Dec 15, 2025 Burial Sites Preservation Board

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DECEMBER. I THAT'S HERE TO THE BURIAL SITES COMMITTEE AT CAROLINE COUNTY.

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YES.

WAS EVERYBODY ABLE TO READ OR BROWSE THROUGH YOUR STEWARDSHIP BOOK? THAT. YEAH, THAT'S THE THING WE ENDED UP WITH FROM LAST WEEK OR LAST MEETING.

RIGHT. OKAY.

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WELL, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER.

APPROVE THE MINUTES. I THINK THAT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW OF THE LAST MEETING, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE FOCUSING ON TODAY, TOO.

OKAY. AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT I DID THESE MINUTES BECAUSE THE TRANSCRIPT WASN'T AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF OUR NEW RECORDING SYSTEM. MY SUPERVISOR DOESN'T WANT ME TO DO MINUTES BECAUSE THE TRANSCRIPT IS AVAILABLE, AS IS THE MEETING. IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.

SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK AND REVIEW AND THE MEETINGS ARE INDEXED BY TOPIC.

SO YOU CAN CLICK ON A TOPIC AND SEE THE PART YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.

SO I DID MEETING MINUTES FOR TONIGHT BECAUSE THE TRANSCRIPT WASN'T THERE.

AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP US TO LOOK OVER THE MINUTES TO REVIEW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON TONIGHT.

SURE. CATHERINE, JUST TO MULL THIS OVER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NOT HAVING SOMETHING IN WRITING. SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE MINUTES. I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GOING ARE WE GOING TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT REVIEWING MINUTES THE NEXT MEETING? I'M SORRY. WHAT? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT ARE WE GOING TO WITHOUT HAVING WRITTEN MINUTES, ARE WE GOING TO STOP REVIEWING AND APPROVING MINUTES AT THE NEXT MEETING, OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT NOT EVEN GOING TO WORRY ABOUT MINUTES ANYMORE.

WE HAVE TRANSCRIPTS. TRANSCRIPTS. YOU HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE TRANSCRIPT IS CORRECT, THOUGH.

SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TRANSCRIPTS WHEN YOU SAY TRANSCRIPTS? WE HAVE A TRANSCRIPT. IT'S AN AI. THAT'S WHAT I WAS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. OKAY. EXACTLY. WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET A COPY OF THE AI MINUTES? YOU BETTER BE. SHOULDN'T WE BE AT LEAST LOOKING AT AI MINUTES AND THEN REVIEWING AND APPROVING THOSE AT THE NEXT MEETING? TRANSCRIPT. I MEAN, IT'S VERY LONG, BUT I CAN.

YEAH, I CAN. NOBODY'S GOING TO DO THAT, JIM. I'M JUST SAYING.

OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S THERE. WELL, SO THEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DISCUSSING MINUTES THEN.

NO. SO HERE'S MY THING IS, IF YOU'VE EVER USED AI FOR ANYTHING, YOU SHOULD NOT BE RELYING ON AI TO BE ACCURATE BECAUSE IT OFTENTIMES USES THE WRONG WORDS. MAKES NONSENSE SENTENCES. YOU SHOULD NEVER RELY ON AI TRANSCRIPT WITHOUT HUMAN REVIEW.

SO IF WE WANT TO DISPENSE WITH MINUTES AND USE A TRANSCRIPT, THEN WE SHOULD BE PROVIDED A WRITTEN COPY OF THE TRANSCRIPT, AND WE SHOULD HAVE TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO ERRORS, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THERE ARE GOING TO BE ERRORS IN THAT TRANSCRIPT.

I CAN GUARANTEE IT. THEY'RE GOING TO. IT'S NOT GOING TO SPELL THINGS RIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO MAKE NONSENSE SENTENCES. WELL, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS AND WHY I OPEN TONIGHT'S MEETING SAYING, PLEASE MAKE SURE THE MICS ARE ON AND YOU'RE CLOSE TO IT IS BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO THE RECORDING AND I WAS HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME HEARING MANY PEOPLE. RIGHT. AND AND OF COURSE, EVEN IF AI IS TRYING TO YEAH, IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM, WHICH MEANS WE EITHER NEED MINUTES OR WE HAVE TO HAVE TRANSCRIPTS SENT TO US FOR REVIEW SO THAT WE CAN CORRECT THEM, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S INAUDIBLE AUDIO. THE AI WILL FILL IN THE BLANKS FOR YOU.

IT'LL TRY TO HELP YOU BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT DOES, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN IT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT WAS REALLY SAID.

YEAH. AND I CAN I CAN SEND THAT TRANSCRIPT OUT TO YOU IN A WEEK.

IT'S USUALLY AVAILABLE IN A WEEK. THAT'S WHY I WAS BRINGING IT UP.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. SO WHAT ARE THE OTHER WHAT ARE THE OTHER BOARDS DOING? IS THIS THE ONLY BOARD YOU SIT IN ON? NO, I I'M ON THREE BOARDS.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER TWO DOING? THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING.

TRANSCRIPTS. MINUTES ARE NOT WRITTEN. SO. AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE TRANSCRIPTS.

THE NEXT MEETING TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE RIGHT. AS FAR AS I KNOW, NO ONE IS DOING THAT.

SO, LIKE, IF WE WANT. SO. SO WHERE I'M COMING FROM, IF WE WANT TO GO BACK FOUR YEARS FROM NOW TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOMETHING, IF WE WANT TO GO FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING YEARS AGO, WE WOULD HAVE JUST PULLED UP THE MINUTES AND LOOKED AT IT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO PULL UP A TRANSCRIPT, WHICH HOPEFULLY WE LOOK AT AND CORRECT. BUT IF NOT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO AN AUDIO RECORDING FOR YEARS OR 14 YEARS FROM NOW.

AND IF THE AI DIDN'T GET THE TRANSCRIPT RIGHT THEN WE'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR IT OR RIGHT.

OR YOU'LL HAVE INCORRECT INFORMATION AND YOU'LL BE RELYING ON INCORRECT INFORMATION AS FACTUAL.

I'M JUST SAYING I'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH AI GENERATED CONTENT AND IT'S CRAP.

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I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE WHAT THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS IS.

I GET IT, AND I. AND I'M FINE TO SEND OUT THAT TRANSCRIPT AS SOON AS IT'S AVAILABLE.

NOW, THOSE TRANSCRIPTS ARE OFTEN OVER 100 PAGES, SO I'LL HAVE TO PUT THEM IN A PDF AND REDUCE THE FILE SIZE.

CATHERINE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TINY PRINT. CATHERINE IS THE.

THIS PROCEDURE THAT YOU'RE INTRODUCING A DIRECTIVE FROM ON HIGH, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE.

THIS IS FROM ON HIGH. AND HOW HIGH IS ON HIGH? WELL, BASICALLY, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DECIDED TO GET THIS SYSTEM OVER A YEAR AGO, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE FOCUSING ON WAS TRYING TO SAVE STAFF TIME, BECAUSE TRANSCRIBING MINUTES TAKES HOURS AND HOURS.

SO YEAH. BUT SO INSTEAD OF ONE PERSON SPENDING A COUPLE HOURS TRANSCRIBING MINUTES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ENTIRE BOARD HAVE TO READ 100 PAGES OF TRANSCRIPT TO MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE'S THE REAL SAVINGS IN PEOPLE'S TIME.

AND EVEN ONE STEP FASTER THAN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST ONE OF HIS TAKING MINUTES AT THE MEETING. THAT ONLY TAKES THE TWO HOUR MEETING TIME. YEP. YEP. HOW VERBATIM ARE THOSE MINUTES? I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ARE DENSE. ARE HOURS.

WELL, THEY'RE NO LONGER BEING MINUTES TAKEN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

LIKE US, THEY USE A TRANSCRIPT IF THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK ON SOMETHING.

SO, MR. BAKER, THIS IS MY IGNORANCE ON AI, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK MY WIFE WHEN I GET HOME, BECAUSE SHE'S STILL INVOLVED IN A COUPLE OF BOARDS THAT THEY'RE USING AI TO RECORD MEETINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRANSCRIPTS LOOK LIKE AFTERWARDS. WELL, BUT YOU ESSENTIALLY TOOK THAT HUNDRED PAGES, KATHRYN, AND MADE TWO AND A HALF PAGES OUT OF IT.

RIGHT. SO THE MINUTES WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS TWO AND A HALF PAGES THAT YOU LOOKED AT YOU YOU LOOKED AT 100 PAGES TO GET A TWO AND A HALF.

I WAS LISTENING TO THE VIDEO. I DID NOT. I TRIED TO GO BACK TO THE TRANSCRIPT WHEN THERE WERE THINGS I COULD NOT HEAR.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I WENT WITH THE REPORTING.

OKAY. I MEAN, I MEAN, I'LL JUST TELL YOU MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

I'LL SIT HERE AND I'LL TAKE MINUTES MYSELF IN A MEETING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT MINUTES, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A LOT OF BUSINESS, AND THE MINUTES DO NOT HAVE TO BE WORD FOR WORD ABOUT A MEETING.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY AREN'T THE KEY THINGS ABOUT WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND WHAT IF THERE ARE ANY VOTES TAKEN.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO, AND IT SHOULD BE AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MEETING.

A TRANSCRIPT IS AS GOOD AS WHOEVER MAKES THE TRANSCRIPT, WHETHER IT'S A PERSON TYPING IT OR IT'S AI.

AND I WILL JUST SAY I'VE HAD TRANSCRIPTS OF VIDEOS, OF INTERVIEWS, OF MEETINGS.

YOU CAN USE MICROSOFT TEAMS, AND COPILOT WILL TAKE MINUTES OF YOUR MEETINGS FOR YOUR TRANSCRIPTS, AND THEY'RE GARBAGE. AND IF WE'RE RELYING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO DO THIS, I THINK WE'RE MAKING A GRAVE MISTAKE.

AND I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. WE ARE THE MOST CANTANKEROUS BOARD IN THIS COUNTY, AREN'T WE? WE COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT MY DECISION.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT I CAN ONLY OFFER THE TRANSCRIPTS.

AND I DID MINUTES THIS TIME BECAUSE I KNEW IT WOULD HELP US TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

DO WE HAVE DO YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE MINUTES HERE? BECAUSE I DON'T THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. SHE DID A GREAT JOB.

IT'S A PAGE, AND IT'S TWO AND A HALF PAGES. IT'S A FRONT AND A BACK AND A HALF A PAGE.

SHE DID A GREAT JOB OF MINUTES. YOU CAN JUST PASS AROUND.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO. AND I CAN JUST EMAIL THEM TO EVERYONE NOW.

SURE. WHATEVER. DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT. DO YOU NEED IT? YEAH. OH, WAIT. NO, THAT'S JUST ONE COPY.

I HAVE AN EXTRA COPY IF ANYBODY NEEDS ONE.

CATHERINE DID. YOU DIDN'T EMAIL THOSE IN THE ORIGINAL EMAIL, DID YOU? NO, I DID NOT. I JUST FINISHED THEM THIS AFTERNOON.

OKAY.

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YOU KNOW, A REDUCTION. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.

I ALWAYS INDEX THE MEETINGS SO THAT THE TOPICS ARE INDEXED.

SO IT SHOULD HAVE AND THOSE SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO THE TOPIC.

SO YOU JUST THIS IS YOUR SUMMARY OF WHAT THE TRANSCRIPT HAD IN IT.

NO, THIS IS MY SUMMARY OF THE VIDEO RECORDING.

OKAY. OKAY. SHE LISTENED TO THE RECORDING AND SHE SAID THAT WAS A STRUGGLE TRYING TO HEAR SOME OF HIS.

YEAH, I'M WITH YOU ON THE RECORDING. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THE MACHINE HAD DIGESTED THIS RATHER THAN YOU OR, YOU KNOW, A PERSON. NO, I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE I CAN SEND YOU THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS MEETING.

I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT IT DOES ARE REALLY BECAUSE IF IT CAN DIGEST TO, THEN. SORRY, DAVID. IF IT CAN DIGEST IT, THAT'S THAT'S REMARKABLE.

WELL, I DID FIND. WELL, I MEAN, THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE BOMBING US TO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE SUMMARY IS BASED ON THE TERMINATOR WILL BE COMING FOR US. INFORMATION. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. YEAH.

THE SUMMARY IS ONLY AS GOOD AS WHAT IT'S SUMMARIZING.

I THINK IF IT CAN SUMMARIZE THESE MEETINGS, IT'S DOING PRETTY GOOD.

WELL, I FOUND A WEBSITE THAT DID RELY ON AI, WHICH HAD OUR LAST MEETING BASICALLY TOOK MINUTES AND IT MISSED A COUPLE OF THINGS.

BUT IT'S A WEBSITE WHERE THEY USE OUR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE BOARD MEETINGS, AND THEY OFFER YOU A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MEETING.

BUT IF YOU CLICK ON THE PICTURE OF THE MEETING TO TRY TO VIEW THE VIDEO, THEY WANT YOU TO SIGN UP AND PAY SOMETHING.

YOU CAN VIEW IT FOR FREE IF YOU GIVE THEM YOUR EMAIL, YOUR YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

JUST GIVE THEM JEFF'S. YEAH. OR HIS? YEAH, PLENTY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO DISPENSE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND AND JUST ACCEPT THAT OUR COMPUTER OVERLORDS ARE DOING IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S THE THE IDEA. WE'RE WORKING FROM HERE.

I WOULD HAVE TO RUN THAT BY CRYSTAL, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE I WOULD SO I WOULD OBJECT TO THAT.

PERSONALLY I WOULD SAY WHAT WE WOULD WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO IS REVIEW THE TRANSCRIPTS OURSELVES AND THEN VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE TRANSCRIPT ACCURATELY, ACCURATELY REFLECTED THE MEETING. BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, THERE ARE GOING TO BE MISTAKES IN THEM.

AND IT COULD BE A VERY CRITICAL MISTAKE BECAUSE IT COULD WIND UP LEAVING THE WORD NOT OUT OF SOMETHING, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOUR INTENT IS.

AND I JUST, I JUST KNOWING THE FALLACIES THAT GO ALONG WITH AI, I WOULD, I WOULD PERSONALLY I'D PROBABLY BE OUTVOTED, BUT I WOULD OBJECT TO JUST ACCEPTING A TRANSCRIPT WITHOUT A REVIEW TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ACCURATE.

YEAH, AND I'M AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE WE HAD A LAWSUIT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND I REVIEWED THE ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT AND FOUND UNBELIEVABLE MISTAKES. RIGHT. AND OUR, OUR AI GENERATED TRANSCRIPT WAS MORE ACCURATE THAN THE COMPANY WE PAID TWO GRAND TO TO DO THE TRANSCRIPT. SO.

YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED. IS THERE I WONDER, IS THERE ANY ANY AI WAY THAT AI COULD REVIEW THE RECORDING TO THEN HIGHLIGHT THE PLACES THAT IT COULDN'T HEAR OR WASN'T CLEAR THAT WE COULD THEN? BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING IF I WANTED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES TEN YEARS FROM NOW, IF I'M STILL ALIVE, I'D RATHER LOOK AT THE RECORDING THAN I WOULD THE TRANSCRIPT THAT WAS DONE BY AI.

BUT THEN IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S MISSED AND WE'RE TEN YEARS LATER, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO SAY, ERIC, WHAT DID YOU REALLY MEAN? BECAUSE I HEARD INSTEAD OF YOUR VOICE. WHERE ARE WE BETTER OFF REVIEWING THE RECORDING, WHICH IS ONLY GOING TO TAKE AN HOUR OF OUR LIFE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR. OR THE NEXT MEETING, WE SAY, REMEMBER, ERIC, WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION? WHAT WAS THIS YOU SAID BECAUSE THE RECORDING DIDN'T PICK IT UP? I.

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REALLY. THIS IS A MATTER OF POLICY COMING FROM THE COUNTY, ISN'T IT? NOT THAT I DON'T HAVE VERY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS, BUT I AM CURIOUS, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY BURNED UP 15 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT THIS.

WHAT THE JURISPRUDENTIAL SIDE OF THIS IS? BECAUSE FROM A FROM A HISTORIAN'S PERSPECTIVE, JIM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ODDS ARE THE RECORDING IS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE.

I ALWAYS TELL MY STUDENTS THAT PAPER IS THE MEDIUM THAT NEVER GOES OUT OF STYLE.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING BACK TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, YOU'RE 90% OF THE TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE TRANSCRIPT WHICH DOES THEN SUGGEST THAT WE NEED TO HAVE CORRECT TRANSCRIPTS. ALTHOUGH I THINK EVEN EVEN THE GETTYSBURG ADDRESS, SHORT AS IT IS, HAD MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF IT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE LISTENING AND TRANSCRIBING.

RIGHT? EXCUSE ME, BUT I'M CURIOUS IN A COURT OF LAW WHETHER THERE'S ANY DEMAND.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING WAY OFF THE BAT HERE. DON'T DON'T WE DON'T WE MANAGE CEMETERIES HERE? BUT ANYWAY, IN A COURT OF LAW, WHAT WOULD THE REQUIREMENT BE? THE ANSWER IS IT DEPENDS. OF COURSE IT DOES. RIGHT.

SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TRANSCRIPT IS BEING USED FOR.

SO IF THE TRANSCRIPT IS BEING USED TO IMPEACH A WITNESS DURING A TRIAL, THERE'S ONE LEVEL OF AUTHENTICITY OR AUTHENTICATION THAT IS REQUIRED AS OPPOSED TO, FOR EXAMPLE I HAD A MOTIONS ARGUMENT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY.

WE GOT A RULING. THE OTHER SIDE FILED A MOTION BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING ISSUE WITH SOMETHING THE JUDGE DID IN THE RULING, AND WE CAN GET TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE COURT OF THE PROCEEDING THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE COURTROOM.

WE CAN GET THE AUDIO, WE CAN GET THE CD OR WE CAN PAY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED BUCKS AND THEY'LL IT USED TO BE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT TRANSCRIBED FOR US. BUT NOW, EVEN IN QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY, THEY HAVE.

AND WHETHER IT'S AI GENERATED OR WHETHER THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, I'VE USED VOICE RECOGNITION DICTATION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND SOMETIMES IT'S SPOT ON AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.

BUT I CAN GET A COPY OF THE COURT'S CD AND THE COURTS.

TRANSCRIPT. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GET A SEAL FROM THE CLERK SIGNING OFF, THAT THIS IS A TRUE AND AUTHENTIC COPY OF THE EVENTS AND PROCEEDINGS OF A PARTICULAR DAY AND TIME. AND THAT IS SUFFICIENT.

AND I COULD USE THAT AT THE APPELLATE COURT LEVEL BECAUSE THE CIRCUIT COURT HAS AUTHENTICATED IT.

SO IT DEPENDS IN PART ON WHAT YOU'RE USING IT FOR.

GO AHEAD. NO, THERE IS A THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO RETAIN RECORDINGS.

BUT OF COURSE AN ORDER ISN'T THE SAME THING AS IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

AND WE COULD GO SCOUR THE ARCHIVES OF THE WORLD AND DISCOVER THAT THINGS THAT WE THINK OUGHT TO BE SAVED HAVE NOT BEEN SAVED.

AND THIS COUNTY IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT, TOO.

THERE'S THINGS YOU'D THINK WERE THERE THAT ARE NOT DO WE KNOW WHAT THE RETENTION PROCEDURE IS WITH REGARD TO THE ACTUAL THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED? MARILYN. ARCHIVES ASK THAT WE KEEP WHAT WE FEEL IS TOTALLY NECESSARY, BUT SHIP UP TO THEM SOME OF THE HISTORICAL RECORD.

SO EACH DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A WHILE.

SO THIS IS GERMANE. SORRY, DAVID. ONE MORE POINT AND THEN I'LL SHUT UP.

THIS IS GERMANE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WHILE MOST OF THE THINGS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY, I THINK ARE IN THE MOMENT, EVEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD EXISTS LARGELY IN THE MOMENT.

WE'RE DEALING WITH THINGS THAT ARE OF A MUCH LONGER TIME FRAME.

WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF, AND I JUST WONDER WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE TO REVIEW IF YOU'RE LEFT WITH A TRANSCRIPT.

THAT'S THE ONLY EXISTING DOCUMENTATION OF A MEETING.

I ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ALL THAT CONTROVERSIAL THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, COMPARING THE TRANSCRIPT WITH. BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THINGS VIDEO TRANSCRIPTS, EVEN AUDIO OR, EXCUSE ME, VIDEO RECORDINGS, AUDIO RECORDINGS DO NOT SURVIVE.

AND I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THERE IS ANY CALL TO RETAIN ANY OF THAT EXCEPT AT THE LEGAL LEVEL.

BUT THERE'S ALREADY A DISJUNCT, RIGHT. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE'RE MAKING A POLICY OUT OF THIS, THEN THERE SHOULD BE SOME LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO DO THAT.

SO ANYWAY, BUT THIS THESE ARE REALMS ABOVE OUR WHAT WE'RE EVEN HERE TO TALK ABOUT REALLY? TONIGHT? THE ONLY QUESTION I REALLY HAD IS, ARE WE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE ACCURATE RECORDS OF OUR MEETINGS?

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PERIOD. YES. WHATEVER THEY ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE MINUTES OR THEY'RE TRANSCRIPTS.

BUT YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE TRANSCRIPT IS ACCURATE UNLESS IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED.

SO I THINK YOU'RE STUCK IN A WAY. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION.

DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MINUTES AS WE KNOW. DON'T HAVE TO BE WORD FOR WORD OF WHAT HAPPENED.

MINUTES ARE AN IDEAL SOLUTION, ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE ACCURATE, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, ALL MEETINGS UNDER ROBERT'S RULES, YOU HAVE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES AND APPROVE THEM TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY DIDN'T LEAVE OUT SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT TRANSPIRED.

AND THE SAME THING SHOULD HAPPEN FOR THE TRANSCRIPTS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE.

I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S AN ERROR, BUT I THINK IT'S GENERATING FAR MORE PAPER.

EVEN THOUGH WE SAY IT'S NOT PAPER, IT REALLY WILL THEN.

THEN WE HAVE NOW, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO WASTE A LOT MORE PEOPLE'S TIME.

IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO FIND OUT HOW OTHER BOARDS ARE DEALING WITH THIS ONE AND TWO.

SO I'LL LOOK TO CATHERINE FOR THAT. THE THE CODE.

THE COUNTY CODE. CHAPTER 80 9-4B4 DOES EMPOWER THE BOARD TO ADOPT, NOT JUST RECOMMEND, BUT ADOPT RULES OF PROCEDURE. REVIEWING MINUTES. APPROVING MINUTES, TAKING MINUTES IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO REVIEW AND I'M SORRY TO TAKE MINUTES TO REVIEW AND APPROVE TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER.

IF THE BOARD IS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING MINUTES AND THEN CIRCULATING THE MINUTES AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR APPROVAL.

I THINK THAT'S AT LEAST WITHIN THE LANGUAGE AND LETTER AND SPIRIT OF THE CODE.

THE BOARD HAS THE POWER TO ADOPT RULES OF PROCEDURE.

BUT BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE TONIGHT, MAYBE WE FIND OUT WHAT OTHER BOARDS ARE DOING AND MAKE THIS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS WHEN WE HAVE MORE CONTEXT, PERHAPS? YEP. AND I KNOW BECAUSE I'M AG PRESERVATION BOARD AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, AND THIS SYSTEM WAS NEW TO US IN FALL OF, I BELIEVE, 2023.

SO AT THAT TIME INSTEAD OF WRITING MINUTES, I WOULD ALWAYS EVEN THOUGH THE BOTH THE VIDEO RECORDING AND THE TRANSCRIPTS ARE SUPPOSED TO ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.

WHO IS DOING THIS FOR US? BUT BEYOND THAT, I ALWAYS DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO, DOWNLOAD THE TRANSCRIPT TO OUR SERVERS HERE SO THAT IT IS AVAILABLE TO US, NOT DEPENDING ON THEM.

AND I DO THAT FOR THE OTHER TWO BOARDS I'M ON.

AND I BELIEVE GENEVA DOES THAT ALSO FOR THE LIQUOR BOARD AND THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IS THAT THE STAFF POLICY AND PROTOCOL FOR THAT? IS THAT A WRITTEN POLICY THAT YOU TAKE THAT STEP CONSISTENTLY? I JUST STARTED DOING IT AND WANTED TO CONTINUE IT EVEN WITH THE NEW SYSTEM.

SO IT JUST MADE SENSE TO ME TO KEEP IT LOCAL AS WELL.

SO WHEN GENEVA CAME IN, I SUGGESTED SHE DO IT THE SAME WAY, JUST SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR OWN INDEPENDENT WAY TO STORE IT. SO IF WE BEAT THIS HORSE TO DEATH, I'LL MAKE A

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SECOND EVEN LOOKED AT I DID I. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT IT.

SO YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. I LOVE YOU.

OH, SORRY. ANYBODY? SECOND. SECOND. NO, I THOUGHT SOMEBODY DID.

I'M SORRY, I SECOND IT. OH, OKAY. SOMEBODY BETTER PUT THAT IN THE MINUTES.

SO I GUESS MOTION TO FILE FOR THE RECORD IS IS ESSENTIALLY.

YOU DON'T REALLY NEED A VOTE FOR THAT IF IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED.

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IT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG ANYWAY, RIGHT? MULTIPLES OF ZERO.

MULTIPLES OF ZERO. OKAY. WHAT'S NEXT? PRESIDENT.

CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF A BOARD.

[ Continued discussion of § 89-5 Powers and duties of Board, maintenance of burial sites]

HERE YOU ARE. SO THE ISSUE WHEN WE LAST MET WAS, AS YOU RECALL, THE CODE SAYS YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND CERTAIN THINGS. AND I HAD THE LANGUAGE HERE IN FRONT OF ME A MINUTE AGO.

AND THE QUESTION IS REALLY TO WHOM ARE YOU MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION? ARE YOU MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PUBLIC WITH REGARD TO THE PRESERVATION OF BURIAL SITES, OR ARE YOU MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THE COUNTY ADOPT AS THE GUIDELINES FOR BURIAL SITE PRESERVATION. AND THE CONSENSUS SEEMS TO BE THAT YOU WOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE WHETHER IT'S THE THE MAINTENANCE OF BURIAL SITES, THE REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION OF BURIAL SITES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT YOU'RE GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND.

SO UNDER 80 9-4, FIVE F AND G, F AND G. THANK YOU.

TO RECOMMEND GUIDELINES FOR THE APPROPRIATE MAINTENANCE OF BURIAL SITES AND ALSO AND OR I GUESS IT COULD BE AN AND AND NOT NECESSARILY THE DISJUNCTIVE RECOMMEND GUIDELINES FOR AND SUPERVISE THE REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION OF BURIAL SITES.

AND THEN UNDER J TO RECOMMEND GUIDELINES FOR BURIAL SITE PROTECTION.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE OPINION IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION, ONCE YOU COME UP WITH THESE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THEM FOR APPROVAL BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

ALL RIGHT. COOL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THERE WAS A SECOND QUESTION, ACTUALLY, THAT I THINK I WAS TO REPORT BACK ON, AND IT HAD TO DO WITH INCLUDING IN ASKING THE STATE DELEGATION TO PROPOSE THE COUNTY'S DELEGATION TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO PROPOSE LANGUAGE WITH REGARD TO SOLAR APPLICATIONS, CPCN APPLICATIONS AT THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION, OR OTHERWISE, THAT THEY, THE APPLICANTS SIGN SOMETHING CONFIRMING THAT THEY HAVE DONE AT LEAST A LAND RECORDS REVIEW OF A CHAIN OF TITLE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE BURIAL SITES ON A PARTICULAR PARCEL. AND I SPOKE TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT THAT.

AND THERE'S WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A PACKET OF THINGS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE WITH THE STATE DELEGATION, AND THIS WILL BE AMONG THE PACKET. OKAY. BEAR IN MIND THAT A RECOMMENDATION LIKE THAT HAS STATEWIDE IMPLICATIONS AND IS NOT NECESSARY. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE PACKET IS THAT THE COUNTY IS IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING ITS ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCE. AND IN THE COUNTY, ITS ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCE IS GOVERNED BY STATE LAW THAT IS SPECIFIC TO CAROLINE COUNTY, AS OPPOSED TO STATE LAW THAT APPLIES. WELL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE IS THE STATE LAW AS IT APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO CAROLINE COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO SOLAR, THAT IS STATE LAW THAT IS APPLICABLE IN ALL 24 COUNTIES.

OKAY. IT'S A BIGGER ASK IS WHAT I'M. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE THE LIST NONETHELESS.

OKAY. SO WILL YOU KEEP US UPDATED ON HOW THAT GOES? I GUESS MY MY FEAR IS THAT THERE'S RIGHT NOW IN STATE GOVERNMENT THERE.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN LISTENING TO WHAT THIS COUNTY AND A LOT OF OTHER NEIGHBORING COUNTIES WOULD WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN WITH SOLAR.

AND IS THIS GOING TO GET LOST IN ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, NO, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE WANT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT IN CAROLINE COUNTY? BUT YET IF THEY READ THE FINE PRINT, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING.

I DON'T SEE HOW THEY WOULDN'T LIKE THIS, BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF AN EASY ASK.

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I HAVE THIS PRECONCEIVED IDEA. NO MATTER WHAT THE COUNTY HAS FOR SOLAR WISE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOLD NO. AND THEN THIS IS IN THERE, THAT IF IT WAS BY ITSELF, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN TOLD YES, OR IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT MORE FAVORABLY.

SO JUST LET US KNOW THAT THEN MAYBE WE MIGHT HAVE TO REVISIT THIS IN FOUR MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS TO SAY, LET'S GO TO PLAN B ABOUT DOING THIS A DIFFERENT WAY, BECAUSE UNLESS I'M JUST MISSING THE BOAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY AT THE STATE LEVEL COULDN'T SEE THAT THIS MADE SENSE TO DO.

BUT HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE THERE OTHER COUNTIES WITH BURIAL PRESERVATION TYPES OF BODIES? NO, THAT'S A BAD CHOICE OF WORDS. BUT BURIAL PRESERVATION BOARDS THAT ARE RUNNING INTO SIMILAR CONFLICTS AND ISSUES. LIKE WE HAVE HAD. ALTHOUGH THE THE CONTRACTOR DID THE RIGHT THING. ARE THERE ARE THERE OTHER COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE STATE THAT ARE RUNNING INTO THE SAME PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD CERTAINLY IF QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY AND CARROLL COUNTY AND WASHINGTON COUNTY SAY, YEAH, MAN, THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR US TOO, YOU KNOW BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US AS VOLUNTEER MEMBERS OF THIS BODY ARE GOING TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO MAKE THOSE CALLS TO DETERMINE SO. BUT THAT STRENGTHENS THE POSITION FOR THE A LEGISLATIVE ASSESSMENT IN THE QUEUE PROBABLY WOULD BE THE EASTERN COUNTIES, BECAUSE MY PRECONCEIVED IDEA WOULD BE CAROLINA OR ANY OF THE ROLLING OR KENT COUNTY NORTH.

THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT MOVING ANY SOIL, THEY'RE JUST DRIVING POST RIGHT THROUGH A VAULT.

WHERE US, US SOUTH. WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING SOIL.

THAT'S HOW THEY FOUND US. THEY WERE MOVING SOIL. IF THEY WERE JUST DRIVING POST, THEY MAY HAVE DROVE POST THROUGH THREE OTHER CEMETERIES ON THE SAME PROPERTY. NOBODY'S EVER GOING TO KNOW IT. THEY JUST HAPPENED TO START CUTTING TOPSOIL OFF AND CUT INTO ONE.

SO CARROLL COUNTY, THEY DON'T MOVE DIRT. AND WASHINGTON COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY, THEY'RE NOT MOVING EARTH LIKE WE'RE MOVING IT HERE SOUTH I SEE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE RELEVANT RELEVANT TO WICOMICO, WORCESTER, SOMERSET, DORCHESTER, TALBOT, CAROLINE, QUEEN ANNE'S AFTER THAT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE ANY.

I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THAT. YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO A LITTLE DUE DILIGENCE AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE ENCOUNTERING THIS.

I HAPPEN TO KNOW COUNCIL FOR QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY, DORCHESTER COUNTY, CARROLL COUNTY, WORCESTER COUNTY, SOMERSET WHEN HE COMES BACK TO US IN FOUR MONTHS AND SAYS THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT THE COUNTY PUT FORTH WAS IGNORED BY THE STATE.

THAT'S WHEN OUR PLAN B IS WHAT WE NEED TO GO ABOUT THIS A DIFFERENT WAY.

AND THAT'S WHEN MAYBE JEFF FINDS OUT WHO HIS SIX COUNTERPARTS ARE FROM HERE, SOUTH ON THE SHORE, AND WE SEND HIM AN EMAIL SAYING, HERE'S AN ISSUE WE HAVE.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD THE SAME THING? WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS CHANGED AT THE STATE LEVEL. WILL YOU JUMP ON BOARD WITH US? BUT I'LL BE OPTIMISTIC. NOT REALLY OPTIMISTIC.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT. THE COUNTY THE COUNTIES WISH LIST TO THE STATE WILL BE LOOKED AT BUT I.

THINK THE COUNTY IS ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING TO SOME DEGREE ITS REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO SOLAR APPLICATIONS IN CAROLINE COUNTY. AND ITS POSSIBLE THAT, AS NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THE THE STATE HAS ESSENTIALLY USURPED ALL SITE PLAN REVIEW WHEN IT COMES TO SOLAR THERE IS STILL A.

LIMITED NUMBER OF PROJECTS BASED ON KILOWATT SIZE, THAT THE COUNTY DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW.

SO AT MINIMUM, IF YOU CAN'T GET TRACTION AT THE HIGHER LEVEL, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, TO SOME DEGREE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST FOR THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO STILL HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THAT, THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT'S LOOKED INTO.

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SO, JEFF, DO YOU THINK WE'RE AT ANY POINT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR SUGGESTING A SET OF GUIDELINES FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT? I WOULD SAY I MEAN, YEAH, I PROVIDED THE THE OTHER DOCUMENTS AFTER THE LAST MEETING AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO GET THEM AND LOOK AT THEM, BUT I THINK THE COALITION GUIDE IS PRETTY GOOD.

YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THE ONLY REASON WE TABLED THAT, PER THE MINUTES, WAS BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HAD TAKEN THE TIME TO REVIEW THOSE.

SO IF WE'VE LET'S ASSUME THAT WE DID. AND YOU PROVIDED THOSE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS, I THINK IS IT IS IT JUST ARE WE SIMPLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT WE INCLUDE THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE PLANNING AND CODES WEBSITE SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A REFERENCE POINT FOR THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S THE STARTING POINT.

AND DOES THAT REALLY REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PROVIDING A RESOURCE TO THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF HOW TO CARE AND FEED THEIR BURIAL GROUND? DOES THAT REALLY REQUIRE COMMISSIONER ENDORSEMENT OR IS WITHIN THE THIN.

THE AUTHORITY OF PLANNING AND CODES IS THEIR STAFF AUTHORITY TO HEED OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE INCLUDE THAT, THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO BECAUSE IT'S NOT MANDATORY.

IT'S THESE ARE STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION AND CARE, AND THEY ARE IT'S INFORMATION ON WHAT CHEMICALS TO USE, WHAT NOT TO USE, HOW TO BE EDUCATED, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO, I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE THE CAROLINE COUNTY PLANNING AND CODES AND, YOU KNOW, THE AUTHORITY THERE. DOES THAT REQUIRE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ENDORSEMENT TO MAKE THAT KIND OF I WOULD, BECAUSE MY GUT WOULD BE REALLY, YOU GUYS WANT TO APPROVE WHEN WE ADD GYMNASTICS CLASSES AT THE RECREATION AND PARKS.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S THAT KIND OF A THING.

I THINK IT DEPENDS IN PART ON WHAT YOU WANT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW YOU WANT THEM.

ARE THEY PURELY INFORMATIONAL? I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I THINK AT THIS POINT THEY ARE.

WELL. OR ARE THEY? IS IS THIS THE STANDARD THAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO SET FOR GUIDELINES FOR THE APPROPRIATE MAINTENANCE OF BURIAL SITES, FOR EXAMPLE? HERE IS WHAT IN CAROLINE COUNTY ARE THE ACCEPTED GUIDELINES FOR APPROPRIATE MAINTENANCE OF BURIAL SITES AS OPPOSED TO. HERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS AS TO HOW YOU SHOULD APPROPRIATELY MAINTAIN A BURIAL.

HOW DOES HOW DOES GUIDELINES DIFFER FROM RECOMMENDATIONS? I MEAN, THEY'RE GUIDELINES. THEY'RE NOT ABSOLUTE.

THEY'RE. THAT'S RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND IF THAT IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S INTERPRETATION OF GUIDELINES.

THEY ARE SUGGESTIONS AND NOT REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT.

RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE REQUIREMENTS.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. RIGHT. RIGHT.

YEAH. LIKE IF LIKE IF IT GETS IF IT GETS SENT OUT IN THE TAX BILLS, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PREAMBLE OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS, YOU'RE RIGHT IN CAROLINE. THERE'S NO RULES THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN YOUR BURIAL SITE.

RIGHT. BUT IF YOU SO CHOOSE, HERE'S HOW YOU SHOULD DO IT.

DO IT RIGHT. THAT'S SO. WE JUST CAN'T STICK THIS IN THERE OR STICK A LINK TO A WEBSITE IN THERE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE YOU TAKE CARE OF IT.

WE KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE YOU CUT THE TREES, CAN'T MAKE YOU CLEAN THE STONES.

BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, HERE'S HOW YOU COULD DO IT.

OR HERE'S HOW WE THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO IT.

I STILL THINK THAT THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THIS WOULD BE TO COLLECT RESOURCES AND PUT THEM ONLINE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE THIS WELL-DEVELOPED CAROLINE COUNTY WEBSITE, AND I THINK WE HAVE A PAGE FOR OUR OWN BOARD,

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YEAH, THAT'S ON A SEPARATE WEBSITE WHERE LINKED WITH CALLED ON BOARD.

SO THAT'S COVERING ALL THE BOARDS AND CERTAINLY WHAT I SORT OF ENVISIONED FOR THIS ORGANIZATION IS THAT WE'RE MORE INFORMATIONAL THAN PRESCRIPTION.

I MEAN, I GUESS WE HAVE THAT PRESCRIPTIVE DIMENSION, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS WANTING TO KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THEIR CEMETERY.

AND I, THE, THE LAYPERSON AND, I MEAN, WE'RE LAYPEOPLE, REALLY.

I MEAN, I GUESS RANDY'S NOT, BUT I MEAN, BUT WE ALL KNOW DAVID AND I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH OLD CEMETERIES, AND I'M SURE THE REST OF YOU DO, TOO, IN SOME FASHION.

AND I, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE THINGS THAT THE COUNTY BOARD HAS GATHERED UP AND THINKS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START. AND I WOULD RATHER THAT THEY CAME TO OUR BOARD OR OUR WEBSITE.

YOU KNOW, THEY DO THE SEARCH ON GOOGLE AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE GIVEN OUR KISS OF APPROVAL TO WITH WHATEVER LEVEL OF AUTHORITY THAT, THAT HAS RATHER THAN SOME OF THE COLLOQUIAL STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE THAT IS NOT GOOD.

AND SO THAT THEY AT LEAST WE'RE GATHERING UP THE STUFF, WE'RE FULFILLING A PUBLIC FUNCTION HERE OF, OF TRYING TO BE INFORMATIONAL, JUST LIKE SUE SAYS.

AND WE'RE NOT SAYING THOU SHALT NOT DO THIS, BUT WE'RE AT LEAST TRYING TO DO OUR PUBLIC CIVIC DUTY HERE AND DIRECT PEOPLE TO GOOD RESOURCES, CURATE THEM EFFECTIVELY.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY BOARD WEBSITES DO MORE OF THAT IN GENERAL.

WELL, I'LL STOP BECAUSE I HAVE ALL KINDS OF IDEAS.

BUT SO ANYWAY, I'M HAPPY TO RUN THAT BY THE ADMINISTRATOR TOMORROW.

OKAY. I MEAN, TO THE EXTENT WE JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THEM FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, THE THE, I GUESS THE TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AT THE SAME POINT, WE ARE GIVING IT THE IMPRIMATUR OF THE COUNTY SEAL, AND THAT WAS MY CONCERN LAST TIME. YEAH, TENDS TO THAT.

THAT'S WHEN I WANT TO RUN THOSE THINGS UP THE FLAGPOLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE THREE GENTLEMEN TO WHOM I ANSWER ARE IN AGREEMENT.

BUT WE EXPECT ANYBODY ELSE. YES. MAYBE. PIZZA.

YOU'RE ALLOWED IN? YES. I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I NEED TO GO GET A GUN OUT OF MY TRUCK WHEN I OPEN THE DOOR UP, OR THERE'S NO KNOB FOR ME TO PULL IT SHUT. YEAH, I, I WOULD SAY THAT AT THAT LEVEL OF RECOMMENDING THESE ARE SORT OF INDUSTRY STANDARD THINGS THAT, THAT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO CLEAR UP WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

BUT I, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SORT OF ENTRY LEVEL STUFF THAT A BOARD CAN BE DOING THAT WELL, AGAIN, I HAVE ALL KINDS OF IDEAS, BUT IF, IF WE ARE SORT OF TASKED WITH BEING THE AUTHORITY AT THIS LEVEL OR WHATEVER WE ARE THEN I THINK THAT THAT'S WITHIN OUR PURVIEW IN A WAY THAT JIM, YOU ALWAYS BRING UP THE, THE, THE, THE TAX BILL THING WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT THIS.

AND I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH THOU SHALT IN IT SOMEHOW.

I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES OUT TO EVERYBODY, BUT. YEAH, BECAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, AND THAT'S FINE. YOU COULDN'T FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN COUNTY WEBSITE BECAUSE.

SO I'M SITTING HERE THINKING OF WHO THAT YOU AND I BOTH WOULD KNOW. SO, WHEATLEY NEIL OWNS A BUNCH OF PROPERTY.

DO YOU THINK WHEATLEY NEIL'S EVER GOING HAS BEEN GOING TO THE COUNTY OR RONNIE STINKING DIED.

KENNY STINKING STILL ALIVE. SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. ARE THEY EVER GOING TO SEE A COUNTY WEBSITE? NO, NO, BUT THEY'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DO WITH THAT PIECE OF PAPER THAT COMES WITH THEIR TAXES? WELL, THE SAME THING I DO WITH IT. YEAH, BUT YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED IF, YOU KNOW, I DO THAT NOW, THE FIRST TIME I GOT THE ONE ON THAT COUNTY RIGHT TO FARM, I READ IT.

BUT NOW, BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE SAME ONE FOR THE LAST 23 YEARS, IT SAYS THE COUNTY HAS A RIGHT TO FARM, BUT IF THAT. SO THAT MAYBE IT GOES IN THE NEWSPAPER, MAYBE IT GOES IN A MAILING OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW. OR DO WE HAVE A DO WE HAVE AN ADDRESS? DO WE HAVE AN ADDRESS LISTED, THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY OWN CEMETERIES, NOW THAT WE COULD DO A DIRECT MAILING TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU WE'RE NOT MAKING YOU DO THIS, BUT IF YOU GET A HANKERING THAT YOU WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND DO SOME CLEANING OR RENOVATING, HERE'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. THE OTHER THING WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO TO GET APPROVAL TO DO THIS IS GET AN ARTICLE LIKE THE CAROLINE REVIEW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT DISCUSSING PRESERVATION OF CEMETERIES, AND YOU COULD PROVIDE THE URLS FOR THESE DOCUMENTS,

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I'M SURE SOMEBODY AT THE CAROLINE REVIEW WOULD BE WILLING TO DO AN ARTICLE ON THAT. I'D BE TICKLED TO DEATH. YEAH. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE COOL WITH US DOING IT BEFORE WE DO IT. I'LL ADD IT TO MY LIST.

YES. THE OTHER THING WAS, DAVID, I REMEMBER YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING IN THE COALITION GUIDE WHICH YOU DID NOT AGREE WITH REGARDING CLEANING TOMBSTONES. OH, YEAH. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE MATERIALS AND WHICH IS WHY I PROVIDED ALSO THE ONE FROM THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, BECAUSE EACH OF THOSE GUIDES, THEY ALL HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE DEDICATED TO DO THAT.

BUT THE VA, YOU KNOW, THEY MANAGE HUNDREDS OF CEMETERIES ACROSS THE NATION, AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STONE IN THOSE.

AND SO THEY HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT USE.

AND THEY MENTION SOME OTHER THINGS YOU COULD USE. SO I MEAN, IT'S IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING AS MANY RESOURCES AS POSSIBLE. THAT ONE'S TITLED, YOU KNOW, CLEANING AND HEADSTONES.

SO THAT WOULD IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT CLEANING THEM, USE THIS GUIDE. IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT MAINTAINING YOUR CEMETERY HERE, USE THIS GUIDE.

OR I MEAN, I JUST THINK I AGREE WITH ERIC THAT WE WANT TO MAKE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AS WIDELY AS WE CAN SO THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS AS BEST THEY CAN. SO YEAH, I THERE IS A REAL CALL FOR OR NEED FOR SOME SORT OF CENTRAL RESOURCE FOR THIS.

I MEAN, I GET ASKED A LOT ABOUT WHAT DO YOU DO TO WHAT DO YOU CLEAN STONES WITH? AND IT'S FUNNY, WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG, BIG ISSUE.

LIKE HOW DO YOU CLEAN YOUR STONE WITHOUT DESTROYING IT AND PEOPLE SORT OF VAGUELY KNOW THAT SOME STONES ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL STONE IS CREATED EQUAL. AND SO THEY BUT THEY DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

SO, I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'S OTHER DIMENSIONS TO THIS, TOO.

LIKE WHAT? WHAT DO I DO IF I HAVE A BROKEN HEADSTONE? WHERE DO I GO FOR THAT? AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S IN THAT, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE THAT RANDY COULD HELP OUT WITH.

YOU SHOWED UP JUST IN TIME, RANDY. YOU KNOW, AND OR, YOU KNOW, RANDOMS, I THINK HAS THE MEMORIAL SALES DOWN? RANDY. I'M SORRY. I DON'T MEAN TO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO THAT UP HERE OR NOT, BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT DO THOSE THINGS, YOU COULD CONNECT THEM WITH THOSE SITES AND MAKE IT A BIT MORE OF A COMMUNITY EFFORT THAN PURELY A GOVERNMENTAL TYPE TYPE THING. THE CAROLINE REVIEW ARTICLES, I THINK, IS A GOOD IDEA.

THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND THEN THAT COULD THE ARTICLES COULD BE LISTED ON OUR WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE.

WELL, THE QUESTION THAT I GET THE MOST IS CAN I BE BURIED IN MY BACKYARD? SO WHEN WE DO THE CAROLINE REVIEW, CAN WE DO AN ARTICLE? I MEAN THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER MAYBE SHE'S ALWAYS LOOKING FOR ARTICLES. WE COULD DO THIS ONE MONTH ONE QUARTER AND DO DO THAT ANOTHER QUARTER TO ADDRESS ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE REQUIRED. AND GO ALONG WITH THAT. THE ARTICLE TITLE WILL BE CAN JIM LEWIS BE BURIED IN MY BACKYARD? ERIC, UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES, IN HIS BACKYARD SOONER THAN LATER.

WELL, WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TO TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY. IT'LL BE IN THE, IT'LL BE IN THE MINUTES THAT HE'S GOING TO.

HE'S GOING TO REPORT NEXT MEETING ON WHAT THE RESPONSE FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WERE.

I WILL REPORT BACK. I WILL IN FACT, I'LL PUT THIS IN AN EMAIL TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT I.

BUT I HAVE GOOD. I TAKE GOOD NOTES. I TAKE GOOD NOTES.

DO YOU TAKE BETTER MINUTES THAN THE AI? I'VE HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE WITH AI AS OTHERS.

I ACTUALLY HAD AN EXISTENTIAL ARGUMENT WITH AI ABOUT THE INACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED.

YEAH. AND THEN IT TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT IT FOUND THE INFORMATION IN AN ARCHIVED VERSION OF A STATE BILL.

I SAID, SO SHOW ME THE STATE BILL. AND IT JUST STARTS SPINNING.

YOU CAN'T FIND IT BECAUSE THEN I HAD TO EXPLAIN.

IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO A QUESTION I ASK YOU, TELL ME THAT.

DON'T JUST MAKE ONE UP. YEAH. RIGHT. SO IT'S AN UNDERGRADUATE RESEARCH ASSOCIATE.

EXACTLY. NO, I'LL. I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.

KATHERINE, I'M LOOKING AT THE BURIAL PRESERVATION BOARD THING, AND THAT PARTICULAR.

AND I DON'T SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN WHERE THERE IS THE CAPACITY TO ADD PUBLIC RESOURCES. I THINK THERE IS. OKAY, GREAT.

I HAVE SOME EDITING ABILITY ON THAT WEBSITE. GREAT.

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I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ON OTHER BOARD DESCRIPTIONS.

SO IF IT DOES HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, GREAT IN YOUR HANDS.

IT CAN BE MANIPULATED ON THE BCA WEBSITE. OKAY.

CALENDAR. AND GOT IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. IT CAN BE PUT IN.

GREAT. BY A SEVEN YEAR OLD. YEAH.

OKAY. NEXT.

LOOK AT THE. MEETING CALENDAR FOR 2026. YEAH, WE HAD SCHEDULED THROUGH

[Schedule September & December 2026 meetings]

I BELIEVE MARCH WILL STILL BE SIX BECAUSE DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME, RIGHT? MARCH WILL STILL BE 6:00. NO DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME STARTS THE EIGHTH.

OH, OKAY. SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU WANT THE MARCH MEETING AT 7:00? I DON'T CARE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I. IT'S STILL. IT'S STILL COLD, AND IT'S.

I'M OKAY LEAVING THAT ONE. IT'S LEAVING THAT ONE AT SIX.

I WOULD TOO. OKAY. AT SIX. WHAT'S THE DATE IN JUNE? SO THERE'S NOTHING EARLIER THAN MARCH? NO. OKAY.

NOPE. OUR NEXT MEETING IS MARCH. ONCE A QUARTER.

16, RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN WE SAID IN JUNE THE 29TH, I THINK WE SHIFTED IT FOR SOME REASON. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHY IT WAS 22ND.

NO, WE HAVE IT FOR THE 29TH, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHY THAT IS.

OKAY. IN JUNE. THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION BOARD.

OH YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT WAS 7 P.M.

THAT. AND.

SO WOULD OUR NEXT MEETING THEN BE IF WE TYPICALLY GO THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH, WOULD THAT BE SEPTEMBER 14TH? 2026 AND DECEMBER 14TH, 2026. SO THERE'S BOTH FOURTEENS. SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ESTABLISH THOSE DAYS AS OUR COMPLETE OUR 2026 CALENDAR.

OKAY, SO I WILL CHECK WITH GETTING THE MEETING ROOM, THIS MEETING ROOM FOR THOSE TIMES.

AND IF THAT WORKS, I'LL PUT THAT INTO THE CALENDAR AND SEND IT OUT.

OKAY. I WANT TO DO MINUTES WITH AI, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MEETING ROOM CALENDAR ON A WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN PULL UP AND LOOK AT RIGHT NOW. YOU WOULD THINK THEY'D HAVE THAT.

SO YOU COULD LOOK AT. SO YOU'D HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO LOOK AT IT RIGHT AWAY. I HAVE TO CHECK WITH SOMEONE ELSE ON THAT.

I KNOW, IT'S CRAZY, I LOVE YOU. OKAY.

AND I THINK SHE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY.

BUT DON'T DON'T STEAL MINE. I'VE GOT MINE. BUT.

OKAY. SO JUST JUST REMINDING YOU I WANTED TO KIND OF RUN BY YOU.

[Board Administrator Report]

AND WE GOT AN INQUIRY SUBMITTED TO THE WEBSITE FROM A REALTOR.

SO THE PROPERTY AT 4218 HARMONY ROAD THEY WANT TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET,

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AND THE REALTOR WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WERE THE RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN A BURIAL SITE WAS ON YOUR PROPERTY.

DO WE MAKE UP SPECIAL RULES FOR THIS ONE? CAN WE MAKE UP SPECIAL RULES FOR THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE PROCEED. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE PARCELS THERE.

WHAT WHAT PARCEL ARE THEY INQUIRING ABOUT? BECAUSE 4218 IS BEHIND WHERE I THINK BASED ON THIS MAP, THE CEMETERY IS IS NOT THE CEMETERY IN THAT LOOP OF THE DRIVEWAY.

OKAY. SO LET ME BRING THAT UP ON THE SCREEN. LET ME TRADE WINDOWS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE THREE SEPARATE PARCELS ON HERE.

SO THE THE I THINK THE CEMETERY IS IN THAT THAT TRIANGLE, ISN'T IT? KATHERINE. IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. LET ME WHERE TO THE SIDE OF IT, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

RIGHT.

THIS PROPERTY IS. I CAN'T SEE THAT ON AN AERIAL PHOTO.

BUT MAYBE IT IS. GOTCHA.

YOU SURE IT'S NOT ON? YOU SURE IT'S NOT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE MIDDLE PARCEL? I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I, I DON'T KNOW WHY. I WAS THINKING IT WAS IN THE HEDGEROW.

SO I WAS GIVEN THE ADDRESS OF 4218 HARMONY ROAD.

AND. OUR ARIEL BROUGHT THIS. THESE PARCELS UP. NICOLE. GREG TURNER, WHAT IS YOURS? WHAT IS YOURS? EITHER WAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THE ANSWER IS STILL THE SAME, NO MATTER WHERE IT'S AT. RIGHT? OKAY, I SEE.

OKAY. GOTCHA. SO. GOTCHA. YEP. SO IN ASKING WHEN THE REALTOR WAS ASKING BECAUSE HER INQUIRY JUST ASKED WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES? SO I'M ASSUMING, NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO VISIT. YOU KNOW, SO THE PARCEL AND.

I GUESS I SHOULD JUST PROJECT. I CAN PROJECT THIS.

YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO. I THOUGHT YOU JUST HAD TO GIVE THEM.

GIVE SOMEBODY ACCESS THAT ONE TO VISIT. YEAH, BUT I THINK PEOPLE PEOPLE.

RIGHT. IT'S SINCE SINCE IT WOULD BE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE ACCESS.

YOU CAN'T OUTRIGHT REFUSE THEM, BUT YOU CAN CONSTRUCTIVELY REFUSE IT BY NEVER BEING AVAILABLE.

WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE YOU WEREN'T TELLING THEM THEY NEEDED TO PUT A DRIVEWAY INTO IT, OR THEY NEED TO LEAVE A DRIVEWAY. YOU JUST HAVE TO ALLOW THEM ACCESS.

YEAH, WELL, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATION BASED ON THE MAP ON THIS.

IF THIS IS WHERE IF THE CEMETERY IS IN THAT LITTLE CURVE IN THE DRIVEWAY, I THINK SEE THAT HEDGEROW TO THE RIGHT SIDE, THE EAST SIDE OF IT. YEP. I THINK IT'S IN THAT HEDGEROW BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR THE RED DOT, WHICH SUPPOSEDLY IS WHERE THE BURIAL SITES ARE, AND I COULDN'T FIND A RED DOT ON THE MAP ANYWHERE.

OH, SO THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM HERE IN THAT I THINK THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE OFF OF HARMONY ROAD IS ON A DIFFERENT PROPERTY.

JEEPERS. BECAUSE I, I'M PRETTY SURE. SO THE ACTUAL LANE STARTS ON A DIFFERENT PROPERTY AND THEN GOES ON TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. I THINK. SO THIS IS THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO USE OUR WEBSITE, THIS MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ON OUR WEBSITE THAT SAYS THAT WOULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR THEM.

BUT THEY CAN LOOK IN THE COUNTY CODE AND LOOK IN THE STATE CODE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE RULES ARE.

I MEAN, ALMOST ARE YOU BETTER OFF RATHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT YOU TELLING THEM SOMETHING WRONG? YEAH.

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AND THEN GIVE THEM MR. BAKER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

IF THEY WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE CEMETERY AND CLEAN IT UP, THEN THERE'S THE GUIDELINES.

JUST DO NO HARM. THAT'S BASICALLY THE RULES. YOU DO NO HARM, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE CEMETERY IS BEING MAINTAINED EITHER. SO YOU THINK IT'S WHERE THE BLUE DOT IS? IT'S BACK THERE IN THE HEDGEROW, BACK BEHIND THE HOUSE.

OKAY, SO I'M. I'M PROJECTING. OH, WHAT IS THE BLUE DOT SUPPOSED TO MEAN? NOW. SO IF WHEN THE BURIAL SITES LAYER. FOR SOME REASON, I HAD IN MY MIND.

YEAH, I SEE WHY. SO I SEE A BLUE DOT THERE. BUT THERE'S A BURIAL SITES.

THE THING, THE THING ON THE KEY SAID IT WAS RED.

IT'S ACTUALLY MORE LIKE A THAT ONE IS BLUE, BUT THE ONE THAT'S UP THERE NOW BEING CORRECTED IS MORE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE THAT'S THE BURIAL SITE WITH A YELLOW INTERIOR.

SO OKAY, IT'S BEEN 28 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THAT FARM, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT WAS AT.

BUT I COULD BE WRONG. DON'T DEFINITELY DON'T HOLD THAT TO ME. HOLD ME TO THAT.

SO THE I NEED ONE OF THESE LITTLE LASER LIGHTS, BUT SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY THE REALTOR WAS CALLING ABOUT. AND HERE.

YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT IS PROPERLY ON THAT ONE.

THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE FENCING AROUND IT.

SO ERIC, WERE YOU SAYING THAT THAT ROAD IS A PRIVATE.

WELL, I'M PRETTY SURE I'D HAVE TO CHECK, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THAT PROPERTY GOES ACROSS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

YEAH. THIS ONE. SO NOT THE TRIANGLE BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE TRIANGLE? YEAH, I THINK IT IS ON THE NEIGHBORING FARM TO THE RIGHT.

YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE OF A QUIRK OF I'M JUST BECAUSE.

OKAY. SO ONCE AGAIN, PRIVATE ALL THE WAY OFF OF HARMON, THAT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER.

YEAH, IT STILL DOESN'T MATTER. YES, YES. BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH.

WELL, IT DOES MATTER. I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO MATTER BECAUSE THE PERSON YOU'D BE ASKING TO GO IN THE DRIVEWAY IS A DIFFERENT PERSON THAN THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE.

THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. THAT'S NOT ON US, RIGHT? WELL, SURE, SURE. THEY MAY WANT TO WALK IN FROM THE OTHER WAY.

WHO CARES? YOU KNOW, WHO CARES WHETHER THEY WOULD GO TO.

WELL, EITHER, I IMAGINE. SO DOES THERE HAVE TO BE A A DOCUMENT TO ESTABLISH A RIGHT OF WAY OVER THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE BURIAL SITE? I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S THAT'S FOR. WELL, I IMAGINE HAS THAT HOUSE THERE PROBABLY HAS SOME SORT OF THING IN THEIR DEED OR IN THE DEED OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS THEM ACCESS ACROSS THE OTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY. I THINK SOMETHING EXISTS.

YES, BUT IT'S TENUOUS. YEAH. I WOULD REFER BACK TO JIM'S ADVICE, AND I'LL DEFER TO CRYSTAL AS WELL WITH REGARD TO HOW SHE RUNS HER DEPARTMENT. BUT TO THE I ADVISE I GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO THIS BOARD.

I DON'T GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO REALTORS. THEY CALL THE COUNTY AND ASK WHAT ARE MY CLIENT'S OBLIGATIONS IF THEY WANT TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY.

MY RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION IS FEEL FREE TO CALL MY OFFICE ANY TIME.

CONSULT A LAWYER. ENGAGE US. BUT UNTIL THEN, THE COUNTY IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF GIVING FREE LEGAL ADVICE TO REALTORS ARE NOT TO PICK ON REALTORS OR ANYBODY ELSE. YOU CAN PROVIDE RESOURCES THAT OBVIOUSLY THE RISK YOU RUN IS HERE'S WHAT WE THINK YOU NEED TO DO. AND THEN THEY GO AND DO IT AND THEY GET SUED BY SOMEBODY AND THEY POINT AT THIS BOARD OR THE COUNTY.

BUT THE COUNTY TOLD US WE COULD DO IT. THEY NEED TO GET THEIR OWN LEGAL ADVICE, BUT WE COULD STILL PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S HERE'S A LINK TO THE COUNTY CODE.

HERE'S THE LINK TO THE STATE CODE. HERE'S THE LINK TO THE BURIAL PRESERVATION GUIDELINES.

DO YOUR OWN MATH RIGHT. DO YOUR OWN READING, RESEARCH AND DEDUCTION AND THAT SORT OF THING.

YES. YEAH, I THINK I SECOND WHAT JIM SAYS, AND I WOULD SAY THE OTHER END OF THAT SPECTRUM IS I KNOW FREQUENTLY FOLKS CALL INTO PLANNING AND CODES WHEN THEY WANT TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEY HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING SETBACK LINES AND, YOU KNOW, LOT COVERAGE ISSUES AND, AND THAT PLANNING AND CODES WILL ROUTINELY MEET WITH THOSE FOLKS AND DISCUSS WITH THEM WHAT THEIR, THEIR RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS ARE UNDER THE ZONING CODE.

SO THERE IS KIND OF THE OTHER END OF THAT SPECTRUM.

BUT THE WAY THE QUESTION WAS PRESENTED, I THINK JIM'S RESPONSE WAS PROBABLY MOST APPROPRIATE.

YEAH. SO I SHOULD JUST QUOTE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE REGARDING THAT.

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I MEAN, I WOULD TALK TO CRYSTAL ABOUT THAT TOMORROW IF YOU WANT.

I'M I'M AROUND IF YOU WANT TO BUZZ ME, AND THEN WE CAN CHAT ABOUT UP THERE.

YEAH, WELL, IT JUST CAME IN TODAY, AND SINCE WE HAVE A MEETING TONIGHT.

NO, NO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I JUST THINK THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY CRYSTALS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT.

SURE, I THINK SO. YEAH. OKAY. THE FIRST LEG OF THAT.

YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL WHERE THIS CAME DOWN AND CUT THAT.

SO. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. THE OTHER THING I KIND OF WANTED TO REPORT TO THE BOARD ON, WE DO GET QUESTIONS PERIODICALLY THAT PERTAIN TO THIS BOARD.

SO I HAD A CALL FROM JOHN ATKINSON WHO ANCESTORS WERE BURIED AT THE WOOD FARM WHICH THEY MOVED.

THOSE GRAVES WERE IN THE CENTER OF THAT FARM.

THEY WERE MOVED TO CLOSER TO THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE MINING.

SO HE WAS ASKING ME YOU KNOW, HOW CAN THEY JUST DO THAT? BUT I GAVE HIM THE MINUTES FROM THE BOARD WHERE THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

I ALSO GAVE HIM AN AERIAL VIEW SHOWING APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE BURIAL SITE WAS LOCATED. AND THEN I GAVE HIM ANOTHER AERIAL AFTER IT WAS MOVED, AND EVERYTHING SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN DONE APPROPRIATELY. AND NOW THAT IS FENCED IN.

THERE'S A DRIVEWAY RIGHT OFF THE ROAD TO WHERE THE BURIAL SITES ARE.

SO I GAVE THEM ALL OF THAT. AND HE WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY ADVERTISED IN THE LOCAL PAPER TWICE.

YEAH, I MEAN, I, I SAID THAT WE HAD TRIED TO LOCATE THE FAMILY AT THE TIME BUT WERE UNABLE TO.

BUT NOW HE'S GOT ALL OF HIS INFORMATION. HE'S VERY HAPPY.

SO HE HE WASN'T ANGRY ABOUT THE MOVING. HE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT CONTACTING. AND I SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE RUNNING THE PAPER, BUT, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T LIVE LOCALLY. SO I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DID WHAT? LEGALLY, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. HOW DID HE FIND OUT ABOUT IT? THAT IT HAD BEEN MOVED. BUT HE WAS AWARE THAT THE GRAVES WERE MOVED.

BUT I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, HE CALLED, LIKE, TWO MONTHS AGO, AND THEY WERE MOVED BACK IN, LIKE, 2017 OR SOMETHING. SO. WELL, THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CLARIFY FOR HIM AND REASSURE HIM THAT PROTOCOLS WERE MET AND THAT, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THAT.

ARE THERE OTHER CALLS THAT YOU GOT? JUST THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION.

SO CAN I CATHERINE ONE ONE BEFORE, DON'T FORGET BEFORE BEFORE WE GET OFF THAT SUBJECT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD BE IN THE MINUTES, BUT THE, THE MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT IT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST MEETINGS, THE GUY THAT MOVED THEM BROUGHT IN PICTURES, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WERE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD OR NOT, BUT IF THEY WERE, THIS GUY MAY LOVE TO SEE THOSE PICTURES.

HE TOOK THE GUY THAT MOVED IT, WHICH I FORGET HIS NAME.

THE GUY FROM LIKE BERKELEY OR BERKELEY? BERKELEY.

HE HAD GREAT PICTURES TO DOCUMENT ANY LITTLE PIECE OF WOOD MATERIAL, STONE REMNANT THAT HE FOUND.

THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT IF THEY IF THAT WAS ENTERED, THIS ATKINSON GUY MAY WANT TO SEE THAT.

HE WOULD THEN APPRECIATE THAT ALSO. PROBABLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT GUY THAT MOVED IT JUST SHOWED US THAT AND TOOK IT BACK WITH HIM, OR WHETHER HE LEFT THAT.

FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA.

OKAY. WELL VERY THOROUGH THOUGH, WASN'T IT? YES.

YEAH. I EMAILED HIM EVERYTHING I COULD FIND. OKAY.

BUT I'LL GO BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM THIS GUY.

BERKELEY? NO, HE'S FROM BERKELEY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS NAME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS NAME IS. WAS IT ORTEL OR.

NO, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW. IT'S THE GUY THAT MAKES THE VAULTS IN.

0000, WHAT IS IT, BRIAN? DIMAS? BRIAN. THE GUY'S NAME IS BRIAN DIMAS.

THAT DID THE MOVING. CAN YOU SPELL THAT LAST NAME?

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IT'S CHESAPEAKE VAULT COMPANY THERE IN BERKELEY.

OKAY. AND. OH. OKAY, SO THE OLD. THE OLD GUY, HE JUST GOT OUT.

OKAY. HE DID. HE GOT SOME GREAT, GREAT PICTURES.

I LEFT THAT MEETING. THINK I LEFT THAT MEETING THINKING HE DID A CADILLAC JOB.

AND IT WAS PROBABLY IT'S WAY BETTER OFF NOW THAN IT WAS BEFORE.

THERE'S A FENCE AROUND IT. IT'S RIGHT ON THE ROAD. YOU CAN GET TO IT.

AND. AND NOW THE LITTLE REMNANTS OF PIECES OF STUFF THAT WERE LEFT ARE IN CONCRETE, LITTLE CONCRETE VAULTS COMPARED TO IT WAS JUST THE WAY IT WAS GOING.

IT WAS DETERIORATING AWAY TO NOTHING. I MEAN, I LEFT THERE THINKING THIS GUY DID THE CADILLAC WAY OF EVER DOING THIS GUY.

YEAH, I THINK HE WAS PLEASED WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW, BECAUSE I DID SEND HIM A PHOTO OF THAT.

ANYWAY, SORRY I INTERRUPTED. SO, SUE, WHEREVER YOU ARE, WHATEVER QUESTION YOU ASK.

ANY OTHER CALLS? THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER INQUIRIES? NOT REALLY OTHER CALLS, BUT DAVID HAD ASKED, AND I BELIEVE CHIP ALSO HAD ASKED ABOUT OUR MAP AND OUR LAYER OF BURIAL SITES. SO I HAVE ASKED OUR NEW GIS PLANNER TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO YOU GUYS A LINK SO THAT YOU CAN SEE US ON OUR OUR AERIAL GIS MAP, HOW THE BURIAL SITES ARE MARKED. AND SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE. BUT THESE LITTLE RED DOTS. GOTCHA.

AND IF YOU CLICK ON THEM THERE'S ESSENTIALLY WELL YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE HAS A FENCE AROUND IT.

BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THAT.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ADD INFORMATION TO THAT.

OKAY. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE SOME TIME. BUT NATHAN, OUR NEW GIS PLANNER, IS GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A MAP WHERE YOU'LL HAVE THE VARIOUS SITES THERE AVAILABLE, AND ALSO THE STAT LAYER, WHICH WILL ALLOW YOU.

TO VIEW THE PROPERTY ID INFORMATION. SO IT'S LINKED RIGHT WITH STAT.

OKAY. SO ANY, ANY BURIAL SITE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF YOU CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION. SO IF THERE ARE IS A A BURIAL SITE THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOU CAN CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR SEND A LETTER. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW DAVID WAS TALKING ABOUT ADDING LONGITUDE AND LATITUDE, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS NOT THAT RIGHT.

SO SOON YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS VIA THE INTERNET.

NICE. CATHERINE, BACK TO SORT OF LIKE SUE'S QUESTION BEFORE IF LIKE, I OWN ONE OF THESE, IF I TOOK PICTURES, COULD I SEND YOU THE PICTURES? IS THERE ANY WAY TO ATTACH PICTURES TO THIS SITE THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO THEN CLICK ON A PICTURE ICON OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, THAT, THEN THEY COULD ACTUALLY SEE A REAL UP CLOSE PICTURE, SORT OF LIKE GOOGLE EARTH DOES WITH STREET VIEW.

THERE IS NOT ON OUR WEBSITE CURRENTLY, BUT ON FIND A GRAVE.

YOU CAN UPLOAD PICTURES IF A BURIAL SITE IS LISTED ON FIND A GRAVE.

YES, YES. JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT EVERY CEMETERY AND EVERY BURIAL THAT'S LISTED ON FIND A GRAVE WAS INPUT BY VOLUNTEERS OFF THE STREET.

AND MANY TIMES THEY HAVE THE NAMES OF THE CEMETERY.

WRONG. THEY HAVE THE. WHICH CEMETERY SOMEBODY IS BURIED IN IS WRONG.

THEY HAVE INCORRECT INFORMATION ABOUT THE NAMES OR DATES OF PEOPLE.

IT'S ALL VOLUNTEER. AND THERE'S NO QUALITY CONTROL PROCESS ON FIND A GRAVE SHORT OF VOLUNTEERS LIKE ME WHO GO IN AND SAY, WELL, THIS GUY IS LISTED IN THREE CEMETERIES.

HE CAN'T BE IN THREE PLACES. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S BUT IT IS A GREAT WAY TO DOCUMENT ONE TO INCLUDE LATITUDE, LONGITUDE, POINTS OF CONTACT. PEOPLE NEED TO CALL IF THEY WANTED TO VISIT THE CEMETERY.

IT'S A VERY GOOD WAY TO HAVE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE.

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AND YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THEM. AND ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE DATA THAT IS ON OUR OUR BURIAL SITE LAYER, BUT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.

WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK TO PUT IT TOGETHER. SO SO I HAVE A SPREADSHEET OF APPROXIMATELY OVER 100 CEMETERIES IN CAROLINE COUNTY THAT HAS THE DATE OF THE FIRST BURIAL, THE DATE OF THE LAST KNOWN BURIAL THAT I HAVE WHAT TYPE OF CEMETERY IT IS.

AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT ALL THE CEMETERIES, BUT I DO HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AND LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE ON SOME OF THEM SO.

WELL, AND I CAN TALK WITH NATHAN TO SEE HOW THAT DATA COULD BE IF IT COULD BE COMBINED WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

RIGHT. I'D HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING THAT TO YOU GUYS.

GREAT. AND IF I'VE GOT ERRORS IN IT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TELL ME THAT I'M WRONG.

IF WE DISCOVER THAT, WE'LL GIVE IT TO THE AI TO FIX.

OH, YEAH. NO. PLEASE. NO.

ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THE MENU? NO CONCERNS. MAKE A MOTION TO JAMES. RANDI. SUE. CALVIN. MOTION TO DISBAND THIS MEETING.

MOTION TO ADJOURN. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. OPPOSED? NO. LET'S STAY HERE. NAH.

I'M GOOD. PLEASE TURN YOUR MICROPHONES OFF. I WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE A HAPPY MERRY CHRISTMAS.

HAPPY HANUKKAH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND PLEASE BE CAREFUL OUT THERE, GUYS.

GEORGE HARRISON'S LAST.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.