Jan 28, 2026 Liquor Board (Board of License Commissioners)

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I WANT TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE CALHOUN COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS. WEDNESDAY,

[Call to Order]

[Temporary Licenses:]

[Chesapeake Culinary Center]

STAND UP AND DO YOUR RIGHT HAND. WE GOT TO DO DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. BETH BREWSTER, 518 SOUTH SECOND STREET, DENTON, MARYLAND. THANK YOU. HI, GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE CHESAPEAKE CULINARY CENTER LOCATED AT 512 FRANKLIN STREET IN DENTON, AS MENTIONED. AND THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THEIR 2026 TEN MULTIPLE EVENT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE.

TODAY, WE HAVE MISS BETH BREWSTER, WHO IS THE FOUNDER OF THE CULINARY CENTER.

AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND THEY'VE BEEN APPLYING FOR THEIR MULTIPLE LICENSE SINCE 2023.

COMMISSIONERS IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU WILL FIND THE APPLICATION, THE SITE PLAN, WHICH REMAINS THE SAME AS PREVIOUS YEARS.

AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THE ALCOHOL CERTIFICATES ARE STILL VALID UNTIL THE END OF MARCH.

SO, MISS BREWSTER, IF YOU COULD LET MR. MURRAY KNOW THAT THEY'LL NEED TO UPDATE THEIR ALCOHOL CERTIFICATIONS AND SEND THEM TO ME IN THE OFFICE.

TO REPLACE THOSE THAT'S GOING TO SOON EXPIRE, AND I WILL NOW DEFER THE APPLICANT OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU. THIS IS THE SAME LICENSE THAT YOU'VE HAD BEFORE.

I THINK. YEAH, I THINK WE'VE BEEN GOING. IS IT A LONG LOT OF YEARS? IS IT ALWAYS THE TEN? I CAN'T REMEMBER. YEAH.

HOW MANY YOU HAD ALWAYS HAD? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CULINARY CENTER HAS HAD ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THEIR EVENTS THAT THEY'VE HOSTED, SO. NOPE. I'VE INSPECTED SEVERAL BY THE CULINARY CENTER AND OWN THE CULINARY CENTER'S PROPERTY AND NO ISSUES.

YEAH. GLENN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO. YOU WANT A MOTION? THE ONE CHANGE BEFORE YOU GO. THAT HAPPENED WITH LAST YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE CHANGES.

THEY NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO STORE THEIR ALCOHOL ON PREMISE, WHICH THEY DIDN'T GET TO BEFORE, SO THAT THAT'LL BE NEW FOR THIS YEAR. AND I WANTED TO.

AND PART OF LAST YEAR, YOU WERE ALLOWED TO THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THAT TO THE LEGISLATORS AND GETTING IT PASSED AND YOUR PREMISE AND EVERYTHING IS ALL STAYING THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'VE HAD IN THE. YEAH, THERE'S NO CHANGES.

OKAY. I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD THAT WE AT LEAST IDENTIFY, AND MISS BREWSTER CAN PROVIDE AN UPDATED COPY ON THE SITE, PLAN TO JUST SHOW WHERE YOU INTEND TO STORE YOUR ALCOHOL AND KEEP UNDER LOCK AND KEY IN BETWEEN YOUR EVENTS.

JUST SHOW THE LOCATION ON THE SITE PLAN OF WHERE THAT'LL BE STORED.

OKAY, IT'S IN AN OFFICE IN A LOCKBOX JUST SO THAT WAY IT'S ON ON FILE WHERE THAT SEEMS TO BE.

ABSOLUTELY. SEND IT OVER AFTER YOU. YEP. AND WE'LL GET THAT UPDATED IN THE FILE.

OKAY, GREAT. AND THAT'S FOR ALL NONPROFITS. NOW TO WRITERS THAT THAT'S NOT JUST PERTAINS ONLY FOR MULTI EVENT HOLDERS THAT HAVE A PERMANENT PREMISE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HOLD THEIR EVENTS. OKAY. SO FOR LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THEY'RE AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.

SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNLESS THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO HAVE ONE FACILITY WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO HOLD ALL OF THEIR EVENTS.

SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. YEAH. MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE A TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR A MULTIPLE EVENT LICENSE, ACTUALLY, FOR TEN EVENTS FOR THE CHESAPEAKE CULINARY CENTER, WITH THE PROVISO THAT YOU FURNISH A FLOOR PLAN SHOWING WHERE YOU PLAN TO STORE AND SECURE THE ALCOHOL.

OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS MULTI EVENT LICENSE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU BETH. HAVE A GOOD DAY. I GUESS WE'LL JUST EMAIL THAT OVER.

YEAH. OUR NEXT IN THE TEMPORARY LICENSES IS A GREENSBORO VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY FOR THEIR 2026

[Greensboro VFC]

I'LL HAVE YOU STAND TO THE RIGHT HAND AND WE'LL DO THE OATH. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AN AFFIRMATIVE OF PENALTIES OF PERJURY?

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LARRY DICKERSON 12674 RIDGE ROAD, GREENSBORO.

GREENSBORO. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. YOU MAY BE SEATED.

THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE GREENSBORO GREENSBORO VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY LOCATED AT 13781 GREENSBORO ROAD IN GREENSBORO. THEY'VE APPLIED FOR THEIR 20 2630 MULTIPLE EVENT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE.

TODAY WE HAVE MR. LARRY DICKERSON, AND THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BEFORE THE BOARD.

IF YOU RECALL FROM LAST YEAR, MR. CHARLES TOTARO WAS PRESENT FOR THE LICENSE APPROVAL AND HAS NOW GIVEN THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MR. DICKENS DICKERSON COMMISSIONERS. IN YOUR MEETING PACKET YOU WILL FIND THE APPLICATION.

THE SITE PLAN REMAINS THE SAME AS PREVIOUS YEARS AND I'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE PLAN.

THEY'VE PROVIDED A SITE PLAN FOR 2026. I'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE INTERIOR OF MORE DETAILED PLAN FROM 2025 AS IT IS, AS IT PROVIDES A MORE DETAILED LAYOUT, AND I'VE CONFIRMED THAT THE ALCOHOL AWARENESS CERTIFICATES ARE CURRENT AND I'LL REFER THE APPLICANT BACK OVER TO YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO CHANGES TO YOUR SITE PLAN OR ANYTHING.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAD DONE, WE PUT AN ADDITION ON, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME.

EXCUSE ME GOING ALONG WITH THAT WITH THE. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO STORAGE, SO.

YES, THEY HAVE AN IDENTIFIED STORAGE AREA IN THE FREEZER AND TO THE BACK.

BUT IF YOU'D LIKE THAT DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN, WE CAN HAVE THAT DONE AS WELL ON THIS CURRENT ONE.

AND I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST SPEAKING TO THE OUTSIDE, BECAUSE I KNOW GREENSBORO DOES HOLD OUTSIDE EVENTS LIKE THEIR TRACTOR PULL RODEO AND SOME OTHER OUTDOOR EVENTS. AND I THINK SINCE PREVIOUS YEARS, YOU'VE PUT UP A FENCE FOR THAT AREA AND THAT IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THAT IN PART OF YOUR DECISION TODAY, WHETHER YOUR APPROVAL WILL BE FOR THE OUTDOOR AREA, FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY, OR IF YOU STILL INTEND FOR THEM TO COME IN FOR EACH OF THOSE OUTDOOR EVENTS.

HOW MANY OUTDOOR EVENTS DO YOU DO? SO IT WOULD BE THREE TRACTOR PULLS AND A RODEO CAR SHOW CAR SHOW.

THEY GET THEIR OWN TEMPORARY THOUGH, DON'T THEY? THE CAR SHOWS THE TOWN.

THEY GET THEIR OWN. THEY DON'T USE ANY OF YOUR STUFF AT THAT POINT.

OKAY. BASICALLY JUST THE RODEOS AND THE TRACTOR PULLS THAT YOU DO, THE TRACTOR THREE TRACTOR PULLS AND THE RODEO.

SO. SO WE WOULD BE OKAY TO INCLUDE THE TRACTOR.

THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF YOUR CURRENT LICENSE PREMISE IS IN THE BUILDING, AND I BELIEVE THAT EACH TIME YOU'VE HAD THE OUTSIDE ONES, YOU'VE HAD THEM COME IN INDIVIDUALLY TO LOOK AT.

SO IF THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO IS GOING TO USE THE OUTDOOR AREA, YOU COULDN'T APPROVE THIS AS THEIR PERMANENT LICENSED PREMISES.

YEAH. SO I TAKE THAT BACK. OKAY. SO WE JUST DO THE INDOOR, JUST DO THE INDOOR.

AND THEN FOR YOUR OUTDOOR EVENTS, THEN YOU WOULD SUBMIT TO THE BOARD FOR THOSE.

OKAY. SUBMIT FOR THEM. YEAH. I MEAN UNLESS YOU WANTED TO RESTRICT SOMEONE ELSE FROM USING THE OUTDOOR EVENT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU DO IF YOU'RE ALLOWING THE TOWN TO.

THE TOWN. I MEAN, THE TOWN USES THEIR REALLY THEIR PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GO ABOUT THE WHOLE HAVING ALCOHOL.

IT'S ON THEIR SIDE. IT'S NOT ON OUR SIDE. OKAY.

SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE PARCELS. YEAH. OKAY. SO SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR RODEO AND YOUR TRACTOR PULL, THAT'S ALL ON GREENSBORO FIRE COMPANY'S PROPERTY.

YES. SO, LIKE, AT THE END OF THE TRACK, THAT'S BASICALLY THE TOWN.

OKAY. SO IT'S ON A SEPARATE PARCEL OF LAND. YEAH, THAT'S THEIR LAND.

SO IF IT'S SEPARATE, THEN THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE FOR THE CAR SHOW THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THAT.

THEY'RE WITHIN ALMOST THAT WHOLE FENCED IN AREA.

SO I THINK THEY'RE STILL KIND OF MINGLING OKAY.

BACK AND FORTH. I THINK I THINK WE'D BE BETTER OFF TO LEAVE THE OUTDOOR AS A SEPARATE VENUE TYPE THING THAT SO THAT BASICALLY FOR THE TRACTOR PULLS, THE RODEOS. AND IF YOU GUYS DECIDE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS MAY VENTURE INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IF YOU GUYS DO. YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT A SEPARATE PERMIT FOR ONE DAY, 1 OR 2 DAY THING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE FOR THE WHOLE WEEKEND. SO THOSE WOULD STILL REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO COME BACK IN, FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, AND COME BACK IN AGAIN FOR A TEMPORARY APPROVAL.

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YOUR 30 EVENT WOULD COVER ANYTHING THAT GOES ON WITHIN THE BUILDING.

OKAY. IF WE MAKE A MOTION, SHOULD WE HAVE AN UPDATE FOR INTERIOR WATER STORAGE? YES. YOU CAN MAKE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION AS WELL.

OKAY. SO THAT WAY IT'S JUST ON. YEAH. BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ADDED THAT SIDE AND THEY PUT A FREEZER IN THAT ONE SECTION ON THAT SIDE.

MOST OF IT'S FOR STORAGE OF TABLES AND CHAIRS.

BUT DIDN'T THEY DO AN INSIDE REFRIGERATOR OR FREEZER AREA.

YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED WAS WE PUT AN ADDITIONAL IN FOR STORAGE, AND IT CAME WITH A WALK IN COOLER AND A WALK IN FREEZER.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT IT. I MEAN, THE THE BAR HAS STAYED THE SAME.

CORRECT. BOTH DOORS ARE LOCKED 24 OVER SEVEN.

AND THEN THE ALCOHOL IS LOCKED UP. BUT JUST JUST FOR I THINK JUST FOR OUR REFERENCE, JUST ALL WE NEED IS JUST AN UPDATED VERSION SHOWING WHERE THAT ADDITION WENT DOWN THAT SIDE OF THAT BUILDING.

AND AND LIKE, DIVIDE IT OFF SAYING THAT THIS IS A FREEZER SECTION.

THIS IS A COOLER SECTION. THIS IS STORAGE FOR THE TABLES AND CHAIRS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

YEAH. THAT WAY IT'LL BE ON YOUR FILE. THAT WAY IT'LL BE IN THE FILE.

SO IF ANYTHING EVER COMES UP SOMEBODY FILES A COMPLAINT, SAYS SOMETHING.

IT IT'LL BE SHOWN WHEN WHEN IT GETS BROUGHT UP IT WOULD BE SHOWN.

OKAY. FROM THE RECORDS I'M LOOKING AT, GREENSBORO FIRE COMPANY OWNS THE WHOLE 17 ACRES FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

ROAD DOWN IS ALL OWNED BY THE FIRE COMPANY. KNOWLEDGE TO ME.

I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE TOWN OWNED.

SO THEY OWNED. ONE SIDE, THEY OWN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PROPERTY IN THE BACK.

BUT EVERYTHING IN THE FRONT IS OWNED BY THE FIRE COMPANY.

SO BASICALLY, LIKE IF YOU LOOK, THERE IS A PORTION LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL WHERE THE END OF THEIR TRACK IS FOR THE TRACTOR PULLS, THERE IS A TRIANGULAR PORTION IN THAT VERY BACK CORNER THAT THE THAT TOWN DOES OWN, BUT IT'S A SMALL AREA.

GENEVA. YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU GO ON THE SHARE DRIVE AND PULL UP THE THE MAP, THE AERIAL MAP THAT SHOWS THE PARCEL LINES, THE SHARE DRIVE. YOU SAID. WHERE? YEAH. I'LL SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE.

IT'S EASIER SINCE YOU GOT THE SCREEN UP. YES.

OKAY. GO TO THE. TOP. OKAY. AND THE ALTERNATIVE.

OKAY. I KNOW WHEN THEY DO THE CAR SHOW, THEY USE PART OF THE TOWN PROPERTY FOR WHERE THEY DO THE BURNOUT PITS BECAUSE THEY GO ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THAT ROAD, THIS ONE GOES BACK TOWARDS THE TREATMENT PLANT.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE CASE RIGHT HERE. OH, THIS ONE THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

I CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. NOT THAT IT'S A BIG DEAL.

NOT FOR THIS THIS SCENARIO. WE'RE JUST AND IT'S THIS ONE SIDE.

THIS IS THE TOWN PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO AND THE GREENSBORO FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GOOD.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY ISSUES THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM. AND AS I'VE RECENTLY THIS YEAR BOTH THE TOWN AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN CHECKED AND UNDERAGE CHECKS AND PAST.

I SEE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. AND THEN THIS IS THE TOWN.

SO THAT TRIANGULAR LITTLE PIECE AT THE END OF THAT TRACK IS WHAT THE TOWN ENDS.

OKAY, SO TODAY, THAT TRIANGULAR PART, THEY HOLD EVERYTHING ON THAT SIDE.

NOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE CARS PARKED ON OUR SIDE WHERE THE FENCE IS THE PERMANENT FENCE, BUT.

I GUESS THEIR ALCOHOL IS TECHNICALLY ON THEIR TOWN PROPERTY.

SO BUT STILL WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE MORE WE'RE JUST APPROVING THE INSIDE PREMISE AREA.

OKAY. AND JUST ASKING FOR AN UPDATED DRAWING FOR THE OUTDOOR EVENTS FOR THE FOR THE ADDITION THAT WAS DONE ONTO THE BUILDING.

OKAY, SO YOU'VE CHECKED EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING'S GOOD.

YES. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN HAVE BOTH BEEN CHECKED ROUTINELY.

GREAT THINGS FROM THEM. THEY ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST NINE YEARS. THEY'VE ALWAYS COMPLIED.

AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE PASSED THE UNDERAGE CHECKS BOTH TOWN AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT.

NOT TODAY. WE'LL HAVE TO GET INTO IT LATER. OKAY.

I'M FINE WITH THE APPLICATION. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS ONE, GLENN? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I MOVE, WE APPROVE. GREENSBORO VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES 2026 MULTIPLE EVENT LICENSE FOR 30 EVENTS.

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AND THAT THIS EVENT LICENSE DOES ONLY INCLUDE THE INSIDE PREMISE AREA OF THE BUILDING.

I SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS LICENSE FOR THE GREENSBORO VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES MULTI-EVENT LICENSE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO. WHEN YOU MARK IT WHEN YOU DO THAT TROLLING OR WHATEVER, MAKE SURE YOU PUT WHERE YOUR STORAGE AREA IS. OKAY.

YEAH. THAT DIDN'T CHANGE THOUGH AS FAR AS WHERE YOU'RE STORING IT.

IT'S STILL BACK OFF OF THAT KITCHEN AREA. CORRECT? YEAH. STORAGE DIDN'T CHANGE. IT DIDN'T CHANGE.

IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT THE ADDITION WAS DONE.

THERE'S SOME MORE STUFF THERE. SO JUST. YEAH, JUST MARK IT OUT THAT WAY.

YOU'RE COVERED. IT'S IT'LL BE ON THE RECORD. IS THERE A CERTAIN LIKE, TIME YOU NEED THAT BY? I WOULD DON'T BE THREE MONTHS. BUT I WOULD SAY SOMETIME IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS IF IT CAN GET DONE.

I JUST GOT TO GET OUT THERE. YEAH. NO, I GET IT.

MAKE RICH DO IT. MR. DICKERSON, JUST SEND ME.

YOU COULD JUST SEND IT TO ME. THE SITE PLAN, AND THEN I'LL GET YOUR LICENSE READY.

OKAY. I'LL BE IN TOUCH. NO PROBLEM. ACTUALLY, HE CAN DO JUST INTERIOR.

JUST THE INTERIOR THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

WE DON'T NEED TO HOLD UP. WE JUST NEED TO BUILD AN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING. HE COULD DO IT AS AN ADDENDUM.

YEAH, JUST WHAT THEY DID. THEY DID. THEY WENT DOWN THIS SIDE OVER HERE.

I'M JUST SAYING HE COULD JUST DO AN ADDENDUM AND WE CAN ADD IT TO THIS SIDE.

YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE. YEAH. I COULD FORWARD HIM THE DRAWING FROM 2025.

YEAH, YEAH, JUST TELL HIM TO CHANGE. JUST MAKE THE CHANGE ON THE BUILDING.

HE WAS JUST THINKING HE'S GOT TO GO OUT AND DO THE WHOLE AREA.

OKAY, SO I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH HIM TO LET HIM KNOW.

I THINK YOU SHOULD TOUCH BASE WITH HIM. YOU KNOW.

YOU KNOW THE DRILL, DON'T YOU? SIT DOWN. I'M NOT.

[Caroline County Chamber of Commerce]

THEY HAVE A ONE DAY APPLICATION. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. TRACY SNYDER, 8907 OSTERMAN COURT, DENTON, MARYLAND.

THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAVE CAROLINE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, LOCATED AT 108 MARKET STREET, DENTON, MARYLAND.

WHO SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION FOR A ONE DAY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE TO HOLD AN EVENT AT THE COW BARN WHICH IS LOCATED AT 101 COW BARN ROAD IN RIDGELY, MARYLAND. TODAY WE HAVE MISS TRACY SNYDER, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHO HAS BEEN WITH THE BOARD, WHO'S BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD, EXCUSE ME MULTIPLE TIMES AND YEARS REPRESENTING THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

AND SHE HAS APPLIED FOR THE ONE DAY LICENSE, AS MENTIONED FOR THEIR CHAMBER MIXER MEMBER APPRECIATION GALA TO BE HELD ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH FROM 4 P.M. TO 8 P.M..

THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS REQUESTING TO SELL BEER AND WINE AT A CASH BAR WITH NO DJ BEING USED, AND IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU'LL FIND THE APPLICATION, THE SITE PLAN FROM COW BARN.

AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THE ALCOHOLIC AWARENESS CERTIFICATES ARE VALID, AND I'LL REFER THE APPLICANT BACK OVER TO YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR.

SO THIS IS. YES. SO THIS IS OUR ANNUAL MEETING.

THE CHAMBER IS OBLIGATED BY BYLAWS TO DO ONE ANNUAL MEETING A YEAR.

WE CALL IT AN APPRECIATION. INSTEAD OF OUR AWARDS DINNER, WE WILL DO MEMBER APPRECIATION FOR ALL MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN OUR MEMBERSHIP ONE YEAR, UP TO AS LONG AS THEY'VE BEEN WITH US. WE'LL SERVE BEER AND WINE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HEAVY APPETIZERS. THE CULINARY IS GOING TO BE OUR CATERER.

I'M THE TIP CERTIFIED PERSON, AS WELL AS ELLIE COLLISON, WHO IS UP TO DATE.

MARTY WILL BE ON SITE TOO, BUT I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE OVERSEEING EVERYTHING.

SO IT'S JUST AN AWARDS NIGHT. IT'S IT'S FOUR HOURS LONG.

WE'LL PROBABLY END AROUND SEVEN, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD IT UNTIL EIGHT.

IT'S ALL INDOOR, ALL INDOOR, INDOOR TO HAVE OUTDOOR STUFF, RIGHT? TWO COLD IN FEBRUARY TO HAVE OUTDOOR. SO IT WILL BE IN THE MAIN BARN AREA.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? TRACY IN THE CHAMBER HAVE ALWAYS DONE A GREAT JOB.

I'VE ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE CERTIFIED PERSON AND YOU'RE ALWAYS WHO I DEAL WITH WHEN I GO THERE.

IS THE ALCOHOL BEING BROUGHT THERE BY YOU? IS IT GOING TO BE? NO. WE'LL PROBABLY USE WELL, SOMETIMES WE DO THAT, BUT MY GOAL IS TO ALWAYS HAVE RED LIGHT DELIVER IT THAT WAY.

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I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE BARTENDING LIKE THE LAST EVENT. YEAH. NO WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOING THAT.

OKAY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. DO YOU DO WRISTBANDS? WE DO, WE DO WRISTBANDS WITH EVERYTHING. THAT WAY, IF TREY SHOWS UP, EVERYONE HAS A WRISTBAND.

SO YES, WE DO. WE DO WRISTBANDS. WE HAVE THEM ON SITE.

WE CHECK EVERYONE'S ID. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES? ALL RIGHT. READY FOR MOTION? YEAH. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

CAROLINE COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE'S MEMBER APPRECIATION GALA ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY THE 26TH, FROM 4 TO 8 P.M.. IT'S FOR BEER AND WINE. I SECOND THE MOTION.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR THE CHAMBER MIXER MEMBER APPRECIATION GALA.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO MOVED.

GOOD LUCK. THANKS, GUYS. THANK YOU. TRACY. THANKS, TRACY.

I'LL BE IN TOUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OF COURSE.

NEXT ON THE LIST IS THE CAROLINE ADULT DAYCARE FOUNDATION.

[Caroline County Adult Day Care Foundation]

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BE SEATED. OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE CAROLINE COUNTY ADULT DAYCARE FOUNDATION, LOCATED AT 403 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET, SUITE 141, IN DENTON, MARYLAND. THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION FOR A ONE DAY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE TO HOLD AN EVENT AT PRESTON VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 3680 CHOPTANK ROAD IN PRESTON, MARYLAND.

AND TODAY, AS MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE DEBBIE. DEBBIE BOWDEN, REPRESENTING CAROLINE COUNTY ADULT DAYCARE FOUNDATION, WHO IS APPLIED FOR THE ONE DAY LICENSE FOR THEIR SHAKE OFF WINTER DINNER AND FUNDRAISER TO BE HELD ON FRIDAY, MARCH 6TH, 2026 FROM 6 TO 9 P.M.. THE NATURE OF THE EVENT IS A BUFFET DINNER AND AUCTION AND A 5050. 5050 TO RAISE FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE CAROLINE COUNTY ADULT DAYCARE FOUNDATION.

THE FOUNDATION IS REQUESTING TO SELL BEER AND WINE AT A CASH BAR WITH NO DJ BEING USED.

THE ESTIMATED NUMBER OF ATTENDEES IS 150, AND ADVERTISING WILL BE DONE THROUGH FLIERS AND SOCIAL MEDIA.

THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE WILL BE PURCHASED FROM RED LIGHT LIQUORS.

THERE WILL BE PERSONS UNDER THE AGE OF 21 PRESENT, SO THERE PREVENTIVE MEASURES WILL BE PROOF OF AGE AT THE TIME OF ORDERING A BEVERAGE. VEHICLE PARKING WILL BE IN THE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THE PRESTON FIRE HALL.

NO SECURITY OR CROWD CONTROL MEASURES WILL BE USED AND NO PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS OF LAWS, RULES OR REGULATIONS CONCERNING THE SALE AND OR DISPENSING OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. NO RAIN DATE IS CURRENTLY PLANNED AND COMMISSIONERS.

IN YOUR MEETING PACKAGE, YOU WILL FIND THE APPLICATION, THE ADVERTISEMENT, THE SITE PLAN FROM PRESTON VFC AND I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THE ALCOHOLIC AWARENESS CERTIFICATES ARE VALID AND I'LL REFER THE APPLICANT BACK OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WHAT YOUR EVENT IS ABOUT? YES. THANK YOU. SO THE ADULT DAYCARE FOUNDATION RAISES FUNDS FOR SUPPORTING THE MEDICAL ADULT DAYCARE FOUNDATION OR FACILITY, WHICH IS HERE. AND WE ARE HOSTING A DINNER ON MARCH 6TH IN HOPES OF FUNDRAISING.

TWOFOLD. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL TICKETS AT A COST THAT'S MORE THAN WHAT THE COST IS TO US.

SO WE'LL GET A PROFIT ON EACH DINNER TICKET SOLD.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE AUCTION AND A 5050 RAFFLE TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR REVENUE FROM THAT NIGHT, AND WE WILL SELL BEER AND WINE AT A TO JUST TO AUGMENT THE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE OF THE DINNER.

WE ARE ENCOURAGING WE ANTICIPATE THAT SINCE IT'S A FRIDAY NIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT A 150 PEOPLE WE DO HAVE TICKET SALES, AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTROL THE NUMBER OF TICKETS.

THERE WON'T BE TICKETS SOLD AT THE DOOR. IT HAS TO BE PRE-SOLD TICKETS.

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WERE YOU DOING, LIKE, WRISTBANDS OR ANYTHING TO GO ALONG WITH THAT SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO KEEP ID IN YEAH.

YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT UNTIL I HEARD YOU ASK THAT QUESTION OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY IMPLEMENT IS JUST TO DO AN ID AT THE, AT THE DOOR BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO CHECK IN ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE PURCHASED A TICKET.

SO YES, WE WILL DO A WRISTBAND. OKAY. MIGHT MAKE IT SIMPLER FOR YOU.

YEAH. EASIER ON YOUR BARTENDERS AND PROBABLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE EVENING.

EXACTLY. YEAH. SO I'M GLAD I WAS THREE INSTEAD OF FIRST ONE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS? I'VE NOT HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS FOUNDATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH PRESTON FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO I SEE NO ISSUES.

JUST FOR THE RECORD, PRESTON FIRE COMPANY DOES NOT HOLD A MULTIPLE EVENT LICENSE.

SO FIRST QUESTION. YEAH, NO ISSUE THERE. I THINK THAT THEY DID THE MULTI LICENSE.

THEY DON'T. SO WHERE DO YOU GET THE ALCOHOL? WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO RED LIGHT LIQUORS.

YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. SURE. I HAVE NO. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S ALL INDOORS.

IT'S IN THE BIG ROOM AT THE FIREHOUSE. THE PARKING IS EASY.

IT'S PAVED AREA FOR PEOPLE, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

OKAY. OKAY. YOU WANT TO DO A MOTION? SURE. I'LL DO THE MOTION.

I MAKE THEM I MOVE TO APPROVE CAROLINE COUNTY ADULT DAYCARE FOUNDATIONS.

SHAKE OFF WINTER DINNER AND FUNDRAISER FOR FRIDAY, MARCH 6TH, 2026 FROM 6 P.M.

TO 9 P.M.. I SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR CAROLINE COUNTY ADULT DAYCARE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. I'LL BE IN TOUCH. THE NEXT ONE IS FOR CHILDREN EXPLORATION ORGANIZATION APPLICATION.

[Children Exploration Organization ]

MY ADDRESS IS 921 PINE DRIVE, DENTON, MARYLAND.

THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE CHILDREN'S EXPLORATION ORGANIZATION LOCATED AT 921 PINE DRIVE IN DENTON, MARYLAND, IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES CHILDREN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE EDUCATED WHILE VISITING MUSEUMS, AQUARIUMS, HISTORIC AND GEOLOGICAL LANDMARKS.

TODAY. PRESENT. WE HAVE MISS ANGELA. PRONOUNCE IT, KOJO.

I'VE BEEN SAYING IT THE WRONG WAY. NO. KOJO. THANK YOU.

THE TREASURER AT THE ORGANIZATION CHILDREN EXPLORATION HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR ROUGHLY TEN YEARS.

AND MR. KOJO HAS SUBMITTED A ONE DAY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE TO HOLD A BASKET OF CHEER RAFFLE EVENT ON SUNDAY, MARCH 29TH, 2026, FROM 12 TO 4 P.M. AT THE GOLDSBORO VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, LOCATED AT 700 OLD LINE ROAD IN GOLDSBORO, MARYLAND. RAFFLE TICKETS WILL BE SOLD IN PERSON AND IDS CHECKED TO ENSURE RAFFLE TICKET SALES ARE BEING SOLD TO 21 YEARS AND OLDER. THE ORGANIZATION IS REQUESTING TO SELL WINE AND LIQUOR VIA TICKET SALES AND NO DJ WILL BE USED.

THE ORGANIZATION IS ESTIMATING 50 ATTENDEES AND ADVERTISING WILL BE DONE VIA SOCIAL MEDIA AND WORD OF MOUTH.

THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WILL BE PURCHASED AS WELL AS DONATED FROM LOCAL LIQUOR STORES.

THERE WILL BE A. THERE WILL BE PERSONS UNDER THE AGE OF 21 AT THE EVENT, AND THERE WILL BE TWO PEOPLE AT THE FRONT DOOR FOR CROWD CONTROL.

I CONFIRMED WITH MISS COWGILL, EXCUSE ME, THAT NO ALCOHOL WILL BE ON THE PREMISES.

BUT PHOTOS OF THE BASKETS TO REFRAIN FROM HAVING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON THE PREMISES.

THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WILL BE STORED AT THE ORGANIZATION'S PREMISES.

AND AFTER THE DRAWING, THE WINNING PERSONS WILL RECEIVE THEIR BASKET OF CHEER AT ANOTHER LOCATION OUTSIDE OF GOLDSBOROUGH'S.

VFC, THERE IS NO SCHEDULED RAIN DATES. SITE PLAN FOR WHERE THE BASKET OF CHEERS WILL BE STORED HAS BEEN PROVIDED.

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PLEASE NOTE THAT ON THE APPLICATION THE PROPERTY OWNER SECTION WAS IS MISSING.

BECAUSE THE ALCOHOL IS NOT BEING STORED ON GOLDSBOROUGH'S PREMISE, BUT INSTEAD THE ORGANIZATION'S LOCATION.

AND I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO MISS ANGELA REGARDING THAT.

SHE'S GOING TO FINALIZE THE SIGNATURE AND GET IT NOTARIZED ONCE APPROVED.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD, IF APPROVED, THAT CONDITIONS BE MADE FOR HER TO GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE THE APPLICATION SECTION.

SO I WILL REFER THE APPLICANT BACK OVER TO YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WANT TO GIVE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE AS FAR AS THE EVENT OR THE NONPROFIT.

SO IS THE THE EVENT. YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT SERVING? NO. SO WE'RE JUST SO I BROUGHT A PICTURE. OF LIKE THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LIKE A BASKET WITH CELLOPHANE ON IT.

AND THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY BE THERE BECAUSE OF GOLDSBORO ALREADY HAS A LIQUOR LICENSE.

SO WE'RE NOT INTERFERING WITH THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A PICTURE THERE, RAFFLE IT OFF, AND THEN AT OUR EVENT THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING A BINGO THAT DAY, AND THEN WHOEVER WINS THE RAFFLE, WE'RE GOING TO MEET THEM AT ANOTHER LOCATION AND EXCHANGE THE BASKET AT ANOTHER TIME.

SO YOU DO HAVE AN EVENT THERE THAT DAY? YES. OKAY.

YES, YES. SO WE'RE DOING. YEAH. SO WE'RE DOING A BINGO THERE THAT DAY.

BUT WE HAD ANOTHER ONE PLANNED. WE HAVE ANOTHER BINGO.

BUT IT WAS JUST TOO TIGHT WITH THE BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE IN FEBRUARY, SO WE'RE JUST DOING IT AT THIS NEXT ONE.

BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT WOULD ONLY GIVE US, LIKE, ONE WEEK TO, LIKE, ADVERTISE AND TRY TO DO THE RAFFLING AND STUFF.

SO WE WOULD PUSH IT BACK TO THIS EVENT. AND WE WERE ALSO LOOKING, IF THIS GOES WELL, AS POSSIBLY MAYBE DOING IT AT A COUPLE OF THE OTHER BINGOS THAT WE'RE DOING. JUST KIND OF SEE HOW THIS GOES.

SURE. BASICALLY UNDER THE SAME GUIDELINES, THOUGH, THAT YOU'LL YOU'LL KEEP THE BASKET AT YOUR PLACE.

YEAH. BASICALLY, YEAH. UNTIL IT'S OVER WITH. THEN YOU'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THAT.

THE WINNER TO ACTUALLY MEET UP WITH YOU AND EITHER PICK IT UP OR YOU.

YEAH, BRING IT TO THEM OR SOMETHING. YEAH. I'M ASSUMING THAT SHE'S PROBABLY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH YOU TO TO KIND OF WORK THE LOGISTICS OF THIS OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATIONS BEING DONE. WELL, THIS IS A UNIQUE CASE, BUT YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AS A GROUP.

AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A TACTIC THAT I'VE USED IN THE PAST, AND I APPLAUD HER FOR COMING IN BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT I CATCH OUT THAT DO JUST THIS, THIS. AND THEN YOU WOULD MAKE A PHONE CALL? YES. AFTERWARDS? WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO. WE WERE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING LEGAL AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE IT.

IS GOLDSBORO THEMSELVES GOING TO HAVE THEIR BAR OPEN? NO, THERE'S NO NO ALCOHOL WHATSOEVER THAT DAY.

IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A BINGO. SO IT'S JUST. OKAY.

A DRY BINGO A DRY BINGO. WE JUST DO DRY BINGO.

AND AND GOLDSBORO DOES HAVE THEIR ALCOHOL LOCKED UP AS WELL.

YEAH I KNOW. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THAT THAT ROOM CLOSES OFF, LOCKS UP AND EVERYTHING.

SO YOU'RE LICENSED PREMISE AREA WILL BE AT THE 921.

SO BASICALLY WE'RE APPROVING FOR ANGELA TO KEEP THE BASKET AT HER HOME AND SELL TICKETS FOR IT.

AND SO AND NO TICKET SALES IN ADVANCE. IT'S ONLY THE DAY OF THE BINGO.

WELL, NO, WE WERE GOING TO DO IT IN ADVANCE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHECK. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN PERSON. OKAY.

WITH PEOPLE AND CHECKING THEIR I.D. SO THEY CAN'T GO AND SCAN SOMETHING OFF OF FACEBOOK POST AND BUY A TICKET THAT WAY.

NO, WE HAVE LIKE WE HAVE LIKE ACTUAL LIKE TICKETS WHERE WE'RE GONNA, LIKE, PUT THEIR NAMES ON IT AND GIVE THEM THE OTHER.

AND YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY DO IT IN PERSON. SOUNDS LIKE A HOPEFULLY IT'S A GOOD FUNDRAISER FOR YOU.

OKAY. CAN YOU TELL US QUICKLY? SURE. ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION? I'VE NOT HEARD OF THIS. SURE. SO WE DO EDUCATIONAL TRAVEL FOR CHILDREN IN THE AREA.

I STARTED THE NONPROFIT ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO TO GIVE CHILDREN THE CHANCE TO TRAVEL AND SEE MORE OF THE WORLD.

SO WE'VE BEEN TO WE STARTED OUT SMALL, DOING, LIKE, BUS TRIPS TO, LIKE, NEW YORK, TAKING THE KIDS TO NEW YORK AND D.C.

AND DID, LIKE, SOME CAMPING TRIPS. PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE DID A TRIP TO EUROPE, TEN DAYS AROUND EUROPE. WE DID ALASKA TRIP TWO YEARS AGO.

AND THEN LAST YEAR WE DID A TRIP TO BERMUDA AND BAHAMAS AND THEN SO THIS NEXT ONE THEY'RE TRYING TO RAISE MONEY FOR IS THEY WANT TO DO A TRIP AROUND

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I'M A KID AT HEART. CAN YOU SEND ME? YEAH. I WAS LIKE, GOOD BERMUDA.

WELL, IT'S A IT'S A DEVELOPMENTAL ASSET THAT YOU'RE OFFERING CHILDREN.

YEAH. GOOD IDEA. YEAH. I THINK I SAW THE THING WHEN YOU DID THE ITALY THING.

I THINK I REMEMBER SEEING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T RING A BELL WHEN I SAW THE THE ORGANIZATION, AND I WAS LIKE, I DON'T. BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT ITALY THAT.

YEAH, I THINK I REMEMBER SEEING STUFF ABOUT THAT BEFORE.

OKAY. YOU READY FOR MOTION? YEAH. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE A TEMPORARY LICENSE FOR THE CHILDREN EXPLORATION ORGANIZATION.

FOR A BASKET OF CHEER RAFFLE TO BE HELD AT THE GOLDSBOROUGH VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY.

YEAH. ON SUNDAY, MARCH THE 29TH, FROM NOON TO 4 P.M..

SHOULD I ADD IN MY APPROVAL THAT THE LICENSE PREMISE AREA, THE LICENSED PREMISE AREA IS LICENSED PREMISES PINE DRIVE.

IS THAT CORRECT? WOULD BE AT AT AT ANGELA'S RESIDENCE AT PINE DRIVE.

YEAH. 921 PIE DRIVE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, BUT I, I APPROVE.

ALSO. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE APPROVE THIS BASKET OF CHEER FOR THE CHILD EXPLORATION ORGANIZATION. THE EVENT IS TO BE HELD AT THE GOLDSBORO FIRE COMPANY.

THE BASKET OF CHEER IS TO BE HELD AT 921 PINE DRIVE, DENTON, MARYLAND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. THERE YOU GO.

YEAH. TO OUR OFFICE AND NOTARIZED. OKAY. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, AND I'LL BE IN TOUCH.

[Request for Approval of Alcoholic Beverage Deliveries:]

APPROVALS FOR PRESTON SUPER SODA. AND I WISH TO SPEAK.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND WE'LL DO THE OATH. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

[Preston Super Soda]

YEAH. SORRY. 101 MAPLE AVENUE, PRESTON, MARYLAND.

THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. SO, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE PRESTON.

SUPER, SUPER, SUPER SODA. EXCUSE ME. LOCATED AT 101 MAPLE AVENUE IN PRESTON, MARYLAND, AND REPRESENTING.

SUPER SODA TODAY IS MR. PARTHIV PATEL, THE OWNER AND LICENSE HOLDER.

MR. PATEL IS INTERESTED IN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE DELIVERIES AND HAS PRESENTED THE BOARD WITH A LETTER REQUESTING APPROVAL AND OUTLINING HOW THE BUSINESS PLANS TO IMPLEMENT DELIVERIES FROM USING THE DOORDASH THIRD PARTY PLATFORM FOR TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT ONLY. TO WHOM WILL BE MAKING THEY WILL BE ACTUALLY MAKING THOSE DELIVERIES.

SO MR. PATEL OUTLINED SAFEGUARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, INCLUDING THE AGE VERIFICATION AT ORDERING, AGE AND IDENTITY VERIFICATION AT DELIVERY, DELIVERY, DRIVER TRAINING AND COMPLIANCE, WHICH MR. AND MRS. PATEL WILL BE THE DRIVERS FOR NOW. RESTRICTED DELIVERY LOCATIONS AND HOURS, RECORD KEEPING AND OVERSIGHT.

SO IN YOUR PACKAGES. COMMISSIONERS MR. PATEL.

PROVIDED RESOURCES FROM THE DOORDASH TECHNOLOGY PLATFORM ALONG WITH HIS REQUEST LETTER OF APPROVAL.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW AND NOW I WILL REFER IT TO THE APPLICANT.

BACK TO YOU. OKAY. LET ME GIVE AN EXPLANATION.

YES. SO I WAS IN TALKS WITH DOORDASH TECHNICAL DEPARTMENT.

SO THEY ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE US TECH FOR EXAMPLE.

LIKE THEY'LL PROVIDE US A TAB AND THE APPLICATION ON THE MOBILE PHONE.

SO WHEN ANY ORDER COMES IN WE WILL PACK THE ORDER.

ME OR MY WIFE, LIKE WE BOTH ARE THE ONLY STAFF AT THE STORE.

SO EITHER OF US WOULD VERIFY THE ORDER. THE AGE WOULD BE LIKE LET'S SAY, ANY DOORDASH USER CUSTOMER.

SO WHENEVER THEY PLACE AN ORDER, DOORDASH VERIFIES THEIR AGE ON THEIR PLATFORM, THEN WE HAVE THE ORDER ON OUR SYSTEM.

WE FULFILL THE ORDER, THEN WE DELIVER AT THE DELIVERY.

WE HAVE THE APP TO VERIFY. LIKE WE SCAN THE LICENSE AND ID WE VERIFY MANUALLY.

LIKE IF SOMEONE IS INTOXICATED OR LIKE VISUALLY, WE VERIFY.

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IF EVERYTHING MATCHES, WE DELIVER. IF IT DOESN'T MATCH OR THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG, WE JUST TAKE THE ORDER BACK.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE THIS IS ALL NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR EVERYBODY.

OKAY. I MEAN, THIS IS IT'S IT'S UP AND COMING, BUT SO DOORDASH HAS THE CUSTOMER'S ID, I GUESS ON FILE.

YES. THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE, A PHOTO ID? YES.

SO THEN WHEN YOU DELIVER, IT HAS TO BE THAT SAME PERSON.

YES. GETTING IT THAT HAS THAT HAVE TO SHOW THE SAME ID THAT MATCHES.

YES. THE SAME NAME FROM, LET'S SAY A FEW ORDERED THROUGH DOORDASH.

SO I CAN ONLY DELIVER TO YOU PERSONALLY IF MAYBE YOUR WIFE IS AT HOME, I CAN DELIVER TO THEM.

SO I'LL JUST KIND OF RECAP YOUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT DOORDASH.

YES. SO STATE OF MARYLAND LEGISLATION CHANGED TO GIVE THE ABILITY TO THIRD PARTY, SOMEONE LIKE DOORDASH TO OFFER DELIVERY TO WHICH THAT'S LEFT UP TO EACH JURISDICTION AS TO WHETHER THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT THIRD PARTY TO DO THAT.

CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD HAS DECIDED YOU WERE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT.

SO WHAT HE IS ASKING IS THAT THEY JUST USE THE TECHNOLOGY OF DOORDASH, BUT THEY WOULD BE THE ONES DELIVERING THE ALCOHOL. SO YOU WOULDN'T JUST HAVE SOMEONE THAT WORKED FOR DOORDASH TAKING THE ORDERS THROUGH DOORDASH SYSTEM AND DELIVERING IN THAT FASHION.

THIS WOULD THEY'RE JUST GOING TO USE THEIR TECHNOLOGY TO TO GET THE ORDER, BUT THEIR EMPLOYEES WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE DELIVERY.

SO YOU DID SET SOME. WE ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER ESTABLISHMENT IN THE COUNTY THAT'S DOING DELIVERY, THAT'S RED LIGHT LIQUORS. AND YOU DID ESTABLISH SOME PROTOCOLS FOR THEM IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO DELIVER ALCOHOL.

BUT THEY'RE NOT USING OTHER TECHNOLOGY. THEY'RE USING THEIR OWN, AND THEY KEEP THEIR OWN RECORDS.

YES. THAT THE LIQUOR INSPECTOR CAN LOOK AT. YES.

FOR EACH DELIVERY, DO THE SAME THING. HOW DO WE HOW DO WE ACCESS THOSE RECORDS WHEN THE INSPECTOR WANTS TO COME CHECK YOUR DELIVERY RECORDS? YES. SO WHENEVER WE MAKE A DELIVERY, EVERYTHING WOULD BE LOGGED INTO THE TAB PROVIDED BY DOORDASH.

LIKE IT'S EVERYTHING WOULD BE ONLINE. AND IF THE BOARD WANTS, WE CAN DO EVERY DELIVERY, LIKE MANUALLY ON A LOG BOOK. THAT'S WHAT YOU DID. REQUIREMENT FOR DELIVERIES IS YOU HAVE TO.

YOU STILL HAVE TO KEEP A LOGBOOK FOR THOSE DELIVERIES.

YES, WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH, I, I, I THINK I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS ABOUT THE DOORDASH TECHNOLOGY PART OF IT. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RESTRICT IT TO WITHIN THE COUNTY? HOW? I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO THE DORCHESTER COUNTY LINE AND AND DELAWARE.

DELAWARE. YOU GOT YOU GOT ALL THE WAY AROUND.

SO, SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO TO CONFINE THAT TO A.

YEAH. SO WHENEVER WE RECEIVE AN ORDER, WE ALREADY HAVE THE ADDRESS FOR DELIVERY.

IF ANY ADDRESS IS LIKE AND THE DOORDASH, WE CAN ASK DOORDASH TO RESTRICT US TO THIS AREA SO THEY CAN LIKE PUT A FENCE ON THE ORDER OF ANY ORDER COMES OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.

THEY WON'T GIVE IT TO US OR IF WE RECEIVE A CALL, APART FROM DOORDASH LIKE TO THE STORE FOR THE DELIVERY, WE KNOW WE HAVE THE MAP AND IF ANYTHING IS OUT OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY, WE WON'T ACCEPT THAT ORDER.

SO DOORDASH HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE A GEOFENCE AROUND CAROLINE COUNTY BOUNDARY.

HOW DOES HOW DOES DOORDASH HOW DO THEY FIGHT FAKE IDS? SO THEY JUST SOMEBODY CAN LOAD THEIR DOORDASH WITH THEIR FAKE ID AND THEN GO FROM THERE.

OH, FAKE ID, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT TECHNOLOGY, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY HAVE THE APP LIKE FOR THE DRIVERS. SO WE VISUALLY LIKE SCAN THE ID, WE CHECK EVERYTHING.

AND ON THE APP IT SCANS THE ID AND THE APP GIVES US LIKE A GOOD TO GO OR NOT GOOD, NOT GOOD IDEA.

WHAT TECHNOLOGY THEY USE? I'M NOT SURE. BUT AS WE DO IT IN OUR STORE, LIKE WE JUST VISUALLY SCAN THE ID AND THEN IN OUR POS SYSTEM, WE SCAN THE FROM THE SCANNER.

IF IT APPROVES, WE APPROVE IT. DOES IT HAVE THE DOES DOORDASH ABLE TO DO REPORTS

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THE THAT WOULD BE ONE QUESTION. CAN THEY FURNISH YOU WITH A REPORT ALSO? YOU'RE TALKING KIND OF TWO THINGS. YOU'RE DOORDASH FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I GUESS CONTACT DOORDASH THROUGH THEIR TECHNOLOGY.

AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO YOUR OWN DELIVERIES SO THAT YOU'RE WORKING TWO SYSTEMS AT ONCE.

YES. RIGHT. SO YEAH, NOT TOO AT ONCE. BUT MY INITIAL PLAN IS LIKE TO BRING DOORDASH ON BOARD TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS, LIKE HOW PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE DELIVERED.

IF FOR SOME TIMES IF MY DELIVERY INCREASES AND THINGS GO WELL, I WOULD TRY TO INTRODUCE MY OWN SYSTEM BECAUSE ANYWAYS, I WOULD BE PAYING DOORDASH SOME AMOUNT OF FEES TO PUT ME ON BOARD, AND IF THESE THINGS GO WELL, LIKE MY ONLINE SALES ARE GOOD, I WOULD TRY TO INTRODUCE MY OWN WEBSITE AND TRY TO TAKE DELIVERY ORDERS THROUGH THEM ALMOST. BUT THAT PLAN IS NOT FOR RIGHT NOW. INITIALLY, I'LL BE JUST FOCUSED ON DOORDASH.

OKAY, IF THAT'S DOING GOOD, AFTER MAYBE A FEW MONTHS, I WOULD BE WITH THE COUNTY'S PERMISSION.

I WOULD GET MY OWN WEBSITE AND TAKE ORDERS FROM THE SO YOU'RE NOT YOU WANT TO BEFORE YOU INVEST MONEY IN YOUR OWN TECHNOLOGY.

YES. YOU WANT TO SEE IF THE YES, IT'S WORTH IT IN THE TERMS OF DELIVERY.

YES, YES. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOGGED IN AS A DOORDASH DELIVERY DRIVER.

SO DOORDASH HAS THAT THING FOR ALCOHOL DELIVERY.

THEY DON'T PROVIDE THEIR DRIVERS. THEY JUST WANT THE STORE TO DELIVER.

OKAY. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE SAME AS ORDERING FROM MCDONALD'S THEN.

I MEAN IT'S A DIFFERENT YES FROM MY STORE. I WOULD BE DELIVERING I WOULD BE I WON'T BE DELIVERING IT THROUGH FOR ANY OTHER STORE.

IT'S JUST DOORDASH JUST WANTS TO PROVIDE TECHNOLOGY FOR ALCOHOL DELIVERIES.

THEY DON'T WANT TO SEND THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR DELIVERY.

OKAY. WHEN WE DID THIS WITH RED LIGHT, DID THEY.

THEY HAVE. HAVE YOU I MEAN, DIDN'T THEY DESIGN? THEY WERE. THEY WERE VERY NICE. AND FILING SYSTEM.

OKAY. IT'S VERY. IS THAT. SHE MADE IT. THERE'S NOT A THERE'S IS NOT AN APP LIKE THIS WHERE YOU CAN ENTER ONLINE.

NO I THINK HERS IS DONE THROUGH A PHONE CALL.

YOU GOTTA CALL THE STORE. ORDER IT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M.

WHEN YOU SAID THEY CALL YOU. THAT'S WHAT'S THROWING ME.

OKAY. YOU REFER THEM TO DOORDASH? YES. SO? SO I LIKE TO CORRECT MYSELF.

SO WHEN I SAID, LIKE, WHEN THEY CALL ME PERSONALLY AT THE STORE, I MEANT, LIKE, AFTER A FEW TIMES OF THE DELIVERY WORKS, I WOULD TRY TO INTRODUCE MY OWN SYSTEM. LIKE WITHOUT DOORDASH, I'LL BE ABLE TO FULFILL MY ORDERS.

SO THAT IS THE OTHER PART OF THE PLAN AFTER DOORDASH, IF LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO PAY DOORDASH THE FEES, I CAN DO MY OWN SYSTEM AND THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO LIKE MY OWN LOG, HOW I CHECK MY IDS, OR DO I WANT TO INVEST IN THE SEPARATE WEBSITE AND THE APP FOR MY STORE? OR I'LL DO LIKE THE WHOLE LOGBOOK AND WHENEVER I GO TO DELIVER, I'LL JUST MAKE THEM SIGN FOR DELIVERY, TAKE THEIR ID NUMBERS, CLICK A PICTURE, THE WHOLE THAT WHOLE PART WOULD BE MANUAL.

BUT RIGHT NOW I'M FOCUSED ON IF IF DOORDASH APPROVES AND IF YOU APPROVE, THEN I'D BE RIGHT NOW FOR LIKE NEXT SIX MONTHS AT LEAST. I WOULD BE ON THE DOORDASH TO TO MAKE PEOPLE KNOW LIKE WE ARE ONLINE.

SO A CUSTOMER WOULD PLACE THEIR ORDER THROUGH DOORDASH SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD THEN NOTIFY THEIR STORE THAT THEY HAVE AN ALCOHOL DELIVERY, AND THEN YOUR EMPLOYEES WOULD BE MAKING THAT DELIVERY.

HOW MANY DAYS YOU AND YOUR WIFE, YOU SAID, IS YOU AND YOUR WIFE? REALLY? YES. SO IS THERE A FEE? IS THERE A DELIVERY FEE? ARE YOU TACKING ON A FEE, OR IS DOORDASH TACKING ON A FEE? OKAY, SO THE DOORDASH HAS A MODEL. LIKE, FOR EVERY ORDER THEY'LL CHARGE ME 8 TO 10%.

DEPENDS ON THE ORDER TICKET SIZE. AND FOR THE DELIVERY FEE THEY HAVE IS IF THEY ARE LIKE PAID DOORDASH USERS. LIKE IF YOU ARE IF YOU ARE DOORDASH USER, THERE ARE TWO KINDS.

SOME ARE ON THE SUBSCRIPTION BASIS, SOME ARE NOT ON THE SUBSCRIPTION BASIS.

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YES. AND IF THEY ARE LIKE A NON SUBSCRIPTION USERS FOR DOORDASH.

SO WE CAN NO CHARGE. LIKE WHATEVER AMOUNT, LIKE USUALLY IT'S LIKE 299 TO FOR $99 FOR DELIVERY. BUT FOR NON-SUBSCRIPTION USERS ON DOORDASH, WE CAN CHARGE OUR OWN AMOUNT OF DELIVERY.

THE USERS WHO ARE SUBSCRIBED TO DOORDASH LIKE THEY PAY A FEE MONTHLY FOR DOORDASH.

SO DOORDASH HAS A SET FEE LIKE 299, SO THEY DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING FROM THE CUSTOMER BECAUSE THEY'RE SUBSCRIPTION BASED.

BUT DOORDASH PAYS US 299 FOR THAT DELIVERY, AND THEN YOU DON'T ATTACK ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT.

SO NO, NO. I'M GONNA GO TO YOU. WHAT? GO AHEAD.

SO. FOR YOU ON LEGAL, I MEAN, WHERE WHERE ARE WE AT ON ON A LEGAL STANDPOINT BECAUSE.

SO YOU CAN AUTHORIZE MAKING THE SALE. RIGHT. THEY STILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO VERIFY THE AGE THAT THEY'RE TO KEEP THEM OUT OF TROUBLE FOR SELLING ANYBODY UNDER 21.

BUT THE ACTUAL TRANSACTION OF THE MONEY IS GOING THROUGH THE DOORDASH IS MAKING THE SALE IS MAKING THE SALE. SO THEY'RE MAKING THE SALE. THEY'RE CHARGING THE FEE.

THEY'RE VERIFYING ON ON THAT END, HE'S DELIVERING IT.

SO WHO'S MAKING THE SALE? SALE? THAT'S WHERE I'M ASKING ABOUT ON A ON A LEGAL END.

STATE LAW PERMITS IT. OKAY. IN 2024, THE LEGISLATURE CHANGED THE LAW TO ALLOW FOR EITHER THIRD PARTY DELIVERIES OR THE LICENSE HOLDER TO ACTUALLY MAKE DELIVERIES OFF SITE. OKAY. SO THERE IS STATE LAW THAT ALLOWS IT.

THAT WHAT I WAS GESTURING TO HIS DAD'S IS SECTION 2.11 OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY CODE.

AND AND MY QUESTION I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO THE BOARD IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE AMENDED 2.11 OF THE CODE, WHICH SAYS THAT EXCEPT FOR CATERERS, LICENSEES MAY NOT DELIVER ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE BEVERAGES OFF THE LICENSED PREMISES.

NO. SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE STATE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE OR LOCAL RULES AND REGULATIONS.

SO THE THE STATE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE EMPOWERS THE COUNTIES OR THE LOCAL BODIES TO ADOPT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THIRD PARTY OR OFF PREMISES DELIVERY BY LICENSE HOLDERS.

IT DOES NOT OBLIGATE. SO WE ARE ALLOWED TO ADOPT REGULATIONS THAT WOULD PERMIT THIRD PARTIES, SUCH AS DOORDASH OR LICENSE HOLDERS SUCH AS THE APPLICANT, TO MAKE DELIVERIES.

BUT WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO. RIGHT. AND YOUR DECISION WHEN THAT LEGISLATION HAPPENED IS THAT YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN ALLOWING THIRD PARTY DELIVERIES BECAUSE OF THE OVERSIGHT.

YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT OVER THAT. SO YOU HAVE ALLOWED IT BY THE.

WHICH YOU HAVE THE ABILITY IN LAW THAT ALLOWS YOU TO AUTHORIZE A CURRENT LICENSE HOLDER TO MAKE THEIR OWN DELIVERIES.

WHICH IS WHAT RED LIGHT LIQUORS DID. THEY WERE NOT GOING TO USE A THIRD PARTY, BUT THEY WERE SELLING THEY THEY'RE HANDLING THE WHOLE TRANSACTION.

CORRECT. I JUST WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND DON'T GET ME WRONG.

OKAY. BUT WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY SHOULD WE UNDERSTAND THIS? YES. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN OTHER THAN DOORDASH HAVING A BROADER REACH TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE? BUT WHY WOULD YOU EVEN WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE WHEN YOU COULD ASK? YOU'RE STILL BEING THE ONE THAT'S DELIVERING.

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT HAS TO KEEP THE LOGBOOK. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER JUST BY WORD OF MOUTH THROUGH YOUR CUSTOMERS SAY, HEY, WE OFFER DELIVERY NOW AND NOT WORK WITH DOORDASH AT ALL AND PAY THEIR FEES.

YES, ULTIMATELY MY PLAN IS THE SAME. I WANT TO DO MY OWN DELIVERIES.

I CONTACTED DOORDASH BECAUSE OF THE MARKETING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BROADER REACH.

THEY HAVE LOTS OF USERS. SO ONCE MY STORE IS ONLINE ON THEIR SITE, LIKE I WOULD BE ABLE TO REACH TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE, LIKE, LIKE THE SUPER SODA IS ONLINE AND PEOPLE WOULD KNOW, LIKE AND CAROLINE COUNTY THEY DO DELIVER.

SO THE CUSTOMER IS NOT ACTUALLY PAYING YOU. THEY'RE PAYING DOORDASH.

DOORDASH IS PAYING YOU. YES, DOORDASH IS KIND OF A PAYMENT PROCESSOR TO LIKE CUSTOMER IS PAYING DOORDASH,

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JUST SEEMS TO ME IT STILL JUST SEEMS TO ME I JUST LOOK AT THIS RECENT THE STORM EVENT THAT WE JUST HAD, AND SOMEBODY COOPED UP IN THEIR HOUSE, AND THEY DECIDED THEY WANT A 12 PACK OF BEER, AND HIS WIFE WANTS A BOTTLE OF WINE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOURSELF OUT ON THE ROAD IN HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS TO MAKE A DELIVERY WHERE IF YOU WERE HANDLING IT YOURSELF, YOU COULD SAY, I'M SORRY. AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE OF ROAD CONDITIONS, WE'RE NOT MAKING DELIVERY, BUT THROUGH DOORDASH, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS.

YES. SO WE HAVE SO WHEN OUR STORE IS ONLINE OR WE CAN DECIDE THE HOURS, LIKE AS A RESTAURANT, YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED LIKE IN THE BUSY TIMES RESTAURANT CLOSED THEIR ONLINE DELIVERIES AND THEY JUST TAKE LIKE WALK IN CUSTOMERS.

SO THE SAME WAY IN DOORDASH THEY HAVE LIKE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

LIKE IF WE WANT TO BE ONLINE AT THIS TIME, LIKE EVENING 4 TO 6 OR WALK IN STORE IS TOO BUSY, WE JUST STOP THAT PART LIKE WE ARE NOT DELIVERING IN THIS TWO HOURS AND THEN WE CAN OPEN AND STOP AS WE WANT.

IF THERE IS A SNOW AND WE CAN'T DELIVER, IT'S NOT GOOD CONDITION.

WE CAN STOP THAT. LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO DELIVER RIGHT NOW.

THERE WON'T BE ANY MANDATE FROM DOORDASH LIKE WE HAVE AND HAVE TO DO.

IT'S UP TO US. WELL, WE DID READ LATE LETTERS, DIDN'T WE? GIVE THEM A TRIAL PERIOD, A TRIAL PERIOD, AND COME BACK WITH PROOF? YOU DID YOU GIVE THEM SIX MONTH PROBATIONARY APPROVAL TO REPORT BACK? I'D LIKE TO BEFORE YOU GIVE THEM FOR THE YEAR.

AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THAT YOU GAVE THEM THE SIX MONTHS TO COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU HOW IT WAS GOING.

AND THEN IF THERE WAS NO PROBLEMS, YOU'D EXTEND THAT APPROVAL FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE LICENSE YEAR.

AND THEN EACH LICENSE YEAR RENEWAL THEY HAD TO REQUEST THE DELIVERY AS PART OF THEIR RENEWAL OF THEIR LICENSE.

THE STATE HAS APPROVED IT. THE STATE HAS OPENED IT UP.

SO PRIOR TO THE THIRD PARTY DELIVERY, THE STATE HAS ALWAYS GIVEN THE ABILITY FOR THE LICENSE HOLDER TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE LOCAL BOARD TO OFFER DELIVERY, WHICH YOU HAVE DONE FOR RED LIGHT LIQUORS. MORE RECENTLY, THE LEGISLATION PASSED TO ALLOW THIRD PARTY DELIVERIES LIKE WHICH WOULD BE DOORDASH, DOORDASH, UBER EATS. YEAH, DRIZLY, WHATEVER.

A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE THE LICENSE HOLDERS, THERE'S THEY THEY WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD REQUEST IT FROM YOU.

I THINK THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THERE BEING SOME FEES ATTACHED WITH THAT TO GET THAT LICENSE FOR THE THIRD PARTY DELIVERY.

IF IF I PLACE AN ORDER THROUGH DOORDASH FOR I'M LOOKING SUPER SODA TO DELIVER, DOESN'T THAT STILL REQUIRE DOORDASH TO BE LICENSED? IF THEY'RE SELLING AND THEY'RE COLLECTING PAYMENT? THERE WAS THERE WAS PROVISIONS IN THAT LEGISLATION.

WE HAD DECIDED THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN DOORDASH SECTION.

SO TO ME, EVEN THOUGH DOORDASH IS NOT DOING THE DELIVERY, THEY'RE STILL MAKING THE BEVERAGE.

THEY ARE STILL MAKING THE SALE. AND US AS THE COMMISSIONERS FOR CAROLINE COUNTY HAD DECIDED THAT WE DID NOT WANT DOORDASH TO TO TAKE PART IN THIS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. YOU'RE NOT SELLING OUT.

YOU'RE SELLING THE ALCOHOL TO DOORDASH. DOORDASH IS SELLING ALCOHOL TO THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE DELIVERING IT TO. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS DELIVERING. YOU'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT SELLING TO A MINOR, BUT YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SALE.

THERE IS SAYING THAT THAT'S OKAY FOR THEM. HE'S SELLING THE ALCOHOL ONLY WITH YOUR APPROVAL CAN YOU AUTHORIZE A THIRD PARTY DELIVERY.

BUT THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THAT THIRD PARTY DELIVERY IF THE LOCAL BOARD ALLOWS IT.

I GOTTA FIND IT. SO I GUESS THEY HAVE TO APPLY TO THE STATE FOR THAT.

NO, I THINK IT'S THE LOCAL BOARD. LET ME LOOK.

IS THIS A TOOL? IT IS. IT IS A TOOL TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE DOORDASH REACHES A BROADER SPECTRUM OF PEOPLE.

I MEAN, I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS. IT'S LIKE A FARMER BUYING A GPS AND PAYING A MONTHLY FEE FOR THE GPS HOOKED UP TO THE TRACTOR.

AND TO ME, IS IT REALLY JUST A TOOL THAT HE'S USING TO HELP HIS BUSINESS? HE CAN. I MEAN, AS TO WHO SELLS, HE'S DELIVERING THE PRODUCT AS A I DON'T KNOW, IT'S I HATE TO GET I HATE TO DENY. SO YES, BUSINESSES ARE RIGHT TO USE A TOOL THAT MAYBE IS BEING USED ELSEWHERE.

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SO THIS IS FROM THE ATCC. SO THE LAW WAS ESTABLISHED TO ALLOW LOCAL DELIVERY, BUT THE LOCAL JURISDICTION HAD THE ABILITY TO OPT IN TO THAT PROVISION, WHICH YOU HAD DECIDED AT THAT TIME.

THE LOCAL BOARD WAS NOT INTERESTED IN OPTING IN AND CREATING REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.

WHAT THAT THIRD PARTY DELIVERY WOULD ALLOW IS FOR DOORDASH TO COME TO YOU AND APPLY FOR THE DELIVERY PERMIT, RIGHT, WHICH YOU WOULD THEN APPROVE. BUT THE DELIVERY WOULD STILL BE THROUGH THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENT, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE DOING THE ACTUAL TRANSACTION OF THE EXCHANGE OF ALCOHOL THAT GO AHEAD.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO DOORDASH ITSELF IT'S 4 OR 507 OF THE ABC ARTICLE SAYS THAT THE RETAIL DELIVERY TO A PURCHASE. RETAIL DELIVERY TO A PURCHASER OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IS PROHIBITED UNLESS.

THE DELIVERY IS MADE FROM THE LICENSED PREMISES BY SO, FROM THE LICENSED PREMISES, BY THE RETAIL LICENSE HOLDER, OR A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR OR AGENT THAT HOLDS A LOCAL DELIVERY SERVICE PERMIT ISSUED PURSUANT TO FOUR 1107 OF THE SUBTITLE.

SO IN ORDER TO DO DELIVERIES THROUGH DOORDASH.

DOORDASH NEEDS TO GET A LOCAL DELIVERY SERVICE PERMIT FROM YOU.

FOR CAROLINE COUNTY. THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.

HEAR WHAT HE'S SAYING. SO BASICALLY, DOORDASH IS NOT LICENSED, DOES NOT HOLD A LICENSE WITH CAROLINE COUNTY.

SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE CANNOT APPROVE DOORDASH TO BE YOUR AGENT.

SO IF I LIKE, AS YOU SUGGESTED, I PUT DOORDASH ASIDE AND I'LL JUST MARKET IT MYSELF THROUGH WORD OF MOUTH AND EVERYTHING. CAN I GET IT ON? THAT WAY, IF I DON'T USE ANY OTHER PLATFORM, I'LL MARKET IT MYSELF AND PUT MY OWN LOGBOOK IN PLACE. LIKE MANUALLY. LIKE WHEN I DELIVER.

I'LL JUST TAKE THEIR ID NUMBERS PICTURE OF ID, AND I THINK THAT'S OUR BIGGEST HITCH IN THE GIDDY UP, SO TO SPEAK. IS IS THE DOORDASH PART OF THIS WITHOUT THE DOORDASH, I THINK IT WILL BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION.

OKAY. AND HONESTLY, WE WILL. THERE MAY BE A COUPLE STIPULATIONS AT IT, BUT UNTIL WE GO INTO DELIBERATION, WE WON'T ADDRESS THAT. YEAH, DEFINITELY. MY DOORDASH PART WAS JUST FOR THE MARKETING PURPOSE.

OTHERWISE. LIKE EVERYTHING IS LIKE I SAID, IT REACHES SUCH A BROAD.

YES, YES. BUT LIKE, IF I WOULD DEFINITELY SAVE MORE MONEY DELIVERING IT MYSELF WITH MY OWN LOGBOOKS AND MY OWN TECH, WE'RE GONNA. HONESTLY, WE WOULD STILL REQUIRE YOU TO DO THOSE THINGS.

YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE DELIVERY AGENT.

YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOGBOOK.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHY PAY DOORDASH THEIR FEE? AND NOW THAT'S BEEN OUR WHOLE STRUGGLING BLOCK.

IS THIS DOORDASH PART OF IT? BECAUSE CAROLINE COUNTY DID NOT ADOPT ANYTHING TO ALLOW DOORDASH IN HERE.

AND NOW THEY HAVEN'T REQUESTED WITH WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT LEGAL COUNSEL IS JUST GIVING US THAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WILL STILL HAVE TO APPLY FOR A LICENSE AND THEY HAVEN'T. SO THIS IS GOING TO DELAY YOU EVEN FURTHER.

YEAH. SO DIDN'T WE ALLOW RED LIGHT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THE FORMS STRAIGHT AND.

YES. AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND BROUGHT THEM TO YOU TO REVIEW AND APPROVE.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND IF MR. PATEL'S DECIDING TO CHANGE COURSE, AND LET'S TAKE DOORDASH OUT OF IT AND DO HIS OWN PLAN, THAT HE COME BACK WITH YOU WITH A NEW PROPOSAL OF WHAT HIS PLAN IS TO DO DELIVERY.

AND THEN WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU TO REVIEW, TO DEVELOP POLICIES AND A COPY OF THE FORM.

OKAY, COME BACK TO US AND THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO APPROVE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE SEE.

OKAY. A PERIOD OF TIME FOR YOU TO TEST IT AND SEE IF IT WORKS.

BUT I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT MORE MEAT ON THE SKELETON THAN YOU GIVE US THE DATA.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IF DOORDASH DECIDED TO COME IN AND ASK FOR A LICENSE OR WHATEVER, IF THEY DECIDED TO COME IN, WOULD IT BE FOR ANY ESTABLISHMENT? OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE TO WORK WITH ONE ESTABLISHMENT? YOU WOULD BE ISSUING THE PERMIT TO DOORDASH OR CAROLINE COUNTY.

GOTCHA. AND BEFORE THEY COULD APPLY, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT YOU WANT TO ALLOW THIS AND CREATE YOUR RULES AND REGS, AND THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND APPLY. BUT IF YOU RECALL WHEN YOU DISCUSSED THIS WHEN IT FIRST PASSED WAS THAT YOU STILL HAD SOME CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT A THIRD

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SO IF I'M THE ONLY STORE, DOORDASH WON'T BE INTERESTED IN JUST DOING THAT FOR THE COUNTY.

BUT SO WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE BASICALLY MOVE TO ALLOW MR. PATEL TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE AND REQUEST THIS AGAIN UNDER HIS OWN GUIDELINES OF HOW HE WILL DO HANDLE HIS DELIVERY AND HIS LOGBOOK AND HIS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PROCESS TO ELIMINATE DOORDASH OUT OF THIS.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION NECESSARILY TO DO THAT. HE CAN WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION, REAPPLY WITH THE PARAMETERS FOR HIS OWN PLATFORM, ELIMINATING DOORDASH.

BUT IT'S SIX ONE HALF DOZEN ANOTHER. I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.

DOORDASH CURRENTLY IS THE ISSUE BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE REGULATIONS THAT PERMIT THIRD PARTY VENDORS TO DELIVER AT THIS POINT, INSTEAD OF US MOVING TO DO ANYTHING, MR. PATEL WOULD JUST SAY, AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY APPLICATION AND I WILL COME BACK AT A LATER DATE WITH THE INFORMATION AS REQUIRED. SO ANOTHER QUESTION I'M ASSUMING, LIKE NOT ONLY DOES DOORDASH HAVE A BROAD ARRAY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE A BIG FOLLOWING OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EASE OF USING THE CREDIT CARD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT PEOPLE, THEY ALREADY HAVE THEIR CARD LINKED TO THE DOORDASH ACCOUNT. YES, IT'S ALREADY CHARGED. SO THEY'RE LIKE KIND OF A PAYMENT PROCESSOR, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE A SQUARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU'D BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR CARD WHEN YOU DELIVERED THE YES, OR DO SOMETHING OVER THE PHONE UNDER DOING IT YOURSELF.

SO THAT WOULD TAKE I MEAN, THAT'S THE BIG I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S THE BIG THING WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES DOORDASH SO APPEALING, APPEALING TO US.

RIGHT? ME, IF I WAS A STORE OWNER, I WOULD REQUIRE A PAYMENT UP FRONT BEFORE I EVEN CONSIDER TO MAKE THE DELIVERY.

BECAUSE WHAT IF YOU GET THERE AND YOU START GETTING WELL, WE ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY.

CAN YOU TAKE THAT BACK? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE THOUGHT WE HAD MORE.

SO I WOULD THINK AS A STORE OWNER IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ASK FOR THE INFORMATION OVER THE PHONE, ENTER THEIR CREDIT OR DEBIT CARD INFORMATION, AND THEN MAKE YOUR DELIVERY AND DECIDE AT THAT POINT IF YOU WERE CHARGING A SMALL FEE TO MAKE THE DELIVERY. BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL IN WHAT YOU KIND OF NEED TO FIGURE OUT TO REPRESENT YOU.

SO FOR NOW, I'LL WITHDRAW THIS APPLICATION WITH THE DOORDASH AND NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.

I'LL BE HERE WITH MY OWN PLAN FOR MY OWN DELIVERY.

YEAH. SPEAK WITH GENEVA SO YOU CAN GET ON THE SCHEDULE.

OKAY? OKAY. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU.

WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE VERY MUCH WILLING TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND.

OKAY. EVERYTHING. SO. ALL RIGHT. DEFINITELY I'LL BE IN TOUCH.

I'LL BE BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. YES. YEAH. A WRITTEN REQUEST? YEP. AND EXPLAINING HOW YOU'RE GOING. MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.

WE HAVE A SHOW. CAUSE HEARING FOR STAR DELI AND LIQUOR.

[Show Cause Hearing: ]

[Star Deli & Liquor]

I HOPE ALL OF YOU JUST STAY HERE. ARE YOU THE LICENSE HOLDER? ARE YOU COMING? I'LL GET WHOEVER'S WISHING TO SPEAK.

YEAH. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. WE'LL. BRING IT UP TO THREE LICENSE HOLDERS.

THANK YOU. SO WE'LL WE'LL GET YOU ALL TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

WE'LL DO THE OATH, AND THEN YOU CAN. WE'LL START RIGHT HERE AND GO RIGHT ON DOWN. YOU CAN DO YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. THANK YOU.

PLEASE START. ROSHAN KUMAR PATEL, 676 AVENUE NORTH, SAINT PETERSBURG, FLORIDA 37.

ZERO TWO. THANK YOU. 1632. MIDDLETOWN, DELAWARE 1970.

THANK YOU. 123716. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. YOU MAY BE SEATED.

BEFORE I PROCEED, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF MR. MAHESH PATEL IS HERE. YEAH. OKAY. VERY GOOD. OKAY.

THAT'S WHO MY EXAMPLE IS BASED OFF. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS.

SO WE HAVE STAR DELEON LIQUOR. WE HAVE RECEIVED AN INSPECTOR INCIDENT REPORT ON DECEMBER 5TH, 2025 AND WE THEN ISSUED THREE SUMMONS ON DECEMBER 15TH.

2025 TO MR. MAHESH PATEL. MR. SUNIL PATEL AND MR.

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SIR, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ENTER OBJECTION HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MR. MAHESH PATEL IS NOT ON THE LICENSE. OKAY. NO PROBLEM.

AND THE SUMMONS IS FOR MR. MAHESH MATTEL. THESE ARE THE THREE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE ON THE LICENSE.

IN ANY INSPECTION THAT WAS DONE WOULD BE DONE WITH THEM BEING THE CENTER OF ATTENTION.

SO MR. MAHESH PATEL IS LISTED HERE AS A LICENSE HOLDER IN THIS THING.

HE IS NOT A LICENSE HOLDER. GIVE ME ONE SECOND BEFORE HE COULD BE A WITNESS.

IF YOU ALL WANT TO CALL HIM AS A WITNESS. OR IF I WISH TO CALL HIM AS WITNESS.

AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. BUT BUT HE'S NOT PART OF THE ISSUE ITSELF.

OKAY. NO PROBLEM. I'LL READ ONE OF THE OTHER SUMMONS.

NO PROBLEM. I HAVE MORE, BUT I NEED TO READ MY PART.

I'VE GOTTA READ IT INTO THE RECORD FIRST INTO THE RECORD.

THE RECORD. AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR. OKAY, WE'RE JUST DONE WITH THE SUMMONS NOW, RIGHT? CORRECT. GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

OKAY. STARTING OVER. I WILL READ FROM THE ONE ISSUE TO MR. ROSHAN PATEL, WHO IS PRESENT, AND WE HAVE A SHOW CAUSE HEARING TODAY FOR ALL THREE LICENSE HOLDERS OF STAR DELI AND LIQUOR LOCATED AT 105 WHITELEYSBURG ROAD, GREENSBORO, MARYLAND.

21639. TWO. ROSHAN PATEL, YOU ARE HEREBY SUMMONED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS OF CAROLINE COUNTY, MARYLAND AT 9:30 A.M. ON THE 28TH DAY OF JANUARY, 2026.

TO SHOW CAUSE WHY YOUR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LICENSE LICENSES ISSUED BY THIS BOARD TO YOU UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND, AS AMENDED, SHOULD NOT BE REVOKED, SUSPENDED, AND OR FINED. ISSUED FOR THE FOLLOWING ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS AS A RESULT OF A COMPLIANCE CHECK INSPECTION BY THE CAROLINE COUNTY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE INSPECTOR ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2025, AND FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS ON NOVEMBER 6TH AND 11TH, 2025.

AND I'LL READ THE CHARGES AS FOLLOWS. CHARGE NUMBER ONE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF SECTION 1-408A1 AND SECTION B ONE AND SECTION B THREE, DOUBLE I OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND, SPECIFICALLY A IN GENERAL, A PERSON WHO MANUFACTURES, RECTIFIES, BLENDS, IMPORTS, DISTRIBUTES, TRANSPORTS, STORES, WAREHOUSES, SALES OR OFFERS FOR SALE, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, OR WHO HOLDS A LICENSE TO DO THESE ACTIVITIES SHALL ONE. KEEP COMPLETE AND ACCURATE RECORDS OF ALL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PURCHASED.

SOLD. MANUFACTURED. RECTIFIED. BLENDED. IMPROVED.

BREWED. FERMENTED. DISTILLED. PRODUCED. STORED.

WAREHOUSED. WITHDRAWN FROM STORAGE. IMPORTED OR TRANSFERRED.

BE. RECORDS. PRESERVATION ONE. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN PARAGRAPH TWO OF THIS SUBSECTION, EACH LICENSE HOLDER SHALL KEEP RECORDS AT THE LOCATION DESIGNATED IN THE LICENSE.

THREE THE RECORDS SHALL BE PRESERVED FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN A MANNER THAT ENSURES PERMANENCY.

CHARGE NUMBER TWO ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.36. SPECIFICALLY, ALL LICENSE HOLDERS SHALL MAINTAIN ACCURATE RECORDS OF THEIR TRANSACTIONS IN

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THE BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS, CHARGE NUMBER THREE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATIONS NUMBER 2.08, A SPECIFICALLY, NO LICENSEE OR THEIR EMPLOYEES SHALL HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION AT ANY PLACE ON THE LICENSED PREMISES ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WHICH THEIR LICENSE DOES NOT PERMIT THE LICENSEE TO SELL. NO LICENSEE OR THEIR EMPLOYEES SHALL KEEP UNDER.

EXCUSE ME. KEEP UPON THE LICENSED PREMISES ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES EXCEPT THOSE SO PURCHASED.

THE LAST CHARGE NUMBER FOR ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.34.

A SPECIFICALLY, NO RETAIL DEALER IS PERMITTED TO PURCHASE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES EXCEPT FROM A DULY LICENSED MANUFACTURER, WHOLESALER, OR PRIVATE BULK SALE PERMIT HOLDER OR NONRESIDENT WINE PERMIT HOLDER.

WE HAVE THE PROOF OF SERVICE CERTIFIED MAIL RECEIPT.

FOR. EXCUSE ME. YES? WE HAVE THE PROOF OF CERTIFIED MAIL RECEIPT FOR BOTH MAHESH AND ROSHAN. AND ALSO THE PROOF OF SERVICE SERVED BY DETECTIVE CHARMAIN BACON TO SUNIL ON 1222, 2025. MR. SUNIL, EXCUSE ME. COMMISSIONERS.

IN YOUR MEETING PACKAGE YOU WILL FIND EXHIBITS ONE THROUGH TEN.

EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND. MAKE SURE I GOT THIS RIGHT.

SO SHOW CAUSE WE HAVE EXHIBITS ONE THROUGH TEN.

EXHIBITS. ONE IS THE ATTORNEY LETTER. REQUEST FOR DISCOVERY.

EXHIBIT TWO IS THE LICENSE. EXCUSE ME? LIQUOR BOARD'S LETTER RESPONSE TO THE ATTORNEY REQUEST.

EXHIBIT THREE IS THE ATTORNEY LETTER. REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL.

EXCUSE ME. THAT'S EXHIBIT TEN. EXHIBIT THREE IS THE SUMMONS FOR MAHESH PATEL.

EXHIBIT FOUR IS THE SUMMONS FOR MR. ROSHAN PATEL.

THE NEXT EXHIBIT IS FOR MR. SUNIL PATEL. WE HAVE THE INCIDENT REPORT, WHICH IS EXHIBIT.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND. THE INCIDENT REPORT IS EXHIBIT SIX.

EXHIBIT SEVEN IS THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT. EXHIBIT EIGHT IS THE BULK TRANSFER RECEIPT APPLICATION SLASH APPLICATION. AND EXHIBIT NINE IS THE FILE INFORMATION.

AND EXHIBIT TEN IS THE FILE. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME.

IS THE ATTORNEY LETTER REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL? IN YOUR PACKAGE. NO VIOLATIONS.

HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT AND THEIR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE WAS ISSUED ON FEBRUARY 24TH, 2025. AND I'LL REFER BACK THE APPLICANTS BACK TO THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONERS. THE THE FIRST THING IN THAT I DON'T THERE'S ONLY ONE PROOF OF SERVICE THAT I'M AWARE OF.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE SHERIFF SERVES SONNY, WHICH IS THE MINORITY OWNER OF THE BUSINESS DOWN ON THE END.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S A SERVICE ON EITHER THE SHAUN OR CORRECT.

WE JUST HAVE THE RECEIPT, SIR. WE JUST HAVE THE RECEIPT BECAUSE WE HADN'T RECEIVED IT YET.

YES. SO WHAT WHAT IS IN THE RECORD IS YOU HAVE A RECEIPT OF SENDING IT OFF BY CERTIFIED MAIL? YES. YOU DON'T HAVE A RECEIPT SHOWING THE SERVICE OF PROCESS.

CORRECT. IT'S STILL IN TRANSIT ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE.

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WE'RE DEALING WITH THE RECORDS HERE. SO THAT'S ISSUE NUMBER ONE.

ISSUE NUMBER TWO. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THESE THESE TWO DIDN'T GET SUMMONS? THAT'S CORRECT. I JUST GOT THE LETTER TODAY. SO WHY ARE THEY HERE? YEAH, THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE LICENSE HOLDERS. AND BECAUSE IN YOUR REGULATIONS AND IN THE FALL.

WHENEVER YOU HAVE AN ISSUE REGARDING LICENSE HOLDERS, YOU WANT ALL LICENSE HOLDERS HERE.

SO THEY'RE VOLUNTARILY HERE, BUT THEY THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

IF THEY DIDN'T GET IT, IF THEY DIDN'T GET A SUMMONS, THEN THEY SOMEHOW KNEW TO COME.

THEY KNEW TO COME, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER NOTICE THAT THIS IS A HEARING.

OKAY. FOR SUSPENSION OR FINE OR REVOCATION OF A LICENSE.

WHAT DID THEY THINK THEY WERE? WHAT DID THEY THINK THEY WERE APPEARING FOR, MR. THORNTON? WELL, NO, IT IS ACTUALLY, IT'S THE ISSUE YOU JUST RAISED.

YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY WERE HERE FOR A REVOCATION HEARING.

I'M ASKING, WHAT DO THEY THINK THEY'RE HERE FOR? CORRECT. WELL, THAT'S ANSWERED BY MY PRELIMINARY MOTION THAT I FILED.

CAN YOU SHOW ME IN THERE? CAN YOU SHOW ME IN THERE WHERE IT SAYS THAT? ROBERT. THAT'S WHERE THEY THAT'S WHY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE HERE.

FOR WHAT? FOR DISMISSAL OF THESE CHARGES. WHAT CHARGES ARE ALLEGATIONS? WHAT ALLEGATIONS? ALL OF THEM. SO THEY WERE AWARE.

THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE HERE FOR DISMISSAL OF THE ALLEGATIONS THAT THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF.

THEY WERE EITHER AWARE OF THE ALLEGATIONS OR NOT.

THEY HAVE VOLUNTARILY APPEARED. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE, EXCEPT THAT I TOLD THEM THAT I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THE INFORMATION I GOT FROM THE BOARD WAS SUFFICIENT TO MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THEM.

OKAY. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY WOULD BE PERFECT HERE BECAUSE MY, MY WHOLE SITUATION HERE IS, IS THIS IS A BASICALLY GOES BACK TO THIS IS AN AUDIT OF A BULK TRANSFER PERMIT WHICH WAS NOT WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THESE LICENSING COMMISSIONERS.

A BULK TRANSFER PERMIT WAS ISSUED BY THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION WHEN THAT'S ISSUED. THEY HAVE A CHOICE OR THEY DO WHATEVER THEIR PROCESS IS.

IF THEY DO AN AUDIT, THEY DO AN AUDIT. IF THEY DON'T DO AN AUDIT, THEY DON'T DO AN AUDIT.

IF THEY DO ANY SORT OF FOLLOW UP, THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

BUT THE LICENSE THAT THE PERMIT IS ISSUED, ONCE IT'S ISSUED, THAT'S THAT'S NOT RETROACTIVELY CHALLENGED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM OR USED AS ANY EVIDENCE BECAUSE THAT EVIDENCE IS EVIDENCE OF THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION. SO WHO ARE YOU REFERRING TO YOUR YOUR LETTER OF DISMISSAL AT THIS POINT? IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE. BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THE BULK TRANSFER ON THAT OR THE ADEQUACY OF NOTICE.

RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, AM I NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT THAT NOW, ARE YOU SAYING.

OH, NO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN. I'M JUST ASKING WHERE WE WERE AT, WHAT WE WERE, WHETHER WE WERE REFERRING TO THE YOUR LETTER OF DISMISSAL.

BECAUSE IN IT, IN YOUR LETTER OF DISMISSAL, YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, FIVE DIFFERENT REASONS.

AND I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE, WHERE YOU WERE AT OR WHAT WHAT WERE YOU DOING? IT MIGHT HELP TO DEAL WITH ONE ISSUE AT A TIME.

MR. THORNTON, IF WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THE ADEQUACY OF SERVICE ISSUE AND THEN MAYBE MOVE ON TO THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED IN YOUR MOTION.

IT MIGHT HELP TO CLARIFY THINGS. IF WE EAT THE APPLE ONE BITE AT A TIME.

RIGHT. OKAY. AND AND THIS INSPECTION WAS MADE TO THIS ENTITY.

STAR GAS AND STAR DELI AND LIQUORS AND NRP ASSOCIATES.

THAT IS THE THREE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.

SONNY IS THE LOCAL RESIDENT AND MINORITY OWNER OF THE BUSINESS.

HE WAS, IN FACT, THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE BUSINESS PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 24TH, 1925 OR 2025. EXCUSE ME. SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE FEBRUARY 24TH, 25 WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR GREENSBORO DELI AND THE LICENSE HOLDER, SONNY

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HE'S NOT ALLEGED TO HAVE DONE ANYTHING WRONG, BUT IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERMIT, IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO FILL IT OUT.

THE SELLER'S RESPONSIBILITY. SEND IT TO. WELL, IT SAYS THE CONTROLLER, BUT NOW THERE'S A STATUTE THAT SAYS IT'S THE ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE, ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION.

SO HE'S THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THAT. SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE ALCOHOL, THE BULK TRANSFER OF ALCOHOL PERMIT, THAT ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION OR THEIR QUALIFIED AGENTS AND TRAINED AGENTS.

IF THEY WANT TO DO ANY AUDIT BASED ON THIS PERMIT, THEN THEY NEED TO DO IT.

AND BASICALLY, THOSE LICENSE HOLDERS DON'T NEED TO BE HERE BECAUSE THE AUDIT DOESN'T INVOLVE THESE TWO LICENSE HOLDERS.

THE AUDIT WOULD INVOLVE ONLY SUNNY WHO COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED THE APPLICATION FOR THE BULK TRANSFER PURPOSE. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? WHERE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ISSUES MR. THORNTON HAS RAISED, I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE TAKE THEM IN ORDER.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST. THE FIRST WOULD BE THE QUESTION OF THE ADEQUACY OF NOTICE SERVICE.

THE THREE GENTLEMEN THAT WERE SERVED ARE HERE.

MR. THORNTON IS ARGUING THAT TWO WERE NOT SERVED AND UNDER DUE PROCESS.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN NOTICE OF A TIME AND DATE OF THE HEARING, AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE CHARGES THAT ARE RAISED.

THEY ARE HERE. SO THEY RECEIVED NOTICE FROM SOMEBODY AND THEY NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE CHARGES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.

I'LL DEFER TO THE BOARD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THE THREE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE HERE WITH COUNSEL, WHO HAS ENTERED HIS APPEARANCE ON THEIR BEHALF AND FILED A MOTION WITH REGARD TO THE CHARGES THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE THREE CLEARLY RECEIVED, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE NOTICE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN MY WORLD, THEY HAVE AND THEY'VE THEY'VE APPEARED TO THE EXTENT THAT IN COURT.

I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU WANT TO CHALLENGE THE JURISDICTION OF THE BODY THAT SUBPOENAING YOU FOR AN INADEQUATE SUBPOENA, YOU DO SO PRIOR TO SHOWING UP AND SUBMITTING TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE BODY, WHICH IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

SO WITH REGARD TO THE ADEQUACY OF NOTICE, AGAIN, I'LL DEFER TO THE BOARD.

BUT IN MY OPINION, THERE'S PLENTY OF ADEQUATE NOTICE HERE.

WHAT ABOUT TO THE MOVING ON PAST THAT. WHAT ABOUT TO THE BULK TRANSFER THAT HE'S BROUGHT UP? SURE. SO THE INSPECTION IS WITH REGARD TO THE APPROPRIATE STORAGE AND DOCUMENTATION OF ALCOHOL ON PREMISES ON DATES NOVEMBER 1ST, NOVEMBER 6TH AND NOVEMBER 11TH OF 2025, WHICH IS FAR AFTER THE BULK TRANSFER OCCURRED.

WHETHER OR NOT THE BULK TRANSFER WAS ADEQUATE, I DON'T BELIEVE IS CHARGED IN THE DOCUMENT, SO THAT TO ME IS A BIT OF A RED HERRING. WE'RE HERE WITH REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ADEQUATE DOCUMENTATION ON PREMISES AT THE TIME OF THE INSPECTION TO SUBSTANTIATE THE ALCOHOL THAT WAS ON PREMISES.

AND I BELIEVE THE CHARGES THAT THERE WAS NOT ON THOSE THREE SPECIFIC DATES WHICH OCCURRED LONG AFTER THE BULK TRANSFER TOOK PLACE, ACCORDING TO MR. THORNTON'S TESTIMONY. OKAY, SO WE SHOULD RULE ONE FIRST PART FIRST ABOUT ADEQUATE NOTICE TO BE HERE. AND ACCORDING TO COUNSEL, THERE WAS ADEQUATE NOTICE.

SO WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR DO WE MAKE A RULING? YOU CAN YOU. YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE A MOTION AS TO THE ADEQUACY OF THE SERVICE AND NOTICE.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT MR. THORNTON IS NOW MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE REGARDING THE BULK TRANSFER, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE ADEQUACY OF THE BULK TRANSFER ISN'T AT ISSUE.

SO I WOULD CONFINE THE MOTION TO THE ADEQUACY OF SERVICE.

ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO ADD TO THAT. WELL, YOU JUST READ INTO THE RECORD AS EXHIBITS THE BULK TRANSFER PERMANENT.

SO IT IS AN ISSUE. I'M LOOKING AT THE MR. THORNTON, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CHARGING DOCUMENT, THAT'S ALL. OKAY, GOOD.

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SO I'M GOING TO REFER BACK TO SONNY THAT SONNY DID RECEIVE IN PERSON HIS NOTICE.

THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN ALL AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOTICED THAT ON DECEMBER 18TH, CERTIFIED MAIL RECEIPT THAT THE MAIL WENT TO THEIR ADDRESS ON RECORD.

THAT IT WAS MAILED. THAT WAS MAILED. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE PRESENT TODAY. AND THEY ARE PRESENT. COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PRESENT SAYS THAT THEY WERE NOTIFIED IN ONE MANNER, WHETHER WHETHER THEY GOT THAT MAIL OR NOT, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY WEREN'T AT THAT ADDRESS AT THE TIME.

WHETHER THEY GOT THAT OR NOT, THEY STILL HAD NOTIFICATION OR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE APPEARED TODAY.

YES. AND MR. THORNTON SAID HE ASKED THEM TO BE HERE, SO HE NOTIFIED THEM.

CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SIR. NOTE MAKE A MOTION OR MOVE TO SAY THAT THE APPLICANTS WERE DULY NOTIFIED WITH THE PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME. BECAUSE ON OUR RECORD, WE SHOW THAT TWO OF THEM WERE MAILED ON DECEMBER 18TH, AND THE OTHER ONE FOR MR. SUNNY PATEL, WAS DELIVERED IN PERSON ON 1222 OF 25 AT THE PAINTED FERN ADDRESS LISTED IN THE DOCUMENTS. AND MR. MCMAHON, I RECEIVED THIS TODAY.

THIS WAS RETURNED TO US. IT WAS ADDRESSED TO MR. ROSHAN PATEL IN FLORIDA. JUST RECEIVED IT. IT WAS UNDELIVERABLE.

UNDELIVERABLE? YEAH. SO UNDELIVERED OR UNDELIVERED? EXCUSE ME. YES. YES. SO, NOT SAYING WE HAVE A WRONG ADDRESS.

JUST SAYING THAT THEY COULD NOT MAKE THE DELIVERY.

SOMETIMES IN A BECAUSE THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED FOR.

THE PERSON HAS THERE, THE PERSON HAS TO ACCEPT SERVICE AND THEN SIGN FOR IT.

THEY CANNOT ANSWER THE DOOR OR THEY CANNOT GO TO THE POST OFFICE.

AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE, YOU WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO HAVE PROCESS SERVERS CHASE DOWN EVERY POTENTIAL VIOLATOR, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COUNTY CODE REQUIRES.

WE CAN EFFECTUATE SERVICE BY RETURN RECEIPT. REQUESTED MAILING.

YEAH. SIR, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE MOTION? YEAH, ACTUALLY, I DO IT JUST ACTUALLY THEY WOULD NOT BE SITTING HERE TODAY IF THEY HAD NOT KNOWN THAT THEY WERE GOING TO NEED TO BE HERE, WHETHER MR. THORNTON REACHED OUT TO THEM TO MAKE THEM AWARE, OR WHETHER SUNNY PATEL ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THE OTHER TWO LICENSE HOLDERS AND SAYS, HEY DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECEIVED IT, BUT HERE'S WHAT I RECEIVED.

WE NEED TO GET AHOLD OF MR. THORNTON TO BE HERE TO REPRESENT US.

SO IN MY MOTION, I SAY THAT ALL THREE APPLICANTS WERE DULY NOTIFIED IN SOME FORM OR MANNER.

AND THEY'RE HERE TODAY AND THEY'RE HERE TODAY AS PROOF.

I SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THE.

LICENSE HOLDERS WERE NOTIFIED AND ARE HERE TODAY.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. CARRIED.

I JUST WANT TO, IF I MAY ADD SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD, SO THAT THE COURT WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS THING MOVES ON.

AND THAT IS, THERE WAS NEVER A SUMMONS ISSUED TO REGARD FOR.

BARACK KUMAR. THERE WAS NOT A SUMMONS TISSUE TO HIM, BUT JUST ON THE RECORD.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND MAY I CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, THE LICENSE HOLDER IS LISTED AS.

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AND THE SUMMONS ACTUALLY LISTED MAHESH PATEL AND NOT THE FIRST NAME, SO.

THOSE ARE THE THREE CORRECT NAMES OF THE LICENSE HOLDERS AS WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.

SO YOU COULD CERTAINLY ASK IF THAT IS WHO THAT IS AT THAT ADDRESS.

IS THAT THE CORRECT ADDRESS? YEAH. IN THE MIDDLE TOWN, ISN'T THAT CORRECT MIDDLETOWN ADDRESS AND CORRECT NAME.

OH, YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, WE GOT OTHER PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS, NOT THE BOARD.

OKAY. SECOND OF ALL, WE'RE NOT AT THAT. YOU'VE ALREADY MADE A DECLARATION THAT THE NOTICE WAS VALID.

I THINK THEY'RE JUST RESPONDING TO YOUR QUESTION, ROBERT, THAT HE DIDN'T RECEIVE IT.

SO THAT'S THE END OF QUESTIONS, I THINK, REGARDING.

WELL, I THINK, MR. THORNTON. WELL, WE JUST WANTED TO DETERMINE WAS IF HE HAD NOT RECEIVED IT, DID WE SEND IT TO A WRONG ADDRESS? SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, IS THAT A CORRECT ADDRESS FOR THE MIDDLETOWN, DELAWARE, AND FOR THE FLORIDA ADDRESS? WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT WE DID SEND IT TO THE CORRECT ADDRESS, EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT RECEIVE IT. THAT'S ALL.

YES. OKAY. I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THAT THAT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, THAT IS THE CORRECT ADDRESS.

THAT'S ALL WE WERE, PARAG PATEL. OKAY. OKAY. BUT AS THE RECORD SHOW, THAT SUMMONS WAS ISSUED TO MAHESH PATEL, HE DOES NOT GO BY MAHESH.

MAHESH IS SITTING SEATED IN THE BACK ROOM AND HE HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO LICENSE.

UNDERSTAND? SO HE'S THE ONE THAT RECEIVED IT. THAT'S WHAT IT BOILS DOWN. OKAY.

YEAH, BUT THE ADDRESS. THE ADDRESS IS CORRECT FOR BOTH MAHESH AND FOR.

SO BOTH OF THEM BASICALLY HAVE THAT ADDRESS. UNFORTUNATELY, CLERICAL ERRORS DID NOT PUT THE PROPER NAME ON FOR THE PROPER PERSON TO CORRECT.

OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THEY BOTH HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE ALL THREE LICENSE HOLDERS SITTING HERE IN FRONT.

IN FRONT OF US. CORRECT. OKAY. NOW, WOULD YOU LIKE, MR. THORNTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND ADDRESS YOUR LETTER THAT YOU SENT US? WELL, IT'S ALL INCORPORATED, IN FACT, THAT WHAT THE BOARD IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS INTRODUCE ALL THESE EXHIBITS AND ALL THESE EXHIBITS REFER TO THE PERMIT THAT WAS TRANSFERRED.

BULK TRANSFER PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION.

SO EITHER THESE EXHIBITS, AS YOUR BOARD ATTORNEY JUST SAID, THE THAT WHAT'S CONSIDERED THE FACTOR HERE IS WHAT RECORDS WERE ON THE PREMISES AT THE TIME AND TIMES IN NOVEMBER OF THE INSPECTION. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT WOULDN'T BE A RECORD OF THE PREMISES.

AND SECOND OF ALL, BECAUSE THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION JUST ISSUES THE PERMIT.

THEY DON'T SEPARATELY APPROVE THE THE LISTING OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.

THEY JUST ISSUED A PERMIT. SO I WOULD SAY ANYTHING TO DO WITH PERMIT IS NOT RELATIVE TO THIS CASE.

WELL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION.

UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING THE INSPECTOR IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ABC.

I THINK WE NEED TO. I'M GOING TO. DEFER TO OUR COUNSEL HERE.

IN YOUR IN YOUR LETTER, YOU STATE FIVE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THE DISMISSAL OR WHATEVER.

I THINK THERE'S A CONCERN THAT ON A FEW OF THEM THAT THEY'RE, NOT EVEN FOR OUR COUNTY.

THEY'RE FOR DIFFERENT COUNTY. I'M GOING TO REFER TO OUR COUNCIL ON THAT.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING, MR. MAYOR? I JUST I JUST KIND OF DO WANT TO ADD SOMETHING.

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WHETHER THAT TWO YEAR, IN THAT TWO YEAR TIME FRAME, THE BUSINESS WAS OWNED BY SONY AND THE ONLY LICENSEE AT THE TIME, AND THEN TRANSFERRED TO BECOME STAR DELI AND LIQUOR IS STILL REQUIRED TO KEEP THOSE RECEIPTS ON FILE FOR TWO YEARS. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A PRIOR BUSINESS THAT OWNED IT, IT STILL REQUIRED BY THE NEW BUSINESS TO KEEP THOSE RECORDS.

SO IF EVERYTHING WAS TRANSFERRED AND APPROVED, THERE STILL SHOULD BE RECORD THAT EVERYTHING WAS TRANSFERRED AND PROVED AND WHERE THESE ITEMS CAME FROM. BECAUSE THERE IS A RULE ON THE BOOKS THAT SAYS RECEIPTS MUST BE KEPT FOR TWO YEARS. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. WELL SAID.

THANK YOU. SO LET'S GO THROUGH THESE WITH REGARD TO.

I HAVE DISAGREED WITH IT AND I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

THERE'S NOTHING ANYWHERE THAT I SEE WHERE IT SAYS ANYBODY OTHER THAN THE LICENSING AND ITS INITIAL.

INITIAL ALLEGATION HERE OR WHAT YOU CALL CHARGE NUMBER TWO OR ALLEGATION NUMBER TWO.

IT SAYS ALL LICENSE HOLDERS SHALL MAINTAIN ACCURATE RECORD OF THEIR TRANSACTIONS.

YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE LICENSE HOLDERS OF STARR BELTING AND LIQUORS.

THEIR TRANSACTIONS ARE AT ISSUE NOT TWO YEARS OR BE A YEAR AND TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT, BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DESIGNATE THE GREENS FOR DELHI AND SUNIL AS BEING THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE THOSE RECORDS.

THEY WERE THE PRIOR OWNER. I SEE NOTHING IN ANY IN YOUR ALLEGATIONS OR IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THAT A NEW OWNER OF A BUSINESS HAS TO GO BACK TWO YEARS IN THE RECORDS, AND THERE'S NO VERIFICATION OF THAT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU ISSUE THE PERMIT IF THE THE ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION WANTS TO CHECK THAT AND SEE WHAT RECORDS ARE ON THERE. THAT'S UP TO THEM.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT A NEW LICENSE HOLDER.

HAS TO KEEP TWO YEARS WORTH OF RECORDS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO KEEP RECORDS FROM THE DATE THAT THEY RECEIVED THE LICENSE.

ANYTHING THEY DID, PURCHASED OR OR SOLD DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, WHICH IS TEN MONTHS.

OKAY. BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT DURING THE BULK TRANSFER, THEY ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY ALCOHOL THAT WAS LEFT ON PREMISE.

IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT RESPONSIBILITY, THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE SOMEBODY RETURN THAT.

AND THEY STARTED ALL FRESH, BUT THEY ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS LEFT ON PREMISE.

SO WHEN YOU ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, YOU SHOULD BE KEEPING RECORDS FOR WHAT YOU ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IF I BOUGHT A USED CAR FROM SOMEBODY AND THE STATE POLICE CAME TO ME TWO YEARS LATER AND SAID, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT CAR, IT'S LISTED AS STOLEN.

STILL COMING BACK TO ME. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BULK TRANSFER, THE BULK TRANSFER IS DONE AND SAYS WE'RE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE STUFF THAT'S LISTED IN THIS TRANSFER, BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IT, IT WOULD HAVE ALL GOTTEN RETURNED. YOU'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY OF ME UNDER THE ANSWER. OKAY.

AND THAT IS WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT YOU'RE ON THE TRANSFER.

WHERE DOES YOUR OBJECTION IS NOTED THAT THE CODE AND THE COUNTY PROVISIONS ARE CLEAR, THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT A LICENSE HOLDER HAS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON PREMISES, THEY MUST HAVE RECORDS TO SUBSTANTIATE THEIR PURCHASE OF THOSE BEVERAGES AND ALL SALES OF THOSE BEVERAGES.

AND WHAT HAS BEEN ALLEGED HERE IS THAT THE LICENSE HOLDERS DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE PURCHASE OF ALL OF THE ALCOHOL THAT WAS ON THE PREMISES, AND THE LAW IS CLEAR THAT THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTATIONS OR THAT DOCUMENTATION ON SITE.

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FOR THE RECORD, PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON IN HOMAGE TO THE BREVITY OF LIFE.

I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE MOTION, IF THAT'S WHERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU WERE BEFORE MR. THORNTON MADE HIS OBJECTION.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT. WE'RE GETTING BACK. WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS LETTER THAT YOU PRESENTED US WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THE YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE DISMISSAL.

I'D LIKE FOR TO REFER TO COUNSEL. HE CAN GO DOWN EACH EACH ENGINE.

ENTRY. THANK YOU. SO THE FIRST THREE CAN BE ADDRESSED TOGETHER.

MR. THORNTON'S MOTION IN PARAGRAPH ONE MAKES REFERENCE TO SECTION 33 206 OF THE ABC ARTICLE.

PARAGRAPHS TWO AND THREE INCORPORATE 33 206, TITLE 33 OF THE ABC ALCOHOL BEVERAGE.

CANNABIS I REFER TO AS THE ABC ARTICLE APPLIES ONLY IN WORCESTER COUNTY.

IT DOES NOT APPLY IN CAROLINE COUNTY. 33 102 MAKES CLEAR SCOPE OF TITLE, AND TITLE IS TITLE 33. THIS TITLE APPLIES ONLY IN WORCESTER COUNTY.

AND I'M QUOTING THE PROVISION AS MR. THORNTON IS AWARE, HAVING PREVIOUSLY REPRESENTED THIS BOARD THE ABC ARTICLE PREVIOUSLY, THE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO ARTICLE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND TOBACCO ARTICLE IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS.

PART ONE APPLIES GENERALLY THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

PART TWO HAS TITLES THAT APPLY SPECIFICALLY TO EACH COUNTY.

CAROLINE COUNTY'S TITLE IS 15. WORCESTER COUNTY'S IS TITLE 33.

THE FIRST THREE BASES FOR THE REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL RELY ON LAW THAT APPLIES IN WORCESTER COUNTY AND NOT IN CAROLINE COUNTY, AND UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THOSE THREE, I'LL MOVE ON.

THEY JUST SIMPLY DON'T APPLY IN CAROLINE COUNTY. OKAY.

OKAY. SECTION FOUR. AND AGAIN, ALL SECTION FOUR SAYS, AND I'LL QUOTE IT IS RECORDS TO BE AND THIS IS MR. THORNTON'S QUOTE MADE AVAILABLE FOR AUDIT OR INSPECTION DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS BY THE COMPTROLLER OR AN AUTHORIZED EMPLOYEE OF THE COMPTROLLER, REFERRING TO ONE 408 ONE 408 HAS MULTIPLE REQUIREMENTS.

THE FIRST REQUIREMENT UNDER ONE 408 A, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AND CONSISTENT WITH COUNTY CODE SECTION 2.36, OBLIGATES LICENSE HOLDERS TO KEEP COMPLETE RECORDS OF ALL ALCOHOL BEVERAGES PURCHASED, STOLE, SOLD, STORED, OR WAREHOUSED ON SITE. SECTION B AND C REFERS TO THE CONTROLLER'S ABILITY TO REQUIRE THAT THE LICENSE HOLDER SUBMIT TO THE CONTROLLER WITHOUT AN INSPECTOR HAVING TO GO OUT DOCUMENTATION AT THE REQUEST OF THE CONTROLLER.

THAT'S NOT THE VIOLATION THAT'S BEEN CITED HERE.

WHAT THE INSPECTOR CITED THEM FOR WAS THE FAILURE UNDER A AND UNDER 2.36 TO KEEP COMPLETE RECORDS OF ALL BEVERAGES PURCHASED ON SITE WHEN THE ALLEGATION, AT LEAST THAT IS MADE, IS THAT THERE WERE NOT RECORDS OF ALL PURCHASES ON SITE. THE ALLEGATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AN ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CONTROLLER'S REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTATION AND THE LICENSE HOLDERS FAILURE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE CONTROLLER. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THE CONTROLLER WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THERE ARE MULTIPLE OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE ABC ARTICLE, AS WELL AS OUR COUNTY PROVISIONS THAT NOT ONLY REQUIRE THE LICENSE HOLDERS TO MAINTAIN ADEQUATE RECORDS ON SITE TO SUBSTANTIATE ALL ALCOHOL THAT'S ON SITE, BUT ALSO THAT PERMITS, OBVIOUSLY, THIS BOARD AND YOUR AUTHORIZED AGENTS, INCLUDING THE INSPECTOR, TO INSPECT, REVOKE, SUSPEND OR FINE FOR A VIOLATION AMONG THEM. 2.36 OF OUR COUNTY PROVISIONS SECTION 4.602 OF THE STATE LAW FOR 603 OF THE STATE LAW FOR 0462 026 205.

B ALL THOSE ARE ALL STATE CODE PROVISIONS THAT SPECIFICALLY EMPOWER YOU AND YOUR AUTHORIZED INSPECTOR TO ONE REQUIRE THAT THESE LICENSEES MAINTAIN RECORDS ON SITE THAT PERMIT THE INSPECTOR TO INSPECT THOSE RECORDS AND TO PROSECUTE A VIOLATION OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN FINALLY THERE ARE PROVISIONS OF THE STATE CODE, SPECIFICALLY SIX 205 B

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FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, THE POWER TO DEMAND PRODUCTION, THE PURCHASE AND SALE RECORDS, IT DOES NOT, QUOTE, RELIEVE LOCAL OFFICIALS FROM THE DUTY OF ENFORCEMENT OR PROSECUTION OF VIOLATIONS OF THIS CODE, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS MUCH LONGER THAN I HAVE.

THE STATE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE, BUT SO DOES THIS BOARD AND THIS COUNTY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING. SO WHILE I APPRECIATE UNDER SECTION FOUR WHAT IT DOES REALLY IS TAKE A PROVISION OF ONE 408 OUT OF CONTEXT. YOU HAVE TO READ IT IN CONTEXT TO THE REST OF THE CODE.

AND THE BOARD CERTAINLY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE NOTED.

SECTION FIVE SAYS AND THIS IS SECTION FIVE OF MR. THORNTON'S MOTION. REVOCATION AND SUSPENSION PROCEDURES.

AND NOW I'M PARAPHRASING, MAY ONLY BE STARTED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE STATE AND THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF A MUNICIPALITY THAT'S UNDER 3602. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ARE MULTIPLE OTHER PROVISIONS OF STATE LAW THAT ALLOW YOU TO INITIATE PROCEEDINGS AS YOU HAVE AND TO AUTHORIZE YOUR INSPECTOR TO INSPECT.

SO I WOULD SAY THESE THE MOTION TAKES SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OUT OF CONTEXT AND WHEN READ IN THE CONTEXT OF THE REST.

MY ADVICE IS TO DENY THE MOTION.

BUT I WOULD I WOULD THINK YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS CAROLINE COUNTY, HERE'S WHAT THE STATE CODE SAYS IN 15 TO OH SIX. THAT IS FOR CAROLINE COUNTY UNDER THE CAROLINE COUNTY SECTION, THE STATE CODE, IT SAYS THE COUNTY CODES ADMINISTRATOR IS AN INSPECTOR FOR THE BOARD, IS THE INSPECTOR FOR THE BOARD.

THE BOARD SHALL SPECIFY THE DUTIES OF THE INSPECTOR, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS OF THE COUNTY. WELL, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IN NUMBER ONE.

NOW THE COUNCIL HAS CITED THE FACT THAT THAT THAT WORCESTER COUNTY.

WELL, HERE'S CAROLINE COUNTY THAT THE BOARD SHALL SPECIFY THE DUTIES OF THE INSPECTOR, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION, ENFORCEMENT, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE LAWS OF THE COUNTY.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS FROM A NEXT OBJECTIVE IS WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING INSPECTOR COUNTY CODES ADMINISTRATOR HERE. NUMBER TWO, WE DON'T HAVE WHAT THE DUTIES ARE OF THE INSPECTOR.

SO WHAT ARE THE DUTIES? AND THIS IS WHAT I ASKED FOR IN MY MY MOTION.

GIVE ME THE DUTIES. I WANT TO SEE IF THIS IS WITHIN DUTY THAT HE CAN DO AN AUDIT AND SEIZURE.

IF THAT'S PART OF HIS DUTIES. AND I ASSUME YOU HAVE A WRITTEN DUTY WHERE HE.

WHEN HE WAS SWORN IN AS THE INSPECTOR BY WHOEVER HE'S SWORN IN BY THAT FOURTH, HIS DUTIES.

SO THOSE WOULD BE CLEARLY INCLUDE OR NOT INCLUDE THE AUDITING THAT WAS DONE IN THIS CASE.

SURE. STATE LAW GIVES THE BOARD THE AUTHORITY TO DESIGNATE AND GIVES THE ZONING INSPECTOR THE AUTHORITY TO DESIGNATE TO A DULY AUTHORIZED AGENT OF THE BOARD THE POWER TO ENFORCE, WHICH THIS COUNTY HAS HISTORICALLY DONE FOR DECADES.

I THINK EVEN WHEN MR. THORNTON WAS HERE AS YOUR COUNSEL, THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF YOUR DULY AUTHORIZED AGENT ARE SET FORTH IN THE COUNTY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS. BY THE WAY, I WOULD NOTE THAT IT IS NOT THE BOARD'S OBLIGATION TO AFFIRMATIVELY PROVE THINGS THAT MR. THORNTON RAISES IN ARGUMENT DURING A HEARING.

IT IS MR. THORNTON AND HIS CLIENT'S OBLIGATION TO.

WELL, LET ME, MR. THORNTON. MR. THORNTON, I'M GOING TO.

WELL, THIS I AM HERE REPRESENTING THESE LICENSE HOLDERS.

I UNDERSTAND, AND YOU'RE THE ONE SPEAKING, AND I. I DON'T INTERRUPT YOU, MR. THORNTON. I'LL CALL YOU COUNCILMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

TO MAKE IT CLEAR. COUNCIL. THORNTON. NOW, I'VE LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

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OKAY. ARE YOU READY FOR. CAN WE GET TO THE MOTIONS HERE? I MEAN, I THINK BASED ON THE TESTIMONY FROM OUR FROM OUR COUNSEL THAT WE DENY MRS COUNCIL MR. COUNCIL. THORNTON'S MOTION TO DISMISS.

YOU'RE MAKING THAT MOTION? YEAH. I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD ADEQUATE EXPLANATIONS FROM COUNSEL BASED ON HIS RESEARCH IN THE INTO THE STATE LAWS AND COUNTY LAWS AND PROCEDURES TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR DISMISSAL.

I AGREE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE BROADEN THIS A LITTLE BIT.

OUR COUNSEL ADVISED US UNDER SECTION ONE, TWO AND THREE, THE LETTER OF OBJECTION WAS BASICALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS WRITTEN THAT APPLIED TO CAROLINE COUNTY. SECTION FOUR, WE STILL REQUIRE RECORDS TO BE ON SITE.

AND OUR INSPECTOR IS HIRED ON, AND HIS DUTIES ARE TO ENFORCE ALL LIQUOR LAWS WITHIN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE REGULATIONS, NOT JUST PART OF THE REGULATIONS.

IT'S TO DO ALL THE EVERYTHING THAT IS STATED IN OUR REGULATIONS.

AND THEN I SECOND THE MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE DISAPPROVE THIS DISMISSAL LETTER OR DISMISSAL OF CHARGES FROM MR. THORNTON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. SO, CAN WE PROCEED WITH.

WE CAN PROCEED NOW. AND I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'LL HAVE TREY READ HIS INCIDENT REPORT INTO.

NOW PUT ON RECORD. THE INCIDENT REPORT CONTAINS INFORMATION THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS PROCEEDING BEFORE US. THERE'S ONE WHOLE SECTION, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE PERMITS TO RENOVATE THE BUSINESS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED BY THIS BOARD.

THE BOARD HAS APPROVED THE RENOVATIONS OF OF THE BUSINESS.

BUT YET IN THE REPORT, WE HAVE TWO PARAGRAPHS.

I THINK IT IS ON THAT PARTICULAR. AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER INFORMATION IN THERE. WE IN THE BEGINNING, WE'VE BEEN REFERRED TO THE CONCRETE PAD AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THAT. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF THIS PART OF THE ALLEGATIONS.

THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN OMIT THAT FROM YOUR REPORT.

YOU JUST LIKE TO OMIT THE YOU CAN OMIT THE THE FIRST PARAGRAPH AND THEN ABOUT THE CHANGES.

AND I WOULD SAY YOU START WITH IDENTIFY MYSELF.

OKAY. THAT WAY WE'D ADMIT THAT. THAT'S FINE. WE CAN OMIT THAT FROM THE REPORT.

THAT'S FINE. BUT BEFORE YOU DO, I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD THAT THOSE WERE APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO.

THEY REQUIRED THE PERMITTING. THE COUNTY DOES NOT REQUIRE THE PERMITTING FOR THAT.

AND THERE ARE REGULATIONS IN OUR RULES THAT SAY WHEN CHANGES ARE MADE TO PREMISE, THEY ARE TO MAKE NOTIFICATION.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO WIPE THAT ONE RIGHT OUT. THERE'S WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT SAY, WHEN YOU MAKE NUMBER ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE CHANGES.

THEY MADE ONE TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.

BECAUSE I DO STOP THERE ONCE IN A WHILE TO GET A SODA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO JUST WIPE THAT OUT. BUT THERE ARE REGULATIONS, AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT APPROVE THOSE PERMITS.

THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF GREENSBORO. JUST FOR CLARITY OF THE RECORD, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE RECORD ENDS UP GOING BEYOND JUST THIS BOARD, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT THE OMISSION BEGIN WITH THE FOURTH LINE DOWN OF THE REPORT, WHERE IT BEGINS. UPON ARRIVAL, I IMMEDIATELY AND THEN STRIKE OUT THROUGH THE LAST BULLET POINT WALKING COOLERS INSTALLED.

I THINK YOU WANT TO KEEP THE. ON NOVEMBER 1ST, I BEGAN THE NIGHT BY CONDUCTING AND THE FACT THAT YOU CONDUCTED INSPECTIONS IN MULTIPLE

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FAIR ENOUGH HERE. UPON. UPON ARRIVAL, I KNOW ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2025, I BEGAN THE NIGHT BY CONDUCTING ROUTINE INSPECTIONS AT SEVERAL LICENSED ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN CAROLINE COUNTY.

ONE OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS INSPECTED WAS STAR DELI AND LIQUOR, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE GREENSBORO DELI, LOCATED AT 105 WHITELEYSBURG ROAD IN GREENSBORO, MARYLAND.

I IDENTIFIED MYSELF TO THEM, THE ONLY EMPLOYEE WORKING AT THE TIME.

MR. AMIT KUMAR PATEL, AND ADVISED HIM I WOULD BE DOING A ROUTINE INSPECTION.

STANDARD INSPECTION ITEMS SUCH AS SIGNAGE, BUSINESS LICENSE AND ALCOHOL LICENSE WERE PRESENT AND IN COMPLIANCE.

WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, MR. AMIT KUMAR CONFIRMED THAT THE ALTERATIONS HAD BEEN COMPLETED.

I ASKED IF HE HAD RECEIVED ANY PERMISSION FROM THE TOWN OR FROM THE LIQUOR BOARD.

HE SAID HE DID NOT KNOW OF. HE DID NOT KNOW AND CALLED MR. KUMAR MAHESH BY PATEL, EXPLAINING THAT MR. KUMAR WAS CURRENTLY IN INDIA FOR THE MONTH.

DURING THE CALL, MR. KUMAR TOLD ME HE HAD RECEIVED PERMISSION FROM EVERYONE TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION.

I ADVISED HIM THAT I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE AS I HAD NO RECOLLECTION.

RECOLLECTION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE LICENSED PREMISES.

WHILE ON THE PHONE, I ASKED SEVERAL INSPECTION RELATED QUESTIONS THAT MR. AMIT KUMAR WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH. I ALSO NOTED THAT A LARGE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL APPEARING TO BE MISSING FROM THE STORE.

WHEN I ASKED WHERE DID ALL THE ALCOHOL GO? MR. KUMAR REPLIED, WE SOLD IT. I TOLD HIM THAT THIS THAT THIS VOLUME OF SALES WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE BUSINESS'S PAST PERFORMANCE AND THAT THE CURRENT SHELVING HELD MOST LARGE, LARGER BOTTLES OF ALCOHOL, WHICH WAS NOT COMMONLY SEEN DURING PREVIOUS VISITS WHEN WHEN THE BUSINESS WAS OPERATING AS THE GREENSBORO DELI.

I REVIEWED THE INVOICES THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, AND REQUESTED THAT ALL ALCOHOL PURCHASES AND SALES RECORDS FROM THE TIME PERIOD THAT THEY HAD BEEN IN OPERATION BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD.

THE BOARD OFFICE BY FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH. MR. KUMAR STATED THAT HE WOULD BRING THEM. I CONTACTED THE MARYLAND ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND CANNABIS COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT INVENTORY SUBMITTED FOR THIS BUSINESS PRIOR TO NOVEMBER 7TH. STAR DELEON LIQUOR DROPPED OFF SOME RECORDS, BUT IT BUT NOT ALL THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED.

THE PACKET CONTAINED A LIST OF BULK TRANSFER INVENTORY ITEMS AND A BREAKDOWN OF FOOD AND ALCOHOL SALES, BUT NO DISTRIBUTOR INVOICES FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.

AFTER COMPARING THE PROVIDED DOCUMENTS TO THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT AND TO THE ON SITE INVENTORY, I DETERMINED THAT FURTHER INVESTIGATION WAS NEEDED.

THE FOLLOW UP INSPECTION ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2025.

I RETURNED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2025, AT APPROXIMATELY 6:30 P.M..

MR. AMITKUMAR WAS PRESENT AND PROVIDED THE INVOICES ON SITE.

I DIVIDED THEM INTO TWO PILES. BEER DISTRIBUTORS AND LIQUOR DISTRIBUTORS.

I PHOTOGRAPHED SEVEN LIQUOR DISTRIBUTOR. DISTRIBUTOR.

INVOICES AND THE PILE OF BEER DISTRIBUTOR INVOICES.

COMPARING THESE ITEMS WITH THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT INVENTORY LIST AND WITH THE ITEMS PRESENT IN THE STORE, I FOUND SEVERAL ITEMS FOR WHICH THERE WAS NO RECORDS OF PURCHASE.

I BEGAN SEPARATING THEM FOR CONFISCATING CONFISCATION.

MR. AMIT KUMAR ADVISED ME THAT THE ITEMS WERE OLD AND HAD BEEN FOUND AROUND THE STORE.

I ADVISED HIM THAT THEY WERE. IF THEY WERE THAT OLD, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN LISTED ON THE BULK TRANSFER INVENTORY SUBMITTED TO THE ATCC, WHICH THEY WERE NOT. WHILE DOCUMENTING THE ITEMS, MR. AMIT KUMAR CALLED MR. KUMAR WHO TOLD ME THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER, SONNY, JUST DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE INFORMATION AND CLAIMED THAT SONNY MAY HAVE TOOK THE ITEMS FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT. I TOLD HIM THAT REGARDLESS OF THE PRIOR ISSUES, MR. KUMAR WOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE BULK TRANSFER PROMISES AND SHOULD HAVE VERIFIED THE ACCURACY OF THE INVENTORY, MR. KUMAR TOLD MR. AMIT KUMAR. TO COMPLY WITH THE INSPECTION DUE TO THE LATE HOUR, I CHOSE NOT TO HOLD THE EMPLOYEES BEYOND NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS AND INFORMED MR. AMIT KUMAR AND MR. KUMAR THAT IT WOULD BE BACK TO COMPLETE THE INSPECTION.

MR. KUMAR SIGNED THE CONFISCATION SHEET AND WAS ASKED TO INITIAL ANY CORRECTIONS.

ALL ITEM CONFISCATION ON THIS DATE WAS DOCUMENTED, PHOTOGRAPHED AND REMOVED.

A FOLLOW UP INSPECTION NOVEMBER 11TH, 2025. ON NOVEMBER 11TH, 2025, I RETURNED TO COMPLETE THE INVENTORY INSPECTION.

MR. KUMAR WAS PRESENT ON THIS DAY AND HE CALLED MR. KUMAR AND ADVISED HIM I WAS BACK, MR. KUMAR STATED.

HE TALKED TO THE FORMER OWNER, SONNY, AFTER MY LAST VISIT.

HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE INVOLVED WITH THE BULK TRANSFER PROCESS, BUT REITERATED THAT SONNY DIDN'T KEEP GOOD RECORDS AND WOULD SOMETIMES DOCUMENT THE INVENTORY BY THE COLOR OF THE BOTTLES. HE ALSO STATED THAT HE KNEW I HAD A JOB TO DO, AND THAT HE DIDN'T CARE IF WE TOOK THE BOTTLES AND CLARIFIED THAT HE DIDN'T.

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I ASKED THAT SOMEONE HAD GONE THROUGH AND REORGANIZED THE INVOICES SINCE MY PRIOR INSPECTION, AS THEY HAD BEEN PUT IN ORDER AND STAPLED TOGETHER.

I SEIZED ADDITIONAL ITEMS AND PROVIDED MR. AMIT KUMAR WITH A SECOND SEIZURE SHEET.

ALL ITEMS WERE PHOTOGRAPHED AND DOCUMENTED. I ALSO PHOTOGRAPHED A NEW LIQUOR INVOICE DATED AT 1111 2025 FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES.

WHILE THEIR ATTEMPTED SALE TO OH SORRY AND THEN JUST CONCLUSION, ALL ITEMS WERE SEIZED DURING THE NOVEMBER 6TH AND NOVEMBER 11TH.

INSPECTIONS WERE FULLY DOCUMENTED AND PHOTOGRAPHED. ALL CONFISCATION CONFISCATED.

ALCOHOL WAS TRANSPORTED BY ME TO THE BOARD OFFICE, PLACED IN EVIDENCE LOCKER AND SECURED COPIES OF THE SEIZURE RECEIPTS WERE PHOTOGRAPHED AND RETURNED TO THE BUSINESS FOR THEIR RECORDS. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE CHARGES WERE LISTED.

EXHIBITS THAT ARE SHOWN ARE THE SEIZURE SHEET, THE ALCOHOL CONFISCATION RECEIPT FROM THE SIXTH, DOCUMENTING WHAT ALCOHOL WAS TAKEN. THE NEXT PAGE, EXHIBIT SIX, PAGE SIX OF 17, SHOWS PICTURES OF ALCOHOL CONFISCATED AT THE BUSINESS.

EXHIBIT SIX, PAGE SEVEN OF 17 SHOWS THE THE ENTIRE LIST OF INVOICES.

NOVEMBER. EXHIBIT SIX, PAGE EIGHT OF 17 SHOWS ALL BEER INVOICES.

EXHIBIT SIX. PAGE NINE OF 17 SHOWS ALL LIQUOR INVOICES.

SEPARATED. PAGE OR EXHIBIT SIX. PAGE TEN OF 17.

JUST SHOWS THE INDIVIDUAL LIQUOR INVOICES AS WELL AS THE NEXT ONE.

EXHIBIT SIX, PAGE 11 OF 17 AND 12 OF 17. EXHIBIT SIX, PAGE 13 OF 17, ALSO SHOWS MORE ALCOHOL THAT WAS CONFISCATED THAT NIGHT AT THE BUSINESS, AS WELL AS PAGE 14 OF 17. AND THEN EXHIBIT SIX.

PAGE 15 OF 17 IS THE NEW ALCOHOL INVOICE THAT SHOWED UP ON THE FOLLOWING INSPECTION.

IT IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS AS TO GET A CLEARER PICTURE OF THE INVOICE.

EXHIBIT SIX, PAGE 17 OF 17 IS THE LAST ALCOHOL CONFISCATION RECEIPT.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL THE ALCOHOL THAT IS SEIZED IS TO THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. THORNTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK OR YOUR CLIENTS LIKE TO SPEAK? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SURE. COMMISSIONER. SURE.

AND FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS READ INTO THE RECORD, THAT MY OBJECTION IS STILL ON THE RECORD FOR ALL THAT THAT WAS READ.

AND BECAUSE WE DID GET INTO THE RENOVATIONS OF THE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS NOT ONE OF THE ALLEGATIONS HERE TODAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MY OBJECTION AND EVERYTHING IS ON RECORD THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH.

YEAH, I THINK HE WAS JUST STATING IT. I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HIM.

I THINK HE WAS JUST STATING IT AS A PREMISE AS TO HOW THE INSPECTION WENT, WHAT HE NOTED, WHAT HE SAW. YES. MR. INSPECTOR, DID YOU DID YOU CHECK ANY OF THE INVOICES OF THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS TO GREENSBORO DELI? ANY AND ALL RECORDS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO ME, I REVIEWED, PROVIDED TO YOU? YES. BUT I'M ASKING YOU SPECIFICALLY DID YOU CHECK FOR ANY AND ALL INVOICES OF THE GREENSBORO DELI, THE PREVIOUS ESTABLISHMENT, ANYTHING THAT WAS THERE? DID YOU EVER MEET PERSONALLY WITH ANY OF THE THREE LICENSEES REGARDING THIS? YES. YOU DID. YES. OKAY. WHEN WAS THAT? THIS WAS WHICH I HAVE DOCUMENTED OVER AT THE OTHER ESTABLISHMENT.

THE INDIVIDUAL TO THE RIGHT OF YOU CONFRONTED ME AND SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

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OKAY. I WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT QUESTION. MY INTENT WAS DID YOU SPEAK WHEN YOU WERE ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE PREMISES, ANY RECORDS THAT WERE ON THE PREMISES? WHO WERE YOU TALKING TO? THE MANAGER. THAT WOULD BE A PERSON YOU CALL ADMIT, RIGHT? MR. AMIT KUMAR. OKAY. WELL, WERE YOU TALKING TO ANY OF THE THREE LICENSE HOLDERS HERE? THE ONLY PERSON HE CALLED WAS MR. KUMAR MAHESH PATEL.

OKAY, LET ME GET AWAY. OKAY. OKAY. WHO CALLED? MR.. MR.. AMIT KUMAR. OKAY. AND WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THAT? EVERYTHING THAT WAS STATED IN THE REPORT, WHICH WHICH WAS WAS AS AS THE REPORT SAID THAT I COULD TAKE THE ALCOHOL.

SOME, SOME ITEMS WERE SAID THE FORMER OWNER SONNY DID NOT DOCUMENT ALL THE BOTTLES BY NAME, BUT SOMETIMES BY COLOR. THERE'S VARIOUS STATEMENTS IN HERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE ONLY PERSON YOU EVER TALKED TO ABOUT THE THE FACTS, I GUESS, WAS OMIT. OMIT. AND MR. PROK KUMAR. WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU WERE TALKING TO MR. PROK MA, HIS MANAGER ON DUTY SAID IT WAS HIM.

HE SAID IT WAS HIM. HE SAID, HERE'S MR. PARAG TOMORROW.

YES. TO YOU? YES. OKAY. SO IF IT WASN'T MR. PARAG TOMORROW, YOU HAVE NO WAY TO TELL ANY DIFFERENTLY.

CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO NOW, YOU SAID ALL RECORDS WERE PROVIDED. YOU.

WHO WERE THEY PROVIDED YOU BY ON THE DAY, MR. KUMAR? AND THEN THEY WERE THE PERMIT. THE PERMIT WAS BROUGHT TO MY OFFICE.

I WAS NOT HERE WHEN IT WAS DELIVERED. YEAH. OKAY.

BUT WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR INSPECTION ON IT, YOU WERE CHECKING INVOICES? YES.

AND YOU SAID YOU WERE CHECKING ALL THE INVOICES YOU WERE GIVEN? YES. WHAT DID YOU DO? A COMPLETE SEARCH OF THE PREMISES TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER INVOICES ON THE PREMISES.

I COMPLETED THE FULL INSPECTION. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

DID YOU COMPLETE AN INSPECTION, IN OTHER WORDS? YES. MR.. YES. MR.. SUNIL HAD RECORDS, I ASSUME, FROM HIS PREVIOUS BUSINESS. AND YOU DIDN'T FIND ANY OF THOSE RECORDS? NO. WELL, SO YOU WERE RELYING ON JUST THE RECORDS THAT MR. EMMETT LAMAR GAVE YOU? YES. THAT WAS IT. YES.

OKAY, SO YOU WEREN'T DOING ANY INSPECTION OTHER THAN WHAT MR. KUMAR GAVE YOU? I DID A FULL INSPECTION AS A ROUTINE INSPECTION.

BUT YOU SAID EVERYTHING WAS OKAY ON THE ROUTINE INSPECTION.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. OKAY, WELL, THEN LET'S TELL.

TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY ROUTINE INSPECTION. SAME INSPECTION THAT I DO FOR ALL MY ESTABLISHMENTS.

WELL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ON THE RECORD HERE FOR POSSIBLY A COURT HEARING.

OKAY. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK FOR, ROUTINE INSPECTION, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK FOR ARE PROPER SIGNAGE ON THE OUTSIDE OF A BUSINESS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPER SIGNAGE IS OUT THERE, WHETHER IT IS A CLASS D OR IS IT JUST A LIQUOR STORE? LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT. I LOOK AT THE RECORDS, I MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ALCOHOL AWARENESS TRAINED.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT I LOOK FOR. OKAY.

AND DID YOU FIND IN THAT ROUTINE INSPECTION THAT NOTHING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T CORRECT OR WASN'T THERE? YES. I FOUND THINGS THAT WERE INCORRECT. OKAY.

WHAT WERE THOSE THINGS? I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO STRIKE THE THE CONSTRUCTION NET, BUT, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ME THAT QUESTION, THAT'S WHAT. THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. OBVIOUSLY, I ASKED FOR TIPS CARDS. I ASKED FOR YOU KNOW, THE RECORDS OF THE ALCOHOL.

NOTICE THAT THERE WAS ALCOHOL THAT WASN'T THERE PREVIOUSLY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THAT. HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE WAS ALCOHOL THAT WAS NOT THERE PREVIOUSLY? BECAUSE I'VE DONE INSPECTIONS THERE FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS. YEAH, OKAY.

BUT WHEN DID YOU DO THOSE INSPECTIONS? WHEN WAS THE LAST INSPECTION AND WHO WAS THE LICENSE HOLDER AT THE TIME YOU DID THE LAST INSPECTION? SONNY WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. SONNY WAS THERE 95% OF THE TIME WHEN YOU DID PRIOR INSPECTIONS? YES. OKAY. BUT YOU DIDN'T TALK TO SONNY HERE?

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YOU INSPECTED. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WHAT RECORDS WERE THERE.

YES. DID YOU GO INTO THE OFFICE IN THE BACK ROOM OR.

YES. AND SEARCH THROUGH ALL THE FILE DRAWER CABINETS? YES. YOU DID. YES. WELL, HOW DID MR. ADMIT TO GIVE YOU THOSE THINGS THEN? IN A FOLDER STAPLED TOGETHER ON THE SECOND INSPECTION.

OKAY. SECOND, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU WERE THERE THE FIRST TIME, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RECORDS.

THAT'S WHY THEY WERE. THEY WERE TOLD TO BRING IT TO MY OFFICE.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE WHAT RECORDS? ALCOHOL RECORDS.

WELL, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? INVOICES. INVOICES? RECEIPTS OF SALE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT. THINGS THAT THEY PROVIDED.

YOU HAD THOSE THINGS ON THE PREMISES? YEAH. WELL, COUNCILWOMAN, YOU HAD ONE OF THE REFERENCES, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, WELL, I'LL ASK THEM.

OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. I DO HAVE WITNESSES. OKAY. GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW? SURE. OKAY. OKAY. IT SAYS THERE IS NO RECORDS.

SONNY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU ALL BEEN SWORN. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE. THEY'VE ALL BEEN SWORN. YES. OKAY.

NOW? YEAH. RASHAWN, YOU YOU HAVE RECORDS IN YOUR HAND.

WHAT ARE THOSE RECORDS FROM THE OLD OWNER. AND THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN BY THE OFFICER.

WE FOUND A COUPLE OF THEM. I ALREADY MARKED IN THIS PAPER AND A COUPLE OF THEM IN THIS PLACE.

WE DID THE RENOVATION. SO MAYBE THROW OUT OR SOMETHING BY THE WHO WORKED THERE AND CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING.

WE DID FIND A COUPLE OF THEM, AND WE DO HAVE INVOICES.

WHERE DID YOU FIND THESE RECORDS? IT WAS IN A FILE.

IN WHAT? IT WAS. WHERE WAS IT LOCATED? INVOICES? WELL, YEAH. ON THE PREMISE. ON THE PREMISES. SORRY, MR. THORNTON, I JUST THOUGHT I'D TRY TO HELP US THERE.

YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S FINE. 12345. SIX. SEVEN. EIGHT.

NINE. TEN. AND A COUPLE OF THEM IS MISSING. AND BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OF THEM LIKE OFFICER HAS TAKEN CROWN ROYAL MAPLE.

I TEXTED TO THE SALES REP LIKE WHERE CAN I FIND THESE INVOICES FOR CROWN ROYAL? HE SAID IT'S BEEN DISCONTINUED FOR MANY YEARS.

YOU GOT THE BUSINESS IN FEBRUARY. SO HOW DO I GET THAT WATER THAT IS ALREADY DISCONTINUED FOR MANY YEARS? SO HE ALSO TAKEN A CAPTAIN. SO WHAT? SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU DID AN INVENTORY.

WHEN YOU DON'T BULK TRANSFER. YOU SAID THAT YOU GOT THAT INVENTORY FROM THE STATE.

CORRECT? THAT WAS THAT WAS THE INVENTORY THAT WAS PROCESSED, THAT WAS PROCESSED OR ADMITTED TO THE STATE.

RIGHT. SO THAT AT THAT POINT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE INVENTORY.

OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. LET ME CALL IF I MAY.

SONNY. SONNY STARTED TO SAY SOMETHING. SO WHAT WAS YOUR.

YOU SOLD THIS BUSINESS, CORRECT? YES. AND YOU TRANSFERRED THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO THE PURCHASERS.

CORRECT? OKAY. TO THE NEW BUSINESS. OKAY. AND WHO DID THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT APPLICATION? WHO LISTED THE PREMISES? YOU MADE THE LIST WITH THE ITEM, BUT IN INSTRUCTION.

IT DIDN'T SAY THAT. YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY OR PLACE, SAY FOR ANDROID CAMERA.

REGULAR APPLE MAPLE IN ALL CAMERA ON THE SAME PRODUCT.

BUT IN INSTRUCTION. DIDN'T SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO LISTED SEPARATELY LIKE A CAMERA AT ALL TIMES.

REGULAR MEMORY. SO I TOOK THE ITEM WHICH IS THE BRAND SIZE AND SIZE, AND ALTOGETHER I DIDN'T END UP STEPPING UP ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM. OKAY, SO. SO YOU DID THE INVENTORY YOURSELF? YES. WHILE I WAS RUNNING THE STORE. YES. OKAY.

ANYBODY HELP YOU? NO. OKAY. DID ANYBODY ELSE GO THROUGH THE LIST

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BUT I MADE THE LIST ON THE. WHEN YOU SAY THEY FILLED IN THE APPLICATION.

YEAH. OKAY. WELL, BUT IT WAS SENT IN WITH A A $200 CHECK, WASN'T IT? YES. AND WHO WROTE THE CHECK? WELL, HE GOT A CHECK FROM ME FOR YOU.

OKAY. SO SO BASICALLY THEY FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION, ATTACHED YOUR INVENTORY.

YES. OKAY. AND SENT IT WITH YOUR CHECK. YEAH.

TO THE COMMISSION. IS THAT RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO SAY. YEAH. SO YOU'RE, YOU WERE ATTESTING THAT OKAY.

THIS IS THE INVENTORY WE HAVE. NOW WHEN WE TRANSFERRED STARTING IN FEBRUARY OR WHATEVER.

SO THEN YOUR RECORDS, ANYTHING MORE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE RECORDS FOR FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.

CORRECT. I MEAN, BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU COULDN'T FIND RECORDS FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY'D BEEN DISCONTINUED OR WHATEVER, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT BULK TRANSFER.

IT SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS THERE PRIOR TO THAT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.

AND THEN GOING FORWARD, YOU SHOULD HAVE WHAT YOU'VE PURCHASED GOING FORWARD.

CORRECT. HE MENTIONED HE DIDN'T LIKE JUNK. IS IT LIKE DIFFERENT FLAVORS? AND HE JUST DOWN FROM 375 AS HE SAID HE WAS COUNTING ALONE.

SO HE THOUGHT LET'S SPEED UP THE THREE. MOST OF MOST OF TIME.

I WON'T SAY LIKE ALL ITEMS, BUT MOST OF TIME.

375 MOSTLY THEY HAVE. THEY ALREADY LOST SOMETHING.

THEY MOSTLY THEY HAVE SAME PRICE. SO HE JUST COUNTED LIKE, OKAY, REGULAR COUNT 375.

HOW DIFFERENT COUNT ONE, 2 OR 3 OKAY, LET'S COUNT WITH THIS ONE LIKE REGULAR ITEM.

BECAUSE IN THE APPLICATION WE DIDN'T SEE LIKE WE HAVE TO WRITE IT DOWN WITH THE FLAVOR OR EVERYTHING WITH THE APPLICATION.

WE SAW THE ITEM NAME, HOW MANY BOTTLES OR LIKE WHEN YOU COUNT HOW MANY BOTTLES OR SOMETHING, OR WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE BOTTLE? AND THAT'S WHAT WE WROTE DOWN.

AND WE ALSO USED THIS ONE FOR LIKE WHEN WE PAID HIM FOR THE INVENTORY.

WE USE THE SAME ITEM. SO HE HE SAID HE GOT THE MONEY FROM US FOR THE INVENTORY, RIGHT? AND HE WORKS WITH THE PARTNER. SO HE GOT THE MONEY FROM. SO HE DEFINITELY WANT TO WRITE IT DOWN.

HE'S NOT GOING TO LET ANY WATER. IF HE DON'T WRITE THE WATER, HE'S NOT GOING TO GET IT.

SO WE TRUSTED HIM BECAUSE WHATEVER HE I MEAN FROM A LONG TIME, THAT'S WHY HE'S OUR PARTNER.

SO THAT'S HOW I CAN MAKE THE TRANSACTION, RIGHT? OKAY, GOOD. HE DIDN'T, LIKE, DID ANYTHING. WE GOT IT FROM THE LIKE, ANY OTHER STORE.

AND WE DIDN'T DO THAT? NO. NOT EVEN ANY OTHER OFFICER WOULD BE TALKING ON THE PHONE.

HE WAS TELLING US ABOUT THAT. ALL THREE OF US.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE STORE. OKAY.

YOU'RE GETTING ANYTHING. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DIDN'T BRING IN ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES INTO THE GREENSBORO, INTO YOUR STORE, DELI AND LIQUOR FROM ANYWHERE ELSE? NO. OKAY. WHAT WAS THERE WAS EITHER THERE UNDER SUNNY OR WHEN HE THAT HE PURCHASED OR YOU PURCHASED IT SINCE FEBRUARY 25TH OF 2024.

IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. OR 25? OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK YOU SAID JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY CLARIFY. SUNNY DID THE INVENTORY.

OKAY. HE ADDED UP THE PRICE OF EACH OF THE ITEMS. RIGHT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT INVENTORY LIST, IT HAS FIGURES AT THE BOTTOM.

YEAH. WHAT WERE THOSE FIGURES? IT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY WHEN YOU TAKE OVER THE INVENTORY OR STORE.

WE PAY THE SELLER. I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO IF SONNY LEFT ANYTHING OFF OF THE INVENTORY, IF HE LEFT IT, THEN HE DIDN'T GET THE MONEY. HE DIDN'T GET THE MONEY.

IF HE LEFT IT. SO HIS. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YOU NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPARE EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUDDENLY PUT ON THE INVENTORY WITH ANY PRIOR INVOICES.

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HOW OLD ARE THEY? THEY'RE 23. 22. 21? YEAH.

OKAY. ALSO, I WANT TO MENTION ONE THING. SINCE WE GOT THE STORE, WE WANTED TO DO THE RENOVATION, SO WE DIDN'T EVEN. AFTER TRANSFERRING US, WE DIDN'T EVEN ORDER THAT MUCH.

EVEN FROM CERTAIN COMPANY. THE LADY WAS CALLING ME LIKE, YOU WANT TO ORDER THIS WEEK? YOU WANT THIS WEEK? I WAS SAYING I AM WAITING FOR INNOVATION.

SO WE DIDN'T ORDER THAT MUCH LIQUOR. OKAY, SO YOU TOOK OVER THE BUSINESS.

YOU'VE RECEIVED YOUR LICENSE ON THE 25TH. OKAY.

WHEN DID YOU ACTUALLY START OPERATING THE BUSINESS? CUSTOMER 1ST OF MARCH. OKAY. NOW FROM THE 1ST OF MARCH, WHEN DID YOU MAKE YOUR FIRST ORDER? FOR PRODUCT? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY, WELL, YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU WAITED A WHILE TO ORDER MORE PRODUCT UNTIL THE RENOVATIONS WERE DONE.

OKAY, WELL, HOW LONG DID YOU WAIT? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BECAUSE I GOT THE INVOICE DATE OR SOMETHING.

BUT LIKE HOW LONG? OKAY. OKAY, WELL, JUST WANT SOMETHING TO CLARIFY.

YOU DID ORDER ADDITIONAL PRODUCT. AFTER YOU PURCHASED.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YOU DID ALL THOSE ITEMS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE PAPERWORK? YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE A, LET'S SAY THIS OR SOMETHING BOTTLE OR SOMETHING THAT WE ORDERED AFTER RIJINO OR SOMETHING BEFORE WE BEGAN.

I'M STILL NOT GETTING THE ITEM THAT WAS SELLING.

OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. OKAY. ANYTHING THAT YOU SOLD SINCE MARCH 1ST WHEN YOU TOOK OVER THE BUSINESS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU SOLD? I THINK SO, BECAUSE BEFORE FROM THE FROM THE OLD OWNER, WE GOT THE OLD STUFF THAT YOU PUT IN, I THINK MAY OR JUNE. WE GOT THE NEW FUEL SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE. LIKE EVERYTHING, WE CAN RECORD INVENTORY OR EVERYTHING.

THAT'S WHAT I CAN GIVE TO TOP OF THE LIST. LIKE HOW MUCH YOU GOAL OR HOW MUCH YOU HOW MUCH LIQUOR IS THERE? HOW MUCH GROCERY IS THERE? HOW MUCH SODA IS THERE? IS THERE? SO THAT WAS A THAT WAS A QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK.

DO YOU USE A USE A POS SYSTEM? YES. WE RECENTLY GOT THE.

SO LIKE YOUR FOR INSTANCE, WE WERE USING CROWN ROYAL AS A AS A REFERENCE AND THEN YOUR MAPLE AND VANILLA AND THEN THE REGULAR. DON'T THEY ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT BARCODE TO THEM THAN EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE A DIFFERENT BARCODE.

YEAH THEY DO HAVE DIFFERENT BARCODE. SO YOU HAD THEM ALL INTO YOUR SYSTEM.

DID YOU HAVE THEM ALL BARCODED INTO YOUR SYSTEM.

SO IF THEY RUN UP A CROWN ROYAL MAPLE, IT RINGS UP INTO YOUR SYSTEM.

I DID HELP WITH IT. DIDN'T JUST SAY PURPLE LID OR DIDN'T JUST SAY RED LID OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? MOST OF THEM. I MIGHT HAVE LEFT SOME OF THEM BECAUSE I WAS SO PLEASED TO MY EMPLOYER LIKE HOW TO PUT IT IN THE SYSTEM, THE HUBINGER. SO I WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH SO I DON'T EVEN GET TO SEE WHAT THE TIME WAS.

SO I ALSO THINK HE MIGHT HAVE GIVEN HIM SOMETHING, MIGHT IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE IF THEY IF YOU IF YOU SCAN IT, IT DOESN'T BRING UP AS PURPLE LID OR WHATEVER.

IT'S IT'S RINGING UP AS WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. YEAH.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'VE GOT IT INTO THE SYSTEM. YEAH.

BUT OKAY. COOL. SO I DON'T THINK SO. YOU WILL BE SO GLAD YOU KNOW THE INFORMATION.

OKAY. JUST TO GET IT STRAIGHT. WHEN YOUR CLERK, WHOEVER'S HANDLING THE TAX, WHEN THEY SELL SOMETHING.

OKAY, THEN HOW DO THEY SELL IT? DO THEY SCAN THE BARCODE? YEAH, THEY SCAN THE BARCODE. IS LIQUOR OR BEER OR SOMETHING, OR CIGARETTE OR SOMETHING.

IT WILL ASK YOU FOR ID THE SCREEN POP UP. IS IT LIKE YOU ENTER THE MANUALLY OR YOU CAN SCAN THE LICENSE ID.

BUT BUT AS FAR AS THE PRODUCT GOES, YOU'RE SCANNING INSIDE AND SYSTEM TELLS YOU WHAT THE COST OF THAT PRODUCT IS.

BEFORE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT SYSTEM. OKAY. WHEN DID YOU START THAT SYSTEM? PROBABLY JUNE OR MAY. MAYBE MAY OR JUNE. OKAY.

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HE DID ORDER NEW PRODUCT, BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE THE PROOF OF THAT PURCHASE.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WHERE WE'RE I THINK WHERE WE'VE LOST PROOF OF PURCHASE WAS THE LIQUOR THAT THEY ABSORBED IN THE PURCHASE OF THE BUSINESS. OKAY.

NOTHING. NOTHING. SINCE THEY PURCHASED. IT'S ALL WAS STUFF THAT WAS THERE THAT CAN'T BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

ACCORDING TO THEM, BECAUSE LIKE LIKE THEY HAVE SAID AND I HAVE SAID BEFORE, IT WAS MINIATURES AND THEY'VE ORDERED LARGER BOTTLES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ALCOHOL CAME FROM THE OLD.

I NEVER SAW IT OR LIKE THEY LIKE. I ASKED THEM AT THE TIME, DID THIS COME FROM ANOTHER STORE OR DID THIS COME FROM ANOTHER STATE? ANY NEVER CAME FROM ANY OTHER STATE. ANY OTHER STORE? THANK YOU. ONE. ONE MORE QUESTION. OKAY. THE THE RECEIPTS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND, IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, WILL PROVE PURCHASE WHEN SONNY OWNED GREENSBORO DELI.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T FOUND IT FOR ALL OF THE. BUT THEY HAVE FOUND IT FOR HALF OF IT OR SO.

YEAH. AND THIS IS THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN ENTERED YET.

YEAH. CORRECT. SO SHOULD THAT BE ENTERED AS EVIDENCE OR BASICALLY WE BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO THE INSPECTOR AT THE TIME.

WE CAN'T ACCEPT ANYTHING NEW. AND THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS I BELIEVE IT SHOULD ESTABLISH AT SOME POINT THIS IS JUST ME. IF WE CAN SHOW RECORD OF PROOF OF PURCHASE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT EVIDENCE BACK. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN'T PROVE SHOULD BE FORFEITED AND POURED OUT THE PRODUCT, THE PRODUCT ITSELF.

I'M JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH WE HAVE WE HAVE A PILE OF INVOICES.

I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY WERE PROBABLY NOT IN THE NORMAL PLACE THAT YOU WERE KEEPING INVOICES, AND YOU ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH AND STARTED DIGGING AND FOUND THINGS.

AND I'M AND I'M I'M NOT POINTING BLAME OR I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING, BUT MAYBE THEY WEREN'T EVEN THERE.

THEY MAYBE THEY WERE IN A FILE THAT SONNY HAD CLEARED OUT AND DIDN'T REALIZE HE TOOK THOSE.

JUST. WE DID NOTHING. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALL PART OF YOUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.

IT STILL HAS TO BE. IT HAS TO BE THERE AND READILY AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION.

RIGHT. RIGHT. EXACTLY. IT HAS TO BE. THERE HAS TO BE THERE AND READILY AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION AND HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD, WE PUT EVERYTHING INTO A STANDARDIZED PLACE AND EVERY EMPLOYEE NOW KNOWS WHEN MR. INSPECTOR SHOWS UP. THIS IS WHERE TIPS CARS ARE.

THIS IS WHERE INVOICES ARE AND WE KEEP THEM. SO WE AVOID THIS IN THE FUTURE.

WE CAN'T GET PAST THIS. WE STILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS CHARGE.

MY THING IS, AT SOME POINT, ONCE THIS IS OVER WITH, CAN THE LICENSE HOLDERS AND OUR INSPECTORS SIT DOWN WITH THOSE RECEIPTS AND RETURN EVIDENCE THAT WE DO HAVE PROOF OF THAT WAS PURCHASED THERE? THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY WITHIN THE INSPECTORS AND THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN ESTABLISH THAT THEY BUT WE GOTTA WE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THIS.

I THINK WE I THINK WE KIND OF GOT OFF TRACK HERE.

THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHETHER THE CHARGE, WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD AND PRESENTED ADEQUATE DOCUMENTATION AT THE TIME OF THE INSPECTION.

CORRECT. RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS NOW.

YEAH. THEN WE CAN GET IN. I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE INSPECTOR.

THIS THE FLAVORS AND THINGS. IS THAT LISTED SOMEPLACE FOR YOU? HE. HE HAD LISTED IT ON THE BULK TRANSFER PERMIT.

SEVERAL OTHER BRANDS THAT HAVE. HE BROKE IT DOWN BY THE FLAVORS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GENEVA. DO WE HAVE THE.

CAN YOU PULL UP? YEAH, YOU CAN GO TO EXHIBIT EIGHT, PAGE FIVE OF TEN, EXHIBIT EIGHT, PAGE FIVE.

BECAUSE OF THAT REASON, I GAVE THEM THE THREE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING IN THE.

SO YOU WERE TRYING TO GET THAT STRAIGHT? YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM.

YEAH. AND IT NEVER AMOUNTED TO ANYTHING. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. IF YOU GO TO PAGE SIX OF TEN, IT. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THE CROWN ROYAL'S REFERENCE,

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KEEP GOING. OKAY. ONE MORE, ONE MORE. YEAH. THERE, THERE.

THERE'S THE CROWN ROYAL. SEE YOU HAVE IT BROKE OUT.

DIFFERENT FLAVORS. YEAH. SO YOU YOU DO HAVE IT BROKE OUT.

DIFFERENT FLAVORS. YEAH. BUT WHY WASN'T A MAPLE IN THERE? I MEAN, WE'RE AND WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST GOING TO THIS ONE BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE WANT.

SO WHY WASN'T THE MAPLE IN THERE? AND IF YOU SAY IT'S BEEN DISCONTINUED.

YEAH OKAY. THAT'S FINE. BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT LIST, WHICH IS YOUR STARTING POINT.

SOMETHING OR OTHER. SOMETHING TOGETHER OR SOMETHING BECAUSE.

I THINK THAT QUESTION SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO SONNY BECAUSE SONNY DID THE LIST.

WELL, HE'S RIGHT HERE. YEAH, HE'S RIGHT HERE.

YEAH, IT'S I'M ADDRESSING IT TO ALL THREE. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL SPEAKING.

SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHERE I KEEP GOING BACK TO.

YOUR STARTING POINT. SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT RIGHT THERE.

CORRECT? YES. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HAVE TO AS A STARTING POINT.

SO I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERN WAS ABOUT THE BULK TRANSFER AND EVERYTHING AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR HEARING HERE WAS ABOUT THE BULK TRANSFER.

WE'RE NOT GOING BACK. WE'RE STARTING HE'S STARTING WITH THAT RIGHT THERE AS IS BASIS.

AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'RE GOING FORWARD. WE WEREN'T GOING BACK ON ANY RECORDS PRIOR TO THAT.

IF I AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY, AND THAT'S WHY I GAVE HIM THE THREE ADDITIONAL DATES TO BRING ME THAT INFORMATION, WHICH WAS NOT BROUGHT TO ME. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY.

WE'RE USING THAT AS OUR BASIS AS OUR STARTING POINT.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S COMPARING ALL THOSE ITEMS TO.

THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM HERE. THEY'RE NOT ON THAT LIST AND THEY DON'T HAVE RECORD FOR THEM, IS WHAT I'M. TRYING TO SIMPLIFY HERE. IT WAS NOT PROVIDED TO ME ON THOSE THREE DATES.

I'M. YOU TELL ME. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. BECAUSE.

WHY NOT? WHY NOT? ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS AT THE BEGINNING WAS ABOUT THE WHETHER HE WHETHER HE WAS DIVING INTO THE PRIOR OWNERSHIPS.

WELL, WHAT HE'S DIVING INTO IS THE INVENTORY LIST THAT THEY GIVE TO START THE START OF THIS BUSINESS.

NOT THE NOT THE PRIOR BUSINESS TO START OR START THIS BUSINESS, BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT ALL THOSE ITEMS FROM THE OWNER.

SO I THINK WHERE WE'RE GOING FORWARD IS THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVE THOSE ITEMS WEREN'T ON THAT LIST.

THEY WERE IN THE STORE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE RECEIPTS WHERE THEY BOUGHT THEM. AND I KNOW YOU, YOU SAY THAT YOU FOUND SOME SENSE THEN, BUT I'M SAYING AT THAT POINT THAT'S WHERE HIS CHARGES ARE COMING FROM.

CORRECT? AM I AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY? I'M CONFUSED. HOW ARE YOU? BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING FROM THAT LIST FORWARD, GUESS WHAT DOES ANYTHING PRIOR TO THAT HAVE TO DO? IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT WAS SAYING AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT HE WAS INTO THE BULK TRANSFER AND EVERYTHING, OR IN, YOU KNOW, HE AND HE DID IT INCORRECTLY, BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE HE DID BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING PRIOR.

HE WENT FROM THAT LIST, WHICH WAS PROVIDED FOR THE BULK TRANSFER, WHICH IS BASICALLY SAYING TO THE STATE, THIS IS WHAT OUR STORES GOT AN INVENTORY RIGHT GOING FORWARD.

WE SHOULD HAVE RECORDS FOR ANYTHING. THAT'S THIS STARTS THE RECORD.

WE SHOULD HAVE RECEIPTS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S BOUGHT OR SOLD AFTER THAT.

CORRECT. SO THERE SHOULD BE RECEIPTS FOR ANYTHING.

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE RECEIPTS WHERE YOU'VE BOUGHT AND SOLD IT FROM FEBRUARY TO NOVEMBER, IT SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST, AM I CORRECT? AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY.

THEY HAVE RECEIPTS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE RECEIPTS FROM FEBRUARY FROM THE BULK TRANSFER TO NOVEMBER.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE RECEIPTS FOR ANYTHING, IT SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST.

AND IF IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

OKAY, NOW I KNOW YOU FOUND I KNOW YOU FOUND RECEIPTS SINCE THEN, BUT I'M SAYING FOR THE DAY THAT HE WENT AND HE DID HIS INSPECTIONS AND HE MADE HIS HE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. CORRECT. I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY.

SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. I THINK WE ARE.

OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE A HARD.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY. IT'S A PRETTY IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY.

ALMOST. MR. CHAIR, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LOOK FOR, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE TOTALITY OF EVERYTHING.

BUT ALSO, WHEN I ASK FOR RECEIPTS OF SALES, I GOT NO RECEIPTS OF SALES.

NOTHING LISTED AS SOLD, WHAT WAS SOLD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND I DID SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR THAT AS WELL, SINCE THEY ACQUIRED OWNERSHIP.

WHEN, WHEN I DID THE FIRST INSPECTION AND I SAID, BRING EVERYTHING TO ME, I SAID, BRING ME BULK TRANSFER, BRING ME THE INVOICES. BRING ME SALES RECEIPTS TO SHOW WHAT HAS GONE, WHAT HAS COME IN THE BUSINESS,

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SO THIS IS BASICALLY POINT ZERO. AND THEN ANYTHING BOUGHT AFTER THAT WOULD BE WE WOULD HAVE RECEIPTS FOR.

YES. AND YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIPTS OF SALE. YES.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. POINT OF SALE. AND I HAVE EVERYTHING INVENTORIED.

CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE ITEMS INVENTORY.

MAHESH. YEAH. CAN I ASK. NO, NO, WE'LL CALL HIM AS WITNESS.

WE'LL HAVE TO CALL HIM UP AS A WITNESS. AND I HAVE TO.

IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. I CAN DO THAT. HE CAN GET SOME OF OUR VIEWERS THAT.

LIKE WHAT? THE PARTICULAR ITEM. BUT LIKE, YOU SOLD LIQUOR OR BEER? LIKE THAT'S ALL IT SAYS. IS LIQUOR ON ON THE RECEIPT.

YEAH. OKAY. IT'S A 10,000. IT BROKE OUT AS TO $10,500 LIQUOR.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE CALLED OKAY.

BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE, THE THAT'S THE MEAT AND TATERS OF THIS IS THAT'S YOUR INVENTORY GOING FORWARD.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THERE SHOULD HAVE HAVE RECEIPTS OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN BOUGHT AND SOLD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S BEEN PURCHASED. SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THAT LIST OR ON RECEIPTS THAT YOU PROVIDED, WHERE DID IT COME FROM? WHERE DID IT APPEAR? RIGHT. BECAUSE ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IT JUST IT APPEARED SOMEHOW OR DISAPPEARED.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE SOLD AND WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? RIGHT. IT COULD. WELL, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T COUNT WHAT YOU DON'T SEE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN FROM OTHER STORES. IT COULD. IT COULD BE FROM ANYTHING. I MEAN, HE MUST LOST THE INVOICES OR SOMETHING WHILE WE DID THE RENOVATION, BUT WE ARE SURE ABOUT ONE THING.

THAT WE DID NOT HAVE IT FROM ANY OTHER STORE OR ANY OTHER STATE OR ANYTHING.

YEAH. LET ME SEE. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. DID ANY OF THE THREE OF YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE INSPECTOR ABOUT THE RECORDS? YEAH, I THINK HE DID. WERE ANY OF THE THREE OF YOU ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE LINE THAT MR. SCHMIDT CALLED? NO, NO. GREG, WERE YOU ON THE OTHER END OF THE PHONE LINE? YEAH. SO, OKAY, SO YOU NEVER HEARD FROM THE INSPECTOR? BRING ALL THESE RECORDS IN. DID YOU HEAR FROM THE INSPECTOR WHAT HE REQUESTED? I WASN'T HERE, I WAS IN INDIA. YES. OKAY. BUT ANY OF THE THREE OF THEM? ALL RIGHT. I THINK I MAY BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT BY CALLING A WITNESS.

OKAY. OKAY. MAHESH, YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD? HE'S GOT TO COME FORWARD. I GOT TO DO THE OATH. YEAH, YOU GOT TO DO THE OATH. PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU HEREBY SOLEMNLY DECLARE AND AFFIRM, UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY, THAT THE STATEMENT YOU MAKE AND THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. OKAY.

632. 19709. THANK YOU. YOU MAY BE SEATED. OKAY.

NOW, MAHESH, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE RECORDS IN THE STORE? OKAY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. OKAY. HE WENT TO INDIA.

YEAH. ANYONE INDIA. SECOND DAY. WE HAVE, LIKE, ALL YOUR SYSTEM.

ALL WHAT SYSTEM DO YOU HAVE ANY THAT THIS IS LIKE EVERY SINGLE MENU.

OKAY, HERE WE ARE. ALCOHOL. ALCOHOL, RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REPORT WHOLE SYSTEM.

I HAVE NOT ANY IDEA. ATTENDING MAY AND JUNE. I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE YOUR SYSTEM.

WE HAVE EVERYTHING SCANNING AND EVERYTHING. BUT STILL I CANNOT PUT EVERYTHING ON SYSTEM.

WHY? WE HAVE READ THE WHOLE STORY. OKAY. THE NEW SPECTER COMING.

JUST BE FOR LIKE ONE WEEK SOMETHING. EVERYTHING IS UNDER THE NEW RIJINO IS UNDER AFTER I JUST ALL BOXES.

THAT'S MY GUY. SPANISH GUY HERE. AND SPANISH GUY.

JUST PUT ALL BOXES AND OFFICE OVER THERE AND EVERYTHING, OKAY? HE CLOSED THE DOOR AND EVERYTHING, AND I'M JUST LIKE, I JUST PULL OUT ONE STEP INSIDE TO FRONT.

WE HAVE, LIKE, 20 FOOT. ALMOST LIKE A SALARY, RIGHT? NEW SALARY. AND WE HAVE 20 FOOT NEW CONTRACT? OKAY. I FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD SELL EVERYTHING.

OKAY. AND IT'S LIKE. IT'S COMPLETE FICTION. AND HE ASKED ME FOR, LIKE, A.

OKAY. YOU HAVE, LIKE, A LESSON. LET ME INTERRUPT YOU.

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OKAY. FACE TO FACE. NO, NO, JUST CALL ME. CALL.

ME. CALL ME, CALL ME DIRECTLY. I SPEAK TO INSPECTOR.

OKAY, INSPECTOR. SAY WHATEVER YOU HAVE. RIGHT.

YOU HAVE ALCOHOL IN HERE. EQUATE TO SOME OTHER STORE.

I SAID LOOK, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING. WHAT OTHER STORE? THAT'S MY JOB. AND HE SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR SOMETHING.

I SAID, LOOK, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, OKAY? ARE YOU NOT? TRUST ME? DID YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE ALARM? NO PROBLEM, I DON'T MIND. I JUST ARGUE FOR HIM, YOU KNOW? I'M JUST GOING TO PRESS, OKAY? AND AFTER I ARGUE AND I SAY, OKAY, LET ME.

YOU BRING TO ME, LIKE, WHATEVER YOU'RE SELLING, PLEASE.

AND WHATEVER YOU HAVE INVOICE AND WHATEVER YOU RECEIPT.

OKAY. AND I TELL HIM I HAVE LIKE MAY TO JUNE.

WE HAVE LIKE RENT OR OTHER BEFORE WE HAVE OLD SYSTEM.

WE HAVE NO LIKE OKAY I PRINT OUT ALL THIS ITEM AND EVERYTHING AND I BRING TO HIM OFFICE.

I GO TO MYSELF OKAY. NOT GO TO PARAGON. PARAGON METHODOLOGY OKAY.

AFTER HE JUST LIKE COME AGAIN AND SAY LIKE THIS ITEM YOU HAVE NOT LISTENED.

THIS ONE, THIS ITEM. LISTEN. THIS ONE, I SAY LOOK AND AFTER I CALL TO SUN AND THE SUN IS JUST LIKE A FLAVOR JIM BEAM FLAVOR AND A JIM BEAM REGULAR, HE JUST WRITE DOWN AND ONLY AFTER RIGHT DOWN A PATH.

OKAY. SO JUST LIKE OKAY, TWO BARROLL LIKE FLAVOR TWO BAR FOR A REGULAR TWO BAR.

AND HE WRITE DOWN ONE NUMBER FOR ONLY THE SLIDE AND HE PULL OUT AFTER EACH SECOND TIME COMING.

SECOND TIME HE SAID OKAY, NO PROBLEM. WHATEVER.

YOU HAVE RULES LIKE YOU PULL UP TO THE SPOT. I DON'T MIND, I COME TO OVER THERE AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

OKAY. AND HE WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING. SOME STUFF WE HAVE LIKE A BLOOD TRANSFER CERTIFICATE FOR OVER THERE. WE HAVE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. AND STILL HE PULL OUT SOME CLEVER LARA.

HE PLOWED IT. RIGHT? OR CLEVER? HE JUST NOT WRITE DOWN AND SEPARATELY.

HE NOT ANSWER TO ANY APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY HE WRITE DOWN AN IPHONE AND I WRITE DOWN.

JIM BEAM AND BARROLL OR NOT SEPARATELY. LIKE OR JUST LIKE HONEY.

AND HE SAID, OH, THIS IS RULES AND REGULATIONS.

I SAID, OKAY, NO PROBLEM. CAN I DO FOR YOU WHATEVER YOU HAVE SOME RULES, REGULATION, JUST PULL UP AND PULL OUT.

SOME OF THEM. OKAY. AND THIS TIME, SAME TIME.

THAT'S WHY I'M NOT HIDING ANYTHING. BECAUSE MEXICAN GUY OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN DELAWARE.

OKAY? AND WHEN HE REMOVED THE WHOLE STUFF. SO SOME MISSING, LIKE, INVOICE TO ACTUALLY WHOLE INVOICE.

PERSONALLY, I'M NOT BUYING ANYTHING OUTSIDE. I'M NOT BUYING ANYTHING OUTSIDE.

WHAT? I COULD BE HERE IN NO TIME. SECOND THING, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, OKAY? WHEN YOU BUY BEFORE. THAT'S WHY I'M NOT BUYING ANY ALCOHOL.

BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A I HAVE A SENSE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG TO PROCESS.

RIGHT. AND I INVITE YOU THEN, LIKE, MOVING TO MY STUFF.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT? I READ THIS, LIKE, WE HAVE PROVED I'M NOTHING WRONG.

I'M NOTHING. AND LET HIM GO. OKAY, SO I JUST RESPECT TO EVERYBODY.

AND I REQUEST TO EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS MY JOB.

I AM LIKE ALMOST LIKE 2011 ALCOHOL BUSINESS. NOT RIGHT NOW.

AND WE HAVE THE BUSINESS TO ACTUALLY AND EVERYTHING MUST START RIGHT THERE.

AND LICENSING LIKE ALMOST 2021 RIGHT NOW. RIGHT.

SO I REQUEST TO ALL BOARD MEMBER AND EVERYBODY I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING WRONG, SO PLEASE GIVE ME HELP, OKAY. WERE YOU THERE, MAHESH, WHEN ALL THESE LISTS WERE MADE FROM THE INSPECTOR? WERE YOU THERE WHEN HE WAS GOING THROUGH THE.

I THINK ALL OF THIS. YOU WHAT? WHAT WERE YOU THERE PERSONALLY PRESENT? WERE YOU THERE? NO. WERE YOU AT THE STORE DELI? WHEN ANY OF THESE RECORDS. THESE LISTINGS WERE DONE? YEAH. WERE YOU THERE PERSONALLY? WERE YOU THERE PERSONALLY?

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IN HERE. SO YOU WERE THE ONE TALKING ON THE PHONE? YES. TO THE INSPECTOR? YES. OKAY. BUT HE JUST PUSHED ME TOO MUCH.

HE SAID IF I COME THROUGH THE DOOR, THEN SOMETHING LIKE I SAID.

OKAY, NO PROBLEM. I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING. I MADE IT, NO PROBLEM.

OKAY. AND YOU CAN'T PUSH THROUGH ANYBODY WITHOUT PROOF.

THAT'S MY POINT. OKAY. YOU CAN, LIKE, TALK TO SOMEBODY OR STUFF.

THEN THEY'LL HAVE YOU BRING THE STUFF HERE. YOU.

CAN IF YOU HAVE ANY PROOF TO ME, THAT'S MY HELP.

PLEASE GIVE ME HELP. WHO? WHO PULLED OUT THE RECEIPTS THAT THE INSPECTOR GOT? WHO? WHO GAVE THE INFORMATION? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I JUST BRING TO YOUR OFFICE. AND YOU BROUGHT IT TO THE OFFICE.

OKAY. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT INFORMATION FROM? THIS ONE? YEAH. YOUR INFORMATION THAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE OFFICE.

WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM? YOU'LL SEE SOME OF YOU HAVE WHATEVER.

WHATEVER. HAVE INVOICE AND WHATEVER. JUST LIKE TRANSFER CERTIFICATE.

THAT'S IT. IN THE STORE? YES. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM.

NO. YOU DON'T. OKAY. ALL I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS.

WHERE? ALL THE INVOICES, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, KEPT ON THE PREMISES OF THE STORE.

TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? YEAH, I KNOW. AND YOU WEREN'T THERE WHEN HE INSPECTED INVOICES.

THIS FIRST ONE IS, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE AN INVOICE AND EVERYTHING I SAY, LOOK, OKAY, WHATEVER WE HAVE, I WILL BRING IT OVER. I BRING OVER THERE. AND AFTER HE COMES TO ADHERE TO THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS, THIS FORM OF BLOOD TRANSFER, I CAN DO AN INVOICE.

OKAY. NO PROBLEM. AND HERE'S SOME ITEM HERE. I NEED SOME TIME TO, LIKE, PLAY WITH AND EVERYTHING.

AND I SAID, LOOK, THIS IS IN. AND I CALL YOU AFTER.

AND AFTER I JUST EXPLAINED TO HIM AND HE SAID NO OKAY.

THAT'S FINE. SO MY 375 HERE, RIGHT HERE AND HERE AND AND ONCE WE HAVE YOU ROUND THAT BLOCK. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. YOU'RE ALL DONE BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, WE JUST KEEP REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.

WHAT WE'RE DOING? YEAH. YEAH. I JUST THINK MAYBE WE'RE ON COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AND WE'RE ON TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE ARE DEALING WITH THAT POINT FORWARD.

IT WAS NOT THAT LIST. IT WAS. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BULK TRANSFER.

YES. BULK TRANSFER PERMIT. IT'S RIGHT THERE. FORWARD.

YES. OKAY. AND. OOPS. GIVE ME THAT. BULK TRANSFER PERMIT WAS DONE.

THE LISTING INVENTORY WAS DONE BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER.

AND THEY SUBMITTED IT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I'M JUST SAYING HE MIGHT HAVE DONE IT, BUT THEY SUBMITTED IT.

CAN YOU PULL UP THE APPLICATION WITH THE SIGNATURE PART OF IT? AND MAYBE THAT'LL EXPLAIN THE SUBMITTAL. GENEVA.

THE BULK TRANSFER RIGHT THERE. NO, I WAS JUST.

WHO WAS THE APPLICANT OR WHO SIGNED IT? THAT WAY THE BOARD CAN SEE THE DOCUMENT.

MR.. SUNIL. GREENSBORO. WHO SIGNED THE SIGNATURE? RIGHT HERE. DOWN THERE? YEAH, THAT'S.

THAT'S SONNY PATEL, AND HE'S BEEN LICENSEE. THAT'S MY SAYING. IT WAS. THAT'S WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE STATE WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE THAT THAT WAS THE INVENTORY.

YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT THEY ALL AGREE ON THAT.

BUT THEY WEREN'T SWEARING TO IT. YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T CHECKING THE ACCURACY.

THEY DID NOT HAVE TO CHECK THE ACCURACY OF THAT LIST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REPORTING IT.

THAT IS SONNY REPORTING IT. SONNY THAT SIGNED IT.

IT'S SONNY THAT DID THE INVENTORY. AND HE DID THAT AS PART OF HIS PREVIOUS BUSINESS.

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AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE AN INVENTORY OF WHAT'S IN THE STORE? NO. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I DON'T THINK THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE AN INVENTORY OF WHAT'S IN THEIR STORE.

WHEN THEY START OPERATING. YES. OKAY. I THOUGHT THEY STARTED IN MARCH THE 1ST 2025.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU, YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE BASING YOUR INVENTORY OFF OF THAT OF WHAT YOU SUBMITTED.

CORRECT. OR WHAT SONNY SUBMITTED. HOW'S THAT? YOU'RE BASING YOUR INVENTORY OFF OF WHAT SONNY SUBMITTED.

SO THAT'S YOUR STARTING POINT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

HE'S SAYING YES. SO ANYTHING THAT WAS BOUGHT AFTER THAT, THERE SHOULD BE RECEIPTS FOR.

RIGHT. BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF THERE'S NO RECEIPT FOR IT BEING PURCHASED, IT SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST.

OKAY. AND IF IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST AND THERE'S NO RECEIPT, IT'S PROBABLY IN THAT BACK CORNER, RIGHT? CORRECT. I'M TAKING A GUESS. I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

OKAY. HOWEVER. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS THE INSPECTOR WAS INSPECTING EVERY INVENTORY.

WAS INSPECTING EVERY INVOICE FROM THAT DATE TO SEE IF THAT PRODUCT WAS EITHER THERE ON THE PREMISES OR WAS SOLD AS PART OF THE BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT HE'S THERE FOR.

OKAY, SO ANY THING THAT DOESN'T APPEAR ON THEIR INVOICES, ANYTHING THAT WASN'T ON THAT LIST IS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, AND THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN AGREE WITH THAT. I CAN'T AGREE.

IT MIGHT BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

IF IT'S IF IT'S NOT ON THE. YEAH. IF IT'S NOT ON THE BULK SALES PERMIT AND IT'S NOT IN A PURCHASE PERMIT AND IT'S ON THEIR PREMISES THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR RESPONSIBLE LICENSING WHERE THEY GOT IT FROM.

RIGHT? THE WELL, THAT'S WHERE THE PROOF. OKAY.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE PROOF WOULD BE ON THEM TO PROVE WHERE IT COME FROM.

OKAY. WELL IF THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE BOARD OKAY THEN IT'S ON THE RECORD.

SO I THINK IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH AND I DISAGREE WITH IT AND I CAN HANDLE THAT THROUGH THE NEXT PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO DELIBERATIONS.

YEAH. YES, SURE. I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE IS THERE'S NO INTENT ON THE PART OF ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING WRONG. WAIT. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DISPUTING THAT.

WE'RE NOT. WE DON'T WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY INTENDED TO DO ANYTHING WRONG.

WE JUST. WE JUST BELIEVE. AND AND I DON'T REALLY THINK WE SHOULD SAY THIS AT THIS POINT, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT MISTAKES WERE MADE, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS STILL THEIRS TO PROVE THAT IT WAS PURCHASED AND SHOULD BE ON PREMISE.

YEAH, LIKE WHAT HE SAID, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY POINTING THE FINGER SAYING THAT. WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE AND MISTAKES WERE MADE.

AND THE PROOF IS THE PROOF IS WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

OF THE MISTAKES. CORRECT? I THINK YOU'RE ASKING ME A QUESTION.

I WOULD SAY YES, YOU ARE CORRECT ON THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVE IT.

IN MY OPINION, ANYTHING PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THAT LIST AND THAT LIST FORWARD, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING PRIOR TO THAT BEING CHARGED WITH FRAUD.

THE WHOLE STUFF IS. JUST A POINT OF ORDER. BEFORE YOU GO INTO DELIBERATION, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE EXHIBITS HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE RECORD AND ARE MADE PART OF THE RECORD? THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY GENEVA AND THE INSPECTOR HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE RECORD AND ARE PART OF THE RECORD.

DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? IT WOULD MAKE IT CLEANER.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF ALLUSIONS TO THE NEXT STEP, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALL OF THE RECORDS IN THE.

AND YOUR AND THE OBJECTIONS HAVE BEEN NOTED. I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEP. SAY THAT AGAIN. MR. THORNTON HAS MADE OBJECTIONS TO SOME OF THE EXHIBITS WHICH HAVE BEEN NOTED.

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I MOVE TO. ACCEPT ALL EXHIBITS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE US INTO EVIDENCE.

I SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ACCEPT ALL EXHIBITS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US INTO EVIDENCE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.

SO I RECOMMEND WE GO INTO DELIBERATION AND TO.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SOMEWHAT PEDANTIC. THE ONLY EXHIBITS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD THAT ARE IN THE RECORD ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ATTACHED TO THE INSPECTOR'S REPORT AND ARE NUMBERED. AND PART OF THE PACKET THAT WAS SUBMITTED, JUST TO CLARIFY.

17. YES. 17. YES. EXHIBITS. WHICH DO WE HAVE ANY ACTUAL EXHIBIT LIST? YES. YEAH. THEY'RE ALL NUMBERED. FROM ONE OF 17 ON DOWN TO 17 OF 17. OKAY, SO THEY ARE ALL PROPERLY NUMBERED AND JUST IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW WHAT RECORD YOU'RE DEALING WITH WHEN YOU GET TO THE NEXT.

CORRECT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT WHAT'S IN THE RECORD FOR PICTURES? BECAUSE SOME RECEIPTS ARE STACKED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER AND YOU CAN'T TELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LISTING IS AND STUFF ON THESE RECORDS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL RECORDS. WE HAVE PICTURES.

I TOOK PICTURES OF INDIVIDUAL. I TOOK A PICTURE OF THE TOTALITY.

I BROKE IT DOWN FROM LIQUOR TO BEER, AND THEN I BROKE IT DOWN FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL.

SO I BELIEVE, MR. THORNTON, THE INVENTORY OF ALCOHOL THAT WAS COLLECTED WAS ALL LIQUOR, DISTILLED SPIRITS.

AND THOSE INDIVIDUAL INVOICES ARE IN THERE SEPARATELY, AS WELL AS STAPLED TOGETHER IN A PILE.

THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF EACH. LITTLE TINY WHITE ONES ARE JUST BEER. I TOOK A PICTURE OF THEM JUST SO IT'S DOCUMENTED.

BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LIQUOR. THOSE DISTRIBUTORS DO NOT SELL LIQUOR.

NO BEER WAS TAKEN? NO. SO DOES THAT SATISFY ME? YES. YOU'RE THE MAN. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING MORE BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION? BECAUSE ONCE WE GO INTO DELIBERATION, WE CAN'T HEAR ANY MORE TESTIMONY OR ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY.

SO EVERYBODY GOOD? LET ME ASK MY CLIENTS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY QUESTION.

HAVE YOU SAID EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY TO TO THE BOARD MEMBERS? YES. OKAY. BUT I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THIS THING.

OKAY. WELL, THIS IS YOUR TIME TO EXPRESS YOUR CONFUSION.

AND I THINK THAT'S LISTED ON A SEPARATE. BUT I DON'T SEE IT I THINK SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE ON THAT LIST WAS GIVEN TO ME BY YOUR CLIENTS. THAT WAS LIFTED.

AND THEN I ALSO I ALSO GOT IT FROM THE STATE OF MARYLAND ATCC.

SO THEY WERE BOTH. I DON'T KNOW. SO I BECAUSE.

I WAS, I WAS THINKING OF THAT AS WE WENT ON, BECAUSE I KNEW YOU GUYS HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU GOT PAID OFF OF WHAT WAS ON THAT LIST.

YEAH. SO IF ALL THAT ITEMS IN THE BACK IS MISSING.

YEAH, THAT'S MONEY YOU LEFT ON THE TABLE SOMEHOW.

THE LIST. SO. BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT.

NO. I DIDN'T KEEP A COPY FOR MYSELF. I JUST YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE MUST BE. WE FORGOT TO WROTE IT DOWN OR HE FORGOT OR HE DID IT IN A SPEED UP.

YEAH, I HAD TO SUBMIT IT AND DROP IT OR SOMETHING, BUT WE ARE JUST GOING TO BE.

WE ARE SURE ABOUT ONE THING. WE DIDN'T BRING ANY ALCOHOL FROM ANY OTHER STORE OR ANY OTHER LOCATION.

NOTHING. AND YEAH, WE MIGHT MADE A MISTAKE ABOUT.

YEAH. WHEN WE DID THE RENOVATION WE LOST SOME OF INVOICES OR SOMETHING.

WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WRONG. SO THAT'S ALL I WANT OKAY.

SO ARE WE IN THE DELIBERATION AT THIS POINT? SO CHARGE ONE.

CHARGE ONE. DELIBERATE ON THE ALLEGED VIOLATION.

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KEEP COMPLETE AND ACCURATE RECORDS OF ALL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PURCHASED, SOLD OR MANUFACTURED.

RECTIFIED. BLENDED. IMPROVED. BREWED. FERMENTED.

DISTILLED. PRODUCED. STORED. WAREHOUSE. WITHDRAWN FROM STORAGE AND PORTER TRANSFER RECORDS.

PRESERVATION ONE. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN PARAGRAPH TWO OF THIS SUBSECTION, EACH LICENSE HOLDER SHALL KEEP RECORDS AT THE LOCATION DESIGNATED IN THE LICENSE. THE RECORDS SHALL BE PRESERVED FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN A MANNER THAT ENSURES.

PERMANENCY. ENSURES. WHAT'S YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT? BASICALLY, IS THERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RECORDS? I THINK THERE'S A VIOLATION. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RECORDS OF WHATEVER'S IN THE STORE.

IF IT'S IN THE STORE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE RECORDS OF IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED AND THE TESTIMONIES.

AND WHAT'S IN BACK OF THAT RING? I THINK THEY VIOLATED THAT PARTICULAR THOSE TWO CODES FOR OH EIGHT A1, B1, B3 OF THE ALCOHOL, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MIKE? I AGREE. THE PART THAT HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH.

BUT THE PART OF THIS THAT JUST KEEPS KIND OF GETTING OVERLOOKED AND AND I'VE, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, IS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP RECORDS FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.

SO THAT WOULD PUT US BACK. WE HAVE WE HAVE A TRANSFER PAPERWORK, RECEIPTS.

WE HAVE RECEIPTS. NOT ONLY DOES THIS STEM FROM ONE INSPECTION? THE INSPECTOR WENT BACK TWO MORE TIMES TO TRY TO WORK THIS OUT AND WORK WITH THEM.

TO TO FIND RECORDS. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WEREN'T FOUND.

AND WHY THEY WEREN'T FOUND ISN'T WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DELIBERATE ON.

WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DELIBERATE ON WAS THE RECORDS PRESENTED TO THE INSPECTOR? ONE OF THOSE THREE TIMES. AND WHAT WE ARE FINDING IS WITH THE EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US, WE DO NOT HAVE RECORDS FOR EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON THE LOCATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, IS ALCOHOL THAT WAS ON THE LOCATION DOES NOT HAVE RECORDS FOR CORRECT.

AND GIVEN THE YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE THE CONCERN WAS GOING BACK ON THE OLD OWNERS, THE NEW OWNERS AND THAT AND EVERYTHING, EVEN EVEN GOING BACK TO TWO YEARS. YOU ARE CORRECT.

I'M GIVING THEM THE LEEWAY BY SAYING, ALL RIGHT, OUR STARTING POINT IS THIS IS WHAT YOU SUBMITTED TO THE STATE.

THAT'S BASICALLY AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE, GIVING THEM THE LEEWAY, NOT EVEN ASKING TO GO BACK. WE'RE NOT EVEN ASKING.

WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, STARTING POINT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD IN STOCK ON THIS DAY.

I KEEP GOING BACK TO KEEP COMPLETE AND ACCURATE RECORDS OF ALL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES PURCHASED, SOLD, MANUFACTURED. I JUST I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ACCURATE AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE COMPLETE BASED ON THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN HERE. SO THAT'S WHY I GO BACK AND FEEL THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION.

YEAH, I AGREE, I AGREE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AND THE FACTS THAT WE FIND ARE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RECEIPTS PRESENTED TO US. WE CAN GO BY ONLY THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PUT IN FRONT OF US.

THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO GO BY. SO I DO WANT A MOTION OR WE'RE IN DELIBERATION. YEAH. DO WE GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION NOW? I WOULD ADDRESS EACH OF THE VIOLENT VIOLATIONS.

YES. AND MAKE THE MOTIONS? YES. AND I WOULD MOTION EACH OF THE VIOLATIONS SEPARATELY.

OKAY. CORRECT. YEAH. WHEN WE DO GET TO THAT POINT, MOTION THEM SEPARATELY.

OKAY. SO CHARGE NUMBER TWO FOR DISCUSSION IS THE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE REGULATION 2.36.

SPECIFICALLY, ALL LICENSE HOLDERS SHALL MAINTAIN ACCURATE RECORDS OF THEIR TRANSACTIONS IN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.

THESE RECORDS MUST KEEP ON MUST BE KEPT ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE SOLD FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND MADE AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION OF THE

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AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE PURCHASE OF THE BUSINESS, THEY DIDN'T THEY THEY WERE NOT.

NOW THEY HAVE RECTIFIED THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE.

WE ARE AT THE POINT OF HERE AND NOW. AND WHAT WE, WE WE DO NOT HAVE RECORDS OF.

I AGREE. AND THIS, THIS THIS IS THE CAROLINE COUNTY LICENSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION OF OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.

NUMBER 2.36 I FEEL THE SAME WAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER RECORDS OF WHAT THEY'VE SOLD. I JUST I THINK WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT IN OUR TESTIMONY THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN PROPER RECORDS OF SALES. WE IT WAS ALL JUST LUMPED INTO ONE BULK THING THAT SAID LIQUOR SALES, BEER SALES.

WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BEER SALES. WE'RE HERE ONLY HERE BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE. BUT IT'S STILL ABOUT THE REGULATION OF 2.36.

WE DO NOT HAVE PROPER DOCUMENTATION SHOWING SALES.

CORRECT. AGREED. ALL RIGHT. CHARGE NUMBER THREE, THE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE REGULATION NUMBER 2.08. A SPECIFICALLY, NO LICENSEE OR THEIR EMPLOYEE SHALL HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION AT ANY PLACE ON THE PREMISE, ON THE LICENSE PREMISE, ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WHICH THEIR LICENSE DOES NOT PERMIT THE LICENSEE TO SELL, NO LICENSEE OR THEIR EMPLOYEE SHALL KEEP UPON THE LICENSE PREMISE ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES EXCEPT THOSE SO PURCHASED.

THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, WHICH WE CAN'T PROVE THAT THAT WE CAN'T PROVE WHERE THEY COME FROM.

THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT ON THERE. THEY'RE NOT ON THEIR RECEIPTS.

THEY'RE NOT ON THEIR INVENTORY. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THERE.

YEAH. AT THE TIME OF THE THREE INSPECTIONS, WE HAVE NO PROOF WHERE THE ALCOHOL CAME FROM.

NOT SAYING WHERE THAT IT DID ANYTHING ELSE. WE JUST CAN'T PROVE AT THE TIME OF THE THREE SEPARATE INSPECTIONS WHERE THE ALCOHOL CAME FROM.

SO LEGALLY IT SHOULD NOT BE ON PREMISE TO SELL.

I AGREE. SO AND THAT'S ON ALLEGATION. THAT WAS ON THREE CHARGE NUMBER THREE.

THE RULE AND REGULATION 2.08 A. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON.

CHARGE NUMBER FOUR ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.34.

A SPECIFICALLY, NO RETAIL DEALER IS PERMITTED TO PURCHASE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES EXCEPT FROM A DULY LICENSED MANUFACTURER, WHOLESALER, OR PRIVATE BULK SALE PERMIT HOLDER OR NONRESIDENT WINERY PERMIT HOLDER.

THIS IS SAYING THAT THE ITEMS THAT APPEARED IN THE STORE WERE BOUGHT SOMEWHERE, WERE BROUGHT FROM SOMEWHERE THERE.

WHETHER YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, AS THEIR TESTIMONY, THEY MESSED UP DOING THEIR INVENTORY.

THEY WERE THERE. THEY HAVEN'T BROUGHT THEM IN.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THAT'S WHAT THEIR TESTIMONY IS. BUT THE CHARGE IS THERE BECAUSE THEY'VE APPEARED AND THEY'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY APPEARED FROM. CORRECT? YES. AND I'M NOT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT THEY TOOK IT FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE AND BROUGHT IT IN THERE.

WE HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE TO PROVE WHERE IT CAME FROM.

WE HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE TO PROVE. I'M NOT 100% SOLD ON THAT EITHER.

I'VE UNDERSTOOD THEIR TESTIMONY. I'VE UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT CAN BE A IT CAN BE A, YOU KNOW, CLERICAL ERROR, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT PROVING THAT THEY BROUGHT IT IN THEIR TESTIMONIES, THEY DIDN'T. I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY DID.

I AGREE. I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY NOT BE FOUND IN VIOLATION.

WELL, VIOLATION. YEAH. WE'RE NOT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT JUST DISCUSSING.

WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING. WAS WAS IT ON PREMISE AND CAN WE PROVE WHERE IT CAME FROM?

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SO AND THAT'S ALL IN THE DELIBERATION THAT WE'RE HERE TO ADDRESS IS, IS THE RULE AND REGULATION 2.34 A WAS THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ON THE LICENSED PREMISE? YES. OR INSPECTOR MOORE WOULD NOT HAVE CONFISCATED IT.

CAN WE PROVE WHERE IT CAME FROM? UNFORTUNATELY, NO, NO, WE DON'T.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, I BELIEVE. WHERE WE ARE ON THE FOURTH CHARGE.

THAT'S TRUE, I BELIEVE THAT. OKAY, SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THEM.

NOW WE NEED TO GO BACK AND. DO OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR FINDINGS.

WE'VE WE'VE DISCUSSED THEM AND WE NEED TO. GO THROUGH AND WE'VE WE'VE DISCUSSED OUR FINDINGS OF EVIDENCE.

AND NOW WE NEED TO GO BACK AND DECIDE GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY ON THE FOUR CHARGES AND DO THAT ONE AT A TIME. YOU OKAY WITH THAT, GLENN? YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

SO, CHARGE NUMBER ONE, THE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF STATE 1-408A1, B ONE, AND B THREE OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND.

SPECIFICALLY, A IN GENERAL, A PERSON WHO MANUFACTURES, RECTIFIES, BLENDS, IMPORTS, DISTRIBUTES, TRANSPORTS, STORES, WAREHOUSES, SELLS OR OFFERS FOR SALE ALCOHOL, BEVERAGES, OR WHO DOES? WHO HOLDS A LICENSE TO DO THESE ACTIVITIES? SHALL ONE KEEP COMPLETE AND ACCURATE RECORDS OF ALL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IS PURCHASED.

SOLD. MANUFACTURED. RECTIFIED. BLENDED. IMPROVED.

BREWED. FERMENTED. DISTILLED. PRODUCED. STORED.

WAREHOUSE. WITHDRAWN FROM STORAGE. IMPORTED OR TRANSFERRED.

BE. RECORDS. PRESERVATION NUMBER ONE EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN PARAGRAPH NUMBER TWO OF THIS SUBSECTION, EACH LICENSE HOLDER SHALL KEEP RECORDS AT A LOCATION DESIGNATED IN THE LICENSE NUMBER THREE.

THE RECORDS SHALL BE PRESERVED FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN THE MANNER THAT ENSURES PERMANENCY.

WHAT YOU'RE. WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE. I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GUILTY OF CHARGE NUMBER ONE.

THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION. NOW, COUNSEL, DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE REASONS WHY AGAIN? NO, NO, NO. AND FRANKLY, YOU, BASED ON ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

AND THEN YOU CAN JUST MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. OKAY.

I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE FACTORING IN ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

NOW, IT'S JUST A POINT OF MAKING A MOTION, WHETHER OR NOT BASED ON ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, YOU FIND A VIOLATION OF ONE, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR AND DO EACH ONE OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

OKAY. YOU READY FOR A MOTION? I AM, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FILE FIND THAT THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION OF 1408. A1. B1. B3.

BY TWO OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE AND CANNABIS ARTICLE OF THE ANNOTATED CODE OF MARYLAND.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN BUY THE LIQUOR? YOU COULD ACTUALLY JUST SAY CHARGE ONE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ON.

YOU CAN SAY CHARGE ONE, CHARGE TWO, CHARGE THREE, CHARGE FOUR. THE SECTIONS ARE ALREADY IN THE RECORD.

OKAY. IT'S ALREADY ON RECORD. MAKE YOUR LIFE A LITTLE EASIER.

ABSOLUTELY. I CAN ONLY REPEAT IT SO MANY TIMES.

ANYWAY, I MAKE I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FIND THAT THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION.

CHARGE NUMBER ONE. I SECOND THAT. IT'S BEEN MOVED.

IT'S BEEN MOTION THAT THEY'RE FOUND GUILTY OF CHARGE NUMBER ONE AND SECONDED.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO CARRIED.

CHARGE NUMBER TWO. THE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.36.

SPECIFICALLY, ALL LICENSE HOLDERS SHALL MAINTAIN ACCURATE RECORDS OF THEIR TRANSACTIONS IN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.

THESE RECORDS MUST BE KEPT ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE SOLD FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND MADE AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION BY AUTHORIZATION, AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL AT THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND THE BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS.

I MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION OF CHARGE NUMBER TWO AS GUILTY.

I SECOND THAT THEY'VE I FIND THAT THE THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION OF CHARGE NUMBER TWO SO MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THEY'RE FOUND IN

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AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED. CARRY CHARGE NUMBER THREE.

THE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.08.

A SPECIFICALLY, NO LICENSEE OR THEIR EMPLOYEE SHALL HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION AT ANY PLACE ON THE LICENSE PREMISE ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WHICH THEIR LICENSE DOES NOT PERMIT THE LICENSEE TO SELL. NO LICENSEE OR THEIR EMPLOYEE SHALL KEEP UPON THE LICENSE PREMISE ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES EXCEPT THOSE SO PURCHASED. WHAT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS ONE ALSO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ON CHARGE THREE I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR A GUILTY, MAINLY BASED ON THE LAST SENTENCE OF THIS REGULATION.

NO LICENSEE OR THE EMPLOYEE SHALL KEEP UPON THE LICENSED PREMISES ANY ALCOHOL BEVERAGES EXCEPT THOSE PURCHASED.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S GUILTY, BECAUSE WE CANNOT PROVE IT WAS PURCHASED.

CORRECT. I SECOND THAT MOTION. THE MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE FIND THE LICENSE OWNERS GUILTY AND CHARGE NUMBER THREE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SO CARRIED.

CHARGE NUMBER FOUR, THE ALLEGED VIOLATION OF THE CAROLINE COUNTY BOARD OF LICENSE COMMISSIONERS RULE AND REGULATION NUMBER 2.34.

A SPECIFICALLY, NO RETAIL DEALER IS PERMITTED TO PURCHASE ALCOHOL.

ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES EXCEPT FROM A DULY LICENSED MANUFACTURER, WHOLESALER OR PRIVATE BULK SALE PERMIT HOLDER OR NONRESIDENT WINERY PERMIT HOLDER.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FIND THAT THERE'S BEEN NO VIOLATION IN CHARGE FOR, FOR LACK OF EVIDENCE, DUE TO THE LACK OF, DUE TO LACK OF ANY EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT ALCOHOL WAS BROUGHT INTO THIS ESTABLISHMENT FROM ONE OTHER ESTABLISHMENT. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THEY ARE FOUND NOT GUILTY ON THE CHARGE NUMBER FOUR.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK THROUGH. AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE. DECIDE WHERE WHAT PENALTIES ARE GOING TO BE.

WELL, DON'T WE HAVE A SHEET THAT SAYING THERE'S BEEN NO VIOLENCE? NO THEY HAVEN'T. THEY'VE HAD NO VIOLATIONS SINCE THEY'VE TAKEN OVER THE LICENSE.

NO VIOLATIONS SINCE THEY'VE TAKEN. IT'S BEEN LESS THAN A YEAR.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I AGREE 100% BREEDING LESS THAN A YEAR. WE STILL SHOULD GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR THAT.

I AGREE 100%. SO ON ONE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET BACK TO ONE AGAIN.

WHICH ONE'S THAT ONE? I SHOULD KNOW THEM BY HEART NOW.

OKAY. HERE. WHAT COUNCIL. WHAT IS THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM PENALTY FOR THIS? MAXIMUM PENALTY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS $2,500.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A MINIMUM PENALTY. CAN I ALSO ASK A QUESTION OF YOU? SURE. THESE, THESE THESE ARE ALL THREE SEPARATE CHARGES, BUT THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH SAY THE SAME THING.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. GO AHEAD. SO I KIND OF WOULD LIKE, IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN AGREEANCE, I KNOW WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM ALL SEPARATELY, BUT TO SOMEWHAT LUMP THEM IN SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY GIVE THREE SEPARATE GUILTY CHARGES OR FINES. WE ACTUALLY MAKE ONE FINE FOR ALL THREE.

THAT'S FINE. IT'S TOTALLY AT THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING.

SO BASICALLY I'M SAYING CONCURRENT. THAT WOULD BE A CUMULATIVE FINE.

YOU COULD DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH VIOLATION.

THE MAXIMUM FINE FOR EACH VIOLATION WOULD BE $2,500.

OKAY, I DON'T WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A VIOLATION THAT MERITS A SUSPENSION.

NO, SIR, I DO NOT THINK IT MERITS REVOCATION.

I THINK IT DOES MERIT A FINE. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT NONE OF THIS WAS DONE WITH INTENT TO TRY TO FRAUD ANYTHING OR TO

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HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE'LL NOT SEE THIS, WILL NOT SEE THIS ESTABLISHMENT OR ANY OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS COME IN FOR THIS SAME TYPE OF THING.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY FEELING. BUT I THINK I THINK IT MERITS A FINE.

I DO, I AGREE. I JUST DON'T THINK IT MERITS A FINE IN EXCESS.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE 25. 25. 25? NO.

SO WHAT ARE YOU THINKING NOW FROM ALL.

THESE MAJOR WITH THE RECORD? YEAH, THEY'RE IN THERE.

I THINK I DON'T. I THINK 2500S TOO MUCH. I AGREE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, I THINK $25,000. FINE.

I THINK $1,000 FINE FOR ALL THREE OF THEM COLLECTIVELY IS.

NOW IS FAIR ENOUGH TO. I WANT TO BE SURE I'M HEARING THIS CORRECT.

ARE YOU SAYING IF HE WENT IN THERE, LET'S SAY TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, WE'RE STILL IN DELIBERATION.

YOU CAN'T REALLY, AM I AM I CORRECT? YEAH. I'M SORRY.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SHUT YOU DOWN. ALL RIGHT. I NOW MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL DO IT BEFORE JESSIE SHUTS YOU DOWN ON CHARGE.

NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER. OKAY.

CHARGE! CHARGE! ONE, TWO. IS THAT CORRECT? FOR CHARGE ONE, TWO AND THREE.

WE ISSUE $1,000 FINE. SO A THOUSAND TOTAL OR A THOUSAND EACH.

TOTAL 1000. TOTAL. 1000 TOTAL. I'VE. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I'LL AGREE WITH THAT 100% BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS INTENT OR DELIBERATE.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THEY BE FOUND OR THEY BE CHARGED $1,000 FINE FOR CHARGES NUMBER ONE, TWO AND THREE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NOW, I THINK THERE'S A $50. THERE IS A $50 ADMINISTRATION FEE, AND IT HAS TO BE PAID WITHIN 30 DAYS.

WITHIN 30 DAYS. YES. NOW, TWO BIG THINGS. THERE'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM THERE.

WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT NOW? YEAH, WE CAN WE CAN WE GO IN AND DISCUSS THAT? YEAH. DID YOU SAY DO YOU WANT TO. YEAH. WE HAVEN'T DONE ALL EVERYBODY IN FAVOR OF THAT, HAVE WE.

DID WE? OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IN FAVOR SAY I DID.

YEAH. IMMA SAY IT AGAIN. WE DID IT AGAIN. OKAY, WE DID IT.

SO, LIKE WE DISCUSSED OR YOU BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER.

IF HE'S GOT RECEIPTS. SHOWING ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE RECEIPTS, SHOWING THEY'RE NOT DOESN'T GO BACK. BUT IF HE HAS RECEIPTS, RECEIPTS SHOWING THAT HE DID PURCHASE IT IN THAT TIME FRAME THAT HE FOUND THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANT THEM TO GET IT BACK? IS THAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING? I BELIEVE IF YOU'RE ASKING THAT EARLIER.

THIS IS JUST MY BELIEF. I BELIEVE IF THEY FINALLY GOT EVERYTHING STRAIGHT, THEY FOUND RECORDS.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE ENTITLED TO ME. THEY SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO GET THAT INVENTORY BACK.

IF WE DON'T HAVE PROOF OF IT, THEN NO. MY BIG THING IS, HOW IS IT TRANSPORTED? DOES IT HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED BACK BY THE INSPECTOR, OR CAN THEY LEGALLY TAKE POSSESSION OF IT AND RETURN IT BACK TO SALE? YOU GOT A PICK UP TRUCK? YES, I GOT IT ALL. NO, NO, MARYLAND DOES NOT LICENSE YOU TO TRANSPORT.

THEY. THEY HAVE A LICENSED TRANSPORT. BUT IF IT'S GOING BACK TO THEIR ESTABLISHMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK.

THEY CAN TAKE. OR THEY CAN, AS LONG AS THEY GO DIRECTLY BACK.

I HAVE TO DO MY MATH HOMEWORK WITH THEM. AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO WALK OUT OF HERE IN THE NEXT TEN MINUTES WITH THEIR INVENTORY.

IT'S IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MEET WITH THEM LATER IN THE WEEK OR NEXT WEEK TO ACTUALLY GET THEM THEIR INVENTORY BACK.

I DON'T KNOW. CAN WE MAKE RECEIPT COPIES OF THE RECEIPTS? YEAH, IF YOU GO THROUGH AND SEPARATE. YEAH, IF THEY HAVE IT.

IF THEY HAVE IT, I'LL DO IT TODAY. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. I HAVE SOME BASIC INVOICE, LIKE, SEEM LIKE LIKE LIKE OLD ITEMS. THERE ARE SOME MISSING INVOICE. LIKE, WE DIDN'T FIND SOME OF THESE.

IF YOU HAVE AN INVOICE, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE AN INVOICE THERE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF IF YOU HAVE AN INVOICE,

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IF WE CANNOT PROVE WHERE IT WAS PURCHASED. YOU'RE NOT YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT INVENTORY BACK.

BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF IT'S STILL IN THE STORE AND HE COMES BACK, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HELD BACK IN THIS, THIS SAME SCENARIO. AND HONESTLY, IF YOU COME BACK A SECOND TIME FOR IT, WE PROBABLY WON'T BE AS GENEROUS.

SO SO THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE INVOICES THAT WOULD HAVE PREDATED THE INSPECTION DATES.

AND IT WOULD HAD TO HAVE BEEN FROM FEBRUARY TO NOVEMBER.

JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, SINCE A LOT OF THAT BULK TRANSFER PERMIT WAS WHITE, THIS SINCE THESE ARE INVOICES WILL EXACTLY HAVE TO SAY MARCH 1ST.

JIM BEAM FIRE. JIM BEAM. CORRECT. AND SO WHATEVER MANY OUNCES OF THE CONTAINER IT IS, I AGREE, YES I AGREE. OKAY. I JUST I JUST LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST MINE.

I MEAN, NOBODY HAS TO AGREE WITH ME. I JUST BELIEVE THAT IF WE CAN PROVE THAT THEY DID THAT IT WAS PURCHASED.

WHETHER IT WAS PURCHASED THROUGH NINE DIFFERENT ITEMS, NINE DIFFERENT ITEMS. YEAH, IT WAS LIKE NINE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT HE HAD SAID EARLIER THAT THAT HE HAD RECEIPTS THAT HE HAD FOUND AFTER THE INSPECTION.

CORRECT. CORRECT. AND HOPEFULLY THAT SHOULD BE NINE ITEMS THAT YOU CAN GET SOME MORE LIKE 375.

I FOUND AN INVOICE THAT IS LIKE 4420 BOTTLE. AND HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE PUT ALL THESE RECORDS IN ONE LOCATION.

MAKE SURE ANYBODY WORKING IN THE STORE KNOWS WHERE TO FIND THESE WHEN THEY ARE ASKED FOR.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, PART OF THIS WAS WASN'T BECAUSE THE INSPECTOR CAME IN ONCE.

HE CAME IN THREE TIMES. I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE OUT OF COUNTRY, BUT STILL THERE WAS.

THERE WAS ENOUGH TO ME. THERE WAS ENOUGH ADEQUATE TIME TO FIND IT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS REQUIRED UPON ENTRANCE.

HE REACHED OUT. HE TRIED TO GIVE TIME TO FIND THINGS.

BUT ALSO, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHY WE DID NOT GO WITH MAJOR FINES FOR YOU GUYS.

COULD HAVE BEEN 75. I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH YOU GUYS SINCE YOU STARTED IN BUSINESS.

I FEEL LIKE I CAN SPEAK FOR YOU. THE INTEGRITY OF YOU GUYS, YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN.

I'VE. I'VE WATCHED THINGS HAPPEN IN THE STORE THAT YOU SENT PEOPLE OUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THINGS.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S BEYOND. WE'RE PAST THAT POINT.

WE'RE AT SOME POINT. INSPECTOR MOORE WILL GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME.

IF YOU LEAVE HIM RECEIPTS, HE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU AND LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU CAN COME PICK UP THE INVENTORY THAT WE HAVE RECEIPTS FOR.

YEAH. BEFORE WE MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION, WE DO HAVE THE 30 DAY APPEAL PROCESS, AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS IN THE MIDDLE IN THE EVENT THERE'S AN APPEAL. THIS WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN AFTER THE 30 DAYS FROM TODAY, AFTER THE APPEAL PROCESS OR UNLESS THEY THEY WAIVE THEIR APPEAL.

RIGHT. WE CAN DO IT SOONER THEN THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND YEAH.

SO SO SO IF THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE INVOICES WITH ME TODAY, I CAN MARK WHICH ONES WOULD BE GOING BACK OKAY TO ESCALATE HOW THEY GET BACK HERE AFTER WE'RE FINISHED WITH OUR MEETING. YES. NOT UNTIL.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT TODAY. LIKE I DON'T EITHER.

I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH GOING ON. THIS IS. I MEAN, WE'RE INTO 1:00 HOUR NOW.

WE'RE STILL NOT FINISHED. WE STILL HAVE SOME THINGS TO DO. OTHER.

YEAH. SO BASICALLY, IF YOU APPEAL THIS, IT WILL WAIT TILL AFTER THE APPEAL HEARING.

IF YOU DON'T APPEAL IT, YOU PAY YOUR FINE. AFTER EVERYTHING IS SETTLED, THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET YOUR INVENTORY BACK THAT YOU CAN PROVE CORRECT.

YES. I'M LEAVING IT UP TO MY CLIENTS. YES, THEY PAY THE FINE.

YES. AND THAT MEANS THEY WAVE THE APPEAL. YES, SIR.

CORRECT. YES. THAT'S. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S AUTOMATIC.

YES, SIR. YEAH. THEY'RE ACCEPTING YOUR DECISION.

YES. DO YOU HAVE DO YOU GOT. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO APPEAL WITHIN 30 DAYS OR PRIOR TO THAT TIME? YEAH. HE'S THINKING THAT NOW YOU CAN PAY THE FINE AND WAIVE THE APPEAL.

THEN GO FORWARD WITH THE INVENTORY LIST. WE THINK, WELL, WE GOT IT.

AS SOON AS WE FINISH, WE'RE ALL DONE HERE. WE GOT TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

WE GOT TO YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. WE'RE GOING TO DO A TWO MINUTE RECESS. FIRST I NEED A RECESS.

SO SHOULD WE GO INTO SHOULD WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FIRST OR SHOULD WE GO INTO RECESS.

[Recess/Closed Session]

I SECOND THAT MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? I DON'T CARE.

THANK YOU. TO THE RESTROOM. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO WHO'S MR..

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OKAY. BECAUSE I REMEMBER YOU. OKAY. SO SO OKAY.

SO THIS IS THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN OKAY OKAY OKAY, I GOT IT.

NOW. YOU. ARE PROBABLY. YES. OH. DID YOU WANT IT? YOU CAN HAVE IT I HAVE IT. IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY.

LET ME GET THIS. YEAH. SIGN IT FROM. WHAT? YOU'RE DEALING WITH STAR GAS AND DIESEL.

YOU'RE DEALING WITH HIM? NOT ANY OF THESE. OKAY? HE'S UNDER THE SAME FAMILY. YEAH, IT'S THE SAME FAMILY.

BUT HE'S GAS STAR. GAS AND DIESEL. THESE GUYS ARE STAR LIQUOR.

LIQUOR? YES. CAN YOU CONFUSE ME ANY FURTHER? YEAH, I WAS CONFUSED.

I HAD. THAT'S WHY I COME PERSONALLY AND I PRAY TO HIM TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO PROBLEM.

YOU'LL HEAR FROM ME. OH, YES. YES. YES, SIR. YOU'LL HEAR FROM ME WITH A LETTER ABOUT THE DECISION.

OKAY. THE SIGN. LETTER. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.

STAY WARM. HOPEFULLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT.

I'LL BE BY, LIKE, AFTER 30 DAYS. OKAY. I TOLD YOU, YOU CAN COME.

YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH WORK. TOO MUCH WORK. I DON'T MIND YOU COMING. FROM.

MY. BUT. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF YOU. YEAH. AND YOU'RE LIKE, I DID A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. WELL, THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM THE PROSECUTOR AND JUDGE.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THOROUGH? EXACTLY WHAT DID YOU DO, SIR? YES, SIR. THAT'S ALL I'M DOING. I'M A PORTER.

OH, MY GOD, YOU'RE GOOD. I FEEL GOOD NOW. FROZEN. HOLY CRAP, I'M SWEATING OVER HERE.

GLENN, CAN YOU TURN THE HEAT UP? AND I'M LIKE, NO, BUT I DID.

IT'S COLDER DOWN THERE. I'M FREEZING. YOU MUST BE SITTING.

YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME WHEN YOU TURN.

HE SAID HIS COAT FOR A FEW MINUTES. IT'S NOT COLD.

WARM FOR A FEW MINUTES. AND I WAS LIKE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GOING TO HAVE TO SWITCH.

AND THEN. AND THEN IT CUT OFF AND IT GOT COLD RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. GLENN.

PULL IT OPEN. USE THE UP ARROW. UP ARROW. UP ARROW.

ONE, TWO. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THAT. HOLY CRAP. THE SUN'S GETTING ON THAT SNOW AND IT WAS MELTING.

OH, IS IT LEAKING DOWN THAT WALL? OKAY. OH, SHIT.

SO IT'S SITTING ON THERE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SWITCH FOR NEXT MEETING SO YOU DON'T GET SO COLD.

YOU DAGGONE FLORIDA BLOOD. IT'S GOTTEN YOU NOW.

FLORIDA NEXT WEEK. HEY, GLENN. SO WE'RE WE'RE STILL RECORDING.

YEP. I TURNED MY BUTTON OFF. IT STILL RECORDS, THOUGH, SO.

YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT RECORDING? YES. I THOUGHT WE TURNED IT OFF.

OH, THAT WAS FUN. THAT WAS INTERESTING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.