DOWN YOUR CHOICES.
WHICH IS WHAT BULLET NUMBER 2 IS, WHERE WE USE OUR REGULATORY CONTROLS TO ATTEMPT TO SHAPE LAND USE BASED ON THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT'S MORE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES, GREATER HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, PRESERVATION OF OUR AG ECONOMY.
WE HAVE TO FACTOR ALL THOSE IN.
SOME OF THEM ARE COMPETING AND
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MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACCOMMODATING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LAND USE NEEDS.THE SEPTIC TIERS MAP, I THINK DO WE HAVE THAT HERE?
>> IT'S IN YOUR IT'S IN THE CHAPTER.
WHEN THE 2014 SEPTIC LEGISLATION CAME DOWN BY THE STATE, MANDATED BY THE STATE, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DEVELOPING OUT IN YOUR COUNTRYSIDE.
DESIGNATE THESE TIERS, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY GROWTH TIERS, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT IS ONLY ALLOWED ON SEPTICS OR IT IS ALLOWED AT A HIGHER DENSITY.
AT THE TIME, WE WERE ALL INCLUDING THE STATE ON BOARD FOR TRYING TO MINIMIZE LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENT OUT IN THE RURAL AREAS.
WE DESIGNATED OUR TIERS VERY STINGILY MOST OF THE COUNTY, THE HUGE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY IS TIER 4, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY NO INTENSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S ON I GUESS IT'S PAGE 9. BEFORE, PAGE 10.
WE LIMITED ANY GROWTH POTENTIAL TO THE TDR RECEIVING AREA, RURAL VILLAGES, AND TOWN GROWTH AREAS DESIGNATED ANNEXATION AND GROWTH AREAS.
I THINK WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS, WE DESIGNATED AS TIER 3.
BUT WE WERE VERY LIMITED IN THE AMOUNT OF TIER 2 AND TIER 1, WHICH ALLOWS SEWER AND HIGHER DENSITY GROWTH, EITHER RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, AND THIS IS GEARED TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, BUT WHEN YOU ALLOW WATER AND SEWER, YOU'RE ALSO ENABLING COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL GROWTH TOO.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
THIS IS SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN IN DECEMBER BEFORE WE CALL THIS FINAL.
IS THAT WE LOOK AT RE-DESIGNATING OUR SEPTIC TIERS TO ALLOW FOR MORE POTENTIAL GROWTH IN SPECIFIC AREAS.
WE'VE EXPANDED THE RURAL VILLAGES OUT WITH OUR VC AND VN ZONING.
I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE TIER 2 DESIGNATION OUT TO THOSE EDGES TO, WHERE WE'VE GONE BEYOND THE PFA BOUNDARY.
>> WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, DO WE WANT TO EXPAND R1 AND R2, ESPECIALLY NOW, SINCE WE'VE LOST 40 ACRES OF IT.
THAT WE MAKE THOSE TIER 2 SEPTIC AS WELL, SO THAT WE HAVE A DOUBLE LAYER, OF WE WANT THIS TO BE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE JUDGE GOT HUNG UP ON WAS SEPTIC.
WHAT SEPTIC TIER IS THIS IN? THE CHABERTON PROPERTY, I THINK IT WAS TIER 4.
I WILL NEVER KNOW IF IT WOULD HAVE HELPED IF WE HAD MADE IT A HIGHER IMPACT GROWTH TIER OR NOT, BUT IN MY HEAD, I THOUGHT, WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT WHERE WE HAVE R1, AND WE'RE GOING TO DESIGNATE IT TIER 2.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE WANT RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL GROWTH THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL PROTECT US, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD THAT WE KEEP THOSE IN LINE WITH WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT.
>> HOW DOES THAT GET DETERMINED?
>> WE DESIGNATE THE TIERS BASED ON- [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHABERTON WAS IN [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE TIERS WERE ADDED ON TOP OF WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREAS.
WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREAS ARE DESIGNATED IN OUR CASE BY THE TOWNS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO OWN WATER AND SEWER.
WE APPROVE THEM IN OUR WATER AND SEWER PLAN.
YOU ALL REVIEW AND APPROVE DESIGNATED WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREAS.
FEDERALSBURG DESIGNATED THAT PARCEL AS A FUTURE WATER AND FUTURE SEWER SERVICE AREA.
ONCE YOU GET THAT DESIGNATION [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE THEN?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WASN'T DESIGNATED AS TIER 2. I DO NOT.
I ASKED KATHLEEN, THE FORMER LONG-RANGE PLANNER DESIGNATED THEM, AND SHE HAD THE SAME THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW.
IT WAS R1, IT WAS IN PROXIMITY, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT IT WASN'T.
>> MY GUESS IS BECAUSE IT WAS FARM.
IT WAS STILL IN AG, AND THE EMPHASIS BACK THEN, WHEN THESE WERE DEVELOPED, WAS TO HOLD ON TO YOUR FARM LAND AT ALL COSTS, SO WE REGRET THAT NOW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WASN'T HERE AND IT WASN'T ON THE LIST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS WAS NOT AT ALL FORESEEN.
I REMEMBER CARROLL COUNTY WHEN THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING, AND YOU HAD TO DESIGNATE TIERS WERE SO ENRAGED THAT
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THEY WANTED TO DESIGNATE THE ENTIRE COUNTY AS SEPTIC TIER 2.THEY WERE LIKE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CUT OURSELVES OFF FROM ANY POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND WE ALL LAUGHED OUT.
I'M NOT LAUGHING NOW. [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M THINKING THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, WE'LL JUST DO THE WHOLE COUNTY.
>> MAKE THE WHOLE COUNTY TIER 2.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D LET US, BUT WE DESIGNATE THE TIERS.
THE STATE HAS TO ULTIMATELY APPROVE THEM, AND IT SHOULD FOLLOW WHAT OUR ZONING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
I THINK THAT WILL BE THE EXERCISE WE DO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE REZONING, AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER TOOL TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF INTENT IN OUR ZONING.
>> WOULD WE NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO TAKE AND PUT A POINT IN EVERY TOWN AND DO A FIVE-MILE CIRCLE AROUND THAT TOWN AND PUT THAT INTO?
>> IF THE TOWN WANTS IT, BECAUSE NOT ALL TOWNS HAVE GROWTH AREAS.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT POTENTIAL IS STILL THERE.
>> WE COULD, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO TALK.
WHEN WE MEET WITH TOWNS THAT HAVE WATER AND SEWER, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT DECLARING THESE AREAS FUTURE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREAS, OR SEPTIC GROWTH TIERS.
>> NOW, WHAT IS A SEPTIC GROWTH TIER? EXPLAIN THAT.
>> IT'S A HIGHER-DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED ON SEPTIC.
IT'S A MAJOR SUBDIVISION ON SEPTIC, WHICH IN 2012 WE GOT RID OF.
WHEN WE DOWN-ZONED THE COUNTY IN THE 2012 COMPREHENSIVE REZONING.
AGAIN, BACK THEN, THE STATE'S PRIORITY WAS TO GET DEVELOPMENT OUT OF THE COUNTRYSIDE.
MOST OF THE R1, WOULD YOU SAY, WAS DOWN-ZONED R.
>> THAT WAS MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS ON SEPTIC.
>> TIER 3 IS A MAJOR SUBDIVISION ON SEPTIC IS ALLOWED.
>> WHICH IS BASICALLY OUR TIERS AND PFAS.
>> THE TIER 2 IS DESIGNATED BY THE TOWN.
>> IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 8, YOU'LL SEE WHAT EACH TIER INCLUDES OF THE CLEAN COPY CHAPTER [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHICH IS OUR PFAS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHICH DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE TOWNS IN ANY WAY.
>> TIER 3 IS AN AREA THAT WE COULD EXPAND, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT.
>> WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S ONE WE WOULD EXPAND.
>> IF YOU WERE JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY, IF YOU TOOK RIDGELY, THAT'S THE RED BOX, AND YOU PULLED OUT TWO AND A HALF MILES AND DREW A CIRCLE.
>> THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO DESIGNATE THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHY WOULD THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TOWN?
>> IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF TOWN.- [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AFFECT THE TOWN.
>> YOU WOULD BE, THOUGH. TIER 2 IS PLANNED TO BE SERVED BY THE SEWER SYSTEM IF THE TOWN OWNS THE SEWERAGE SYSTEM.
>> WITHIN 10 YEARS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWN, BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR SUBDIVISION ON SEPTIC.
BUT TO BE SMART, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOAD UP A LOT OF HOUSES AROUND THE TOWN IN THEIR GROWTH AREAS WITHOUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO SCREW THEM UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED GROWTH AREAS AND FUTURE WATER AND SEWER AREAS BASED ON THE CAPACITY IN THAT PLANT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE GROWTH AREAS OF THE TOWN DON'T MEAN JACK TO SO LOW.
>> WE WANT TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE PROTECTING OURSELVES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN ESTABLISHED PROCESSES THAT MAKE SENSE.
IF SOLAR DISAPPEARS TOMORROW AND WE CREATED A MONSTER, WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT, TOO.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRENDING, THOUGH, IS WHEREVER WE CAN, WE SHOULD SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY AND DO IT.
>> THAT'S NOT THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT.
IF WE ESTABLISH THESE GROUPS, HOW IS THE COUNTY WANT TO EXPAND? WHAT DO WE WANT? IF SOLAR IS GOING TO TAKE IT AWAY, IF THEY WANT.
>> YES, WE CAN WE SAY WHAT WE WANT TO AND HOW WE WANT.
>> THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE GROWTH TO BE AROUND THE TOWN.
>> NEAR AN AREA WHERE THERE'S PUBLIC.
>> IF THE TOWN AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PRESTON OR SOMETHING, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TOWNS THAT SAY, WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE DONE.
>> PRESTON DOESN'T WANT TO GROW.
>> WE'RE GOOD, WE HAVE OUR 100 RESIDENTS, WE'RE GOOD.
>> EVERY OTHER TOWN HAS A GROWTH PLAN.
KEITH, WE CAN EITHER DO TIER 3 OR WE DO TIER 1 IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TOWN SAYING, YES.
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IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THERE'S A GROWTH AREA ESTABLISHED, THAT'S A NO-BRAINER.WE CAN MAKE IT TIER 2 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE, ALSO.
THE ONLY TOWN I THINK THAT WOULD NOT WANT THAT IS PRESTON.
>> BUT IF YOU DID LOOK AT YOUR TOWNS AND SAY, WITHIN A MILE OR A MILE AND A HALF RADIUS, YOU DESIGNATE IT AS TIER 2, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY EVER HAVE TO ADOPT THAT AND DIVIDE IT, BUT YOU'VE SET IT UP WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OBSTACLE OF IT BEING TIER 3, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND CHANGE YOUR TIER MAP, AND IN 10 YEARS, SOMETHING COULD CHANGE.
YOUR TIER 2 IS SUPPOSED TO GET SEWER WITHIN 10 YEARS.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, NO COUNTY THAT I KNOW OF THAT'S GOT THE TIER 2 AROUND TOWNS HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN THE SEWER OUT TO THAT AREA, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY AND THE OPPORTUNITY LATER.
PRESTON NOW MAY NOT WANT IT, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT PRESTON MAY WANT IN 10 YEARS?
>> AGAIN, WITH THE RIGHT DEVELOPER THERE COMES A NEED.
>> THEY WANT TO BUILD A TREATMENT PLAN, IT MIGHT GO.
>> WHEN WE LOOK AT EXPANDING C1, C2, OR R1 OR R2, HAND IN HAND WITH THAT, WE SHOULD BE MAKING THAT TIER 2 OR TIER 3, CHANGING IT TO TIER 2 OR TIER 3 FROM TIER 4.
THAT IS ANOTHER IMPLEMENTATION TOOL THAT WE HAVE IN ADDITION TO DECLARING ZONING DISTRICTS, IN ADDITION TO ACTUALLY TALKING TO TOWNS ABOUT EXPANDING THEIR PLANNED WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREAS FOR THE SAME REASON TO START ESTABLISHING THE TURF WHERE WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, OR INDUSTRIAL AND MAKE SURE WE'RE IN SYNC WITH WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY OWN THE FUTURE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREAS.
I CAN'T GO IN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREA ON YOUR FACILITIES OVER HERE.
THAT'S THEIR CALL, SO THAT WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE TOWNS AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEIR STRATEGIES ARE AND LETTING THEM KNOW.
>> BUT THAT WOULD BE DESIGNATING IT AS A TIER 2.
IF A TOWN SAID, YES, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS A FUTURE WATER SERVICE AREA AND A FUTURE SEWER SERVICE AREA, WE WOULD GO IN AND MAKE THEM TIER 2.
THAT WOULD BE OFFICIAL BECAUSE THE TIER 2 IS A PLANNED SERVICE.
>> AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE YOU'LL EVER HAVE?
>> IT ISN'T. BUT BY PUTTING IT THERE, FIRST OF ALL, FUNDERS RECOGNIZE THAT, AND IT MAKES YOU ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT AND LOW-INTEREST LOAN FUNDING FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE PROJECTS.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING A TOWN DOES WHEN THEY COME TO ME AND SAY, WE WANT TO GO OUT AND HOOK UP SOMEBODY WHO'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PRIORITY FUNDING AREA BOUNDARY.
CAN YOU MAKE IT A WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREA? WE WANT IT TO BE A WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AREA SO WE CAN BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY.
THOSE ARE THE AMENDMENTS YOU GUYS GET WHEN YOU GET A MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE WATER AND SEWER PLAN, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
ARE THEY EXPANDING THEIR PLAN SERVICE AREA OUT? IT'S DOABLE, IT'S ANOTHER LAYER, WHETHER IT ABSOLUTELY PROTECTS US, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT'S WHY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE REZONINGS, WE PUT THEM IN A PLACE THAT IS MEANINGFUL.
WE'RE NOT JUST ARBITRARILY THROWING IT OUT THERE THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT, BECAUSE IT MAKES IT MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN.
IT MAKES IT MORE DEVELOPABLE TO THE LANDOWNER.
TDR RECEIVING AREA, WE REVIEWED THOSE BOUNDARIES IN JUNE.
USED TO BE OCTOBER, NOW WE'VE MOVED IT TO JUNE, SO WE'LL RUN THAT.
>> WASN'T IT BECAUSE OF ONE REPORT TO [OVERLAPPING]
MATT RUNS THE DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR THAT.
I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT IT THIS TIME, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER MAKING ANY OF THAT AREA HIGHER DENSITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD OUTRIGHT REZONE IT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EXPANDING, WHERE WE CAN PUT LOWER TIERS AND ENSURE A BETTER SHOT AT HIGHER-DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
THE RURAL AG LAND PRESERVATION EASEMENT PROGRAM, WITH THE NEW LEGISLATION AND THE AG LAND FUND, WE WANTED TO PUT THIS IN HERE.
I THINK NOW WE'RE PLANNING TO USE MOUTH, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY AND LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF POTENTIALLY DOING OUR OWN SOMEDAY.
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WE'VE GOT ENOUGH STAFF AND MONEY, SO THAT'S WHY THAT GOAL IS IN THERE.THEN, FINALLY, THE JOINT PLANNING PROGRAM WITH MUNICIPALITIES TO LOOK AT MUTUAL OPPORTUNITIES OF GROWTH AND LAND USE MANAGEMENT WITH EACH OTHER.
>> WILL THAT BE WITH US, POTENTIALLY?
>> MM-H. WHEN WE DID THE LAST COMP PLAN IN 2010, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE HAD THEM ALL, ONE OR TWO FROM EACH ONE, OR IF WE DID JUST A HANDFUL OF TOWNS, CAME, AND WE DID JOIN A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND IT WAS GREAT.
IT WAS REALLY GREAT, IT'S WORTH DOING AGAIN, AND HEARING WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
REMEMBER AT THAT LAST COM PLAN PUBLIC MEETING WHEN YOU HAD THE PLANNING COMMISSION GUY WHO'S WRITING THEIR COM PLAN, HE HAD QUESTIONS AND HE HAD QUANDARIES, AND YOU WOULD BE HEARING WHAT YOU HEARD FROM HIM FROM OTHER TOWNS, AND WHAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH AND WHAT THEY'RE HOPING THEY CAN DO.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT EXERCISE, AND THAT'S IT.
IF YOU ALL THINK OF ANY OTHER POTENTIAL STRATEGIES, OR BEEFING UP ANY OF THESE, LET ME KNOW.
I THINK SHOULD WE BRING IT BACK IN DECEMBER FOR A FINAL DRAFT, OR ARE YOU ALL GOOD WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE?
>> I'M GOOD WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL.
>> NO WORDING ABOUT THAT FROM ME, THAT SOLAR IS NOT THE DRIVING FACTOR HERE.
IT'S SITTING HERE, WE'RE TRYING, BUT WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE TOWN, AND HOW WE DO GROWTH AND HOW WE EXPAND.
THEN, WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT IN COURT THAT WE DON'T WANT SOLAR, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE SAT HERE AND DREAMED UP A PLAN TO TARGET THEM.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH OF OUR COUNTY.
WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER ENCROACHMENT WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPERIENCING? VERY GOOD POINT.
>> JUST ONE LITTLE THING ON CHAPTER OR PAGE 13, UNDER INSTITUTIONAL.
THE VERY LAST SENTENCE IT SAYS THE COUNTY'S I2 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, I'M ASSUMING THAT SHOULD SAY INSTITUTIONAL.
HOW DID THAT END UP IN THE INSTITUTION? THANK YOU. GOOD EYE.
>> IT DOES. GOT IT. THANK YOU.
>> I2 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING TOTALS.
>> THEN, UNDER PUBLIC LANDS AND OPEN SPACE, THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE, I DIDN'T LOOK THIS UP, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S SPELLED CORRECTLY.
>> IS THE Y AFTER THE W? THERE'S A Y IN THAT WORD [OVERLAPPING] SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
>> THAT'S HOW I WAS CONFUSED WITH IDLE WILD AND EASTON.
I KNOW THAT ONE HAS [OVERLAPPING].
>> I LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW.
>> ON GOOGLE MAPS, IT IS I-D-Y-L.
>> WHAT DOES GOOGLE MAPS HAVE AS CORRECT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE REASON I KNOW IS BECAUSE I FELT THAT IDLE WILD ALSO.
>> BUT IT'S ONLY ONE L, SO IT'S STILL A TYPO.
>> MY DAD IS IN THE IDLE WILD ROUTAN CLUB IN FEDERALSBURG, AND THEY SPELL IT I-D-L-E.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO CALL HIM RIGHT NOW.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE RARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU GET TO TELL YOUR DAD HE'S WRONG ON SOMETHING.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I KNEW THERE WAS A WHY IN IT SOMEWHERE BECAUSE IT STRUCK ME AS [OVERLAPPING]
>> A FAMILY NAME OR SOMETHING [OVERLAPPING].
>> WITH THOSE CORRECTIONS ARE YOU GOOD?
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>> ARE YOU GOOD? ARE WE GOOD? YOU WANT TO EDIT IT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> SIR ARE WE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A MOTION TO.
>> APPROVE IT AS A FINAL DRAFT?
>> YEAH APPROVE IT AS A FINAL DRAFT.
>> I THINK WE MADE IN ONE OF THE OTHER MEETINGS THAT IT CAN BE CHANGED RIGHT UP UNTIL.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL DRAFT CHAPTER OF LAND USE WITH THE MINOR TYPO.
>> THEN THE CORRECTION ON THE GOALS ON THE FRONT PAGE [NOISE] TO STRIKE SOLAR DEVELOPMENT [OVERLAPPING] AND NON-AGRICULTURAL LAND USES.
JEFF, I'LL TRY AND KEEP AN EYE OUT WHERE I'VE DONE THAT.
IF I SPOT IT ANYWHERE ELSE, MAKE SURE I'M NOT,.
>> IT'S JUST THAT THE WHOLE [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO, IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
I THINK THEY GET THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T LIKE IT OR WE'RE NOT READY.
[LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] THAT COMES THROUGH.
>> SORRY, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND IS THERE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. BILL BROOK.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANYTHING ELSE?
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALL OPPOSED SAYING, HEARING NONE, IT PASSES.
>> NOW, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE?
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE NEXT CHAPTER IS THE PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA, WHERE WILL WE RANTING ABOUT SOLAR AGAIN [LAUGHTER].
DISCUSSING THE DESIGNATION OF IT AND ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT WE HAVE.
THAT IS VERY MUCH TIED TO SOLAR BECAUSE THE SOLAR LIMIT OF ACREAGE IS BASED ON 5% OF OUR DESIGNATED PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS COMING FROM MACO IN PREPARATION FOR A BILL IS, ARE WE CONSIDERING INCREASING OUR PPA? I WAS LIKE, DID YOU WORD THAT CORRECTLY? [LAUGHTER]
>> DID YOU MEAN DECREASE? THEY WERE LIKE, NO, WE WANT TO KNOW IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO INCREASE IT. NO.
>> RIGHT NOW, THE SOLAR REGS THAT THE STATE PASSED ARE APPLICABLE ON SOLAR DEVELOPMENT UP TO [NOISE] 5% OF OUR TOTAL PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA ACREAGE.
OUR ACREAGE IS 126,000 ACRES, 5% OF THAT.
AFTER THAT, WE'RE GETTING MIXED MESSAGES.
>> THE MEETING OLIVIA WAS AT, IT SOUNDS LIKE AFTER THE SOLAR DEVELOPERS HAVE EATEN UP THAT MUCH OF OUR LAND, 5% OF OUR PPA, WE DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW STATE REGS, WHICH ALLOWS THEM IN EVERY ZONING OR WE DON'T NEED TO FOLLOW THE LIMITATIONS THAT THE STATE SETS FORTH.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT WE WOULD HAVE OUR OWN.
>> WE CAN SET OUR [OVERLAPPING].
WE CAN SET HIGHER BUFFERS, MORE REQUIREMENTS, MORE FEES, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
BUT THEN I HEARD IN OUR PRIORITY AREAS, ONCE THEY HIT THE 5%, WE CAN SAY NO IN THE PRIORITY AREAS.
>> IN THE PRIORITY PRESERVATIONS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SAY THAT AGAIN. OUR PPA IS HOW MUCH?
>> THAT MEANS [OVERLAPPING] WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 6,350?
>> WELL, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO [OVERLAPPING].
FIRST OFF, THAT 5%, WE ARE COUNTING ANYTHING THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING.
IT DOESN'T START AS OF JULY THIS YEAR OR JANUARY, WHENEVER EVERYTHING KICKED IN.
>> ANY SOLAR OR IS THAT JUST THESE.
>> NOT LIKE RESIDENTIAL USE OR BUSINESS USE.
IT'S COMMERCIAL. ANY COMMERCIAL.
IT'S COMMUNITY SCALE AND UTILITY SCALE.
>> OKAY. COMMUNITY SOLAR WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING]?
>> RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY ON WHAT REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE.
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>> THEN ONCE YOU HIT THE 5%, THEN YOUR REGULATIONS, WHATEVER THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, OR HOPEFULLY BEEFED UP, WE'LL SAY, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, AND HERE'S YOUR FEE FOR THAT, AND HERE'S YOUR FEE FOR THIS.
THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PPA, BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD ON FRIDAY, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE, ONCE YOU HIT THAT 5% IN THE PPA, YOU CAN SAY NO.
THAT'S IT. THEY'RE DONE WITHIN THE PPA.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING FROM THEM.
>> WHAT IS OUR ADVANTAGE OF THAT'S PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREAS?
>> WELL, WE THOUGHT IT WAS TO PROTECT US FROM DEVELOPMENT, BUT INSTEAD.
I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO RUN RAMPANT THROUGH YOUR WHOLE PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA.
WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THEM TO TAKING 5% OF IT FOR SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.
AFTER THAT, GOOD LUCK TO THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN START LAYERING IN ALL OF YOUR CONDITIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL MAKE THEM COST PROHIBITED TO A DEVELOPER.
THE STATE ALLOWS THEM TO IGNORE OURS UP TO 5% OF OUR ACREAGE.
OUR PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA SADLY HUGS THE TRANSMISSION LINE CORRIDOR.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS SO WOULD THERE BE A BENEFIT FOR US TO DECREASE THE PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA?
WHAT YOUR PPA WAS AS OF JANUARY 1, 2025. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [OVERLAPPING] EVERYBODY THOUGHT OF THAT. WE ALL THOUGHT OF THAT.
>> WE ONLY HAVE 10 ACRES [LAUGHTER].
>> THAT'S RIGHT. IF SOMEBODY PUT AN EXTRA ZERO ON IT.
>> IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THAT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO. BECAUSE THEY KNEW EVERYBODY WOULD DO THAT.
THEY MADE IT BASED ON YOUR JANUARY [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS PRIORITY PROPERTY ACTS SOLELY BECAUSE OF SOLAR.
IF WE COULD DECREASE THAT, WHAT WOULD THE BENEFIT BE? [OVERLAPPING] TAKE SO WE'RE IN THE PICTURE.
DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE REGULATIONS OF BUILDING HOUSES? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, IT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OF THE MOUTH EASEMENT PROGRAM.
WELL, NOT IT IS NO REQUIREMENT.
IF YOU WANTED TO GET THE MOST MONEY YOU COULD OUT OF THE MOUTH THE STATE FUNDING FOR AG EASEMENTS, YOU HAD TO DECLARE A PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA AND SET A GOAL LIKE A BIG GOAL.
IN OUR CASE, IT WAS OUR PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA ACREAGE OF PRESERVING LAND FOR AGRICULTURE.
ONCE YOU DID THAT, THE COUNTY WAS ABLE TO USE.
IT WENT FROM 25% OF THE AG TRANSFER TAX TO IT'S EITHER 75% OR 100%.
HUGE INCREASE IN FUNDING FROM THE STATE FOR OUR MOUTH AG EASEMENTS.
EVERY COUNTY DID IT BECAUSE WHY WOULDN'T YOU? YOU'RE PUTTING WRITING WHAT YOU ARE HOPING FOR ANYWAY.
IT WAS A SECTION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, THEY MADE IT A REQUIRED SEPARATE CHAPTER.
IT WAS THAT IMPORTANT. IT WAS SHOCKING [OVERLAPPING].
>> WANT TO PRESERVE FARM LAND AND NOW THEY WANT TO BUILD SOLAR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. IT WAS SHOCKING WHEN THEY LITERALLY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM DEVELOP IN THE PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA. WE COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.
AT FIRST, WE WERE SMUG THINKING, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO LET THEM DO THAT, AND WE HAVE A HUGE PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA, BUT THEY DID.
YEAH, AND NOW IT'S LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS.
IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S MEANINGLESS.
THE DESIGNATIONS ARE JUST MEANINGLESS.
JUST LIKE ZONING FEELS MEANINGLESS.
>> WELL, I GUESS WE NOW HAVE A NUMBER THAT'S A CAP.
>> WE DO. WE SUBMITTED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING REQUESTED ARE GIS SHAPE FILES OF OUR PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA WITH THE ACREAGE [OVERLAPPING].IT DOES.
>> IT'S A HUGE PART OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'D BE CURIOUS. WHAT OTHER COUNTIES LOOK LIKE? I BET YOU THEY'RE IN THAT SAME.
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T LOOKED.
THEY HAVE THE ACREAGE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD TRANSMISSION LINES 50 YEARS AGO, 70 YEARS AGO, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO? FLAT, OPEN? [OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE FOREST, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE. YOU'RE GOING TO GO [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALTHOUGH THE NORTH SOUTHWIND FOLLOWS THE CHOP TANK CORRIDOR.
>> BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE WORKSHOP, BUT WE'RE HAVING THIS BIG CONVERSATION ABOUT SOLAR.
BUT 50 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS PEOPLE SITTING AROUND PUT THE HIGH WIRE TO FORM AND LOOK LIKE HELL.
THEY HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEN THEY TURNED THE LIGHT ON.
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>> THE FEAR WAS MASS SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT AND SPRAWL.
DO ANYTHING YOU CAN TO KEEP THAT OUT.
>> THE DIFFERENCE IS WITH THE TRANSMISSION LINE, YOU CAN STILL ACCESS THE GROUND.
>> FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE YOU GOT TO HAVE A LOT CHANGE FOR THAT CHANGE.
IN ALL THE PLANNING THAT WE DO, THESE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WE HAVE HERE.
WHERE DO WE PUT IT WHERE WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO BUILD THAT PARKING LOT COVER? HOW ABOUT PUTTING YOUR TRUSSES ON ON YOUR CHICKEN HOUSES, 16 INCH CENTERED TWO FOOT ON CENTER AND STRING TO FULL OF SOLAR PANELS.
>> INCENTIVES. [OVERLAPPING] YOU GOT TO OFFER AN INCENTIVE.
[OVERLAPPING] WELL, YOU GOT TO GO THINGS.
YOU BETTER HOPE THERE AND IS IT DELMARVA THAT ALLOWS IT AND CHOP TANK ELECTRIC THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY.
>> HOW DOES THAT WORK? [OVERLAPPING]
>> DELMARVA DOES, CHOP TANK DOESN'T.
BEFORE YOU START OFFERING INCENTIVES TO BEEF UP OUR SOLAR INFRASTRUCTURE, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONNECTED TO A UTILITY THAT WILL ALLOW IT OR FACILITY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT MAY TAKE SOMEBODY DOING THE RESEARCH AND ALLOWING SAYING, HEY, HERE'S YOUR BENEFIT, CHOP TANK.
HERE'S WHY YOU SHOULD AND CONVINCING THEM EVENTUALLY.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE PUT IT IN OUR PLAN THAT WE CREATE.
WE LIKE IT. WE LIKE THE CHESAPEAKE COLLEGE ROUTE.
WE CAN SAY IT IN THIS CHAPTER.
THAT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OR MAYBE I SHOULD JUST SAY PRIVATE SOLAR. [OVERLAPPING]
BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT SUPPORT THE OPERATIONS ON THE PARCEL.
WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL AG OR BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT EVEN CALLED DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS.
WE DO, WE ALLOW FOR THAT IN OUR ZONING.
>> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WAS TARGETED TO GET A $340,000 SOLAR GRANT TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON VARIOUS STRUCTURES OF THE COMPANY.
THAT ALL DRIED UP WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
>> THEY ELIMINATED INDIVIDUAL COMMERCIAL AND FARM, SMALL SOLAR, BUT HAVE KEPT THE FUNDING FOR UTILITY SCALE.
BECAUSE THAT IS AI AND DATA CENTER.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY DON'T WANT TO HURT THOSE.
>> WHY DON'T WE GET THE [OVERLAPPING] IN CAROLINE COUNTY.
>> WE DIDN'T WHO WAS JUST TELLING ME THAT WE HAD AN APPLICATION FOR A DATA CENTER? WAS IT YOU THIS MORNING?
>> DATA CENTERS TAKE GOBS AND GOBS OF ELECTRICITY [OVERLAPPING] AND WATER. I HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT PART.
I WAS JUST GOING TO HIT ELECTRICITY FIRST AND THEN GO TO WATER.
WHAT HAPPENS IS A DATA CENTER GOES IN AND TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE ENERGY THAT THEY ARE USING, EVERYBODY AROUND IN THAT AREA THAT HAS NO SAY IN IT IS GOING TO GET THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS INCREASED.
THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WATER FACTOR.
HUGE WATER REQUIREMENTS FOR DATA CENTERS.
WHAT DOES YOUR AQUIFER LOOK LIKE? IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH ON PUBLIC WATER.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SAID FOR A WHILE NOW, AND I BROUGHT IT UP AT A MEETING ON FRIDAY THAT MACO WAS ACTUALLY DOMINIC WAS THERE, THAT THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO WORKS FOR ONE OF THE LARGER SOLAR DEVELOPMENT FIRMS. I SAID, SOLAR OR THE BATTERY FOR THE DATA CENTERS, SORRY, SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 75% OF THEIR ENERGY ON SITE.
WHETHER IT IS SOLAR ON THE ROOF, OR HEY, HOW MUCH ACREAGE DO YOU NEED TO PUT IN X AMOUNT OF SOLAR PANELS TO PROVIDE THAT? HE SAID THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRUCTURES ON TOP OF THE ROOF THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE HARD TO DO ON TOP OF THE ROOF.
BUT HE SAID, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BECAUSE YOU ARE THEN CREATING THIS BURDEN THAT'S NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE.
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING WITH THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS, IF YOU LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREA, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF LANGUAGE ON SOLAR BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THAT,
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BUT THAT WILL NOT BE AS HEFTY AS THIS.THE ONLY CHANGES DO YOU WANT TO EXPAND IT OR REDUCE IT? IT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO AFFECT THE SOLAR LAW NOW IF WE DID EITHER.
>> OH, YEAH. IF WE INCREASED IT.
>> I THINK I DON'T KNOW. ONCE WE SUBMIT OUR [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO. IT'S WHATEVER. DON'T CHANGE IT.
WE GOT A SECOND AND WE PASSED IT, BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO ADD [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE CAN CALL THIS ANOTHER ONE OF THE MINOR EDITS THAT WHAT I'LL BE ADDING IS THAT THE COUNTY SUPPORTS SOLAR POWER, PROJECTS.
>> OH, THAT'S IT. FOR ON SITE USAGE TO SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS, AND AGRICULTURAL USES.
>> ALL OTHER USES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF IT?
>> FOR THE RECORD, WE AREN'T AGAINST SOLAR POWER.
>> WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY YOU CAN GO PUT IT UP AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT SELLING IT. [OVERLAPPING]
YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED TO DO IT, EXCEPT THE FUNDING IS DRIED UP.
BUT WE DO SUPPORT IT THROUGH OUR REGULATORY THROUGH OUR CODES. WE DO ALLOW IT.
>> PUT WORDS ON PAPER SO THAT WE ARGUE TO THE STATE OR WHOEVER IT IS. WE'RE ON OUR PART.
WE ATLEAST SUPPORT THESE PEOPLE DOING THEIR STUFF.
BUT WE DON'T SUPPORT LOSING A 6,000 ACRES OF FARM LAND.
>> TO SOMEBODY WHO COMES OUT OF FLORIDA THAT FLIES IN HERE.
THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO IT TO THE COUNTY.
>> I GUESS THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF BENEFIT, RIGHT TAX.
>> TEMPORARY. WELL, THERE WILL BE THE TAX.
>> WELL, THEY CHANGE THE TAX ON THE PROPERTY.
I GUESS WHEN THEY START USING IT, CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL USE.
>> THEN THERE'S PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
>> THEN YOU ALL HAD A FEE FOR THAT.
MUCH PER MEGAWATER, THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE OWNER PAYS FOR THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THE OWNER WILL STILL GET THE BILL, BUT [LAUGHTER] THAT'LL BE BETWEEN THE OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER WHO'S PAYING IT.
>> THERE WILL BE A LINE OF FARMERS AT THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING SAYING, WHY ARE MY TAXES [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH MINING.
>> THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE MAKING PER ACRE IS WORTH THAT.
>> WE DID HAVE [LAUGHTER] A SCREAMING RESIDENT [LAUGHTER].
BECAUSE THERE WAS A DELAY IN THE ASSESSMENT OFFICE CHANGING THE TAX RATE.
THEY MISSED IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THEN SURPRISE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY WHEN YOU SAID THE PERMIT, IT'S NOT MONEY WHEN IT'S BILLED.
>> I REMEMBER IT WAS OUR FARMER THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> WOULDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE MOVING THIS TOP SOIL AND ALL THIS STUFF [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHICH IS USUALLY, A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF, I SWEAR.
>> WRONG PERSON [INAUDIBLE] BETTER READ THE FINE PRINT.
>> WELL, STEWART'S LETTER HAD A LINE THAT SAID, MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR WHO'S PAYING THAT NEW HIGHER PROPERTY TAX, THAT IT'S NOT YOU, THAT IT'S THE SOLAR DEVELOPER.
BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> CHANGE ME AS AN OWNER THE HOUSE I SOLD FOR [OVERLAPPING]
>> EVEN IF THE SOLAR COMPANY IN 10 YEARS IS GONE AND SOMEHOW THEY'RE ANOTHER 10 YEARS GETTING IT DECOMMISSIONED.
>> THEY'RE STILL PAYING TAX BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING IT OUT OF [INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THEIR RIGHT TAX UNTIL THAT'S ALL CLEANED UP AND BACK IN OPERATION AGAIN.
>> YOU WORK THAT STATE TAX, THAT'S WHY YOU CORRECT THEM.
>> EVEN IF THEY DID HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT, THEN THEY PAY IT [OVERLAPPING]
>> GOT THE WRONG NAME. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
>> GREAT GREATER THEM SOLAR PANEL.
I'VE BEEN ON THAT BOARD WHAT SEVEN YEARS.
>> YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION AND VOTE.
>> NOW, THE NEXT ITEM IS A REVISED PLANNING COMMISSION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SCHEDULE.
[Comprehensive Plan Meeting Dates]
[02:35:06]
>> ARE YOU STILL ON THE WORKSHOP?
>> I ACTUALLY WENT ON MY COMPUTER AND IT IS.
>> GENEVA HAS IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
I HAVE REVISED THE DATES ACCORDINGLY TO WHERE WE HAVE MADE IT SO FAR AND WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING.
NOT THAT THIS MAY NOT CHANGE AGAIN, JEFF.
>> I'M JUST WAITING FOR I'LL MAKE SURE YOU CATCH UP.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF HE EVER WILL [LAUGHTER].
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN.
GENEVA HAS GOT IT UP ON THE SCREEN. SORRY, MATT.
IT'S A FEW MORE MONTHS OUT THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BACK IN APRIL OR MAY.
BUT AGAIN, I HAD SAID ALL ALONG.
I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE FLUID, AND WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE IT AS WE GO.
TRY TO GET IT TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND HIT THESE DATES.
BUT RIGHT NOW, LESLIE WILL BE BRINGING PRIORITY PRESERVATION AREAS IN DECEMBER.
JANUARY, WE WILL HAVE NOTHING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL NEED OR ASK FOR AT THAT POINT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF HOLIDAYS GOING BETWEEN NOW AND FIRST OF THE YEAR.
I WILL BE WORKING ON EVERYTHING UP TO THAT POINT.
THE FEBRUARY MEETING, LESLIE WILL BE BRINGING THE WATER RESOURCES TO YOU.
THEN ON THE MARCH MEETING, SHE WILL BRING THE FINAL DRAFT APPROVAL BECAUSE USUALLY YOU HAVE HERE'S THE CHAPTER.
YOU TALK ABOUT IT AND MAKE THE REVISIONS LIKE YOU DID TONIGHT.
AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING, WE BRING THE FINAL DRAFT TO YOU WITH THOSE CHANGES.
TO KEEP THIS MOVING, I AM PROPOSING THAT AT THE MARCH MEETING THAT LESLIE CAN GET THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE WATER RESOURCES APPROVED BASED ON WHATEVER YOU ALL HAD ASKED FOR REVISION WISE IN FEBRUARY, AND AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE I'M JUST OPTIMISTIC THAT THE TWO WILL MESH TOGETHER.
BRING THE COMPLETED UPDATED DRAFT.
NOT NECESSARILY FOR YOU ALL AT THAT POINT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE SENT OUT FOR INTERNAL REVIEW.
WE'RE GOING TO SEND THAT OUT TO THE DIRECTORS OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY AND GO OVER WITH THE STAFF IN PLANNING AND CODES.
THEY'LL GET A 21 DAY REVIEW TIME TO SEND COMMENTS IN.
THOSE COMMENTS ARE GOING TO BE DUE ON APRIL 1ST.
HOW? IN THAT GREAT? I KNOW. APRIL 1ST.
[LAUGHTER] I MEAN, EVERY TIME THAT I REWORKED IT A LITTLE BIT, IT KEPT COMING BACK FOR SOMEBODY ON APRIL 1ST, I'M LIKE, OKAY, WHATEVER, I'M RUNNING WITH IT.
APRIL 17TH, THE DRIVE PLAN WITH THOSE COMMENTS, WHATEVER I GET BACK, WILL BE INCLUDED AS A SUMMARY THAT WILL GO OUT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN THE LIBRARIES, COMMUNITY CENTERS, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, HAVE A 30 DAY REVIEW AND COMMENT TIME.
AT THAT POINT, I AM ALSO GOING TO E MAIL THAT SAME DRAFT UP TO MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A 60 DAY REVIEW.
THEY SEND IT OUT TO FOUR OTHER STATE AGENCIES AND GET REVIEW.
I'VE HEARD THAT IT COMES BACK A LITTLE QUICKER THAN 60 DAYS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT 60 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
RIGHT NOW, THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHEN WE GET TO FURTHER INTO THE CALENDAR, YOU'LL SEE IT SET FOR AUGUST.
AGAIN, SUBJECT TO CHANGE, MAYBE GOING DOWN THE ROAD.
MAY 18TH, THE COMMENTS ARE DUE FROM THE TOWNS AND THE PUBLIC.
JUNE 10TH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE DRAFT PLAN WITH A SUMMARY OF COMMENTS FROM EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GO OUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE A 21 DAY REVIEW.
IT'S ALSO GOING TO GO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
THEY GET A 21 DAY REVIEW AS WELL.
JUNE 16TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION I MEAN, MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING COMMENTS ARE DUE.
JULY 1ST, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS WILL BE DUE.
THEN AT THE JULY 8TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SUMMARY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND MNDP [INAUDIBLE] WILL ALL BE ATTACHED FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT WITH THE COMPLETE DRAFT PLAN.
EVERYTHING WILL BE IN THAT JULY PACKAGE.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING ANOTHER PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING. PERFECT TIME.
IT'S BEEN OUT TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW.
JULY 16, PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING HERE.
AND THEN JULY 22ND AND AUGUST 2 WILL BE THE NEWSPAPER PUBLICATIONS.
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THEY HAVE TO BE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.THAT WILL ALSO BE POSTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA.
THE AUGUST 12 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE CONSIDERED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S THE FINAL DRAFT FOR REVIEW, ANY EDITS AND APPROVALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, SEPTEMBER 8, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING.
THE DATES FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUILT IN THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE LIKE.
THEY MAY BE OVERLOADED ON THOSE AND SAY, NOPE, SORRY, WE'RE BUMPING IN TWO WEEKS.
I ALSO HAVE TO GET IT TO JEN IN TIME FOR HER TO PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA.
RIGHT NOW, HOPEFULLY, SEPTEMBER 8, IT'LL BE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETING TO REVIEW, GET ANY ADDITIONAL EDITS AND APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD, MEANING SEPTEMBER 15 WOULD BE THE FINAL DRAFT.
A REVISIONS INCLUDED FOR APPROVAL AND THE RESOLUTION DONE.
THEN STAFF WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE ONE MONTH'S BREAK, AND THEN NOVEMBER, WE'LL TALK ABOUT UPDATING THE ZONING CODE AND THE MAPS.
>> JUST WHEN YOU GO TO TWEAK THIS AGAIN, THE EIGHTH AND THE 15TH, SINCE YOU ONLY HAVE A WEEK IN THERE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED MORE THAN A WEEK BECAUSE YOUR MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON TUESDAY, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING TO GEN THURSDAY MORNING AT 10:00 TO BE ON THAT FOLLOWING WEEK'S AGENDA.
YOU ARE GOING TO NEED TO ADD A WEEK IN THERE A WEEK BETWEEN THE TWO COMMISSIONERS MEETINGS.
>> I WAS SUCH A POLLYANNA. I WAS HOPING I WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE MUCH.
I THINK I HAD IT. I SHOULD HAVE.
>> THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. I'VE UPDATED THAT FOR YOU ALL.
THIS WILL GET POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL.
AGAIN, I MIGHT BE SITTING HERE IN FEBRUARY GOING, NO, CHANGED IT AGAIN.
IT'LL BE REASONS, BUT I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO HOLD IT AS MUCH AS I CAN TO A SHORTER TIME FRAME.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT, TOO.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THESE DATES.
I DID INCLUDE A CALENDAR FOR YOU ALL FOR 2026 BECAUSE THE NOVEMBER MEETING GOT BUMPED BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY FOR VETERANS DAY.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN FYI, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN NOVEMBER IS ACTUALLY THE 12TH INSTEAD OF THE 11TH.
[2026 Calendar Review]
WELL AND YOU GOT THE CALENDAR.>> YOU HAVE THE CALENDAR FOR 26TH, DON'T YOU?
>> I'M JUST STARING AT ROMETT SHOULDERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORDER IS.
>> IN YOUR PACKAGE IS THERE'S THE 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION SCHEDULE THAT LIST ALL YOUR WORKSHOPS AND MEETINGS, OFFICE CLOSURES.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A FINAL APPROVAL SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND POST THE SCHEDULE.
HOPEFULLY, YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
>> ONE OF THESE DATES MIGHT HAVE TO BE SHIFTED?
>> IT IS, AND THAT'S IN THE MONTH OF JUNE BECAUSE THE ELECTIONS, THE CALENDAR IS ALL BOOKED UP, AND SO WE WILL BE MEETING AT THE COURTHOUSE JUNE 10TH.
>> OKAY. IT'S STILL THE SAME DATE.
>> YES, SAME DATE. DIFFERENT LOCATION.
>> NOVEMBER. I THOUGHT WE MOVE I THOUGHT WE MOVED THE NOVEMBER MEETING DATE SO THAT WE COULD STAY IN.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT JUNE, THERE WAS NO MEETING THERE WAS NO ROOMS AVAILABLE HERE.
>> THAT GOES TO THE COURTHOUSE.
>> THEN NOVEMBER WE MOVE NOVEMBER.
>> THE DAY IS MOVED TO THURSDAY.
>> NOTE FOR DIFFERENT LOCATION IN THE JUNE BOX.
>> YES, BECAUSE LAST TIME SOMEBODY CAME HERE. YEAH.
>> YEAH. NO PROBLEM. I'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE.
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>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR? UNLESS YOU HEARD OF ANY ISSUES WITH THE DATE. LOOKS GO. YEAH.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES A YEAR.
>> NOW. THAT'S TOO FAR FOR ME.
>> I MEAN, PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDARS.
>> CHRISTMAS SHOP ON CHRISTMAS. YEAH.
>> BEFORE. THE I'VE DONE IT BEFORE, WENT OUT TWO OR THREE, WENT OUT CHRISTMAS EVE AND JUST PAID FOR WHATEVER WE COULD. THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU ATE DINNER.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. [OVERLAPPING] I LOVE.
[LAUGHTER] RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] YEAH.
[BZA Update]
THERE ANYWAY. RIGHT. I'M TELLING YOU. OKAY.WE HAD A MARK AND LISA MARNI [INAUDIBLE] APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE TO ADD A 103 SQUARE FOOT SUN ROOM ADDITION OVER THEIR EXISTING CONCRETE PATIO WITHIN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY CRITICAL AREA, 100 FOOT BUFFER, AND A 20 BY 30 POLE BUILDING THAT EXCEEDS THE CHESAPEAKE BAY CRITICAL AREA COVERAGE LIMIT.
THE HOUSE AT 23260 HOLLEY PARK DRIVE WAS BUILT PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE CRITICAL AREA LAW, AND THE PARCEL IS 0.97 ACRES.
THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE VARIANCE TO BUILD THE SUN ROOM ADDITION THE BOARD VOTED TWO TO ONE IN FAVOR OF THE VARIANCE TO BUILD THE POLE BUILDING WHETHER OR NOT TO KEEP THE 179 SQUARE FOOT SHED. THAT'S YOUR UPDATE.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A PATIO PO [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF THEY WANT TO. OKAY. I'M AT THE BOTTOM, SO I DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA, SO YOU WANT.
>> DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AS USUAL.
>> WE HAVE MET NATHAN. HAVE YOU ALL AND ARE YOU FULL DOWN?
>> NATHAN'S BEEN PHENOMENAL BOTH AND HAVING TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.
>> SUSSEX COUNTY, DELAWARE, WHICH HAS INTENSE IS IT 300,000 PARCELS.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T CONTROL YOUR LAND USE PEOPLE.
>> I MEAN, SUSSEX COUNTY BUILDING EVERYWHERE. I MEAN.
>> SUSSEX COUNTY HAS A WATER AND [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK ALL OF US. [INAUDIBLE].
>> THERE IT IS. CHOP TANK MARINA.
>> I DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT NOW.
>> ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SAY OTHER THAN.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> WELL, OUR PUBLIC, WHICH IS ONLY YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SAY THAT IS RIVETING MEETING.
>> NOW WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURNED.
[Meeting Adjourns]
WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.>> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THEN SAY HI.
>> YOU STAND ADJOURN AND LET US KNOW WHEN WE'RE TURNED OFF, MISS OLIVIA, PLEASE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.