Nov 13, 2025 Construction Trades Board

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THERE WE GO. SHOULD BE GREEN DOT.

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[HB 1162 - HVACR Equipment Sales]

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YEAH, HE GOT SENT THAT BECAUSE HE'S HE'S THE ONE THAT MADE ME AWARE OF THAT.

SO MOVING ON FROM THAT, WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEM THAT WE'VE

[HVAC Regulations]

SO I'M JUST GOING TO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND WE PRETTY MUCH ALL AGREE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IT. BUT I WANT TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I KNOW ADAM HAS SOME THINGS THAT HE JUST FOUND TODAY.

ER BROUGHT UP SOME THINGS RECENTLY.

AND WE ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND ADOPTING THE WHAT'S IT, THE 2021.

YEAH, THE 2021. SO I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO START OFF.

LEVI, YOU WANT TO. AS FAR AS THE CODE GOES, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUSLY TERRIBLE.

SO IN THAT, IN THAT FIRST PART CRYSTAL GENEVA AND I HAD A WORKSHOP A WEEK OR TWO AGO, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ADOPTING IF WE ADOPTED THAT, THAT CHAPTER ONE SECTION, WHICH IS THE SCOPE AND ADMINISTRATION SECTION, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING WHERE WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT OUT OF THAT OR CHANGE TO FIT OUR NEEDS, THE COUNTY'S NEEDS.

I REALLY WISH CRYSTAL WAS HERE SO WE COULD TALK MORE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY MORE ON.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN MENTION I DID TEXT HER, BUT SHE HASN'T RESPONDED YET.

BECAUSE BASICALLY THIS FRONT FROM WHAT I GATHER AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

GENEVA. BUT WHAT I GATHERED FROM OUR MEETING WAS THAT THIS PART WOULD PRETTY MUCH BE ADOPTED AS AS OUR CODE FROM THE FIRST PART, AND THAT WOULD TELL YOU WHEN YOU NEEDED INSPECTIONS. WE'D HAVE TO DETERMINE WHEN WE NEEDED INSPECTIONS, WHETHER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ROUGH END AND FINAL OR LIKE ER HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT, DO YOU NEED AN INSPECTION? IF YOU DO A UNIT CHANGE OUT ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT TAKING UNIT OUT, PUT A UNIT BACK. DO YOU NEED AN INSPECTION OR DOES JUST AN HVAC INSPECTION SUFFICE FOR THAT, OR DO YOU NEED AN HVAC AND ELECTRICAL INSPECTION FOR THAT? NOW? MY OPINION I DON'T THINK WE NEED WE WOULD NEED AN ELECTRICAL INSPECTION IF YOU GET HVAC INSPECTION. HVAC INSPECTION SHOULD PICK UP WHETHER THAT WIRE IS BIG ENOUGH FOR THAT UNIT. IF IT'S A ONE FOR ONE SWAP, IT SHOULDN'T SHOULD BE OKAY ANYHOW.

YEAH. SOME OF THE NEWER STUFF YOU GET INTO THE HIGHER SEER, IT'S REQUIRING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER WIRE, YOU KNOW.

BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S 95% OF THE TIME IT'S GOOD.

BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS SOMETHING. IF YOU HAD HVAC INSPECTION THAT WOULD BE PICKED UP ON THAT HVAC INSPECTION. YEAH, I WOULD THINK.

AND PART OF OUR PROCESS WITH THE INSPECTION WHERE WE DO HVAC INSPECTION IS THAT'S PART OF THE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS.

YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THE PROPER OVERCURRENT PROTECTION CIRCUIT.

SO OUR INSPECTOR AS PART OF HIS CHECKLIST IS LOOKING AT THE NAMEPLATE.

LOOK AT THE BREAKER, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO FOR A 1 TO 1 REPLACEMENT, IF NO NEW WIRING WAS INSTALLED, JUST DISCONNECT. RECONNECT.

THAT'S STILL GETTING GETTING VERIFIED.

YEAH. AND THEN IF IT IS TOO SMALL THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO GET AN ELECTRICIAN OR SOMEBODY THAT'S LICENSED TO DO ELECTRICAL WORK BECAUSE YOU GOTTA INSTALL CONDUCTORS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE CONDUCTORS. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY IT SHOULD BE FOR THE THE BREAKER AS WELL. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO HEAR THAT.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN INSPECTION DONE AT CHANGE OUT.

AND THEN THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS JUST TO COVER THE HVAC CONTRACTOR.

I'VE BEEN IN A SITUATION BEFORE WHERE I'VE GONE IN AND DONE A COMPLETE CHANGE OUT, AND I WAS THERE AND DID IT MYSELF, AND THAT THE CONDO HAD WATER DAMAGE AND IT DRIPPED DOWN TO THE DUCTWORK AND LIKE LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, AND THEY TRIED TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T TAKE THE RETURN BOX ON THE BACK, AND IT HAD FALLEN OFF WHERE IT WAS SATURATED WITH WATER, AND THAT'S WHY IT FELL OFF.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE HOMEOWNER'S I'VE WHERE IF YOU HAD AN INSPECTION, YOU SAY IT'S INSPECTED, RIGHT? SO IT COVERS BOTH SIDES OF THE PARTY.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AN HVAC INSPECTOR, IF HE'S A TRUE HVAC

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CORRECT. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ISSUE.

THEN HE ADDRESSES IT AND THAT'S IT.

YOU KNOW, WE RAN INTO A CASE IN ANOTHER COUNTY WITH A BRAND NEW INSPECTOR WHO HAD ZERO HVAC INSPECTION CAPABILITY, HAD NEVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT AT ALL BEFORE, AND HE WAS THE CHIEF INSPECTOR FOR HVAC, AND IT WAS A PROBLEM. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING.

SO BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GOT GUYS FROM FIRST STATE OR FROM MDEA, THEY USUALLY HAVE BEEN AROUND.

THEY'RE WELL VERSED IN IT AND IT'S OKAY.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK COULD POSSIBLY BE A, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM AREA, BUT NORMALLY LIKE.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF HERE IF WE'RE USING FIRST STATE FOR OUR HVAC INSPECTIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE AN ISSUE. THEY CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THE PROPER STUFF THERE.

RIGHT. SO I THINK IN LOOKING AT THIS CHAPTER ONE, THE SCOPE AND ADMINISTRATION, THE SECTION 101 IS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT JUMPS OUT THERE.

SECTION 102 IS APPLICABILITY.

AND THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT EXISTING INSTALLATIONS MAINTENANCE AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO. THAT'S GOING TO FALL INTO WHAT WHAT THIS CODE IS GOING TO COVER AS FAR AS CAROLINE COUNTY IS CONCERNED.

BECAUSE I RAN INTO A PROBLEM IN EASTON WHERE I HAD GOT BROKE, A GAS LINE, AND IT COST ME A SMALL FORTUNE BECAUSE I HAD TO REDO EVERYTHING TO SATISFY THE TOWN OF EASTON TO FIX A BROKEN GAS LINE BEHIND THE STOVE.

WE BASICALLY HAD TO REDO THE WHOLE SERVICE BECAUSE NONE OF IT WAS UP TO CODE.

IT WAS EXISTING AND I ARGUED IT WAS A REPAIR, SO I SHOULD HAVE JUST REPAIR WHAT WAS BROKEN.

BUT NO, THEY MADE ME BRING IT ALL UP. COST ME ABOUT THREE GRAND ON AN $800 JOB.

BUT IN A NUTSHELL. WELL.

THE ONE AND ONLY THING THAT I HAVE A COMPLAINT ABOUT, THOUGH, THAT I DO SAY THAT I DESPISE OF, IS IS THE LOCKING CAPS.

YES. I HATE THOSE THINGS.

YEAH. AND THEY'RE LIKE 60, $70.

YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR. WHAT'S THAT? THEY'RE LOCKING CAPS ON WHERE YOU HOOK YOUR GAUGES UP TO IT.

THAT'S PART OF THAT CODE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IT. BUT I MEAN TO UNWRITE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TROUBLE THAT WOULD BE.

SO IF SOMEBODY TAMPERED WITH IT AND TOOK THE REFRIGERANT OUT, YOU'D BE. YEAH. THERE WE'D BE SAYING, WELL, WE DON'T REQUIRE IT.

YEAH. SO. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH.

BUT I HATE WHEN I'M SERVICING IT.

I FORGOT MY KEY TO GO BACK AND GET MY KEY AND UNLOCK IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE TOWN OF DENTON REQUIRES PERMIT AND INSPECTION.

AND I'VE YET TO RUN INTO AN ISSUE WITH THAT LOCKING CAP.

THEY DON'T THEY DON'T ENFORCE THAT.

AND WE'RE DOING ONE IN DORCHESTER RIGHT NOW.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE.

MDE DOING THE INSPECTIONS DOWN THERE, AND WE HAVEN'T GOT THAT FAR YET.

SO IS THAT REQUIRED? SO IF YOU GO TO AN OLDER INSTALLATION, YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM IN. IF YOU DO A CHANGE OUT, ANY, ANY TYPE OF NEW SYSTEM PUT IN THERE, YOU GOTTA HAVE THOSE LOCKING CAPS ON THE REFRIGERANT LINES. RIGHT.

YEAH. IF IT'S A REPLACEMENT UNIT.

YEAH. IF THEY'RE, IF YOU'RE JUST IF YOU'RE WORKING ON AN EXISTING UNIT, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T PROBABLY BE THERE ANYWAY.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. SO I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO COME WITH THE UNIT NOW, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, THEY DON'T KNOW YOU GOT A BOMB AND I GOT YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, I'M THINKING ALL THE KEYS AREN'T THE SAME.

YEAH, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT ONES.

SO YOU GOTTA HAVE ALL THE ONES WITH YOU.

AND THOSE KEYS AIN'T CHEAP, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU GOTTA. WE.

WE DID THE SAINT MICHAEL'S YMCA AND THE THE BRANCH BOXES IN THERE.

WE HAD TO PUT THEM HIM ON IT.

THAT WAS A GREAT JOB. YEAH.

AND GIVE HIM 10% SPARE KEYS.

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BUT THE REALLY INTENT, THE INTENT OF THIS MEETING.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF FOREVER AND A DAY.

AND WE'RE REALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO TRY TO FINALLY CLOSE THE DOOR ON THIS WHOLE TOPIC.

SO I REALLY AM HOPING THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME KIND OF HEADWAY TO GET SOMETHING TOGETHER, TO PRESENT AND GET WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE.

I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT PART. THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GO IN FRONT OF THEM? THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE NICE IF CRYSTAL WOULD BE HERE TO HELP GUIDE US.

BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CHAPTER ONE, BUT I REALLY LIKE HER INSIGHT ON MAN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE HER. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE WE WANT TO DISCUSS ON THAT OR ANY DISCUSSION OR HAVE ANY.

HAVE YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT AT LEAST THIS CHAPTER, ONE SECTION. OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE OR NOT INCLUDE? I AGREE WITH LEE. I'M LOOKING AT THE TWO HVAC GUYS BECAUSE THE CAT'S GONE.

AND I SUPPOSE THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTION DOESN'T ACTUALLY FALL UNDER.

THAT. IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER.

BUT PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, TECHNICALLY, NOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ELECTRICIAN'S, YOU KNOW, TO RUN THE THERMOSTAT, WIRE AND HOOK AND UNHOOK.

SO DOES THAT FALL INTO THAT OF ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM? I THINK THEY'RE STILL CONSIDERED LOW VOLTAGE. THEY'RE STILL CONSIDERING THAT THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED LOW VOLTAGE.

SO NOW THAT'S THAT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT LIKE IN QUEENS COUNTY THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE IT WAS YOU GOTTA HAVE ELECTRICITY PERMIT TO, TO HAVE THE WATER TO DO THE WIRING BACK IN.

YEAH. OF THE UNIT. YEAH.

YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S STILL THAT WAY IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.

YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY.

BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MECHANICAL HVAC INSPECTION AND ELECTRICAL INSPECTION ON A REPLACEMENT.

YEAH. AND THAT'S TOO MUCH.

I THINK SO TOO. YEAH. I THOUGHT THEY JUST THEY EITHER PROPOSED OR PASSED WHEREVER YOU WERE A LICENSED HVAC PERSON.

YOU DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE ELECTRICAL LICENSE TO DO YOUR LOW VOLTAGE AND QUEEN ANNE.

I THOUGHT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

WELL, RIGHT NOW THE STATE OF MARYLAND IS STILL LOOKING AT THAT AS LOW VOLTAGE. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THERMOSTATS.

LOW VOLTAGE. BUT IT'S THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE OR THE STATUTES THAT SAYS THAT DISTINGUISHES ANYTHING BY VOLTAGE.

THAT IS A QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY CODE.

YES. AND SO WE DON'T I GUESS WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ADDRESS IT HERE FOR THERMOSTATS.

NOW, WE DON'T HAVE LOW VOLTAGE INSPECTIONS HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE SOME COUNTIES LIKE QUEEN ANNE'S OR WICOMICO, PLACES LIKE THAT, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE LOW VOLTAGE INSPECTIONS FOR TELEDATA WIRING AND CAMERAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA AS THERMOSTAT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BUILDING AUTOMATION WIRING THAT GETS INSPECTED IN THOSE PLACES.

AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE IT, WE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT HERE.

I'D SAY JUST THE LINE VOLTAGE.

RIGHT. THE LINE VOLTAGE IS THE ONLY THING BEING QUESTIONED.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF YOU'RE DISCONNECTING A UNIT AND RECONNECTING IT BACK UP, I DON'T SEE WHY YOU NEED ELECTRICIAN FOR THAT. YEAH, AND I'M AN ELECTRICIAN SAYING THAT.

AS LONG AS YOUR EMPLOYEES NOW, LIKE, KNOW THE DIFFERENCE OF MY GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN TAUGHT THEY KNOW WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE SHOULD BE FOR A BREAKER AND FOR THE WIRE SIZE, YOU KNOW, AND HOW LONG OF A DISTANCE IT COULD BE.

YOU STILL MIGHT HAVE A BIG ENOUGH WIRE, BUT IT'S TOO LONG OF A DISTANCE.

SO BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT WOULD GET CLARIFIED IF YOU HAD AN HVAC INSPECTION.

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SO AND WE'LL VERIFY THAT.

I SAY WE DON'T NEED ELECTRICAL INSPECTION.

I AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THAT EITHER.

THE HVAC INSPECTION COMPANY.

UNLESS. NEW WIRE. YEAH, YEAH.

NEW WIRE FOR JUST A. WE NEEDED YOU.

YEAH, YOU YOU WOULD NEED IT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS CHAPTER ONE OF THE IMC.

LEVI AND E.R. SAID THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY HEARTBURN OTHER THAN THESE LOCKING CAPS, AND. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER.

MY THOUGHT WAS, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE THAT MAYBE WE JUST REPLACE CHAPTER ONE WITH WHAT WE WANT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION PORTION OF IT.

WHETHER WE WANT CONSTRUCTION PLANS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW WHAT OUR VIOLATION PROCESS IS PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THAT. AND JUST INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CARVE IT IN, REPLACE THIS, REMOVE THAT, JUST REWRITE AND REPLACE CHAPTER ONE WITH WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO READ.

WHAT WOULD THAT BE? YES.

ULTIMATELY UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS, OF COURSE, BUT. RIGHT.

BUT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PLUG IN ALL THE THINGS WHEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND WE WANT TO FOLLOW OUR CURRENT PROCESSES FOR VIOLATIONS AND PENALTIES AND NOT WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THAT CHAPTER.

I DON'T KNOW, NOW OUR PROCESSES FOR STOP WORK ORDERS, ALL OF THAT. I KNOW IN A IN A NEW HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, MY NEW JACK. AND THAT'S FINE.

IF THAT'S REQUIRED, FINE.

AND THAT'S REQUIRED FOR ANY NEW HOME THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE AS WELL.

SO BUT IN A, IN A REPLACEMENT IN THE REPLACEMENT MARKET, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN LIKE SIZE AND KIND AND SOME OF THE COUNTIES I THINK TOLBERT IF THEY'VE GOT TO LIVE THERE LIKE TWO YEARS AND SIGN A PAPER THAT IT HAS WORKED FINE UNTIL THE POINT OF REPLACEMENT.

BUT TO ME, IF YOU'RE GOING LIKE SIZE AND LIKE KIND OF EQUIPMENT, YOU I DON'T SEE WHY YOU NEED A MANUAL.

J YOU KNOW, YOU JUST YOU'RE PUTTING BACK WHAT'S THERE AND THE CUSTOMER'S AGREEING.

IT'S ALWAYS WORKED FINE UNTIL IT GOT OLD AND QUIT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS APPLICABILITY.

YOU KNOW, WHEN DOES THE BOARD FEEL THEY SHOULD REQUIRE WORK TO BE INSPECTED? YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AT WHAT LEVEL DO YOU WANT TO.

BECAUSE I KNOW YEARS AGO IN OUR ELECTRICAL CHAPTER, AS FAR AS MINOR REPAIRS, I THINK WE HAD SOMETHING IN THERE THAT ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, GREATER THAN THE REPLACEMENT OF TWO OUTLETS WOULD REQUIRE AN INSPECTION THAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE HVAC? IS THERE A THRESHOLD OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE INSPECTED AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE? WELL, I DON'T I DON'T THINK ANY REPAIRS.

SHOULD FALL UNDER AN INSPECTION.

BUT ANYTIME YOU'RE CHANGING THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF THEN OKAY.

THAT NEEDS AN INSPECTION.

THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN IT RUN INTO A PROBLEM AROUND WITH OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING IN AND MAKING TERRIBLE REPLACEMENTS.

WORDING EXAMPLE MIGHT BE TO REPLACEMENT OF THE LISTED ASSEMBLY, NOT REPLACEMENT PARTS OF A LISTED ASSEMBLY.

SO WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT UNIT IS LISTED ASSEMBLIES.

SO IF YOU'RE REPAIRING PARTS IN THE ASSEMBLY THAT'S A REPAIR.

BUT IF YOU'RE REPLACING THE LISTED ASSEMBLY THEN THAT'S THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT REPLACE A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT. SO I'M SITTING HERE AND THIS IS THIS IS ALL GOOD DISCUSSION.

BUT I'M ACTUALLY SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT THIS. AND DO WE REALLY NEED TO GO IN DEPTH ON THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THIS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.

SO MAYBE WE NEED TO GET THAT STEP FIRST AND SAVE THIS PART OF IT.

I THINK YOU BEFORE YOU GO TO THE COMMISSIONERS, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT IS IT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO, RIGHT? A GENERAL GENERAL DIRECTION. YEAH. SO I THINK AT LEAST LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF WE WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT THIS SPECIFIC CODE.

EITHER WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT IT IN ITS ENTIRETY OR GOTCHA TO ADOPT PORTIONS OF IT.

AND WHERE DOES IT BECOME APPLICABLE WOULD BE THE KEY ITEMS TO TELL THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, WE'RE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE REPAIR IN REQUIRE INSPECTIONS.

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SO RIGHT NOW WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, OTHER THAN LOCKING CAPS, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET BY THAT ONE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STRIKE THAT OUT OF THE CODE. WE JUST HAVE YOU GUYS PROVIDE KEYS. YOU HAD TO PROVIDE KEYS TO THE INSPECTION AGENCY.

YEAH. WELL, I'M NOT GETTING IN THERE.

FROM WHAT I GATHER, YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THE 2021 IMC.

YES. SO THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN DO WE WANT INSPECTIONS? RIGHT. I'D SAY MORE THAN HALF THE DUCT WORK.

AND I WOULD SAY A CHANGE OUT IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NOTHING FOR REPAIRS.

ANYTHING THAT'S CONSIDERED REPAIR.

I WOULDN'T DO IF YOU GOT TO REPLACE A COUPLE PIECES OF DUCTWORK.

OKAY. THAT'S A THAT'S A REPAIR.

YEAH. IF YOU GOT TO REPLACE A WHOLE DUCT SYSTEM, THAT IS NOT A THAT'S NOT A REPAIR.

THAT'S NEW INSTALLATION.

THAT'S WHAT LEVI SAID.

OVER HALF THE DUCTWORK.

YEAH. IF IT'S OVER 51% OF IT, THEN IT GETS REPLACED OR, YOU KNOW, GETS INSPECTED.

AND WITH THE WITH LIKE THE MANUAL J THE LOAD CALCULATION DEAL YOU.

WE'VE RUN INTO IT WITH DOUGLAS.

YOU'RE ONLY DOING A LITTLE PIECE OF THE HOUSE.

YOU'RE DOING A ONE ROOM ADDITION, OR YOU'RE A ROOM THAT HASN'T DONE WELL.

MAYBE IT WAS ADDED YEARS AGO, AND THE HEATING AND AIR WAS NEVER UP TO PAR.

SO YOU'RE PUTTING A DOUGLAS IN THERE? I DON'T THINK THAT FALLS UNDER A MANUAL JANE NEED IN THAT PART.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, A MANUAL. YOU JUST NEED FOR A NEW HOUSE BASICALLY.

YEAH, FOR A NEW HOUSE. YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THE RISK FACTORS GOING TO BE COVERED UNDER THE BUILDING CODE ANYWAY.

REQUIRE THAT UNDER THE ENERGY CODE.

HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT A HOUSE.

HOW ABOUT A HOUSE THOUGH THAT HAS NO AIR CONDITION AND YOU PUT AIR CONDITIONING IN IT.

IT GETS INSPECTED. THAT WOULD BE NEW RIGHT.

SO YOU NEED A MANUAL FOR THAT.

CORRECT. NOT AN EXISTING HOME.

YOU DON'T KNOW. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST I'M JUST THROWING IT UP. I'M GOING TO DO ONE ANYWAY BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PUT SO YOU CAN SIZE YOUR EQUIPMENT.

YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE ONE DONE ANYWAY.

I DON'T YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU A PROTECTION.

YEAH. FOR LIABILITY. I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE AGAIN THIS IS YOUR GUYS'S BUSINESS.

I'M AN ELECTRICIAN. SO.

AND IF A HOMEOWNER TELLS ME IT'S JUST NEVER WORKED, RIGHT, THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO DO IS PULL A MANUAL J ON IT.

I'M GOING TO MEASURE EVERYTHING. I'M GOING TO DO A MANUAL J AFTER I LOOK AT THE DUCTWORK AND THINK, ALL RIGHT, THE DUCTWORK JUST WAS NEVER RIGHT ANYWAY, WASN'T THE RIGHT SIZE OR, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT MORE THAN LIKELY I'M GOING TO PULL A MANUAL J ON IT.

THAT WAY I'M COVERED. I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT TWO, I GUESS AREAS. YOU CAN SAY REPLACEMENT EXISTING HOME WITH A REPLACEMENT UNIT.

YOU'RE SAYING NO MANUAL J.

BUT IF IT'S A UNIT THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE CENTRAL AIR, YOU WANT TO ADD IT. AND THAT'S CONSIDERED A BRAND NEW. IT'S NOT A REPLACEMENT.

THEN YOU COULD REQUIRE A MANUAL J IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN OLD HOMES THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY.

AND THE WIND HAS BEEN REPLACED, THE DOORS BEEN REPLACED.

HOW WELL IS IT INSULATED, INSULATION BEEN ADDED OR WHATEVER.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HAS DIFFERENT SIDING BEEN PUT ON.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS COME INTO PLAY AND THAT YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA LOOK INTO THAT.

SO AT THIS POINT WE DO INSPECTIONS.

BRAND NEW BRAND NEW INSTALL, BRAND NEW HOUSE BUILDING, WHATEVER. DEFINITELY. IF IT.

YEAH. OKAY. WANT A UNIT CHANGE OUT? YOU WOULD DO IT? YEP. AND THEN THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S GETTING A NEW SYSTEM.

YEAH. THAT'S GETTING THAT'S NEVER HAD ONE.

RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE LIKE LIKE LIKE E.R.

WAS SAYING WITH THE WITH THE DUCTLESS SPLIT, IF YOU'RE HAVING DUCTLESS SPLIT FOR A ROOM, THAT'S SUPPLEMENTAL. YEAH, YEAH.

SO A HOUSE THAT'S NEVER HAD IT SHOULD HAVE AN ANNUAL J.

WE'VE GOT QUITE A NUMBER OF OLDER HOUSES RIGHT HERE IN THE TOWN OF DENTON THAT ARE JUST GETTING LITTLE PIECES OF THE HOUSE DONE WITH DOUGLAS.

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YEAH, MAN. THAT'S. YEAH, I KNOW, THAT'S.

BUT WITH THAT MANUAL, DOES THAT MANUAL J DOES THAT COVER THE WHOLE HOUSE? OR CAN YOU DO THE MANUAL FOR THEM? YOU CAN DO IT FOR JUST A ROOM AND SAY THAT THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS STAYING AS IT WAS.

IS THAT FEASIBLE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THE REASON FOR THE INSPECTION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T KILL ANYBODY WITH FLUE GAS. RIGHT. MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO ELECTROCUTE ANYBODY.

AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DUCTWORK IS HOOKED BACK UP TO IT PROPERLY FOR AIRFLOW.

AS FAR AS A MINI SPLIT GOES.

TAKE A PRETTY STUPID PERSON TO SCREW THAT UP.

WELL, IF SOMETHING LEAKS, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE A CONDENSATE ISSUE.

YEAH. AND FLOOD A HOUSE.

RIGHT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AND EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT MUCH CONDENSATION OF FLOOD, THE HOUSE MIGHT DAMAGE THE WALLS OR SOMETHING. YEAH. AND THE MAJORITY OF THE MINI SPLITS ARE WHAT WE'RE SEEING, THAT PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MINI SPLITS ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IN OUR I MEAN, HOW HOW FAR ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO IGNORE GETTING A PERMIT? YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE IT TOO HARD FOR MANY SPLITS, I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE DANGER, THE THE DANGER TO THE PUBLIC WITH THE MINI SPLIT, AS I DO WITH THIS TRADITIONAL SYSTEM.

YOU SEE THEM AGAIN, A LOT OF YOUR OLDER HOMES, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER HEAT SOURCE AND THEY THEN THEY'RE GLORIFIED.

THEY'RE GLORIFIED WINDOW UNIT.

AND THEY JUST TOOK A WINDOW UNIT SPLIT IT IN HALF. THE INVERTERS IN THEM WILL GO DOWN SO LOW YOU CAN'T OVERSIZE THEM AND YOU KNOW CREATE A HUMIDITY ISSUE UNLESS YOU REALLY JUST. SO IN OTHER WORDS WOULD PUT THEM IN A CLOSET.

YEAH. BUT SO ARE OUR MINI SPLITS EXEMPT.

YOU STILL HAVE ELECTRICAL PERMIT.

YEAH. BECAUSE THE CIRCUIT WAS NEVER THERE.

RIGHT. BUT THERE'S STILL STUFF TO CHECK.

THE CAPS. YEAH, YEAH. UV PROTECTION.

THERE'S CAPS. I MEAN, THERE'S. BUT HONESTLY, I'VE NEVER PUT A CAP ON.

I DON'T NEVER HAVE. YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE PERMITS FOR THEM TOO. BECAUSE THINKING ABOUT IT NOW, I.

I'VE GONE BEHIND SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THEM IN AND THEY NEVER THEY DIDN'T PULL THEM IN JAIL AND A WHOLE HOME.

THIS IS A WHOLE HOME. AND IT GETS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

IT GETS 5 TO 0 DEGREES AROUND HERE.

AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CALLING YOU BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS 60 DEGREES AND NOW THEY'RE MAD BECAUSE I'VE SPENT $20,000 ON THIS SYSTEM AND THERE'S NO HEAT. I THINK IF YOU'RE SUPPLEMENTING.

OTHER THAN CHECKING THE CAPS AND THE CONDENSATE, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ARGUMENT THERE.

BUT IF YOU WERE SUPPLEMENTING, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED IT. IF YOU'RE DOING A WHOLE HOME AGAIN, YOU SHOULD HAVE A MANUAL ON IT.

AND THE MANGLED JAIL AND THE MINI SPLITS NEEDS TO BE OFF OF THE HEATING BTUS, NOT THE COOLING BTUS. SO YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU HAD, LET'S JUST SAY AN OLDER MAN HAD NO HEATING OR AIR? YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY THOSE UNITS, THEY GOT FIREPLACE, WHATEVER, WOODSTOVE OR HEATING, AND NOW THEY WANT TO HEAT THE ENTIRE HOUSE USING MINI SPLIT. AT THAT POINT WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO HAVE A MANUAL.

YEP. AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT INSPECTED.

BUT IF YOU'RE SUPPLEMENTING, YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING SYSTEM.

AND THIS IS JUST A SUPPLEMENT. I'M PUTTING THIS IN THIS ROOM OVER HERE BECAUSE IT'S YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE. WE JUST WE JUST DID ONE RIGHT IN TOWN IN DENTON.

THEY PUT A LITTLE ADDITION ON THE HOUSE.

IT ONLY REQUIRED A SMALL ADDITION, A LITTLE 9000.

THEY SAID, LOOK, IF WE PUT A DOUBLE UNIT IN, CAN WE SIZE IT SO WE CAN DO THE LIVING AREA OF OUR JUST A LIVING AREA.

THE FIRST FLOOR IN OUR HOUSE.

THAT WAY WE CAN THROW THAT WINDOW UNIT OUT. WE DON'T NEED IT IN THERE ANYMORE. AND SO THAT YOU'RE DOING TWO ROOMS IN A HOUSE THAT HAS 4 OR 5 ROOMS DOWNSTAIRS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE THERE WAS A NEW ADDITION, BUT IT WAS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER WE ACTUALLY NEEDED THE PART THAT DIED ON TO IT.

I MEAN, WE GOT IT DONE ANYWAY.

BUT SO IN THAT CASE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF YOU'RE SUPPLEMENTING, YOU DON'T NEED THE MANUAL J BUT YOU STILL NEED THE INSPECTION, CORRECT? YEAH. I MEAN, THE ONLY TIME I CAN THINK OF THAT, YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO BE A NEW CONSTRUCTION

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J YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE YOU GET YOUR PERMIT.

CORRECT? YEAH. SO THAT'S JUST A CONDITION OF YOUR PERMIT.

YEAH. SO WHEN YOU FILL OUT THE PERMIT APPLICATION AND IT'S SUPPLEMENTAL, YOU CHECK THE BOX. IT'S SUPPLEMENTAL. I DON'T NEED THE MANUAL, J, BUT I NEED THE PERMIT INSPECTION.

IF IT'S A NEW HOUSE NOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MANUAL TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. RIGHT. WHAT MAKES IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE THAT ALL FALLS UNDER THE ENERGY BACK TO.

CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S UNDER THE ENERGY. SO.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ANYTHING. SO INSPECTIONS ON NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW UNITS AND MANUALS ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED UNDER THE ENERGY CODE.

IF YOU'RE REPLACING A UNIT YOU NEED AN INSPECTION.

IF YOU'RE DOING DUCTWORK REPLACEMENT OVER 50% YOU'RE GOING TO NEED AN INSPECTION.

NOTHING. ALL REPAIRS ONLY COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE RECOMMENDED ON THAT.

IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING SYSTEM YOU WANT TO SUPPLEMENT IN TERMS OF THE DUCTLESS YOU'RE SUPPLEMENTING STILL NEED INSPECTION.

NO MANUAL YET, BUT IF IT'S NOW A HEAT SOURCE THAT YOU NEVER HAD BEFORE, YOU NEVER HAD BEFORE, YOU NEED TO DO THE SAME THING.

I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT.

AND YOU WANT TO THROW A KICKER INTO THAT.

YOU YOU PUT IN THE DUCTLESS WITH PARTIAL WALL HUNG UNITS AND AN AIR HANDLER THAT'S DUCTED. IT GETS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DO THIS THERE WILL BE SOME.

OH YEAH. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THAT ONE. IT GETS COMPLICATED.

IT GETS COMPLICATED. AND ESPECIALLY WITH THESE NEW SYSTEMS. SO THE THOUGHT IS THE 2021 IMC CODE APPLICABLE TO THOSE THINGS WHERE WE WOULD REQUIRE INSPECTIONS? STEWART, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON FOLLOWING EXISTING PROCESSES WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR VIOLATION PENALTIES, STOP WORK ORDERS? OR SHOULD WE REPEAT IT? AND HERE, I MEAN WE CAN STILL IRON THIS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO IRON THIS OUT TODAY, BUT I'M KIND OF TORN WITH THE CHAPTER ONE IN THE CODE.

DO WE JUST WANT TO SCRATCH IT AND PUT IN THERE WHAT WE WANT FOR ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT TO SAY THIS IS WHAT IT'S APPLICABLE TO.

HERE IS WHAT WE REQUIRE.

AND HERE'S OUR STOP WORK ORDER PROCESS, OUR VIOLATION PENALTIES PROCESS AND THEN PERMITTING PROCESSES OR WHATEVER THAT IS.

SOMEBODY WHOSE OPINION I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS STACY'S BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO BE THE ONE POTENTIALLY ISSUING THE CITATIONS.

SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE EXISTING PROCESS.

SHE MIGHT FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN TWEAKING OR LEAVING IN PLACE.

LIKE I SAID, WE CAN WE CAN LEAVE IN PLACE AND STRIKE THROUGH ANY SECTIONS IN CHAPTER ONE THAT ARE JUST NOT APPLICABLE TO US AT ALL AND JUST READ HERE'S THE VIOLATION PENALTIES.

WE EITHER LIKE HOW IT'S WRITTEN OR WE'LL REPLACE IT WITH LANGUAGE THAT WE WANT DO.

IS THAT ALL IN THE RC THE SAME WAY? DO WE STRIKE CHAPTER ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR ANYTHING? BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF IT'S BEEN INTERESTING BECAUSE I'VE DELVED INTO IT MORE RECENTLY BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS. AND PROBABLY SHOULD THINK ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WAS CHANGED OR AMENDED IN THERE, AND THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2002, IS WHEREVER IT HAD INSERT JURISDICTION, WE INSERTED CAROLINE COUNTY.

IT REALLY DIDN'T REVAMP ANY OF THE CHAPTER ONE, AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE IRC, THE ADMINISTRATION PART OF IT.

AND AS THE INSPECTORS, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ATTUNED TO FOLLOWING THAT PROCESS THAT'S IN THERE.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EITHER WAY.

I JUST WANT TO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO PROVIDED THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVE.

YEAH, I LIKE TO HAVE THINGS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF OUR TRADES, BECAUSE IT MAKES IT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING OVER HERE TO FOLLOW THIS STOP WORK ORDER PROCESS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE. RIGHT.

I'D MUCH RATHER SEE THAT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD, WHETHER IT'S USED WHAT'S IN THE INTERNATIONAL CODE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN OR SOMETHING ELSE YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WANTS TO DO.

SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT, WE REALLY NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED AS FAR AS WHEN WE WANT THE INSPECTIONS AND THE MANUAL DAYS AND ALL THAT.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE I GOT HERE WAS IS THERE

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WHO WROTE THIS? YOU WANT IT? NO, IT'S. IT'S NOT A BAD CODE.

IT'S JUST. AND THAT LOCKING CAPS.

BEEN IN THERE SINCE 2018.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE. YEAH, 17 OR 18? NO, I MEAN, I KNOW THE ELECTRICIANS IN THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, WITH WHATEVER THAT WAS IN THE ELECTRICAL CODE THAT WAS GIVING EVERYBODY HEARTBURN WITH THE. GFI OUTSIDE.

YEAH. THERE'S THERE'S NO EASTER EGGS LIKE THAT IN THE IMC.

THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M AFTER.

YEAH. IN THERE THAT THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA SCREAM AT THE COMMISSIONERS WHEN AND WELL KNOW THAT THE BIG THING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS WAS THE SPRINKLERS IN HOMES.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS IF WE HAVE AN ELECTRICAL INSPECTION, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE AN OUTLET WITHIN 25FT OF THE OUTDOOR UNIT.

NOW, ALMOST ALL THE AT LEAST OLDER OUTDOOR UNITS ARE WIRED WITH A TWO WIRE.

YOU CAN'T ADD AN OUTLET TO DISCONNECT WITH AN OUTLET IN IT, BECAUSE NOW YOU GOT NO NUCLEAR.

YOU GOT TO RUN A NEW WIRE TO IT TO GET YOUR GFI WITHIN 25FT OF THE OUTDOOR UNIT.

BECAUSE WE CAN'T PULL A 50 FOOT EXTENSION CORD, WE CAN ONLY USE A 25 FOOT DROP.

WHERE I TYPICALLY RATE THAT VIOLATION IS ON SINGLE AND DOUBLE WIDES, BECAUSE THEY PUT THE HVAC UNIT ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE 30FT AWAY FROM THE OUTLET OUTLET THAT'S ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

SO IT'S ELECTRICAL CODE VIOLATION TO HAVE THE RECEPTACLE THERE.

YEAH, I KNOW I GET THAT CALL AND I'M LIKE, OH MAN, COME ON. YEAH. MOVE THE UNIT DOWN FIVE FEET.

THE OTHER THING WHAT WHAT MOST JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING BACK TO THIS DUCTLESS DEAL.

YOU GOT A MULTI-HEADED DUCTLESS FOUR FOREHEADS IN THE HOUSE, BUT YOU GOT ONE OUTDOOR UNIT THAT'S CONSIDERED ONE UNIT.

THEY ALMOST EVERYBODY GOES BY THE OUTDOOR UNIT.

AND WHEN THEY GO BY EVERYWHERE YOU WERE. YEAH.

YOU WORK A BIGGER AREA THAN I DO.

WE IN OTHER AREAS WE DO ZONES, YOU KNOW.

SO SOMETIMES, LIKE OCEAN CITY, THEY'LL HAVE ZONES AND THEY'LL HAVE THAT LISTED LIKE. ONE CENTRAL OUTDOOR UNIT AND THEN FOUR ZONES.

THAT'S HOW I DO MY MANUAL JOBS.

YEAH. AND I THINK THEY TREAT TREATED THE SAME WAY WHETHER YOU'RE USING DAMPERS OR WHETHER IT'S MINI SPLITS INTO ZONES A ZONE.

YEAH. THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING IN CHAPTER ONE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT IS CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. ANY REQUESTS TO HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE MANUAL J WHERE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE ONE THAT, IS THERE ANY SORT OF DOCUMENT THAT YOU WANT SUBMITTED ARE THE HVAC.

IF IT'S A NEW. DO YOU WANT A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT THAT'S SIMPLY A TAKE THE FLOOR PLAN.

SHOW ME WHERE THE VESSEL IS GOING.

AND I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL YOU NEED? THE INSPECTOR NEEDS? IS THERE DO YOU LIKE DRAWING A DUCT WORKOUT? NO, I DO NOT. I DO NOT WANT THAT.

I DO NOT EITHER, BECAUSE TALBOT COUNTY, YOU GOT IT.

SUBMIT THE DUCTWORK PLAN.

AND THEN I SAID, HERE IT IS.

I WANT YOU TO GO RIGHT THERE AND LOOK AT IT NOW.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU RUN INTO ONE LITTLE BUILDING CHANGE AND YOU CAN'T PUT THE DUCTWORK IN LIKE IT'S ON THAT PLAN.

OH, YEAH. YOU THINK YOU'VE COMMITTED MURDER? WELL, I REALLY THINK THAT THEY WROTE THAT BACKWARDS.

IF THEY WANT A DUCTWORK PLAN, THEY SHOULD GET IT AFTER THE DUCTWORK WAS PUT IN AS BUILT. AND. YEAH.

AND AGAIN, AS BILL HEARS, HERE IT IS.

I WILL SAY WHERE I'D LIKE TO HAVE DUCK PLANS IS ON COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.

YEAH. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

YEAH. WHEN YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL AND YOU'VE GOT HOODS, HOOD SYSTEMS AND COMMERCIAL INSTALLATIONS NEED TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION.

I COULD SEE THAT. I MEAN, I COULD SEE THE SAME THING.

WELL, BECAUSE IT'S SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, A LAYOUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED. THE FLOOR PLAN AND KIND OF DRAW ON THE FLOOR PLAN.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOMEBODY AVOID GETTING A PERMIT AND DOING AN INSPECTION, TELL THEM YOU WANT A MANUAL S WITH EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY BE GOING WORKING AT NIGHT.

THEN SOMEBODY ACTUALLY SUBMITTED ONE OF THOSE. I WAS LIKE, WHO DID THAT? YEAH, I HATE THOSE THINGS.

AIN'T NONE OF THEM RIGHT? HAVE YOU EVER DONE ONE? I PROBABLY HATE THEM BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS. IT'S A IT'S A DUCTWORK LAYOUT THROUGH THE MANUAL SYSTEM.

WELL, NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU NEED 12 BY 14, DUCK. IT'LL HAVE YOU GOING EIGHT BY EIGHT.

IT WANTS LIKE A THREE INCH STATIC, YOU KNOW,

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I'M LIKE, WHOEVER SUBMITTED IT, HE'LL USE THOSE SIZES.

THAT REQUIRES IT TO GET THE ODDBALL SIZE WAS LIKE, I'VE HAD THEM CALL FOR A FOUR INCH SUPPLY DUCT TO A ROOM.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER DO IT.

I'VE NEVER PUT A FOUR INCH SUPPLY DUCT TO IT.

THEY MAKE DAMPERS FOR A REASON.

YEAH, YEAH. SO I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL.

YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING PROFESSIONAL.

THEY'RE GENERALLY GOING TO BE PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING MOST OF THE TIME ON COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.

YOU'RE GETTING ELECTRICAL. YES.

YOU HAVE. EXACTLY. YOU HAVE A DRAWING.

I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY.

BUT THE TOWN OF DENTON.

ANYTHING OVER 3000FT².

MDE DOES THE INSPECTION? ANYTHING UNDER 3000FT², THEY DO THEIR OWN INSPECTION.

AND IF IT'S A 3200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN TWO 1600 SQUARE FOOT FLOORS, THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED OVER 3000.

THEY WANT TO DO IT EVEN IF IT'S TWO SEPARATE SYSTEMS. SO ADAM, ON, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, IT'S SIMPLY A LAYOUT OF THE DUCTWORK SYSTEM.

AND YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SIZES AND VOLUME DAMPERS AND DAMPERS THAT.

YEAH. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALSO LIKE WE WE JUST MET WITH THE CITY OF SALISBURY FIRE MARSHAL YESTERDAY.

AND HIS BIG CONCERN WITH NOT HAVING PLAN REVIEWS IS THAT HE DOESN'T GET TO SEE ON HOODS AND VOLUMES AND ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST WORK WITH YOU ON AND SAY, HERE'S A CHECKLIST OF THINGS.

YEAH, WE'RE WE CAN LOOK FOR WHEN THEY'RE TAKING SOMETHING IN AND SAY, YEAH, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT A PLAN REVIEW CHECKLIST THAT WE'RE, WE'VE GIVEN OUT TO A FEW JURISDICTIONS THAT JUST HAVE THE BASE AND IT'S JUST THE BASIC STUFF. SO WE CAN VERIFY SIZES AND FLOW LOCATIONS.

I DO VERY LITTLE NEXT TO NO COMMERCIAL WORK, BUT ISN'T THAT DONE IN AN ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING OR A PLAN? OR.

IT IS NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT TYPICALLY IT IS SOMETIMES.

I MEAN, IF IT COULD BE A DESIGN BUILD JOB, I MEAN, THERE'S ONE RIGHT NOW I'M DEALING WITH IT'S AN AUTO MECHANIC SHOP AND IT'S DESIGN BUILD.

THERE'S NO PLANS. AND THEY WERE PULLING AIR OUT OF THE AUTO, OUT OF THE AUTO SHOP, PULLING IT INTO THE OFFICE.

IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL, NOW YOU'RE PULLING EXHAUST INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AND A PLANE.

A PLANE REVIEW WOULD CATCH THAT. IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO TAKE A NAP IN THE AFTERNOON.

I GUESS IT'S FINE, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE LAUREN AND CLAGGETT ENGINEERED THAT.

YEAH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A YOU KNOW YOU'RE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING TO CATCH IN THE COMMERCIAL WORLD.

YOU KNOW YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT CONDITIONED SPACES COMPARED TO OTHER SPACES MAYBE CLASSIFIED AREAS. YOU KNOW LOOKING FOR FOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

AND THE FIRE MARSHAL, YOU KNOW, HE HE IT WOULD GIVE HIM A LOT MORE, ESPECIALLY ON HOODS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE GET A LOT OF COMMERCIAL KITCHENS IN THE COUNTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE CHANCE THAT WE DO, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT LIKE DUCK TEST AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT NEED TO BE ESTABLISHED AND INSPECTED, THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WE DON'T THE FIRE MARSHAL, HE DOESN'T DO A DUCK TEST.

HE JUST DOESN'T WORK. WITH THE HOOD FAN, HE'S GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, DOESN'T MAKE UP AIR GO OFF AND THE EXHAUST STAY ON.

RIGHT. THEY DON'T DO THE LIGHT TEST NO MORE.

NO. AND OF COURSE, THAT THAT'S THAT WAS BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY TO WHERE SOME SOME PEOPLE ARE TELLING THEM.

THEY DO SOME PEOPLE HE SAID, WELL I DON'T DO THEM.

I'VE NEVER DONE THEM RIGHT.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES IN TALBOT COUNTY I HAVEN'T STOOD ON MY HEAD TO WELD A JOINT THAT I COULDN'T GET TO.

SO MAYBE TALBOT COUNTY'S GUYS DOING IT.

AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A STATEWIDE THING THAT EVERY FIRE MARSHAL'S DOING.

SO YEAH, IT'S ANYWAY, THOSE TYPE OF THAT'S THE CONCERNS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE FOR THE PLAN REVIEWS.

YEAH. THE OTHER ISSUE, OUTSIDE OF THE HVAC THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS IS REMOVING THE EXEMPTION FOR AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS FROM THE BUILDING CODE. WELL, THAT'S LIKE THAT'S LIKE A SEPARATE ISSUE, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST FINISH UP WITH THE HVAC AND MOVE ON TO THAT.

I MEAN, AT THIS POINT I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO I MEAN,

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I WOULD SAY WE WORKSHOP THIS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ON WHAT YOU PROPOSE.

WE'LL GET THAT IN WRITING IN THE FORM OF A STAFF REPORT AS TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS.

I MEAN, NOT IN AN ACTUAL BILL FORMAT OR NOTHING, BUT HERE ARE THE HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

WE CAN GET ON THE AGENDA FOR A WORKSHOP.

COME IN AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY'RE GOOD WITH IT. THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ACTUALLY PUTTING IT IN A.

SO IN THAT CASE DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE. OKAY. WE'LL JUST TAKE THIS DISCUSSION MATTER AND OKAY SO BE IT.

WHO'S UP FOR PRESENTING? I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONERS.

YOU SHOULD COME. YEAH, AS FAR AS THE HVAC.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF YOU TWO.

YES, I THINK JUST JUST BECAUSE I'M JUST AN ELECTRICIAN THAT MIGHT GET ASKED THAT YOU'RE THE EXPERTS ON. AND, YOU KNOW, IF ADAM'S EVEN AVAILABLE TO.

YEAH, I COULD, I COULD GO AND COME.

YEAH. WE'LL GET THE DATES AND EVERYTHING.

YEAH, I CAN HAVE MY MAIN PLAN REVIEWER COME AS WELL, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAN REVIEW. THAT'S FINE.

OH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO DO PLAN REVIEW EXCEPT FOR COMMERCIAL.

SO I MEAN WE GET VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMITS.

THAT'S UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.

AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAINLY GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR IS NOT TO BE OVERLY BURDENSOME TO THE CITIZENS IN TERMS OF FEES AND REGULATIONS.

SO THIS, THIS THIS GETS THE MINIMUM TO AT LEAST GET THE WORK INSPECTED.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING MORE THAN THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO WRITE WHAT YOU KNOW.

THE INSPECTOR NEEDS ON HIS END AND WHAT YOU KNOW.

ASSURANCE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS. AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS TO WELL, I GUESS THE OTHER THING, ADAM, I WOULD BE PREPARED TO ASK WAS, WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST? THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO COME UP IS WHAT'S THIS GOING TO COST? SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED JUST TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN IDEA WHEN WE GET ASKED IS WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR? AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR OTHER JURISDICTIONS YOU'VE ALREADY SET UP. BUT YEAH, REPLACEMENT OR REPLACEMENT REPLACEMENT UNIT, YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IF SOMEBODY'S GETTING READY TO SPEND $20,000 PUT EATING THEIR IN THEIR HOUSE, WHAT'S 20 TO $100 PERMIT ENFORCING AN ENERGY CODE AND YOU'RE MISSING INSPECTING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. THE PART OF IT.

THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE. SO, OKAY, I GUESS WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT SUBJECT. THEN WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE UPCOMING TUESDAY THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GETTING ON THE AGENDA FOR.

I KNOW THE COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT MEETING WHAT THE LAST TWO WEEKS WILL BE SPENT OVER CHRISTMAS WEEKEND BECAUSE YES, IT THE FIFTH TUESDAY THEY NEVER MEET.

OKAY. THE THE THIRD TUESDAY.

IS THAT IT OR IS THAT THE FIFTH WEEK? I THINK THAT IS TWO TWO WEEKS BACK TO BACK TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, I WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN I HAVE THE STATE BOARD MEETING.

OUTSIDE THAT, ANY OTHER TUESDAY, I'M OPEN.

ARE THEY STILL IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON? YOU'RE CORRECT.

NO MEETINGS ON THE 23RD OR THE 29TH.

I'M SORRY. 30TH. WHAT ABOUT NOVEMBER? NOVEMBER IS ALMOST OVER.

IT JUST STARTED. MATTER OF FACT, NEXT WEEK.

IS IT NOW? YEAH. NEXT WEEK.

IS IT? AS FAR AS TUESDAYS? YES. ONE MONTH OF TUESDAYS WAS JUST THIS TUESDAY.

THE ONLY TUESDAY. I THINK THEY DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING.

NO. THEY MEET THERE'S TWO.

THERE'S TWO MORE TUESDAYS IN NOVEMBER. YOU'RE RIGHT. NEXT.

NEXT ONE IS THE THIRD TUESDAY.

WELL, YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S NEXT TUESDAY.

YEAH. YEAH. SO I COULDN'T DO THAT.

AND THEN THE 25TH RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING THAT I COULD DO.

BUT I COULDN'T DO THE. WHAT ABOUT THE WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING? WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? I WAS GONNA.

THAT'S THE 2ND OF DECEMBER.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT'S IN DECEMBER. I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH.

IT'S THE END OF THE MONTH. IN THE END OF THE MONTH. PROBABLY GETS A LITTLE CHALLENGING WITH THE HOLIDAYS IS DECEMBER 2ND.

DO WE WAIT FOR THAT FOR RIGHT NOW?

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YEAH. YEAH I'M GOOD. YEAH I'M GOOD.

STEWART THAT WORK? YES.

OKAY, I'LL GET WITH JEN AND GET US A SPOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SECOND MEETING.

START AT NINE. SO. AND THAT'S AT COURTHOUSE.

CORRECT? I SEE HOW CLOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.

I CAN GET YOU GUYS IN AND GET OUT.

I KNOW YOU SAT THROUGH THE LAST ONE, ADAM.

YEAH, WE WERE THERE ALL DAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WILL I NEED TO DRAFT ANYTHING? CRYSTAL? YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO DRAFT UP WHAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY IN A FORM OF A STATUTE.

WELL. THAT'S GOOD. WE'LL MOVE ON TO GIVE THAT TO THE BOARD AHEAD OF TIME.

I GUESS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE TITLE SIX,

[Title 6]

THAT'S WHERE I FINALLY CLEARED UP THAT WHOLE ELECTRICIANS ACT FROM 2021.

SO PREVIOUSLY WHEN THE ELECTRICIANS ACT CAME OUT, EVERYTHING WAS SO CONFUSING, YOU KNOW? SO IT BASICALLY LOOKED LIKE THE STATE HAD COMPLETE CONTROL AND WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING.

RIGHT. OKAY. THEY FINALLY IN TITLE SIX, THEY CLARIFIED THAT NOW.

AND IT'S I THINK IT'S IN SECTION 103 WHERE THEY SAY, OKAY, LET ME LET ME PULL IT UP CUZ I GOT A COPY OF IT HERE.

IT'S TO GENEVA. THE HIGHLIGHT IS YES, IN TITLE SIX 103 IT SAYS THIS TITLE DOES NOT AFFECT THE RIGHT OF ANY LOCAL JURISDICTION OF THE STATE TO REGULATE LOCALLY THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF WORK OF A PERSON WHO ENGAGES IN THE BUSINESS OF PROVIDING ELECTRICAL SERVICES BY ESTABLISHING A SYSTEM OF REGISTRATIONS, PERMITS, FEES AND INSPECTIONS.

SO THERE IT IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE WE CAN DO THAT WHERE BEFORE I THINK THERE WAS THERE WAS NO CLARITY ON WHETHER WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

I THINK YOU COULD STILL REGISTER, REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO REGISTER OR YOU COULD YOU CAN'T LICENSE CORRECT REGISTRATION, NOT A LICENSE.

THAT'S I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION WAS CAN WE DENY SOME? I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD IN THE PAST WAS WHETHER WE COULD DENY SOMEBODY A PERMIT, A PERMIT THAT WAS INSPECTION OR ANYTHING IF THEY WERE LICENSED BY THE STATE, UNLESS THE STATE HAD TAKEN ACTION AGAINST THEIR LICENSE, WE COULDN'T DENY THEM.

BUT THIS IS TELLING YOU THAT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN REQUIRE PERMITS.

YOU REQUIRE REGISTRATION.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE REGISTERED IN ORDER TO GET PERMIT JURISDICTION.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION.

IS IF WE HAD A REGISTRATION PROCESS AND WE GRANTED SOMEBODY A REGISTRATION TO WORK IN CAROLINE COUNTY AND WE REVOKED THEIR REGISTRATION, ARE WE STILL REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THEM WITH AN INSPECTION OF THEIR WORK? IF THE STATE HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION AGAINST THEIR LICENSE, DEPENDS ON HOW YOU INTERPRET THIS NEW LANGUAGE, BECAUSE IT SAYS THE LOCAL JURISDICTION DOES HAVE A RIGHT TO REGULATE LOCALLY THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF WORK.

I WOULD SAY NO IF THEY AREN'T.

IF YOU REVOKE YOUR LICENSE AND THE STATE HADN'T DONE NOTHING, THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING WORK HERE UNTIL THEY MAKE RIGHT.

WE'LL SEE IF IF WE IF WE REVOKE THEIR LICENSE, THEN WE'RE WE'RE ENTITLED TO REPORT THAT TO THE STATE.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT THAT TO THE STATE.

AND I THINK ACTUALLY WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE IN.

THE NEXT THING ON MOLATE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. REVOKED OUR REGISTRATION. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LET THE STATE KNOW THAT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN, AND THEN THE STATE CAN THEN TAKE FURTHER ACTION OR SAY, OKAY, WHAT YOU DID WAS GOOD ENOUGH BECAUSE I, I'M AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I'M THE CHAIRMAN, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE BOARD COMPLAINTS COMMITTEE. AND WE ACTUALLY AND IT HASN'T BEEN FOLLOWED UP ON BUT WE GOT A

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BUT THE STATE BOARD WOULD TAKE ACTION ON THEIR STATEWIDE ON A STATEWIDE LICENSE, CORRECT, WHETHER IN TERMS OF A SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OR A FINE OR SMACK ON THE WRIST, WHATEVER. AND I'VE BEEN KIND OF DRIVING ON THIS ONE.

THIS IS KIND OF MY LITTLE PET PROJECT BECAUSE AND I'M SEEING THIS ON THE STATE LEVEL.

THERE ARE SO MANY GUYS OUT HERE, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A JOURNEYMAN'S LICENSE TO WORK.

THESE GUYS ARE STARTING THEIR OWN BUSINESSES NOW BECAUSE I'VE GOT A LICENSE.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF THESE GUYS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN BUSINESS FOR THEMSELVES DOING WORK, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A LICENSE. THEY DON'T HAVE A LICENSE TO PULL PERMITS.

THEY'RE WORKING ILLEGALLY.

THEY'RE NOT WORKING UNDER THE DIRECTION OF A MASTER, BUT THEY KNOW A GUY. IF I NEED A PERMIT, I GOT A GUY. AND IT'S HAPPENING A LOT.

IT'S HAPPENING A LOT RIGHT HERE. BUT HOW WOULD WE CONTROL THAT? SO LET'S JUST SAY, AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THE SITUATION, HOW WOULD YOU CONTROL.

I'M TRYING TO CONTROL IF SOMEONE CAME INTO OUR OFFICE TO FILE, WHETHER IT'S FOR PERMIT OR REGISTRATION OR NOT, PERMIT OR INSPECTION. BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST DO INSPECTIONS.

SO THEY COME IN AND THEY FILE A REQUEST FOR INSPECTION.

AND IT'S SIGNED BY THE THE MASTER ELECTRICIAN, HOWEVER, WE KNOW IS A JOURNEYMAN THAT THIS GUY'S PULLING IT FOR HIM TO DO IT.

HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO REGULATE THAT, EXCEPT FOR SOMEBODY BEING ON THE JOB THAT ONLY SEES THE JOURNEYMAN THERE? AND IS THAT A VIOLATION OF THE STATE? LIKE THE MASTER HAS TO BE PRESENT OR HE HAS TO BE HE HAS TO BE AVAILABLE BY PHONE, BY BEING AVAILABLE BY PHONE.

MAKES HIM AVAILABLE. RIGHT.

SO DOES THAT PREVENT IT? IS HAVING A REGISTRATION GOING TO PREVENT THAT? NO, BECAUSE NOTHING'S GOING TO PREVENT IT 100%.

THE THING IS IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE PROCESS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE'RE CRACKING DOWN ON THIS.

TO THE POINT THAT AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO COMPLETELY SQUASH IT, BUT GUYS ARE GETTING FINED AND THEY'RE GETTING FINED BIG TIME.

THAT ENOUGH? ENOUGH TO THE POINT THAT THE WORD'S GOING TO GET OUT, THAT IT'S GOING TO STOP A LOT OF IT. IT'S NOT GOING 100%.

STOP IT. WHAT? LOL 100% STOPS ANYTHING.

I JUST THINK IT'S MORE OF A DETERRENT.

IT WILL HELP. IT'S GOING TO KEEP SOME OF THOSE GUYS THE SAME THING WITH THE HVAC GUYS.

ONCE YOU START MAKING THEM HAVE TO DO THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO STOP DOING THAT WORK HERE.

IS IT STILL GOING TO HAPPEN? YEAH, IT'S STILL GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT IT'S GOING TO SLOW A LOT OF THAT DOWN FOR THE SAME REASON. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE HVAC STUFF TO STOP BECAUSE THERE'S EVEN SOME DISCREPANCY AT THE STATE LEVEL. WE'RE STILL WORKING, TRYING TO IRON ALL THIS OUT.

BUT THERE'S TWO LEVELS OF MASTER ELECTRICIANS.

THERE'S A MASTER ELECTRICIAN, AND THERE'S A QUALIFIED AGENT, A QUALIFIED AGENT, STILL A MASTER ELECTRICIAN, LIKE I'M A QUALIFIED AGENT.

IF YOU LOOK ME UP, IT DOESN'T SAY MASTER ELECTRICIAN.

IT SAYS QUALIFIED AGENT.

I'M A QUALIFIED AGENT FOR ADEX ELECTRICAL, MY COMPANY THAT LICENSES MY COMPANY, MY EMPLOYEES, TO WORK FOR ME.

WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS.

AND I HAVE THE LIST. I'M A QUALIFIED AGENT FOR ADEX ELECTRICAL.

WELL, IF AIR DOESN'T HAVE HIS LICENSE AND DECIDES HE WANTS TO USE ME TO PULL HIS PERMITS, TECHNICALLY, I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I CAN ONLY PULL PERMITS FOR ADEX ELECTRICAL.

I'M THE SAME WAY. I'M QUALIFIED AGENT, NOT FOR AIR TICKET.

AND WE'RE FINDING NOW THERE'S A LOT OF THESE GUYS OUT THERE, THESE QUALIFIED AGENTS THAT HE'S HE'S PULLING PERMITS FOR HIS COMPANY AND URS COMPANY AND ADAM'S COMPANY AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS.

NOW, A GUY THAT JUST HAS A MASTER'S LICENSE, THAT ONE'S STILL A LITTLE SKETCHY BECAUSE THERE'S NO TECHNICALLY, HE'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO PULL PERMITS FOR HIS WORKER. NOT ANYBODY ELSE.

NO EMPLOYEES, JUST HIS WORK.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE STILL WORKING AT AT THE STATE LEVEL. BUT I REALLY THINK THAT I THINK WE SHOULD MONITOR THIS STUFF BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING HERE.

AND IN MORE THAN ONE OCCASION THAT I KNOW ABOUT.

AND YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED ONE OF THOSE.

YEAH. AND IT'S KIND OF I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S HOW DO YOU DETER THAT? BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REQUEST THE INSPECTION.

THE GUY WHO'S DOING IT FOR HIM COULD NOT CONTINUE TO SIGN THE PAPERWORK AND SEND IT IN. AND UNLESS SOMEBODY REPORTS SEEING THAT PERSON ON THE JOB THAT'S IN OUR KITCHENS,

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WAIT A MINUTE. THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY QUESTIONABLE.

BUT MOST OF THE TIME, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SEE THEY'RE NOT THERE WHEN YOU COME.

WHAT? WHAT HAPPENED? WE'RE THERE WHEN THEY CALL FOR AN INSPECTION.

AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE CONTRACTOR OR THE ELECTRICIAN, PLUMBER OR WHOEVER IT IS THERE.

WHAT? WHAT I WHERE I SEE IT EFFECTIVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF SOMETHING IN PLACE.

YOU KNOW, THE STATE DOESN'T REQUIRE INSPECTIONS.

THERE'S NO STATE REQUIREMENT FOR INSPECTIONS.

THERE'S NO STATE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE INSPECTION. IT'S ALL THE COUNTY'S.

IT'S ALL LOCAL. SO, YOU KNOW, IN A STATE LIKE LET'S JUST USE DELAWARE FOR AN EXAMPLE. THEY HAVE WRITTEN INTO THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS, ALL OF THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT SAYS THAT A MASTER MUST BE ON SITE, YOU KNOW, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT MARYLAND HAS AND WHERE THAT THAT TEETH COMES INTO PLAY IS WHEN THERE'S A FILED COMPLAINT FROM A CITIZEN.

SO THEY, THEY SAY, I HAD A GENERATOR PUT IN MY HOUSE AND ALL THAT WAS ON SITE WAS TWO APPRENTICES. THERE WAS NO JOURNEYMAN ON SITE.

AND THEN THAT THAT BOARD ACTIVELY GOES AFTER AND FINDS THE LICENSE HOLDER.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'VE SEEN IT ACTUALLY BE USED.

TO THE ADVANTAGE IS TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY WE DON'T HAVE HOW DO YOU IMPOSE FINES ON ANYBODY? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD.

THE ONLY WAY WE DID IT BEFORE WAS BECAUSE IF YOU HAD A LICENSE.

RIGHT. SO IF YOU HAD A REGISTRATION YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, RIGHT NOW, IF WE, IF YOU, IF WE DECIDE IN THE COUNTY THAT ERIC SMITH CAN'T PULL PERMITS ANYMORE BECAUSE HE HAD VIOLATIONS THAT HE NEVER CORRECTED.

HOW DO WE DO THAT? YEAH, WE HAVE TO DO THE STATE.

YOU JUST. AND REPORT OR CAN YOU MAKE A LIST AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND JUST SAY THIS PERSON CAN'T GET A PERMIT ANYMORE? THE COUNTY SAYS, WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE REFUSING TO ISSUE YOU A PERMIT BECAUSE OF SHODDY WORK. WELL, I MEAN, IF IF I SENT HIM A VIOLATION REPORT IN OUR REGULATIONS, THERE'S I'M PRETTY SURE SOME STATEMENT IN THERE SAYS THAT IT HAS TO BE CORRECTED IN SO MANY DAYS, YOU KNOW, SO HE ENDS UP WITH AN OPEN PERMIT BECAUSE HE NEVER HE'S STILL GOT AN OPEN PERMIT, RIGHT. THAT NEVER WAS CLOSED OUT BECAUSE HE HAD OPEN VIOLATIONS.

THE COUNTY JUST SAYS WE CAN'T ISSUE HIM ANOTHER PERMIT UNTIL YOU GET THAT CORRECTED.

I MEAN, AT SOME POINT AT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LET'S JUST SAY, ON A NEW BUILD AND YOU'VE GOT AN HVAC VIOLATION OR PLUMBING OR WHATEVER.

THEY DON'T CORRECT IT WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. THEY'RE GETTING A VIOLATION OF THIS FROM THE COUNTY TO SAY YOU'RE EITHER CONTINUING TO WORK WITHOUT PROPER INSPECTIONS, AND WE GO DOWN THAT COURSE RIGHT AWAY FROM CITATION AND COURT IF WE HAVE TO.

THAT WOULD BE OUR, YOU KNOW, MECHANISM BECAUSE THEY HAVE WELL, SEE, THE THE GUY WITH THE LICENSE, THE GUY WITH THE LICENSE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT. THE GUY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LICENSE, HE'S JUST GOING TO RUN. YEAH.

AND JUST GO DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S A FACT. I MEAN, HOW MANY LICENSED GUYS DO YOU KNOW THAT DON'T? WHETHER THAT'S A PLUMBER, ELECTRICIAN THAT DON'T TAKE CARE OF IT BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.

THESE OTHER GUYS, THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO ANYHOW. SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO RUN IT BECAUSE THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS, IS TRY THEM CRIMINALLY. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AT THE STATE YOU'RE WEARING WITHOUT A LICENSE. IN THE STATE, YOU GET FINED CRIMINALLY.

WE SEND IT UP TO PRE-CHARGE AND STATE TAKES IT STEWART.

COURSE OF ACTION. IF WE HAVE A REGISTRATION PROCESS, FIND SOMEBODY WORKING WITHOUT A REGISTRATION.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, IT SAYS THE WATTS 103 SAYS IS THE LOCAL JURISDICTION HAS THE RIGHT TO REGULATE LOCALLY THE QUALITY OF THE WORK OF SOMEONE PROVIDING ELECTRICAL SERVICES IN THE COUNTY BY ESTABLISHING, IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD CREATE A SYSTEM OF REGISTRATIONS, PERMITS, FEES AND INSPECTIONS.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND ALSO, BY THE WAY, IT CREATES A LOT MORE WORK FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU ARE THE BOARD THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY THE ENFORCERS OF THIS.

SO AS LONG AS EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR EYES OPEN.

THE WAY YOU CATCH PEOPLE IS, I SUPPOSE, RANDOM INSPECTIONS, LIKE, WHAT WOULD A PROCESS LOOK LIKE? WOULD WE HAVE TO SET UP, YOU KNOW, LIKE, HOW DO WE GET THAT PERSON IN

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AND THEN YOU SAY, HERE'S WHAT REGISTRATION CONSISTS OF A, B, C, D, E, F, G. AND HERE'S THE COST FOR REGISTRATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE PERHAPS A FULL TIME INSPECTOR OR PART TIME INSPECTOR WHO'S GOING TO GO OUT, EVEN IF IT'S NOT TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE ELECTRICAL WORK, BUT IT'S TO SAY WHERE'S THE LICENSEE? AND SO AT LEAST YOU'RE HAVING THEM FILL OUT A PIECE OF PAPER UNDER PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHO I'M WORKING UNDER, HERE'S HIS LICENSE NUMBER, PHONE NUMBER. YOU CAN CHECK AND CONFIRM IF I'M NOT AN ACTUAL LICENSEE MYSELF.

I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT TOUGH.

THE STATE IS ALLOWING YOU TO DO THAT.

THE ONLY THING YOU CAN'T DO TO THAT GUY IS REVOKE HIS STATE ISSUED LICENSE.

BUT YOU CAN PROHIBIT HIM FROM OPERATING IN YOUR YOUR COUNTY.

THAT'S WHAT THIS SECTION 103 SAYS.

AND THEN ONCE ONCE YOU GO TO THAT PART, ONCE YOU PROHIBIT FROM WORKING IN YOUR COUNTY, WE WE'RE REQUIRED TO REPORT THAT TO THE STATE THAT WE'VE GOT THIS LICENSE AND THIS THIS GUY HERE, HE DID THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE DID.

AND THEN THE STATE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STATE DEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REVOKE HIS STATE LICENSE OR OR SUSPEND HIM, FINED HIM PENALTY, WHATEVER.

YEAH. THAT'S REALLY WHAT.

AND IN ESSENCE, THAT'S WHAT THE STATE WANTS US TO DO ANYHOW.

BECAUSE THIS IS OUR SECTION OF THE STATE.

THEY WANT US TO POLICE THIS SECTION OF THE STATE FOR THEM.

I MEAN, WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO.

AND HOW WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE THIS NEW ORDINANCE? YOU HAVE TO DO AN ADVERTISEMENT.

WELL, YOU MEAN ONCE THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALREADY PASSED IT? OF COURSE, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S ADVERTISED, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE STAR DEMOCRAT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS THE NOTICE OF ENACTMENT OF A NEW LAW.

SO YOU BROADCAST IT AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND JUST STICK IT IN FACEBOOK NOTICES, SOCIAL MEDIA THE STAR DEMOCRAT THE CAROLINE REVIEW NOTICE, YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC BE AWARE THAT WHEN YOU HIRE SOMEONE TO DO ELECTRICAL WORK THERE IS A REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT.

SO YOU SHOULD ASK TO SEE THAT THE PERSON IS REGISTERED TO PROVIDE ELECTRICAL.

THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. YOU BASICALLY HAVE HARRY HOMEOWNER BECOMING A LITTLE MORE AWARE OF, DO I WANT TO FLY BY NIGHT OR DO I WANT A GUY THAT'S ACTUALLY REGISTERED WHO'S NOT GOING TO BE BREAKING THE LAW BY COMING OUT HERE? WELL, I, I TOLD HIM AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHILE I WASN'T COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THE MARYLAND ELECTRICIANS ACT, THE THING IS, WAS WHEN THEY ISSUED THESE GUYS JOURNEYMAN LICENSE. NOW THEY CAN, KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY, TO SET THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WHEN THE GUY SAYS, DO YOU HAVE A LICENSE? WELL, YEAH, I GOT A LICENSE.

THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL THE GUY'S GOING TO KNOW. WHEN JOE PUBLIC ASKED, ARE YOU LICENSED? YEAH.

I'M LICENSED. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY, OH, IT'S JUST THE JOURNEYMAN'S OR WHAT, A JOURNEYMAN. ALL I CAN DO EVERYTHING BUT PULL A PERMIT.

I KNOW IF WE FIND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A PROCESS FOR WHAT THE PENALTY IS. DOES IT NEED TO COME BEFORE A BOARD TO SAY YES? YOU DID INDEED, YOU KNOW, VIOLATE THE LAW.

SO, YEAH, I MEAN, THEY'VE GIVEN US THE OUTLINE HERE OF WHAT WE CAN DO.

WE GOT TO DO SOMEBODY, FIRST OF ALL, SOME OTHER JURISDICTION MIGHT HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN A JUMP ON THIS. WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THEY'VE DONE IT, OR WE CAN INVENT THE WHEEL OURSELVES.

BUT IN THAT NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC OUT THERE IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND NEWSPAPER, WHATEVER, EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID SHOULD BE A SENTENCE OR TWO IN THAT NOTICE, WHICH IS HERE'S WHAT A JOURNEYMAN CAN DO.

HOWEVER, HERE ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT HE HAS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WORKING UNDER THE.

SO YOU SHOULD DEMAND I HATE TO SAY IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR SOLAR, BUT WHEN WE SEND OUT THAT WARNING TO FARMERS ABOUT LEASING TO SOLAR, THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU SHOULD DO BEFORE YOU HIRE AN ELECTRICIAN OF ANY SORT IN CAROLINE COUNTY A, B C D LIKE A MIRANDA WARNINGS, RIGHT? THAT'S. AND YOU PUT THAT OUT THERE AND LEAVE IT OUT THERE AND REPEAT IT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU YOU EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND EVEN THE GUYS THAT ARE FLY BY

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WHAT'S MY EXPLANATION GOING TO BE WHEN I SHOW UP AT SOME WORK SITE AND THE GUY SAYS, YOU REGISTERED CAROLINE COUNTY, WHAT'S YOUR REGISTRATION NUMBER? WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE A PHONE NUMBER FOR YOUR OFFICE THAT SAYS, CALL HERE TO SEE IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY REGISTERED, AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY WILL BE BREAKING THE LAW BY DOING YOUR WORK.

WELL, YOU JUST HAD THAT PROBLEM IN GREENSBORO.

YOU HAD THE SOLAR. SOLAR PROJECT.

YEAH, WELL, NONE OF THOSE GUYS HAD ANY.

THEY WEREN'T REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND, AND THEY HAD A MASTER ELECTRICIAN THAT HAD A MARYLAND MASTER HE'S IN MASSACHUSETTS.

SO HE HAS A MARYLAND MASTER, BUT HE'S NOWHERE IN THE STATE.

HE PULLED THE PERMIT AND THERE'S NO ACTIVE JOURNEYMAN ON SITE.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST DAY TO GO THERE, I SAID, ALL RIGHT, WELL, WHO'S THE JOURNEYMAN? BECAUSE THAT'S WHO. I'M JUST MY CONTACT.

YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, I NEED TO TALK TO THE GUY WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON? LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY DREAM IN HERE.

ALRIGHT, WELL. TIME OUT.

SO THEN THEY ALL APPLIED TO GET LICENSES AT MARYLAND, YOU KNOW, AND IT TAKES FIVE MINUTES TO GET TO GET APPRENTICE.

THERE. SO THEY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, IN THE MEANTIME THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT GUYS THAT ARE JOURNEYMEN THAT THEY'VE HIRED AND FIRED AND HIRED AND FIRED AND YOU KNOW, SO IT'S BUT YEAH.

YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S A WHOLE THAT'S A WHOLE INDUSTRY OF GUYS COMING FROM OUT OF STATE THAT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OUR STATE REGULATIONS ARE, LET ALONE OUR LOCAL AND ON THE STATE LEVEL, THE THE WAY THE PROCESS GOES IS A, A COMPLAINT COMES IN AND THEN IT'S TURNED OVER TO AN INVESTIGATOR.

NOW THAT'S GETTING A LITTLE WE DON'T NEED AN INVESTIGATOR STATES BIG PLACE A LOT SMALLER.

BUT THE INVESTIGATOR HE DOES ALL THE INVESTIGATION.

HE LOOKS UP. DOES THE GUY HAVE A LICENSE? HE PULLS EVERYTHING UP.

HE HE CONDUCTS INTERVIEWS WITH THE COMPLAINANT, WITH THE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING COMPLAINT AGAINST.

HE DOES ALL THAT. THEN IT COMES TO THE COMPLAINT COMMITTEE AND HE BASICALLY GIVES US A SYNOPSIS. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.

AND THEN THE COMMITTEE DECIDES WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WE HAVE COUNCIL THERE, AND MOST OF THEM, IF WE DEEM IT'S A CIVIL COMPLAINT, A MONEY ISSUE, THAT'S A CIVIL COMPLAINT.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THAT.

BUT IF IT'S A LICENSED UNLICENSED TYPE DEAL, THEY SEND IT UP TO PRE-CHARGE.

AND WHAT HAPPENS TO IT? A LOT OF TIMES AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW. WE DID ACTUALLY, I GUESS IN A SENSE WE DO KNOW BECAUSE TWO MONTHS AGO, WE COLLECTED LIKE $5,000 IN CONSENT AGREEMENTS.

IT'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU PAY THIS MUCH MONEY AND THIS GOES AWAY.

DEAL. BASICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO FIND YOU $1,500.

YOU PAY US $1,500, IT'S DONE.

YOU DON'T PAY THIS $1,500, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TO COURT AND WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU CRIMINALLY. WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO BUILD HOUSES IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S POCKET.

IT'S ENOUGH THAT. HE'S GOT A LICENSE NOW UNDER HIS NEW WIFE'S NAME AND DOING THE SAME THING HE ACTUALLY DID GO GET A LICENSE, BUT.

IT'S UNDER HIS WIFE'S NAME.

I HAVE A QUESTION. AS PART OF THE REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR CAROLINE COUNTY, ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE PROOF OF INSURANCE? YES. YES. BECAUSE THAT THERE AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.

AND THIS CAME UP HERE IN CAROLINE COUNTY.

HAPPENED TO HAPPEN ON THE DAY OF ONE OF MY STATE BOARD MEETINGS.

ADAM CALLED ME ABOUT A PLACE HE WAS GOING TO INSPECT, AND IT WAS ONE OF THESE GUYS.

THIS GUY HAD A HE HAD HIS OWN ELECTRICAL COMPANY.

HE HAD AN APPRENTICE LICENSE.

BUT HE HAD ANOTHER GUY THAT PULLED THE PERMITS FOR HIM, THE GUY THAT WAS PULLING THE PERMITS FOR HIM.

I WAS TALKING TO CHARLES MARQUETTE AT THE, IN THE STATE BOARD MEETING.

BROUGHT THIS GUY UP. HE DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE BUT HE WAS HE WAS HE HAD AN ACTIVE LICENSE, WAS PULLING PERMITS AND DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE.

SO WE ISSUED LICENSES TO PEOPLE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK IT UP ON THE STATE BOARD, BECAUSE I DON'T GET A PAPER COPY OF MY LICENSE.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATE BOARD, IT SAYS INSURANCE WORK. YES.

YEP. AND THIS GUY, WHEN YOU PULLED HIM UP, IT SAID NOT INSURED.

THAT'S JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER I DON'T THINK WE NEED. LIKE I SAID, MY LICENSE SAYS IT. AND IN ORDER FOR YOU GUYS TO GIVE ME A REGISTRATION, YOU HAVE TO PULL MY STATE LICENSE AND LOOK AT IT.

IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE.

SO WHY DO WE NEED TO TURN A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE? BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? EVERY COUNTY, EVERY TOWN, HALF THE CONTRACTOR WOULD WORK FOR.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, AT LEAST FROM MY ELECTRICAL REGISTRATIONS,

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INSURANCE COMPANIES NEVER NOTIFIED UNLESS YOU WERE LISTED AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED.

AND THEN YOU MIGHT GET NOTIFICATION OF A LAPSE OF INSURANCE OR CANCELLATION.

BUT MOST OF THE TIME YOU DON'T EVEN GET THE NOTIFICATION. I'M NOT SAYING I'M HIRED TO GET FROM THE INSURANCE, I CAN BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT IF SOME OF THESE LICENSING REGISTRATIONS ARE TWO YEARS, MY INSURANCE EXPIRES EVERY MONTH DECEMBER 23RD.

I'M NOT SENDING YOU A CERTIFICATE INSURANCE UNTIL I RENEW MY LICENSE, UNLESS YOU CALL ME WHEN I GO TO GET A PERMIT AND SAY, HEY, WE NOTICED WE DON'T HAVE A UP TO DATE CERTIFICATE INSURANCE.

WELL, OKAY, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DETER ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO AS THE BOARD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE CHARGED YOU WITH, IS US TO ADVISE THEM IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE TRADES AND AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO COME UP IN DOING REGISTRATION, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIME DOES IT TAKE? WHAT STAFF TIME DOES IT TAKE, WHAT COST DOES IT TAKE TO SET UP THIS PROCESS.

BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO ESTABLISH A PROCESS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

WHATEVER OUR PROCEDURES ARE GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR REGISTRATION, WHAT, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, IF YOU'RE FOUND TO NOT BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITHOUT A REGISTRATION, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO INTERNALLY? BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO GET OUR SOFTWARE COMPANY TO SET UP A REGISTRATION PROCESS IN OUR SYSTEM TO DO IT. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

SO DO YOU WANT TO DELAY A THIS OR I GET WHAT.

WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT OUR WORKSHOP AND WE DID AND OKAY, SO SO BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THIS WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

YES, THIS IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.

EVEN IF THEY APPROVED IT TOMORROW, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN MONDAY.

OKAY. MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS GET THIS BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS GET THEM TO SAY YES.

I SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

LET'S DO THAT. BUT LET'S GIVE THEM A WINDOW OF TIME, WHETHER IT'S A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTED.

SO IT MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS YEAR, BUT NEXT YEAR.

OR IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET ALL THAT SET UP. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO PRESENT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME EASY CODE LANGUAGE TO DO? REQUIREMENT OF INSPECTIONS COME BACK LATER WITH HERE'S THE CODE LANGUAGE NOW WHICH WILL ESTABLISH ALL THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES FOR THE REGISTRATION COMPONENT.

OR TRY TO DO THIS ALL IN ONE THING, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE LONGER TO DO.

AS FAR AS GETTING IT ESTABLISHED OR GETTING THEM TO APPROVE IT.

WELL, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE OF EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

TO PRESENT TO THEM. MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, AND THIS IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS AFTER MEETING WITH CRYSTAL AND GENEVA THE OTHER WEEK, WAS THAT WE GET ALL THIS ON THERE.

WE WANT THE HVAC REGISTRATIONS, WE WANT HVAC INSPECTIONS, ELECTRICAL REGISTRATIONS, AND WHATEVER ELSE WE MAY DECIDE.

THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THESE THINGS.

AND IF THE COMMISSIONERS SAY, WELL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING BUT THIS AND THEY STRIKE THAT OFF, SO BE IT.

THEY SHOULD TAKE IT A STEP FORWARD. YES. YOU'RE NOT TAKING ANY STEPS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT.

I'M NOT GETTING ANYTHING. AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. THEY MIGHT GO SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE'LL AGREE WITH ALL THAT AND SIGN OFF ON IT ALL, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. NOW WE JUST GOT TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THEY TOLD US THAT WE CAN DO. THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.

FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS NOW. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT LONGER THAN THAT. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING AT. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ELECTRICAL REGISTRATIONS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS EITHER.

WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT INSPECTIONS WHEN MATT GRAYSON WAS A COMMISSIONER.

YES. ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

AND WE HAD A LICENSING PROCESS AT ONE TIME.

SO IT BASICALLY JUST EXCHANGED LICENSE FOR REGISTRATION.

AND THAT PROCESS IS HAVE WE OUR LANGUAGE WAS SO OUTDATED.

WELL, RIGHT. BUT LET ME ASK YOU THAT BECAUSE ON THAT AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS A WHILE AGO, HAS THAT BEEN COMPLETELY STRICKEN OR DOES IT STILL EXIST? STILL EXIST. SO ACTUALLY WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE THAT AND REFINE IT.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT AND REFINE IT. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO GET COMMISSIONERS INVOLVED IN GETTING IT UP? GET THE LANGUAGE UP THERE. YES, YES, YOU STILL DO THE CHANGE.

RIGHT NOW IT JUST SAYS, WOULD YOU CHANGE IT TO REGISTRATION?

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HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN GOING? HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN GOING? YOU ARE. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHEN HE WAS HERE.

OH, YEAH. YOU'RE GOING BACK A WAYS.

BUT THAT WAS NOT REGISTRATION.

THAT WAS HVAC INSPECTIONS.

YEAH, INSPECTIONS. WE HAVE.

WE STARTED ALL THIS PROCESS BACK THEN.

ABSOLUTELY. SO LET'S TAKE WHAT WE CAN GET.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT AND ASK FOR EVERYTHING COMING IN AND ASKING FOR INSPECTIONS. MAKE IT SIMPLE.

I THINK IF WE COME IN AND ASK FOR EVERYTHING WITH LINE ITEMS AND ALLOW THEM THE ABILITY TO STRIKE A LINE ITEM AND AT LEAST WE'VE GOTTEN SOMEWHERE.

I THINK YOU I THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID PRETTY MUCH BY CRYSTAL, BUT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE LIKELY TO WANT TO HEAR, NOT JUST HERE'S WHAT WE WANT, BUT HERE'S WHY WE WANT IT AND HOW THE PUBLIC BENEFITS FROM THIS. AND YES, IT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL STEP OR HURDLE TO SOMEBODY GETTING SOMETHING BUILT OR INSTALLED.

YES, BUT HERE IS WHY IT'S WORTH IT TO THE COUNTY.

UNDERSTOOD. AND YES, IT WILL COST A LITTLE MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE A FEE FOR REGISTRATION. BUT HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY.

IT IS GOING TO PAY FOR A PART TIME INSPECTOR WHO IS GOING TO GO OUT AND KEEP EVERYBODY HONEST. BASICALLY, WHAT YOU, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO DO IS LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW HOW KIND OF WILD WEST IT IS.

LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DOING HERE TODAY.

THEY NEED TO HEAR THAT.

THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE OUT LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM TO SOLVE.

THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM THAT'S IN OUR FACES EVERY DAY IN THE FIELD.

AND IT'S A CAN. WE'VE BEEN KICKING DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH. EVERY YEAR. SO HELP THE COMMISSIONERS DO THEIR JOB AND REACH THE RIGHT RESULT.

GIVE THEM THE FULL PICTURE.

AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND MENTAL THOUGHT, BUT WHY? THIS IS GOOD.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR IT.

HERE'S. AND MAYBE WE CAN FIND A JURISDICTION THAT'S ALREADY LED THE WAY AND WE CAN SAY PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY BUT US.

BUT I THINK THE THE THING IS, IS YOU HAVE BEEN TO THEM.

YOU HAVE GOTTEN THEIR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HVAC INSPECTIONS AND REMOVAL OF THE AG BUILDING EXEMPTION.

THE ONLY THING THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ON BOARD WITH TO DATE WAS THE REGISTRATION.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO BECAUSE WE WE WE HAD IT BEFORE WE. BUT IT WAS A LICENSE.

NOW WE'RE JUST YOU'RE READY AT THIS POINT FOR WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED AND SAID WE WOULD DO TO COME TO THEM AT A WORKSHOP AND SAY, OKAY, YOU YOU SAID YOU WERE IN AGREEANCE TO DO HVAC INSPECTIONS AND REMOVE THE BUILDING CODE EXEMPTION FOR AG BUILDINGS.

HERE IS WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IN TERMS OF INSPECTION THAT WE WANT TO SEE.

YOU'VE SAID YES TO INSPECTIONS.

HERE'S HOW WE WANT TO APPLY IT.

HERE'S THE CODE WE WANT TO ADOPT.

YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT. AND I FIGURED OUT WHY YOU DON'T REMEMBER THAT YOU WEREN'T AT THAT MEETING. NO. WE ARE. YEAH.

WELL, YOU YOU KEPT TELLING ME THAT. AND I WAS LIKE, NO, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. NO AIR WAS THERE. AND THEN THAT WAS.

WHO ELSE WAS IT? WHO WAS WITH YOU? I WAS OKAY, IT WAS LEVI, I REMEMBER.

I KNOW YOU WENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT IT WASN'T YOU. I'VE BEEN BUILDING BUILDINGS FOR 40 YEARS, AND THEY'RE STILL STANDING.

YES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

WELL, YEAH. SO YOU ARE READY FOR THAT IF YOU WANT TO PUT THE REGISTRATION IN THERE AS WELL. WELL, HOW'S THE BOARD FEEL? I MEAN, I GUESS I'D NEED A MOTION TO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I THINK YOU GO FOR IT ALL.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION.

SECOND. SECOND. THE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

GO FOR IT ALL. CHRIS, ARE WE GOING FOR IT ALL ON DECEMBER 2ND? YOU BETTER BACK THAT UP TO THE 16TH.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT MUCH TIME. WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR INSPECTIONS. I THINK YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE IRONED OUT YET, OTHER THAN REGISTRATION, WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, EXCEPT FOR, HEY, AT THIS POINT, WE KNOW WE WANT A REGISTRATION.

WELL, THE PROCESSING GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

RIGHT. HONESTY. THAT AND WE HAD A FEE SCHEDULE BEFORE FOR A LICENSE.

I MEAN IT'S IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT TO THE PUBLIC.

IT'S JUST THAT BECAUSE OF THE MIS CHARACTERIZATION IN THE STATE LAW THAT THEY

[01:55:02]

BUT NOW THEY'VE CLARIFIED IT THAT THEY CAN'T TECHNICALLY WE'VE JUST PUT IT ON HOLD BECAUSE IT'S STILL EXISTS. IT STILL EXISTS.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE REMOVED HER.

RIGHT. PUT IT ON HOLD WAS BECAUSE OF THAT STATE LAW.

BUT NOW THEY'VE CLARIFIED THAT THEY CAN'T AFFECT IT.

SO. THAT SETTLES THAT.

[MUELEC October 1, 2025 Meeting]

EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MECHANICAL LICENSING BOARD.

SO HE COVERS ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, AND HVAC, AND SO HE'S THE ONE HE SITS IN ON ALL THE STATE BOARD MEETINGS THAT I HAVE AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SINCE CHUCK HAS BEEN THE DIRECTOR GOING ON ABOUT A YEAR NOW, I GUESS IT IS. I THINK IT'S JUST ABOUT A YEAR NOW THAT HE'S BEEN OUR ACTING DIRECTOR.

HE WANTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING WITH ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONS JUST TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, WE'RE THE STATE.

WE'RE IN IT WITH YOU GUYS.

THIS IS HOW YOU REACH US.

BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN LANGUAGE THAT THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS WERE SUPPOSED TO REPORT THINGS TO THE STATE, BUT NOBODY KNEW HOW.

AND I ACTUALLY GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY IN TALBOT COUNTY.

ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR IN TALBOT COUNTY WHO'S ACTUALLY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ELECTRICAL BOARD OVER THERE. IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE GOT THIS COMPLAINT.

WE WANT TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE STATE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW. SO I TALKED TO CHUCK BECAUSE IF THERE'S AN ONLINE PROCESS BUT THERE'S AN ONLINE, THAT ONLINE PROCESS IS MORE FOR A CONSUMER, A RESIDENT TO MAKE A COMPLAINT.

THERE'S NO THERE WAS NO PATH FOR, YOU KNOW, LOCAL JURISDICTION TO STATE JURISDICTION, WHICH SHOULD BE A LOT SMOOTHER THAN GOING ON AND SENDING IT.

SO THAT WAS BASICALLY WHAT CHUCK SET THIS MEETING UP FOR, TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY, LET THEM KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE DO AND PROVIDE THAT PATH FOR US TO GET TO THEM.

THAT WAS REALLY THE AND THEY ALSO DID MENTION THE FACT THAT IF WE HAVE A BOARD THAT DOES ANYTHING WITH ANYBODY THAT'S REGISTERED.

ANY COMPLAINTS, VIOLATIONS, WHAT HAVE YOU THAT WE HAVE TO REPORT THEM? I THINK IT'S LIKE DECEMBER OR SOMETHING.

RIGHT. DECEMBER 1ST AND THEY GAVE A FORM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. THAT WAS BASICALLY WHAT THAT WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS HELPFUL BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.

SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO DISCUSS ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S OUT THERE. STATE'S BEEN A LOT MORE RECEPTIVE AND ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE OUR WHOLE REGISTRATION PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, IF WE GIVE THAT THAT TIME, I'M KIND OF BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT.

BUT IF WE GIVE IT THE WHATEVER TIME WE NEED TO GET IT STRAIGHT, IT WOULD DO BETTER THAN WHAT THE STATE DID WHEN THEY PASSED THE MARYLAND ELECTRICIANS ACT, BECAUSE THE STATE STILL HASN'T CAUGHT UP TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IN THE MARYLAND ELECTRICIANS ACT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLINDSIDED BY IT.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE REGISTER.

THE WHOLE LICENSING PROCESS BECAUSE THEY GOT INUNDATED WITH.

OH MY GOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF APPLICATIONS THAT THEY HAD TO DEFER THE DATES. SO ANYHOW, I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT IN THERE.

[2026 Meeting Calendar Approval]

THE ONLY OTHER ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE CALENDAR.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL GOT A CHANCE TO SEE THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH ERIC WAS BY CODE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO MEET AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR, GENERALLY ON ABOUT MARCH AND SEPTEMBER AND THEN AS NEEDED ON OCCASION, AS WE NEED TO MEET THAT, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO JUST GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A TENTATIVE DATE THAT YOU CAN HOLD IN YOUR CALENDARS, AT LEAST SO THAT EACH MONTH, IN THE EVENT WE DO NEED TO MEET, WE HAVE A MEETING ROOM BOOKED AND YOU'VE GOT A PLACEHOLDER ON YOUR CALENDAR TO KNOW HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT AHEAD OF TIME TO LET YOU KNOW. YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING ON, THANK GOD.

HONESTLY, AS LONG AS I'M THE CHAIRMAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MEET IF THERE'S NOTHING TO MEET ABOUT MY TIME IS JUST AS VALUABLE AS YOU GUYS.

TIME. IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, WE'RE ABLE.

WE'VE GOT THE MEETING ROOM BOOKED FOR THOSE DATES AND HOLD THEM TENTATIVELY AND THEN JUST

[02:00:04]

YEAH, WE KIND OF WENT WITH THE THURSDAYS.

RIGHT. WELL, IT'S ALL THURSDAYS, RIGHT? THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. YES, EXCEPT FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE.

IT'S THE FIRST THURSDAY RIGHT TO THE ELECTIONS, AVAILABILITY OF ROOMS. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH THAT? EMAIL, I GUESS, LIKE, SAY, A A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE JUST TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE AN AGENDA OR WE DON'T.

YEAH. AND I MEAN, GENEVA CAN PUT ON HER CALENDAR, YOU KNOW WHAT, TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE AND CHECK IN WITH ERIC TO SEE IF HE HAS ANYTHING.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YEAH.

YEAH. AND AND AND LIKE I SAID, IF IF I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

IF THERE'S NOTHING, IF I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, IF YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY. I'M NOT HAVING A MEETING.

I'M NOT HAVING A MEETING FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING A MEETING. IF WE GOT PAID, IT'D BE DIFFERENT. WE'D BE OBLIGATED.

NOBODY'S GETTING PAID. SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS.

EXCEPT FOR THE MARCH AND SEPTEMBER MEETINGS, THOSE ARE NOT TENTATIVE.

YEAH, WE'LL FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. FOR NOW. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF CODE SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT MARGINS.

IT JUST SAYS TWO MEETINGS A YEAR, A YEAR. AND AS LONG AS YOU'VE MET YOUR TWO MEETINGS OF THE YEAR, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ENDS UP BEING JANUARY. IF WE DON'T MEET TWO, IF WE DON'T MEET TWO MEETINGS A YEAR, THEY'RE GOING TO FIRE US. I DON'T THINK SO.

SO THEN CAN I. CAN I GET A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CALENDAR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT THE PROPOSED CALENDAR.

GOT A MOTION? DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ERIC, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.

OKAY. DOES THE STATE REQUIRE YOUR RENEWALS ONLINE, OR DO THEY ALLOW YOU TO PROVIDE YOUR PAPER FOR LICENSING? HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. I DO ONLINE.

ONLINE. I HEARD THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT ONLINE.

I DO ONLINE. ONLINE. BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD FROM SOME CONTRACTORS THAT YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN OPTION TO DO ANY KIND OF MAILING REGISTRATION ONLINE.

LIKE SCOTT SAID, THEY DON'T SEND OUT PAPER COPIES ANYMORE.

YEAH, I KNOW THEY SEND OUT ANY, YOU KNOW.

HERE'S THE FORM. PLEASE RETURN.

MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THEY? PROBABLY NOT. BECAUSE EVERYTHING.

CAN YOU FIND OUT? YEAH, I CAN FIND OUT.

SEE IF THAT YOU KNOW, THEY STILL ALLOW YOU TO FILE A PAPER COPY OR IT IS ONLINE. THE ONLY REASON IS I'M TRYING TO CUT COSTS.

SO WHEN COMMISSIONERS ASKED, WHAT'S THIS GOING TO COST US? AND IF WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY SEND OUT PAPER RENEWALS TO EVERYBODY FOR ELECTRIC, PLUMBING AND HVAC REGISTRATIONS.

DON'T EVEN TELL YOUR THAT YOU'RE EXPIRED.

RIGHT. SO IF IF THE REQUIREMENT IS YOU DO IT ONLINE THAT ELIMINATES THAT.

YOU KNOW INITIAL MAIL OUT.

SECOND MAIL OUT WITH YOUR LICENSE.

YOU GET IT VIA EMAIL. THIS COMPUTER WORLD THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CHEAPER IS NOT CHEAPER THE ONLINE BY ANY MEANS.

AND IF THE AND MY REASON FOR SAYING THAT IS IF THE STATE'S ALREADY REQUIRING IT, EVERYBODY'S ALREADY HAVING TO DO IT WITH STATE.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BURDENSOME TO SOMEONE TO HAVE TO DO IT WITH THE COUNTY IF YOU ALREADY HAVE TO DO IT. SO I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE.

MOST PEOPLE. WELL, I GUESS I THINK OF ME.

I DON'T GET MY LICENSE UNLESS SOMEBODY NOTIFIES ME, OR I GO TO PULL A PERMIT AND THEY SAY, OH, YOU HAVEN'T RENEWED YOUR REGISTRATION FOR TWO YEARS. OH, OKAY. WELL, HERE'S THE 50 BUCKS.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND RENEW IT NOW.

YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO. SO.

YEAH. BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO AVOID THAT.

THAT COST, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

IN ALL HONESTY, AT THE STATE LEVEL, IT'S NOT THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE REGISTERING WITH THE COUNTY. SO IN ALL HONESTY, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, YOU CAN DO THAT.

THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN HERE AND FILL IT OUT. BUT I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE I'M NOT REAL SURE.

I DO ALL MY STUFF. I DO EVERYTHING ONLINE THAT I CAN.

ANTICIPATING QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT GET FROM COMMISSIONER. I'M UPSET BECAUSE I GOT DRIVE PRINCESS AND GET A PERMIT AND I CAN'T GO ONLINE AND GET THAT ONE.

ONLY A FEW OF THEM. YOU CAN'T.

BECAUSE EVEN WORCESTER NOW. WORCESTER. WORCESTER. YOU USED TO HAVE TO GO GET IT.

BUT NOW I CAN JUST EMAIL DEBBIE DOWN THERE.

I THINK EVERYTHING'S AT THE STATE LEVEL.

I MEAN, EVEN MY FIRE MARSHAL LICENSE WAS THROUGH ONE STOP, AND I HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO LOG INTO ONE STOP.

AND MY ELECTRICAL LICENSE IS THERE.

MY FIRE MARSHAL INSPECTOR LICENSE THERE.

MY PLUMBING INSPECTOR LICENSE? YEAH, THEY HAVE THAT ONE STOP PORTAL. YEAH. IT'S

[02:05:01]

I KEEP MY OLD ONE ON THE WALL JUST SO I CAN LOOK AT THE DATE.

YEAH, YOU GOTTA HAVE IT BY NOW.

I'VE GOT THAT MEMORIZED NOW, BECAUSE EVERY EVERY TIME YOU FILL OUT A INSPECTION APPLICATION, YOU GOTTA PUT ON THERE WHEN YOUR EXPIRATION DATE IS FEBRUARY 2ND. MINE'S 1106.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY.

ERIC, DID YOU GUYS DO THE AGRICULTURAL BUILDING EXEMPTION FROM BUILDING CODE? ACTUALLY, NO WE DIDN'T.

WE KIND OF FLEW OVER THAT. BUT CRYSTAL THREW THAT IN EARLIER.

OKAY. SHE SAID THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALREADY.

YES. IT IS JUST A UNDER A BUILDING CODE CHAPTER.

IT SAYS THESE THINGS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE BUILDING CODE.

IT'S JUST A STRIKETHROUGH TO SAY REMOVE THAT EXEMPTION. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. DO WE KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER OLD ERNIE CRAWFORD ERROR THING IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT ISSUE? YEAH. MAKE A MOTION MEETING.

[Meeting Adjourns]

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.

EVERYBODY. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.